Is Ukraine Worth WW3?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight
is the number. Okay, text line is on fire. You
can text us seven zero four seven zero seven zero
four seven zero. This is from five oh eight. Jeff,
Russia won the war the day it began. The only

(00:23):
question to answer is how much of Ukraine and how
many Ukrainians Zelensky would be willing to sacrifice to lose
the war. And I believe, Jeff, that Zelenski is playing
an insane game and believes that as Russian troops are
about to enter Kiev, it will spur billions more in

(00:45):
aid from the rest of the world, much of which,
of course, will end in Swiss bank accounts an ocean
front real estate in the West. Well, look, he's clearly unhinged,
you know. Look I'm you know, look, Putin is clearly
a I mean just a killer. He's brutal, he's barbaric,

(01:06):
he's ruthless. Uh, you know, I understand Trump completely. The senseless,
insane loss of human life, Russian Ukrainian military, civilian. I mean,
it's it's a blood bath, it's a slaughterhouse. But if
you look at Zelenski, you know, as Trump famously told him,

(01:28):
you have no cards to play. You've got nothing, and
like you know what, you know, like, what do you
think is going to happen? Someone's just gonna wave their
magic wand and the United And that's ultimately Zelenski's end goal.
He wants America to eventually be forced or compelled to
enter the war and fight Russia directly. It's not a

(01:51):
proxy war, but it now is going to escalate into
a direct war between Russia and the United States. That's
his only play. And to me, once you start, you know,
resuming weapons shipments to Ukraine, that again puts us down
that very perilous path. Again, we have no dog in

(02:12):
this fight. I mean I sympathize with Ukraine, of course
I do. But in terms of our vital security or
strategic national interests, which flag flies over the down bas
over Dunatsk, over Luhansk, over Crimea has no impact whatsoever
on the national interest of the United States. Whether it's

(02:35):
the blue and yellow Ukrainian trident or the Russian Eagle,
It really in terms of our national interests doesn't matter.
Now if it means that much to the Ukrainians and
the Ukraine, well you can buy you know, buy a
ton of weapons on the international market, pay for it
and fight and fight and fight and fight if you're

(02:58):
willing to fight to the last man, and go ahead.
But Zelenski's problem is, if you've seen the videotapes, there
are many Russian, sorry, many Ukrainian men who are refusing
to be conscripted into the Ukrainian army. And you see
these shocking pictures and video images of you know, twenty

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five thirty year old men literally being kidnapped on the
streets of Kiev, the capitol, kidnapped by police to be
forced to fight for the Ukrainian side on the Ukrainian
front line. So that's why Zelensky's got one play steal

(03:39):
as much as he can keep stealing and that of
his cronies and eventually get America to officially enter the war.
He would love nothing more than for the United States
to do to Russia what we recently did to Iran.
Drop some bunker busters, say on the on the Kremlin

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or on the presidential Palace, and take out Vladimir Putin.
That's what this guy's fantasy is, and that would mean
World War three. And Ukraine is not worth World War three.
It's just not six to one agree, disagree. I'm just
you know, from the heart. I'm just talking from the heart.

(04:24):
Let me just read one more and then I want
to go right to the phone lines. This is from
six one seven, and it's it goes as follows, and
it's in relation to Barbara's call maybe about an hour ago. Jeff,
I am very disheartened by Barbara's call from Maryland and
her response to the Epstein case, and I enjoy her

(04:47):
commentaries otherwise, but pooh poohing what occurred and then dismissing
the victims and the perpetrators by asserting, quote, well, what
happened happened, and we need to move along, is very concerning.
It piggyback sadly on Trump's posture now regarding this very

(05:09):
disturbing matter, nothing to see here, question mark, really question mark.
After Trump and his administration claimed they were going to
reveal the truth to get justice for the kids harmed
by these elites, comebacks, who the hell is on that list?

(05:29):
This matter is as relevant and even more so than
anything else going on, because it sets the stage for
our values as a country, and where the culture goes,
we go, either for good or bad. And apparently The
message now is loud and clear. They value wolves in

(05:50):
sheep's clothing at the expense of our children. It's revolting
and it's disgusting. Agree, disagree, Lisa on Cape Cod Thanks
for holding Lisa and welcome.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (06:09):
I'm good?

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Are you Lisa good? There's no really easy answers for
any of these questions. I kind of had an analogy
in mind, but it's been listening to the different callers
and your commentary, and it's it's sort of shifts because
there's nothing really concrete. I was thinking of God forbid

(06:34):
victims of violent crime, right, they always want to know why,
why was my family members selected? Why did this person
do this? Okay, ultimately that doesn't negate the grief and
the rage that the victims' families are feeling. Right likewise

(06:57):
with Epstein victims. But let's say God forbid there was
a trial. Let's say that we've all watched Bill Gates
cuffed and hauled off. Who's to say in this corrupt
system that we have that he wouldn't have gotten off
akin to Diddy?

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Okay, we lost, Lisa, but I do want to address
the point that she makes before I do just very
very quick. This is from Larry On Messenger and he
makes an absolutely outstanding point, Jeff. In twenty twenty three,
Americans flooded to the movie theaters to watch Sound of Freedom.

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It resonated with people saying justice is needed. And all
of those children were foreigners, and that, I feel is
what's going over people's heads right now. These are our children,
and as the movie says, they are not for sale.

(08:04):
And that's a brilliant point. I mean I saw Sound
of Freedom. I know many of you did in the audience.
I think Jim Cavizl should have gotten an Academy Award
for that. But let that go about human trafficking, in
particular trial trafficking, the child's sex trade, and the desire
in America, the appetite among wealthy elites to pay for

(08:29):
these children to be trafficked into the United States, for
them to be used essentially as sex slaves, and how
it's a blight, a moral blight on our country, or
how many of them engage in sex tourism, and we'll
go to third world countries just to sexually exploit and
molest these children. And this is what this is the

(08:52):
whole Epstein's scandal again. Forget Epstein. I mean, he was
a pedophile himself, but he was a massive international child
sex trafficking ring, a network that he was at the
very center of along with Julaine Maxwell, in which they
were thousands of victims, underage girls, underage boys, children as

(09:16):
young as five, six, seven years old, and they were fed.
That's like feeding an animal, like throwing a piece of
meat to some of the wealthiest, most powerful, well connected
people in politics, in business, in entertainment in Hollywood, and

(09:38):
this is now all being buried, it's all being swept
under the rug. And they're telling us now to literally
defy our common sense, our eyes and ears, and what
was already proven in the Julaane Maxwell case, never mind
all the other reporting that's been going on for over
the last ten, twelve, fifteen years, and so all of

(10:00):
a sudden, now you know, like I mean, with all
due respect to Lisa, I understand where she's coming from.
But she says, well, let's say you arrest Bill Gates
just to name a person that's been quote unquote his
name has been thrown around as being on the client list. Well,
with the corrupt justice system, maybe he'll get away with it. Okay,
maybe he will, But does that mean you don't arrest

(10:22):
pedophiles and child molesters because they may get away with
it in court. No, you arrest them. Of course, you
arrest them. And even if they get away with it,
you will know from now on who was a child
rapist and who wasn't, who was unmasked, who is exposed

(10:46):
and who wasn't, And you can say whatever you want
from that point forward. They are completely morally discredited. They
have become parias.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Now.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, but look, according to the evidence that they have.
You've got them on tape. He was blackmailing everybody. He
had cameras everywhere, So you know it's not even a
he said, she said, or whatever I'm talking about. It's
right there on freaking tape. You've got pictures, videotape images,

(11:22):
You've got the whole thing. So you know, Okay, if
a jury wants to acquit, it's on you know, then
it's on them, it's on their conscience, it's on their souls.
But the right thing to do in a civilized society
if you believe in, you know, protecting children, basic rights,

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the rule of law, especially the most vulnerable are children.
For God's sake, predators need to be arrested, and they
need to be named, and they need to be shamed.
You don't cover this stuff up and be honest. Again,
I said it yesterday, but it bears repeating. If this

(12:04):
was Joe Biden and Merrick Garland and Christopher Ray, in
other words, if this was you know, instead of Trump,
Pambondi and Cash Ptel, if this was Biden and Attorney
General Merrick Garland and his FBI director Christopher Ray, and
they came out with that memo. And then Biden at

(12:24):
a cabinet meeting says, hey, who cares about that creep?
What the hell with him? I got other stuff to
talk about. You're desecrating what happened in Texas. Everybody in
this audience will be going not and rightfully so he'd
be saying, who the hell does this guy think he is?
So nothing has changed the Epstein scandal. You know, it's truth.

(12:50):
Truth is truth is truth. That's what it is. And
that's why to me, I think he's made that in
Ukraine are the two so far his two biggest mistakes
of his presidency. I think he fumbled it. I think
he blew it. And even his response, I thought was
not a good response. Honestly, even if he said, look,

(13:13):
you know for whatever, Look we're going to for a
variety of reasons, wink wink. In other words, whatever I'm
playing hardball, or I'm I'm using this against the deep state,
or I'm using this against my enemies, or they were
using Epstein to blackmail people will now want to turn
it around on them. Whatever. If you're gonna at least
if you're going to take that position, then just say, look,

(13:36):
Pambondi made her decision. I back her decision. I don't
want to talk about it. Move on, but don't start
telling me that I should be ashamed of myself, and
in particular his bass Maga, because they're the ones most
upset about this, his voters that well, you guys are
desecrating now the dead girls in Texas. What are you

(13:58):
guys doing going on about Jeffery Epps. What's your problem? Well, no,
we don't have a problem. We want the truth. And
you promised us the truth, and you promised us that
you would release the Epstein files. And so did Pambondi,
and so did Cash Pateel, and so did Dan Bongino.
Now I'm sorry. I don't care who's in office, and

(14:19):
I love Trump and I agree with n I used
to say one hundred, but now ninety nine percent of
everything he's done. And I still think his presidency is
incredibly successful. But I'm tired of being lied to. The
whole country is sick of being lied to. And Pam
Bondi and Cash Patel and Dan Bongino lied to our

(14:44):
face brazenly. And look, there's an Eastern European expression that
I love. I love it. Don't pee on my back
and call it rain. Don't suddenly now tell me that
this guy offed himself, that he committed suicide when we

(15:04):
know he didn't. Don't tell me there's no client list,
when we know there's a client list. He said he
had a client list. His lawyer said he had a
client list. Jelaane Maxwell said he had a client list.
In the Julaane Maxwell case, the FBI admitted there was
a client, a client list, and a black book. So

(15:26):
come on, don't We're not stupid, and don't tell me
that this guy never blackmailed anybody. Okay, Uh, Doctor Grace
is warming up in the bullpen. She's going to be
on in exactly nine minutes. Trust me, you're gonna want
to hear this one. Oh, are you gonna want to
hear this one? John in Boston, Thanks for holding John,

(15:47):
and welcome Hi.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Good morning, zou Shung. How he knows zou Shung? How Jeff,
good morning in China? Me how much? Anyway, I'm a
first time caller.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Welcome John.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
You know, my big question is this is a war
between the United States and Russia. Back in Machia April,
the New York Times had are flum page stories on
how the United States helped Ukraine from the beginnings. And
my big question is why nobody can se tell me
the answer? Why does the United States helped officially in
NATO country? And what is the average paycheck Joe and

(16:23):
paycheck jokes and get out of this. I can't see
ending at all. And what I understand at one time
Ukrainians polders the blocks of the US. They were trained
to fight UH, trained to US fighter, yet become pilots
and they would send back to Ukraine. So this is
clearly a war between the United States and Russia. There

(16:44):
has to be special interests candies and took me from
the candy jock because I think is fish, hiking and
rice were the only things in the Ukraine, the United
States wouldn't be interested. So tell me what you think
about that, and maybe you can give me an in
for why.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Hello John, Look, you're you're up correct, Really, I gotta
tell you, first time caller. Excellent, really excellent. You're completely right.
This is a proxy war and Ukraine is the battlefield.
And look our deep state, the Pentagon, the neo conservatives,
the military industrial complex, the military industrial complex have been

(17:21):
out for a war with Russia going back decades. And
the reason is this, for all of his flaws. And
again I'm no fan of I really I'm no fan
of Vladimir Putin. But Vladimir Putin stands against the new
World order. He is not a globalist. He hates globalism.
He is a nationalist. He is a great Russian nationalist,

(17:44):
and I mean great Russian in the sense of he
wants a greater Russia. Okay, I don't mean great as
in like he's a great person, but he's what's called
a great Russian nationalist, and he wants to defend Russia
and the interests of Russians what they call the near
Abroad that's the term that you in Russia. In other words,
not just in Russia, but in neighboring countries. And that's Putin.

(18:06):
That's what he is. And George Soros has repeatedly said,
if we could just get rid of Putin and his
nationalist regime and get someone who's compliant, that they could
feast on the resources and mineral wealth of Russia. The
globalists want a devour. They want Russian coal, they want

(18:27):
Russian gas, they want Russian oil, they want all the
vast minerals that Russia has. They've already milked Ukraine dry.
The big prize for them is Russia, and so they've
been itching for a war with Russia. They want a
cold war with Russia and if possible, a hot war
with Russia. That's why they overthrew in a coup, a

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democratically elected government, and that led to what was called
through the so called Maidan Revolution, and that's why initially
moved into Crimea. And this was orchestrated by Obama, by Biden,
by Lindsey Graham at the time he was alive, John
McCain so and Victoria neuland this has all been very

(19:13):
well documented. So the Neo cohns and the warhawks and
the globalists have been itching for a war with Russia.
And that's why they keep sending good money after bad
weapon system after weapon system. And you know, look, John,
just ask yourself. Can you imagine what one hundred and

(19:33):
seventy five billion dollars could have gotten for the average
Joe as you put it, or the average Jane. I mean,
what we could have done for ordinary Americans here at
home with one hundred and seventy five billion dollars, the
border secure, all of the illegals deported, no no one homeless,

(19:57):
never mind no homeless veterans. We could literally end homelessness.
I mean, I could go on and on with what
we could have done in this country with one hundred
and seventy five billion dollars, and instead it's gone. It's
like you've flushed it right down to toilet. And look,
Ukraine is still losing the war. Much of that money

(20:17):
has been siphoned off or stolen, and now they're coming
back for another lick at the plate. And I thought
the one thing Trump would never do is give them
arms and weapons and then just casually in a dinner
or lunch with BB net Niyahu. On Monday, he just says, yeah,
we're gonna start reharming him. Now, We're gonna start sending

(20:39):
him weapons, a lot of defensive weapons, but there's still
gonna be weapons. And I'm like, so what another ten fifteen,
twenty billion right down a rat hole? And then what's
going to happen? By August or September, He'll be back again, Zelenzk.
He'll be back again asking for more money and more weapons,
and there'll be more dead Russians and more dead u Ukrainians.

(21:02):
And I'm like, no, I don't want Ukraine first. I
don't want anybody first. I want America first. And that's
why I think he's I think this is a bad move.
And more than that, it sucks us in now deeper
because now you see, John, this is the problem if
Kiev falls, if the capitol falls, or if Zelenski's regime falls.

(21:26):
Now Trump is on the hook. He wasn't on the
hook before. He could easily have said, wasn't my war
started under Biden? He was the one that you know,
gave him all these weapons and it didn't work, and
it was stolen and misappropriated. And he's the one that
pushed NATO right to the border of Russia. He's the
one that crossed Putin's red line. In other words, I

(21:49):
just tried to make peace. I'm the peacemaker, and all
he's got to do is say I genuinely say. Look,
you don't know how many hours I burned on the
phone with Poo, with Zelensky. How many times would I
send Marco Rubio? How many times would I send Steve Witkoff.
How many times do we have a conference in istanbuler
any of these places around the world. Neither side wants

(22:12):
to make peace. I'm not going to force it on him.
I can't impose it on him. So I did my best.
You know, America was an honest broker. I wash my hands,
I walk away. Nobody would blame him. Now he's taken aside,
and it's not just the weapons that's the one that's
getting the attention. They're now pushing a big bill again,

(22:34):
spearheaded by Lindsey Graham, massive sanctions, even more sanctions on
Russia and higher tariffs and sanctions on any country that
provides weapons or aid to Russia regarding its invasion of Ukraine.
So now we're going to be sanctioning Russia even more,

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and we're going to be now sanctioning other countries around
the world if they happen to help Russia. So now
we're just getting in deeper and deeper and deeper. And
when Ukraine falls, and I believe it's inevitable, they will
lose this war. They've lost the war now it's going
to be on Trump's hands. I don't see. I think

(23:18):
that's the part they haven't quite thought out. I know
what he's thinking. I'll give Ukraine enough weaponry to fight
throughout the summer. This will exhaust the Russians in Putin,
this will exhaust the Ukrainians too. By then, it's like
you know, a hockey fight that both of the guys,
you know, beating each other up are just they've had it,
Y're too tired. The referees come in and break them up.

(23:40):
He's thinking that's going to happen again. I hope he's right.
I want to be wrong. I want him to be right.
I don't think it's going to happen. Putin is determined
to win at all costs, and when he does win,
now it's going to be seen not just as Zelenski's
the and Ukraine's defeat and Biden's defeat. But now it's

(24:05):
going to be seen as Trump's defeat, and I think
he's going to lose a lot of political capital over this.
Especially look what he did in Iran. It was brilliant.
He restored American strategic deterrence around the world. So you're
backing a loser in Zelensky. And if four hundred billion

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dollars is not enough for him to win this war,
then I'm telling you five hundred billion or six hundred
billion or a trillion. They just steal too much money
and they're just too freaking incompetent. I'm talking about the leadership,
and that's the problem. A rat hole is a rat

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hole is a rat hole, no matter how much money
you throw into it. So that's where I think the
flaw is. But that's me. Six one, seven sixty eight,
sixty eight is the number. Okay, joining me now as
she always does at this time, doctor Grace, putting liberals

(25:10):
in their place, Grace Vuoto full disclosure. I married up.
This is my wonderful wife, my better half, Grace. I
want to come at this from a slightly different angle,
if you don't mind big news yesterday, the FBI has
announced and the DOJ under Pambondi, that they are opening

(25:34):
now an official criminal investigation into former CIA director John
Brennan and into former FBI Director James Comey. And this
criminal investigation stems from the fact that both of them
committed perjury while they're testified in Congress under oath. They

(25:56):
led under oath claiming that they knew nothing about the sea,
that they had no idea what was really happening with
the Steele Dosier. When it turns out now through a
very sensitive report released by the CIA, John Brennan fingerprints
all over the Steel Dosier, James call Mey his fingerprints

(26:18):
all over the Steel Dosier. They knew it was a lie.
They knew Russia Trump Russia collusion never happened, and yet
they still pushed the Dosier, and they pushed the intelligence
community to claim that Trump and Russia were colluding when
they knew that was false. And then they illegally spied

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on first on his campaign and then his presidency. And
so now they're both being investigated for lying under oath,
which they both did, and for so called conspiracy to
intervene in the election and to illegally spy on the president.
It's a bombshell development. Both men could end up in prison.

(27:01):
My question to you, do you think that Cash Ptel
Bongino and Pam Bondi are serious that they're going to
pursue this to the end and we'll actually see Brennan
and Komy and ancuffs or are they just trying to
deflect and distract from their decision regarding Jeffrey Epstein to

(27:23):
drop the case and bury all the evidence. What say you?

Speaker 4 (27:30):
This is a big distraction and it revolts me because
we are being played. I know when I'm being played,
and that is part of the cover up. They now
want to throw us a little bone so we don't
look at the big crimes that are being covered up.

(27:50):
And I'm so glad that one of your dear listeners
mentioned the movie The Sound of Freedom. I think the
greatest movie line of all time is when he said
God's children are not for sale. And if we're serious
about this, we as MAGA cannot stop until we get
to the bottom. People like Virginia griff she was trafficked.

(28:14):
She was trafficked all over the world. She was put
on planes, she was sent to different men. We know
that that happened, so don't tell us what we know
to be the truth. What they are doing now is
they are going to let the most powerful men in
America and around the world skate on the abuse, rape,

(28:37):
and violation of our children, of God's children. And that
does not stand with me and it won't stand with Maga.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Why let me ask you this, why why would Pam
Bondi do this cash Ptel, Dan Bongino, And in particular,
why would President Trump? He went out of his way
to say was his decision yesterday and then for him
to really attack his supporters, I've never seen him do
this before, saying what do you guys care? You know,

(29:07):
what do you care about that creep? For he's a loser,
forget about him. Don't bother me with this a were
you shocked at his response yesterday? And why why would
Trump and his DOJ and FBI cover up the Epstein crimes?

Speaker 4 (29:23):
Listen, Jeff, I think that President Trump and his entire
administration need to understand that they work for us, We
don't work for them, and they're not allowed to bully us.
We can continue to ask the question. One of the
reasons that he was elected was to get to the
bottom of the Epstein case. And it's clear that he
doesn't want to now the reason why. Only he knows

(29:47):
the reason why. But it can't be good and will
be no further blessing on his presidency. If he does
not stand up for the protection of children who were
molested and raped by the most powerful men in America.
There will be no further blessing on his presidency. We
cannot allow it. We have to say no. And he's

(30:09):
got to change his tone because he works for us,
and I don't want to see him, you know, ac't
so arrogant, like, oh, you're going to talk about this now. Yeah,
you talked about it in order to get yourself elected,
and we're going to keep talking about it. And he
clearly told the country that the decision is his. So
now he's going to own that decision and he's going

(30:30):
to have to talk about it. He's going to have
to tell us why. And I don't see any good
reason as to why he's shutting this whole thing down.
And Pam a BONDI she just looks like a doorknob
right now. She looks like a doorknob in that cabinet meeting.
I mean, honestly, if you have any kind of integrity,
just resigned. If somebody told me you're going to shut
this case down, I would say no, I'm sorry, I'm

(30:50):
going to the press. I'm resigning right now, and I
want to tell and Bongino to do the same. If
they have any integrity, they all resign. They should resign
as a block in protest to Trump decision.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Grace, I have to ask you, and I understand you
feel very strongly about it, so do I. But the
way Trump said it, was there any other way he
could have handled it yesterday that wouldn't have angered so
many people within MAGA, so many of his supporters. It

(31:25):
was an explosion on social media yesterday. I've never seen
anything like this from people who voted for him three times,
people who love him, I mean, they're still going to
back him, obviously, but really disappointed in him, really angry,
and they didn't like the way he said it yesterday.
Was there another way he could have handled it and
at least they would have been better. Could he have

(31:47):
softened the blow yesterday?

Speaker 4 (31:49):
Well, look, he was there to take the heat off
Pam Bondi because Pam Bondy was in the firing line.
The blowback against her is ferocious, and so you know,
everyone was saying she should resign. So he was there
to say, well, no, no, no, don't put all the heat
on her. Actually it's coming from me. And so by

(32:11):
doing that, he now made himself responsible for this policy.
If he was shrewd, he would have just been quiet,
let her handle the question, and the ferocity would still
be on her because he would have at least, you know,
one layer of distance from this decision. But now he's
got nowhere to run, and now he's going to have

(32:32):
to answer as to why he could have been more
shrewd about it. But you know, he inserted himself into it,
and he made it clear that the decision came from him.
He did it in order to protect Pam Bondy. But
now he's jeopardized himself by doing so.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Grace, what do you say to the argument, Yeah, you me,
Steve Bannon. I could go on all the you know,
the big influencers, Benny Johnson, Law or a Loomer. I
could just go on and on.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, his voters they're furious, they're upset. They're gonna blow
off some steam, you know, like on the Cooner Report today,
and after a couple of days though, they're gonna forget
about it. They're gonna move on because they're going to
see the success of the rest of his presidency. The
economy is going to boom, Inflation is going to continue
to go down, the border's going to stay secure, the

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deportations are going to ramp up. Energy is going to
start being drilled again like we've never seen before. Gas
prices are going to start to really plummet. In other words,
when he really start to see him delivering, people are
going to say, ah, it's water under the bridge.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
What say you, No, it won't be water under the bridge.
And the danger that he faces is he's getting very
arrogant and he's slowly starting to isolate different parts of
his base. So he upset elon Musk and honestly they
had a fight. We don't want to revisit that. But
the deficit Hawks are upset with him on terrified, disagree
with his whole policy. I was not a fan of that.

(34:04):
I don't want to revisit that. He's starting to upset
some people on America First policies, like Tucker Carlson and
Steve Bannon. Now he's upset those who are values voters
that vote on issues like the protection of children. So
he's just starting to take elements of his base for granted,
and you can only push so far. He's just got

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to be careful. And I hope that everybody listening on
his side in his administration listens to a show like
this and realizes you're not going to be able to
bully us. You're not going to be able to put
the wool over our eyes. We're all too smart. Has
anybody who heard your callers? You have the smartest callers
and the smartest audience in the United States. You cannot hooplink.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Us grace politically. How much damage do you think this
is going to cost Trump?

Speaker 4 (34:58):
I think, Jeff, it's that it's going to be a
damage that is piling on with other issues. You know,
you spent a lot of time today talking about Ukraine.
I oppose the minerals deal. I was one of the
few analysts that said this is really foolish. And the
problem that Trump faces now is if you actually read
the terms of that minerals deal that he signed with Ukraine,

(35:21):
it was a tacit security guarantee There's a phrase there
that says Ukraine and the United States will have US
support for Ukraine's security, prosperity, reconstruction and integration into the
global economic framework. So Trump signed a Tassit security agreement

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with Ukraine. I set from the start this is going
to embroil us deeper and deeper in Two out of
the four Ukrainian lithium resources are on Russian occupied territory.
So if we want to get involved in the mineral
roles that are in Ukraine, we're going to eventually put

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ourselves on Putin's doorstep. And the problem that Trump faces
now with his foreign policy is nobody can figure out
whose side is he on.