Is the Shutdown Part of a Plan?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight,
Tom in Framingham, Thanks for holding Tom, and welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hi, Jeff.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
I got a couple of things I want to talk about.
One quick one is peripheral to your first topic, and
that's Judge Karen Emmergutt. She's a judge who ruled that
Trump couldn't send National Guard troops from other states into Oregons.
That's right, she was, as you know, she was a
Trump appointee in twenty nineteen. Now how did that happen?

(00:35):
The reason she she got appointed was the blue slip
and that Lindsey Graham went to Trump and said, I
think Widen and the other guy will, I think we
can live with her, and I think Widen and the
other guy will will approve of her. So here's an

(00:56):
example where the blue slip is. This blue slip is
biting Republican presidents because they've got to, uh, they've got
to they've got to appoint judges that meet the approval
of the Democratic senators in the statement, However, I don't
think it's it's actually working the other way, and it's
again ancidentally, grassly worse than anything that swappy, that swappy

(01:24):
old Senile Grassley has to Uh. He's a big supporter
of the Blue Slip. In other words, you won't let
anyone through judiciary unless they meet the approval of the
two state senators and that includes uh, that includes US
attorneys too. That's why they couldn't get Alina Hobbit through
in New Jersey. Second point, My second point is, uh,

(01:50):
you know these pronouncements that the Trump administration makes about
who's a terrorist and who isn't you know they declared
anti for a terrorism group. Now Antifa is openly harassing citizens,
endangering ice, you know, shooting at and in sieging ice buildings,

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and they've yet to do anything about it.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I guess he's.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Sending in troops now. But in my book, that's not
even enough. And and again I agree with you one
hundred percent on Bondie. Well, Bondi's well, Bondi has made
some progress in firing some of the Rottenside do OJ,
she hasn't done enough. And right now, you know, right

(02:39):
now Trump Trump really should invoke this Insurrection Act. But
Bondie should be Bondie should be working on arrest warrants
for police chiefs who failed to protect the citizenry. Of
those of those cities and states and even the mayors,

(03:01):
because right now Trump's looking like a little bit, a
little bit of a blustery paper tiger, and then he's
he's making Antifa a terrorist group. And Antifa on television
is openly doing these things and getting away with it.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Oh, I mean, they're Look, they're busting people's heads open
right there on TV. And it's not just that they're
doing it on TV in front of the camera, they're
doing it right in front of the cops, the Portland police,
and the Portland Police are not arresting them. In fact,
they're arresting the people whose heads they're breaking in. You
can't make this up. So Antifa, look, Antifa, their slogan is,

(03:40):
which is what they chant all the time, whose streets
are streets? And they're basically letting it be known we
run downtown Portland. That's it. It's like a militia in
a third world country. It's like, that's what they are.
They're a Marxist militia, that's what they alter. I mean,
militias are terrorist organizations, but they're a mark exist communist

(04:01):
anarchist militia and they operate with impunity. So and the
police have been told to cower and to stand down,
and that's what they do. Now. Look, either Trump has
teeth or he doesn't. Either his you know, his executive
orders mean something, or they don't either when he Look,

(04:22):
the president of the United States of America has designated
a violent, radical left wing group that has been involved
in rioting, burning, looting, murder, extortion, attacking literally physically attacking
a federal law enforcement, destroying and burning buildings, courthouses, police stations,

(04:49):
and they're walking the streets of Portland, and everyone's afraid
of them. So if he doesn't act, look, it's going
to embolden even more resistance and more of this kind
of anarchy and political terrorism and political violence. So I'm
with you all the way. And look, they think they're untouchable,

(05:14):
and I'm sorry, but look, you need an attorney general
that is not afraid to be controversial, that is not
afraid to be hated by the media or the Democratic Party.
This is a war. I don't want it to be
a hot war, but we are now in a political, ideological,

(05:34):
cultural civil war which is starting to turn hot. And
by the way, I'm not the only one saying this.
Now many are saying this, and it's all coming from
the Democratic Party, all of it. And so you know,
you go on about the blue slip. Notice, it's always
one way with these people.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Democrats never go say and if they want to appoint
a judge in Alabama, they don't ask for the approval
of the two conservative Republicans from Alabama. They go, screw you,
We're appointing this person. And that's it. It's going to
be a left wing Democrat act. Take it or leave it,
we don't care. So it's always one way. Now, if

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you're in a political war, and I believe we are
in a political war, well I'm sorry, then you're stupid
if you keep trying to compromise with an enemy that
now has showed themselves that they so hate us that
they fantasize about murdering us, and they're increasingly becoming violent.

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They're assassinating us, they're fire bombing us, they're assaulting us,
they're persecuting us, they're attacking us. Now, to prevent more violence,
that's the point, you have to invoke the Insurrection Act.
You have to restore public order, law and order, and no,

(07:02):
I don't believe in coincidences I'm giving you my honest opinion.
They shut the government down, and they coordinated with these
mayors and these governors, and they said, no, now you're
going to foment even more rebellion, more insurrection, and you're
gonna suck Trump in, and we're going to go after
these National Guard troops and we're going to go after

(07:22):
Ice because they want to see violence. Look, they want
to instigate or incite a massacre because then they believe
they can turn everything against Trump. So Trump's got to
be forceful, but careful and calibrated. And where's Pam BONDI

(07:43):
I don't know. I think we have the answer to
why the Democrats want to restore three point six million
dollars and US taxpayer funding for male prostitutes in Haiti
to teach them cooking classes. My sister texted me, Jeff,
I don't think you understand cooking cats requires a lot

(08:08):
of technique. So I maybe it's to help them with
the you know, they like to eat cats in parts
of Haiti. Maybe I don't know, Maybe that's what it is.
I but you know, that's the best explanation I've heard
so far. Six one, seven two, six, six sixty eight
sixty eight. Okay, nine thirty four on the Great WRKO

(08:30):
Jeff Cooner Liberalism's worst nightmare lines are Jammed Gardener in
New Hampshire. Thanks for holding Gardener and welcome.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Hi, Jeff, Hey, thanks for taking my call. Probably, yeah,
we'll probably have a disagreement, but it'll be a friendly disagreement.
I brought this up a little bit to Sandy when
she was filling in, and I'm going to be interested
to see how the courts rule on this, because there
are a couple of things, first on the immigration issue,

(09:02):
and then the federal government under an executive order of Trump,
going into various states. The Insurrection Act is an act,
and it is of course it is subordinate to the Constitution.
The Constitution, under Article four, Section four, requires that for

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the executive branch to lead any federal troops into a state,
they have to be invited by the legislature of the state,
or if the legislature is out of session, the governor
can invite them in which is why Greg Abbott and
Ron DeSantis did exactly that when Joe Biden was president,
and they complained because they weren't getting a proper response.

(09:47):
In fact, Joe Biden was literally bringing people in and
so now we have the flip side of it in
a way. And the other thing is beyond the fact.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
That Article four, Section four requires that. What's I think
very interesting is, and I don't know if you've ever
spoken with kids about this as well, is you might
remember how the Constitution has three types of land that
the federal government can own or run. Do you remember
what those are?

Speaker 1 (10:15):
A gardner, I don't want to get too far afield.
I want to stay on topics. So are you trying
to say that Trump doesn't have the right to invoke
the Insurrection Act and he doesn't have the right to
send federal troops or National Guard troops to quell an
insurrection in Portland or in Chicago. Is that your point?

Speaker 4 (10:35):
I have a couple points. Actually, The point that I
was trying to get to is that the federal government
is only allowed under the Constitution to run three forms
of land A ten square mile area for the capital,
which they chose to be Washington, d C. Military garrisons
such as Fort Sumter and Civil War, and territories. And

(10:56):
when territories become states under the Constitution, they say they
enter the Union with all rights and privileges of any
other state. So what I'm going to be interested in
seeing is how they handle the federal courthouses, which is
the rationale, of course, as you know, under which Trump
is saying, we're going in to try to or at

(11:16):
least part of it, to try to protect these federal courthouses. Now,
I obviously you know, you and I have different opinions
about this, but I'm going to be very interested to
see how the courts rule on this. The other thing
that on which you and I disagree is, of course,
the difference between the word naturalization and immigration. The word
immigration is not in the Constitution. It was a state purview.

(11:39):
The state of Texas had a Bureau of Immigration when
it entered the Union in eighteen sixty nine. Naturalization, how
a person becomes a citizen, is in the Constitution, and
there's no bleed over. There's no way that someone can
try to distinguish between these, as Thomas Jefferson said, and
as James Madison said in seventeen ninety eight. So I'll

(12:00):
just lay that out there for you.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
In well, yeah, Gardner, look, I mean I can handle
all that really in about a minute. Number one. Under
when Jefferson was president, and when Madison was president, they
deemed immigration as a federal authority and a federal responsibility.
So I mean, I don't know how much clearer they
can make it. And for our entire history, immigration has

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been a federal authority and a federal responsibility, done primarily
through Congress, not through the state legislatures, not through a governor,
not through any kind of a local authority. So and
I think the courts have settled this over and over
and over again. Now, as for invoking the Insurrection Act,

(12:45):
it has been invoked in the past. I believe Trump
has every legal right to invoke it. And we'll watch.
The Supreme Court will weigh in on this. Trump has
already asked for it to be fast tracked, whether troops
can be deployed into Oregon, and my my bet is,
and you can call me back if I'm wrong, it'll
be definitely five four, most likely six'. Three The Supreme

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court will Say trump has every right to order The National,
guard or The California National, guard which has been, federalized
or The Texas National, guard Which Governor abbott has now
given him permission to, use and he's already using some
of them to send them Into, chicago and you don't
have the right to rebel against federal authority. Unlawfully and

(13:32):
that's what we're seeing In chicago and In portland and
any other. States if they are allowed to do what they're,
doing then we don't have a. Country we have. Anarchy
and the one thing our founding fathers hated was. Anarchy,
yes they hated a, strong over centralized federal, government no. Question,
yes they believed in Many in most, issues states and

(13:55):
localities were pre, eminent no. Question but they believed in,
duralism meaning different levels of sovereignty for different levels of.
Government and they were not. Anarchists and what you're seeing In,
chicago what you're seeing In, portland what you're seeing frankly In,
boston In, massachusetts In, california is straight out. Anarchy and

(14:18):
it is a repeat of what The democrats did in eighteen.
Sixty and what they did in eighteen sixty was to
start the most, destructive deadly war In american. History More
americans died in The Civil war than all the other
wars that we've participated in. Combined and you would think

(14:40):
they would have learned their, lesson but they. Haven't and
so you, know it's easy to be a radical, libertarian
to be a radical, individualist but that's Not. America you're
building castles in the. Sky what you're doing is you're
putting abstract philosophy over, history, precedent and. Reality jefferson was

(15:04):
not a. Libertarian madison was not a. Libertarian washington was
not a. Libertarian they were classical, liberals, yes in many,
ways but they were not. Anarchists they were not anarchical.
Libertarians they give you the technical. Definition so what you're
doing is you're trying to read your libertarianism and your

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flirtation with anarchy into The, constitution Into american. History And
i'm telling you you'll see The Supreme court will rule
in favor Of trump on The Insurrection, act and they
will definitely rule in favor Of trump when it comes
to deploying the federal troops or. Else we don't, literally
we don't have a. Country if we cannot deport the

(15:50):
most violent illegal alien criminals from our, country then we
have no, borders we have no, sovereignty and we have no.
Country and a country without borders and sovereignty is not a.
COUNTRY i, mean that's just a. Fact so, Anyway. Gardner
thank you very much for that. CALL i appreciate. It

(16:12):
we agree to disagree as. Usual six, one, seven two sixty,
six sixty eight sixty eight is the. Number, Okay but
let me ask all of. You do you Think trump
doesn't have the legal or constitutional authority to send in
The National guard or federal troops Into chicago Or, portland

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Or california or wherever AND ice. Agents do mayors have
the right to block and prevent ice and customs in
border protection from, arresting, detaining and deporting illegal? ALIENS i

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say it's. Insane we don't have a. Country but that's.
ME i want to hear from You ron In. Medford
thanks for Holding ron and.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
Welcome so many topics to talk, about But i'd like
to talk about something that has really not. Said The
republicans for decades do not know how to communicate with
The american. People what The president needs to, do or
The Republican National committee needs to, do is get time
Like Franklin roosevelt did During World War two and have

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a fireside. Chat for, example show the governor Of oregon
saying there is no, trouble and then show video of
what's going on In. Oregon do the same thing With,
illinois and do the same thing with any other city
or state that's having a. Problem The american public has
the attention span of a nat and unfortunately sometimes the

(17:46):
brains of a. Nap we have to be simple with,
them we have to be exact with. Them AND i
think the, video along with the words and maybe fifty
peak pictures of some of these violent, criminals the murder
is the is shown up, there and then show the
victims of what. Happened that's what's going to make an
impression On american. People not the. Rhetoric no one wants

(18:09):
to listen to. That we need to be exactly what we,
do and we need to have The american people understand
what's going.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
On h RON i don't agree with you one HUNDRED
i agree with you one thousand. Percent the DIFFERENCE i
would just say is, THIS i agree with, you but
the dominant medium of our time is. Television right WHEN
fdr was doing his fireside chats in the thirties and
During World War, two it was. Radio and you're, right
he spoke to the country every week on the. Radio

(18:38):
but here's the. Difference. Wrong in those, days our political
system was much fairer than it is. Today so even
if a radio, station, say opposed the president's, policies they
would still give him the time that he asked for,
whatever half an hour or forty five, minutes whatever the
time was for him to deliver his FIRES i. Chat

(19:01):
so every, week, unimpeded he could talk directly to The american,
people as you're, suggesting AND i agree with you That
trump and The republicans. Do If trump, said, Well i'd
like to have twenty, minutes fifteen, minutes ten, minutes but
give me the airwaves SO i can tell The american
people the, TRUTH cbs wouldn't cover. Him they wouldn't give

(19:22):
him the. TIME i, mean he may get once a
year special address to the, country but every week LIKE, FDR, CBS, ABC,
nbc most of the networks would not give the president
the kind of unfiltered access and communication to The american
people that SAY fdr had as president in the thirties and.

(19:46):
Forties SO i think that's the. PROBLEM i, Mean fox
would give him the ten minutes or fifteen, Minutes newsmax,
WOULD cnn, WOULDN'T msnbc. Wouldn't most of the big networks.
Wouldn't So my question to, you You, ron is how
Does trump get around? That he could do videos that's,
fine but then it's only people that are interested that'll

(20:07):
watch the. Video so if he's going to address the
people in real time AS fdr, did how does he
get around, that essentially that media monopoly that The democrats
and the liberals.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
CONTROL i think The Republican National committee needs to try
to purchase, airtime and then if they're deny, that then
that's another thing that can come out about how biased
the system. Is BUT i don't Think, jeff that they
would deny him that much because they would BE i
think they'd be a little concerned about what the appearances

(20:39):
are of not letting the president of The United states
address The american. People AND i don't think it needs
to be every. WEEK i just think it needs to
be one time or with the visuals are, shown where
the words are shown about these, communists about what they're,
saying that there's no, problem and then show the results
of having all these illegal immigrants in the, country the
deadly results to so many. FAMILIES i think that would

(21:03):
have an impact not on the thirty percent who couldn't care,
less but those people in the middle who Like trump's
policies but hate his. Personality AND i hear over and
over again from those people they can't vote for someone like,
that but they love the. Policies SO i, MEAN i
think that would maybe sway. It but that's just my.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Ouse, No, No, ron look an excellent. Point and maybe when
he invokes The Insurrection, act AND i think it's almost
inevitable now that he, will THEN i think he should
Address he has to address the country if he's going
to take. Something you, know that's a serious step to
invoke The Insurrection. Act it's a momentous. STEP i think
then he needs to address the. Country and you're. RIGHT

(21:42):
i think then the networks will have no choice but
to give him the. Airtime and then he should be
using a lot of, video exactly what you're. Suggesting, right
there's no problem In. Portland, really look at. This oh
it's all peaceful In. Chicago look at. This SO i
agree with, you it's Not it doesn't mean to just use.
Words he's got to show, images, pictures, Videos let The

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american people see how crazed and violent and rebellious these
insurrectionist mayors have now become