Place of Worship or Hub of Virtue Signaling?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, this is from Mark on a messenger, Jeff. He
makes a great point, an excellent point, Jeff. Can you
imagine if someone actually went to that church in detam
and fix that Nativity scene to what it actually should
belong and remove that ice was here signed, they would

(00:26):
probably get arrested for theft and truspassing, because this is
the world we live in now. You're completely right. If
somebody said, out of hell at you know, I'm just
gonna grab this sign, just take it down, the hell
with it, you know, you'd be arrested on the spot

(00:48):
theft and trustpassing. You'd go to jail. I mean, it's
it's incredible. Six one seven two six six sixty eight
sixty eight. Okay, you can take to the cooonerman seven
zero four seven zero seven zero four seven zero. This
is from six to oh three. And this is a
magnificent point. Please, you got to listen to this because

(01:11):
this is so true. Again, best audience in the business, Jeff.
Jesus turned water to wine, so he must have been
a wine maker. He multiplied the fish and the loaves
of bread and fed the multitude, so I guess he

(01:32):
must have been a restaurant tour, he turned the tables over,
fashioned the whip, and chased the money changers out of
the temple. So I guess Jesus must have been the
first member of Antifa. My point is this, if we
want to twist and pervert the Gospels to suit our

(01:54):
own agendas, we can make it say pretty much whatever
we want it to. But I'll tell you this, though, Jeff,
Heaven has a strict immigration policy, but Hell has open borders.

(02:15):
This is the fatal flaw of every globalist, left wing Christian.
I don't care, Protestant, Catholic Orthodox, I don't care. I
don't care. Heaven has high walls and strict borders. Very

(02:36):
few are allowed in. Now, that's just a fact. Today.
The Bible on this is crystal clear. Christian teaching is
crystal clear. Common sense is crystal clear. You think God

(02:58):
just says to everybody, come on in? You know here
it is the pearly gates of heaven. Come on, hey,
eternal salvation. You got it. But I'm a murderer, who cares,
I'm a rapist, who cares, I'm an adulter or whatever.
You know, all I did was cheat on my wife
all my life. Come on, in Baby. In other words,

(03:23):
Heaven has strict borders. Only a few are allowed in Hell.
On the other hand, he's you know, six oh three
is completely right. It's full, It's full. The borders are
wide open, baby. Believe me, the devil will take anybody.

(03:45):
Six one seven two six, six sixty eight sixty eight agree, disagree?
Bill and Waltham, thanks for holding Bill and welcome.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Hey, Jeff. I'm a regular parishioner at Saint Mary's in Waltham.
I attended Saint Mary's Saturday at four, but then I said, Sunday,
you know, I'm going to go over to Dead at
ten am to see what's going on over there. Ten
am is their only mass, by the way, which tells
you a lot of things in terms of the volume
of activity they have. They very small parish. So I
go in. I'm really I'm there a half hour early.

(04:19):
I walk in. I go to get some holy water.
All four of the vessels of holy water are covered
up with a piece of paper with some comment on them.
And I turned to this woman who'd appeared to be
a bit of a greeter. I said, what's up with
your holy water? Because we haven't had that since May
since March of twenty twenty, when COVID began to go
that's silly. So I go to the Mass, people start

(04:41):
coming in. It's profoundly loud and chatty, which is actually
wrong in the Catholic Church supposed to do that after Mass.
But then the other big thing that took place there
was a baptism of a child of two lesbian women
during during masks. Now I'm in favor of baptists of
that child, don't get me wrong, but that baptism could

(05:02):
have been handled privately in a ceremony outside of the
vision of the church members. And then there were some
elements of the maths that were just so well, he
couldn't believe it. But when I left, I wanted to
go right out the front doors, which is the way
I come in. But that's where Ted Weyman had been
positioned with Channel five prior to the masks. Well, they

(05:25):
had four or five people blocking eight doors that lead
to the out to the front, and everyone's asked out
towards the right, which actually made more sense because that's
way where the parking lot is. So I had to go.
I've said I'm going out the front door, but the
gay id, you can't go all that way, I goes
out of my way. So he moved and I went
out the front door. Didn't matter because Ted Weyman had

(05:45):
moved to where the people were exiting the church. Anyway,
I walked past Ted and I said to Ted, these
people need to be exposed. And then I just walked
over to my car. My car wasn't that far. So
he came over to me and chatted with me. He said,
listen to it. I'm not the pope, but this what
the doing here is wrong and they need to be
admonished by the authorities. And that's that. And so it

(06:06):
was just interesting. It's a very very woke crowd. I'm
seventy years old. I felt young there, and there were
some younger people and it was it was just a
they have an interesting feature there. Though they don't have missiles.
That's a pretty good thing. They project the words for
the songs on a wall. It's actually a pretty smart idea.

(06:28):
But the music they chose were like, we all belong
and everyone belongs here, and everyone is welcome.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Bob Bill, fascinating Bill. I'm up against it. Can you
please hang on? Okay, let's go right back to Bill
in Wallfam sort of are are on the ground, correspondent.
He went to Saint Susanna's parish in Dedham, even though
his parish is Saint Mary's in Wallfam. But so he

(06:55):
went to church on Saturday. Bill, I think you said
what the four o'clock mat, right or the five o'clock mass.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
I went to the four o'clock Mass on Saturday, same areas,
but I also go to the eight am Mass on
Sunday at Cathedral holy Cross. I went there. You know,
I had time after Mass at Cathedral holy Cross to
drive a half hour to Dennhim and make their ten
o'clock math.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
So I did, ass you, Bill, God bless you. Wow. Okay,
you're making me feel inadequate here, Bill, but you know
I just go to church once on Sunday. But okay,
but let that go. So Bill, it's amazing. I mean
what you described is utterly amazing. So you went to
Saint Susanna's. This was at ten o'clock. They only have

(07:43):
one mass, which you're right, does say a lot. For example,
my parish has three, right in many parishes have at
least two, usually three on a Sunday, So that says
a lot.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Now.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Honestly, the part that I'm having a hard time wrap
my mind around is you walk in there's no holy water,
and there's no holy water because, according to you, for
the last five years since the pandemic, but was in
March twenty twenty, they've covered up the bulls with the water.
And you said, there's some kind of a note written

(08:16):
on every one of the bulls. Is that it?

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Did?

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I get that right?

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Build, Yes, there is a note on top covering the vessel,
and I said there. I took a picture of it
and I just sent it to you by email. It
says I can't remember what it says because I can
pull it up, I guess. But nevertheless, there are four
vessels for holy water and they're covered up. I turned
to this woman who represents herself as a very nice greeter,

(08:42):
and I said, what, no holy water goes. We haven't
had that since COVID in March or twenty twenty. And
I said, I said that's silly, and she walks away
and I said, why would you do that? And I
said to you, and she kept walking away, said I'm
talking to you. You're gonna respond, And this man who
overheard me said you responded to you said, we haven't
done it since March twenty twenty. I said, why are
you doing it? Well, it's you know, germs. I go

(09:04):
over it and then.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yay ay, yeah, yay. Bill, I've got to ask you this.
So did Father Josoma? Did he preside over mass? Bill?

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yes, yes, he did preside over the mask?

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yes, Oh he did preside over the mass. Okay, how
did he? Two questions Bill? Number one, how does he
strike you? Just overall the way he conducts the mass,
what he says from the pulpit in his homily. Just
does he strike you as a far left wing activist?
And and the way he speaks, the way he carries himself,

(09:45):
his demeanor, what did you make of him? And number
two did he address the controversy? I'm just curious.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
I was.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
I was waiting for that as well. And overall he's
he's quite compliant to a conventional mask up and now
I just come from a mass an hour and a
half earlier. So but and and I also remembered the
gospel that was held at the mass earlier. If he's
lily cross but involved? What I noticed was and when
he stood and gave the read the read the Gospels.

(10:15):
He stood away from a lectern, away from a pulpit,
just down on on on on a free standing, if
you will, looking towards the parishioners, as if, and I
believe I couldn't turn to confirm, as if it was
being projected to a screen, which is a brilliant idea.
And he was reading from something. He wasn't holding anything,

(10:38):
nor was anybody holding anything for him. And I know
he was reading the Gospel as he was read, because
I just heard it an hour and a half earlier
in the day before, for that matter, and it was
it's involved. I had some key words that are not
in all lexicon these days. So but I that was
a brilliant idea. Because the parishioners don't have any miss
elects there. They don't sing of a book that when

(11:01):
the song comes up they project the words onto a
wall to the left of the crucifix. It's really a
nice idea. But the song they choose were so weird.
They opened the mask with this way way, way too
long song that has words like all are welcome here,
we are all welcoming, blah blah blah blah, this whole

(11:23):
this fuzzy, feel good, like all welcome anybody, you know,
I need to be I don't mean to be unkind
to these people. I think their hearts are in the
right places. I think they just overly woke. And I
think I was identified as a as a stranger when
during the mask, if you call, there's a portion of
the mask where they say, Lamb of God, take away,

(11:44):
this is the world grant us peace. And that's when
you start to kneel. Well, I after Lamb of God
take away, this is the world grant us peace. I
go down to kneel. Everyone else is still standing. Well,
I kept my ground and kept kept an kneeling position.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Why don't they kneel? I don't understand that.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Uh, I just it's while the while the host is
being constant concentrated, presumably, and then you need to get
up and and and you do the our Father and
so on. But I'm out of think. But my point
was there was a significant time where I was on
my knees and the other Persians were still standing, and
it was it's the it's the sacred part of the

(12:25):
mask where things are really happening up on the altar
with us.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
That is bizarre, Holy mackerel, that's bizarre. Did he address
the controversy at all? Did he say anything?

Speaker 2 (12:40):
And he's quite articulate, and uh, And he finally got
to back to the elephant in the room, which was,
you know, the controversy. And by the way, all three
of those figurines, the baby Jesus, the Virgin Mary and Joseph,
and the donkey a Ka asked, but are also at
the foot of the They're not taking away at attention somewhere,

(13:02):
they're inside the church. So but he basically said, we're
gonna have a meeting after mask with the authorities of
the church and to discuss what their response would be
to the Archdioceis was the overarching message. He how do
we call anything controversial? Beyond beyond that? But I mean,

(13:23):
I was trying to get a feel of the tone
when when people started to come in and fill up,
fill up the church. As I got there early as
the person one there, I kept on noticing how loud
it was, with people like how you doing, I'm going
to see you, Huggy, Huggy, and they were in conversation
vot mode like you know, normal like cocktail party volume,
which I'm not I'm not a I'm pretty sum but

(13:48):
but it got it actually got quite loud, and it
wasn't I didn't notice to my to my left, I
couldn't see through all the people where they have their
baptismal font But there was a baptism, but I couldn't
see who the parties were as crowd. It wasn't until
towards the end of the mass the priest asked the
party involved in the baptisms come forward, and I saw

(14:09):
a baby who is more like a year and a
half old, which is very old to be baptized. I'm
not criticizing that's I'm glad the baby got a child
got baptized. But it was a woman, a woman, a woman,
a girl, a woman and a man.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Lesbians, Yeah, two lesbians and the baby. And unbelievable. I
just you know, I'm telling you this is a yeah, yay, ay,
yeah yay. Bill, phenomenal job. I mean, really, Bill, listen,
I'm gonna now baptize you, consecrate you as are on

(14:48):
the ground. Religious correspondent. Bill, absolutely phenomenal job explaining and
giving all the details and telling us exactly what you
saw this past weekend. Bill please don't be a stranger.
Called again my friend six one seven and thank you
six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight.

(15:09):
Now apparently I'm just going by what off you know,
what the father Josoma has been telling the media. He
says that there are a lot of illegals that go
to the church. That's what he says. He says, they're
from Honduras, they're from Guatemala. He's even got a few
from Afghanistan. So he says, we have a lot of

(15:30):
illegals in our church, and so they're a part of
his community. His parish dead him by extension, and so
he says that he's going to defend his parishioners no
matter what, and that his parishioners want him to do
what he's doing regarding the Nativity scene. And my answer

(15:51):
to that is very simple, who cares what they want?
I mean, they could want you to give the Eucharist
to anybody, you know, I mean they really, I mean
they could, you know, they they could tell you know,
they could want you to I'm not kidding, uh, you know,
throw a party pretty much. It seems that they are
throwing a party. But throw a party during Mass Just

(16:13):
because they want you to do something doesn't mean you
should do it. You're the priest, you should know better.
You should know the gospels, you should know theology, you
should know church teaching. I mean you should know what's
appropriate and what's not appropriate. I mean, hello, why did
you go to the seminary? Six one seven two six

(16:34):
six sixty eight sixty eight. That thing is it's more
like a zoo than a church. I'm gonna be honest
with you, like a theological moral zoo. Ay ya yaie,
and no holy water. It's been five years and you know,
a church. It's supposed to be somber, solemn, serious. It's

(16:59):
the house of God Od. It's not a nightclub. It's
not a bar. It's not a social club. You know,
it's not a Hey, Timmy, tim Jimmy, let me give
you a hug. Let me give you a hug. I mean,
you're suppose it's the house of God. You're there to

(17:22):
be respectful, you're there to worship, you're there to pray.
It's supposed to be serious, solemn, hy yah yay, hey
yeah yay. Six one seven two six six sixty eight
sixty eight is the number. Okay, just very quick. Lisa
makes a really good point on Messenger from you know,

(17:44):
regarding Bill and Waltham's call, where you said, you know,
I went to Saint Susannah and it was more like
a club than it was an actual mass. And people
are hugging each other and you know, talking to each
other and you know, embracing each other, and and but
they won't have holy water because apparently the germs for
going all the way back to COVID. It has been

(18:05):
five years. And Lisa makes the point, Jeff, funny, they're
hugging and being loud and interacting with each other. Isn't
that spreading germs? But no holy water for five years?
That is just crazy. At Leasta, you think a yeah,

(18:28):
I mean this is indeed, it's a lunatic asylum. That's
what that church is. I'm telling you it's a lunatic asylum.
Six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight
Lee in Waltham, Thanks for holding Lee, and welcome hello.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
It was a long wait but worth it. Go ahead, okay,
so you know what's going on and get them just
pruves the ignorance of the left. It proves is ignorance.
First of all, the Holy Family was going traveling to.

Speaker 5 (19:08):
The census, so they were going back.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
To register as good citizens. So how does that implement
the illegal thing? And let me just.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
Say that he's already the pastor over there has already
been given notice by the archdiocese to take it down.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
He's not taking it down. What they should do is
not to frock him. They should send him to be
pastor over in Somonia or maybe Nigeria where they're where
they're slaughtering Christians.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
Let him go.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
Let him go to one of those countries and just
have a look and see what's going on. You know,
that might change his liberal mind. It's just what they're
doing is blasphemous anyway, and they continue to do it,
which is arrogance anyway. It's unbelievable. And let me say

(20:15):
that right now, I'm making my Christmas list. There's a
member of my family who is way over in the
left and was outraged that they were snatching people in
Boston out of the line to take their citizenship. And

(20:37):
you know what struck me is on further, I mean
common sense. The President has already declared nineteen countries as
being most countries that we have an issue with and
we need to vet these people before they put the
hand on the Bibles raise their right hand. I need

(21:01):
them to be truly that it's not vetted in the
manner in which the past administration and administrations laural have
vetted people. So there's a long list that they plucked out,
the woman who just had the baby and the guy
who's a great father, and look at the big picture.

(21:25):
And I replied to my relative who's very my goddaughter
and basically true insults at me as I'm the ignorant one,
and I'm planning to send her a gift anyway for Christmas,
because that's who I am. But where's the respect of

(21:49):
the left to those of us?

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Look, they have none, and they're completely intolerant. I deal
with them every day on emails, you name it. They
don't have the guts. Most of them don't have the
guts to call the show. But the attacks it's always personal,
it's vicious, it's nasty, it's that hominem. They never deal

(22:13):
with the issues because they can't, and so they're completely
intolerant because they know they're wrong. They can't intellectually back
up their position. And you can see it within thirty seconds,
their argument begins to collapse. But I've got to say this, Lee,
and look, this is your family, and I don't want
to meddle in your family's affairs. And I think it's

(22:34):
beautiful and wonderful and frankly very Christian of you that
you're going to get your god daughter a Christmas gift,
even though she's been so insulting to you. But I
got to be honest, you're her godmother and you've been
nothing but good to her. To me, I would never
tolerate that from my children. I don't know where the

(22:55):
mother or the parents are with the goddaughter. I don't
want to get involved. But you know, if I found
out that my Ashton or Maeva, and I don't care
what the age is, we're being insulting and disrespectful to
their god parents over what a political disagreement, I'd say,
I'm sorry, I didn't raise you like that. Call your

(23:15):
godmother and you apologize right now. I don't care, Dad,
I'm forty, I'm forty five. I don't care if you're
eighty and I'm a hundred. I don't care. You don't
disrespect your family members. You want to have a disagreement,
that's fine. I've never said you got to agree with anybody.

(23:37):
But this is your godmother who's been nothing but good
to you your entire life, So show some respect. And
this is what I find. This is the thing about
the left. Honestly, above everything else that I find is
it's toxic. It's frankly poisonous. It's poison. They put ideology

(23:57):
above everything. And just to bring it full circle, they
put ideology above religion. They put ideology above God. They
put ideology above church. They're putting ideology now above Jesus, okay,
above Christmas. But they put it above family. They put
it above their parents, they put it above their siblings,

(24:19):
they put it above friendship. And to them this all
seems so normal, Like I'll just give you an example.
These clowns on the view. And by the way, this
is all like all these liberals are nodding their head
on the view. They're saying, no, don't go to your
parents's Christmas dinner if you don't agree with them on Trump,

(24:41):
don't go or Thanksgiving. Don't go to your parents's Thanksgiving dinner,
or your sisters or your brothers, or your uncles or
your aunts or wherever you go to congregate, to to
give thanks, to have Thanksgiving together. No you disagree with Trump,
don't go. So what you're going You're gonna break up

(25:02):
a family. You're gonna destroy a family, the harmony of
a family. You're gonna miss out on one of the
great memories of life to be together, whether it's Thanksgiving,
whether it's Christmas, whatever it is. Because what you hate
Trump that much? Like, I'm sorry I have to say
this to the left. Are you so stupid and ignorant

(25:24):
and one dimensional? You can't talk about anything other than
your hatred for Trump. You can't talk about family, your work,
the weather, sports, movies, culture, whatever, what's going on in
your life and give thanks and enjoy the meal and

(25:47):
enjoy people's company. You're so consumed with this Trump arrangement syndrome,
Like you can't have two hours at a dinner table.
What taking the knife out and saying, you know, ho
support Trump? Whose are called cut your jugular right now?
I'll cut your throat right now. And these people are savages.

(26:09):
They're barbarians. I'm telling you, they're intellectual barbarians, cultural, moral barbarians.
So that's the thing I can't stand about the left.
The one sin above all is that for them, ideology
comes above people, it comes above everything, their parents, their family,

(26:34):
their blood, their siblings, their church, their faith, God himself.
And I'm telling you that's Marxism, that's communism. And what
you're seeing now with this renegade, rogue far left priest,
this is communism infiltrating the church. I'm telling you that's

(26:56):
what this is. And it's not just a Catholic Church.
Because I thought Augustine made a very good point. It's true.
I mean, I'm not knocking Protestantism. I have tremendous respect
for Protestantism, really honestly, and there are some excellent denominations.
But I've got Protestant churches all around me. It's the
rainbow flag, one after another, after another after another. So

(27:21):
what I'm saying is it's communism infiltrating. I don't care
if it's the Orthodox Christian Church, many Protestant denominations, the
Catholic Church. It's got to be stopped. It's a cancer.
Six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight agree, disagree, Maestro, Mike,

(27:44):
Who would you like me to go to next? Okay, Bob,
in Rainom. Thanks for holding Bob and welcome.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Hey guess how's it going good?

Speaker 1 (27:55):
How are you, Bob?

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Great?

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Hey, I'd like to go at this from a different angle,
if I may. I mean, in my opinion, at least
that priest is showing his true colors. The Catholic Church
is acting as an NGO, and they're getting a lot
of cash, and they're eating and a betting the invasion
of our country. So they'll use this guy as a

(28:23):
you know, as cannon fodder, and they'll slap him on
the wrist and they'll make him put the the you know,
the baby Jesus back and Mary and Joseph. But behind
the scenes, they're eating and betting the invasion of our country,
not only here in the United States, but around the
world because they're all in on open borders and and

(28:49):
you know, destroying or I don't say destroying the nation,
but they're they're all in on the illegal immigration.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Oh, there's no question. I mean, this is this is
to me, the the seminal sin of Pope Prancis's papacy,
the late Pope Francis, and it's continued now under Pope Leo.
You know, Pope Leo has gone on about how this,
you know, the South, the global South, meaning the third world,
is a missionary activity now for the church that they're

(29:24):
according to him, we should be welcoming this unlimited third
world immigration because these third world groups are apparently re
evangelizing the United States and Europe and the northern part
of the globe. And I'm like, they're not re evangelizing anything.
They're making it. They're gonna drive us into bankruptcy. They're

(29:45):
bankrupting the northern part of the globe. No, this is
the problem, okay, And I'm gonna lay it out very clearly.
The Catholic Church for decades turned a blind eye to
sex abuse scandal after or sex abuse scandal after sex
abuse scandal. They covered it up. And finally, when you

(30:07):
cover up something, it always ends up becoming much worse.
And so it is now really financially economically pulverized the church.
Massive lawsuit after massive lawsuit, they got to make payout
and settlement after payout and settlement. So the church is broke.

(30:27):
Forty years of covering up sex abuse and now they're broke,
and it's been massive settlements and they've drained the coffers,
the treasury and so they need an extra source of
income and what they collect from the Sunday collection plates
is not enough. So hello comes Catholic Charities, and Catholic

(30:50):
Charities has now become now the Lutherans as well, There's
others as well. It's not just Catholics. I'm not saying
this as a Catholic. I'm just saying to be fair,
also several Protestant denominations that are big into resettling Third
worlders and illegals. But Catholic Charities is one of the
biggest a in the United States and b in the world,

(31:14):
and they're getting they're making billions of dollars, They're being
paid billions of dollars to act as this ultimate NGO
to resettle illegal aliens and people from the Third World
across the United States, across Canada, across Europe. But I'm
just talking about Catholic charities in America. It's a multi

(31:38):
billion dollar industry for the Church. So I've said this
over and over again. You are financially and morally compromised
when you speak out on the issue of illegal immigration
and open borders because you now have a deep financial
vested interest. And I'm sorry, that's not the role of

(32:00):
the church. The church has always been, and should be
in its past, morally independent period full stop. Instead, now
you become financially dependent. Now, I'm telling you it's gotten
to the point. In my parish once in a while,

(32:22):
for the second collection plate, they'll say, oh, the money's
going to go to Catholic charities, and then you know,
they can't lie, so they say it goes to help
the poor, it goes to help the needy, and for migrants.
They throw that in at the end, at the end
and end they go, you know, it goes to help
the homeless, it helps the poor, it helps the needy,

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and of course migrants. Well I used to give the
Catholic charities. Now I'm like, no, I'm not giving you
my money. I'm not going to give you my money
to resettle illegal aliens. Absolutely not, especially when the taxpayer
is already paying so much. I'm not going to give

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you any more. So this is the problem. This is
why if you're noticing the ambivalence of the archdiocese. Okay,
let's just put our cards on the table. Look, I'm sorry.
When the bishop tells you to take it down, it's
like an order from your commander in the military. You

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take it down. There's no discussion.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
It's like in my home when I or my wife,
you know, when I tell the kids turn the music down,
it goes down. Or if my wife says, you know,
knock it off or whatever. You know, onset the table,
onset the table. An order has been given. Move as
I like to say, my house, move your ass.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Move.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
So when the Archdiocese of Boston, speaking on behalf of
Bishop Richard Henning in his full authority, says take it down,
you take it down. It's like an order from a general.
That's it. There's no discussion, it's done.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Move on. Okay.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
It's like what it should be in a home when
a mother or a father, a parent gives an order,
it's an order, that's it. Move on. No, this guy
is still defying them, and it's been I don't know
a couple of days now he's still defying them. The
order went out, he's defying him. Sunday, the order went out,
he's defying the Monday. Now we're into Tuesday. Now. I'm

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telling you a part of the reason is they're financially
and morally conflicted. They see the massive pr disast. This
has become believe me, Cooner country is all over this
as is. This is coming in from all over the

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United States, and the archdiocese is like, we can't defend this.
This this idiot, this idiot took the baby Jesus and
Mary and Joseph out of the manger for God's sake
and puts him in the church somewhere and he puts
an ice wiss here signed is this guy on drugs.

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You can't defend that. It's the indefensible from any point
of view, it's indefensible. So they gotta tell him you
knock it off, take it down. But on the other hand,
they need the money. They are giving sanctuary to illegals
in that church and they know it. And the church

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has been like this for you know, parishes all across
the country and across the world. So we got to
slap him on the wrist, but not slap him too hard,
and we gotta tell him to stop. But we can't
really defrog because this will open up a Pandora's box
because there's other priests that are doing what he's doing,

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but just in not such a blatant, brazen way. And
that's why they're paralyzed. Now I'm sorry, I mean, this
is now it's becoming a crisis within the church. Like
I almost feel like picking up the phone, I'm serious
and saying to the bishop, you know, Bishop Hennying, would
all due respect sir, this is now your authority and

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the authority of the church. Like does it mean something
or does it mean you know, does it mean something
or does it mean nothing? Does it mean anything? Like
this guy, he's making a mockery of everything. He's making
a mockery of the Nativity, He's making a mockery of Christmas,
he's making a mockery of Jesus. He's making a mockery

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of the Church. And just so that the church understands,
you know, how much this underminds morale among Catholics and
among Christians. Like, what are we now talking about? This
is what I said earlier. This is like telling my
children at the dinner table, Hey, heat would have forken knife?

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What are you savages? But you're just gonna grab rice
and throw it in your mouth. Well, you're just gonna
grab the piece of meat and just with your hands
and start chewing on it. There's a fork, there's a knife.
Be civilized. We're now talking about the Nativity scene. Seriously,

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this is what we're talking about now. The baby Jesus
is now controversial. It's now it has to be politicized.
So that's it. Now we're not even gonna have a
Nativity scene because everybody's gonna turn it into their own
political football or use it for their own political agenda.

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I mean, Bob, I don't know what to say. Like
sometimes I ask myself, is this how the end of
the Roman Empire felt? Where everything is just crumbling around you?
So I'm asking them to do the bare minimum, to
do the most basic of the basics. It's a nativity scene.

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Those are sacred objects regarding a sacred scene central to
the Christian story about the birth of a beautiful baby,
the son of God, with the Virgin Mother and the
and Joseph, the Son of God was born peace and
goodwill to all of us. And you can't stand up

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for that. People say, we're being distracted, distracted from what