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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, Cooner Country. Okay, we talked about this story
late last week. It has gotten even much bigger. It
is now a national story. What is happening in Denham
here in Massachusetts at the Saint Susannah parish and really
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with that blasphemous Nativity scene and so now here is
the absolute latest and it truly is shocking. I mean,
there's a certain point. I don't know what it takes
for this rogue far left priest to be removed from office, seriously,
to be defraged and be taken out of that parish,
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because seriously, he is now in serious violation of decency,
of the will of many parishioners of Catholics, not just
here in Massachusetts, but around the country now of the
archdiocese itself. So according to the parish priest of Saint Susannah,
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and he's the one that started all this, Father Stephen Jessoma,
he is refusing even now to take down that infamous
Nativity scene sign which says Ice was here in place
of baby Jesus, Mary and Joseph. And I don't know
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if you've seen the picture of it or not, but
you have this Nativity scene in front of the church
and it's, you know, in a manger, and you know,
you've got the animals, you've got the camel, you've got
the wise men. But where the baby Jesus and Mary
and Joseph are supposed to be, there's no figurines, there's nothing.
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There's just this big giant sign, you know, pinned right
to the center of the manger that says Ice was here,
and then underneath it it says the Holy Family can
find sanctuary inside the church. And if anyone sees Ice,
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they can call this Anti Ice Immigration and Anti Ice
Enforcement Group LUCEE and they even give you a number.
So basically, if you see Ice, call this number to
warn illegals that ICE is in the area. So aiding
and a bedding illegal aliens, aiding and a bedding lawbreakers
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and criminals. That's now what this church's message clearly is
and it has sparked an absolute firestorm. A firestorm. Now,
as you know, my position on this has been crystal
clear from the beginning, what this priest is doing. He
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is politicizing Christmas. This is sacrilegious, this is blasphemous. He
is now trying to claim that somehow Jesus and Mary
and Joseph would be against Donald Trump and would be
against the immigrant, the illegal immigration crackdown that Trump is
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now implementing. And by the way, seventy seven voters voted
for and he has a full Democratic mandate, So the
implication in fact not even an implication. He says it
in an interview. He's, by the way, this guy's a
ham this priest boy, he loves his face in front
of a camera. And he won't come on this show.
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He doesn't have the guts to come on this show.
But to the local left wing liberal media, oh, you
can't shut this guy up. So there he is saying,
Jesus wouldn't approve of Donald Trump. Jesus wouldn't approve of ice,
just as outrageous. We have to speak out. The Gospels
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command it. And I'm watching this guy, and I'm saying,
are you that ignorant? Jesus was never an illegal alien,
Jesus was never a refugee. Everything. What you're saying is
a lie. What you are is you are using your pulpit.
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And it's not the first time. By the way, he
has a history of doing this. For example, apparently in
twenty eighteen at the very saying Nativity scene. He put
Jesus in a cage, in a cage to protest. If
you remember the left's accusations that Trump was separating children
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from their parents at the border, which, by the way,
that family separation policy was implemented under the Dear Leader.
That was Obama's policy. But you see, Father Josoma that
when it was under Obama, never complained. But under Trump,
suddenly you're violating Jesus. He's done it for climate change,
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where I'm not kidding. He's had the uh, the camel
practically drowning. He's had the wise men, you know, wading
through waters up to their up to their waist, baby
Jesus floating on water because you know, the ice caps
are going to melt, and the planet. We're destroying the
planet through climate change. And so he's done for gun control.
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He's done this again and again and again. He is
using his pulpit to advance his radical left wing agenda.
Now my message to Father Josoma, Hey, buddy, you want
to be a Democratic Party activist, no problem, take off
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your caller and go run for mayor of Dedham, Run
for Congress, I don't know, run for city council. Because
on your positions. You are no different than Mara Heally.
You are no different than Elizabeth Warren. You are no
different than Kamala Harris or Joe Biden. So you're not
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a priest, Let's be honest. You're a Democrat activist masquerading
as a priest. And let me just say something else.
And I'm sorry, as a Catholic, I need to say this.
Can somebody tell this guy if he's gonna go in
front of the media and the cameras like he loves
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to do, could he at least keep his caller on
out of basic self respect for himself and for the church.
I see this guy interview after interview, He's got a
shirt open collar and a sweater and a jacket, and
I'm like, where's your priestly callar? I mean, you're a
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father for God's sake, You're a priest for God's sake?
Like what you don't what does this guy not wear
a collar even in the church. I mean, I'm asking
he's an embarrassment. He is a rogue priest who is
a far left Marxist, there is no question about it.
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And he's using now something that is meant to be
very sacrilegious, which is to try to make a political
point about Ice, which has the right to detain and
deport criminal illegal aliens full stop. The last time I checked,
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Jesus did not glorify murderers and rapists and sex predators
and thieves and burglars and lawbreakers. Render unto Caesar. What
is Caesar's render under God? What is God's Listen to
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this clown? Roll cut and by the way, I could
give you cut after cut. This guy he'll take He
won't come on this show. But if you're a friendly
media outlet and the local media is with him all
the way. Now this story. Fox uses covering it, CNN
is covering it, BS now is covering it. The New
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York Post, the New York Times, everybody now is covering this. Okay,
But if you're a friendly local media outlet, this guy
will give you interview after interview. He won't come on
this show because he's a coward. But and no caller,
no priestly caller. And this guy will yack and Jack
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and Jack and Jack. This is a father, Steve Joshoma.
Roll cut twelve, Mike, this is as sense. I would
hope that all churches would take.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I mean, we should be a welcoming community.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Right, So he wants all churches, all Catholic churches, all
Christian churches. Doesn't matter the denomination Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, you know,
the Orthodox, Christian, it doesn't matter. He wants everybody because
we have to be a welcoming community. Sure, let the
illegals in. Sure. The Archdiocese of Boston oy Bishop Richard
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Henning has officially released a statement and they are now
telling this renegade rogue priest to take the Nativity scene
down and as they put it, if you want, I
can quote straight from the statement, but I'll just paraphrase.
And by the way, the Archdiocese on this one thousand
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percent correct that what the uh, what the what, what
the what Father Josoma is doing is he is the
This is a politically divisive message. It is a violation
of the Church's norms, of the very canon of the Church.
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You are not supposed to take sacred objects like the
Nativity scene and use them for political purposes. You go
to a church to pray and to worship. You don't
go to church to hold a political rally or try
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to make some political statement. Six twenty now on the
Gray w r KO Jeff Coneer Boston's bulldozer. Uh, this
issue now is becoming like rod for many on the
left and the right. It's become a national story. Forget
just a big local story. And the parish priest, Father
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Stephen Josoma j O s O m A. He is
the priest of Saint Susanna's parish in Dedham, is now
utterly defiant. He will refuse, he refuses to take down
the Nativity scene in which this is sacrilegious. There's no
question it's blasphemous. There's no question he is clearly politicizing Christmas.
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No question in which the Nativity scene you have obviously
the wise men, you have the you know, the the camel,
the animals. But instead of baby Jesus and Mary and
Joseph in the manger, they're gone. Their figurines are not there. Instead,
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they've been replaced with the giant sign that says I
was here, meaning that if we went back two thousand years,
Ice would have detained and deported Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
The Holy Family. The Archdiocese, I want to read to
you exactly what they said, has now ordered this renegade
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rogue priest to take down the sign, in fact stating
very clearly that he never ever got permission to do this.
He never requested permission, and now they're telling him openly
take it down that the display goes against church norms
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around sacred objects. Quote this is straight from the archdiocese.
The people of God have the right to expect that
when they come to church. The I'm sorry to have
to say like this, but like the Yeah state, in
the obvious, they will encounter genuine opportunities for prayer and
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Catholic worship, not divisive political messaging. The display should be
removed and the manger restored to its proper sacred purpose.
Completely right, completely right. Look, when I go to church
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on Sunday, I don't want to attend the DNC meeting.
I don't want to attend the equivalent of BS now
or a CNN segment on illegal immigration. This may come
as a shock to UH and I'm putting this in
air quotes Father Josoma. But you know, I don't worship
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Karl Marx on the cross. I don't worship Barack Obama
on the cross US. I don't worship Joey Joe Biden
on the Cross. Jesus was not a globalist. Jesus was
not a Marxist. Jesus was not a socialist. Jesus was
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not a left wing social justice warrior. I'm sorry, that's blasphemous.
You're completely perverting the story of Jesus and the meaning
of Jesus. Like, how is this guy still a priest?
I celebrate Jesus on the Cross. I'm there to pray.
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I'm there to worship. Frankly, I'm there to think about
my own sins and my own soul and that of
my wife and my children. That's what I'm there for.
I'm not there to get a political lecture on how
we need more illegals pouring into our country and how
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we have to violate the law, and how we should
defy federal immigration law. Like I'm sorry, I don't want
to be a criminal, and I don't want to support criminals,
And I mean, how dare you do that? So he's
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abusing his position as a priest. And by the way,
as I said in my opening monologue, this is not
the first time, whether it's gun control, whether it's climate change,
whether and by the way, climate change now is I
mean the whole narrative is being destroyed. We have been
lied to on this. There's new scientific evidence. It's all
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been a pack of lies. Okay, but let that go.
Let it go. The last couple of years ago is
at five, six, whatever seven years ago, he put Jesus
in a cage in a Nativity scene. This guy's not
a priest. You can see it. It's obvious. Now, buddy,
you want to be a Democrat politician, run for office.
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And by the way, as I said before, I'm sorry,
this really sticks in my cross. If you're gonna still
remain a priest, put the caller on. Huh. It won't
kill you to put the caller on. This is from
acting ICE director Todd Lyons, and he has condemned this
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nativity scene as well. This blossomous Nativity scene quote on
behalf of ICE and our many law enforcement professionals in Massachusetts,
many of whom are practicing Catholics and first generation Americans.
I applaud the Catholic Church and the Archdiocese of Boston
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for taking a stand against such a dangerous and extremist narrative.
And you better believe it's dangerous and extremist. Attacks on
ICE agents are up nearly one thousand, two hundred percent.
ICE agents are being shot, they're being attacked, they're being threatened,
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they're being menaced, and it's precisely because of lies like this. Seriously,
does the left have to politicize and ruin Christmas? Now? Like? Seriously?
Is this what it's come down to? And I think
that's why you're seeing such a pushback, a why this
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story is popping like crazy, and why it's become such
a controversial issue that the whole country now is talking
about it. By the way, other churches are doing this
in other states. I mean, so this has become a
lightning rod. But this is nothing new. This is happening,
by the way, not just in some Catholic church, in
Protestant churches, even some Orthodox Christian churches. So I think
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a lot of people are saying, no, we're not going
to give you the right to take away our Christmas
and politicize it for your left wing globalist ends. Enough
is enough. You've politicized already too much of our lives
and too much of our culture. Six point thirty two
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on the Great WRKO Jeff Kooner, Boston's Bulldozer. Okay, just to.
People are texting me, emailing me, Jeff. Where can I
find some of the best coverage on this where the
reporting is really fair, accurate and balanced and really gives
you the full true story. Go to Boston Broadside. They've
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had a couple stories up the last twenty four forty
eight hours. Boston Broadside dot com phenomenal coverage. Phenomenal coverage.
And the Archdiocese is now saying they've ordered him to
take it down. They've told him take it down. He
is refusing to take it down. Now. You know, if
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you're now he's defying Bishop Richard Henning. He's literally now
defying the archdiocese itself. I think they got to give
him an ultimatum. I mean, far be it from me
to tell the archdiocese how to do his job. But
you clearly now have a dissident priest, a rogue priest,
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a renegade priest, clearly a far left priest who thinks
now that he's above the You know, he's above the Bible,
he's above the church, he's above canonical law, he's above
the theology of the Church. I mean, this is I'm sorry,
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this is blastom, this is heresy, this is it is sacrilegious,
it is blasphemous. And now I'm telling you let me
he's flirting with heresy. Let's just put it this way.
And so my position, I think my position is clear.
The archdiocese needs to either meet with them or pick
up the phone and say, listen, I'm giving you one hour.
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Either this Nativity scene comes down, or I'm telling you
you're gonna be defrocked. You're gonna be removed from your
position as the priest of this parish. And I'm telling
you you're gonna lose your caller, you will no longer
be a priest, and maybe follow your true calling which
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has worked for some far left wing George Soros funded NGO.
Or run for the you know, the Democratic Party, run
for some local office. Because you're clearly this you're you're
not a man of the cloth. This is open rebellion,
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that's what this is, open defiance. And I think the
parishioners of Saint Susannah deserve better. I think the Catholic
Church deserves better. I think Christians everywhere deserve better. Enough
is enough. Now I want to go to the phone
lines six one, seven two, six six sixty eight sixty eight,
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Just very quickly. This is C. J. Doyle. He is
the executive director of the Catholic Action League of Massachusetts.
He was on Boston twenty five regarding this whole Nativity
scene scandal uh and talking about the Father Stephen Jessoma.
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Listen to what he had to say. Roll cut twelve, B.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Mike, he's politicizing Christmas. He's exploiting the Holy Family. He's
using his position as a past sort of a Catholic
parish to promote his left wing politically theology.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yes I mean by yes and again it's not a
one off, you know, he say, I don't know what
got into the guy this time whatever. He's been doing
this now consistently for at least ten years, on issue
after issue after issue. He's a left wing Marxist political
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activist masquerading as a priest. Listen now to again CJ. Doyle.
I thought he hit the nail right on the head,
Executive director, Catholic Action League of Massachusetts, pretty much saying
what I'm saying, Get a new job, seriously, find find something.
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This is not for you. Being a priest is clearly
not for you. So find some new employment. Roll cut
twelve C.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Mike, is this not obstruction or justice they're really pushing here.
If he doesn't really believe in the Catholic religion or
thinks the Catholic Church is simply a vehicle for political activism,
perhaps he should find new employment.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yes, yeah, And I think that's honestly, I hope that's
what Bishop Henning tells him. You know, I think their
meeting today. I hope they're meeting today. They were supposed
to meet over the weekend. They did not meet over
the weekend. They were supposed to meet yesterday. They did
not meet yesterday. I think, to be honest, the Archdiocese
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is shocked. The Archdiocese is like, look, we gave you
a direct order. We put it out in an official
press release and a statement. Take the blasphemousativity scene down.
It's sacrilegious. Take it down and restore baby Jesus and
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Mary and Joseph to the manger. Like, we can't be
clearer on this. This is canonical norms, canonical law. You're
in violation. Like this is fundamental church teaching. Did this
guy even go to a seminary? Like I gotta ask no, seriously,
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six one seven two, six, six sixty eight sixty eight. Okay,
let me ask all of you, what do you think
now needs to be done with this continued open defiance.
That's number one. Number two, you have many people in Debtham,
but I'm not kidding. Oh, there's a lot of moonbats
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in Debtam. Holy mackerel, are there a lot of moonbats
in Debtam. They are rallying to Father Josoma and they're
saying they love it. This is exactly the message that
the church should be promoting. They want more churches to
be promoting this message. As one of them said in
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one of these local media interviews, the church should be
a mirror on society. And our country is involved in
a big debate on whether we should be deporting illegal
aliens and whether we should be securing the border, and
so the church should be reflective of this debate, and
the church should be taking the side of illegals. That
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Jesus was an illegal. Jesus would side with the illegals,
as they all keep saying, what would Jesus do? And
according to them, Jesus would side with the illegal aliens
and with sanctuary cities and with sanctuary states. In other words,
to put it in Massachusetts. In the Massachusetts context, Jesus
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would stand with Michelle wou according to them. Jesus would
stand with Mora Heally, Jesus would stand with the Chief
Elizabeth Warren according to them. And so they're congratulating this priest,
they are defending this priest, and they are rallying or
around this priest. So let me ask you, what do
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you make of this Nativity scene? And is this priest
right or wrong? Six one seven two six six sixty
eight sixty eight. Okay, let's go to Tom in Hudson.
You're going to kick us off. Tom, Thanks for holding
and welcome.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Thank you, Jeff, Jeff. This irritates me on three different points. First,
the sign did he put up saying this is the
ICE number that's aiding and a betting criminals and helping
people want other people about where the our government aidents are.
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They should put up a sign says ICE is welcome here,
this way here, because the church policy is everybody's welcome.
The sign that says excuse me, let's go back. One
about the politicizing of the church. They should teach the
Ten Commandments. Our aid going to these illegal immigrants is
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stealing from our children. In the Bible, it says God
says you should give to the poor. He didn't say
steal the money to give to the poor. He says
give from your own We're in debt up to thirty
eight trillion dollars federal. The state is three hundred and
twenty five and twenty eight thousand dollars in debt. I mean,
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it's just unbelievable the amount of money we're paying for
these people, this thing called Catholic charities. I believe in
supporting other poor people, but I can't do it with
our children's money. You have to do with my money.
And as far as the sign that says the police number,
I believe that the police in the town should take
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that sign down because oh I agree.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
No, Tom, Look, you know, to me, that's almost as
bad as the ice was here the other smaller sign underneath,
because there's a group lucee six one seven, two sixty
six sixty eight sixty eight is the number. Okay, to
everybody out there, if you could help the kooner Man
out a little bit, and I don't mean me personally,
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in terms of the good of the cause. Kooner Man
maybe about five minutes ago put out what do you
want to call it X, A tweet whatever on my
X account at the Kooner Report. Again, please go to
at the Kooner Report kuh N as a national er,
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where I am calling upon the archdiocese to order this ridiculous,
rogue far left priest to take down that Nativity scene
sign that's sacrilegious, blosshemous, frankly disgusting, insulting Nativity scene sign down.
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If you could like it, forward it, just send it around,
because the more this message gets out there, the more
pressure will build on the archdioces to finally do the
right thing. And frankly, I want to shame this priest.
He's never had backlash like this before. Ever. He gets
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away with it all the time because there's always been
no cultural opposition to the far left in this state
and frankly to much of the left across the country.
And we have to draw a line in the sand somewhere,
And to me, it's Christmas. I mean, seriously, if we're
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not going to defend the dignity and integrity and purity
of Christmas. And by the way, this is not a
religious issue. It really shouldn't be. If you're listening and saying,
you know, Jeff, I don't really a church goer, or
you know, I'm not really a believer. That's fine, God
bless you. It's a free country. Seriously, God bless you.
But come on, we all celebrate Christmas. We all get
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to December twenty five. Off, we all participate in the
spirit of Christmas, the season of Christmas. And I don't
just mean the trees and the country, the you know,
and the and you know, Santa and you know and
his elves and the reindeer and the gift giving. But
you know, look, a baby was born. Christians believe the
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Son of God, Peace and goodwill to everyone on earth.
It's beautiful. It's at the heart of America who we are.
It's at the heart of Western civilization who we are,
whether you're religious or not. Don't allow the left to
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politicize this. That's what they're trying to do. Now. Don't
let them ruin Christmas. Let them know that if they
do this, they're going to pay a tremendous price, and
maybe they'll stop, because you see, they're so drunk with
power and hubris that they think they can go around
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and destroy every institution and every tradition, and they had
there has to be a line where we say no
to me. This is clearly the line. You're not going
to ruin Christmas. You're not going to ruin Christianity. You're
not gonna ruin Baby Jesus. That's it. No, The answer
is no. Six one seven, two, six, six, sixty eight
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sixty eight is the number. Agree, disagree? All right, lines
are loaded. Dave, our Western PA constitutionalist correspondent out in
the Pittsburgh area. Thanks for holding Dave, and welcome.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Good morning, Jeff. How are you doing, buddy?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Very good? How are you, David?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Good Jeff. If somebody ever tells me there's global warming
and it's fourteen degrees again, I'm gonna whitewash them in
the snow. But hey, Jeff, real quick, before we get
to today's subject, I just want to comment on yesterday's
I sent you a link to the MPR, which is
the Minnesota public radio station connected to NPR. Okay, I
don't know if you've seen it or a messenger. I
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sent you a link to it. Nowhere on that page
was her story that showed the corruption through the snap
and the Somalis. It just said the usual bs well,
Trump is xenophobic and racist and all that, la da da,
And if they're not covering Jeff, you know that the
national media is not covering it. But anyways, getting to
this crazy pre Steff, I think this guy needs to
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be sent to like a science project and see he's
got a brain, because this guy needs a full blown lobotomy, buddy.
I mean, this guy so far to the left. He
makes Obama look like a Tea party member.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
You know, it's funny you should say that, but you know,
I mean it's funny. The way you deliver it is
very funny.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I don't even think Obama would do this. Oh really,
I think Obama not that he doesn't want to, right
not because it's all clear now. When he talked about
the fundamental transformation of America, he meant to Islamize America
and de christianize America and frankly the americanize America. I
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think there's no question now. But how do I say this?
To be this brazen, to be this insulting, to be
this in your face, this blasphemist about it, I think
Obama would say, no, hey, guys, whoa whoa, whoa whoa,
You're going too far, easy, easy and no. Look, they
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become brazen, Dave. That's what this is. Now. They think
they can do anything they want because they never meet
any opposition. And anyway, we're going to see what's going
to happen. Dave. I've got to ask you this, in
all seriousness, if and I know you're not a Catholic.
I know that, and I say this respectfully, but just
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for argument's sake, if you were a member of that
parish and that Nativity scene was displayed by you know,
the parish priest, what would you do? What do you
think the members of Saint Susannah should do? Would you
just leave? Would you say something to the priest? Would
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you complain? Would you withhold money when they passed the
collection plate? Maybe as one person suggested I think in
an email last week or a text, I can't remember,
but it was, you know what, instead of an envelope
with cash, you put an envelope with a note and
the note says, until this Nativity scene comes down, you're
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not getting a dime. Or would you even hold a
rally outside the church? Because he's starting to hold rallies
with his supporters outside the manger, So he's holding a
roundh he's in defense of himself in front of the church.
And again, by the way, no caller. Okay, but let
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that go, Dave. What would you do.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
You, Jeff? I would, first of all, I would have
removed the sign myself, and I would hold a counter
rally at the manger, and I would call Rome. Never
mind the nstiosis in Jeff, I'm a farmer Catholic. I'll
tell you a quick little story. I brought a King
James Bible into the into the church, and they had
treated me like I was in the Devil's Advocate. I
set the water on fire or something, or the water
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was steaming. But uh no, Je, it's just I mean
nothing against you've been a Catholic. I don't want to
be disrespectful to you. Just some of the doctor and
then the teachings doesn't del with the with the Bible, Jeff.
And and again I'm not knocking your faith. I'm just
being honest. And I ended up getting as communicated because
I've brought a King James Bible into the church. I
kind of left on my own. But just as a sidebout, Jeff,
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I respect that you're practicing Catholic and I love that
you respect your faith because we are a freedom of
freedom of faith country.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I mean, Jeff, I don't knock you faith. I love
you and I respect you for it.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Buddy, same here, Dave, all the way. To me, that's
the beauty of America. We were founded upon religious liberty.
To me, that's one of the greatest gifts given to
us by our founding fathers and the people who first
came here. And that's why it's been a beacon for
people of so many faiths to come here and to
be able to practice their faith openly, freely, voluntarily, without
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any persecution or harassment. And now the church is being persecuted.
Christianity is being persecuted by some people now even within
the church. That to me is what's turning my stomach. Dave,
thank you very much as always for that call. My
friend six one. He's completely right, six to one. This
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is Please, this is not a Catholic issue. There are
Baptists now that are doing this. You've got left wing
Evangelicals that are doing it. You've got Lutherans, left wing,
very left wing Lutherans who are doing it. You even
have now some orthodox Christian churches that are doing it.
So it's spreading and we've got to We've got a
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nip this in the bud. I mean this, So what
basically we're just gonna like just destroy Christmas? Is that
what it's gonna be now, So it's it's we're gonna
we're gonna turn Christmas into a political food fight. No,
I'm sorry, this is not acceptable. Six one seven and
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by the way, I can't have one hour a week
or I don't have politics shoved down my throat, you know,
one hour a week. And again, if you're a Christian, right,
this is what you believe that you're obligated by God
to give him one hour a week of your time
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to thank him, to worship him. I'm just you know,
to think about your soul, what you've done right, what
you've done wrong, to pray. I can't have one hour. No, no,
So six days and twenty three hours of politics, that's
not enough. It's got to be you know, it's got
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to be seven days a week, twenty four hours a day.
I'm sorry. No, the answer is no. Six one seven
two six six sixty eight sixty eight is the number
Annie on the South Shore. Thanks for holding Annie and welcome.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
Good morning Jeff, and good morning, good morning through the country.
You know, Jeff. Without the birth of Christ, there would
be no Christmas. That's for us one most The second
is I have made a phone call over there to
that parish. Like a lot of other parishes or rectories
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as well, you used to call them. Nobody answers the
phone anymore, so you have to leave a message. I
did do that. I did leave a message. Now my
background very quickly, Jeff, was. I grew up in a
very strict Catholic church. When I say strict, if I
came down and said to my father, do Dad, I
don't feel well, He'd say, that's okay, you get dressed,
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you go to church, and you come back and you
can continue being sick. So I go up in a
very strict Catholic household, parochial school. The whole bit after
I was going to be a nun. And as the
Lord chose a different path from me, and I'm walking
that path. I have taken a good look at what
is going on in the world. Christianity is a belief
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in the Lord, thy God. Christmas is celebrated around the world.
People right now that are in positions like the sporn
of the devil, and that is what I I will
call him. He is doing the work of evil, the
work of the devil, and those that choose to follow
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him will end up. What's the word you want to say?
I don't want to say in the bottels of whatever,
because you know they're the children listening to the radio station.
But I have had it. I have had it up
over my head with this politics, the government, people doing
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unbelievable things, crimes getting away with it. Nobody is being
held accountable for anything. This priest is not a priest,
that's first and foremost. If the Catholic Church wanted this
to stop, it would stop in an hour. They would
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remove him from that church in the town that I
live in the town at the door had a priest.
There was amusing. Some boys maybe moved that priest because
than you could blink an eye in the Vatican is
very much aware as to what is going on, Jeff.
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So if they really wanted it to stop, it would stop.
I am so set up with everything, but I have
to say this, Jeff. My religion is stronger than a statue.
My religion is stronger than a building they cannot take
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that from me. And all of us said about there
that are Catholic, are Christians or whatever it is. Remember,
we celebrate the birth of the Lord. So any Nativity
scene that you see are signs that you see, You're
going to look at it and you're going to realize
that people that are in positions are evil. And the
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Lord did say beware of people that try to do
good things because in the background, it's not just like
this place. This is not a place death.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Oh I agree. No, what he's doing is satanic, it
truly is. It's evil. What he's doing is evil. And Annie, look,
I really want to congratulate you on your convictions and
your courage in stating your convictions because many people think
like you, but they're afraid to express it.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
No.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Look, first of all, let me just be very clear.
In many parts of the world, and I'm not Please
don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating for vigilanteism or
violence of any kind. Please, I'm I believe in nonviolence
to my core. Okay, again, honestly, in the spirit of Jesus,
as a Catholic, I do not believe in violence. As
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a Christian, I abhor it. But I'm just telling you
in many places of the world, I don't care. Let
him try this in Poland. I'm just saying, let him
try this in Eastern Europe. Let him try this in
Latin America. Let him try this in Africa, where, by
the way, the Catholic Church is growing by leaps and bounds.
What I'm saying is, let him try this in more
and I'm putting this in quotes traditional parts of the world.
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That Nativity scene, that that thing would be down in
ten seconds, intense. They'd probably light it on fire. They'd probably,
I'm not telling you, they'd grabbed this that the sign
and just torture right there, torch it and tell the
priests I want the baby Jesus to marry in the
Joseph figurines. You put him in the manger. Now, like, well,
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what what are you drunk? That's what they would say,
What are you drunk? What are you stroned? What do
you want drugs?
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Did?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
There'd be no question. Okay, that's number one. It wouldn't
even get to the bishop level. Okay, I'm just telling
you the truth. That's number one. Number two, and I'm
not advocating that I want to be clear. But I'm
just saying, you know, look, the archdiocese is going to
take care of it. I think by the end of
today tomorrow the sign is coming down fingers crossed because
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they're getting so much pressure now from people like you,
from us, from Kooner country. But this is the larger point.
I would respect this Father Josoma more if he just
completely came out of the closet in every way. If
he came out of the closet and put a rainbow
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flag right there in the manger, or put the hammer
in sickle, the communist hammer and sickle, the communist red
star with the Soviet hammer and sickle and put it
right there in the manger, or as I said, the
rainbow flag and say this is what I worship, this
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is what I bow down to. I say, at least
you're an honest man. You're a blossomous man, You're a
sacrilegious man. To me, you're a profoundly evil man. But
at least you're an honest man. But don't hide your
far leftism, your Marxism, your globalism, your anti Americanism, your
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anti trump Ism. The guy's an anti Trump zealot. He's
crazy he's crazy. He won't stop going after Donald Trump,
both from the pulpit and in the literature that he
gives out at Saint Susannah's. He can't stop himself. So
you know what, don't hide it behind Jesus. Don't stand
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there and hide it behind your cloth, behind your your
your your priestly garb, and behind your your man, behind
the baby Jesus, Manger, don't do that because you're a coward. Now,
and the other final point I have to say this,
do you notice that these leftists they never do this
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to the Muslims. I know I've made this point many
times before, but think about how true that is. When
have they ever once once taken something that is sacred
to Islam, I don't care what it is, and then
try to distort it, twist it to make some kind
of a stupid left wing globalist Marxist point. I don't
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care gun control, climate change, open borders, opposition to ice,
defensive illegal aliens. Would do you think they would ever
go on and say Mohammed was an illegal Mohammed would
support climate change? Do you think they would ever speak
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on behalf of Mohammed? Have you noticed that the left
ever they never ever say, you know, Mohammed would be
against gun control. No, no, you know Mohammed would be
against comman made climate change. You know Mohammed. Mohammed would
be against illegal immigration or would be in favor forgive me,
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Mohammad would be in favor of illegal immigration. The Muslims
would say, don't you dare even utter his name. Don't
you even ever ever mention his name in the context
of some trendy left wing cause a fatwa on your head,
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you're dead. And they know that. And they don't do
it to Hindus, and they don't do it to Buddhists,
and I'm sorry they don't do it to there's a
lot of anti Semitism out there, yes, but they don't
do it to the Jewish faith. There's only one faith,
and that's the Christian faith that they repeatedly mock and
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revile and make fun of and ridicule. So the question
is where's our self respect? When are we gonna say
enough is enough? When are we gonna say no, I'm sorry,
you're not doing that now. We're not violent people, quite
the opposite, but we're gonna wring your phone off the hook.
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We're gonna email you. We're gonna put a pressure campaign
on the archdiocese, and you're gonna realize that you're gonna
pay a tremendous price in terms of your credibility. We're
gonna call you out and we're gonna do something we
haven't done in a long time. We're gonna shame you.
We're gonna shame you. There's gonna be a moral public
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price to pay. Now, leave our leave the Nativity scene alone,
leave Christmas alone enough. You're not gonna get it. You're
not gonna ruin it, you're not gonna politicize it.
Good morning, Cooner Country. Okay, we talked about this story
late last week. It has gotten even much bigger. It
is now a national story. What is happening in Denham
here in Massachusetts at the Saint Susannah parish and really
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with that blasphemous Nativity scene and so now here is
the absolute latest and it truly is shocking. I mean,
there's a certain point. I don't know what it takes
for this rogue far left priest to be removed from office, seriously,
to be defraged and be taken out of that parish,
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because seriously, he is now in serious violation of decency,
of the will of many parishioners of Catholics, not just
here in Massachusetts, but around the country now of the
archdiocese itself. So according to the parish priest of Saint Susannah,
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and he's the one that started all this, Father Stephen Jessoma,
he is refusing even now to take down that infamous
Nativity scene sign which says Ice was here in place
of baby Jesus, Mary and Joseph. And I don't know
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if you've seen the picture of it or not, but
you have this Nativity scene in front of the church
and it's, you know, in a manger, and you know,
you've got the animals, you've got the camel, you've got
the wise men. But where the baby Jesus and Mary
and Joseph are supposed to be, there's no figurines, there's nothing.
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There's just this big giant sign, you know, pinned right
to the center of the manger that says Ice was here,
and then underneath it it says the Holy Family can
find sanctuary inside the church. And if anyone sees Ice,
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they can call this Anti Ice Immigration and Anti Ice
Enforcement Group LUCEE and they even give you a number.
So basically, if you see Ice, call this number to
warn illegals that ICE is in the area. So aiding
and a bedding illegal aliens, aiding and a bedding lawbreakers
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and criminals. That's now what this church's message clearly is
and it has sparked an absolute firestorm. A firestorm. Now,
as you know, my position on this has been crystal
clear from the beginning, what this priest is doing. He
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is politicizing Christmas. This is sacrilegious, this is blasphemous. He
is now trying to claim that somehow Jesus and Mary
and Joseph would be against Donald Trump and would be
against the immigrant, the illegal immigration crackdown that Trump is
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now implementing. And by the way, seventy seven voters voted
for and he has a full Democratic mandate, So the
implication in fact not even an implication. He says it
in an interview. He's, by the way, this guy's a
ham this priest boy, he loves his face in front
of a camera. And he won't come on this show.
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He doesn't have the guts to come on this show.
But to the local left wing liberal media, oh, you
can't shut this guy up. So there he is saying,
Jesus wouldn't approve of Donald Trump. Jesus wouldn't approve of ice,
just as outrageous. We have to speak out. The Gospels
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command it. And I'm watching this guy, and I'm saying,
are you that ignorant? Jesus was never an illegal alien,
Jesus was never a refugee. Everything. What you're saying is
a lie. What you are is you are using your pulpit.
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And it's not the first time. By the way, he
has a history of doing this. For example, apparently in
twenty eighteen at the very saying Nativity scene. He put
Jesus in a cage, in a cage to protest. If
you remember the left's accusations that Trump was separating children
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from their parents at the border, which, by the way,
that family separation policy was implemented under the Dear Leader.
That was Obama's policy. But you see, Father Josoma that
when it was under Obama, never complained. But under Trump,
suddenly you're violating Jesus. He's done it for climate change,
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where I'm not kidding. He's had the uh, the camel
practically drowning. He's had the wise men, you know, wading
through waters up to their up to their waist, baby
Jesus floating on water because you know, the ice caps
are going to melt, and the planet. We're destroying the
planet through climate change. And so he's done for gun control.
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He's done this again and again and again. He is
using his pulpit to advance his radical left wing agenda.
Now my message to Father Josoma, Hey, buddy, you want
to be a Democratic Party activist, no problem, take off
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your caller and go run for mayor of Dedham, Run
for Congress, I don't know, run for city council. Because
on your positions. You are no different than Mara Heally.
You are no different than Elizabeth Warren. You are no
different than Kamala Harris or Joe Biden. So you're not
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a priest, Let's be honest. You're a Democrat activist masquerading
as a priest. And let me just say something else.
And I'm sorry, as a Catholic, I need to say this.
Can somebody tell this guy if he's gonna go in
front of the media and the cameras like he loves
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to do, could he at least keep his caller on
out of basic self respect for himself and for the church.
I see this guy interview after interview, He's got a
shirt open collar and a sweater and a jacket, and
I'm like, where's your priestly callar? I mean, you're a
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father for God's sake, You're a priest for God's sake?
Like what you don't what does this guy not wear
a collar even in the church. I mean, I'm asking
he's an embarrassment. He is a rogue priest who is
a far left Marxist, there is no question about it.
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And he's using now something that is meant to be
very sacrilegious, which is to try to make a political
point about Ice, which has the right to detain and
deport criminal illegal aliens full stop. The last time I checked,
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Jesus did not glorify murderers and rapists and sex predators
and thieves and burglars and lawbreakers. Render unto Caesar. What
is Caesar's render under God? What is God's Listen to
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this clown? Roll cut and by the way, I could
give you cut after cut. This guy he'll take He
won't come on this show. But if you're a friendly
media outlet and the local media is with him all
the way. Now this story. Fox uses covering it, CNN
is covering it, BS now is covering it. The New
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York Post, the New York Times, everybody now is covering this. Okay,
But if you're a friendly local media outlet, this guy
will give you interview after interview. He won't come on
this show because he's a coward. But and no caller,
no priestly caller. And this guy will yack and Jack
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and Jack and Jack. This is a father, Steve Joshoma.
Roll cut twelve, Mike, this is as sense. I would
hope that all churches would take.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I mean, we should be a welcoming community.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Right, So he wants all churches, all Catholic churches, all
Christian churches. Doesn't matter the denomination Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, you know,
the Orthodox, Christian, it doesn't matter. He wants everybody because
we have to be a welcoming community. Sure, let the
illegals in. Sure. The Archdiocese of Boston oy Bishop Richard
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Henning has officially released a statement and they are now
telling this renegade rogue priest to take the Nativity scene
down and as they put it, if you want, I
can quote straight from the statement, but I'll just paraphrase.
And by the way, the Archdiocese on this one thousand
(10:08):
percent correct that what the uh, what the what, what
the what Father Josoma is doing is he is the
This is a politically divisive message. It is a violation
of the Church's norms, of the very canon of the Church.
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You are not supposed to take sacred objects like the
Nativity scene and use them for political purposes. You go
to a church to pray and to worship. You don't
go to church to hold a political rally or try
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to make some political statement. Six twenty now on the
Gray w r KO Jeff Coneer Boston's bulldozer. Uh, this
issue now is becoming like rod for many on the
left and the right. It's become a national story. Forget
just a big local story. And the parish priest, Father
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Stephen Josoma j O s O m A. He is
the priest of Saint Susanna's parish in Dedham, is now
utterly defiant. He will refuse, he refuses to take down
the Nativity scene in which this is sacrilegious. There's no
question it's blasphemous. There's no question he is clearly politicizing Christmas.
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No question in which the Nativity scene you have obviously
the wise men, you have the you know, the the camel,
the animals. But instead of baby Jesus and Mary and
Joseph in the manger, they're gone. Their figurines are not there. Instead,
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they've been replaced with the giant sign that says I
was here, meaning that if we went back two thousand years,
Ice would have detained and deported Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
The Holy Family. The Archdiocese, I want to read to
you exactly what they said, has now ordered this renegade
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rogue priest to take down the sign, in fact stating
very clearly that he never ever got permission to do this.
He never requested permission, and now they're telling him openly
take it down that the display goes against church norms
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around sacred objects. Quote this is straight from the archdiocese.
The people of God have the right to expect that
when they come to church. The I'm sorry to have
to say like this, but like the Yeah state, in
the obvious, they will encounter genuine opportunities for prayer and
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Catholic worship, not divisive political messaging. The display should be
removed and the manger restored to its proper sacred purpose.
Completely right, completely right. Look, when I go to church
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on Sunday, I don't want to attend the DNC meeting.
I don't want to attend the equivalent of BS now
or a CNN segment on illegal immigration. This may come
as a shock to UH and I'm putting this in
air quotes Father Josoma. But you know, I don't worship
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Karl Marx on the cross. I don't worship Barack Obama
on the cross US. I don't worship Joey Joe Biden
on the Cross. Jesus was not a globalist. Jesus was
not a Marxist. Jesus was not a socialist. Jesus was
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not a left wing social justice warrior. I'm sorry, that's blasphemous.
You're completely perverting the story of Jesus and the meaning
of Jesus. Like, how is this guy still a priest?
I celebrate Jesus on the Cross. I'm there to pray.
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I'm there to worship. Frankly, I'm there to think about
my own sins and my own soul and that of
my wife and my children. That's what I'm there for.
I'm not there to get a political lecture on how
we need more illegals pouring into our country and how
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we have to violate the law, and how we should
defy federal immigration law. Like I'm sorry, I don't want
to be a criminal, and I don't want to support criminals,
And I mean, how dare you do that? So he's
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abusing his position as a priest. And by the way,
as I said in my opening monologue, this is not
the first time, whether it's gun control, whether it's climate change,
whether and by the way, climate change now is I
mean the whole narrative is being destroyed. We have been
lied to on this. There's new scientific evidence. It's all
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been a pack of lies. Okay, but let that go.
Let it go. The last couple of years ago is
at five, six, whatever seven years ago, he put Jesus
in a cage in a Nativity scene. This guy's not
a priest. You can see it. It's obvious. Now, buddy,
you want to be a Democrat politician, run for office.
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And by the way, as I said before, I'm sorry,
this really sticks in my cross. If you're gonna still
remain a priest, put the caller on. Huh. It won't
kill you to put the caller on. This is from
acting ICE director Todd Lyons, and he has condemned this
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nativity scene as well. This blossomous Nativity scene quote on
behalf of ICE and our many law enforcement professionals in Massachusetts,
many of whom are practicing Catholics and first generation Americans.
I applaud the Catholic Church and the Archdiocese of Boston
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for taking a stand against such a dangerous and extremist narrative.
And you better believe it's dangerous and extremist. Attacks on
ICE agents are up nearly one thousand, two hundred percent.
ICE agents are being shot, they're being attacked, they're being threatened,
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they're being menaced, and it's precisely because of lies like this. Seriously,
does the left have to politicize and ruin Christmas? Now? Like? Seriously?
Is this what it's come down to? And I think
that's why you're seeing such a pushback, a why this
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story is popping like crazy, and why it's become such
a controversial issue that the whole country now is talking
about it. By the way, other churches are doing this
in other states. I mean, so this has become a
lightning rod. But this is nothing new. This is happening,
by the way, not just in some Catholic church, in
Protestant churches, even some Orthodox Christian churches. So I think
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a lot of people are saying, no, we're not going
to give you the right to take away our Christmas
and politicize it for your left wing globalist ends. Enough
is enough. You've politicized already too much of our lives
and too much of our culture. Six point thirty two
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on the Great WRKO Jeff Kooner, Boston's Bulldozer. Okay, just to.
People are texting me, emailing me, Jeff. Where can I
find some of the best coverage on this where the
reporting is really fair, accurate and balanced and really gives
you the full true story. Go to Boston Broadside. They've
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had a couple stories up the last twenty four forty
eight hours. Boston Broadside dot com phenomenal coverage. Phenomenal coverage.
And the Archdiocese is now saying they've ordered him to
take it down. They've told him take it down. He
is refusing to take it down. Now. You know, if
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you're now he's defying Bishop Richard Henning. He's literally now
defying the archdiocese itself. I think they got to give
him an ultimatum. I mean, far be it from me
to tell the archdiocese how to do his job. But
you clearly now have a dissident priest, a rogue priest,
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a renegade priest, clearly a far left priest who thinks
now that he's above the You know, he's above the Bible,
he's above the church, he's above canonical law, he's above
the theology of the Church. I mean, this is I'm sorry,
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this is blastom, this is heresy, this is it is sacrilegious,
it is blasphemous. And now I'm telling you let me
he's flirting with heresy. Let's just put it this way.
And so my position, I think my position is clear.
The archdiocese needs to either meet with them or pick
up the phone and say, listen, I'm giving you one hour.
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Either this Nativity scene comes down, or I'm telling you
you're gonna be defrocked. You're gonna be removed from your
position as the priest of this parish. And I'm telling
you you're gonna lose your caller, you will no longer
be a priest, and maybe follow your true calling which
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has worked for some far left wing George Soros funded NGO.
Or run for the you know, the Democratic Party, run
for some local office. Because you're clearly this you're you're
not a man of the cloth. This is open rebellion,
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that's what this is, open defiance. And I think the
parishioners of Saint Susannah deserve better. I think the Catholic
Church deserves better. I think Christians everywhere deserve better. Enough
is enough. Now I want to go to the phone
lines six one, seven two, six six sixty eight sixty eight,
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Just very quickly. This is C. J. Doyle. He is
the executive director of the Catholic Action League of Massachusetts.
He was on Boston twenty five regarding this whole Nativity
scene scandal uh and talking about the Father Stephen Jessoma.
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Listen to what he had to say. Roll cut twelve, B.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Mike, he's politicizing Christmas. He's exploiting the Holy Family. He's
using his position as a past sort of a Catholic
parish to promote his left wing politically theology.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yes I mean by yes and again it's not a
one off, you know, he say, I don't know what
got into the guy this time whatever. He's been doing
this now consistently for at least ten years, on issue
after issue after issue. He's a left wing Marxist political
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activist masquerading as a priest. Listen now to again CJ. Doyle.
I thought he hit the nail right on the head,
Executive director, Catholic Action League of Massachusetts, pretty much saying
what I'm saying, Get a new job, seriously, find find something.
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This is not for you. Being a priest is clearly
not for you. So find some new employment. Roll cut
twelve C.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Mike, is this not obstruction or justice they're really pushing here.
If he doesn't really believe in the Catholic religion or
thinks the Catholic Church is simply a vehicle for political activism,
perhaps he should find new employment.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yes, yeah, And I think that's honestly, I hope that's
what Bishop Henning tells him. You know, I think their
meeting today. I hope they're meeting today. They were supposed
to meet over the weekend. They did not meet over
the weekend. They were supposed to meet yesterday. They did
not meet yesterday. I think, to be honest, the Archdiocese
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is shocked. The Archdiocese is like, look, we gave you
a direct order. We put it out in an official
press release and a statement. Take the blasphemousativity scene down.
It's sacrilegious. Take it down and restore baby Jesus and
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Mary and Joseph to the manger. Like, we can't be
clearer on this. This is canonical norms, canonical law. You're
in violation. Like this is fundamental church teaching. Did this
guy even go to a seminary? Like I gotta ask no, seriously,
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six one seven two, six, six sixty eight sixty eight. Okay,
let me ask all of you, what do you think
now needs to be done with this continued open defiance.
That's number one. Number two, you have many people in Debtham,
but I'm not kidding. Oh, there's a lot of moonbats
(24:33):
in Debtam. Holy mackerel, are there a lot of moonbats
in Debtam. They are rallying to Father Josoma and they're
saying they love it. This is exactly the message that
the church should be promoting. They want more churches to
be promoting this message. As one of them said in
(24:53):
one of these local media interviews, the church should be
a mirror on society. And our country is involved in
a big debate on whether we should be deporting illegal
aliens and whether we should be securing the border, and
so the church should be reflective of this debate, and
the church should be taking the side of illegals. That
(25:16):
Jesus was an illegal. Jesus would side with the illegals,
as they all keep saying, what would Jesus do? And
according to them, Jesus would side with the illegal aliens
and with sanctuary cities and with sanctuary states. In other words,
to put it in Massachusetts. In the Massachusetts context, Jesus
(25:40):
would stand with Michelle wou according to them. Jesus would
stand with Mora Heally, Jesus would stand with the Chief
Elizabeth Warren according to them. And so they're congratulating this priest,
they are defending this priest, and they are rallying or
around this priest. So let me ask you, what do
(26:04):
you make of this Nativity scene? And is this priest
right or wrong? Six one seven two six six sixty
eight sixty eight. Okay, let's go to Tom in Hudson.
You're going to kick us off. Tom, Thanks for holding
and welcome.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Thank you, Jeff, Jeff. This irritates me on three different points. First,
the sign did he put up saying this is the
ICE number that's aiding and a betting criminals and helping
people want other people about where the our government aidents are.
(26:45):
They should put up a sign says ICE is welcome here,
this way here, because the church policy is everybody's welcome.
The sign that says excuse me, let's go back. One
about the politicizing of the church. They should teach the
Ten Commandments. Our aid going to these illegal immigrants is
(27:09):
stealing from our children. In the Bible, it says God
says you should give to the poor. He didn't say
steal the money to give to the poor. He says
give from your own We're in debt up to thirty
eight trillion dollars federal. The state is three hundred and
twenty five and twenty eight thousand dollars in debt. I mean,
(27:30):
it's just unbelievable the amount of money we're paying for
these people, this thing called Catholic charities. I believe in
supporting other poor people, but I can't do it with
our children's money. You have to do with my money.
And as far as the sign that says the police number,
I believe that the police in the town should take
(27:51):
that sign down because oh I agree.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
No, Tom, Look, you know, to me, that's almost as
bad as the ice was here the other smaller sign underneath,
because there's a group lucee six one seven, two sixty
six sixty eight sixty eight is the number. Okay, to
everybody out there, if you could help the kooner Man
out a little bit, and I don't mean me personally,
(28:17):
in terms of the good of the cause. Kooner Man
maybe about five minutes ago put out what do you
want to call it X, A tweet whatever on my
X account at the Kooner Report. Again, please go to
at the Kooner Report kuh N as a national er,
(28:40):
where I am calling upon the archdiocese to order this ridiculous,
rogue far left priest to take down that Nativity scene
sign that's sacrilegious, blosshemous, frankly disgusting, insulting Nativity scene sign down.
(29:02):
If you could like it, forward it, just send it around,
because the more this message gets out there, the more
pressure will build on the archdioces to finally do the
right thing. And frankly, I want to shame this priest.
He's never had backlash like this before. Ever. He gets
(29:25):
away with it all the time because there's always been
no cultural opposition to the far left in this state
and frankly to much of the left across the country.
And we have to draw a line in the sand somewhere,
And to me, it's Christmas. I mean, seriously, if we're
(29:46):
not going to defend the dignity and integrity and purity
of Christmas. And by the way, this is not a
religious issue. It really shouldn't be. If you're listening and saying,
you know, Jeff, I don't really a church goer, or
you know, I'm not really a believer. That's fine, God
bless you. It's a free country. Seriously, God bless you.
But come on, we all celebrate Christmas. We all get
(30:10):
to December twenty five. Off, we all participate in the
spirit of Christmas, the season of Christmas. And I don't
just mean the trees and the country, the you know,
and the and you know, Santa and you know and
his elves and the reindeer and the gift giving. But
you know, look, a baby was born. Christians believe the
(30:31):
Son of God, Peace and goodwill to everyone on earth.
It's beautiful. It's at the heart of America who we are.
It's at the heart of Western civilization who we are,
whether you're religious or not. Don't allow the left to
(30:53):
politicize this. That's what they're trying to do. Now. Don't
let them ruin Christmas. Let them know that if they
do this, they're going to pay a tremendous price, and
maybe they'll stop, because you see, they're so drunk with
power and hubris that they think they can go around
(31:15):
and destroy every institution and every tradition, and they had
there has to be a line where we say no
to me. This is clearly the line. You're not going
to ruin Christmas. You're not going to ruin Christianity. You're
not gonna ruin Baby Jesus. That's it. No, The answer
is no. Six one seven, two, six, six, sixty eight
(31:39):
sixty eight is the number. Agree, disagree? All right, lines
are loaded. Dave, our Western PA constitutionalist correspondent out in
the Pittsburgh area. Thanks for holding Dave, and welcome.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Good morning, Jeff. How are you doing, buddy?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Very good? How are you, David?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Good Jeff. If somebody ever tells me there's global warming
and it's fourteen degrees again, I'm gonna whitewash them in
the snow. But hey, Jeff, real quick, before we get
to today's subject, I just want to comment on yesterday's
I sent you a link to the MPR, which is
the Minnesota public radio station connected to NPR. Okay, I
don't know if you've seen it or a messenger. I
(32:21):
sent you a link to it. Nowhere on that page
was her story that showed the corruption through the snap
and the Somalis. It just said the usual bs well,
Trump is xenophobic and racist and all that, la da da,
And if they're not covering Jeff, you know that the
national media is not covering it. But anyways, getting to
this crazy pre Steff, I think this guy needs to
(32:43):
be sent to like a science project and see he's
got a brain, because this guy needs a full blown lobotomy, buddy.
I mean, this guy so far to the left. He
makes Obama look like a Tea party member.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
You know, it's funny you should say that, but you know,
I mean it's funny. The way you deliver it is
very funny.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I don't even think Obama would do this. Oh really,
I think Obama not that he doesn't want to, right
not because it's all clear now. When he talked about
the fundamental transformation of America, he meant to Islamize America
and de christianize America and frankly the americanize America. I
(33:21):
think there's no question now. But how do I say this?
To be this brazen, to be this insulting, to be
this in your face, this blasphemist about it, I think
Obama would say, no, hey, guys, whoa whoa, whoa whoa,
You're going too far, easy, easy and no. Look, they
(33:43):
become brazen, Dave. That's what this is. Now. They think
they can do anything they want because they never meet
any opposition. And anyway, we're going to see what's going
to happen. Dave. I've got to ask you this, in
all seriousness, if and I know you're not a Catholic.
I know that, and I say this respectfully, but just
(34:05):
for argument's sake, if you were a member of that
parish and that Nativity scene was displayed by you know,
the parish priest, what would you do? What do you
think the members of Saint Susannah should do? Would you
just leave? Would you say something to the priest? Would
(34:26):
you complain? Would you withhold money when they passed the
collection plate? Maybe as one person suggested I think in
an email last week or a text, I can't remember,
but it was, you know what, instead of an envelope
with cash, you put an envelope with a note and
the note says, until this Nativity scene comes down, you're
(34:46):
not getting a dime. Or would you even hold a
rally outside the church? Because he's starting to hold rallies
with his supporters outside the manger, So he's holding a
roundh he's in defense of himself in front of the church.
And again, by the way, no caller. Okay, but let
(35:07):
that go, Dave. What would you do.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
You, Jeff? I would, first of all, I would have
removed the sign myself, and I would hold a counter
rally at the manger, and I would call Rome. Never
mind the nstiosis in Jeff, I'm a farmer Catholic. I'll
tell you a quick little story. I brought a King
James Bible into the into the church, and they had
treated me like I was in the Devil's Advocate. I
set the water on fire or something, or the water
(35:32):
was steaming. But uh no, Je, it's just I mean
nothing against you've been a Catholic. I don't want to
be disrespectful to you. Just some of the doctor and
then the teachings doesn't del with the with the Bible, Jeff.
And and again I'm not knocking your faith. I'm just
being honest. And I ended up getting as communicated because
I've brought a King James Bible into the church. I
kind of left on my own. But just as a sidebout, Jeff,
(35:52):
I respect that you're practicing Catholic and I love that
you respect your faith because we are a freedom of
freedom of faith country.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I mean, Jeff, I don't knock you faith. I love
you and I respect you for it.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Buddy, same here, Dave, all the way. To me, that's
the beauty of America. We were founded upon religious liberty.
To me, that's one of the greatest gifts given to
us by our founding fathers and the people who first
came here. And that's why it's been a beacon for
people of so many faiths to come here and to
be able to practice their faith openly, freely, voluntarily, without
(36:28):
any persecution or harassment. And now the church is being persecuted.
Christianity is being persecuted by some people now even within
the church. That to me is what's turning my stomach. Dave,
thank you very much as always for that call. My
friend six one. He's completely right, six to one. This
(36:49):
is Please, this is not a Catholic issue. There are
Baptists now that are doing this. You've got left wing
Evangelicals that are doing it. You've got Lutherans, left wing,
very left wing Lutherans who are doing it. You even
have now some orthodox Christian churches that are doing it.
So it's spreading and we've got to We've got a
(37:12):
nip this in the bud. I mean this, So what
basically we're just gonna like just destroy Christmas? Is that
what it's gonna be now, So it's it's we're gonna
we're gonna turn Christmas into a political food fight. No,
I'm sorry, this is not acceptable. Six one seven and
(37:35):
by the way, I can't have one hour a week
or I don't have politics shoved down my throat, you know,
one hour a week. And again, if you're a Christian, right,
this is what you believe that you're obligated by God
to give him one hour a week of your time
(37:59):
to thank him, to worship him. I'm just you know,
to think about your soul, what you've done right, what
you've done wrong, to pray. I can't have one hour. No, no,
So six days and twenty three hours of politics, that's
not enough. It's got to be you know, it's got
(38:21):
to be seven days a week, twenty four hours a day.
I'm sorry. No, the answer is no. Six one seven
two six six sixty eight sixty eight is the number
Annie on the South Shore. Thanks for holding Annie and welcome.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
Good morning Jeff, and good morning, good morning through the country.
You know, Jeff. Without the birth of Christ, there would
be no Christmas. That's for us one most The second
is I have made a phone call over there to
that parish. Like a lot of other parishes or rectories
(39:02):
as well, you used to call them. Nobody answers the
phone anymore, so you have to leave a message. I
did do that. I did leave a message. Now my
background very quickly, Jeff, was. I grew up in a
very strict Catholic church. When I say strict, if I
came down and said to my father, do Dad, I
don't feel well, He'd say, that's okay, you get dressed,
(39:23):
you go to church, and you come back and you
can continue being sick. So I go up in a
very strict Catholic household, parochial school. The whole bit after
I was going to be a nun. And as the
Lord chose a different path from me, and I'm walking
that path. I have taken a good look at what
is going on in the world. Christianity is a belief
(39:46):
in the Lord, thy God. Christmas is celebrated around the world.
People right now that are in positions like the sporn
of the devil, and that is what I I will
call him. He is doing the work of evil, the
work of the devil, and those that choose to follow
(40:07):
him will end up. What's the word you want to say?
I don't want to say in the bottels of whatever,
because you know they're the children listening to the radio station.
But I have had it. I have had it up
over my head with this politics, the government, people doing
(40:27):
unbelievable things, crimes getting away with it. Nobody is being
held accountable for anything. This priest is not a priest,
that's first and foremost. If the Catholic Church wanted this
to stop, it would stop in an hour. They would
(40:48):
remove him from that church in the town that I
live in the town at the door had a priest.
There was amusing. Some boys maybe moved that priest because
than you could blink an eye in the Vatican is
very much aware as to what is going on, Jeff.
(41:11):
So if they really wanted it to stop, it would stop.
I am so set up with everything, but I have
to say this, Jeff. My religion is stronger than a statue.
My religion is stronger than a building they cannot take
(41:32):
that from me. And all of us said about there
that are Catholic, are Christians or whatever it is. Remember,
we celebrate the birth of the Lord. So any Nativity
scene that you see are signs that you see, You're
going to look at it and you're going to realize
that people that are in positions are evil. And the
(41:56):
Lord did say beware of people that try to do
good things because in the background, it's not just like
this place. This is not a place death.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Oh I agree. No, what he's doing is satanic, it
truly is. It's evil. What he's doing is evil. And Annie, look,
I really want to congratulate you on your convictions and
your courage in stating your convictions because many people think
like you, but they're afraid to express it.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
No.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Look, first of all, let me just be very clear.
In many parts of the world, and I'm not Please
don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating for vigilanteism or
violence of any kind. Please, I'm I believe in nonviolence
to my core. Okay, again, honestly, in the spirit of Jesus,
as a Catholic, I do not believe in violence. As
(42:44):
a Christian, I abhor it. But I'm just telling you
in many places of the world, I don't care. Let
him try this in Poland. I'm just saying, let him
try this in Eastern Europe. Let him try this in
Latin America. Let him try this in Africa, where, by
the way, the Catholic Church is growing by leaps and bounds.
What I'm saying is, let him try this in more
and I'm putting this in quotes traditional parts of the world.
(43:09):
That Nativity scene, that that thing would be down in
ten seconds, intense. They'd probably light it on fire. They'd probably,
I'm not telling you, they'd grabbed this that the sign
and just torture right there, torch it and tell the
priests I want the baby Jesus to marry in the
Joseph figurines. You put him in the manger. Now, like, well,
(43:29):
what what are you drunk? That's what they would say,
What are you drunk? What are you stroned? What do
you want drugs?
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Did?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
There'd be no question. Okay, that's number one. It wouldn't
even get to the bishop level. Okay, I'm just telling
you the truth. That's number one. Number two, and I'm
not advocating that I want to be clear. But I'm
just saying, you know, look, the archdiocese is going to
take care of it. I think by the end of
today tomorrow the sign is coming down fingers crossed because
(43:58):
they're getting so much pressure now from people like you,
from us, from Kooner country. But this is the larger point.
I would respect this Father Josoma more if he just
completely came out of the closet in every way. If
he came out of the closet and put a rainbow
(44:21):
flag right there in the manger, or put the hammer
in sickle, the communist hammer and sickle, the communist red
star with the Soviet hammer and sickle and put it
right there in the manger, or as I said, the
rainbow flag and say this is what I worship, this
(44:45):
is what I bow down to. I say, at least
you're an honest man. You're a blossomous man, You're a
sacrilegious man. To me, you're a profoundly evil man. But
at least you're an honest man. But don't hide your
far leftism, your Marxism, your globalism, your anti Americanism, your
(45:08):
anti trump Ism. The guy's an anti Trump zealot. He's
crazy he's crazy. He won't stop going after Donald Trump,
both from the pulpit and in the literature that he
gives out at Saint Susannah's. He can't stop himself. So
you know what, don't hide it behind Jesus. Don't stand
(45:32):
there and hide it behind your cloth, behind your your
your your priestly garb, and behind your your man, behind
the baby Jesus, Manger, don't do that because you're a coward. Now,
and the other final point I have to say this,
do you notice that these leftists they never do this
(45:53):
to the Muslims. I know I've made this point many
times before, but think about how true that is. When
have they ever once once taken something that is sacred
to Islam, I don't care what it is, and then
try to distort it, twist it to make some kind
of a stupid left wing globalist Marxist point. I don't
(46:17):
care gun control, climate change, open borders, opposition to ice,
defensive illegal aliens. Would do you think they would ever
go on and say Mohammed was an illegal Mohammed would
support climate change? Do you think they would ever speak
(46:39):
on behalf of Mohammed? Have you noticed that the left
ever they never ever say, you know, Mohammed would be
against gun control. No, no, you know Mohammed would be
against comman made climate change. You know Mohammed. Mohammed would
be against illegal immigration or would be in favor forgive me,
(47:02):
Mohammad would be in favor of illegal immigration. The Muslims
would say, don't you dare even utter his name. Don't
you even ever ever mention his name in the context
of some trendy left wing cause a fatwa on your head,
(47:25):
you're dead. And they know that. And they don't do
it to Hindus, and they don't do it to Buddhists,
and I'm sorry they don't do it to there's a
lot of anti Semitism out there, yes, but they don't
do it to the Jewish faith. There's only one faith,
and that's the Christian faith that they repeatedly mock and
(47:48):
revile and make fun of and ridicule. So the question
is where's our self respect? When are we gonna say
enough is enough? When are we gonna say no, I'm sorry,
you're not doing that now. We're not violent people, quite
the opposite, but we're gonna wring your phone off the hook.
(48:09):
We're gonna email you. We're gonna put a pressure campaign
on the archdiocese, and you're gonna realize that you're gonna
pay a tremendous price in terms of your credibility. We're
gonna call you out and we're gonna do something we
haven't done in a long time. We're gonna shame you.
We're gonna shame you. There's gonna be a moral public
(48:33):
price to pay. Now, leave our leave the Nativity scene alone,
leave Christmas alone enough. You're not gonna get it. You're
not gonna ruin it, you're not gonna politicize it.
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