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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight.
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
Today's entry for Truth or Troll comes from President Trump
speaking in the Oval Office about the Golden Dome in
what other country wants to be a part of it?

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Canada has called us and they want to be a
part of it, so we'll be talking to them. They
want to have protection also, so as usual, we help.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Canada who the best we can.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
They come crawling back, Jeff, Mike, I gotta tell you,
you know, Trump's the best. I just I gotta say it, man,
He's just the absolute best. Look. I think he's I
don't think he's trolling. I think he's serious. I think
the Canadians do want to get in under that Golden

(01:16):
Dome our missile defense shield. And if I'm Trump, I
turn around and say twenty five percent. So when he
says per usual, does he mean to slight them. Yeah, yeah,
what do you think per usual? Here they are freeloading
off of us, but we're the bad guy. Great job, Mike. Okay,

(01:37):
let me ask you, is President Trump is he trolling
the Canadians? Is he needling them a little bit? Or
is he just saying the truth. There they are with
their handout saying could you give us that protection for free? Please?

(01:57):
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(02:22):
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And is in National R John in Dunstable. Thanks for
holding John and welcome.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Hi, Jeff. Thanks for taking the call, Jeff. They've been
pushing child sex, gay sex on the country, in the
world for the last four years. Epstein's girlfriend knows everything, Jeff.
She should be given immunity, taken out of prison and

(03:24):
do a tell all. She's the one that brought all
the girls and she knows everybody that went there, and
she could tell us all. Now, if Cash could tell
and Bongino saw something in the files, why aren't they
shown it, Jeff. Why aren't they shown the people what

(03:45):
they saw in the FBI files that proves that he
killed himself. There's no way that they can tell that
that guy off himself. There's no way, Jeff. They weren't there.
I mean, they can put down whatever they want, they
can say whatever they want. Epstein. It's not his first

(04:06):
time that he was in the can, Jeff. He was
in the can before. And it's not like he was
a scared, a scared little camper out in the middle
of the woods, you know, not knowing if the boogey
man was going to get them. So I believe, Jeff
that they're corrupt. I'll tell you Jeff, I've said it

(04:29):
to you before. I think I think it's too far gone.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Jeff.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
I don't think. I think I really don't think anything's
going to happen. I mean, Bondy never never, you know,
she promised to show us the Epstein files. You get
the Kennedys. You know, they don't want to know who
really shot you know, their family member. I mean, this
is sick, Jeff. This is sick. And the only way

(04:57):
I mean you talked a little bit about, you know,
we want to clean the country up. We were trying
to clean the country up with Doge. You don't even
hear anything about it anymore, Jeff. Because the people that
would have saved money for themselves by cleaning the waste
and the frauduct were protested on the street. That just

(05:20):
shows you the mentality of a lot of people in
this country. And I'm disgusted. I'm disgusted with the government,
and we are at war with the government. And I've
said it before the Jeff, and I'm telling you again
there's only one way this is being taken down, and

(05:42):
that's if the people take it down. Because because it's
frightening how sick these people are Jeff.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Well, John, I think you nailed it. And to me,
the operative word is sick and Epstein was a sick, twisted, evil,
to me, diabolical, demonic man. And it's obvious he was.
Look he oversaw the most infamous pedophile ring maybe in
human history. Okay, certainly in the twenty first century. That

(06:15):
there's no question. And this implicated not you know, one
or two or three, hundreds, hundreds of the wealthiest, most
powerful people in the United States and around the world,
that there's no question about it. And you know you
nailed to John. We're never going to get the truth.

(06:36):
Jelaane Maxwell is sitting in prison. She hasn't coughed up
one name, and I think it's obvious she knows. She
coughs up one name, she's dead. She's going to be
quote unquote suicided. She'll be quote found hanging from her
cell and they'll have removed the cellmate conveniently that evening
and the cameras are mysteriously all not going to work,

(06:58):
and the two security guards are going to be falling asleep.
I mean, it's going to be the same stick, you know,
And then they'll come out and say, oh, I looked
at the file. Oh she killed herself. I mean, it's
the same garbage. So that's why she hasn't revealed a
single name that now just to show you, look, this
is the problem I have. James Comey's daughter. Six one

(07:23):
seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight is the number. Okay,
let me ask you. It is the Kooner Country Pole
Question of the Day sponsored by Mario's Marios Siding, Roofing
and Windows. Do you trust cash Patel? I mean, we

(07:45):
can throw in Dan Bongino as well, since he's his deputy,
but let's just keep it very simple. Do you after
what he just said, both about the suicide of Jeffrey Epstein,
that he killed him self and that he says it's
one thousand percent and at least in public, they're saying

(08:05):
they're closing the investigation, and that if you say he
was murdered, it's a crazy conspiracy theory. So do you
try And now that they're saying Butler July thirteenth, the
assassination attempting Butler on Trump, that there's no there there,
that there was nobody and on the inside, nobody turned

(08:27):
the blind eye. Nobody was working with Thomas crooks, they
found no serious breakdown in security. That leads them to
question how Thomas Crooks so easily was able to get,
you know, fire off eight shots and get the four
hundred and fifty feet of the president on a roof
that know that there's no there. You know, there's there's

(08:50):
nothing to see there, there's no there there. And so
my question to you after these two shocking, shocking statements
and conclusions and by the way, all ok, you know,
reinforced and okayed by by Dan Bongino. So it's Dan

(09:13):
and by Cash or now they're they're closing ranks. But
let's just stick to Cash Patel because he's the top guy.
He's the FBI director. Do you now, do you still
trust or do you trust Cash Patel? A? Yes, B No.
I'm gonna be brutally honest with you. The answer for

(09:33):
me is no. I don't believe them. And if I
don't believe you, I don't trust you. And to me,
trust is everything. But that's me I want to hear
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(09:54):
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is in national Er and let me just throw one
other quick log on the fire. If you don't trust
Cash batel and, I guess by extension you no longer
trust Dan Bongino. Is it time for new leadership? Is

(10:21):
it time for them to resign and step down? Or
are you still willing to give them a chance? Six
one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight Denise
in Beverly. Thanks for holding Denise and welcome.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
Yep, how you been very good?

Speaker 1 (10:39):
How are you Denise?

Speaker 5 (10:41):
Oh my god? You know, Jeff, I just have to
say this. I have a couple of things I want
to say. First of all, I can't when my son.
You know, my son's been to that prison. Okay, he's
been there. And when he heard the cash battel and
Gugino said that he didn't kill himself. Well he believed me.

(11:03):
He did kill himself. My son said that that prison
it is so much corruption, that the drug the drugs
are more accessible there, and he said they're more accessible
than on the street. The female correctional officers are eliciting sex,

(11:23):
bringing drugs in all the correctional officers that work there,
they're from the local areas in New York, from the projects,
from Brooklyn, and they just sink, just guys from the
hood that are fortunate and stayed out of trouble. Now,
he told me that the bunk beds are so low,
you know, you they're so low each other, you know

(11:43):
what I mean. Like the first bunk and in Epstein
was over six feet tall. There's no way he could
have hung himself on that on the on the on
that bed post. There's no way his knees would have
just hung on the floor. Someone had to help him
hang himself. My son actually found someone hanging and sell
at one place and both in his shelley next door

(12:10):
found him in a cell. And those bunkers are so
low to the ground that there's no way that he
could have hunt himself. I mean, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Well, you know, Denise, it's funny you should mention that,
because that's exactly what the Epstein family sang. They're saying,
we've done it over and over and over again, and
exactly what you said. The beds are too low. Epstein was,
you know, six feet maybe even a little bit more
than six feet. They said, it's impossible. Then you know

(12:39):
he was one hundred and eighty five pounds. They said, well,
we tried it with the exact same bed sheets. The
bed sheets there, so and look, to me, you can leave.
You know, all of that is important. But to me,
this is the hammer. This is to me, the bombshell
is when you have one of the worlds leading forensic

(12:59):
pathologists who has done what a thousand prison hangings, come
out and say, look, I'm telling you, I've never seen
this in my life. The bones that were broken in
his neck could not be caused. It's medically physically impossible
to be caused by a hanging. You could only break

(13:19):
those bones. He called it homicidal strangulation, i e. Somebody
strangled them, We're going to murder them. So look, that's
what I mean. So when they say, well I've looked
at the whole file, Okay, well what did the file say?
What did the file disclose? And say that made you
change your mind? They don't want to say it. Furthermore,

(13:41):
I can read a file. You can read a file.
To me, the question is who wrote the file, who
generated the file? Just because a file says something doesn't
mean you just take it at phase value. Look again,
I don't want to keep plugging Grace's column, and really
it's an outstanding column. Really, I'm merging all of you.
Go to Wrko slash Kooner kuh and is a national er.

(14:04):
She lays it out in less than seven hundred words,
I mean beautifully. Questions on death of Epstein remain. She
lays it all out, and what you know, and our
point is why did we why would we? Why did
we cheer Cash Petel being nominated and appointed as FBI
director and Dan Bongino is his deputy because we thought

(14:25):
these are people who think for themselves, who have critical thinking,
who are independent, patriotic, brave, courageous. I'm not saying they're not.
I'm saying that we thought they had a certain character
and skill set that if they got a bull and
I almost said it, a bull crap file, Okay, a

(14:47):
Bravo Sierra, a BS file, they'd be nah, nah no,
I don't know. I'm not buying it. I don't care.
What it says in here just doesn't make sense. And instead,
for whatever reason, now many of you are saying, Jeff,
it's it's a distraction. It's a ploy. They really are

(15:10):
going to continue to look into this. They're just trying
to get everybody's to get to lower their guards, put
their guard down. I hope so. But for whatever reason,
they have now decided to publicly close the investigation and
to now claim on the record that the initial deep
state FBI narrative was true that Epstein committed suicide, which frankly,

(15:35):
almost nobody believes. And Denise what many people are saying
on social media and in a text line and in
my emails, Jeff, I don't even think Cash Patel and
Dan Bongino believe Cash Patel and Dan Bongino. They don't

(15:56):
even I don't even think they believe their own words.
So so either they're lying to try to drop somebody,
or they were told to lie and now they're walking
the plank. Either way, I think the credibility has been damaged.
Final word to you, Denise, I.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
Think they should do something about this. I don't believe
this about cast Hotel and Jan Bongino. I thought they
were honest people and everything. I just there's no way
in hell that he killed himself. There's no way. I know,
there's no way, no way, everything that I've been to
with these prison stuff and everything with my son before
you know, he's out now he's doing great. But I'll

(16:35):
tell you something, there's no way he killed himself.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Well, and Denise, you're right. And on top of that,
I mean you we could keep going and going. But
he's going around telling everybody and his grandmother. I'm talking
Epstein now saying if I die, he wasn't a suicide.
And he's literally out of his own account. He's paying cellmates.
You know, he's like, give me your account number, and
he's dropping tons of cant saying please protect me, Please

(17:02):
keep your eyes on me the whole time. Please don't
leave me alone. So does this look to you like
a guy that wants to commit suicide?

Speaker 6 (17:11):
You said, Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
People don't believe it. Well, I mean, listen, they have
a right to their opinion. But as someone who has
worked as a public defender, as a prosecutor, who's been
in that prison system, who's been in the Metropolitan Detention Center,
who's been in segregated housing, you know a suicide when
you see one, and that's.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
What that was.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
They killed himself again.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
You want me to I've seen the whole file. He
killed himself. So that was FBI Director Cash Patel and
Deputy FBI Director Dan Bongino. They were interviewed by Maria Bartiromo.
It aired on Sunday on Fox. They're saying, Jeffrey Epstein,
it was a suicide. Now you know my position. I

(17:58):
don't believe them. I don't know why they're not telling
us the truth. But for whatever reason, they're not telling
us the truth. But that's me. I want to hear
from you. Six one seven two six six sixty eight.
Sixty eight is the number Jeff Kooner here on the
Great WRKO. This is from Grams on messenger. Jeff. I

(18:20):
agree with those that say it's a distraction. This is
outside of their character. Dan Bongino wouldn't betray us. I
think he's just trying to make them feel comfortable so
they think they're not investigating them so they can get
all of the information. I truly hope you're right Grams again,

(18:44):
as I like to say, from your lips to God's ears.
So hopefully this is just a ruse whereby yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we're not investigating. The case is closed. Of course, he
killed himself.

Speaker 7 (18:57):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
So the FBI thinks, Okay, we got them, hooho, you
know we the deep State says, oh, we snook at them. Okay,
let's move on, and they're gonna spring a trap. I
hope you're right, ough something tells me I don't think so.
I'd look at them and I'm like, they're scared. You

(19:20):
can see it in their face. You can see it
in their eyes. They're towing the line and they're parroting
the deep state narrative, and they look to me like
they've been threatened. I don't I don't have any inside information.
I'm just speaking from the gut. I could be wrong,
just my opinion, but I think on this one, I
think they blinked. But that's me. I want to hear

(19:43):
from you. Six one seven two six six sixty eight
sixty eight Jeff in the Great State of Ohio. Thanks
for holding, Jeff, and welcome.

Speaker 7 (19:57):
Quick Crepple said Jashians. I'm not running your show, but
if you get Mike played like John lynnon It's a
Strange Day, Indeed, Mama soundtrack, and I wish I would
love for you to get Laura Lumer on for an interview.
She is on fire, and.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
I mean, Jeff, I gotta say, I promise I'll let
you finish everything you want to say. I got to say,
Laura Lumer, lately, I agree with you. She has been
on target again and again and again. I agree with you, fire, fire, fire, No,
I'd like to get her on, Jeff, now again' it's

(20:35):
with her, you know, at least in the past it's
hit or miss. Sometimes she's on. Sometimes you're like, wooh,
where did that go? You know, where did that come from?
But I agree with you. Lately she's been killing it.
I mean, one after another. So yeah, I think she'd
be a great guest, a great interview, and I'll definitely
look into it. Jeff, please keep going.

Speaker 7 (20:58):
Okay, as far as of with k H the interview,
I don't see them putting their credibility on national TV
in or discredit something like that when they could have
just kept their mouth shut to continue the investigation. They
didn't need to do that. There's a reason for it.
And when I get done talking to you, I'm going
to go in pull up all the old podcasts and

(21:18):
stuff from Case but not Case but Tell but don Gino.
He was always talking about I've got people in the
service or telling me exactly who did this, who did that,
and we know whose fingerprint was on the bag of cocaine,
and they better come clean because I know who did
it and all this. So he's got a lot of
explaining that there. Now, Cash, I bought his book when

(21:41):
it first came out, and I'm going to read that
again tonight with fresh device and then I'll draw my conclusion.
But no, that stinks to I haven't. And you talk
about the major censorship of the world. This government has
treated us like crap, and we pay the bill. So
I'll leave it at that, Jeff, and you have a

(22:01):
great day.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Thank you, Thank you very much, Jeff, I appreciate it. Now, Look,
we've created a monster, a Frankenstein's monster, that's what we've done. Now,
it didn't happen overnight, you know, Larry and Leminster said,
you know, well, the Kennedy assassination was in what nineteen
sixty three? But this deep state, whatever you want to
call it, the shadow government, you can go on. And

(22:25):
but what I mean is the CIA, the FBI, the NSSA,
this powerful intelligence network. It's it's a leviathon. And we
have spent so much money on it, and we have
so built it up it's now on the verge of
devouring us. And as I said, I read the text earlier,

(22:47):
and it's like they always win. Their narrative always ends
up dominating, no matter who tries to control them. And
I think the answer is less government. I agree it's
time to start either completely reforming these agencies or getting
rid of them. Cut cut, cut, cut, fire fire, fire fire,

(23:10):
because you just it's incredible, and look, they're very dangerous.
People are always dying around them.

Speaker 7 (23:18):
Here.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
I got to give Trump credit. He came out, what
was this a couple days ago and he said, notice,
how many people were you know, died of suicide around
the Clintons. And it went on dozens and dozens and
dozens and dozens of people, all of whom had potentially
very damaging and criminating evidence. And Trump was basically saying,

(23:41):
connect the dots. It's impossible that that many people who
were that close to the Clintons, who could send them
to jail, all of them committed suicide, all of them.
And the deep state is in the back pocket of
the Clintons and the Bidens and the Obamas. I mean,

(24:02):
there's no question. So again, you have to ask the
question were they intimidated, were they threatened? Are they being blackmailed?
Because the cash Petel and the Dan Bongino that I'm
seeing now is and I'm not the you. This is
not an original point. This is what's caused such a

(24:23):
backlash on social media. They're like, don't you realize you're
literally reversing everything you've been saying for I don't how
many years now you have inside information. You know, people,
this was not a suicide. This could never have been
a suicide, And all of a sudden, now you guys

(24:43):
are saying the exact opposite. Something is going on. This
doesn't say something is rotten in Denmark, as Shakespeare famously said,
this does not pass the smell tests. Tina in Poundshend
Thanks for holding Tina and welcome.

Speaker 6 (25:07):
Love you love your show.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Thank you, Tom.

Speaker 6 (25:09):
I have to say Barbara is my absolute favorite Colleaguege
you have so many great callers. I wish I could
have coffee with that lady. She is the best. I
have to agree with her. I always go back to
whenever stuff happens. Trust Trump, he is in charge. I
guess my question Jeff is spending the time on wondering why.

(25:32):
And I don't even like saying his name, Jeffrey Epstein.
I don't even know why we have to even talk
about him. I feel like whether he killed himself or
whether he committed or somebody killed him, or he committed suicide.
I don't really care. What I care about Jeff is
give me the names, Pam BONDI, give us the names
and prosecute the sexual predators. That is what's important, not

(25:55):
whether he killed himself. I understand that there's questions about
Dan and Patel. I don't really know, but there are
two options. Right they're lying because they're threatened. And I
don't know anything about Patel. But as far as what
I've known from Dan Bongino, I don't know him personally,
but listening to his radio show, the motive for him

(26:15):
to lie. If he is lying, then he is his
family is being threatened. He would take a bullet for anyone,
that man. But how about if we put ourselves in
maybe their position, if we think they're not being honest.
What if this deep state, which let's face it, undoing
this deep state corruption and the evil, it's going to
take more than one hundred days. We have no idea

(26:37):
we're not in there, and so to put a Dan
Bongino and call him untrustworthy or lying if he is,
and we find out that this man's family was threatened,
You know what, Jeff, that's a pass. That's a pass
to me. And the other thing is why do an
interview with Maria Bartaroma, who I also love and lie

(27:00):
and I just there's there's a lot of questions, but
I guess the bottom line for me, Jeff is who
cares about Jeffrey Epstein. He was a predator, He was
a horrible, horrible human being, and he went to jail,
and whether he was killed or he committed suicide, I
want to know who the people were that did the

(27:21):
sexual predator. You know, who are the predators? Let's put
them in jail.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Well, no, Tina, you're right, I mean that's the all Look,
you're right. I mean personally, I don't care about Jeffrey Epstein.
I hope the guy rotsonell to me. You know, I
don't care. I mean in a sense objectively, all right,
you did us a favor, you know, like good, you
know good. But this is why it's important, Tina. The
pedophile ring that he was with that he led and

(27:48):
that he was using to blackmail people consists of the
most powerful people in our country and in the world.
We have a right to know who those people were.
And the fact that Epstein, whether he was murdered, this
is the key. If he was murdered, that means he
was murdered on their behalf to protect their names and

(28:12):
their secrets and their crimes. And that's what they're trying
to cover up. That's why this is so shocking. We
all thought. I thought, Look, I was the one that
kept saying one eight hundred Cash. I couldn't wait for
this guy to be officially appointed as FBI director, confirmed

(28:32):
he was nominated. I was waiting, come on, because the
way Cash Ptel was talking for years and his book
Government Gangster is a phenomenal book. It's almost a road
map on how to dismantle the deep state. And I said, no,
no heads are going to roll, people are going to
go to jail. I mean, this is going to be
their worst nightmare. And then to see him come around

(28:54):
and do a complete one eighty after he's been telling
us for years, and Dan Bongino been telling us for
years rightly, rightly, that Jeffrey Epstein was murdered, and he
was murdered because they were covering up his crimes and
the crimes of those that he was blackmailing and that

(29:15):
he was a part of his cabal. That to me,
is the heart of the issue. And look, this is
how insiduous it is, just to understand. I believe they've
compromised Chief Justice John Roberts. There may be more on
the Supreme Court, but they have the Chief Justice now
he's being blackmailed. I believe they have Bill Gates. I

(29:40):
believe they have Jeff Bezos. I believe they have George Soros.
I believe they have Bill Clinton. I believe they even
have Hillary Clinton. I mean, I could go on and on.
I mean, I'm just giving you name after name after name.
In other words, they controlled the Democratic Party. They probably
control the entire Republican Party. They controlled the media. There

(30:04):
is one the rumors out there about some of the
media people that went to Epstein's island and what they
were caught doing. It's a who's who. It's a who's who.
FBI directors, CIA directors, never mind world leaders, Hollywood superstars.

(30:27):
They say, well, who cares about Hollywood? They're the big
donors behind the Democratic Party and famous directors. That's why
they're mainstreaming pedophilia. That's why they keep pushing and pushing
that it's okay to have sex with children because they're
pedophiles themselves. What I'm saying is, you break open this scandal,

(30:51):
and you break open this pedophile network. I'm telling you,
I think the entire quote unquote elite of our cunt
tree comes crashing down. And maybe that's what they're afraid of.
Maybe they don't want to see the whole country burn.
I don't know, but we were promised transparency and accountability,

(31:15):
and look, we're not going to see the Epstein tapes,
the Epstein files, We're not going to see them like
we're just not. It's obvious now to me for whatever
reason Pam Bondy is refusing to release them. They're already
being redacted where it has already come out that many
of the files have been destroyed, that Pam Bondy essentially
sat back and let them allow them to be destroyed,

(31:37):
by the way Cash Betel sat back and allowed them
to be destroyed. So we're never going to find out
the truth. It's I hope I'm wrong, but that's what
it seems like to me, and I'm just sick and tired.
It's only going to get worse. None of this ends
if we don't break this thing wide open. So to me,

(31:59):
that's why this is so important. And I'm going to
get to this in about half an hour. Now they're
both telling us that July thirteen, Butler, Pennsylvania. I'll never
forget it till the day I die. I thought when
I saw that story, I called Mike, I called Sandy.

(32:19):
I said, we got to go live on the air now,
because if President Trump dies on his way to the hospital,
I think we have a civil war. I let me
be brutally honest with you, Tina, had Thomas Crooks one
millimeter blown out Trump's brains and he died that day.
Instead of that miraculous survival, I honestly believe we wouldn't

(32:43):
have a country anymore. This would go to the streets,
This would have literally torn the country apart. Now they're
telling us that this was a lone wolf who just
managed to do aerial aerial drone footage surveillance on the

(33:06):
day of the rally and a secret service innumb nobody
noticed the thing, and that even though you had people
in the crowd telling Secret Service shooter on the roof,
shooter on the roof, they still allowed Trump to take

(33:27):
the stage. He was four hundred and fifty feet away
from the president, with a Secret Service sniper forty feet
away from him, with by the way, he had a
car full of explosives full of explosives nearby as well.

(33:48):
And all of this took place under the nose of
the Secret Service. And there's no according to them, there's
no there there. They're like, no, there's no A Secret
Service wasn't implicated in this. There wasn't one agent who
And by the way, to this day, they refuse to
tell us who is Thomas Crooks, What was his ideology,

(34:10):
what was his motivation? Who is he communicating with? He
must have been talking to somebody. How about his social media?
What was he saying on the internet? Not saying it's
all been buried, all of it, all of it, And
now I'll play the cot He's like, there's no there there.
He goes, We've shut down the entire investigation. There's nothing there.

(34:34):
People are an utter disbelief. So I fear you may
be right. I think they're threatening that that's what Grace thinks.
I'll have her on at nine o'clock. Shell tell I
mean you can hear it from her. She says, no, No,
they're threatening their families. Now. To be fair, Tina, Okay,
I've said this before and I'll say it again, I'm

(34:55):
not a tough guy. I never claimed to be a
tough guy. And let me go even further than this.
I've met Don on Geno a couple of times. He's
much tougher than I am. Seriously physically, he would take
me in two seconds. He put his life and his
body on the line for three presidents. I've never put
my body on the line for anybody. So when it
comes to the tough guy category, I couldn't lick his boots.

(35:18):
Just to be fair and honest with all of you,
I've said this before. I get death threats all the time.
It doesn't bother me. But if I feared that someone
would credibly go after my wonderful wife and my two children,
who I adore, that would really bother me. If they

(35:40):
came to me in private with pictures. Here's your son
at school, here's your daughter at the playground, here's your
wife at the local Starbucks. We can take her out anytime.
We can take your kids out anytime. You still want
toff around with us, just going to tell me that
Epstein was murdered, You're still what still going to go

(36:04):
on about the Secret Service and what happened in Butler?
Or are you going to start towing the line now?
I'm telling you, Tina, I know me. I would resign.
I would resign. I wouldn't stay on the job. I
would resign. I would never lie like that. If they're

(36:24):
doing that, then they should not be lying. It's not
worth it. And I'll tell you why. I met a priest.
I mean, I knew this priest and it was several
years ago, and we had a discussion and I asked him.
I said, you know, father, I'm just curious, from a
theological point of view, what is a greater sin, a
public sin or a private sin? For example, someone cheats

(36:48):
on his spouse or her spouse. What's worse that? Which
is adult trait we're very serious? Or say I don't know,
corruption or turning a blind eye to corruption, or enabling
core option. And he said, there's no question a public
sin is much worse than a private sin. Why because
a private sin, you're sinning against one person, however horrible

(37:11):
and abominable it is. But if you do a public sin,
you're sinning against countless people. He goes, I'm telling you
it's a mortal sin. And that always, this was years ago.
That always stuck with me. I'm not going to hell
for anybody, and so, to be honest, if they blackmailed me,

(37:34):
I'm out. I'm out. I'll come out and say whatever
I got to say, but I'm like, I'm done. I'm
not going to stay. So if they are being blackmailed,
with all due respect, hand in your resignation. But if
you continue a lying on their behalf, then you become complicit.

(37:57):
So anyway, we'll see what's going to happen. I hope
they have a master plan. I hope they're trying to
outfox their enemies. But this is where I stand. Final
word to you, Tina.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Thanks Jeff.

Speaker 8 (38:10):
I'll valid what you said, I get it. I just
feel like the bottom line for me is I'm going
to trust Trump because he cannot be in the dark
on this, and these guys are not part of.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
The deep state.

Speaker 6 (38:21):
I truly believe.

Speaker 8 (38:22):
Whether they've made mistakes, whether whatever's going on, I'm not
in there. I don't know, and I'm going to trust.
I'm going to stick with Barbara. It's like you said,
it may be a ruse, but whatever it is, they are.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Oh, I hear you. They're patriots. Both of them are patriots.
I think there's no question.
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