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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Six one seven two six, sixty eight sixty eight lines
are blazing. Let's go to Tanya in Boston. Tanya, thanks
for holding and welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hi. I'm calling you first time. My name is Tanya.
I am Ukrainian. I live a lot of years here.
Sorry for my pronunciation. I just want to say forty
four percent voted for mister Trump, Ukrainian, Ukrainian here and
(00:33):
the hope for him. That's that will be finished with
this word, with this everything now now. Yesterday President said
his Salid weapon now they give free. She sell it
to NATO, and NATO decided this is not for free.
(00:54):
Now for Ukraine. If I understand, are a third Uh,
mister Jeff, you times to times unleasting to you, you
know when I have the time and driving, Uh you said,
and all the time that is part of Ukraine. Always
(01:15):
was Russia. This is not true, This is not true.
That never was Russia. That's Ukrainian. The first was Ukrainian
country and Ukrainian builded Russia. Russia was water and mad.
And you know, I think you know history very well,
(01:36):
you know better than me because you know when we
live it. So it's union. It was completely different. Everything
and history completely different. You don't know even very well history.
Now we take it everything, and you know what we
need to the president truck need to stop this world,
(01:58):
hundreds millions people around the world. What they're gonna do.
Why the Russia need to take it? Ukraine? Why this
is completely different country, completely different. We have different opinions
than Russia. People, completely different, completely Why isn't it this
(02:20):
is Ukraine, this is my heart. This is not true.
This is not true.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
No, Tanya, no, Look, I understand where you're coming from.
I do no, No, Tanya, Please, I promise I'll give
you all the time in the world to speak, so
I understand where you're coming from. You said that forty
four percent of Ukrainian Americans voted for Trump, that Trump
is not giving Ukraine the weapons, He's selling them the
weapons through NATO. Ukraine is getting them for free because
(02:48):
the NATO countries are going to give them to Ukraine.
Now look, Tanya, this is the question I have for you.
I understand if I'm a Ukrainian, I understand that I
don't want to give an inch to Russia. I understand
you want to fight Russia. I understand, but I'm not
asking you as a Ukrainian. I'm asking you a different question.
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How is this in the interests of the United States?
Why should we continue to send weapons to Ukraine to
sanction Russia, to get ourselves even more involved in that
war when we have so many other problems here and
with China. In other words, why should I, as an
(03:33):
American citizen, why should I continue to care about the
war in Ukraine? How does this affect the United States?
What is your answer?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Right?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I try?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You mean a time first?
Speaker 5 (03:51):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
That throng people. I don't be simple, strong people. All
this needs to help you know. That's that's that's that's
your life. America is strong anyway. In nineteen after Soviet
Union nineteen nineteen one, Ukraine was a rich country. Have
(04:16):
two thousand nuclear weapons. If you know that, two thousand
nuclear I don't know bomb or I don't know rocket,
I don't know how that called.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, nuclear missiles. And then the Ukrainians. I know this
very well. I in fact, I wrote a column about
this in the Washington Times. I said, Ukraine is going
to rue the day they gave up all of their
nuclear weapons and they gave them back to Russia. And
I said that was the biggest mistake Ukraine ever made.
And you know what Ukrainians said to me, Tanya, you
(04:46):
say that, you know they laughed at me. And you
know why they laughed at me because they said, Ukrainians
and Russians are brothers. They's Orthodox Slavic brothers. That's what
Ukrainians told me, not Russians, Ukrainians and said there will
never be war between Russia and Ukraine. And I said,
you guys are crazy. And you guys and Ukraine gave
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up its nuclear weapons. And if Tanya, if you're very honest,
most Ukrainian politicians, this was under Kraftchuk, Leonett Kraftchuk, I
know the whole thing. He was corrupt. He took money,
just like his successor Kuchma took money. So the Russians
bribed Ukrainian leaders. They were bribing them literally in Ukraine,
(05:32):
in Kiv with suitcases full of cash. While they were
going to the toilet in the urinal they would just
drop off. Russian agents would just drop off literally suitcases
full of cash. So you have to ask yourself, for
thirty years, what did Ukrainians do? Did you build up
your military yet? Did you build up your country's economy yet?
(05:59):
What did you do? You had politicians one after another
who sold Ukraine out to the highest bidder, and then
you push NATO onto Russia. That's what Zelenski did, knowing
full well that the Russians would never accept it. And
now you have a major war on your hands. And
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I understand you're very angry. I don't blame you, but
what has Zelenski done? Ask yourself this question as a
Ukrainian three hundred do you know what three hundred and
fifty billion dollars is? Ukraine should have taken Moscow with
three hundred and fifty billion dollars. Instead, he and his cronies,
like all Ukrainian politicians, they stole the money and poor
(06:46):
Ukrainian boys are fighting and dying on the front lines.
Those are patriots and these politicians in Kiev. Sixty one
seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight is the number,
just to wrap up up my back and forth with Tanya.
And I really appreciate Tanya that you called, and please
feel free to call again. Six one seven two six
(07:08):
six sixty eight sixty eight since its independence in nineteen
ninety one. Okay, I'll give it to you in ten seconds.
Every successive administration from the first all the way to Zelenski,
it's been unbroken, has been plagued by massive corruption, bribery,
(07:29):
money laundering, and embezzlement. And that's why so much of
the money was stolen, because you know, the Ukrainian people,
I feel sorry for them, have been governed by crooks
for the last thirty years. They've been governed by crooks.
And they sold everything there is to sell about their country.
They sold their countries oil and natural gas, they sold
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their minerals, they sold away their nuclear weapons, they sold everything.
And of course they stole so much of the taxpayer money,
the budget the government coffers, so there was nothing there
to build Ukraine's military or to build a modern, thriving
Western style economy. And so when war finally came between
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Russia and Ukraine, the Ukrainians were not prepared. And now
they're completely dependent upon handouts from Europe, NATO and the
United States. And even with their backs against the wall,
with Putin now gobbling up large chunks of their country
and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians dying, look
(08:37):
how those gangsters in Kiev, Zelenski and his kabal have
been stealing, I mean just robbing the Ukrainian people blind.
As I said Titanya, you put in the three hundred
and fifty billion dollars that we gave to Ukraine military
financial aid, plus the one hundred two hundred billion that
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the EU and NATO have given to the Ukrainians, that's
over five hundred that's a half a trillion dollars. They
should have taken Moscow. The problem is when they steal
so much again, not the people, I'm talking about the elites,
the government, that's the problem. They stole so much that
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the Ukraine had just enough to defend itself, but not
enough to win the war. Well I'm sorry, but enough
is enough now. If three hundred and fifty four hundred,
five hundred billion has not been enough to defeat the Russians,
what another ten fifteen to twenty billion is going to
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do it? Stop the fighting now, get a peace deal
and the war and the killing and the slaughter, and
you can save still most of Ukraine, and it can
be part of the European Union and it can be
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part of Europe. But the longer this war goes on,
more Russians will die, more Ukrainians will die. And in
the end, Ukraine will not regain the territory it has
lost in the East. Agree, disagree? Let me just play
this cut because I want to get your reaction. President
(10:26):
Trump was not just saber rattling, but literally rattling a
nuclear saber when he met with NATO's secretary General. And
so the question was posed, if it all works out
as you plan, mister president, and the economic sanctions and
the tariffs, and these new weapons that have been sold
(10:49):
to the to NATO to give to Ukraine, if the
weapons package, if it, you know, can you get is
putin reasonable enough to come to the negotiating to will
agree to a cease fire and sign a deal. Listen
now to Trump almost threatened putin with nuclear blackmail. Roll
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cut four A A mic.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah, I think we're gonna get it done. I think Look,
he uh, this is a very powerful situation. You have
very wealthy countries buying the best equipment in the world,
and we have the best equipment in the world. We
make equipment like no other. You know, our submarines, nuclear
submarines is so powerful, their most powerful weapon ever built.
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And we have the best in the world. By the
twenty years behind twenty five years behind us. We have
the greatest equipment anywhere in the world. I just hope
we don't have to use it.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I mean war, So it's a shot across Putin's bow.
You know, We're not just sending Ukraine our best weapons,
our most advanced weapons, and you know you the Russians
are twenty twenty five years behind what we have. But
we've got these devastating nuclear submarines that are unbeatable, invincible,
and I just you know, wink wink, I just hope
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we don't have to use it now. This is the
kind of nuclear brinkmanship that makes me honestly very nervous
because the last thing we need, Europe needs, Ukraine needs,
and Russia needs is a nuclear war. So again, that's
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why I want a peace deal, and I want it now.
And if both Suards aren't willing to have a peace deal,
then Trump should wash his hands, walk away and let
them fight it out. Agree, disagree, Rob in Roode Island,
Thanks for holding Rob, and welcome.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
To speak with you. Just for the record, full disclosure.
I love you, but just not in the sense of
a prison in me.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Now.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Listen, Jeff, for decades, Russia has told the world, we
want to be part of the world economy. We don't
want conflict. We just don't want NATO on our front step.
And what did we do they eat? The Russians told
the United States that they told NATO, they told the
UN everybody. But we push and push and push. That's
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point number one. Now what do we have. We have
a conflict directly resulting from pushing and pushing trying to
push you to Ukraine into NATO. Now point number two.
Two weeks ago, Jeff, I watched a documentary that was
produced by the agency front Line, and I think they
do a good job of several documentaries and with this
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documentary was about It was about three exturing plants in
the United States that were building weapons the Ukraine. They
were in the plants, they interviewed the CEOs on the floor,
they gave the location of the plants, they walked through
these you know, through the manufacturing facility, and showed the weapons.
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And at the end of this documentary they listed the
inventory that we have sold or given I should say,
to the Ukraine and what their specific capabilities were. So
here's the problem I have with Biden and now with Trump.
They can't shut up about what we're giving them. No
one should know what we're giving them or what we're
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selling them. Can you imagine, for one moment, if a
documentary was made in Iran that gave the location of
the weapons manufacturing plants, what weapons they were making, and
that they were supplying to the Taliban to specifically kill Americans,
what would be the Americans response to that? Those manufacturing
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plants would be gone into twenty four hours. So it's
okay for the United States to do this, the publicize
to the world, here's all our high tech weapons. We're
going to send them to wherever we're sending them for
the sole purpose of intervening, knowing that these weapons are
made to specifically target and kill Russians and not of
the deterrent anymore. The deterrent days are over. But if
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Iran did that or Afghanistan did that with their people
producing weapons and showing the world we're making these weapons
specifically designed to go after the Americans, what would happen?
So my point is our elected officials cannot keep their
mouths shut. The manufacturing and supply of weapons around the
world should be completely covert, completely top secret, and we
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should not be speaking about this in public, you know,
specifically when it's going to drag us deeper and deeper
into a conflict with a guy like Plutin.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. And I mean, really, there's nothing I
can add to that, just a quick exclamation point because Mike,
you know, I don't know why Mike loves to cut
me off. He lives to cut me off. So, as
I was saying to Rob, just my concluding comment, the
older I get, the more anti war I get. I
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got to be very honest with you. I'm I'm not
saying I'm a pacifist, obviously not. I believe in self defense,
and I believe sometimes the use of military force is
absolutely necessary to defend the national interest or the national
security of the United States. But increasingly I'm getting more
and more and more anti war when I see the
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horrific consequences of war, when I see how rich people
get off of wars, what a scam it really is
in so many ways. And I just to me, I,
you know, as Churchill said, it is always better to
jaw jaw, meaning talk, than to war war war. So
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that's why I, you know, I hope that the fighting
ends quickly and that this war in Ukraine wraps up
because for the sake of both Ukrainians and Russians, there's
been enough dying. I mean to last the generation. So no,
I'm an anti war conservative and I'm a proud anti
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war conservative six one seven two six six sixty eight
sixty eight Chris in Witchingdon. Thanks for holding Chris, and welcome.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
You know. US politicians and others ascerbated conditions of war
by meddling, destabilizing Ukraine and Maidan in twenty thirteen and
fourteen and democratically elected Ukrainian government. Then the Ukrainian government
commenced shelling and attacking their own citizenry in the eastern
Ukraine the Dawn Bass. So these Ukrainians who were living
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in cellars and burying their dead young and old in
parks and front lawns, appealed to putin for relief from
the blood letting, and then troops responded from Russia. Now
Zelenski suspended free elections uses our US taxpayers are paying
salaries and retirements of Ukrainian bureaucrats and workers. Therefore, since
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he suspended elections, perhaps we should consider sanctions on Ukraine.
I believed deeply when I served in the Boomer submarine
in the military that we were minimizing the chances of
a war with Russia. I believe deeply in and took
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great pride in that, And that's why I take offense
right now. I had time to contemplate the unthinkable. We're
now sleep walking through a house of whorors led by
somebody wearing a suit in NATO. I'm not loyal to NATO.
This is not worth it. If I could go back
and I could eliminate.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
The World War One and World War two.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Wouldn't we do it? The millions of civilians, not just
uniform people that were killed the government the globalists want
who are not democratically elected the globalists or not. The
eu is not want Putin out, even if they they
risk thermonuclear nightmare. Let's get out of this house of
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whorors before we experience nightmarish death and plague upon millions
of civilians and including innocent children. And am I of
the only Cold War veteran who feels betrayed by following
the NATO pied piper leading us to a very gloomy prospect, Sir.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
No Chris, There's many like you. There are many many
like you. And look, I think we made a fatal
mistake when the Cold War ended. Remember what was the
reason for NATO. The reason for NATO was to check
the Warsaw Pact and the Soviet Union. Okay, Soviet Russia communism. Well,
the Warsaw Pact is gone, long gone, and the Soviet
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Union is long gone. I think NATO is obsolete. I
know what I mean. It's a minority view, but I'm
just speaking from the heart. I think NATO is obsolete,
and I think we should get rid of NATO, or
at a bare minimum, the United States should get out
of NATO because they've been freeloading off of our back
for a long time. But you're right, we are dangerously
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escalating the situation with Russia. We didn't learn the lesson
from the Cold War, which was to avoid nuclear war
at all costs. And you know, you mentioned the litany
of things that Zelenski has done wrong. I agree, but
he's also cracked down on all dissent in the media.
There is no opposition to Zelenski in the media. Journalists
have been thrown in jail, he arrested priests, he's closed
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down churches and monasteries. The man is a dictator now, Chris,
you know I don't want to quibble. I just don't
believe in sanctions anymore on either side. To me, I'm like,
no more sanctions on Russia, no sanctions on Ukraine. And
you know it's enough now. You want to continue to
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slaughter each other, go ahead. You know it's up to you.
It's your funeral.
Six one seven two six, sixty eight sixty eight lines
are blazing. Let's go to Tanya in Boston. Tanya, thanks
for holding and welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hi. I'm calling you first time. My name is Tanya.
I am Ukrainian. I live a lot of years here.
Sorry for my pronunciation. I just want to say forty
four percent voted for mister Trump, Ukrainian, Ukrainian here and
(00:33):
the hope for him. That's that will be finished with
this word, with this everything now now. Yesterday President said
his Salid weapon now they give free. She sell it
to NATO, and NATO decided this is not for free.
(00:54):
Now for Ukraine. If I understand, are a third Uh,
mister Jeff, you times to times unleasting to you, you
know when I have the time and driving, Uh you said,
and all the time that is part of Ukraine. Always
(01:15):
was Russia. This is not true, This is not true.
That never was Russia. That's Ukrainian. The first was Ukrainian
country and Ukrainian builded Russia. Russia was water and mad.
And you know, I think you know history very well,
(01:36):
you know better than me because you know when we
live it. So it's union. It was completely different. Everything
and history completely different. You don't know even very well history.
Now we take it everything, and you know what we
need to the president truck need to stop this world,
(01:58):
hundreds millions people around the world. What they're gonna do.
Why the Russia need to take it? Ukraine? Why this
is completely different country, completely different. We have different opinions
than Russia. People, completely different, completely Why isn't it this
(02:20):
is Ukraine, this is my heart. This is not true.
This is not true.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
No, Tanya, no, Look, I understand where you're coming from.
I do no, No, Tanya, Please, I promise I'll give
you all the time in the world to speak, so
I understand where you're coming from. You said that forty
four percent of Ukrainian Americans voted for Trump, that Trump
is not giving Ukraine the weapons, He's selling them the
weapons through NATO. Ukraine is getting them for free because
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the NATO countries are going to give them to Ukraine.
Now look, Tanya, this is the question I have for you.
I understand if I'm a Ukrainian, I understand that I
don't want to give an inch to Russia. I understand
you want to fight Russia. I understand, but I'm not
asking you as a Ukrainian. I'm asking you a different question.
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How is this in the interests of the United States?
Why should we continue to send weapons to Ukraine to
sanction Russia, to get ourselves even more involved in that
war when we have so many other problems here and
with China. In other words, why should I, as an
(03:33):
American citizen, why should I continue to care about the
war in Ukraine? How does this affect the United States?
What is your answer?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Right?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I try?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
You mean a time first?
Speaker 5 (03:51):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
That throng people. I don't be simple, strong people. All
this needs to help you know. That's that's that's that's
your life. America is strong anyway. In nineteen after Soviet
Union nineteen nineteen one, Ukraine was a rich country. Have
(04:16):
two thousand nuclear weapons. If you know that, two thousand
nuclear I don't know bomb or I don't know rocket,
I don't know how that called.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, nuclear missiles. And then the Ukrainians. I know this
very well. I in fact, I wrote a column about
this in the Washington Times. I said, Ukraine is going
to rue the day they gave up all of their
nuclear weapons and they gave them back to Russia. And
I said that was the biggest mistake Ukraine ever made.
And you know what Ukrainians said to me, Tanya, you
(04:46):
say that, you know they laughed at me. And you
know why they laughed at me because they said, Ukrainians
and Russians are brothers. They's Orthodox Slavic brothers. That's what
Ukrainians told me, not Russians, Ukrainians and said there will
never be war between Russia and Ukraine. And I said,
you guys are crazy. And you guys and Ukraine gave
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up its nuclear weapons. And if Tanya, if you're very honest,
most Ukrainian politicians, this was under Kraftchuk, Leonett Kraftchuk, I
know the whole thing. He was corrupt. He took money,
just like his successor Kuchma took money. So the Russians
bribed Ukrainian leaders. They were bribing them literally in Ukraine,
(05:32):
in Kiv with suitcases full of cash. While they were
going to the toilet in the urinal they would just
drop off. Russian agents would just drop off literally suitcases
full of cash. So you have to ask yourself, for
thirty years, what did Ukrainians do? Did you build up
your military yet? Did you build up your country's economy yet?
(05:59):
What did you do? You had politicians one after another
who sold Ukraine out to the highest bidder, and then
you push NATO onto Russia. That's what Zelenski did, knowing
full well that the Russians would never accept it. And
now you have a major war on your hands. And
(06:19):
I understand you're very angry. I don't blame you, but
what has Zelenski done? Ask yourself this question as a
Ukrainian three hundred do you know what three hundred and
fifty billion dollars is? Ukraine should have taken Moscow with
three hundred and fifty billion dollars. Instead, he and his cronies,
like all Ukrainian politicians, they stole the money and poor
(06:46):
Ukrainian boys are fighting and dying on the front lines.
Those are patriots and these politicians in Kiev. Sixty one
seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight is the number,
just to wrap up up my back and forth with Tanya.
And I really appreciate Tanya that you called, and please
feel free to call again. Six one seven two six
(07:08):
six sixty eight sixty eight since its independence in nineteen
ninety one. Okay, I'll give it to you in ten seconds.
Every successive administration from the first all the way to Zelenski,
it's been unbroken, has been plagued by massive corruption, bribery,
(07:29):
money laundering, and embezzlement. And that's why so much of
the money was stolen, because you know, the Ukrainian people,
I feel sorry for them, have been governed by crooks
for the last thirty years. They've been governed by crooks.
And they sold everything there is to sell about their country.
They sold their countries oil and natural gas, they sold
(07:51):
their minerals, they sold away their nuclear weapons, they sold everything.
And of course they stole so much of the taxpayer money,
the budget the government coffers, so there was nothing there
to build Ukraine's military or to build a modern, thriving
Western style economy. And so when war finally came between
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Russia and Ukraine, the Ukrainians were not prepared. And now
they're completely dependent upon handouts from Europe, NATO and the
United States. And even with their backs against the wall,
with Putin now gobbling up large chunks of their country
and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians dying, look
(08:37):
how those gangsters in Kiev, Zelenski and his kabal have
been stealing, I mean just robbing the Ukrainian people blind.
As I said Titanya, you put in the three hundred
and fifty billion dollars that we gave to Ukraine military
financial aid, plus the one hundred two hundred billion that
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the EU and NATO have given to the Ukrainians, that's
over five hundred that's a half a trillion dollars. They
should have taken Moscow. The problem is when they steal
so much again, not the people, I'm talking about the elites,
the government, that's the problem. They stole so much that
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the Ukraine had just enough to defend itself, but not
enough to win the war. Well I'm sorry, but enough
is enough now. If three hundred and fifty four hundred,
five hundred billion has not been enough to defeat the Russians,
what another ten fifteen to twenty billion is going to
(09:43):
do it? Stop the fighting now, get a peace deal
and the war and the killing and the slaughter, and
you can save still most of Ukraine, and it can
be part of the European Union and it can be
(10:04):
part of Europe. But the longer this war goes on,
more Russians will die, more Ukrainians will die. And in
the end, Ukraine will not regain the territory it has
lost in the East. Agree, disagree? Let me just play
this cut because I want to get your reaction. President
(10:26):
Trump was not just saber rattling, but literally rattling a
nuclear saber when he met with NATO's secretary General. And
so the question was posed, if it all works out
as you plan, mister president, and the economic sanctions and
the tariffs, and these new weapons that have been sold
(10:49):
to the to NATO to give to Ukraine, if the
weapons package, if it, you know, can you get is
putin reasonable enough to come to the negotiating to will
agree to a cease fire and sign a deal. Listen
now to Trump almost threatened putin with nuclear blackmail. Roll
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cut four A A mic.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah, I think we're gonna get it done. I think Look,
he uh, this is a very powerful situation. You have
very wealthy countries buying the best equipment in the world,
and we have the best equipment in the world. We
make equipment like no other. You know, our submarines, nuclear
submarines is so powerful, their most powerful weapon ever built.
(11:42):
And we have the best in the world. By the
twenty years behind twenty five years behind us. We have
the greatest equipment anywhere in the world. I just hope
we don't have to use it.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I mean war, So it's a shot across Putin's bow.
You know, We're not just sending Ukraine our best weapons,
our most advanced weapons, and you know you the Russians
are twenty twenty five years behind what we have. But
we've got these devastating nuclear submarines that are unbeatable, invincible,
and I just you know, wink wink, I just hope
(12:17):
we don't have to use it now. This is the
kind of nuclear brinkmanship that makes me honestly very nervous
because the last thing we need, Europe needs, Ukraine needs,
and Russia needs is a nuclear war. So again, that's
(12:39):
why I want a peace deal, and I want it now.
And if both Suards aren't willing to have a peace deal,
then Trump should wash his hands, walk away and let
them fight it out. Agree, disagree, Rob in Roode Island,
Thanks for holding Rob, and welcome.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
To speak with you. Just for the record, full disclosure.
I love you, but just not in the sense of
a prison in me.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Now.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Listen, Jeff, for decades, Russia has told the world, we
want to be part of the world economy. We don't
want conflict. We just don't want NATO on our front step.
And what did we do they eat? The Russians told
the United States that they told NATO, they told the
UN everybody. But we push and push and push. That's
(13:33):
point number one. Now what do we have. We have
a conflict directly resulting from pushing and pushing trying to
push you to Ukraine into NATO. Now point number two.
Two weeks ago, Jeff, I watched a documentary that was
produced by the agency front Line, and I think they
do a good job of several documentaries and with this
(13:54):
documentary was about It was about three exturing plants in
the United States that were building weapons the Ukraine. They
were in the plants, they interviewed the CEOs on the floor,
they gave the location of the plants, they walked through
these you know, through the manufacturing facility, and showed the weapons.
(14:16):
And at the end of this documentary they listed the
inventory that we have sold or given I should say,
to the Ukraine and what their specific capabilities were. So
here's the problem I have with Biden and now with Trump.
They can't shut up about what we're giving them. No
one should know what we're giving them or what we're
(14:38):
selling them. Can you imagine, for one moment, if a
documentary was made in Iran that gave the location of
the weapons manufacturing plants, what weapons they were making, and
that they were supplying to the Taliban to specifically kill Americans,
what would be the Americans response to that? Those manufacturing
(14:59):
plants would be gone into twenty four hours. So it's
okay for the United States to do this, the publicize
to the world, here's all our high tech weapons. We're
going to send them to wherever we're sending them for
the sole purpose of intervening, knowing that these weapons are
made to specifically target and kill Russians and not of
the deterrent anymore. The deterrent days are over. But if
(15:23):
Iran did that or Afghanistan did that with their people
producing weapons and showing the world we're making these weapons
specifically designed to go after the Americans, what would happen?
So my point is our elected officials cannot keep their
mouths shut. The manufacturing and supply of weapons around the
world should be completely covert, completely top secret, and we
(15:47):
should not be speaking about this in public, you know,
specifically when it's going to drag us deeper and deeper
into a conflict with a guy like Plutin.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. And I mean, really, there's nothing I
can add to that, just a quick exclamation point because Mike,
you know, I don't know why Mike loves to cut
me off. He lives to cut me off. So, as
I was saying to Rob, just my concluding comment, the
older I get, the more anti war I get. I
(16:19):
got to be very honest with you. I'm I'm not
saying I'm a pacifist, obviously not. I believe in self defense,
and I believe sometimes the use of military force is
absolutely necessary to defend the national interest or the national
security of the United States. But increasingly I'm getting more
and more and more anti war when I see the
(16:40):
horrific consequences of war, when I see how rich people
get off of wars, what a scam it really is
in so many ways. And I just to me, I,
you know, as Churchill said, it is always better to
jaw jaw, meaning talk, than to war war war. So
(17:06):
that's why I, you know, I hope that the fighting
ends quickly and that this war in Ukraine wraps up
because for the sake of both Ukrainians and Russians, there's
been enough dying. I mean to last the generation. So no,
I'm an anti war conservative and I'm a proud anti
(17:27):
war conservative six one seven two six six sixty eight
sixty eight Chris in Witchingdon. Thanks for holding Chris, and welcome.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
You know. US politicians and others ascerbated conditions of war
by meddling, destabilizing Ukraine and Maidan in twenty thirteen and
fourteen and democratically elected Ukrainian government. Then the Ukrainian government
commenced shelling and attacking their own citizenry in the eastern
Ukraine the Dawn Bass. So these Ukrainians who were living
(18:02):
in cellars and burying their dead young and old in
parks and front lawns, appealed to putin for relief from
the blood letting, and then troops responded from Russia. Now
Zelenski suspended free elections uses our US taxpayers are paying
salaries and retirements of Ukrainian bureaucrats and workers. Therefore, since
(18:26):
he suspended elections, perhaps we should consider sanctions on Ukraine.
I believed deeply when I served in the Boomer submarine
in the military that we were minimizing the chances of
a war with Russia. I believe deeply in and took
(18:47):
great pride in that, And that's why I take offense
right now. I had time to contemplate the unthinkable. We're
now sleep walking through a house of whorors led by
somebody wearing a suit in NATO. I'm not loyal to NATO.
This is not worth it. If I could go back
and I could eliminate.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
The World War One and World War two.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Wouldn't we do it? The millions of civilians, not just
uniform people that were killed the government the globalists want
who are not democratically elected the globalists or not. The
eu is not want Putin out, even if they they
risk thermonuclear nightmare. Let's get out of this house of
(19:31):
whorors before we experience nightmarish death and plague upon millions
of civilians and including innocent children. And am I of
the only Cold War veteran who feels betrayed by following
the NATO pied piper leading us to a very gloomy prospect, Sir.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
No Chris, There's many like you. There are many many
like you. And look, I think we made a fatal
mistake when the Cold War ended. Remember what was the
reason for NATO. The reason for NATO was to check
the Warsaw Pact and the Soviet Union. Okay, Soviet Russia communism. Well,
the Warsaw Pact is gone, long gone, and the Soviet
(20:16):
Union is long gone. I think NATO is obsolete. I
know what I mean. It's a minority view, but I'm
just speaking from the heart. I think NATO is obsolete,
and I think we should get rid of NATO, or
at a bare minimum, the United States should get out
of NATO because they've been freeloading off of our back
for a long time. But you're right, we are dangerously
(20:38):
escalating the situation with Russia. We didn't learn the lesson
from the Cold War, which was to avoid nuclear war
at all costs. And you know, you mentioned the litany
of things that Zelenski has done wrong. I agree, but
he's also cracked down on all dissent in the media.
There is no opposition to Zelenski in the media. Journalists
have been thrown in jail, he arrested priests, he's closed
(21:02):
down churches and monasteries. The man is a dictator now, Chris,
you know I don't want to quibble. I just don't
believe in sanctions anymore on either side. To me, I'm like,
no more sanctions on Russia, no sanctions on Ukraine. And
you know it's enough now. You want to continue to
(21:22):
slaughter each other, go ahead. You know it's up to you.
It's your funeral.
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