Elon Goes Off the Rails

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, Cooner. Contrary, Okay, stunned, I'm not gonna lie
to you. Shocked, stunned, disappointed, I don't like to see this.
Those are just my initial reactions yesterday as I saw
what was unfolding practically in real time. That's what's incredible.

(00:22):
It started in the Oval Office with Trump and German
Chancellor Frederick Mert Mertz, and it just kept escalating, especially
on social media, and within twenty four hours, the historic
alliance between President Trump and Elon Musk is effectively now over.

(00:44):
It has been ruptured, it has been sundered. I don't
think they're going to put this back together again. In fact,
I can tell you this with absolute certainty. Sources within
the Trump team say the breach between the two men
is absolutely irreparable, irreparable. People close to Elon Musk say

(01:08):
they don't know how realistically you can walk any of
this back anymore. So what began as a bromance and
frankly as one of the most important partnership and alliances
in the history of American politics. And let me just
say this, because I'm gonna come after Elon hard and

(01:31):
I think he was out of line yesterday. I'm not
saying both sides don't have some blame. Yes, like in
every argument or every feud, but fundamentally, there's no question
in my mind Elon crossed the line. He crossed the
line many times. This went from a policy dispute. Remember

(01:52):
the trigger for this massive feud was the so called
big Beautiful Bill. And I thought Elon, as you know,
I was on the record about this. We had a
whole show devoted to it. We heard all sides. I
respect all sides, as you know, but my honest feeling
is on the merits of the bill. I thought Elon
had a very strong argument, there's too much pork and

(02:15):
way too much spending. Fix the bill. Well, it went
from fixing the bill, which is my position, improve the bill,
make it a better bill, to Elon waging a campaign,
a political jihad, demanding kill the bill. Where he went

(02:37):
on x urging his millions, in fact hundreds of millions
of followers, they're not all in the United States, many
around the world, but urging his followers to call their
member of Congress, to call their senator, to demand that
they sink and tank and kill the bill. Well, that's
an attack on the very essence of Trump's presidency. We're

(03:02):
not talking now about Hey, there's way too much spending.
Let's see if we can rein in some of this spending.
That's to me, my position, and I think a reasonable position. No,
it went into you want to talk about stabbing the
president in the back. He went after Trump, He went
after his big, beautiful bill. He wanted to sink it.

(03:23):
He wanted now to defeat it by defeating it. This
is Trump's presidency. There's no question now his presidency is
essentially hanging by a thread. Why because if this bill,
which is now in disarray because of this feud between
Elon Musk and Trump, Forget the feud. The bigger story

(03:44):
is can Trump now rescue his bill in the wake
of this all out a political this all out, a political,
heavyweight showdown between these two men, and the damage it's

(04:04):
done long term. I believe to the MAGA movement, you
now have deeply divided camps, people seriously hating one another now.
And I don't think it's the only people that love
this are the Democrats, the media, and the Rhinos. They
are loving this because this is what they wanted. They

(04:27):
wanted Musk and Trump at each other's throats. But when
everything is said and done, it was Musk that called
for the bill to be killed. Trump went to the
Oval Office meeting with Chancellor mer Mertz, the German Chancellor,
and was asked about you know, Elon, and not just
as criticisms of the bill. He's saying, the whole thing's

(04:48):
gotta go. Now, well, if this bill doesn't pass, you're
talking about four point five trillion dollars in massive tax
increases on everybody. Our taxes are going to go through
the roof. It is going to drive the economy into
a recession. Everything that Trump promised and campaigned on is

(05:10):
in essence in the bill. Extending making permanent the tax cuts,
it's in the bill. No taxes on tips in the bill.
No taxes on overtime in the bill. Massive support for
the wall, for border security, hiring border patrol agents, thousands

(05:30):
of them, for these mass deportations, it's in the bill.
Rebuilding our military, it's in the bill. So everything that
Trump said he was going to achieve for the golden
era of MAGA and his presidency is in this bill.
This bill goes down in flames. Trump's presidency now is

(05:52):
imploding in front of our eyes. So of course Trump
is now going to come out against Elon and hit
him and hit him hard. But I want to say
this about Elon because this needs to be said to
be fair to him. He campaigned for Donald Trump. He
put his personal fortune at stake. He literally spent hundreds

(06:16):
and hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in very
key battleground states frankly like Pennsylvania that I believe helped
Trump win the election. He restored freedom of speech on
x which was crucial to countering the lies and propaganda

(06:38):
from the fake news media. So he went in with DOGE,
and I thought the work that he did at Doge
was absolutely incredible. The corruption, the waste, the fraud, the
abuse that he uncovered, my god, Big government will never recover,

(07:00):
the swamp will never recover if they can follow up
on everything that he exposed. So I'm not going to
stand there and say that this man is not a
great businessman. He is. He's not a great American, he's
not a great entrepreneur. He wasn't an incredible ally of
Donald Trump's. He was. But now, in a sense, that's

(07:22):
all water under the bridge. When Trump blasted Elon at
that Oval Office presser where he said that Elon was
attacking him because Trump took out the tax credits for
electrical vehicles and solar panels, which is in many ways

(07:44):
now the bread and butter of Tesla, Tesla, their batteries,
their solar panels, they get billions of dollars in subsidies
government money. Trump said, the reason why Elon opposed the
bill was because we were taking out all of these subsidies. Now,
I'll be honest with you, I don't buy that argument.

(08:06):
I don't because Elon has lost so much money. I
mean a fortune, tens and tens and tens of billions
of dollars. Look at what happened to the stock of
his companies. Look at the personal risk he's taken, death
threat after death threat after death threat, for everything he's
done for Doge, I honestly believe no. He thinks it's

(08:30):
too much pork. And then he responded in real time
to Trump saying, Okay, fine, don't put in you know,
the EV credits. If that's fine, I don't care, Fine
take it away. But he said, get rid of the
mountain of pork. So okay, that was fine. It's still
on a policy level. Trump. The encounters in the Oval

(08:54):
Office presser with Elon now I believe is suffering from
Trump arrangements in because now he's going to kill the bill.
Now he doesn't want to just fine, we have disagreements
about the bill, but now you're talking about literally sinking
and defeating my signature legislation, which is the central underpinning

(09:17):
of my presidency. Well, now you're stabbing me in the back.
And that's when Trump said, I believe Elon now suffers
from Trump derangement syndrome. Elon at that point went absolutely ballistic. Hell,
he went nuclear, and that's where I believe he crossed

(09:41):
the line. He came out and then said that Trump
was being ungrateful in gratitude. According to Elon, Elon says
he won the election for Trump, that without Elon, Trump
would have lost the election, that the Democrats would still

(10:02):
be in control of Congress, and that in particular, Pennsylvania
would have gone to Kamala if it wasn't for Elon.
So now he's almost acting like I'm the king maker,
I made you, I got you elected, which I don't
think is true. He was very important. Yes, Trump won

(10:25):
in twenty sixteen, without him, he was always leading in
the polls. No one's gonna tell me that after that
debaccle with Joe Biden and Kamala you know, missus word
salad and the you know, a drinky, drinky drinky, that
somehow Trump couldn't beat her on his own. I don't
believe that. So you've got Elon now saying no, no, no, no,

(10:50):
I made you. I made you president of the United States.
I gave you a Republican House, I gave you majorities
in the Senate, basically saying I made him. Then he
escalated to the point that it's time now to create
a new political party, a party that he says, again,

(11:13):
I'm just going by what he said on X yesterday,
a new political party that will represent the eighty percent
of people in the middle. So now he's saying, let's
destroy the MAGA movement, let's splinter the entire Republican Party,
and let's defect and break away from MAGA, with essentially

(11:38):
Elon as the kingmaker as the leader. But it got worse.
Elon then said it's time to impeach President Trump. Now,
impeach him over what? Impeach him over what? Cut and Congress.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Wanted to cut it. It became a little bit different,
and I can understand it. But he knew every aspect
of this bill. He knew it better than almost anybody,
and he never had a problem until right after he left.
And if you saw these savans he made about me,
which I'm sure you can get for easily, it's very
fresh on tape. He said the most beautiful things about me,

(12:16):
and he hasn't said bad about me personally, but I'm
sure that'll be next. But I'm I'm very disappointed in Elan.
I've helped Elon a lot.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
That of course, was President Trump yesterday at his highly
very high charged press conference with German Chancellor Frederick or
Friedrich Mertz, talking about Elon and almost on cue. That's
when the personal insults from Elon on social media started flying,
and I mean flying. Six nineteen on the Great WRKO

(12:50):
Jeff Cooner Boston's bulldozer six one seven two six six
sixty eight sixty eight is the number. Okay, So Elon,
just to clarify, Elon goes to social media on X
and says, here's a bomb I'm gonna drop, okay, And

(13:12):
what he says is Trump is in the Epstein files,
and that's why they have not been released. Have a
nice day DJT Donald J. Trump. He then follows that
up very quickly with mark this post, in other words,

(13:36):
I'll be vindicated in the future. Now. Then what he
did was after he released this, he then sent out
an old video. This is a nineteen ninety two video.
I think MSNBC or NBC was actually even filming it

(13:56):
at the time. It was one of these parties that
Epstein through. This was in Palm Beach, Florida. Trump was there,
others were there with NFL cheerleaders, and he's saying, you see,
like basically it's trying to betrust his accusation. Well, you say,
look that, look at him partying there with Epstein. Look

(14:19):
at these NFL cheerleaders. Well, number one, this was in
nineteen ninety two. This tape has been around for twenty
five years, literally twenty five years, and clearly every NFL
cheerleader and they're just dancing on the dance floor. Is
it's an adult I mean they're all twenty five, twenty six,
twenty seven, twenty eight, Well whatever, they're way in their twenties.

(14:43):
This is not the Epstein files. This is not what
happened on Epstein Island, in other words, what he did.
And this is why I say, and I'm choosing my
words very carefully. To me, this is treason. It's treason
to country, it's treason to Trump, it's treason to Maga,

(15:05):
it's treason to the voters. You don't make an and
it's a lie. You don't make an explosive allegation like this. Essentially,
as I said on X, he's basically saying Donald Trump
is a pedophile. In other words, yeah, he was doing

(15:26):
underage girls at Epstein's famous island. If he's in the
Epstein files. The people in the Epstein files are the
ones who were with underage either girls or boys or
even children. So I don't know if he's accusing him
of being a child sex molester or sex predder, but

(15:47):
he's clearly saying no, no, he was with underage girls
at Epstein Island. And that's why these files aren't being released.
You don't have the evidence to say that. There's no proof,
there's no proof whatsoever. It's akin to And this is

(16:08):
what I told my wonderful wife last night, and she's
not happy with either of them. If you want to
know the truth. She thinks this whole thing is bad
for the movement, bad for the country. She wishes they
would patch things up for the good of the country.
I don't know if they can after this, to be honest,
but my point is, you don't accuse the president of

(16:29):
the United States, especially someone like Elon Musk, of engaging
as a child as a sex predator, Let's put it
this way, as a sex predator on Epstein Island with
no evidence or proof whatsoever. That is akin to when

(16:50):
women falsely accuse a man of rape. Rape is a
very serious thing, one of the most serious things in
the world. You don't just cavalierly start accusing someone of
having raped you unless you unless the person a raped
you and b you have the evidence. So he was
completely out of line. To me. It's it's almost unforgivable

(17:12):
if you want to know the truth. Now. Furthermore, on
top of all of this, you're now calling for Trump
to be impeached. You're calling now for a new political party.
You're calling now for an all out political revolt and
rebellion against President Trump and his entire administration. As I

(17:38):
said on X but you were fine with him until
just literally until just last Friday, one week ago, when
he stood there in the Oval office with his black eye.
If you remember that, Elon had a black eye. And
he's standing and Trump is thanking him for everything he
did and praising him, and Elon says, oh, no, you're great,
and Trump's like, no, no, you're great, No, no, you're great. Well,

(18:00):
you're even greater than So it was a love fest,
a Swedish love fest, just a week ago. And now
all of a sudden, President Trump is a you know,
he's he's in't the kids or isn't the underage girls?
And he's being blackmailed now. As I said on X,

(18:20):
and I want to repeat it, here is the question
that Elon Musk cannot answer. He must answer, he won't
because he can't. If according to you, Trump is in
the Epstein files, and you knew he was in the
Epstein files, then why did you stay silent for the

(18:43):
entire time that you were working for his administration? A doge,
I'm just going by your logic, Elon, by what you said.
If this guy is diddling underage girls, and you say
it's there in the files, so you knew about this,
what you were silent? I won by his logic. So

(19:06):
what you were part of the cover up? You were
going to cover all this up for the President of
the United States just to get doatch cuts. So if
he was this monster that you now claim he is,
why did you say nothing? Why did you enable him?
Why did you say Why did you then cover it up?

(19:26):
Because you were you loved him until last Friday. You
guys went to ballgames together. You guys went to UFC
events together. You guys were I mean constantly talking about how,
you know, doing interviews, how this guy is great. No,
you're greater than I am. No, you're the greatest person. No,
you're the greatest person. The reason he's never seen the files.

(19:50):
He's lying. He's lying, He's a liar. He got vicious,
He went for the low blow. He went for Trump's throat.
He got dirty. He said, Yeah, you're gonna say, I'm
you know, I suffer from trump to arrangement syndrome. Bang,
I'm gonna hit you right right in right, you know,

(20:11):
right in the you know where, right underneath the belt. Okay,
a couple of Let me just finish what I wanted
to say just before the break, and then I want
to go to the phone lines. Mike and I were
just talking and Mike made a really, really good point.
He said, it's it's almost funny. If it wasn't so
sad and so bad for the country, it would almost

(20:33):
be funny. He said. It went within four days or
five days, it went from Trump is this greatest guy ever?
This was This is Elon now talking about Trump in
the Oval Office. He's the greatest guy ever. Two. Yeah,
I'm not a big fan of the big beautiful bill

(20:56):
to Trump's a pedophile, Like what what? What? Now? Let
me just say one last thing and then I want
to go right to the phone lines, and honestly, today's show,
I really want to devote it to you, the listeners,
the callers, because I want everybody to weigh in and

(21:16):
I want everybody to get their point of view across. Look, obviously,
I'm hitting Elon hard because I think he crossed certain lines.
He made some vicious, vicious personal attacks that I don't
think he's going to be able to walk back, and
he's going to give the left and the Democrats ammunition
now for weeks, if not months to come. The accusation

(21:40):
about him being in the Epstein files is to me
almost unfrankly, it's almost unforgivable when you start saying the
president is you know, a pedophile or you know, was
diddling underage girls. Ay, yeah, yeah, that's defamation, my friend,
that's defamation. Now if this is true, and that's why

(22:03):
there's many Look, there's no proof, there's no evidence. Why
didn't he say anything? But to me, the checkmate argument is,
you mean to tell me that you want us to
believe that Trump is in the Epstein files and that
the Democrats knew about this. The deep state knew about

(22:25):
this for over a decade and never released it to
the public, which this would have destroyed Trump. I don't
care when you're now into underage girl, that's what he's
accusing him of. When you know, if you're into underage girls,
you're finished, you're finished, you're done, you're cooked. I don't

(22:47):
care who you are. So you're gonna tell me that
they had this blackmail compremand as the Russians put it,
this devastating information, and the Democrats have been sitting on
it for ten years and they never released it but
instead had to go on with the Remember the Russian

(23:08):
ped dosier, you know, the Golden showers at this hotel
in Russia, and they had to make up all sorts
of stuff, so they went with the bogus Russian ped Dosier.
But they didn't release the Epstein or at least this
aspect of the Epstein files. Come on, come on, I'm sorry.
You're on drugs. You're on drugs, and your big bombshell

(23:33):
is a nineteen ninety two video of Donald Trump with
Epstein and pomp Beach, Florida with you know, twenty five
twenty seven twenty eight year old NFL cheerleaders dancing at
a nightclub. This is your smoking gun. You're on drugs.

(23:55):
Something is seriously wrong. Now, let me just ask all
of you two questions. I want to go right to
the phone lines, and again I want to stress this.
If you think Elon is right, and you side with Elon,
I want to hear from you. If you think Trump
made big mistakes in the way he handled Elon, I

(24:16):
want to hear from you. You know where I stand.
That's my opinion, but I want to hear from everybody
in Kooner country. So I really want the audience to
weigh in. Let me just ask all of you two questions.
One do you agree with Elon Musk that he essentially
won the election for Donald Trump. That if it wasn't

(24:38):
for Elon, you know, the kingmaker, Trump would not have
beaten Kamala Harris and the Democrats would still be controlling
the House. And that by denying that Elon was instrumental
in winning Michigan, in winning Pennsylvania, in winning Wisconsin, in
winning Georgia, that Trump being an ingrate as Trump as

(25:02):
must put it yesterday, the ingratitude, did Elon win the
election for Trump? I say absolutely not. He was great.
He played an important role, no question. I don't think
he's some kingmaker. But that's me. I want to hear
from you. And number two accusing Trump of being in

(25:23):
the Epstein files, in fact, saying he's in the Epstein files,
calling for Trump's impeachment, calling for a new political party,
saying that the Big Beautiful Bill must be killed, and
urging a Republican revolt against Trump and his entire administration.

(25:45):
In fact, as Elon said on on X, he goes
to every Republican there are now two sides, and you
must choose Trump or me. And he said, I want
everybody to remember Trump is only going to be around
for another I'm quoting verbatim, now three point five years.

(26:08):
I will be around for forty years plus. So choose wisely?
Has Elon stabbed Trump in the back and did he
cross the line? I say yes? What say you? Six

(26:30):
one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight? Okay, Mike,
let's release the hounds. Steve in Houston, you're gonna kick
us off. Steve, thanks for holding and welcome.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Hey Jeff, how you doing this morning?

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Good? Good?

Speaker 3 (26:46):
How are you all right?

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Well, I think Elon and a bunch of other people added,
you know, help Trump get elected. But I don't think
there was one single person that you don't can claim
that they just did it else But uh, as far
as Trump being on the Epstein list, he stole my
thunder And yeah, we know for a fact that if

(27:09):
the Democrats and the media had anything on him, they
would have used it a long time ago. And it's
it's so I kind of want your opinion on this,
because seventy percent of me says that it's a rap.
We're never going to see the Epsteine client list. But

(27:29):
the other thirty percent says that if you were building
cases on people that had the means to flee, would
you arrest one by one or would you build cases
on all of them and drop the indictments at the
same time.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Well, Steve, to be honest, I don't Again, I think
where everyone's overthinking the Epstein files. Remember Trump promised that
he would release him. He ordered Pambondi and Cash Pattel
to release them. There for what reason, they're still sitting
on them. We don't need the evidence released. What we

(28:06):
just want is the client list. That's all we want.
We have extradition treaties with almost every country in the world.
The fact that they're just on that list would destroy
these individuals. We don't I mean, I know people want
to you know, I want this person to go to
jail or that person to go to jail. Yes, of course,

(28:27):
I'm I always want criminals to be held accountable. But
we want the individuals to be named, officially named. Now
we know Bill Clinton is on that list, but we
wanted official Bill Gates, we wanted official There are many
powerful people on that list. That list needs to come out,

(28:49):
and they're sitting on the list. And I don't know why.
I just I have my theory, but I don't know why, Steve,
thank you very much for that call. How much time left? Mike? Okay,
this is from Larry On messenger. Jeff, if you had
a hint of Trump being a pedophile, would you let

(29:12):
Ava or Ashton in the same vicinity of him? Yet
Elon let his son be with Trump multiple times? All right, well,
instead of the big beautiful bill, it's now the big
beautiful breakup. The bromance is certainly over between Donald Trump
and Elon Musk. They are now at each other's throats.

(29:36):
President Trump yesterday, after being viciously attacked by Elon, who
essentially accused him of being a pedophile who should be impeached,
Trump now has come out and said, you know, you
want us to save money, you want us to cut spending. Well,
as Trump put it, maybe we can look into the
billions and billions of dollars that your companies get from

(30:00):
from either direct government contracts or subsidies. So Trump is
now essentially threatening to cut off the government spigot and
the billions of dollars in contracts and government subsidies that
flow to Tesla and other companies. So, in other words,

(30:20):
he's basically telling Elon, yeah, now you're you got a
big mouth. You want to run your mouth. It's this
is gonna cost you a lot of money. I'm gonna
hit you financially where it really hurts, right in the pocket.
Uh So, this thing is just getting worse. It's getting
uglier and uglier almost by the second. Six one seven

(30:42):
two six six sixty eight sixty eight is the number. Okay,
let me ask all of you who are you most
upset with in this feud, this rupturing of this alliance?
Are you mad at both of them? Are you more
mad at Trump? Are you more mad at Elon? You
know where I stand. Many of you are saying, at

(31:06):
least in the text line, Jeff, you're being too hard
on Elon that Trump bears some responsibility, especially when he
began going after Elon for suffering from Trump to arrangement syndrome.
Because it was really when Trump at that Oval Office
presser yesterday with the German Chancellor, it's when he started

(31:27):
to say I think Elon suffers from Trump to arrangement syndrome.
That's when Elon went nuclear. That's when Elon went personal.
So it's it's just it was you could see it
escalating in real time. So I'm just curious. As many

(31:48):
of you said, Jeff, it was Trump who initially attacked
Elon's motives about the EV subsidies, the EV credits being
taken out of the bill. That's why Elon was so upset.
And then of course after that, he went on about
him being, you know, a victim of TDS, and that's
when Elon just went nuts, I mean absolutely nuts. Now,

(32:10):
the accusation that Trump is in the Epstein files, do
you think there's that Elon has any evidence, any serious
knowledge or is he just being utterly vicious and nasty
and in all honesty? Grace and I were talking about
this last night. Should Trump sue for defamation? You know, Grace,

(32:35):
I'm show prepping and she comes into the bedroom and
she says, you know, I got to ask you, Jeff,
because she's following all this and she's watching the the
you know, the TV talkies and cable news. If someone
accused you or me of being you know, a pedophile
or you know, having diddled underage girls or underage boys,

(32:57):
what would your reaction be? And honestly, my reaction would be,
see you in court. You're a liar. You just defamed me.
See you in court. And by the way, Elon, your
fortune is now mine? Am I wrong? I'm just I

(33:19):
want to hear from you. Should Trump sue for defamation?
And now ultimately with this explosive and by the way,
the left is running wild with this. They are now
suddenly now Elon is their hero again. They went from
burning Tesla's and Tesla dealerships and having him be public

(33:39):
enemy number one to now they're all praising Elon. They
love Elon, and that's led to some people openly saying
is this all calculated on Elon's part? Did he want
this open fight and feud with Trump so the liberals
could love him again? And they start buying Tesla's and
electric vehicles? So should Pam bon be and cash Ptel

(34:07):
categorically come out and say that Trump is not in
the Epstein files to put this accusation to rest. So
there's a lot to chew on six one seven two,
six six, sixty eight sixty eight, But fundamentally Trump versus Elon?
Are you with Trump or are you with Elon? Linda

(34:29):
in Metford, Thanks for holding Linda, and welcome.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
A few years ago I did come across an item
that said that Trump had gone to Epstein Island with
his own plane and with his entourage. After a short time,
and of course we know that Trump doesn't drink, he
said to one of his entourage, people, these girls are

(34:54):
getting younger and younger. Let's get out of here. And
they packed up and left.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Interesting.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Yeah, that was the only thing that I that I've
ever read about Trump in association with that with And
the thing is, because they traveled in similar circles in
New York, it wouldn't be surprising if he was, you know,
told to come one down.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Now, Linda, what do you what do you make of
the fact that Musk has now come out and said
he's in the Epstein files and this is why they're
not releasing them. He said. The reason why they're not
releasing them is because they've got very damaging and criminating
you know, uh information or evidence on Trump. And that's

(35:47):
why the files, he says, haven't been released and will
never be released. In other words, Trump is dirty. That's
what Elon is now saying. Trump is dirty. Trump is
a sexual predator, and they have them on tape or
with eyewitnesses or photographs or whatever. And he was there,
He's in the files. That's why they're sitting on him,

(36:08):
That's why they will never come out. Was that do you?
I mean, what do you make of it? And you know,
is that crossing the line? I think it is. But
what say you.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Thing the line? And why did Trump campaign on releasing
the Epstein files? Its kind of doesn't It just doesn't
add up. But I don't understand why Musk is doing this.
Did his He was always gnome, but not to the

(36:42):
world the way he is now. And I can't get
over that he's turning his back like this.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Well, he's burning every bridge now with Trump and with
the administration, and he's basically now become a never Trumper.
And I'll tell you, Linda, I will tell you exactly
what I said on X last night. I said, he's
now joining the ranks of Liz Cheney and Adam Kinsinger

(37:11):
and Chris Christy and Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton and
AOC and Robert de Niro and Rosie O'Donnell. He's now
becoming this vicious never Trumper and it's a sad, miserable,
pathetic existence. And I think Elon has made the biggest

(37:32):
mistake of his life. Look to be honest, Linda, look,
if I'm not here to speak the truth, there's no
point in me being behind this microphone. There have been
numerous media reports that for the last six to nine months,
especially during the campaign, because there was so much pressure
on Elon. He's running all of these companies, he's got

(37:54):
young children, very young children, that he developed an addiction
to ketamine, which is sort of like it's used for
pain management if you have an injury. Sometimes it's used
for depression. So that he was on that he was
on ketamine, and that he began to abuse ketamine now

(38:16):
in other words, that he was on drugs, and he
didn't really address those stories. He never said no. He
always danced around these stories. I'm starting to think I'm
just being honest. I look at his reaction and I asked,
my is he on drugs? Because this is not rational.

(38:38):
He escalated it from a policy dispute with the President
of the United States, who elevated a non cabinet member
like him in a way I've never seen in modern
American history. I've never seen anything. He gave Elon the
key to the White House and he said, I want

(39:02):
to have you back again. This was just last week.
Elon sat at every cabinet meeting, he elevated Elon above
members of his own cabinet. If you remember, it got
so bad that Elon was sticking his nose in others.
He was sticking his nose in the State Department, he
was sticking his nose in the Pentagon, he was sticking

(39:24):
his nose in the Treasury department. To the point that,
you know, very powerful, the Secretary of State, the Secretary
of Defense, the Secretary of the Treasury. We're like, this
guy doesn't know his limits. He actually he's my boss.
My boss is Trump, not Elon. My point is he
gave him so much prestige and power. I don't know

(39:45):
if it went to his head, but no one treated
him better than Trump at times. And I gotta say this.
Grace said this to me last night. This is her,
not me, and She's right. I didn't like one thing
about Trump's relationship with Elon. I never liked it. When
he would introduce Elon, Trump would be sitting at his

(40:06):
desk at the Oval Office. Elon would always stand and
then Elon would talk to the room, and Trump would say,
you know, I know Elon wants to say something, and
here's the floor and the fact that the president is
sitting and this man and it's not just him, it's
he does it to others as well, but especially Elon

(40:27):
and he's standing. It's almost like he's above the president.
To me, the president should never be sitting as someone
else is standing and talking. Yes, everybody can be seated.
You talk to the president when he is sitting. The
president stands, people can stand, or the president can stand

(40:49):
and talk. And everyone else's you know, sitting. That's any president.
Why because he's the president of the United States. He
was elected by the American people. But no, he gave
such deference and such respect to Elon that I remember,
I didn't like it. Every time I saw it. I'm like,
he's not that important. Elon's almost acting like he's a

(41:12):
co president. He's not. No one voted for him. What
he did was very important, no question, but they didn't
vote for him. They voted for Trump. Elon was never
on the ballot. So this is not a co presidency.
But at times it's almost like, well, you know, Elon,
I know you want to say something, and he would

(41:33):
say Elon would stand, He goes andya, please stand while
the president is sitting. I don't like I never liked it.
I don't like it. But my point is, no one
gave any non cabinet member such unprecedented access, prestige, influence.

(41:57):
You couldn't have treated somebody better. Now, Okay, fine, you
have a problem with the bill. Look, I think it's
too much pork and too much spending as well.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
I do.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
You can say to the president privately, Okay, you feel
that strongly about it, you can say it publicly. But
we went from that to this guy's diddling kids. And
I got to ask myself, is this guy under the
influence of drugs? And I'll tell you why, because now
in the middle of the night, this is the latest.
In the middle of the night, Okay, there are people

(42:32):
on social media. Bill Ackman in particular, a wealthy billionaire
former Democrat who voted for Trump, and he tweets Elon saying,
I like you. I like Trump for the good of
the country. I think the two of you need to
make peace. And you know what Elon's response is, Yeah,
I think that's a good idea. What now, all of

(42:58):
after everything, you've just head that Trump should be impeached,
that we need a new political party. You want to
destroy the bill. He's part of the Epstein files market market.
You're gonna see I'm gonna be vindicated in the future.
So you burn the guy to the ground, and then

(43:19):
all of a sudden, oh, let's make peace, Like were
you coming off the drugs? I'm sorry, I have to
ask was this one a binge? And then you're like, oh,
what the hell was I doing when I was high?
Or there's you know, the elevator doesn't go to the top.

(43:41):
I don't know what it is. But Linda, I'm telling
you this is irrational. It doesn't make any sense. Look
as Mike said it. That's why he said, Look you
did you laugh for your cry? He's laughing, He goes.
We went from we're best friends, we love each other,
he says Elon Musk to I have problems with the

(44:01):
bill too. You're a pedophile. In about four days we Linda,
thank you very much for that call. I don't agree. Disagree.
Paul in Rhode Island, thanks for holding Paul, and welcome.

Speaker 5 (44:20):
Jeff. How are you very good?

Speaker 1 (44:22):
How are you, Paul.

Speaker 5 (44:24):
I've been watching this and it looks like there's a
big feud going on between you Al and Lusk and
Donald Trump. Yes, Donald Trump was respectful, but he often
criticized him. But Elon Muntz went off the rails as
soon as he left office. Well, it was just before

(44:46):
he left office. He didn't want to leave. Trump asked him. Uise,
he didn't want to, but you know there were still friends.
All of a sudden, they're not friends anymore, him ending me,
what's up with that?

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Well, Paul, I'm just curious. I mean, Trump's theory and
he's been very open about it. What he's saying in
public is what he's telling everybody in private, which is
that Elon was angry at him for taking out those billions.
And it is billions, billions of dollars in subsidies and
credits that Tesla was getting for their electrical vehicle cars,

(45:27):
their EV batteries, their solar panels. They make a lot
of solar panels as well, and they sell them to
homes all across the country. So these sort of green
energy subsidies or credits as they're called, were taken out
in the bill and because and Trump said this was
under Biden, and there's we're going to get rid of it.
We just can't keep it. It's a waste of money.

(45:47):
So he's saying that Elon is angry because this is
going to this bill is costing him personally billions of dollars.
And then he said something else, which is he says,
you know, I don't know what it is people work
in our administration. There's nothing like being in the oval office,
you know. And he said this right beside the German Chancellor,

(46:08):
and the German Chancellor was nodding like yeah, it's true.
He said, you know, World War One is decided here,
World War II was decided here, the Cold War was
decided here. Like in other words, this is where all
the action is. This is where the center of power
all over the world is. That's just a fact. And
he said, so Trump says, when he left, when people leave,

(46:30):
some either embrace it or some begin to miss the
glamor the attention that they had, the power that they
used to have. And his theory is Elon now realizes
he's just the head of a big company. He's no
longer at the center of all the action. And that's

(46:53):
when Trump said, that's when people begin to fall into
Trump's arrangement syndrome. And tell you what, let me just
play the cut this is Trump, and so here is
Trump because the media is saying, well, now that you
and Trump are feuding like this, are you saying that

(47:13):
Doge and all the cuts that he recommended, is that
over with now? I mean, is it all going to
be null and void because you're dealing with a crazy person?
Trump says, no, the Doge cuts were good, but something
happened to elon roll cut four, Mike, and this is

(47:34):
the I you put in charge of cutting spending? Should
people not taking seriously about spending? Now you saying this
is all sour great?

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Now, he worked hard and he did a good job.
And I'll be honest, I think he misses the place.
I think he got out there and all of a
sudden he wasn't in this beautiful Oval office and he was,
and he's got nice offices too. But there's something about this.
When I was telling you the Chancellor, this is where
it is. People come in here, even from Germany. They
come in and walk into the Oval Office and it's

(48:02):
just a special place. It's you know, World War One
it started and it ended here in World War two
and so many other things. Everything big comes right from this,
this beautiful space. It's now much more beautiful than it
was six months ago.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
So and then he continues, and this is where he
he says he suffers from Trump de arrangement syndrome. Roll
cut four A, Mike, I.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
Think President Trump is a good man.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
The President has been so unfailure attacked in the media.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
No. Four B, Mike, Mike, four A. I want four A. Okay.
This is where he says, Look, he's not the first.
And that's when he says, you know, okay, here it is.
Go ahead, Mike, and.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
I'll tell you it's not He's not the first. People
leave my administration and they love us, and then at
some point they miss it so badly, and some of
them embrace it, and some of them actually become hostile.
I don't know what it is. It's sort of Trump
derangement syndrome. I guess they call it. But we have

(49:15):
it with others too. They leave, and they wake up
in the morning and the glamour's gun, the whole world
is different, and they become hostile. I don't know what
it is. Someday you'll write a book about it.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
You'll let us know. So Paul, his theory is he's
lost billions in the ev credits and the solar panel credits,
so financially it was affecting him personally, but almost on
a deeper level, he's saying, no, it's psychological. He misses
being in the thick of the action, and now it's TBS.

(49:49):
It's trumped arrangement syndrome.

Speaker 6 (49:51):
What say you, Paul, Well, the thing is I think
the very eight I mean, Musk and Trump need the
fact up and the big beautiful bill needs to be asked.

Speaker 5 (50:05):
What they can do is and make a directness to
it and make it more effective for the taxpayer, because
if we don't do that, that's the end of his presidency.
And I think indirectly that Elon Musk is responsible for this.
Although he wasn't the one that won the election for
Trump in the first term, he could do without him.

(50:28):
He did help, but now he turned against him. He
wanted all the power. That's what I want, and that's
when I want to stress. He wanted all the power,
and Trump said it's time for you to leave, and
he didn't like that.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Well, it's clear, I think, Paul, you're onto something that
the power got to Elon's head. And you can look
when he said the President's being an ingrate, or, as
he put it, such ingratitude. If you want exactly how
he put it. Elon wrote on acts, it's not such ingratitude.
I won him the election. He goes, if it wasn't
for me, he would have lost the election and the

(51:06):
Democrats would have won the House and the Republicans would
only have a fifty one to forty nine majority in
the Senate. So basically what he's saying is I made Trump,
I put him in the Oval office, I gave him
a majority in both the House and the Senate. And
now this guy's attacking me. How dare he?

Speaker 5 (51:27):
So?

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Elon's basically saying, I'm the kingmaker. I made Trump. So
he's almost implying like he's a co president with Trump.
And I'm like, whoa, whoa wo slow down, whoa. Yes,
you were pivotal. Yes you had a major role, there's
no question. But take it easy. There's no co presidency here.

(51:52):
You didn't install him in the Oval office. Like, whoa,
your ego is getting a little bit too big here.
Know your place, and that's the problem. Elon doesn't know
his place. Paul, thank you very much for that call.
Six one seven two six six sixty eight, sixty eight. Again,
you may disagree with me, agree, disagree. Who do you

(52:17):
think is most to blame for this feud now between
Trump and Elon? And who do you ultimately side with? Okay,
quick recap, and then we're gonna go right to the
We're gonna go to a quick break, come back and
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