Epstein: Murder or Suicide?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, Cooner country. Okay, my friends, what happened to
Jeffrey Epstein in that prison cell five almost six years ago? Now,
that is the question. The debate now has been reignited

(00:20):
because of an interview that was just done or a
couple days ago, recently by FBI Director Cash Patel and
his deputy Dan Bongino. And before I even get into
this story, and this is a very important story because
so much revolves around Jeffrey Epstein, his sex trafficking network,

(00:42):
his pedophile ring, the desperate efforts by our nation's corrupt
elites to try to sweep this massive scandal under the
rug that I just I have to say this. I
was shocked, shocked at the interview that Cash and Dan

(01:05):
Bongino gave to Maria Bartiromo on Sunday Morning Futures on
Fox News. First of all, if you haven't seen it,
I urge all of you to go see it. We're
gonna play some cots obviously, but the audio doesn't quite
do justice to the concern that many, many and I

(01:26):
mean many conservatives have over both Cash Betel and Dan Bongino.
They looked frightened, They looked like scared little boys. You
can tell they're towing the FBI line, they're towing the
deep state narrative, and nobody's buying it. And the question, now,

(01:48):
that needs to be asked, and that, frankly, my wonderful wife, Grace,
doctor Grace Voto, Grace Voto asks in her latest column,
which is up on worrko dot com slash kooner kuh
and as a national er, it's right there. Questions on
the death of Epstein remain. She discusses the interview and

(02:12):
what happened to Epstein on that fateful night, and she's
not convinced either that Cash Battel and Dan Bongino are
telling the truth. In fact, she believes and I agree
with her, that they're probably being threatened and that it worked. Now,
let me just tell you exactly what took place, Cash
Patel and Dan Bongino. Now, remember Bongino was known as

(02:37):
a whistleblower when it comes to crimes of the deep state.
Both he and Cashptel, before they entered the FBI, made
argument after argument after argument that if you look at
the evidence, there is no way in hell that Jeffrey
Epstein oft himself. There's no way that he hung himself

(03:01):
using bed sheets from the ceiling of that prison cell.
This screamed strangulation and murder. Now they're telling a very
different story. President Trump, after he was sworn into office,
one of the first executive orders he signed was to

(03:27):
launch an investigation into what happened in that prison cell
and to answer the question, once and for all, did
Epstein kill himself or, as most of the world believes
and I certainly believe, was he murdered. Well, listen now

(03:47):
to Dan Bongino, and listen now to Cash Patel saying
that there's no doubt about it in their mind. They
say they've seen the full file. They've read the tire file.
Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. Roll cut fifty, Mike, Okay, Apparently

(04:09):
we're having technical problems. Basically, both of them said, there's
no question that he murdered himself, that he committed suicide.
That they say, you can believe whatever you want, but
that they have seen the full file, and that Epstein
was a desperate man who committed a desperate act, and

(04:29):
that he hung himself in that prison cell. Roll cut fifty, Mike, You.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Said, Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
People don't believe it.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Well, I mean, listen, they have a right to their opinion.
But as someone who has worked as a public defender,
as a prosecutor, who's been in that prison system, who's
been in the Metropolitan Detention Center, who's been in segregated housing,
you know a suicide when you see one, and that's
what that was. They killed himself again, you want me
to I've seen the whole file.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
He killed himself. So, and then Bongino went on to say,
I'm here to tell the truth. I'm not here to
say what people want me to say. So they're doubling, tripling,
quadrupling down. Furthermore, they say the investigation now into Epstein's
death is over, that it is officially now a suicide,

(05:23):
and that he killed himself and that's now going to
be the official record from the FBI going forward. Now,
let me just say this, I don't believe them. As
I said on X and I'm going to repeat it now,
I don't believe them. And to be even more candid

(05:44):
with all of you, I don't trust them again. Look
at the interview, not just the audio, but the video.
They both look nervous, they're both looking away, they look
honestly a little bit sheepish, and they look anxious, frankly,
even a little bit afraid. And the question that Grace

(06:05):
raises in her column, which is the question I think
everybody's asking, is were they threatened, were they intimidated? Were
they told by people within the deep state or higher up?
You know how you better rule on this. Now, what
is to me incredible is just look at the facts

(06:25):
of what we know about the death of Epstein. Just
this is now what the FBI, this is now what
Cash Betel and Dan Bongino are now asking us to
believe that Jeffrey Epstein, who was offering money to cellmates

(06:46):
so that he would not be killed, who kept telling
everybody if I die, it's not because of a suicide,
and literally was paying cellmates to protect him, that this
man was suicidal. Furthermore, according to standard prison procedure, at

(07:10):
the prison cell that he was in, you always have
to have a cellmate present, at least one in the cell,
exactly to prevent these kinds of things happening like a suicide. Conveniently,
at five o'clock in the evening, his cellmate was removed
from the prison cell, leaving Epstein all by himself, which

(07:34):
violates all procedure, all protocol. Furthermore, there are three cameras
that were on Epstein's cell. Three, there were three cameras, miraculously,
you want to talk about the mother of all coincidences,

(07:55):
Shazam baby. Two of the three cameras on that night, mysteriously,
according to them, malfunctioned day all work. They didn't work.
The third one, which apparently did work, however, the video
was so grainy and so bad. And then the FBI

(08:18):
tells us that apparently they lost the bad video, the grainy,
bad video. So three cameras, none of them worked. Epstein
was on a constant surveillance. He was watched over by two,
not one, two security guards. But according to the official story,

(08:41):
now both of them, both of them apparently fell asleep,
both of them and so and then, by the way,
they admitted later that they falsified the record that they
had done their regular checks every half an hour. They say, no,

(09:01):
we lied, We falsified the record because both of us,
both of us, were snoozing for two and a half hours.
Now you expect us to believe that two security guards
fell asleep, that three cameras at the same time on
that evening, malfunctioned that the cellmate was removed, which goes

(09:26):
against all procedure. That a man who was paying cellmates
to protect him and was telling everybody around him, if
I die, it's not a suicide, committed suicide. Now furthermore, Okay,
just to show you how insane this story is that
they're trying to sell us. Okay. Furthermore, the Epstein family

(09:49):
hired one of the world's leading forensic pathologists, doctor Michael Baden.
I believe is how you pronounce his last name, be
ad N. Doctor Baden said, I have Boden. Okay, my
bad doctor Michael Boden. Doctor Boden said he has examined

(10:10):
over a thousand jail suicides hangings. He said, there's no
way that Epstein committed suicide. Why because of the fractures
of the bones in his neck, that this could not
have been caused by hanging, but only by and I'm

(10:31):
quoting now Boden directly, by homicidal strangulation. In other words,
somebody strangled him to death. The bed sheets. When tried,
the same bed sheets, same height, same weight, they always tear.
If you try to hang somebody from a ceiling. Okay,

(10:52):
lines are practically loaded. When that happens, I want to
go to the phones as soon as possible. Uh six
one seven two six six sixty eight sixty. There's one
line open if you want to jump on. Okay, let
me just quickly set the table. There is a huge conservative,
MAGA patriot backlash now against Dan Bongino and Cash Ptel

(11:15):
over their interview with Maria Bartiromo, and in particular, let
me just play the cut one more time. She asked
them point blank, did Jeffrey Epstein kill himself? And their
answer is, and it's the deep state narrative. It is
the FBI line that they have been pushing from the

(11:36):
very beginning. Their answer is yes. Now, remember both men
were very skeptical that Epstein killed himself, that he committed
suicide before they got into the FBI, and so they've
done practically a one eighty. And many people are saying,

(11:56):
this is not the Cash Battel that we saw before.
This is not the Dan Bongino that we saw before.
Now they're claiming it's because they've seen the whole file.
And now that they've seen the whole file, now there's
only one conclusion Epstein was not killed. He was not murdered,

(12:17):
he was not strangled. No, no, no, no, this was a suicide.
He hung himself with his own bed sheets in his
prison cell. Roll cut fifty five zero.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Mike, you said, Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide. People don't believe it. Well,
I mean, listen, they have a right to their opinion.
But as someone who has worked as a public defender,
as a prosecutor, who's been in that prison system, who's
been in the Metropolitan Detention Center, who's been in segregated housing,

(12:51):
you know a suicide when you see one, and that's.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
What that was.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
They killed himself.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Again, you want me to get I've seen the whole file.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
He killed himself. Mike was saying, Yeah. Maybe. As they
were going through the whole file, about three quarters of
the way through, they found a read letter which read,
you keep digging and the same thing's gonna happen to you.
They read the whole file, look to me. And again,

(13:24):
Grace makes this point in her column, but just because
she's right, I mean, she's just knocking it out of
the park. Her point is, well, who generated the file,
who wrote the file? So what you're just gonna blindly
trust what the FBI put in their own file about
the death of Epstein, and just stand back for a second. Okay,

(13:44):
I talked about it in my opening monologue. Forget the
camera's malfunctioning. For Forget that they removed the cellmate, which
goes against all procedure in a cell that very evening,
which is almost unheard of. Forget the fact not one
but two security guards allegedly fell asleep so they couldn't
check up on him.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Forget the fact that the world's leading forensic pathologist, sorry
leading forensic pathologists, said the broken bones in his neck
are inconsistent, almost impossible if he hung himself with bed sheets.
It's only possible if he was strangled to death, Okay.
And that they did tests on someone six feet one

(14:29):
hundred and eighty five pounds, which is what Epstein was,
with those very same bed sheets they keep tearing over
and over again. The family says, it's impossible that he
hung himself. It's impossible. Okay, Let all of that go,
Just let it all go. Jeffrey Epstein is at the

(14:51):
center of the one of the greatest scandals of our century.
He was that he was the the most notorious pedophile
of our time. He oversaw a pedophile sex trafficking network
in which we know he had videos, tapes, documents on

(15:14):
hundreds and hundreds of the wealthiest, most powerful people in
our country and around the world engaging in obscene, grotesque
sex acts with miners. Okay, this is all undisputable, and
he's sitting in that cell. And if this thing goes

(15:37):
to trial and Epstein under oath began to reveal the
client list and reveal the people that were there and
participated in what we call orgies with underage kids and
underage women and underage miners, this would destroy the entire

(15:59):
or much of the elite of our country. And yet,
notice Pam Bondie has not released the Epstein files. What
is she hiding? What is she afraid of? Now you
have the director of the FBI who wants us to
take it on blind faith from him that Epstein killed

(16:22):
himself against all possible evidence, all evidence to the contrary.
That tough guy Dan Bongino, who's got a big mouth
when he had his show on his podcast. But now
all of a sudden is now telling us we have
to accept and swallow the deep state FBI narrative, hook

(16:44):
Line and Sinker. What are they covering up or what
are they afraid of? That's to me, that's the question,
because honestly, I don't believe them. I don't, And let
me go even one step further. I'm very disappointed in

(17:05):
Cash and Dan Bongino. Now I'm still hopeful that their
tenure is going to be successful. I'm still hoping that
they're going to arrest people and that swamp creatures and corrupt,
crooked politicians and Democrats are going to be held accountable.
I'm not writing them off, but this is not a
good omen. I am very disappointed. What they simply should

(17:30):
have said was the investigation into Jeffrey Epstein is still
open and have an honest, thorough, objective, fair investigation into
what really happened. Instead, they cleaned up that scene and
the prison cell the second they found his body, and

(17:54):
they told us it was a suicide from the beginning,
and they have been lying to ever since. And notice, conveniently,
now Epstein cannot speak, Epstein cannot testify, he never had
his day in court. Conveniently, we're never going to see
these files, I believe, And now conveniently the deep state

(18:18):
again gets its narrative accepted by the FBI director and
his deputy. And so, look, my conclusion is a simple one.
The deep state always wins for whatever reason. And you
can put any blow hard you want at the top
of the FBI or as deputy FBI six one seven

(18:40):
two six six sixty eight sixty eight. Now look to
be fair to Cash Pattal and Dan Bongino. Maybe they've
seen something in the file that changed their mind. I mean,
you know, everybody, you know, I'm rushing to a conclusion.
Grace is rushing to a conclusion. Many of you are
rushing to a conclusion. Where they threatened, where they intimidated.
Are they just you know, going along to get along

(19:02):
whatever it may be. So, but then, to me, the
obvious follow up question from Maria Bartiromo should have been,
well what did you see in the file that changed
your mind? Instead, if you listen to the answer, it's
you know, while I've been to that prison, and I've
been to the cell, and I was a prosecutor, and
you know, so they're basically just saying, you know, uncredentials. Basically, no,

(19:26):
we know and take our word for it. No, we
shouldn't take your word for it. Why should I take
your word for it. We've been lied to by the
FBI over and over and over and over again. And
it was the two of you that made careers out
of telling us how the FBI lies all the time,
how it's corrupt, how the deep state is corrupt. Hell,

(19:48):
Cash Ptel's book that he was peddling before he became
FBI director was Government Gangsters, and it was documenting all
the crimes of the deep state. And by the way,
everything he said in that book was true. That's why
I was so excited when he was a name as
the FBI director. And now the guy's turned into one mouse.

(20:11):
I want to read this. You can text the cooner
man seven zero four seven zero seven zero four seven zero,
because I think it hits the nail right on the head,
right on the head, and it gets to the point
that I was making just before the break. It's from
seven eighty one. Jeff I saw the interview with Cash

(20:34):
Patel and Dan Bongino. It was disgraceful. How much more
proof do we need that it doesn't matter who's in office,
The deep state allways, in caps controls the narrative. The
answer isn't appointing new blowhards. The answer is less government.

(21:00):
You're right, Jef, cut the deep state. It's a bit
of a longer text, but it goes on to say,
fire people, slash their budget, defund them. In other words,
get rid of the CIA, get rid of the FBI,

(21:20):
get rid of some of these agencies. That's the only
way we're ever going to regain control over the deep state.
And ps Epstein definitely didn't kill himself. Amen, seven eighty one.
I agree with you, not one hundred is I like
to say a thousand percent. Epstein did not kill himself,

(21:43):
And I'm with you. I think now the deep state
is so powerful and so wealthy, it's like a Leviathon.
I don't think you can control it anymore. It's not
a question now of personnel. You can see it with cash.
And Dan Bongino think now it's it's less government. It's
we've got to start cutting the deep state period, hacking it,

(22:08):
slashing it, reducing its budget, firing people, eliminating agencies. That's
the only way. Otherwise we're just going to keep getting
lie after lie after lie. Agree, disagree. Let me ask
you the two big questions. Did Epstein kill himself or

(22:29):
was he murdered? And number two, do you trust? Do
you believe Cash Ptel and Dan Bongino when they say
Epstein killed himself? Angela in Vermont, You're gonna kick us off, Angela,
Thanks for holding.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
And welcome, good morning, Jeff.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
Thank you for taking my.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Caro my pleasure. Angela.

Speaker 5 (22:54):
I have a different theory because I'm I'm like you,
quick to judge that everyone is a turn coat. However,
but if we look at it from another angle, and
that Putel and Bongino are put in there to be
the cleaners of the agency, and maybe the way to
snuff out your enemy is to tow the line and

(23:15):
make them think you're complicit in their predetermined narrative. Anyone
with a brain knows that Epstein didn't kill himself. However,
how do you make people comfortable where they may make
mistakes if they think that you agree to the narrative
that the FBI has laid out. I think Trump is

(23:36):
a strategist. I think you put people in place specifically
to do that. And what if this is just to
look squirrel for the bad guys, And now all of
us are talking about it as if that's the new narrative.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Well, Angela, look, I hope you're right. I want to
believe you're right. A lot of people are saying what
you're saying, and it's a very intelligent, well reasoned, honestly,
very articulate, coherent theory. The only reason why I personally
don't buy it, and you may be right. I'm not
saying I'm right and you're wrong, right the contrary. But

(24:15):
the reason why I'm not buying it is for two reasons.
Number One, Cash Ptel and Dan Bongino have now said
that they've closed the investigation into the death of Epstein.
It's closed, it's done. There are no agents, no one's
looking into it. So they've turned the page. And this
has created a lot of disappointment among people within the agency.

(24:38):
It's created a lot of disappointment within Trump's inner circle.
So people very close to Trump are taking it very seriously.
They're not acting as if, oh, it's some kind of
a ruse or a ploy, or you know, a red
herring to you throw people off and let them let
their guard down. No, they are pushing very hard that
the investigation is done and that the official now verdict

(25:03):
from the FBI director and from the deputy is that
Epstein committed suicide and that anything else is a crazy
conspiracy theory. So that's number one. Number two, there's something
going on with Epstein. Pambondi now, I don't know how
many weeks she's been sitting now on those files. They're

(25:26):
not going to release the files. And this is my conclusion.
I hope I'm wrong. I want to be wrong, and
I want you to react to this, Angela and give
me your reaction. I think the decision now has been
made at least among Bondie, Bongino and Cash Petel at
a bare minimum, that the people implicated in the Epstein

(25:49):
pedophile ring and the videos and the documents and the
tapes compromise and implicate so many powerful people it would
pretty much bring down the system. And I don't think
they want to bring the system down. I think they
just feel it's too much. It'll rock the United States

(26:10):
to its very foundations. It will be too destructive, too disruptive.
It'll affect both parties. It will take out some of
the biggest names in the country and in the world.
And we are now in the midst of a Cold
war with China. We have a potential nuclear war between

(26:30):
Russia and Ukraine. We're trying to desperately reign in Iran's
nuclear program. We have a massive border invasion, we have
a fifth column from the Democrats and the radical left.
I'm just saying, this is the argument. I think they're saying.
We can't afford to take down the entire country and
the entire system in terms of its leadership, and so

(26:53):
we're just going to have to let this go. I
can't read the evidence any other way. You know, no
one wants to look at the files, no one wants
to release the files. You also now have key witnesses
who mysteriously are quote unquote committing suicide. Virginia Guffrey, this

(27:14):
other one, Caroline Adriano, I believe is how you pronounced
her last name. She helped put Julaine Maxwell to prison.
Apparently now she's mysteriously committed suicide. So what I'm saying
is there's too much going on around Epstein that it
seems to me they don't want the country to know
about it, and I believe it's because they fear the consequences.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
What say you, Angela, I'm going to optimistically disagree only
because I do want to believe that this is a
project to eliminate.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
The Deep States. We only have one opportunity to clean
everything up, and it has to be done the right way.
And I think we bet it in information war for many,
many years. And I think that what you see is
not always the reality. I think you say that with
a lot of such stuff that comes down of the news.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
You know what, Look, I hope you're right, honestly, from
your lips to God's hers. Angela six one seven two
six six sixty eight sixty eight is the number. Let
me ask all of you, let's throw another very very
quick log on that fire. Angela in Vermont says, I
believe this is a ploy, a strategic misdirection on the

(28:34):
part of Dan Bongino and Cash Patel. They're saying this.
They went on the record, they're doing interviews. They're claiming
now that no, no, no, no, we're no. Forget what
we said before. We believe that Jeffrey Epstein murdered himself.
He committed suicide. That's the official book. That's the official record.

(28:57):
Forgive me. That's the official line, and we're closing the book.
But really they want to let their enemies within the FBI,
their enemies within the deep State, to let their guard down.
So this is how they're going to catch them, arrest them,
and ultimately destroy them, expose them. Do you agree? Do

(29:22):
you think this is part of a larger strategic ploy
on their part. I honestly think they're saying what they've
been told to say. And if you look at the video,
they look like two people who are you towing the line?
You know, when you've been asked by your boss or
told by your boss, this is the party line, and

(29:44):
this is what you're gonna say. Period. What you think
in private, I don't care. What you say in public
is what I care about. And in public you're gonna
say it was a suicide and we're moving on. Because
you look at them, just their facial expression. First of all,
they do look worried. They do look scared, They do
look a bit sheepish and slightly almost a bit embarrassed. Again,

(30:09):
you judge for yourself. Maybe I'm I'm you know, looking
maybe I'm i'm I'm overdoing this, or I'm looking too
much into it. But when I saw that, I'm like, nah,
They're they're walking the plank. I think this came. This
came from you know, Pam BONDI. I think this came
from their superiors. This is the line, and you're gonna

(30:30):
toe it. Six one seven two six six sixty eight
sixty eight just my opinion. Agree, disagree. I want to
read this text from six oh three and again. Let
me just like I'm in the confessional. Let me be
brutally honest with all of you. I was not planning
on doing this story. I really wasn't. But Monday Tuesday,

(30:54):
over the last couple of days, there was such a
backlash to this inn Kooner country. You were emailing me.
I got so many emails, messages on Messenger on the
text line. I can't believe Cash, Betel and Dan Bongino
said this. There was such blowback, such a backlash from

(31:19):
so many conservatives, so many MAGA patriots. I'm like, this
is a red hot story. I mean, obviously the audience
wants to talk about this, and a lot of it
was how disappointed so many of you were. In both
Cash and Dan Bongino that almost like personally betrayed many

(31:41):
of you. I don't want to overdo it, but for
many of you, it was almost like you felt it
was a personal betrayal, and that's why I said, Okay,
we got to talk about it. I mean, it's it's
a huge issue. So that's the context. Now this is
from six to oh three, because this is the kind
of stuff I've been getting over the last forty eight
to seventy two hours. Jeff, let me put it this way.

(32:05):
Regardless of what of what, whatever it may have been
that caused these two men to change course and say
what they just said about Epstein's death, the fact is this,
Cash patl and Dan Bongino just earned the biggest collective

(32:25):
raised eyebrow in American MAGA history, and judging from the
public's response, no one seems to be buying it. Let
me just quote one person's response on X because I
think it sums up public consensus perfectly. Quote. I don't
think Cashpatel and Dan Bongino believe Cash Patel and Dan Bongino,

(32:52):
And you know what, Jeff, neither do. I this is
a big hit to people's faith in these two men,
and I hope they know it. So are you losing faith?
Are you losing trust in these two men? Are you
disappointed in them? Let me throw that in there as well,

(33:14):
and ultimately, do you believe them? They say Epstein did
not was not murdered. They say Epstein killed himself. I
don't believe them, do you? Larry in Leminster? Thanks for
holding Larry and welcome.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yes, the scene has in common with my Christmas decorations.
They don't hang themselves.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Larry, you've been following Dan Bongino for many years. You
listen to his show, to his podcast, you're a fan
of his. What do you make of him saying this?
And what do you make of cash Betel?

Speaker 4 (33:59):
Yeah, that's the difference between us and Democrats, right, they
keep calling us the cult. We don't fall in line.
Was everything we're told? We questioned it. I'm questioning this.
I am looking at it from this angle though. That
woman who allegedly got into that near fatal accident with

(34:22):
the bus and then passed away, where did that happen?

Speaker 6 (34:30):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I'm sorry? What do you mean by that? Larry?

Speaker 3 (34:33):
See?

Speaker 4 (34:34):
Did that happen in?

Speaker 1 (34:36):
You broke up on me?

Speaker 4 (34:38):
I'm sorry? What country did that happen in?

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Wasn't this Australia exactly?

Speaker 4 (34:42):
She's from here. She fled to Australia because of the
death threats and now it looks like they got her there.
How deep does it go. You've got the royal family involved,
You've got past presidents involved. I'm not making excuses. I'm
just saying this is what it's looking like to me.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Right.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
They they might have gotten that, like you said, that
read letter and they said, hey, we can get to you.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Well, Larry. Look, and this is the point that Grace
makes in her column as well, which is if they
were intimidated, if they were threatened, and now they're backing down,
then they're not up for the job. In other words, Look,
you know, if you're gonna if you're going to be
Trump's FBI director and you're going to be Trump's deputy

(35:37):
FBI director, you're going to have to clean up the
entire FBI, and you're going to have the long knives out.
The deep state's going to be gunning for you now.
And Patel should have known that, and Dan Bongino I
know knew it. So you're going to get death threats.
They're not going to lay down. They're not going to

(35:57):
just say, okay, come and get us here it is.
Here's all the evidence. So you know, either you have
what it forgive me to put it crudely, either you
have the the cohonis, you have the the spine, the
stones to do what needs to be done, or if not,
then respectfully resign and let somebody who can and who

(36:20):
will and who does have the stones. But again, Larry,
this is my fear. You become FBI director, you become
a very wealthy man. Just look at James Comy, He's
now worth north of twenty five million dollars and climbing
and climbing and climbing.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
Now.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
I know Bongino did well, and Cash Pateel, you know,
sold his book, but we're talking about a very different
level once you become you know, FBI and deputy FBI director.
So I'm starting to ask myself. Is the swamp just
that powerful? Is it? In other words, it just seems
to corrupt everybody. It seduces everybody, It co opts every everybody.

(37:01):
It doesn't matter who you put in. You put them
in and they just get swallowed up. Larry, am I wrong?

Speaker 4 (37:10):
Let's take a tally, right you've got first, Let's look
at Ebstein and Maxwell. Maxwell actually went through trial got
convicted of not as saying all these women right, but
facilitating for others to do it. Yet we don't know

(37:30):
a single soul she facilitated too. We're under the impression
that Roberts and Amy Coney Barrett are compromised. Two of
the most powerful in the judiciary are compromised, are in

(37:52):
fear of their lives. I'm not making excuses for the
two of them. How tough do you have to be?
How much is it? I would agree with you on
the corruption, but I don't think the seduction is quite
the right word. How deep does it go? How powerful
are these people that two of the toughest guys can

(38:12):
get this crap scared out of them.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Well, that's a very interesting point, Larry or Or. And
this is what many people are saying. And again I'm
not trying to disparage either Cash or Dan Bongino. I'm
saying it's saying is very respectfully. But many on x
are saying, are they just, you know, want to be
tough guys? In other words, they play the tough guy.
You know, they have a you know, they they talk

(38:39):
a big game and to sell books or you know whatever,
get ratings and podcasts, and but really, when the rubber
meets the road, like now, suddenly you know they're what's
is they? I mean they you know, they fold like
a house of cards, you know. In other words, it's
one thing to talk the talk. It's something very different

(39:01):
to walk the walk. And I think that's what many
people are very disappointed. We all thought, if there's one
thing we were going to get from Cash Betel and
Dan Bongino, it was gonna be bare knuckled, no holds barred.
These guys are going to go in guns blazing, and
consequences be damned. Look, let me put it out there, Larry.
The only real tough guy that I see in this

(39:24):
entire administration, God is my witness, is Donald Trump. The
guy took a bullet in the ear, missed his brain
by a millimeter, blood splattered all over his face. He
gets up and he's pumping his fist, saying fight fight, fight, fight, fight, fight,
fight with you know, he didn't know what he had.

(39:46):
He knew he was hit by a bullet. Who knows
that could have been his last words. So the only
guy I know that walks the walk, not just talk
the talk, is him. And no, he's the only one
who's not afraid everybody else. I mean, it's just incredible
and so I guess, Larry, I got to ask you

(40:09):
are maybe these are not the two people we need
to be leading the FBI. Maybe we need to get
somebody else, not as flashy, not as articulate. Maybe they
don't sell books, maybe they're not talk show hosts. You know,
maybe a guy like Ken Paxton. You know, we don't
need a media poodle. We need a pit bull. An Absolutely,

(40:33):
we need a Tom Holman type. Okay, Frank, he's another
tough guy. I mean he's getting death threats left, right
and centered. This guy doesn't give a damn. He's just
come and get me. I don't care. So, Larry, do
we need a pit bull at the head of the
FBI and as deputy? I'm just curious? Is it? Maybe

(40:54):
it's personnel. They're just not up for the job. What's
say you? Final word to you, Larry?

Speaker 4 (41:00):
You may be right now. I don't know much about
cash Hotel's background other than you know he was a
lawyer and did some things and got railroaded in the
first in the beginning of Biden's term or not but
two voluntarily. And you know this is coming from put
yourself in front of a target, right, you can say

(41:25):
what you want now, But that takes some cajonies to
say I'm willing to give up my life just for
the greater good of somebody else's. And he did do Clinton,
Bush and Obama, but.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Forty fifty.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
No, now we're looking at sixty years because you've got
to imagine this goes back to the Kennedy assassination. How
entrenched and built up the deep state is. Are we
really being realistic to think that it can get undone
in one hundred days? Like your previous caller, there could

(42:02):
be a back strategy to this that we're just not
aware of.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
I hope. So yeah, really, Larry, I hope, So I
really do. Larry, as always, thank you very much for
your service, for your call for everything. And look, obviously
Dan Bongino secret service. He put his body on the line.
I've met him. I mean he's a big tough guy.
It's a big strong guy. So you know, I'm not

(42:27):
saying the guy's a coward, you know, far from it.
But you're going up against you're going up against the
deep state, and you know, I thought Larry said it
very well. I mean these are people you know, and
Jeffrey Epstein, so you're talking about you know, former presidents,
foreign leaders, some of the wealthiest, most powerful men in

(42:50):
the world. I mean, you know, people are getting suicided, right,
there's suicides all over the mysterious suicides, and you know
they're in your up there in Australia. They're all over
the place. And you know, and the way they go
after you is not just you. They go after your spouse,
they go after your family, they go after your parents.

(43:10):
There's other ways to intimidate people. So even if you
don't care for your own life, you know you're brave
about you know, sacrificing your own life, it's other people
around you that they threaten as well. So anyway, six
one seven, So we don't know the backstory. But look,
I'm disappointed. Let me just say this. I'm disappointed. As

(43:34):
I said on X and I want to repeat it.
I'm sick and tired of being led to don't tell
me this man killed himself when all the evidence points,
everything points that he was murdered. There's no question, there's
no question. Agree, disagree. Barbara in Baltimore. Thanks for holding Barbara,

(43:57):
and welcome.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Warning.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Jeff.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
You've for taking my call. I yes, you're Oh what
a great show. I agree with you about the size
and the breath and what this investigation takes in, what
it covers and what it would expose that I agree

(44:22):
with you about, and that is so big that they
can't But you said something, No, you had a text
that had my other point, and that is Donald Trump
is everybody's boss. We have to remember this is not
just what Pam Bondi says. Donald Trump doesn't listen to

(44:46):
Pam Bondy. You think Donald Trump doesn't know what's in
that file. I think it's a strategy. He's always playing chess.
It disarms the Mees. People will start relaxing a little bit.
We've got a lot going on right now. Two wars,

(45:09):
almost three if Indian Pakistan don't stop. There's so many
things that we need to fix in this country, so
much more important than Jeffrey Epstein right now. So I
have faith in President Trump. I was in Butler, you
mentioned it. I was behind him, standing there at my
pink phone because I thought it was firecrafters. And I'm

(45:32):
telling you, President Trump knows what he's doing, and he's
everybody's boss. He's telling them what they need to do,
and this is his strategy, and that's why I say
take a break and let it play out, because it's
not going to go away. And I don't think I

(45:53):
don't know about Amy Cally Barrett being compromised by Epstein,
but John Roberts that's a real possibility. Can you imagine
a scandal involving him coming out right now at this
time with the Democrats acting like lunatics in the streets

(46:16):
and the number of Republicans who I think on that list,
It would destroy a lot of things right now. But
there will come a time, and I think it will
be during President Trump's term, and it'll be when he
knows the time.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
It is, like, that's just.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
What I think, Barbara.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
No, Barbara, Look a lot of people are saying what
you're saying, except you have the guts to say it,
So no question about it, No, Barbara. I don't want
to jump the gun because I was going to get
to this a little bit later in the show, but
since you mentioned it, I just at least want to
briefly touch on it because you mentioned how you were
in Butler and you were there when the president was shocked.

(46:57):
The other shocking thing that Bongino said. This is why
the backlash is so ferocious is He then was asked
a follow up question about the investigation into what happened
July thirteen in Butler, Pennsylvania and the assassin Thomas Crooks.
And we know the breakdown and the Secret Service, we

(47:20):
know how sloppy the security was. People are saying there
must have been at least some people on the inside who,
if they didn't help him, deliberately turned a blind eye.
Dan Bongino turned out and came out and said, no,
that's not true, quote unquote, there's no there there and
people were just shocked, and he said again, we're closing

(47:41):
the investigation. This was the action of a loan shooter,
one loan gunman. There was nothing else wrong with the
Secret Service on that day, and he got no help,
and there was no breakdown. There was nobody complicit, and
we're moving on. So he's now also ordered he and

(48:04):
cash Ptel have now ordered an end to the investigation
of what happened in Butler, and now they're gonna they're
telling us now that Thomas Crooks will be like the
assassination of John F. Kennedy, like Lee Harvey Osweld. The
official narrative the official line is it was one loan gunman, period,

(48:28):
full stop, and nothing else to see. Move on your reaction.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
I was on the ground in Butler Thursday night before
this happened. I spent all day Friday. I was a volunteer.
But and I was on standing on the on the ground,
right in that middle bleacher. And I'm telling you I've
been about five front rallies. Those were not Secret Service

(48:57):
police there. They were wearing the green DHS, clearly DHS
on their vests. I think you're right about the laxness,
but I think I just have to trust President Trump.
I just do. I just do, and being a strategy

(49:17):
in everything that he does, because I'm with you asur
as Butler. There were no dogs. This the first time
I see no dogs at a rally. They didn't have
enough screening, you know, the metal detectors. The crowd was
so big, so many people. That's why I had to
stand up the bleachers. I had a red band on

(49:39):
my arms. Volunteers, we were supposed to be an extent.
We had the choice the middle bleacher. I planned to
be up top with Maryland for Trump's flag. I probably
might have been the first one shot if it had happened,
and I was only not there because it was so
hot that day. But in any event, this is not over.

(50:01):
Trust's President Trump so much, especially since that day.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Oh I agree, No, Barbara, Look, I hope not. I
hope it's not over.