Holding Parents Liable

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning corner contrary. Okay, a lot of news, a
lot of topics I want to discuss today, but this
one a hot tip to the New York Post. They're
the ones who broke this story, and it's an unbelievable story. Again,
look it up yourself, because I'm telling you you're not
going to believe me. There is now a growing trend

(00:25):
in many blue states. Now this one is based in
New Jersey, but you're seeing it now in blue state
after blue state in which now politicians want to hold
parents directly accountable, and I mean by accountable going to
jail for crimes or offenses committed by their kids. So

(00:51):
listen now to this. This is from Gloucester Township. It
is about oh eight nine miles away from Philadelphia, but
technically it is in New Jersey, and they have now
just passed a new law, by the way, and this
law is based off of other laws on the Jersey

(01:11):
Shore in Wildwood, but this is now the biggest town
to have adopted this law whereby I kid you not
if your child is called by the way, it's called
miners and parent responsibility. Okay, that's the law that it
stipulates that parents will be held quote unquote accountable for

(01:36):
public disturbances caused by their child. And according to the law,
if their kids are found guilty of multiple offenses, yes,
mommy and daddy or one or the other could go
to jail for up to three months ninety days and

(01:57):
or pay a two thousand dollars fine. Now you're gonna say,
Jeff je half je half, what the hell? What? Something
must have happened to trigger these lunatics up in Gloucester
Township to pass a draconian to me, how this is
going to survive past constitutional muster, how this is going

(02:19):
to survive a court challenge is beyond me, But let
that go. What the hell happened? Well, apparently last year
a massive brawl broke out. There was about five hundred
teens youths as they call them miners, at what's called
the Gloucester Township Day and Drone Show, and apparently it

(02:42):
was bedlam. So there was a massive brawl, there were fights.
Apparently eleven people, including nine teenagers, were arrested. Three officers
were injured. And so they said, you know what, we
got a problem now with teenage crime, with teenage fighting,

(03:03):
teenage violence, teenage behavior is out of control, and so
they now recategorized or reclassified many juvenile offenses and under
that they say it is about twenty eight of them
in total. That no, no, no no. If they're arrested
or convicted of any of these twenty eight juvenile offenses,

(03:28):
mommy and daddy will pay the price as well. One
at least one legal guardian is going to have to
go to prison as well. And apparently there's listen to this.
So if you're child, you're fifteen, sixteen year old teenager. Apparently,
if they're arrested and convicted of quote being a disorderly person.

(03:55):
Another one, this one is a doozy immorality? What the
hell is.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Like?

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Forget me? What having sex in the park? Like, I'm sorry,
what is what is immorality?

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Like?

Speaker 1 (04:07):
What smoking up marijuana in public? I mean, what's im morality? Anyway?
Immorality destruction of playground equipment, loitering, along with more traditional
offenses like assault, mugging, drunkenness, and drug dealing. So, according

(04:27):
to the Gloucester Township Police, this is what they said
in a press release clarifying this new law. Quote if
a child is repeatedly found guilty in juvenile court, their
caretaker i e. Mommy or Daddy could face up to
ninety days in prison and or a fine of up

(04:48):
to two thousand dollars. Now they're saying that a they
have a problem with teenagers and miners committing crimes. They
want to now hold the parents responsible for what they
say is bad parenting. They also now believe that by
enacting this law, that this is going to act as

(05:10):
a very powerful deterrent because now the parents are going
to be forced to really rein in their children and
to watch their children, to oversee their children, to discipline
and parent their children. So they believe this is going
to provide a massive incentive now for parents to control

(05:32):
and restrain their teenage kids. Now, maybe in theory this
sounds like a good idea, but let me tell you,
and you may disagree with me on this, but in practice,
this to me is you want to talk about authoritarianism,
and you want to talk about a draconian law that

(05:55):
strikes at the very heart of parental autonomy and parental rights.
This is it. This, clearly is it. Now, let's just
start with the obvious. It violates the fundamental principle upon
which not just Anglo American law, but really Western civilization,

(06:15):
the law of the basic legal basis of Western civilization.
You're responsible for your actions, You're not responsible for someone
else's actions. You could raise three, four, five kids, and
four of them could be wonderful, and one of them,
for whatever reason, is a constant troublemaker. That's not your

(06:39):
fault as a parent. Now, as I said in the
pre show video that we always put out on x
and other places on Instagram, I always do a quick
thirty to forty second hit to talk about what I'm
going to be doing on the show today. I said, So,
let me get this straight. My Ashton fifteen, Now he's

(07:00):
a very good boy, don't get me wrong, But say
my Ashton decides to, you know, have a couple of beers,
which is illegal in public, become publicly intoxicated. Now, ay,
if that ever happened, believe me, he wouldn't want to
come home because Daddy wouldn't be happy. Okay, he'd hear
it from both mommy and daddy. But my point is,

(07:22):
say he gets you know, he's in public drunkenness, he
gets intoxicated suddenly, Now I'm going to go to jail
for ninety days, say he and his friends, not that
he would ever do this again, he's a good kid,
but they, you know, bust up a playground, or think
it's funny to write some graffiti on school walls or

(07:43):
on some car, or you know, a teacher they don't like.
And all of a sudden, now I'm out two thousand dollars.
All of a sudden, now I'm staring at sixty to
ninety days in jail. This is insane. No, really, this
is insane. So it's a it's grossly unfair. That's number one.

(08:05):
Number two, Look what it now does to the parent.
You're taking away my rights to raise my child the
way I see fit, and you're making me responsible for
every bad decision that my child makes. Now and then
think of the consequences of this, Because, again in theory

(08:27):
it sounds well, the parents will be forced to be
more involved, They'll have to watch over their kids more,
They'll have to probably discipline their kids more. Okay, fine
in theory maybe, but it may work. But think about
it now in reality, practically, I've got two kids. Personally,
I've got Ashton and Eva. Others have three kids, four kids.

(08:51):
If I end up going to jail or my wife
ends up going to jail. What does that mean, who's
gonna work, who's gonna pay them more broggage, who's going
to pay the bills? Who's going to be around the parent?
The other children? So what you're doing is a you're
hurting the child, the one that's committing these crimes because

(09:14):
mommy and daddy now are in prison and they're probably
lost their job, and they've got a criminal record, and
they can't, you know, pay for the bait. You know,
they can't pay for electricity, food, shelter, you name it.
But you're also punishing the other children because now they
don't have a mom and dad because suddenly, now you've
turned mom and dad into a convict. You put mom

(09:36):
and dad in jail. You see what a disaster this
is going to be. Now, I understand, I do. It's
teen violence is out of control. We talked about that
yesterday with what's happening in Washington, DC, and Cincinnati and
in New York and here in Boston and in Chicago

(09:57):
and other places like that. I get it. But the
answer is not to go after the parents and put
them in jail. The answer is a confront family breakdown,
which is a root cause of this. You don't have
a father in the home and frankly very lax parenting.
But that's up to the parents. But the bigger issue

(10:21):
here take loces, their township. They pulled back on the police.
They pulled back on the police after the George Floyd
riots of twenty twenty. Black Lives Matter, they defunded the police.
They pulled back the police. When you have huge events
where there's a lot of teenagers, the police are not

(10:41):
able to come in and act as a deterrent or
go after an aggressively policed teenagers. No, they're told, your
hands are tied, you can't do anything, So why don't
you empower the police? Six one seven two six six
sixty eight sixty eight is the number. Okay, just a

(11:03):
lot of reaction from the audience. It's barely twenty minutes
into the show. A lot of you, and it's fifty
to fifty. Many of you agree with this law in
Gloucester Township and other laws like it that are now
spreading across the country, and many of you disagree with it.
So I'd love to get to the phone lines as
soon as possible. Please call in the moment they're loaded,

(11:26):
I will I want to take this to the audience
and ask all of you. There's a couple lines open
now six one seven, two, six, six, sixty eight, sixty eight.
And it's very simple. Should parents be held liable whether
you know prison sentence at ninety days stint in jail

(11:47):
or a two thousand dollars fine. Should they be jailed
or fined if their kids break the law. And I
don't mean when they're adults, I mean as miners fifteen, sixteen,
seventeen years old in Gloucester Township and now other towns
in New Jersey and in other states. The answer now
is yes, you're gonna get jailed. Now, to be fair,

(12:12):
it's not one offense. It has to be several offenses,
and then they will aggressively start putting parents in prison. Now,
to me, this is absolutely draconian. It's to me, the
very definition of authoritarianism. It strikes at the very heart
of parental authority, parental autonomy, parental rights. But that's me

(12:34):
and the very principle of personal individual responsibility. And so
just to give you an example, and this is very
common among teenagers, you know, help my nephews did this,
and again they're good guys, really, they're good boys. But
you know when they were underage and they would go
out and drink with their friends and they would go
to a campground and you know whatever, ten to fifteen

(12:58):
of them would get together and they'd light a nye
fire and you know, the beers were flowing. Now, nothing happened,
They said, no, we never were rowdy, that the police
came and arrested us. But say that the police did. Suddenly,
Now my sister and my brother in law are going
to be held responsible because they went to a public

(13:18):
place and had a campfire whatever at a campground and had,
you know, too many beers. Because remember, one of the
offenses is public drunkenness. So in other words, these teens
are drunk in public and they're gonna they're gonna, you know,
they're gonna charge them and they're gonna convict them, and
then they're gonna blame the parents. Here another one very common,

(13:39):
and it was Mike that came up with this idea.
And he's right, he's right, parents go away for vacation whatever.
So he said, you know, Jeff, the better comparison with
your son Ashton is what if you and Grace and
Ava go on a vacation a couple of days whatever.
Ashton doesn't want to go. He's fifteen, going to be
sixteen soon. No, No, I want to stay at home

(14:00):
my friends.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Dad.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
No, I want to play video games. Dad. I'm old
enough to take care of the house while you guys
are away.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Dad.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Okay, Son, I trust you. And he ends up inviting
his friends to the house and they throw one hell
of a party. Woo, and they're jumping in the pool,
They're drunk, they're blasting the music. I've seen this, by
the way, not at my house, but in a previous
when I was in DC that people beside us had

(14:26):
a party. They went out onto the street and started
drinking beer and yelling and screaming. Anyway, the cops came
to calm everything down. But you know what if the
kids go out onto the street and they start drinking
beer and you know, and singing, and the neighbors call
the police. Well in Gloucester Township, guess what. I come

(14:47):
home and suddenly hi, mister kohoner, slap on the cuffs.
I'm like, what the hell just happened?

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Here?

Speaker 1 (14:53):
They go, Well, no public drunkenness, he kept the neighbors up,
public and toxication. I mean, I'm sure they can find
all kinds of things my son did wrong. So he
broke the law. He's been arrested. Now he's pled guilty,
and guess what, this is his second offense. Now you're
gonna go to jail for ninety days. Now, as I

(15:17):
was telling Mike and Sandy, I'm sorry. Look, I did
stupid things as a teenager. Grace did stupid things as
a teenager. Teenagers do stupid things. For the most part,
it's almost the definition of being a teenager. I know
there are some that don't, but they're the exception that

(15:37):
proves the rule. Now, you don't get stricter than my
father and my mother. I'm telling you you know, May
God bless their souls. You don't get stricter than Grace's
mother and dad. Again, God bless their souls. I don't
know how much tougher parenting you want. They were strict,
they laid down the law. We knew right from wrong.

(15:59):
Teenager are stupid. That's the nature of being a teenager.
So you know, to think that you're just gonna now
hold parents responsible for the actions of their kids. We
are on a it's a dangerous precedent. I think it's
it's it's we're gonna rue the day we went down

(16:19):
this road. It is a very dangerous, slippery, slippery slope.
And to me, it's I'm telling you as a parent,
the reaction is going to be just stay home, like,
forget it. I don't need this, Just stay home because
God knows if something happens, I'm going to be held responsible. Well,
kids do need to go out, Kids need to socialize,

(16:43):
Kids need to it's called you know, they got to live.
Doesn't mean you go out and get drunk. It doesn't
mean you go out and get stoned. It doesn't mean
you assault somebody, or mug somebody, or have graffiti or
or wreck up a playground. But what I'm saying is
it's the parents are going to be so petrified that
they could be held liable for what their children have

(17:05):
done that they're just gonna say stay home, lock them up.
Like basically, this is Saudi Arabia. Is that what we want?
I don't think so. So let me ask all of you.
Should say, teenagers, your team gets involved in a big
public brawl, your son or daughter thought it was funny

(17:31):
to smoke marijuana, say on you know, at a playground
late at night, or they went out and had too
many drinks and they were publicly intoxicated, or they engaged
in quote unquote immorality. Hey, whatever that means. I guess
I don't know what the backseat of a car, okay, whatever,

(17:53):
you know, someplace in public, out of school or after hours,
or whatever, at a parking lot after hours, okay, teenagers
doing stupid things? Should you go to jail for ninety days?
Should you or should you have to pay a two
thousand dollars fine? And if you're not a parent, if

(18:18):
you don't have children, sadly made an excellent point to me,
would you look at this? Are you looking at this differently?
In other words, I know there are many people out
there just sick and tired of teen violence, teen misbehavior,
teen crime, and many of them say where are the parents?
Six one seven two six, six sixty eight sixty eight

(18:40):
is the number? Okay, please cooner country this this is
a very very important issue. It's one of these laws
that is now being adopted in states, in township, in cities,

(19:01):
in little in the towns, all across the country. You know,
a little bit here, a little bit there, but it's
almost like the advanced guard of what is to come nationally.
And so I really want to get the temperature of
the audience, all of you if you can participate, and
let me know if you think this is a good

(19:21):
idea or a bad idea. So the Kooner Country Pole
Question of the Day sponsored by Marios Marios Quality Roofing,
siding and Windows. Should parents be jailed slash fined if
their kids break the law? Now, just do you understand

(19:45):
the context. It's not one crime. It has to be
multiple crimes, sontage. You know, Jimmy breaks a window, whatever,
Jimmy vandalizes something, boom, you know you're going to go
to jail as well. No, Jimmy has to do this
several times, multiple times, arrested, multiple times, convicted. But still

(20:06):
the principle is, should parents be jailed slash find if
their kids break the law? A yes, And there are
a lot of you that are voting yes. B No.
I am a strong no. You may disagree. I'm just

(20:27):
giving you my honest opinion. I am a strong no,
but I want to hear from you. That's what matters.
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(20:49):
My handle there at the cooner report. All one word
k U h n e r at the report. Okay,
very quickly, because we're getting so much reaction on this.
This is a very good text for the other side.
This is from six one seven. You can text the

(21:11):
coooner Man seven zero four to seven zero six one seven. Jeff,
I'm sorry, but I disagree with you. I think it's
a great law and I hope we see it here
in Massachusetts, in cities and towns and eventually around the country.
Teenage violence and teenage crime is out of control, and

(21:33):
a lot of it is due, forgive me, A lot
of it is due and goes back to bad parenting.
Now parents have an incentive to finally discipline in caps
their children. If not, they're going to pay the price
as well. So there are many of you that agree

(21:53):
with this. Mark on Messenger disagrees, I mean, he really disagree. Jeff.
I'm sorry, but please explain to me how this would
be a deterrent because now a kid that doesn't give
a crap aka a problem child that has no morals,

(22:15):
will now break the law and say to himself, well,
I'm not going to get in trouble for it, but
my parents will take the wrap. It's a stupid idea,
it will never work, and ultimately it will never pass.
I mean, seriously, Jeff, do they really sit in a
room and come up with these asenine policies and ideas

(22:36):
and then Mark adds this, Jeff, can you imagine if
this was an actual nationwide law? Laugh out loud, Joe
and Jill Biden would be in prison for the rest
of their lives. I mean, oh yeah, I mean Joey,

(23:02):
you know, locking up Joey. I mean that that. I
mean he never would have been president that the poor
guy would have been in jail his entire life over
just Hunter alone, never mind the other kids. Six one seven, Yeah,
mister Biden, No, yeah, we found Hunter again with his

(23:24):
crack pipe. Son of a bee. I just I just
got out of the can man, I just got out
of the slammer. I just got out yesterday. Give me
your wrists. Slap him on again. Sorry, you're in for
another ninety ninety more days. Heather in Rockland, thanks for
holding Heather, You're gonna kick us off and welcome.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Hey, Jeffrey, thank you for taking my call out. I
have so much to say about this first comment. Thank
God I don't have children, but I cannot disagree more
with the first text that you read. This is the
most ridiculous thing. I mean, I've heard different, differ ridiculous things.
This is so wrong in so many levels. And I

(24:11):
want to know who is the stupid person that thought
of this law, because did they even think this through?
There's so much that goes into this. Yes, all right,
you know, my my sister has three boys and the
middle one is the teenager, the younger one. The older
one's older, he's twenty five, and the younger one is eight,
and the middle one is seventeen. And now Eric is

(24:34):
the sweetest kid you'd ever want to meet. But he's
a teenager. So what if he goes he's out with
his friends and his friends, you know, and him do
something stupid. So my sister's gonna get in trouble for that.
It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. It's and
my sister's a very good parent. By the way, this
really there's so many more issues to this than they're

(24:58):
trying to put a like a band aid on it,
and it's really it has nothing to do. Yes, it's
bad parenting. I will say that. I think it's bad parenting.
But a lot of this boils down to mental illness. Okay,
so you could have the parents that's mentally ill that
really can't parent, be a good parent. You are incapable
of being good parent. That's another whole issue. Then we

(25:21):
can go down the rabbit hole on that issue. And
then the kids they could you know, you could have
really good parents and have someone that's a psychopath or
a kid that has a bad mental illness. And when
these kids these times of mental illness, they don't care
about anybody else or the consequences. So the parent could

(25:44):
be a good parent and try to parent that kid
all they want, but that kid could be a bad seed.
I guess you could say. So there's so many issues
that go into this that this is so wrong on
so many levels. I mean in theory, I guess, you know,
not thinking about it. Yeah, somebody who doesn't have a
child child like may would be like, oh yeah, let's

(26:04):
do that. That sounds great. No, it's the most ridiculous thing.
I can't even imagine. I just think of my sister
and I mean with you know, with the boys, and
I'm like, and they're all, like I said, they're all
good kids, but their tea. You know, Eric's a teenager,
you know what I mean, He's gonna do stupid things.
That's what teenagers do, you know what I mean. It's
just it's just wrong. Even even that the atrocious crimes

(26:27):
that that that that that those kids did to that
that guy and that kid in in DC. I don't
think the parents should suffer for that. I mean, clearly
those kids are mentally ill. It's it's meant it comes
down to mental There's so many more things.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
To this, Heather completely right. Look, there's so many dimensions
to That's why it's a complex problem and it defies
simple solutions, right and that and liberals are always looking
for the simplest solution because to them, they they can't
you know, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be insulting,
but many of them are very low IQ just a fact,

(27:04):
and so it's either gun control or they want a
very simple solution to very complex problems. But you know, look,
we had a very good friend. She was an older
African American lady and she was raising her grandson, her child,
her daughter had a child out of wedlock. Anyway, she

(27:27):
was plagued by drug addiction. So this wonderful woman, very
dear friend of Grace. She used to work at Howard University.
She was one of the staffers there, and she befriended Grace.
They became very close friends. We'd have her over to
our house all the time. And she had a grandson
and she was the legal guardian of the grandson. And
she said, in Northeast DC, which is where they live,

(27:51):
they're such a prevalent gang culture and a drug culture
and peer pressure. Just was a god fearing Christian woman.
She took this boy to church every Sunday. She raised
him right from wrong, and he started to get caught
up in the gang lifestyle, the drug lifestyle, and she said,
I can't control him. He's sixteen seventeen, he's six foot two,

(28:15):
six foot three. So as I was just about, you know,
finishing with Heather in Rockland. So this was a wonderful woman.
She was an elderly African American woman worked at Howard
University where Grace used to teach for a while, and
we became very good friends with her. She was a grandmother.
She basically adopted or took over a legal guardianship of

(28:37):
her grandson. Her daughter had all kinds of issues. Anyway,
long story short, he was fine until about fourteen, fifteen
years old. She took him to church every Sunday. She
raised him as a god fearing Christian child and a
god fearing Christian home. She said, look, I taught him
right for wrong. I disciplined him. I told him to

(28:59):
focus on school, on academics, and then he got involved
with a bad group of friends, peer pressure, and then
eventually the gang lifestyle, the drug lifestyle, and you know,
he started coming home at one, two, three in the morning.
She goes, I yelled at him. I hit him on
the shoulder. By then, he was six foot two, six

(29:21):
foot three. I mean he was a big guy, he
was a big kid. He goes, it was nothing, you know,
My blows against his shoulder just bounced off of him.
I yelled and screamed at him, and he just wouldn't listen.
He didn't care. So it's not for lack of parenting.
It's not for lack of discipline, it's not for lack
of care, it's not for lack of effort. And then

(29:44):
she said, eventually he started to get arrested. Obviously. Now
I'm just thinking of this poor woman under that law
in New Jersey, in Gloucester Township, and other laws in
other towns. Gloucester is now highlighted in this New York
post peace. But this is a trend now that's spreading,
especially in blue states, but in states in general, but

(30:08):
especially blue states. So I'm thinking, you're going to lock
up this poor woman for ninety days because she's got
an out of control, you know child, in this case,
a grandson. You know that she's the legal guard the
caretaker of the legal guardian of I'm sorry, it's wrong.
It's wrong. Now you can blame the mother, you can

(30:30):
blame you know whatever. The circumstance is fine, But the
point is, how is this How is this woman to blame.
I'm just giving you an example. So sometimes you can
do the best for your child and they make bad decisions.
Teenagers will do stupid things, and to hold the parents

(30:52):
responsible legally, financially, that we're talking a two thousand dollars fine.
Now every time they're convicted or a three you know,
up to ninety days in jail. I mean, the consequences
of this are going to be devastating. This is a
very dangerous precedent because now you're saying people aren't responsible

(31:17):
for their actions. Other people are responsible for other people's actions.
Six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight agree, disagree. Okay,
this is from Courtney. This is what she wrote me
on messenger just about ten minutes ago. Jeff, I'm sorry,

(31:38):
but you're leaving out some context. The reason they're looking
to hold a parent or parents responsible is because some
of these parents are teaching their teens to steal cars
or whatever, theft and bring the quote unquote merch back
so they can sell the stuff and the kid won't

(31:58):
do any jail time. So how do we deal with
those cases. Well, that's a very good point, Courtney. Then
they're an accomplice. In other words, if they're encouraging their
children to break the law, steal cars, steel merchandise, deal drugs, whatever,
well then they're an accomplice. That's something different. So then

(32:21):
they should be held accomptable obviously, but if it's what
they're talking about in Gloucester Township, which is well, the
kids are brawling in school, the kids are mouthing off,
they're drinking in public, some of them are dealing drugs.
There's vandalism, there's graffiti. In other words, we can't control

(32:43):
these teenagers, and we believe because the parents aren't being
tough enough, so we're going to go after the parents. Well,
I'm sorry, you're not god. You don't know what goes
on in these homes and what the parents have done
and what they haven't done. And honestly, look, as someone
who's been a teenager, and I know all of you,
I'm sure you can remember this peer pressure is huge, huge.

(33:10):
I'll never forget this last point because I want to
go to the phone lines. I was in grade eight,
going into grade nine, and we had, you know, teacher
parent conferences, and my math teacher, mister Hogan, and I
never really put it together, but he did. He was
talking to my father and my mother and he said,

(33:30):
you know, Jeff's doing grade in school. His grades are excellent.
I love his attitude. I talked to him a lot.
I can see he's also doing well in other classes,
he said. But I'll tell you the one thing I'm
most impressed with your son. I'm like, WHOA really? What
he said? He's in with a group with a with
a good group of friends. He stays away from bad

(33:53):
influences and a bad crowd. And I never looked at
it that way. To me, they were just my friends.
I liked being with these friends. We played football together,
we played baseball together. Some of them had a love
of comic books that I had a love of, so
we shared that as well. But I never looked at
it as I'm going with a good crowd, i e.

(34:15):
A crowd that won't get into trouble. They were just
my buddies. But when he said it was like a
light bulb went off in my head, and I'm like, oh,
you know that's true. None of my buddies ever get
into trouble. I mean, you know, a little mischief here
or there, but nothing serious. And I thought of other
groups in the school where they were, you know, they

(34:38):
were already experimenting with drugs, they were drinking. These are
only thirteen fourteen year old kids, and you know they
were smashing stuff up. They were vandalizing. They were. I mean,
you could tell they were starting to go on a
bad road. And I was thinking, you know, that is
very true. Who you hang out with has a real

(34:59):
infla on you. And so that's stuck with me. But
my point is, you know, peer pressure is immense, immense
in middle school, in high school, during those teenage years.
And I'm telling you, you talk to the police in
Gloucester Township and they'll say, we can't do a thing.

(35:22):
We see potential problems, we can't. We're handcuffed, pardoned upun
we can't. We can't. You know, we see a fight's
about to develop, we can't step in. We see children
that we think are misbehaving or whatever, we can't touch them.
We can't do anything. And then once they go through
the juvenile system, no matter what they do, it's a

(35:43):
slap on the wrist because the judges won't do anything.
They can mug someone, they can assault someone, they can
deal drugs, they can they can punch a teacher. Nothing's
going to happen to them. So that's why these a
lot of these teenagers are out of control. So what now,
Because the law won't hold them accountable, You're going to

(36:04):
try to make the force to parents and hold the
parents be held accountable, toughen up the policing, and start
serious consequences for these juvenile offenders. And believe me, you're
not going to have you know, like last year five
hundred people brawling at the Gloucester township what is it

(36:26):
school day and drone day or whatever was called? Okay,
in other words, bring in the cops. Let the cops
do what the cops used to do, which is imposed
law and order. And if you do get arrested, you're
going to get the book thrown at you and you're
going to be amazed how ninety percent of all this disappears.
But that's my opinion. John, in the great state of Texas,

(36:50):
I want to hear from you. Thanks for holding.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
And welcome please, thank you for letting me bring Texas
to the conversation again. Hey, I'm pretty dog on disappointed
today and the other fifty percent that don't agree with you,
that are your audience. You know, this is just pretty
dog on obvious that this brings people, This brings our

(37:15):
country one step closer to communism. You know, this is
you know what they do and let's say North Korea.
If somebody violates the law, they just disappear your whole family.
You know, It's it's really strange that everybody's being syoped
on this. I mean, it doesn't stop. I mean where

(37:36):
would this stop. Are you going to hold the grandparents
accountable because they didn't teach their parents to raise their
kids the right way? I mean, every family has had
a black sheep in their family, and you know, and
nobody knows why. Nobody can explain it. Maybe the youngest
kid in the family turns out to be the bad one,

(37:56):
but what about the other kids. I mean, are you
really going to support locking up your mother and father
because one of your children or one of their children
go south while the three others go north. It doesn't
make sense. And I'm you took the words right out
of my mouth. I think everybody needs to start demanding

(38:16):
their legislators to force judges to enforce the consequences that
are already on the books. I mean, haven't we learned
from our mistakes in this country that when you grow government,
when you give them more power. I mean, we're supposed
to be a group here in this discussion that are
for limited government, but yet half of your audience today

(38:39):
on this issue, wants more power and give more power
to the government, and of all states, New Jersey. Really,
they're going to be a role model for conservative families.
I mean, I would expect this from the Democrat Party
because I see no difference between the Democrat Party of
today and the Communists of today. It's the same party.
It's all in one. So I mean, it's pretty logical

(39:02):
to me start demanding your legislators, force these judges not
to cut these kids a break, let them, let them,
you know, let them face the consequences. And you know
when you threw the fastball with oh what about the
what about the father that teaches their son how to
steal cars? Well, you know there's already laws on the

(39:23):
books for that too. That's called an accomplice. I mean,
it's common sense, y'all. Okay, quit giving your government more power.
When are you gonna learn? You almost had Kamala. You
if we would have had Kamala, can you imagine what
they what were This would be gone. They would disappear

(39:44):
your whole family for for your son going out and
getting drunk. You know, it just doesn't make sense. And
that's why I had to call in. Couldn't control my emotions,
had to call your number, and uh, you know, hopefully
I made an impact to somebody and believe they'll change
their mind.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Well, John, listen, you're a dynamite caller. Look here the
You're the Texas branch of Kooner Country. So please you
just keep calling in, John, You're on fire today. Absolutely
nailed it. John, Thank you so much for that call.
Let me just quickly throw a very quick log on
the fire and again tell me if you agree or disagree,

(40:21):
I want to hear from you. Six one seven two
six six sixty eight sixty eight. I think a big
part of the problem. Yes, it's family breakdown. There's no question,
there's not a father in the home. Parenting has changed.
A lot of parents are way too lax, way too
self indulgent. Uh, they're not enforcing consequences on their children.

(40:45):
The way they raise their children. There's no you know,
there's no there's no discipline in the home. There's no
sense of right and wrong in the home. There's no
respect for authority, there's no question. Okay, there's no that's
a profound cultural more problem that we're now dealing with.
But let me just give you an example when when

(41:05):
I was growing up, and I think we've really hurt
ourselves with this policing cops, how they were able and
allowed to be police officers. And I'll just give you
an example how this had an effect on my high school.
So in Canada, the drinking age is slightly different. In
the United States. It's not twenty one, it's eighteen, but

(41:26):
they do enforce it. In other words, okay, it's lower,
but it's got to be eighteen, it's not sixteen. Well,
when I went to high school, everybody wanted to start drinking.
And so now we're talking about fifteen sixteen year old kids. Okay,
not even eighteen nineteen year old kids. I mean in
fifteen sixteen year olds, they really can't hold their liquor.

(41:47):
And so on the football field, this was near the
end of the school year, and there was a group
of kids, boys and girls or whatever, men and women,
male and female, and they brought out a couple of
cases of La bat blue okay, which is very big
up there in Canada. Okay beer, and they're drinking beer

(42:09):
on the football field. You know, they're lying on the grass, laughing, joking,
drinking beer. It's public intoxication. It's against the law. It's
underage drinking. It's against the law. It's on school grounds,
it's against the law. We had a very good gym teacher.
She happened to be female, but she was a great
gym teacher. And the only reason why I'm saying female

(42:30):
is because the guys thought they could man handle her
because she wasn't a man. So she came out. She
was French Canadian. She you know, tough woman, smart woman,
brave woman. And she confronted them and she started yelling
and screaming at them, saying, you know, get off the
football field. You're not supposed to be drinking. You know,
like I'm gonna call your parents. And they laughed at her.

(42:54):
They literally laughed at her. They were making fun of her.
And you could tell by then they've already had a
couple of bottles, so you know, you could tell now
they're starting to feel good. Okay, they're getting a little rowdy.
She ended up calling the police. She ended up calling
the parents, and some of them had to come in
from work. They were still working. It was like maybe

(43:16):
three thirty three forty five in the afternoon, but they
did call in the cops. Now I remember because I
saw this right because I used to play on the
basketball team. So we had the gym, and the gym
you opened the door, there's the football field. So all
the kids were like, oh my god, the cops are
being called. So you go outside and you're like, holy mackerel.
They're like, there's like twelve fifteen of them. They're getting

(43:37):
swashed out there. I mean they're getting hammered, they're getting drunk.
So the police come. Now, this would never be allowed today.
In fact, the police would be arrested for doing what
they did. They'd lose their job, they'd lose their pension,
they'd they'd been facing jail time. The cops came in.
There was four of them, three men, one woman. They

(43:59):
walked into the football field. They looked at him and
in a very loud voice, they spoke French. In a
very loud voice, they told him get out of here,
get your ass out of here, take the beer f off,
get lost, get out of here. So we're not going
to make any arrest, just get out. Well, no, there's
a couple of punks. If you what are you gonna do?

(44:23):
You know? On and on. So what the police did was,
and I'll never forget this. He grabbed and he was
one of the biggest kids. Okay, he was by then
over six feet tall, maybe six one six two, skinny,
but six one six two. He grabbed him by the leg,
by the ankle, and you know, by the leg, by
the ankle, and he just started to yank him along

(44:46):
the grass and he said, you know, in French, it
was like stop fing around, okay, but in French, say hey,
And he just started to yank him on the grass.
And you can tell the fact that he grabbed him
and just yanked him for a couple of yards along
the grass. In other words, that he got a little

(45:08):
physical with this punk, and he was a punk. You
could tell it shocked him. It shocked this you know,
it shocked this guy. And he got up right away.
You could tell he's very embarrassed. And now he knows,
oh no, this guy's gonna arrest me like this. This
is serious, and it's going to go back to my
parents and then it's gonna get really serious. So he

(45:31):
then started to walk away, and then the others began
to disperse, and then another she was a female police officer,
grabbed one of the girls and she was also mouthing off,
and she grabbed her by the ear, just by the ear,
and just tugged on the ear a little bit and
like get your like and in French like get your
I can say, get your ass out of here. And

(45:55):
it was done. Within two minutes, they were all gone.
They were dispersed, and the people watching were like the kids,
you know us, yeaha like, good job, you know, you
finally sent them back, and god, yeah, you know whooo
you know, so they were really doubly embarrassed. But then
this happened. Some of the parents by then were coming

(46:17):
in their cars into the parking lot. They knew what
had happened. They saw what had happened. They saw that
one of their kids had been dragged by the police
officer by the leg along the grass. That another girl
had her ear puled for about ten to fifteen seconds
by a police officer. When that guy, Robbie, when Robbie,

(46:42):
the tall kid, they got dragged on the grass. When
Robbie came, his mother came to get him. When Robbie
was approaching the car, you could hear her yelling a
mile away, what are you doing? What are you doing?
They call the police, and she starts whacking him right

(47:07):
behind his head, like the back of his head. And
he was much taller than her. I mean she was
like half a size. But she's like bang, bang, bang,
like three shots to the back of the head. Get
your ass in the car. Now, wait till your father
gets home. And he's like, I'm sorry, Mom, I'm sorry, mom,
Stop it, Mom, you're embarrassing me. Stop it now. She

(47:31):
didn't chart run up to the police officer because this
is what they would do today. How dare you put
your finger on my son's leg? How dare you drag him?
What did you touched my son? I'm gonna sue you
for millions of dollars. You're never gonna work in this
town again. She reinforced the police, She backed the police. Now,

(47:58):
she didn't thank the police because he was so mad.
She was like, you can tell she was seeing red.
She went into her car and drove off. But my
point is all of those kids, they were trum. I mean,
I'm telling you they that guy got spanked when he
got home, when daddy got home. This guy was in
big trouble. Now, yeah, he was a problem child for

(48:19):
a while. In high school. He ended up graduating college,
had a great job. This guy Robbie, all of them
ended up. You know, you meet him afterwards, you go, hey,
what does this person do? What is this person doing.
I'm not saying they're brain surgeons, but they all ended
up going to college or getting a trade, and they
all became good, law abiding citizens. And they were taught

(48:42):
to fear their parents and to fear authority and to
respect authority, and yes, to fear and respect the police.
Like I'm telling you right now, if that was me
on the grass and I'm showing off in front of
my friends and I'm drinking beer I never drank, but
just follow me here, and I'm mouthing off to a

(49:04):
police officer acting fresh, I'm not going to get up.
What the hell are you? Blank? You? You know, and
a police officer dragged me along the grass, or even
if you just slapped me in the face, and my
father found out that they had to call the cops
and that I was so unruly and disrespectful that a

(49:25):
cops slapped me in the face or dragged me along
the grass, He'd kill me. I'm telling you, my father
would go berserk. My father would be like, you know,
we went through concentration camps for you to make a
fool out of my family, our family, so that you
know that you know, a cop had to slap you

(49:46):
or whatever. You know, they had to call the police,
the police. I mean, it would have been World War
three in the house. I'm telling you. So, my point
just being there was a respect for police officers when
they came, everything dispersed and when they took action to

(50:11):
make their point.