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July 15, 2025 • 47 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, Cooner country. Okay, my friends, a major policy
shift yesterday. We saw it coming now for a couple
of weeks Trump and his administration were telegraphing it, but
it was all official yesterday. So at the White House,

(00:21):
President Trump met with the current Secretary General of NATO,
Mark Root, and together the two men now announced a
dramatic new policy regarding Trump, the United States, and the
Russia Ukraine War. Trump, now, after having campaigned on America

(00:43):
first that he would not send a single penny to
this continuing bloodbath in Ukraine, now has done a dramatic reversal.
And to be fair to Trump, we are not now
going to be set billions of dollars in advanced US weapons.

(01:04):
What Trump is now doing is we are gonna sell them.
It's a ten billion dollar plus massive weapons package to Ukraine,
but through NATO. So the way it's gonna work is
wealthy NATO European countries like Germany, like Finland, Norway, A seven, Denmark,

(01:28):
Netherlands are gonna purchase US weapons at some of our
best weapons, and then they're gonna quickly distribute them to
the Ukrainians so they can head off of Vladimir Putin's
massive summer offensive. In fact, they even already have some

(01:49):
weapons ready to go. The Germans, the Dutch and others
are gonna be sending them within a couple of days.
When they deplete their stockpiles, will replenish them by selling
them our weapons to NATO. So we are now gonna
arm Ukraine to the teeth through NATO in a weapons sale.

(02:14):
A lot of these weapons are gonna lead to a
massive escalation in this war. Let's not kid each other.
Trump now, as he said, we're giving Ukraine quote unquote
everything patriot missiles, air defense systems, long range missiles, offensive missiles, ammunition,

(02:37):
you name it. Everything Ukraine needs, it's now gonna get,
and then some. In fact, many of the weapons that
Ukraine are gonna receive are the kind of missiles and
the kind of weapons that can reach very deep inside Russia.
As Trump now said, he wants to break Putin. He

(02:59):
wants put to feel the pain of having continuously strung
him along. As Trump said, he's not interested in a
peace deal. He has not been interested in months. He
talks a good game on the phone, and then by
the time in the evening he is launching missile and
drone strikes on Ukrainian cities all over that country. On

(03:23):
top of now selling Ukraine through NATO a massive weapons package,
he is also going to now impose potential tariffs and
sanctions not just on Russia, which will be crippling, but
on other countries that buy Russian oil and natural gas.

(03:44):
He wants to cut off the financial lifeline of Putin's regime,
to economically cripple Putin and Russia and force them to
the negotiating table. And so he announced yesterday that if
who does not agree to a ceasefire within fifty days,

(04:05):
he will impose a one hundred percent Trump will a
one hundred percent tariff on Russia and on as well
as secondary tariffs on China, on India, on Brazil, on
any other countries in the world that continue to buy
Russian oil and natural gas. He also says he may

(04:30):
sanction those countries if they continue to buy Russian goods,
especially oil and natural gas, with which the Kremlin continues
to sell on the international market, and the proceeds of
which continue to fund Russia's war machine. So, as I
said on X last night, and I want to repeat it,

(04:54):
we are now effectively in a new Cold War with Russia.
This is Cold War two point zero. And Trump is right.
He said he inherited this war from Biden, but now
it is becoming his war. He is the one now

(05:14):
who is sanctioning a massive weapons sale to Ukraine. Is
that we are now directly interfering in that war in
order to try to stop Russia from winning this on
the battlefield, out and out, and to force putin to
some kind of a peace deal. We are also now
going to apply maximum economic pressure on Russia and on

(05:39):
the other countries that are buying Russian oil and Russian gas.
Listen now to Trump saying, Ukraine now is gonna get
our very best weapons. They need it. Their backs are
against the wall. They are slowly losing this war. The
Russians are pouring troops, massive firepower, huge drone and missile

(06:04):
strikes all across the Eastern front. Towns and strategic villages
are falling in the east. Ukraine may not hold out
by the end of the summer. And Trump says he
will not let Ukraine fall on his watch. Roll cut one, Mike.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
We basically are going to send them various pieces are
very sophisticated military They're going to pay US one hundred
percent for them, and that's the way we want it,
and we've been trying to get that again. By I
don't think Biden never asked one. We're in for about
three hundred and fifty billion. Europe is in for.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
One hundred million.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
That's a lot of money one hundred.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
But they should be in actually for more than us.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
So as we send equipment, they're going to reaverse US
to that equipment.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Doesn't that sound good?

Speaker 2 (06:57):
That's the way it should have been a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Well, I'm look, it's better that he's selling it rather
than as Biden did, just give it away. So as
I said, okay, that is better. But how is this America? First?
I have to ask no one is asking a very
obvious question. Russia is not a member of NATO. I'm

(07:23):
just stating facts. Ukraine is not a member of NATO.
So why is NATO involved? If Russia is not a member?
Whatever you think of this war, if Russia is not
a member of NATO and Ukraine is not a member
of NATO, then why is NATO involved? Furthermore, we are

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now directly escalating this war. We are now giving Ukrainians
some of our best weapons, our most advanced weapons. By
the way, as our military stockpiles are being depleted, we
don't even have enough Patriot missiles to defend our own homeland.
We don't even have enough of these interceptor missiles to

(08:06):
defend our own homeland. We're running low on ammunition literally
and ammunition rounds to protect the United States of America.
Our military stockpiles are depleted, and yet we're going to
send over some of our best weapons or to sell
them to be more accurate, through NATO to Ukraine. How

(08:29):
is this America first? So now we are on the
side of Ukraine in order to try to break Vladimir Putin,
and I fear the only thing that is going to
come of this is going to be more bloodshed, more
dead Russians, more dead Ukrainians. Six one seven two six

(08:50):
six sixty eight, sixty eight is the number. Okay, major
major announcement by President Trump yesterday. Basically it is the
Biden policy when it comes to Ukraine, with the exception
being we are going to be selling NATO the weapons,
who are then going to give it to the Ukrainians

(09:13):
rather than just giving it to the Ukrainians. It is
going to be over ten billion dollars. We are going
to be selling Ukraine, even as Trump put it, our
best weapons. It is going to be patriot missiles, air
defense systems, long range missiles, ammunition that the Ukrainians as

(09:34):
well desperately need. They are going to get absolutely everything.
Zelensky is going to be armed to the teeth. And
the reason Ukraine now is clearly losing the war, there
is no question about it. The Russians are moving along
the eastern front. Putin has now replenished his forces with
fifty thousand troops, a barrage, a nightly barrage of punishing

(10:00):
air missile strikes and drone strikes that are pounding Ukrainian cities.
The fear now is Ukraine can lose the war. Trump
says he will not let that happen on his watch.
He now wants to reverse what's happening on the battlefield
in order to force Putin to a negotiated settlement. Listen

(10:23):
now to Trump. This was at Andrews Air Force Base,
roll Cut one a Mike.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
I haven't agreed with the number yet, but they're gonna
have some because.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
They do need projection.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
But the European Union is paying for it.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
We're not paying anything for it, but we will send it.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
It'll be business for us, and we will send them patriots,
which they desperately need. Because Putiny really surprised a lot
of people. He talks nice, and that he bombs everybody
in the evening. There's a little bit of a problem there.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
I don't like it, and he goes, I don't like it,
and so he's going to try to even out the
battlefield and hopefully contain Putin, and then by the fall
he's looking at some time in the early fall for
some kind of a deal between Moscow and Kiev. Now

(11:18):
I have many problems with this policy. The biggest one
this is none of our business. As I said in
my opening monologue, but I want to repeat it, it's
not our business, it's not NATO's business. Russia is not
a member of NATO. Ukraine is not a member of NATO.
So why is NATO getting involved? Now We've already sent

(11:39):
over three hundred and fifty billion dollars. The Europeans have
sent hundreds of billions of dollars, and much of that
has been stolen or siphoned off by the corrupt Ukrainian regime.
So now we're going to give them what another ten
fifteen to twenty billion of our latest, most advanced in

(12:01):
some of our best weapons. So now we are underwriting
the regime in Ukraine. We are guaranteeing essentially their success,
their defense, and their survival. Now nobody is asking the
obvious question because it's clear Trump is now under tremendous

(12:22):
pressure from the military industrial complex. Lindsey Graham and Dick Blumenthal,
d Nang Dick a mister stolen Valor, We're the ones
that are spearheading a lot of this. They put a
lot of pressure on Trump to send this massive weapons package,
to impose these crippling tariffs and sanctions, and in fact,

(12:44):
they want to even up the tariffs to five hundred percent,
not one hundred, but five hundred percent. So the globalists
are celebrating Lindsey Graham and Danang Dick are I mean,
they couldn't be happier with what's happening right now because
Ukraine and Russia are now involved in a proxy war.

(13:08):
This is now a proxy war between Russia and the
United States over Ukraine, and if we're not careful, this
could suck us into an actual war because what nobody
is asking, is that now that we're going to be
sending a whole package of long range offensive missiles that

(13:29):
cannot just hit Moscow or Saint Petersburg, but can hit
very deep inside Russian territory. NATO missiles. Remember now we're
selling them, but NATO is handing out these, these equipment,
this military hardware, and these missiles to Ukraine. So these

(13:49):
are NATO missiles that are going to be fired directly
into Russian territory. What if Russia decides to retaliate and say, well,
if NATO can get involved in this war between two
non NATO countries and have their missiles fired on our soil,

(14:10):
killing our people, well we're going to launch some long
range missiles into say Poland, or into the Baltic States,
or into you take your pick, Germany or whatever, into
a NATO country. Does that then trigger the Article five
provision in the NATO treaty, which then forces the United

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States to defend NATO and go to war against Russia.
All we're doing now is reigniting a conflict, escalating a conflict,
and making it a possible path or road to World
War three. That's all we're doing. And in the end.

(14:57):
If no one else has the guts to say it,
gonna say it because this needs to be said. Putin
has already won the war. He has won this war.
He has won the don Bass, he has won the
four key territories or provinces that he wants in eastern Ukraine.

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On the ground, the Russians are not gonna lose this war.
So what's another ten fifteen, twenty billion dollars of our
best military equipment gonna do nothing? What are tariffs gonna
do against Russia? Nothing? We already trade very little with
the Russians, So what are we gonna tariff? There's gonna

(15:42):
be no impact. Okay, listen now to President Trump. Yesterday
he was in the Oval Office when he made his
dramatic announcement that we are now going to be selling
a massive weapons package through NATO to Ukraine. Arming now Ukraine,
I mean they will be armed to the hilt. There

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is going to be some serious fighting now over the
next couple of months as Russia now pours even more
forces along a long front line, as they try to
push deeper and deeper into Ukraine to deliver a decisive victory.
And we are now going to give Ukraine pretty much
the ability to strike deep into Russia at will, to

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knock their planes out of the sky and their missiles,
and to give the Ukrainian the beleaguered Ukrainian forces all
of the tanks, artillery ammunition that they need to launch
a huge counter offensive six one seven two six six
sixty eight sixty eight. It is very clear that Trump

(16:47):
is upset about Putin and back and forth phone call
after phone call in which Trump believes he's been strung
along by Vladimir Putin that he's you know, says very
nice things on the phone, he's diplomatic, he wants peace,
and yet he says when I get off the phone,

(17:07):
suddenly I hear he's bombing another city, or bombing another town,
or his soldiers have captured another village or another strategic position.
Listen now to Trump saying, you know, I'm tired of
Putin telling me he wants peace, but in reality it's

(17:28):
war war war. Roll cut three, Mike, how did you tell.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
I speak to him a lot about getting this thing done,
and I always hang up and say, well, that was
a nice phone going. Then missiles its launched into Kieva
some other city, And I said it's strange. And after
that happens three or four times, you say the talk
doesn't mean anything. My conversations with him are always very pleasant.

(18:00):
I say, isn't that a very lovely conversation?

Speaker 1 (18:03):
And then the missiles go off.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
That night, I go home, I tell the first lady
and I spoke to Vladimir today. We had a wonderful conversation.
She said, oh, really, another city was just hit.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
So he now says he wants to equalize the forces
on the battlefield and give Ukraine now the opportunity to
blunt this offensive and to really bloody Russia's nose. And
he believes by doing this it will that, combined with
the tariffs and the sanctions should they kick in in

(18:37):
fifty days, that this will break Putin and end this
war once and for all. Now final point, and then
I want to go to the phone. Lines six one
seven two, six, six sixty eight sixty eight is the number.
The problem with all of this is that there is
no exit strategy, and no one is sei this from

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Putin's point of view. And it's not a question of
moral equivalents or a question of loving Vladimir Putin or
believing in Vladimir Putin, or agreeing with Vladimir Putin. But
as any general will tell you, worth his or her salt,
as any wartime leader will tell you, with his or
her salt, you have to get into the mind of

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your enemy. You have to get into the mind of
the people that you're trying to get a peace deal from.
And what's in Vladimir Putin's mind, what is driving him?
What is his calculation in all of this. Putin now
clearly is going for a decisive, knockout victory on the battlefield.

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He doesn't want to just grind this out at the
negotiating table. He wants Ukraine to sue for peace. He
wants to end this militarily and by doing this get
everything he wants at a final peace settlement. After Ukraine
waves the white flag. And the problem that Putin has,

(20:12):
and I'm just stating a fact, this is just the
reality we all have to face, is that they've lost
over half a million Russian soldiers dead combined over a
million dead and wounded. This has done tremendous damage to
the Russian economy, to the Russian people. This has been

(20:32):
an exhausting three year war. So with this horrific investment
that he has made in this war. Putin now clearly
feels he needs to win it. He can't stop, he
won't stop, he doesn't want to stop, because ultimately he

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now understands that he needs to win this war to
stay in power. He needs to stay in power in
order to stay alive, because anything short of total victory
at this point will be seen by most Russians as
a massive failure and a betrayal of the dead and

(21:14):
of all of the sacrifices that have been made. So
now that's fine, that doesn't mean you, you know, you
just roll over for somebody. But you have to ask
yourself if he's willing to go all the way, and
Putin is clearly willing to go all the way, are

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we willing to go all the way? So what if
this thing doesn't stop? What if Putin keeps going in September,
in October, in November? Are we going to continue to
send arms package after arms package after arms package? And
if we continue to send defensive weapons as we saw

(21:58):
a couple months ago where you Ukraine fired them deep
into Russian territory and that triggered a massive, overwhelming Russian response,
are we going to keep escalating, tit for tat, tit
for tat. What happens if Putin's back is against the wall.
Do you think he and his regime will accept defeat?

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Do you think the Russian people will accept defeat? Remember,
Ukraine is on their doorstep. Ukraine was part of the
Russian Empire for over a thousand years. Ukrainians and Russians
share a common culture, a common religion, a common language,

(22:45):
a common heritage. They are in many ways Orthodox Slavic
Christian brothers. I'm not saying Ukrainians are Russians. What I'm
saying is they are very similar and they have been
intertwined for a long part of their mutual histories. So

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we are getting involved in something that is a fundamental
core interest of Russia, and it's very identity and it's
very security. They are willing to go all the way,
including potentially the use of nuclear weapons. Now are we
willing to risk World War III? I keep asking this,

(23:31):
and I see these idiots on Fox News. You know
right away, Ah, we're gonna show Putin whose boss really? Okay?
And what if Putin starts to show us whose boss
would say? A limited tactical nuclear strike, and then what
we respond with a tactical nuclear strike. No one is

(23:53):
thinking of the endgame. It's easy to start a war,
it's very hard to get out of a war, as
both Putin and Zelensky are learning, and as the Russian
and Ukrainians are learning. So we have to ask ourselves,
when push comes to shove, is this our business? Is

(24:15):
this worth us getting involved in a direct war against Russia,
which has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world. To me,
the answer is a clear no. It's the answer to
me as an obvious no. Which flag flies over eastern

(24:36):
Ukraine the DNBAS, whether it is the Ukrainian blue and
yellow Trident or the Russian red, white and blue Eagle,
is of no national strategic security interest of the United States.
And yet here we are potentially risking a world war

(24:58):
if this continues to escalate over a part of the
world thousands of miles away. That most Americans, including all
these warmongers on Fox and in Congress led by Lindsey
Graham and Dick Blumenthal, that fraud who couldn't find Ukraine

(25:19):
on a map or these territories if you held a
gun to their head six one, seven, two, six six
sixty eight sixty eight. If you want to be part
of the show. Okay, Trump now essentially goes all in
on the Ukraine war. It is now effectively his war.
My question now to you. Trump says, we're selling Ukraine

(25:41):
through NATO, obviously a massive weapons package, defensive weapons, offensive weapons,
patriot missiles, everything, they're gonna get everything. Do you agree
or disagree? Trump says he wants to tariff one hundred
percent and even sanction most of the countries that continue

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to buy Russian oil or gas in fifty days unless
Putin agrees to some kind of a ceasefire that includes China, obviously, India, Brazil,
many countries around the world. Do you agree with that
strategy as well, in other words, economic pressure and arming

(26:27):
Ukraine to the teeth or do you believe like me
that we are getting directly involved in a vicious war
that is ultimately none of our business six one seven
two six six sixty eight sixty eight. Should we arm Ukraine?

(26:48):
George in New Hampshire, Thanks for holding George, and welcome.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
Hey, Jeff um So.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
I mean, couldn't Trump just I'm.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
Again setting weapons over to Ukraine? I would think if
you did. I would ask for an election with you know,
for for Lensky's position, I mean, because I just I
think the only way this whole issue is resolved Lensky's gone.

(27:22):
I don't know enough about Ukrainian politics to understand who
would fill that gap, but I would think he needs
to change, and the Putins putin static He's going to
be there till the end. I mean Washington's view of
leading out the Russian economy. I mean, I think long
term it certainly would work, but is it worth the risk.

(27:45):
I'm in the camp with you. I see that as foolish.
I see that the sooner that this war with Ukraine
and Russia is over, the sooner we can really address Russia,
I mean China. So that's my pos issue on the
whole issue.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Oh, I agree. Look, no, George, they don't. They're not
ever going to ask Zelensky for elections because I'll tell
you right now, the opinion polls in Ukraine are they're unanimous.
He's barely at thirty percent. I'm talking about Zelenski. He
would get destroyed in any election. He would lose, And
I'll tell you who would beat him, General z Illuzhni,

(28:22):
who was again if you remember, I don't want to
go into ancient history now, but if you remember last year,
and this is where everything the wheels came off for Ukraine.
Last year, Zelensky overrode his top general z Iluzhni, and
ordered a massive counter offensive to take back territory in
the east. The Russians fortified their positions. It was like

(28:45):
a porcupine, a defensive porcupine, and so Zelensky threw his
best soldiers and the cream of his military into a
frontal assault and they were smashed by the Russians. Ever since,
and they have been reeling. It's been about a year now.
They're on the ropes. They've never regained the initiative, they've

(29:07):
never had the momentum. And Zeluzhni came out and said,
I told him, you can't beat the Russians this way.
If we're gonna do it, we have to nibble on
the edges and nibble and nibble and nibble and shave
them here and shave them there. But he said no.
He was overruled by Zelenski, who, by the way, was

(29:27):
promised by Joe Biden and promised by Macron and the
British that they would give Zelenski. Listen to this unlimited
support for as long as Zelensky needs to win the war.
So what the globalists were telling him is that you

(29:49):
want four hundred billion, five hundred billion, a trillion, whatever
you need, for as long as you need it. Just
beat Russia, regain all of the territory in the East,
weak in Russia, defeat Russia. And Zuluzhni kept saying, this

(30:10):
is a fantasy that we're not gonna beat the Russians
in any kind of affrontal assault. Russia is too big,
too strong, they have too many people, they're on a
wartime economy, they have nuclear weapons. If we're gonna beat them,
we have to beat him incrementally, slowly, piece by piece. Well,
Zuluzhni got kicked to Britain. He basically he's very popular

(30:35):
in Ukraine. The troops love him because he's not a crook,
and they send Zeluzhni to exile as an ambassador in London.
But if there is an election, Zoluzhni would be the
opposition leader, and I'm telling you it would be seventy thirty.
It wouldn't even be close. So Zelenski lacks a democratic mandate.

(30:56):
His term has expired. He's essentially now a dictator. Everybody
seems to forget that. So and again, what's the strategy
for victory? There is no strategy for victory. It's a
strategy for more bloodshed, more slaughter, more dying, which means
then Putin is going to insist even more on a

(31:17):
military victory. So I look at this as we're spending
or expending our weapons and even more of our political capital.
We're making even more of an enemy out of Russia,
and we're not going to change anything on the ground
when it comes to Ukraine. And look, George, you know,

(31:39):
let's cut to the chase. This war never needed to happen.
It was very, very obvious the United States and NATO
could have negotiated with Russia to avert the war. This
war never needed to happen, But Biden wanted his war,
the globalists wanted their war. Ukraine could have negotiated with

(32:03):
Russia in the first couple weeks of the war a
way to end this and it would have been much
better for Ukraine. Then they would add much more territory.
But no, he was told. Zelenski was told by Boris
Johnson at the time by Biden, by Macron, hey, just
give us, give you a blank check. We'll give you

(32:25):
all the money you want, so you guys can steal it,
all the weapons you want, for as long as you want.
And so the Ukrainians said, no, we're not going to negotiate.
Well here we are now, three and a half years,
almost four years later, and the cream of Ukraine's rue,
the kream of Ukraine's youth, has been destroyed. Over ten

(32:47):
million Ukrainians are refugees in exile. Much of the countries now,
infrastructure has been absolutely destroyed, it has been decimated. It
will take them, if they're lucky, a generation to recover now,
instead of you know, meddling and meddling and meddling and
trying to force this deal between Putin and Zelensky. By

(33:11):
the way, Zelenski wants to keep fighting, So it's not
just Putin. If I'm Trump, I don't understand his position. Honestly,
I would just wash my hands and say, look, it's
Biden's war. I did everything I could. All of you
saw me. I called Putin, I called Zelenski. We got
peace conference after peace conference. Now, if two parties want

(33:33):
to continue to fight, and slaughter each other. There's nothing
I can do, so let them fight it out and
when they're done, give me a call. Instead, he's trying
to force some kind of a ceasefire by trying to
balance Ukraine off against Russia. And in the end, I

(33:54):
believe it's going to fail, and more than that, it's
going to lead to more Ukrainian dead, more Russians dead,
and fundamentally it won't change anything on the ground. Putin
has won this war, and after three more months of this,
he will still have won the war. George, final word

(34:15):
to you.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
I mean, I I the way, I'm sort of an
I mean, you tell me, but I mean Nixon's approach
was an operation rolling thunder bombing North Vietnam. That didn't
change the thing in terms of the Paris Peace Agreement.
I mean, that's where he's at. So he's he's taking
the Nixon approach. And I know he's a Nixon fan,
But the smart thing would have been for Nixon just

(34:38):
to pull out an M as soon as he took power.
It didn't change it changed a thing. I mean that's
my opinion.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
You know, well, George, I agree with you. Please don't
get me wrong. I agree with you, but in defense
of Nixon, and I agree with you. You know, Nixon
could say, yeah, but this is our war. In other words,
you know, Americans are dying, America is at war. We're
getting involved in another country's war. See that's in other words,

(35:07):
so we're you know, we're getting involved in Ukraine's war,
and now we're trying to again keep this war going.
So and by keeping this war, like, Zelensky is essentially
an addict, and we're just feeling we're just feeding his
narcisstic addiction. You're never going to take back the Eastern
don Bass. He's not. He's never going to get it

(35:29):
back CRIMEA, He's never going to get it back. So
more Ukrainians are going to die for this fantasy that
Zelensky has because he wants to go down in history
as a Ukrainian Churchill. And so you know, it's their war.
If Zelensky wants to keep fighting and Ukrainians dying, then

(35:51):
it's going to be on his hands. But if I'm Trump,
it's not our war, walk away from it. You're right
about Nixon, But what I'm saying is he's doing a Nixon,
but with another country's war. And That's why I think
in the end it's not gonna work. It can't work. George,
thank you very much for that call. I really appreciate it. Again. Look,

(36:12):
you may disagree. I'm just giving you my honest opinion.
I said the same thing under Biden. To me, Zelensky
hasn't changed. His corrupt regime hasn't changed. Putin hasn't changed.
The fundamental dynamics and this war haven't changed. So all
they've done now is they're keeping Ukraine afloat for another

(36:34):
two three four months. That's all they're doing. And you know,
all Zolensky has to do is say he wants to
go to a piece table, no NATO membership, a neutral
Ukraine and accept the facts that the that the Dawn
Bass is gone. Putin will sign today on the dotted line.

(36:58):
Zelensky doesn't want to accept Ukrainian neutrality. He doesn't want
to accept the fact that Ukraine will not be allowed
into NATO, and he thinks he can claw back every
inch of Ukrainian territory that the Russians have seized. Good luck,
okay if you believe that, and you claim your people
support you, which they don't, because the Ukrainians are exhausted.

(37:20):
Most Ukrainians now are done. They're done. That's why they
can't even recruit people anymore. That's why now their army
is literally starting to lack manpower because enough you there's
not enough young Ukrainians anymore who want to sign up
and fight this war, and they're resisting conscription. That's why

(37:42):
you're seeing these horrific pictures of young Ukrainians literally being
kidnapped on the streets and then being conscripted to the
front lines. Now, but that's Celensky's issue, that's his problem.
But what's happening now is it's now becoming our problem,
and it's going to become Trump's war, and then if

(38:04):
Ukraine falls, it will be blamed on Trump. Up to now,
if Ukraine falls, it's Biden's war. But now if Ukraine
falls increasingly, especially now with this weapons deal and how
Trump is now really going after Putin and imposing sanctions
and tariffs, it will be seen now as his failure.

(38:25):
That's what I mean when I say he's taking ownership
of the war. Sometimes it's very hard, but sometimes you
have to learn to cut your losses. Ukraine is a
lost cause, it's time to wash our hands. Agree, disagree,
John indunstable. Thanks for holding John, and welcome.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Thanks for taking my call, my pleasure John, Jeff. If
President Trump is listening, hed better reconsider what he's doing
to the America people. This is a huge mistake. Like
you said, Jeff, this war was started by Biden, NATO
and the globalists. Now the USA is going to be

(39:12):
supplying weapons. A blind man can see Jeff that you
can say NATO's paying for the weapon, but the Russians
know USA sent them. And there's another thing, Jeff, Who's
to say that China is not behind this to deplete

(39:34):
our sophisticated weapons so they can move move in. Their
economy is not doing too good over there, and and
Jijenping is getting very desperate. Jeff, you know who's gonna
who's who who over in Ukraine? You just get done

(39:56):
saying to George that they get the Middle Terry is
depleted in Ukraine. Who's going to be firing all our
sophisticated weapons. Are they going to do a twelve hour
quick course to teach them how to fire our sophisticated weapons.
He's bringing the United States of America into this war, Jeff,

(40:19):
and that's not what we voted for. We didn't vote
to go over there. He should be what he should
be doing is he should be getting the corruption that's
over in Ukraine with god our senators and congressmen who
are who are milking our money that we that we

(40:40):
that we that we send over there and lining their pockets.
And I'm going to tell you something, Jeff. I'm no
friend of of fan of Putin, but he was a
general in the KGB and that man will not surrender.
I guarantee you, Jeff, he is not going to surrender.
And if it comes down then he has to use nukes.

(41:03):
He will use his nukes to prove a point. He's
not going to surrender. Jeff. The man is a stole
coal killer And I got my own theories on the war, Jeff.
But I understand what Putin did. I'm against Putin, but

(41:24):
I understand what the man did to protect his country
and his people. And this is not good, Jeff. This
is a very serious problem.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Well, look, John, the fatal mistake, the original sin, and
this doesn't justify Putin invading Ukraine, Okay, but we have
to face reality, the original sin, and there's no one
doing this now is when Joe Biden and that's why
ultimately it's his war, and that's why to me he

(41:55):
bears so much of the blame for what happened. Is
when Joe Biden went to Kiev and because he was
up to his eyeballs in corruption in Ukraine through his
son and his family, where they were milking that country
for tens and tens of millions of dollars, and the
Ukrainians were blackmailing Biden. So Biden was getting rich off

(42:16):
Ukraine and the Ukrainians were blackmailing them, where he went
there and told them, we want you in NATO and
the Ukrainians were like, are you sure. He says, don't
you worry, will back you. We want Ukraine in NATO.
And the Russian said again and again and again, this

(42:38):
is our red line. You can't cross it. We cannot
have NATO nuclear weapons in Kiev literally within five minutes
striking distance of Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Ukraine has always
been the soft underbelly for invasion after invasion into Russia.

(42:59):
It is this is hardwired into their psyche and DNA,
whether it's Napoleon, whether it's Hitler. I could go on
and on. So the fact of the matter is no
Russian leader. This is what the media keeps. They're deliberate.
Either they don't know this or they're lying to us.
No Russian leader. And every time I say this, I

(43:20):
have people in Russia who listen and they always email me,
my God, you know, thank you, like you're the only
one that gets it. It doesn't matter who is in power.
You could put the democratic opposition in power, you could
put the biggest liberal in Russia in power. No Russian
leader would ever accept Ukraine in NATO. Now that doesn't

(43:45):
mean they invade. There are other ways to deal with it.
But my point is it's a non negotiable. You're pushing
the Russians, you know, You're putting them between a rock
and a hard place. You're pushing them up against the wall.
And if you keep poking the bear and poking the
bear and poking the bear, the bear is gonna bite you.

(44:06):
And that's what happened with Putin. Now, what happened was
within two weeks of the invasion. I don't want to
go over this again, but this is very important. The
Russians made an offer to the Ukrainians and they said look,
just say you're not willing to go to NATO. Just
say you'll be militarily neutral, and we will literally pull

(44:30):
all of our forces back to the pre invasion line.
That's it, Just no NATO, and Zolensky was willing to sign.
And that's when Boris Johnson and Joe Biden and Macron
and all the globalists went and flew to Kiev and

(44:51):
told Zelenski absolutely not, you're not signing any peace negotiation
with Putin. You're going to beat him on the battlefield.
And that's that's when they dangled hundreds of billions of
dollars and Zelenski's eyes popped through with his eyes popped
out of his sockets because what he saw was a

(45:12):
potential for corruption and graft that is just unimaginable. And
he said, my god, I'm going to milk them for everything.
I'm going to be not just an oligarch, but I'm
going to be a super oligarch. And that's been the
last three and a half years. Now, after all the
dead and all the maimed and all the wounded, and

(45:34):
all the bloodshed and the swater, well, now forget it. Now,
you got to show real concrete results to justify this war.
So that's why I'm looking at this and I'm like,
you think Putin is just going to give up now
because you send ten to fifteen billion dollars worth of weapons,

(45:55):
and you threaten tariffs and sanctions. If he doesn't deliver victory,
they will hang him on the streets of Moscow. They
will hang him from the Kremlin. And he knows that now.
A desperate Putin, as you're saying, John, is a dangerous
Putin because you back him up into a corner, he

(46:18):
may have no choice but to go nuclear and then
what Now. It's easy for Fox News or the Wall
Street Journal or the New York Times or CNN to
say he's bluffing, But when is Putin ever bluffed? I
ask everybody, whatever you think about this KGB thug, the

(46:40):
one thing about him is he doesn't bluff. When the
guy says he's gonna do something, he does it. So
why risk a nuclear war over what? You always have
to ask yourself, if it goes all the way, is
it worth it?
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