Should Marijuana be Downgraded?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight
is the number. Uh so according to Mary Anne in Florida.
And of course I have no reason to doubt her.
She said, Jeff, actually, Keith Richards is eighty one.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
You gotta be kidding.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Me so off you know, off air, I text, I
messaged her back. I said, I swear to you. I'm
I'm telling you now what I've told Grace, my family
friends in private. In private, I'll say I am convinced.
I'm telling you, I'm convinced. Keith Richards, Mick Jagger, the Hole,
rolling Stones, they made a pack with the Devil. Like

(00:41):
there's stuff just telling like no, no, the devil says,
you're gonna have fame, you could have sex, drugs, rock
and roll, You're gonna you're gonna do inhuman stuff to
your body, and I'm gonna let you lift like one
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(01:05):
abuse that they've inflicted on their body, the stuff that
they've done.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
They just keep on rolling. Baby.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
I mean, I'm like, that's got to be a pack
with the Devil. I mean, I would kill kill to
have their their genes, their gen to have their health
in terms of their you know whoa that kind of
a constitution.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Holy mackerel.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight
is the number LINN in New Hampshire. Thanks for holding
lin and welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Hello Jeff. How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I'm very good. How are you? Lynn?

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Good? Good?

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Thank you for taking my call. So I do so,
I do drug testing. This is my job. I have
a company in the Hampshire and it's all through Department
Transportation DOT. So this is I mean, all the phone
callers this morning have great points, but the federal and
we talked federally. We're talking about the Department of Transportation.

(02:09):
We're talking about the truckers, the airlines, the bus drivers,
people that work on the pipeline and gas railroad. So
the history of drug testing real quick goes back to
the late eighties with President Reagan. There was a very
bad Amtrak accident in Baltimore, and you can look that up.

(02:32):
About six hundred and fifty people. Either they didn't all die,
but they some died and some were badly injured. The
conductor and the engineer were taking marijuana and PCP. So
President Reagan said there were so many accidents back then
that he says, they put together the DOT Drug and

(02:54):
Alcohol Program, And what that means is anyone that works
for the Department of trans Potation, like I said, trucks, airlines,
railroad transit like in Boston, the Red and Green Line,
the pipeline and Coast Guard a pot of this program.
And what we have to do is we test that

(03:14):
we have we do a five panel test, and potter
in that test is your marijuana and PCP. So I
really think that's how PCP originally got into the DOT
five panel. So basically we have to test the drive
test everyone in the different programs and the different departments
of DOT. They have to have a pre employment drug

(03:37):
test to show their negatives. They go into a pool
or a consortium and they're they're drug tested on a
quarterly basis. And that's how I run my business. I'm
very specially trained.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
SAM.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
All these drug tests that we do right now, we
only do urine oral will be coming soon. They can
almost DOT is very strict. Laboratories have to be stampshin approved.
AJHS is the big ahead of DOOT. What AHS does,
DOT most likely may follow so we discussed this yesterday

(04:13):
in our town hall. I'm a member of a group
called in BASA. It stands for National Drug and Alcohol
Safety No Screening Associates. We are actually going to be
I have an email to get a hold of President
Trump and his people who are all going to correspond
to him to tell him the dangers of GHD with

(04:39):
just transportation and safety for everybody.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Now, Lynn, Lynn, let me ask you this, because I
hear you loud and clear. Look, do I want airline
pilots stoned?

Speaker 5 (04:50):
No?

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Do I want truckers smoking marijuana on a regular basis
ops and getting stone getting high as a kite with
all that tea now they're loading up in these products.
Absolutely not. I'm just curious what do you say to
the argument, because I can already see it, it's already
coming on my on the text line that Okay, Lynn,

(05:15):
you don't like pilots using marijuana because it a THHC
at the high level now of THCHC. Or you know,
truck drivers, but what about if they drink? Now, I'm
not saying obviously you don't want the guy drunk, or
you don't want the guy loaded up on you know whatever.
Six glasses of wine. But say they have a glass

(05:35):
of wine with dinner and then go fly a plane,
or they have say a bottle of beer before they
you know, with the launch or with dinner and then
they drive a truck. Do you have as much opposition
to alcohol as you do to marijuana. I'm just curious
what's your position.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Well, here's the thing with alcohol. It's water soluble, So
you can have a beer in your you can have
a beer at dinner, and we test for alcohol. We
test fifty FMCSA test fifty percent a year in your
pool of drug testing, and ten percent for alcohol, and
we do get positive alcohol. So we are picking up

(06:17):
people in the morning drinking that cannot pass a breath
of alcohol test. Now here's the problem with marijuana. One
of the issues. It's fat soluble. So that's why when
the woman said thirty days if you don't smoke marijuana
on a regular basis, and let's say you go up
camping for the summer and you have a joint, Okay,

(06:39):
if you don't do it normally, we'll still pick it
up in your urine for two weeks. It's the metabolite
of THHD delta nine is what we test. That is
the psychopod. You do not want truck drivers right now
to see the statistic. The dolt set up what was
called the clearing house. Basically, that is a database where

(07:02):
we were.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Lynn, can you do me a favor. I don't want
to rush this. Please hang on. I'm up against a
heard break. Okay, let me ask you. Trump now under
a lot of pressure to reclassify cannabis, marijuana pot, however,
you want to call it as not a Class one drug,
which is up there with heroin, cocaine LSD, but as

(07:24):
a Class three drug, a much less dangerous drug like
ketamine or steroids or testosterone or whatever other there's other
categories but sorry, other drugs as well, but basically as
a much more mild, less addictive, much less dangerous drug.

(07:45):
He says. You'll make a decision in the next couple
of weeks. There is now a big push to legalize
marijuana in every single state in the Union. Agree, disagree.
Let's go right back to Lynn in New Hampshire. She
works for the New Hampshire Department of Transportation. She says,

(08:06):
look at the federal level, it's very important. We're talking
about you know, airline pilots, the regulation of airline pilots,
truck drivers that drive across state lines, et cetera. You
don't want these people stoned on th high marijuana loaded

(08:26):
with THHC. And I was asking her about comparing that
now with alcohol, and she said, they also test for alcohol. Lynn,
please pick up where you left off. You think ultimately
marijuana is more lethal and potent than alcohol, Correctlynn.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Well, I didn't say that because people drink so right
now though some statistics, even with DUIs driving, marijuana has
just increased over alcohol for the amount of accidents and
the precent of things that are causing accidents that used

(09:06):
to be alcohol, Marijuana has just crept over that.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Now, Lynn, this is important because when I did my
opening monologue, I mean to cut you off, but you
touch on a very key point that there's all these
studies now from these universities, the CDC in Britain and
elsewhere that accidents marijuana only duy. In other words, it's
not marijuana mixed with booze or mixed with something else,

(09:32):
it's just people because again, the marijuana is so potent
with this THC that people are like they're really they're
like they're it's you know, they're blasting off, they are
super high, that the high is very powerful that they're
seeing now a skyrocketing number of cases of people crashing cars,

(09:52):
vehicles because they're stoned on this potent marijuana. When you
say it's past alcohol, well, are you saying it's marijuana only,
dui or is it marijuana mixed with alcohol?

Speaker 3 (10:07):
I'm gonna I'm not one hundred percent short to say
toy marijuana, but okay. The University of Sydney did a
study for workplace safety and even just a regular level,
not a high level of t THHD, taking that the
cognitive response of workers, it lasts for three to four hours.

(10:28):
If it's a higher amount of THHD in your system,
it can go up to seven hours. For being now
you're high at the very beginning, but it still continues
in your system. That's why companies do the test reasonable
suspicion because they see people. I give trainings on that.
If you supervisors, we train supervisors again, that's part of

(10:50):
dot DOOT that the supervisors have to be trained to
recognize that their workers are acting unusual and on or
what are they using. And it could be PhD and
it could be alcohol or other things. But I just
wanted to say, skip back real quick to the clearinghouse,
real quick. This is a database where we all in

(11:12):
DT report our violations of alcohol and positive drug testing.
And just in it started. I can't believe the date, Jeff,
it's January sixth, twenty twenty. The clearinghouse opened up and
we know what that data is or something else. Anyways,
in the past, just between now and last year twenty

(11:34):
twenty four, there are one hundred and seventy seven thousand
violations that were not from truckers that they haven't gone.
They have a how do I say this? Okay, one
hundred and seventy seven thousand truckers that had violations, and
what this database does is it stops them from getting
another job. Before this database, the truckers would And I'm

(11:57):
not blaming truckers. There's so many good ones, so please,
I'm not And it's just certain people. I don't mean it,
you know, I'm not putting fingers on anybody, but they
would sweep positive drug results under the rug and when
they go to get a new job, oh no, everything's good. Bot.
We have to look back so many years at previous
drug testing and see if they had violations. Well, the

(12:17):
clearinghouse is picking this all up.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
Now.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
The two top drugs in the clearinghouse of marijuana and cocaine.
So that's what the truckers are doing.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Wow, So you're saying marijuana and cocaine above alcohol.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Oh yeah, Well alcohol is still high up there, but
marijuana is so so the percentage is so high because
it's illegal. It's legal in so many states.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
I understand.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Lynn, I got to tell you it's been a real education,
a real education.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Lynn.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Thank you very again, best audience in the business. Lynn,
thank you so much for that call.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Again. That's I was just going back to, you know,
this is what the CDC is.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
I'm just going by what they're reporting, the CDC and
all these other studies. Three in ten Americans now say
they are addicted to marijuana. That's These are staggering numbers.
By the way, their studies internationally, so it's not just
an American thing. Latin America, Europe, Asia, the Middle East, Hey,

(13:25):
the Middle East, Australia and New Zealand they say now
that the rates of marijuana use have exploded. The only
exception is Africa. I don't know what's going on in Africa.
Rates in Africa in terms of using marijuana have been stable,
but everywhere else they say the use of marijuana has exploded.

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And they say, what the big change? They say, the
only thing we can account for is again it's not
your parents's pot that we're talking THC content to fifteen
to twenty twenty five often seventy eighty ninety ninety five percent,
So it's becoming much more addictive. People try it, they

(14:09):
use it, they stay on it, and it's a very
powerful high. And they're also saying it's they're seeing clear
mental health problems because of it, rises and suicide or
at least thoughts of suicide, depression, anxiety. It's a fact
now exacerbating PTSD, not helping anymore with PTSD problems with

(14:34):
lung cancer, cardiovascular issues very similar tobacco. So and especially
young adults. The key one is eighteen to thirty. They say,
if trends continue the way they are, in about ten
to fifteen years, a majority, not just in America, in Europe,

(14:55):
Latin America, Asia, they will be marijuana users. That's why,
if you want to understand it's not just the American market.
They look at the world, these powerful corporate interests and
say this will make big pharma and big tobacco look

(15:16):
like a family dentistry or a family doctor practice. There
is so much money now potentially in marijuana, in big pot,
big marijuana. Michael in Florida. Thanks for holding Michael, and welcome.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Hey there, Jeff, Hi.

Speaker 6 (15:36):
I felt compelled to call you.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
This morning based on the issue.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
I'm originally from New Hampshire. I got educated up in
New England and retired down here in Florida, where I
got a medical marijuana card and really based on just
asking for a local doctor here. But you know, I
experimented with marijuana my whole life, basically from boarding school

(16:05):
on thanks to the grateful dead.

Speaker 6 (16:08):
You know, it became.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Common sense once I graduated and got a job and
went on to grad school. You know, it's common sense,
just like you don't You don't have two shots of
vodka in the morning before you go to work. You
have to go to work, and it's six thirty seven thirty.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Mike, Michael, can you please hang on, you know, because
God forbid, you know, Mike and the booth should you know,
give you an extra thirty second? Okay, let's go right
back to Michael in Florida. He's essentially a New Hampshire transplant,
you know, born and raised in New Hampshire. He's now
retired in Florida. Michael, you were saying that you've used

(16:48):
marijuana off and on throughout your life. Please pick up
where you left off.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Well, the point like what they should be teaching. And
I was fortunate to get a great education and boarding
school and college and graduate school blah blah blah. And
what I learned as soon as I graduated and had
to pay my own bills and work for the man,
you know, was there's.

Speaker 6 (17:17):
A time and place to do it. You know, if
I get home at seven point thirty at night, I'm
happy to you know, I used to smoke a bomb,
you know.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
Back from the Cheat and Shong days, and.

Speaker 6 (17:29):
You know, have two or three glasses of wine.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
Sure that's fine.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
But at six o'clock in the morning, I have to
be out.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
The door and I have to perform. And what I
do behind closed doors is like music, religion, and sex.
You know, what I do on my own time belongs
to me. But if I owe a company ten hours
a day, that's what they should be teaching.

Speaker 6 (17:52):
I believe, and you know, I smoke.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Pots to this day. I have a medical card here
in Florida. To the asking, you know, I said, I, oh,
I had depression, and yes, this is tongue in cheek,
but I basically went and said, yeah, I'm depressed. You
know my phone bill is too high this month. I'm depressed,
and they gave me a card and.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
Off I go.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
But that has nothing to do with you know, six
thirty to seven thirty.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Now, Michael, I'm just curious if you don't mind me asking,
and if I'm getting too personal again, please tell me.
I promise I won't be offended. How often would you
say that you do smoke pot every day? Twice a week,
once a week, once every two weeks.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
I'm outside on my patio watching ESPN, and yeah, I'll
smoke half a joint or something and come in and
brush my teeth and go to bed. You know, it's
it's routine, but nothing to do with when the sun's out,
you know.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
No, I understand you're saying.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
When you wake up in the morning, you're sober, and
you're you know, you're stalled. Obviously you've slept the whole
night and you know, you're when you're on the job.
You don't drink, you don't you know, you don't do drugs,
you don't do anything. So but you're saying you're basically
you're a daily pot user.

Speaker 6 (19:11):
Correct, Yeah, I guess so sure.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Now, Michael, I'm just ballpark. How long have you been
a daily pot user?

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Again? If you don't mind me.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Asking and spoorting school?

Speaker 6 (19:22):
So maybe fifteen years old?

Speaker 2 (19:23):
All right? So and I was I figure, what you
what are you? Fifty? Now? Sixty years old?

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Sixty going on sixty eighth, All.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Right, sixty So basically you've been a daily pot user.
You would say, what for forty five years?

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Yes, Jeff?

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Okay, no, no, no. The reason why I'm asking is this, Michael,
all seriousness again. According there was this huge study done
in Britain, okay, and I want to get your take
on this. And so they they had a trial and
they separated two groups of people and they were very
similar in background, very similar in education. They were as

(19:59):
similar as they could possibly be. Both of them. Both
groups did not drink alcohol. One group was essentially you
know me. They don't drink, they don't smoke, they've never
used drugs. But in particular when it came to pot,
they don't they never smoked pot. The other group smoked

(20:20):
pot almost on a daily basis, they said, twenty times
every month, in other words, basically twenty days out of thirty.
And so they monitored this group when they were eighteen
years old, then again at twenty one, at twenty six,
at twenty eight, at thirty two I believe, don't quote

(20:41):
me on that, but then it was thirty eight and
that's when they stopped to study. So over twenty years, periodically,
according to them, I just want to get your take
on this, they said. The group that smoked pot again
almost daily over a twenty year period, they say they
lost about six to eight IQ points, meaning permanently those

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IQ points are gone. Now it's not the end of
the world, you know, eight IQ points is not gonna
make you an imbecile or an idiot, but it does
dumb you down a little bit. That's according to them.
What say you agree disagree? Have you felt anything like

(21:25):
that in your life?

Speaker 6 (21:27):
Well?

Speaker 4 (21:28):
I agree again, it's situational. My wife just enrolled at
Oxford University and she most pot occasionally.

Speaker 5 (21:39):
It as I.

Speaker 7 (21:40):
Told my fifteen year old daughter, at the time she
got caught, you know, using cannabis, and I said, you know,
I had to have that parent a child conversation that
some of us had to have that. Look, it's going
to make math really hard for you. Okay, So if
you're out of already on Saturday night, that's one thing.

(22:02):
But if you're stoned at school, it's going to make
algebra really, really tough. I'm here to tell you by experience,
because I got stoned and went to algebra class or
accounting in one oh one, and it was a dumpster fire.
And then you know, if you're sober and your heads clean,
it's you know that. That's how I graduated.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Interesting, Michael, Thank you very and thank you for your honesty,
and thank you for your call. Six one seven two
six six sixty eight sixty eight is the number Anthony
in Nashawah.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Thanks for holding Anthony, and welcome.

Speaker 8 (22:41):
Good morning, Jeff.

Speaker 6 (22:42):
How you doing good?

Speaker 2 (22:43):
How are you, Anthony?

Speaker 8 (22:45):
Jeff, I'm doing fantastic and I love you in a
non sexual way, and I love all of your listening.
You're right best audience in the business. I listen to
you every morning. I'm an Amazon subscriver so I'm a subcontractor.
I work myself hard work and get up every morning, work.

Speaker 6 (23:02):
Six days a week. And I'm a daily plot user.

Speaker 8 (23:06):
You know, I've been daily plot users since I was
seventeen years old, a junior in high school. And I
think it really depends on who you are as a person,
because I don't feel like it affects me anyway. I
don't feel like I'm getting dumber, you know what I mean.
I consider myself a very smart man. People I talk
to tell me I'm very smart man all the time.

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And I feel like it's more or less who you are,
because like, for example, I do not drink alcohol. All
did it a little bit back in high school, you know, experimenting,
but I didn't.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Swear, say bull crap, say bs. But please don't the
F bomb and bull because I'm going to get fined.
So please Anthony. But we've dumped it, right, Mike, Okay,
So please Anthony. We're gonna keep you on. We're going
to bring you back on, but please don't swear because
then I'm going to have to drop you.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
But go ahead, Anthony, the floor is yours.

Speaker 9 (23:57):
Keep going deeply appalledgize, no, no, no, worries go ahead, But
I feel like it really depends on who you are
and taking my personal responsibility for who you are.

Speaker 8 (24:08):
For example, just recently in New Hampshire they passed you know,
you don't have to get them session sticker anymore. And
some people are like, oh, it's gonna need the.

Speaker 6 (24:15):
More car accidents.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
Well will it?

Speaker 8 (24:17):
Really? Because people should be taking personal responsibility for their
own safety and the safety of others on the road
and make sure their ride is safe to go to
work every day, just like we're smoking. I don't smoke
while I'm working, but when I'm done.

Speaker 6 (24:29):
With work, I love to light up a prey roll,
you know what I.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
Mean, and.

Speaker 8 (24:35):
I can still function and live my.

Speaker 6 (24:37):
Life a daily life.

Speaker 8 (24:38):
I feel like it's better than regular pharmaceutical drugs because
I think those are just you know, I don't trust
you know, pharmaceuticals that much. I I'm a godfearing person.
You know, God made weed, Man made pills. Who you
put in your faith in. But I mean, I think
it really comes down to who you are as a person,
personal accountability and responsibility, knowing your limitations. Like Okay, well

(25:02):
I've had enough, I'm gonna put this down. I'm done
to the day and then going on about your life.
I mean, I don't feel like it's that big of
a problem. But I could be wrong and people could
distrib me. But I think it really comes down to
who you are, because I mean, I eat like I'm
a teenager. I bring coffee every day. I drink three

(25:22):
four medium ice coffeeses a day, and I eat proud.
I don't eat veggies, I don't eat fruits. You know
what I mean. But I'm healthy as a horse, so.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Jeans. You know that's what I'm talking about, man.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
I mean, you know, honestly, if I had three or
four ice coffees a day, Anthony, I swear to you,
I wouldn't sleep for three days. Like I just I'm
so sensitive to caffeine. The one bottle of coke zero
is about all I can handle in terms of caffeine,
no vegetables.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
I'm dead.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
I'm dead in two months, Anthony, Anthony, I've got to
ask you this, my friend again. If I'm getting too personal,
please tell me. Do you buyer or get your pot, cannabits, marijuana, whatever.
Do you get it from a dispensary or do you
grow it yourself?

Speaker 8 (26:09):
At home, not getting too personal. I used to get
it from a you know, a crust, the street sources,
and then it went lego. So I go down to
Massachusetts because I worked in Massachusetts a lot. So I
get it at dispensaries, you know, down in Massachusetts, because
you know, I feel like that's more a little bit
more regulated, Like it's a little bit more safer than
the street stuff, because you never know what you're getting

(26:30):
in the street stuff nowadays. I mean they could be
leased with Fatino for all I know. So that always
scares me. But I've never wanted to touch another drug. And
that those people that say, oh, it's a gateway rug,
it's gonna lead to cocaine, it's gonna lead to you
doing No, it's not. I've been a pot smoker for
twenty years. If that's what you like, then that's what
you like. If you need a higher fix and you
have an addictive personality, and yeah, you're gonna go to

(26:52):
the higher drugs. But I've never felt the need to
go to a higher drug. I mean, I should be
dead right now. I'm almost thirty nine years old. I'll
be thirty nine next and I should be dead. For
the way I eat and the way I do stuff.
But somehow I'm healthy as a horse.

Speaker 6 (27:05):
So I don't know.

Speaker 8 (27:05):
I think.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
I'm telling you got a great constitution. You got really,
life is not. Do you have a full head of hair?
If you don't mind me asking.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
I do.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, Well there you go.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
You see what I mean. You screwed me twice over, buddy.
You got a better constitution than I have, and you
got better hair than I have. I'm practically bald and
I was already balding by the time I was forty,
basically your age. So you know, God, what can I
tell you? He doesn't spread the wealth am mount equally?
You know, he gave you great constitution and he gave

(27:36):
you great hair. Anthony, I've got to ask you, when
you go down and you buy the whatever the marijuana products,
do you feel that, let's say, over the last twenty years,
is it more powerful? Is it more potent? Do you
feel that they've loaded it up now with more THC.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
I'm just curious.

Speaker 8 (27:55):
I've loaded it up some with more TC. But I
also think it depends on your tones of who you are,
you know what I mean. Some people can sit there
and drink a six pass of beer. Some people can
get bronk Off for one beer. So you have to
know your body chemistry and know who you are. I
know how much you can take in, and I think
some people, you know, especially if you smoke for many years,
you might need you know a little bit of a
higher toalance level versus you might need mid grade or lower,

(28:18):
you know.

Speaker 10 (28:18):
What I mean.

Speaker 8 (28:18):
I think it really depends on who you are and
knowing you're rusting you know what you can take in.
But I yeah, it has gone a little bit more
powerful over the last twenty Years's definitely a rae, especially
with it becoming legal. But I like I said, I
think that's just a different level.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
Like do you like drinking a beer or a wine
or do you like drinking hard alcohol?

Speaker 5 (28:36):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (28:37):
Do you want to do something on the low spectrum
or the high spectrum? I think it depends on what
you're feeling, who you are, what your body can handle.
But then, like I said, it comes down and sway
to have to square one personal accountability and responsibility. People
need to be responsible and I think that they will
be fine with it.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Anthony, Thank you very much for that call, and stay safe.
On the road my friend six one seven two six
six sixty eight sixty eight Brian, So do you agree?
Anthony lays it out there saying, look, ultimately, it's personal responsibility,
and if we're going to live in a free society,
people should be accountable and responsible for their actions. So,

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and there's a lot of you that believe, no, make
it legal, keep it legal, not just in the States,
but if people want it in all fifty states, let
it be in all fifty states.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Do you agree?

Speaker 8 (29:29):
Or?

Speaker 1 (29:30):
For example, and Coulter has written a brilliant column I
mean well written, I say brilliant, just a really well
written column saying that this is creating, in her words,
a nation of stoners, and that there's a lot of
false advertising now being pushed with these marijuana products being
made legal, and that people don't really understand fully the

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devastating mental, physical, and mental health effects. And she believes
that it should be made illegal, and she definitely doesn't
want it reclassified as a Class three drugs. She wants
to keep it as a Class one drug. So conservatives
are split. Where do you stand? Sixty one seven two

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six x sixty eight sixty eight Brian in Quinsy. Thanks
for holding Brian and welcome.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
Yeah, I totally disagree. The thing is, just because you
aren't affected by it doesn't mean the next person is.
It comes down to jeans and it comes down to
immune system. The thing is some people can can drink
like a fish, like my grandmother and she lived for

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ninety eight and she smoked also. Okay, The problem is
is that anyone that pleaves in cookie kind of things
is wrong. The thing is, they don't have enough studies
on the effects of THAC, especially with the elevated elevated levels. Okay,
you know. The problem is is that marijuana, right, it's

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not physically addictive, but it's mentally addictive. And the problem
is mentally addictive drugs are worse than chemicals because at
least with your chemically, you can use a chemical to
try to, you know, get off, it mentally takes much longer.
And the thing is is that I'm a newber driver
and I don't know, maybe everyone's stoned on the road,

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but people are blown through red lights, stop signs.

Speaker 6 (31:28):
Well, it's Massachusetts.

Speaker 10 (31:30):
But the thing is is that.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
No, no, it should not be legal because we don't
have enough studies to tell us how how to figure
out if it's going to affect us which way or
the other. And you know there are some drugs that don't.
But the thing is THC in high levels. Anything in
high levels is bad, just like you said in moderation.

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But most people don't have impus control anyway, so the
thing is giving them that ability. My view is CBD, cream.

Speaker 6 (32:04):
And all that stuff.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
The stuff will take out THC. Fine, don't declise it
with THC because it is bad for you. And as
a person who is a military scientist and a chemist,
I'm telling you, when you use it, what's going to
happen is is your body's gonna get used to it,
and then what happens is your body chemistry changes and

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now you will need it. Okay, I don't know. I
don't have enough studies to tell me the high level
of TC is going to coug this. Okay. No no
legalizing any drug a period.

Speaker 10 (32:40):
It is bad.

Speaker 6 (32:41):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
Natural community and your natural you know stuff, you know
things that will help you. CBD helped me with pain
and stuff like that. But I rescardless in English, Okay,
so I know I can handle it, but that doesn't
mean everyone bruh.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Brian.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
In other words, you got good jeans, buddy, I hear you, Brian.
I got to ask you this because I want to
go back to Ann Coulter's column for a second, because
this is the argument that she makes. Okay, I don't
know if I fully buy it or not, but I
just it's an interesting argument.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
She's arguing that.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
If you really want to understand the politics of California
and the politics of Massachusetts and the politics of Colorado,
she's really singling out many.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Of these blue states.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
That have legalized marijuana, not for medicinal but recreational purposes.
She goes back to that study about that it permanently
lowers people's IQ again, it's nothing, you know, it doesn't
turn you into an idiot, but about six to eight points.
And what she says is, you know what six to
eight points is. It's the difference between say, Massachusetts and Ohio.

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It's the difference between California and Sayuri, meaning how they vote.
That overall, red state populations have higher IQs than those
in the Blue states, and a big reason is because
they don't abuse drugs, in particular marijuana. And she says

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again she goes back to Soros saying the reason why
George Soros was pushing for the legalization of marijuana was
he wanted to create a nation of stoners. Make them
as lazy, not that everyone becomes lazy, but make them
as lazy as possible, as controllable as possible, as dumbed

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down as possible, as stoned as possible, as addicted as possible.
And so she says, that's why you all sorts of
things in blue states, whether it's sanctuary cities, whether it's
high crime, people don't care or many people don't care

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because they're.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
They're all high on marijuana.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
They're all using marijuana on a sustained, consistent basis. And
this is she says, you want to see what's really
killing America. It's not just drugs, but she says it's
a key reason why, in other words, you start legalizing marijuana,
you're going to have a society full of bills in Sudbury.

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What say you, Brian, Does that argument resonate with you?

Speaker 6 (35:30):
Pretty simple?

Speaker 11 (35:31):
Okay, Democrats can't afford to be sixty eight points, Okay
they can't. Okay, all right, only dumb enough, Okay, they
can't afford it.

Speaker 6 (35:42):
I mean, I'm wicked smart. I have a genius like you.

Speaker 10 (35:46):
Okay. But the thing is is that it's it's just,
it's just you.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
Must remember that not everyone has has has good genes
and that and that you can't and some people can't
test it. Because my view is is that how about this,
when you go vote, you must take an IQ test
and if you don't have it, and marijuana is not
gonna help it, it's gonna make it worse.

Speaker 9 (36:12):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (36:13):
So so my view is is that I think she's correct.
It's it's the I think it's just the dumbing down
of America making daylight controller and having the drug causes controller.

Speaker 12 (36:31):
Yes, I can brave New worlds Soma. That's what marijuana is.
Soma's not bad and small it is, okay, but soma,
soma would tell your senses to when you're when you
live in a society that is just wrecking you.

Speaker 10 (36:50):
Okay, you need some medication to keep it to keep
it up.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Well, you know, Brian.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Look, it's an interesting point because you mentioned Brave New
World and I urge everybody, especially in the summer, you
have a little bit extra time if you want to
do some summer reading. It's a great novel. It's a
well written novel. It's a very enjoyable novel. It's not
one of these, you know, it's not like a Tolstoyer,
you know, like Ana Karen and Are Warren Peace, where

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it's like six eight hundred and one thousand pages dealing
with these, you know, very heavy themes. It's it's very
much like George Orwell's nineteen eighty four. Alvis Huxley wrote
a novel called Brave New World, and along with George
Rowell's nineteen eighty four, those are the two most influential
novels of the twentieth century. Huxley disagreed with Orwell profoundly.

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Hawxley argued, no, no, no, no. The future society that's gonna
the threat to freedom and individual liberty is not going
to be from Big Brother, from the jack boot on
the neck, he said, It's going to be from in
many ways, what we're living now, a hedonistic, pleasure seeking

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society where individuals are going to be encouraged to do
a lot of drugs, to inject a lot of chemicals,
he said, to be fed a lot of electronics, and
that this way through hedonism, through pleasure through drug use
through pornography, through sex, that they will then become completely

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compliant