Mob Mentality

Episode Transcript

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This is the Kooner Report. I'mfilling in for Jeff Coooner, who's on
a cruise to Bermuda. Our textnumber here is seven zero four seven zero
six O three says that was agreat caller. Too bad you had to
cut him off because you did notagree with his point of view. Okay,
I didn't cut him off. Hegot like five minutes on the that's

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forever in talk radio time. Ididn't interrupt him. I let him do
his thing. I think I hadone interjection that was like five seconds.
The rest of you had complete time. I have hard breaks. I don't
have any control when we break.I have absolutely nothing to do with that.
And we're not allowed to like extendsegments. It Actually, it's it's
like computer regimented. We have tobreak when we break. So if I'm

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up against a break, there's nothingI can do about it. Another six
O three says, it didn't likethis guy got too much your time and
threatens to listen to somebody else.So damned if I do, damned if
I don't. I gave him toomuch time, I gave him too little
time. You just can't make everybodyhappy, is what the moral of the
story is. And here's another one. I don't think you're reading the room.

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The Kooner country base is not cerebral, serene, pacifist kind of mode
and mood. Okay, I don'tthink I'm a pacifist. I am the
fact that I can tell you rightnow, I'm not a pacifist. I
do believe in aggression being appropriate incertain instances, and I do believe in
the death penalty, and I dobelieve in a lot of things that pacifists

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do not agree with. What I'msaying here is that as much as I
may want to beat up the guyin in New York who raped the thirteen
year old, to have a mobdo it without knowing for sure that he's
the guy, even knowing for surethat he's the guy having a mob do
it, is the way we descendinto anarchy and destroy our civilization. There

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is a we have put We've allwe live in this societ. We've agreed
to live in this society. Otherwiseyou can move someplace else, go to
Venezuela if you don't like it here. And we've decided that the judicial system
is the one that just mets out, punished, meets out punishment, not
us. So for a mob todecide based on a wanted poster, not
even a confession. They didn't havea confession at the time. That they

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beat him up. To beat himup is part of justice, and they
were proud of it. They toldthe police what they did is the way
we destroy ourselves. It may makeyou feel good for five seconds, but
then the next mob is going tobeat up, maybe kill somebody that you
care about, and they're wrong,and then they get killed. Each one

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of those mobs they get and soforth and so on until we've got nothing
left. You know, you sawthis behavior and what it could lead to
with Antifa and BLM, and itis the way we get to anarchy.
Are my last caller actually is aconfessor to anarchists. Doesn't want any superseding
over writing agreed upon hierarchy of power. He views that as all mob mentality.

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And okay, you know that's oneway to look at it. But
we've all agreed upon an organized mobmentality that's known as the judicial system,
and we've agreed to it. LikeI said, if you don't like it,
you can go someplace else that doesn'thave it and see how much you
like living there. That's basically thequestion that I'm putting out to you,

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is is it worth it to getthat momentary rush of immediate gratification by beating
up somebody that you suspect as arapist to destroying our civilization? Which is
what that leads to. That isthe problem. You have to take the
long view. Everybody's saying, well, the Democrats, the Communists, they've

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taken the long view, and that'swhy we're in this position. Okay,
so let us take the long view. If we give into mob mentality,
then what is the end down theroad? What is it that you see?
Is it back to, you know, a strong justice system and appropriate
justice and tough on crime, oris it, you know, a banana

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republic. I see it as abanana republic. But maybe you agree with
me. And do you think I'ma pacifist for thinking that way, because
that's what the that's what the Textersare saying that that's what I am.
John from Boston and welcome to wRKO. How are you John? Thoughts
on something here? Okay? Youknow, there's a lot of talk about

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reforming the justice system and such.I don't know how touch detail I need
to go into But I was ina situation where I was convicted of a
crime after a second trial, andyou know, there was never anything more
than an unsubstantiated testimony. They didn'thave to do any surveillance, They didn't

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have to do any kind of youknow, forendsick war if nothing. It
was just allowing people to get upthere in pression themselves without having to back
up a word of it. Myfirst trial, I got a tend two
decision in my favor. My secondtrial, the judge that denied me the
right to my testimony. So I'mjust wanted you know in your opinion.

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I mean, does reform of thejustice systems require that the das and the
judges actually put in the effort todo surveillance and gather evidence rather than just
be allowed to stifle defend trying todefend himselfs and just allowing people to get
up on the stand without backing upanything they say. Well, first of

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all, it's not the judge's roleto do any kind of surveillance or gather
evidence. The judge just runs thetrial in the courtroom. Yes, the
da should be gathering sufficient evidence andyou don't have to I witness testimony is
sufficient in a lot of cases becausethere is no other backup for them.
If somebody sees something happen, theycan certainly testify to it. What weight

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that is given is up to thecourt and the judge. But I'm sorry
that you had a bad experience,but you had two trials. This is
the Kuner report. Our last caller, John from Boston, had a bad
experience in the justice system, andI'm sorry that he did. It happens,
you know, it's one of thereasons why we need reform. But

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I think that the courts get itright more often than they get it wrong,
unless there's some kind of judicial activisminvolved. And then I think,
which is what you saw in youknow, Donald Trump's New York City trial,
that was judicial activism, and thatis appalling and needs to be changed.
But generally speaking, you don't seewholesale abuse of the evidentiary system,

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and there are appeals available if youdo see it. If you do see
something in a particular case, Ishould say so. I'm sorry he had
a bad experience, but I don'tthink that that's a wholesale problem in the
judiciary. You may disagree with me, but that's how I currently see it.

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Our text number is seven zero fourseven zero if you want to send
a message. And I'm getting lambastedby one particular texter who says that I
didn't point out that the father ofthe rape victim in New York, the
thirteen year old who was rape wasone of the guys who grabbed the perp
because he wasn't. He wasn't oneof the guys who grabbed the perp.
If you listen to the videos,there are people there who said, the

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reason why I did this is becauseI have a daughter myself, I have
two sisters and a daughter, orthey're not It wasn't the dad of the
of the rape victim who was partof that group. These were just neighbors,
people in the hood basically who didthis. Not the dad of the
thirteen year old who was raped.So that's why I didn't identify him as

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such, because he wasn't one ofthem. Just saying what I We played
it earlier in the show, butI'm gonna play it again, is this
is audio from the video of them, uh holding back and they caught the
They caught the rapist. We nowknow for sure he was a rapist at

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the time, they only had awanted poster that he hadn't confessed yet,
and they caught him and subdued him, tied a belt around his leg,
and then he he rolled underneath acar to protect himself because they were beating
the crap out of him, whichthey freely admit, and they told the
police they were beating the crap outof them. And I want you to
hear the video cut fifty A please, mike Y, Yeah, thank you,

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yeah for you look at where Yes, they did, and the police
had to take him to the hospital. He wasn't badly hurt. I would
not have been distressed if he hadbeen, to be honest with you,

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and especially now that we know he'sconfessed, he deserved to be beaten,
But I don't think they should have. Does that make sense to you,
because you know they're they were punishinghim, and I get why they wanted
to be He's a monster, he'san evil monster who raped a thirteen year
old and he should get everything fromthe book thrown at him and have to

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be in rikers and then in prisonwhere they'll beat the crap out of them
every day. And I don't Ithink that's it's okay because he deserves it.
But I don't want mobs doing thaton the street. I don't because
that if we do that, ifwe let mobs do that, we become
anarchists and we have nothing left.We have a judicial system, a justice

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system for a reason. I thinkwe have to make that better and not
ignore it. Is what I'm sayingto everybody, and for that I'm being
called a pacifist and too soft.Scott, New Hampshire, Welcome to WRKO.
How are you, Scott, I'mgreat, Danny, thanks for taking
my call. I just wanted togive everybody a case. In two thy

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eleven, a gentleman was in aparking lot with a ten year old down
syndrome girl with his knee, withhis hands down to his knees. Wow,
he was the packing a lot ofattendant found him and saw him and
called the police. He was apprehended, and the packing lot attendant never showed

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up for his trial, so he, in short, got away with it.
Got away with that. He thinks. That's the bad news. But
even worse news is the fact thathe had the same last name as me.

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You poor guy. So since twentyeleven, this this justice system that
we are you know that we holdthere and dea to our hearts has been
has thought it was me, andI didn't know until twenty nineteen that they

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thought it was me. After losingmillions of dollars, arrested five slonees,
the Rockingham State Courthouse and the Exeterpolice thought that was me and they have

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you talk about a mob mentality.They have ruined my life. So in
a way, Andy, I know, I love you and I'd call in
all the time under different names.Yes, there was Scott from Lawrence.

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I'm Sean from New Hampshire, butit's Scott from New Hampshire and I'm I'm
replying to a breath of the SupremeCourt for one of the many cases.
And I got to tell you,Karen Reid was up against a mob mentality.
I'm up against a mob mentality andit's awful, awful. So I

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need, I need, I needeverybody to know that's not the way to
do it, but that's the onlyway we have. And unfortunately I have
to go through this. My familyhas had to go through this, and
there will be some redemption, Ihope at the end. But I just

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yeah, there's tarts, you know, when people I was, I tried
to redo a rebuttal on the peoplethat call and said, I'll just call
your call your rep and call youryou know, the attorney general and call
it's It just doesn't work. Andbut again, it's the only thing we

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have, and I need everybody toknow. It is the only thing we
have, and it's it may beflawed, and they might be hundreds of
us that go through this, thousandsof us that go through this. There
are thirty three thousand district attorneys inthe in the country. And you know,

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like you said, fifteen is agood star. But yeah, not
all of them are sorrow's DA's.But of the sorrows das, fifteen have
have been summarily dealt with. Thatmeans there's a lot more to go.
But it is a start to behonest, Oh, Scott, I'm so
sorry for what you're going through.But you know, you're so right about

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the mob mentality, people jumping beforethey know, before they look at the
evidence of something. I mean,they've crucified you doing that, They've crucified
I don't know the guilt or innocenceof Karen Reid, but she was certainly
presumed to be guilty by many people, including the police department, and there's
more and more evidence comes out.There's a big questions about that. So

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you know, it's a good thingthat a mob didn't decide to punish her
before the end of the trial,just like it's a good thing that you
know, they didn't get together andtry to punish you before you have an
opportunity to prove that you have nothingto do with what's going on. I
think that's my point. Yeah,and they have punishment. Yeah, I

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mean and still and still will notrelinquish the punishment. And I just I
need everybody to know that it happens, you know, And and and I'll
be calling you again talk about mybook as soon as I as soon as

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I lose and the Supreme put inNewhampshire Supreme Court. You may win either
way. Either way you will bewell. We'll find airtime for you,
Scott. Either way, we'll we'llfigure it out when you write your book
on your experience. So thank youso much for the call, and I
wish you so much luck in dealingwith what you're up against. Thank you
again. Let's go to Susan andWhitman. Susan, Welcome to w r

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KO. How are you good?Okay, So I just want to say
you're doing a great job. Ithink you're right about the mob thing,
especially after listening to call. Youknow, do I think you deserve a
beaten? Yeah? I do,but I get it. I get it.
Listening to Scott just talk made mekind of feel a little different.

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You know, you can't you knowwhat I mean. You can't. But
you know what the bottom line isis vote yes, yes, Susan.
That's exactly what the bottom exactly right, that is the bottom line. Vote.
This is up to us. Wecan either live with the situation the
way it is now, or wecan be proactive to fix it. The
easiest thing that everybody can do isfreaking vote, get out and change and

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change the people who are making thedecisions. Basically, that's that's I could
not have said it better. Susan. Amen, have a great day,
Sandy, you too, Susan.Thank you for the call. I appreciate
it very much. Let's talk toJohn in Uber and John. Welcome to
w RKO. How are you,sir? I'm good, Sandy. Long
time they'll talk to you. You'reyou're okay. Here we go. Okay,

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the prop the peepo that did that. I'm sorry John that you got
put on hold by Mike because we'reup against the break. Stay there.
This is Sandy Shack sitting in forjeff Cooner. And just before the break,
we were speaking with John from Woburnabout the New York City case where

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the Vigilantis caught the rapist of thethirteen year old girl. Yay, everybody's
cheering. They're my heroes. Butthey also beat them up after they had
subdued him, which I has meworried about us going down a very slippery
slope into anarchy and mob rule.And John, you you got caught up
before you could say anything. SoI'm turning the microphone back over to you.

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Thank thank you, Sandy. Iknow a lot of people that are
plotting what they did about eating thesuspect up. He could have rolled by
some under our car and had anice and stabbed somebody in the eye.
So they showed him good, youknow. And yere partly class is down.
I hate to bring it up.And Jeffrey Curley, John and like

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Lincoln Riley parents and all the victimsand that woman with the five kids.
All the things are applauding miss beatingbecause I saw that dirt dog in that
courtroom with with the first guy Imentioned class like tracks storing the yard and

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taunting mister class talked to him.Now they are applauding this. So they
were boundary hunters and they were deputized. We I know, s you are
right, You're one hundred percent right. But there's a thousand people out there
right now sharing it. And youknow, I don't know either, But
I don't know the shoreman that's fundoing it. You know, it might

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have been a mob scene, buthey, God love him. Yeah,
I agree with you, John,I mean, so I'm saying I have
no problem with them. I mean, I'm really impressed with them. They
they got together. These are justneighbors, people who live in the block.
And you know, one of themhad seen this guy at this deli
and recognized him when they saw thewanted poster and said, that guy comes

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here all the time. Got otherpeople who also lived in the hood and
go to that particular deli and they'relike, oh my god, let's and
so they waited for him. Theywaited for him for hours an entire day.
I don't know if they took shipsor how they did it, but
they waited for him, and atone point thirty in the morning, he
showed up and they got together andthey they caught him. They subdued him,

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they tied his legs with a belt, and and they called nine one
one right away. They called nineone one, So I mean, their
intentions were very good. They carriedit out excellently. I am. I'm
just so impressed with them. Andthe only problem that I see that happened
here is that they started anger startedto take over, which is not you

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know, not unsurprising that anger tookover, and they beat the crap out
of him, and they you hearit and see it on the video,
and they bragged the police about beatingthe crap out of them, and they
didn't hurt him too badly. Imean, he wasn't he wasn't badly injured,
and the police took him to thehospital and they were released. He
was arraigned yesterday. But it justthe fact that they did that has me

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concerned that maybe the next mob won'tstop when they're supposed to stop. John
And I understand people who've lost somebodyapplauding at that too, because it gives
you a momentary sense of relief,you know that you've done something. I
think, but I am worried thatthat attitude that is not just going to
be a thousand people applauding its soon, It's going to be ten thousand and

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then one hundred thousand, and thena million people, and then before you
know it, we have move role. That's what I'm worried about. John,
That's silly. Thank you very muchfor well, thank you so much
for calling. I appreciate it verymuch. Let's go to Chris in Norfolk.
Chris, welcome to WRKO. Howare you. I'm good, Thanks
for having me on. You're welcome. Am I am I being too soft
here at Chris? No, Ithink you are absolutely right, maybe a

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little soft. So what I wouldlike to add to the conversation the context
of his apprehension, what it determinedmy behavior. I didn't see the video
because I'm a working man, buthis you know, if he would have
been apprehended and say no, no, no, call the police, this
is a big misunderstanding. I wouldsay, all right, let's all calm
down a minute. If he's tryingto escape and saying no fu and this

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and that. The guy's getting laidout. So I didn't see the video,
and I don't know. I don'tknow what the context is. Again,
understanding, Chris, is what happenedis is he did plead. He
said no, no, he triedto explain, and they said there's no
explanation, and then they subdued him. They got him. They got his
legs tied, so his legs aretied, he can't go anywhere, and

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then they beat the crap out ofthem. And to avoid being beaten,
he rolls under a car. Sowhen you hear on the video which you
played earlier, she'd say, grabhim by the hair. They're trying to
get him out from underneath the carso they can continue beating him. And
that's when the police show up andthey admit to the police, Hey,
we beat the crap out of them, and they're very proud of it.
And I get it, and youknow, because they think he's he's a

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monster, and he is a monster, let's make no mistake about it.
And the police are like, allright, everybody step back, and the
police aren't going to charge anybody herebecause the police are grateful to have had
their help, and I agree withthem. They should be grateful to have
their help. So that's basically thecontext. Chris. The mob attacks that

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guy next, I'm sorry with him. So what I'm saying is, if
somebody into Jackson says no, waitstop, we'll wait for the police to
get hit, the mob turns theirnext attack on that man too. He's
with him. Yeah, I do, and I don't agree with it.
It was an injustice and the nameof justice and that's not justice. No.

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I like to point out to thelisteners that gang rape is a democracy.
Five people say yes, one personsays no. The answers have it.
Wow. I mean it's horrific,it's terrific. That's really an interesting
analogy to bring up. That wouldnot have occurred to me. Wow.

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But that's yeah, that's that's anotherthat's a very dark way to look at
it. But yes, indeed,that is completely accurate. I was trying
to say this earlier, Chris.Is somebody who called and that is that
mobs who was saying, well,there were one hundred percent sure. I'm
like, yeah, they couldn't havebeen one hundred percent sure because all you
had was a wanted poster. Nowwe have the confession, and now we

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have a videotape, and so nowwe know for sure that he did it,
because he says, he admits thathe did