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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Cleaning up the liberal bull. Okay, it's you know seven
nineteen seven, twenty ish Wednesday. You know what that means.
Truth or troll. Take it away, Mike.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
And now America's favorite game show where you get to
decide on the Kooner Report.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
This is truth or Tall.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Today's entry for truth control comes from President Trump speaking
in the Cabinet meeting yesterday, when he floats the idea
of taking over the Washington DC government and federalizing it.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
We have tremendous power at the White House to run
places when we have to. We could run DC. I mean,
we're we're looking at DC. We don't want crime in DC.
We want the city to run well. Susie Wills is
working very closely with the mayor and they're doing all right.
I mean in the sense that we would we would
run it so good, it would be run so proper.
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We'd get that best person to run it, and we
run who. The crime would be down to a minimum,
would be much less. And you know, we're thinking about
doing it. To be honest with you, we want to.
We want a capital that's run flawlessly, and it wouldn't
be hard for us to do it.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Taking over the DC government. Jeff, So what do you
think is he serious or is he just trolling mayor
bows or of DC and just telling her essentially get
your crap together.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, I think you're I think she's trolling. I think
you nailed at Mike. He's going to the mayor in
Washington and saying, look, either you clean up Washington, d C,
or we will.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
In other words, he's not gonna do it, but he's
sending a shot across her bow. Uh, And he is
trolling her. He's trolling her hard. And he's right the
troller because DC's a mess. Really, it's like a it's
like a third world hellhole. It's embarrassing. It's the nation's capital.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Mike.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You go there, homeless people everywhere, crime everywhere, garbage everywhere.
Really you feel like, is this the United States of America?
So you know anyway, So, no, he's not going to
federalize it. He understands there'll be so much blowback. But
he's trying to give him a kick in the rear end.
So I would say troll on this, Mike. But let
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me ask the audience, is it truth or is it troll?
When Trump says he's thinking about federalizing Washington, DC essentrally
taking over. You have Congress and the federal government take
over the running of the government of DC. Is it
a truth he's going to do it, he's dead serious,
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or B he's trolling the mayor mayor Bowser basically, get
your act together. A or B truth or troll. I
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can go on X my handle there and vote there
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in Maryland. Thanks for holding Barbara, and.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Welcome, good morning, and thank you for taking my calls.
I'm so confused. I'm so confused when I hear Trump
is hemorrhaging support, Lucy hemorrhaging support from people tend to
forget Donald Trump. Lindsey Graham's not orchestrating anything. As for Epstein,
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if I talk about that at all, it will certainly
be last. But what's happening in Ukraine? President Trump? Our
weapons are low, we may not have enough case we
are attacked. Does this remind people of a little while ago,
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when President Trump told Iran they had two weeks, they
had two weeks, and then within two days that nuclear
plant was obliterated two days. Now, our weapons are low.
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We are not sending enough to win, but enough to
keep it going. Mensy Graham's getting his pound of flesh.
Do you really think that's what's happening? Do you really
think that's what Donald Trump is doing with raising Kine
as his general directing this war. I don't believe it.
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He's not hemorrhaging support, not from the people to count
And I'm telling you what I think what's gonna to
happen right now. Putin betrayed President Trump betrayed his trust.
And some of your callers said, well, he shouldn't have
even dealt with and Putin is using him, like uh uh.
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I don't believe that Putin betrayed his trust because President
Trump genuinely wants peace. I mean, I look at what
he's done everywhere else he's been. He and when Putin
started bombing civilians here recently, I mean he really got vicious. Yes,
he did. Any weapons going to Ukraine. Right now, it's
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gonna end it. This is no long protraction. Uh uh
that's not how President Trump operates. Not only that Putin
betrayed him when he trusted him as a leader. So
you know every yeah, well Putin said this, and yeah,
he is what he is, but this may end him
for just gonna hold my cards and see how that
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plays out. Because raising Kane is the general. President Trump
is the president and he doesn't play chess, and that's
just how I feel about it. I support him to
the end. As Epstein, I'm gonna hold my cards on
that until I see what they do with Jesslene Maxwell.
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Jslee Maxwell has been sentenced to twenty years in jail.
This woman's been in jail, she's been locked up or
on home monitor or whatever. So now there's no crime,
what are you gonna do with her? Is she gonna
disappear or something? I don't think so. I think everybody's
gonna get what they what we're looking for, what the
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list of names. But when we get it, it's gonna
be at a time when the government can collapse because
the name's on that list. If there is a list,
and I'm still holding up you know, whether he made
a list or was you know, in his whatever. We
need to be on stable ground completely in this country,
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because I think that list is going to take a
lot of folks down, if there is one, and this
is just not the time for it. What happened happened.
I'm sad about it. Yes it shouldn't have happened, but
I want to see I'll just that's how you know. Hey.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Interesting, So you're saying, look, trust in the president. He
knows what he's doing, he's a closer. And uh, you're
gonna reserve judgment, as you said, you're gonna keep your cards.
You're gonna hold your cards. Give him time on Ukraine,
and give him time on Epstein, and people are going
to be surprised at the results. Interesting, very interesting, Barbara,
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as always, thank you very much for that call. So
Barbara says, trust in Trump? What say you agree? Disagree?
Six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight
is the number. Okay, So we're going to come back,
take all of your calls. Don't touch that dial. Six
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one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight is
the number. Okay. Listen now to President Trump. He now
does a one hundred and eighty degree U turn on
sending weapons to Ukraine. Listen now to him, and to
be fair to the President, you know, I disagree with
your decision, but to be fair, the facts on the
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ground are now changing. Russia is involved in a massive campaign.
Ain't offensive a summer offensive. They are taking over villages,
They are pushing on key strategic areas. Ukrainians now are dying.
Many civilians are being pounded in major cities like Kiev
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and other cities through missile and drone attacks. And the
Ukrainian military now is buck There is no question they're
on the ropes. They need weapons. They need weapons now.
Listen to President Trump saying asked about this temporary pause
by ordered by the Pentagon last week in which they
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reviewed all weapons being sent abroad, in which the Pentagon
came out with a statement saying, we are solo ourselves
in terms of our stockpile, our inventories. We don't recommend
sending any more weapons to anybody. We don't have enough
patriot missiles to defend our country. We don't have enough
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artillery shells, we don't have enough missiles. We have sent
so much that basically now our inventory is almost completely depleted.
So he was asked about that the pause, and listen
to his response roll cut to c This was yesterday
at the Cabinet meeting by Caitlin Collins of CNN, cut
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to see mikesis to Ukraine.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
As you said last night, last week, the Pentagon paused
some shipments of weapons to Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Did you approve of that loss?
Speaker 7 (10:11):
We wanted to put defensive weapons because Putin he's not
treating human beings right, He's killing too many people. So
we're sending some defensive weapons to Ukraine.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
And I've approved then.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
So who are the pause last week?
Speaker 7 (10:26):
I don't know what. Don't you tell me?
Speaker 6 (10:29):
You think that's a question.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So he's going to send defensive weapons apparently now with
the administration is telling the media it is going to
be a multi billion dollar package. They've already under Biden
they sent three Patriot missile systems. Trump now wants to
send another Patriot missile system interceptors. These are missiles that
intercept either incoming missiles or drones or whatever from the sky.
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He also wants to send more drones to Ukraine, more
artillery shells, short range mid range missiles, hell fire missiles.
He wants to level the military playing field, the battlefield,
and he says if it's not now it will be
too late for Ukraine if we wait any longer. Agree, disagree?
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Alex in Cambridge, Thanks for holding Alex and welcome.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Thanks for taking me my call. Yeah, it's very interesting discussion.
One of your callers talked about the real politic of Putin.
I totally agree that. I think Putin is all about
real politic, and let's don't forget in twenty fourteen inter
CRIMEA and then it was peace, there was no activity,
and then he came back for more. So I think
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Trump is finally waking up to the fact that Putin
is no good. He can't be trusted. He's got an agenda,
and that's to take over the old territory of Ukraine
at used to belong to Russia. Wants it back, and
he's not going to stop till he gets it back.
And I think there's no question about it. He's not
going to make peace until he gets all of Ukraine
under his thumb. And that means Olenski's going to go,
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and they're going to get in somebody there that they
can manage where they did it in the old Soviet days,
and then they're going to move on. You know, we
know now that NATO doesn't really have anything. You think
we're depleted. They don't even have armies. I mean, they've
been under our nuclear umbrella since the nineteen sixties and
there's no way they can defend themselves against Russia without US.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
No way.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
So that maybe in thirty years they'll have a military again,
but it's going to take them a long time to
build up. And I don't think that it's news about
America running low on munitions. I mean that was in
the paper last year, and they're starting to ramp up
production around the country. That's been an ongoing issue because
we have been given everything away. But I think I
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personally think Trump is doing the right thing. I think
I think he is moving in the right direction. Putin
is not a trustworthy person. It may be very charming
but to some people, but look look at what they
did back in fifty six they rolled through Budapest, and
sixty eight they roll through Prague. They were going to
do in Kiev in twenty twenty two, They're just going
to roll through and nobody was going to stop him,
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like the old Soviet playbook, and guess what they were surprised.
I think the Ukrainians really, really really don't want to
be part of Russia, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Well, Alex, you're right Ukrainians, most Ukrainians don't want to
be part of Russia. Dead on, we don't know exactly
what Putin's endgame is. I think you're right. He wants
to force Ukraine back into Russia's sphere of influence militarily,
how much can he actually conquer. Look, they've lost a
lot of Russian soldiers now, I mean they are taking
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a beating. Yes, Ukraine is being pounded into rubble, but
the Russians have lost a lot. They have a real
bloody nose. And even now this so called vaunted Summer offensive,
they're moving at a glacial pace with heavy casualties. So
the question is if the Russian military can barely take
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over the Dawn Bass, how do they pose a threat
to all of Europe? And you know you mentioned Budapest
nineteen fifty six, Prague nineteen sixty eight. Yeah, that was
the old Soviet Union, the old communist empire. Russia is
not the old Communist empire. It's much smaller, it's much weaker.
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Putin is not a communist. He's a former communist, but
he's no longer a communist. And you know, Alex, this
is the problem I have with this argument. Today, Ukraine, tomorrow,
all of Europe. Number one. He can barely take twenty
percent of Ukraine, So how is he going to take
all of Europe? Poland themselves will smash him the polls.
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He will not get by the polls. Plus, we have
a military com and he knows that the Poland and
to the Baltic States, so we're going to be he knows.
The moment he touches an inch of Polish soil, he's
at war with America. Putin's not a madman, He's not.
I mean, I know he's trying to be portrayed as one,
but he's not. So let's say his ultimate goal is Ukraine,
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all of it. Just for the sake of argument, how
is that in our national interest that we should risk
a potential World War three with Russia.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Yeah? I think you make excellent points. But I still
think if we hadn't sent stuff over there pretty quickly,
I think he would have rolled over Ukraine pretty fast.
I don't think Ukraine has much of a chance. Although
they are very dedicated, like the Afghans, I mean, they
really want to push back.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
They don't want to.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
They do not want to succumb to Russian dominance. You
know what's kind of sad is back in the nineties
when the Civic Union broke up, Ukraine had nukes and
America said, no, you don't need to get deep. Whynd
of the nukes?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
And we got your bingo bingo. You nailed it. That
was the original sin. You're absolutely correct, Alex and I
remember at the time, I told all my Ukrainian friends,
you are going to rue the day You're going to
rue the day you gave up your nuclear weapons, because
you're right, had Ukraine captain nukes? Six one seven two six, six,
sixty eight sixty eight is the number, just super quick
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because the lines are blazing. I could give you the
blow by blows of the numbers, the casualties, the deaths,
and again it's it's still inaccurate because you know, both
sides lie in a war, so you don't know exactly
what the real figures are, but I can give you approximations.
What I can just tell you is this okay without
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getting into the weeds, Yes, Ukrainians have lost a lot
of lives, civilians, military, no question, no question. But the
Shin Army has taken massive amounts of casualties. I mean,
some of these numbers are staggerant both sides. You're looking
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now at a million dead, maimed or wounded, and the
Russian casualty rate for their military. It is going to
take them a decade to recover. So even after this war,
if it finally ends, say in the next I don't know,
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six months or three months or whatever it is, say
the summer offensive succeeds, just for the sake of argument,
they break the Ukrainian lines in the east, they drive
towards Kiev. Zelenski now has to sue for a peace deal,
because remember, Zelensky says, no concessions. He's not going to
give up an inch of Crimea, an inch of eastern Ukraine,
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what's called a dawn Bass. He's not going to give
up anything. And he's still wants Ukraine and NATO. So
in other words, he's not willing to give any concessions.
So Putin is trying to force a peace settlement in
which Zolensky sues for peace. In other words, win this
not at the diplomatic table, but win it at the
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at the military On the battlefield on the you know,
and and through militarily, through a military or through a
military victory. Now, if Zolensky sees that the Russians are
now driving towards Ukraine, tor towards forgive me, driving towards Kiev,
then he will have to sue for peace or he's
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going to see Kiev turn, you know, reduced to rubble,
which is the one thing he doesn't want and most
Ukrainians don't want. It is the crown jewel of Ukraine.
So Putin now wants a military strategic victory that he
thinks he can get that will force Ukraine to concede
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everything that Russia wants. If Zolensky sees Russian tanks and
Russian soldiers pouring towards the key of the capital and
encircling Kiev, a his government may fall. There may be
a replacement government, one much more friendly to Russia, Putin
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and Moscow, and basically the cause will be lost. Zelensky
may then sue for peace, which is ultimately I think
what Putin wants.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
If it comes to that, just play out the scenario.
The notion that the Russian military, after the beating it
has taken over the last three years. And I don't
just mean the destruction of their tanks, their infantry. I'm
talking about the loss of Russian lives, Russian military soldiers.
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It is going to take a decade for them to
replenish themselves. Now, the strategic calculus, just to understand, this
is not a hail Mary by Trump. What he does
get very clearly is there is one factor that is
working against Vladimir Putin, and that essentially is time. The
Russian war economy. It's on a full footing. He has
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put Russia on a full military war footing. The factories
are working literally twenty four hours a day, turning out shells,
turning out missiles, turning out tanks, turning out bombs, turning
out airplanes, you name it, drones. I mean the whole country.
It's on a war footing. What happens is when you
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have a war economy, it leads to very high inflation,
very high interest rates. The Russian economy now is starting
to fray. Inflation is now over twenty percent, twenty percent.
Interest rates are above twenty percent. You literally have some
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of the most important vital businesses they're loyal to Putin,
but these owners are saying, look, we love you, man,
and it's not that we don't back the war effort,
but we're gonna go under with twenty two, twenty three,
twenty five percent interest rates. And you've got the Russian
people saying, look, we can't sustain twenty percent inflation. Groceries
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are too expensive, gas is too expensive, cost of living
is way too expensive. So he's got a problem. Eventually,
his economy is gonna melt down, it's gonna collapse, and
he knows that. So in a way, he's taking a
very high stakes gamble. His generals are guaranteeing him a victory.
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We shall see. But that's why he's now poured in
over fifty third troops and they are throwing everything but
the kitchen sink right now at the Ukrainian front lines
and at key strategic cities all across the country. What
Trump is hoping is that by keeping Ukraine afloat for
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another three to six months, that this will take all
the air out of the Russian military, that their offensive
will stall, more Russians will die, the body count will
get even higher, and now Putin's going to be facing
a war economy that is on the verge of collapse,
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and so maybe then military economic exhaustion will force Putin
back to the diplomatic table, and and Trump is hoping
finally he'll be ready for peace. Zelenski will have taken
a lot more in terms of casualties, so they may
be exhausted as well and hold fully. In six months,
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both sides will be serious and hammer out an agreement.
That's Trump's calculation. Whether that happens we shall see six
one seven two, six six, sixty eight, sixty eight. But
I've essentially now laid out Trump's military strategy and his
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strategic thinking on his decision now to reverse himself and
now start arming Ukraine with defensive weapons. Dan in New Hampshire,
Thanks for holding, Dan, and welcome.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
Thanks a lot for taking the call.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
Jeff, my pleasure.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
Dan. I always agree with you, but I have to
I have to take a disagreement. First off, I'd like
to say, do you trust Trump in his decision making?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Well, generally you, but I don't think he's you know,
I don't think he's Jesus. I don't think he's infallible.
I think people make mistakes.
Speaker 8 (24:01):
I think you're right, But for the most part he's
been pretty damn precise, and he's got instincts, and as
far as I'm concerned, he's done enough right for this
country to deserve my trust and my confidence, unlike Biden,
because I thought Biden was basically out to lunch mentally,
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Now I'm thinking hypothetically. And now tell me what you think.
What if Trump said, look, as a defensive measure, you know,
we've already got nukes already over in Ukraine, and you know,
quite honestly, you know they're not going to be used aggressively.
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They are strictly as defense. Now, we mentioned a little
bit earlier in the conversation that he would have never
invaded Ukraine if they had the nukes that they had before.
So basically, what you do is you empower the Ukraine
back to that original situation where there's just too much
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for Putin to lose. Right now, it's a blood bath.
Both of them want a blood bath. That it's the hatred,
It's really what it is. It's the hatred, and they're
not going to be satisfied until they get their pound
of blood or their gallon of blood. However, if Trump
played the situation says, look, you know we're going to
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fortify them. We're going to you know, they're going to
have nuclear capability, and we're also going to be looking
for a regime change. We don't want selen Ski in there,
we want somebody else in there, and basically give them
something to think about and say, hey, look, Trump, Trump
is meaningful about this. He's willing to go that far
to stop this war. And what happens, you know, when
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you think about it, if the Ukraine falls, then they're
right up against all the other NATO nations and basically
they've got the wolf at the door. I mean, it's
a two bladed situation where you have you know, Russia
didn't want NATO right up against its borders, but it's
willing to become up against the other guy's border if
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they take over the country. So the bottom line is
is that we have made NATO pay five percent. They expect,
you know, protection from US, and they'll get it. But
I think it's peace through strength. I think that that's
the way of the world. I think that if comp said, look, hey,
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we're gonna float some nukes over there, you don't even
know if we've already got them over there. But you
know something, this is going to end, and that was
what would be. That would be the ending of it,
because neither of them would want a nuclear war. It's
all in your backyard. And bottom line is it was
scared the hell out of both of them and everyone around,
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and they'd all sit there and say, what are we
going to do now? Are we going to get nuked?
Or are we going to continue this war? So the
bottom line is is I think Trump knows a hell
of a lot more than what you or I know.
He knows the scene, been behind the scenes, and I
think that I trust him for his previous decisions. I've
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agreed with most everything that he's done. I think that
he's a great leader and that we should not lose
confidence in him. Now as far as Epstein is concerned,
I'm not going to go along because I know that
you can't talk too long. That's a little fishy to me.
I don't particularly like it, but you've got to know,
you've got to peel the avocado look into that and say, well,
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maybe Chief maybe Roberts, the Supreme Court, justin might be involved.
Maybe Trump, with so many important people who don't want
to be known, maybe he's leveraging them and quite honestly,
you know, playing a good hand of poker with the
people that have done things wrong but not necessarily against him,
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could possibly be an ally if he just didn't unroll
things and let them be exposed. Granted, what they've done
is terrible, but you know, politics is ugly, it's dirty,
it's mean, it's everything, and you've got to be able
to play dirty when you're in a fight, and that's
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basically what it is.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Jeff Well, Dan look again, always very intelligent, call very
well reasoned, very logical. I disagree on both counts. Number
one to me, you don't play poker with a child
rapist or someone who protects child rapists. You arrest them,
you unmask them, you expose them, and you are rest them.
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And I don't care if it's Chief Justice John Roberts,
I don't care. If it's Barack Hussein Obama, I don't care.
If it's Bill Clinton, I don't care, if it's Bill Gates,
I don't care. And these are the people that are
let's put it this way, and it's more than rumored,
but I'm just gonna say rumored. I'm telling you they're
on that list. Okay, they're on that list. And others
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who are on that client list. So no, to me.
You arrest these people and you tell the American people
the truth. You don't coddle them, you don't protect them,
you don't let them escape justice for many reasons. Number one,
because you're betraying the victims, and more importantly, you're betraying
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the American people and our constitutional republic. So I think
this decision on Epstein is gonna haunt Trump. I think
it's a bad decision, and the way he did it
in particular, I think it made it even worse. Now,
as for Ukraine, I don't believe in blind faith. I
never have. I don't believe in blind faith for any person.
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I love Trump. I voted for him three times. I've
agreed with ninety nine percent of his presidency. But I
think on Epstein and on Ukraine, he's making a fatal miscalculation.
And I don't understand what has changed. Nothing objectively has
changed except that Russia is now increasingly winning the war.
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Civilians are being slaughtered before. Nothing has changed, So why now,
why all of a sudden now Here's what's going to happen.
And this is my fear, But it's pretty obvious He's
going to send them to defensive weapons. Zelensky is going
to be Zelenski. A lot of it is going to
get stolen. Some will get to the front lines, much
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of it will get stolen. It's not going to be
enough to prevent a Russian victory. Russia has won the war.
They've won the war. The question now is how. And
this to me, the problem now is no longer in Moscow.
The problem now is in Kiev. The problem now is
in the capital of Ukraine. Zelensky refuses to accept reality.
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Now you can either take eighteen to twenty percent of
your country being lost, which, to be fair, Eastern Ukraine,
the Don Bass Crimea has historically been Russian. It has
been part of the Russian Empire, the borderlands of the
Russian Empire for centuries. Many of them in that part
of Ukraine consider themselves either ethnically Russian, they're Russian speaking,
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they have a lot of attachment to Russia. So yes,
there's a lot of opposition to Russia in Ukraine. But
it's not in eastern Ukraine. It's in central and especially
western Ukraine. That's where that's the cradle of Ukrainian nationalism.
So what I'm saying is that Putin has now absorbed it.
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They've already essentially annexed it. It is now as essentially
now Russia. It's Russian. So we're going to prolong this fighting,
and there's going to be more dying and more Ukrainian
mothers and more Russian mothers are going to be grieving
their dead sons. And in the end for what, so
that the Russians can continue to win the war. Now
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you mentioned, well, let's throw in nuclear weapons. I'm telling
you even Trump is not suggesting that. He's not even
suggesting sending them offensive weapons, those long range missiles that
can hit you know, Moscow or Saint Petersburg or Russian
military bases deep inside Russia. Why because he fears that, Look,
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Russia has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, you
start introducing dangerous offensive weapons, especially nuclear weapons. Putin is
not the Ayatola. Putin doesn't play around, you know, say
what you want about Putin, and I don't like him,
and if I was living in Russia, I'd never vote
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for him. But the fact of the matter is when
he says he's going to do something, he does it
every time. He's when he makes a threat, he follows
through on that threat. He has said repeatedly I don't
want NATO Ukraine in NATO. Why because then NATO can
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introduce nuclear weapons, nuclear missiles literally fifteen minutes from Moscow,
and that is a threat I cannot and will not accept,
and no Russian leader would accept it, just like we
didn't accept the Soviets when they put missiles in Cuba,
ninety miles away from Florida. It was a redline and
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Kennedy was willing to risk World War III, a nuclear
war to stop it. Putin is the same. So if
we introduce nuclear weapons into Ukraine, I'm telling you you're
guaranteeing us world War IIIE. The Russians will respond with
everything that they have, including god forbid, nuclear way weapons.
And so the question we have to ask ourselves is
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is Ukraine worth World War three? And to me the
answer is no. And the folly that I'm seeing among
our elites, I'm telling you as an historian, and it's
the same thinking. I have confidence in the Kaiser, I
have confidence in the British Prime Minister, I have confidence
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in the Russians. Are is the same kind of the
thinking I'm seeing now, trust our guy, no matter what
he's our guy. Trust them, trust them, trust them, trust him.
And I'm sorry, I don't trust any man, even a
great president like Trump. Great men also make mistakes. Sometimes
they even make great mistakes or huge mistakes. And you know,
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you talk about well, you know, Russia can be in
now on NATO's border. They're already on NATO's border, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania,
they're on Russia's border, They're part of NATO. Poland already
has a small slice of his border tied to Bela, Russia,
and a little bit of Russia. So what I'm saying
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is we're already there. It's not the end of the world.
The sky's not gonna fall. So this boogeyman of Pultin,
it's always the same garbage. He's Hitler, he's Hitler, he's Hitler,
He's not Hitler. He has no designs on Poland, he
has no designs on Germany or France or Italy. And
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you can tell because the Europeans aren't serious about their defense.
If they really felt threatened by them, they'd be arming
themselves to the teeth right now. They're not. So that
tells you it's all just propaganda and talking points to
justify this endless war. Now, I'm sorry. One hundred and
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seventy five billion dollars, that's just what they got from US.
People forget this the EU. Say what you want about
the Europeans. They've given Ukraine another one hundred In fact,
I think they've given them two hundred billion. So combined,
the Ukraine has gotten in the last three years four
hundred billion dollars, both in money and weapons. With four
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hundred billion, they should have taken Moscow four hundred billion.
And by the way, they're getting much better weaponry than
the Russians have. The Russians it's second grade stuff. We're
giving them the best American weapons, the best German weapons,
the best British weapons, the best French weapons. They're getting
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Western weaponry. And so you have to ask yourself, where
did the four hundred billion dollars go? Again, we give
a fraction of this to Israel. Look at what a
military colossus Israel is because they don't steal the money
or they don't sell the military hardware on the international
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black market. That's what the Ukrainians have been doing. So
I'm sorry if the Ukrainians are going to keep swindling
US and the Europeans.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
Enough is enough.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
You had your four hundred billion, you blew it. You
stole most of it. Now deal with Vladimir Putin.
Cleaning up the liberal bull. Okay, it's you know seven
nineteen seven, twenty ish Wednesday. You know what that means.
Truth or troll. Take it away, Mike.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
And now America's favorite game show where you get to
decide on the Kooner Report.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
This is truth or Tall.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Today's entry for truth control comes from President Trump speaking
in the Cabinet meeting yesterday, when he floats the idea
of taking over the Washington DC government and federalizing it.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
We have tremendous power at the White House to run
places when we have to. We could run DC. I mean,
we're we're looking at DC. We don't want crime in DC.
We want the city to run well. Susie Wills is
working very closely with the mayor and they're doing all right.
I mean in the sense that we would we would
run it so good, it would be run so proper.
(01:03):
We'd get that best person to run it, and we
run who. The crime would be down to a minimum,
would be much less. And you know, we're thinking about
doing it. To be honest with you, we want to.
We want a capital that's run flawlessly, and it wouldn't
be hard for us to do it.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Taking over the DC government. Jeff, So what do you
think is he serious or is he just trolling mayor
bows or of DC and just telling her essentially get
your crap together.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, I think you're I think she's trolling. I think
you nailed at Mike. He's going to the mayor in
Washington and saying, look, either you clean up Washington, d C,
or we will.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
In other words, he's not gonna do it, but he's
sending a shot across her bow. Uh, And he is
trolling her. He's trolling her hard. And he's right the
troller because DC's a mess. Really, it's like a it's
like a third world hellhole. It's embarrassing. It's the nation's capital.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Mike.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You go there, homeless people everywhere, crime everywhere, garbage everywhere.
Really you feel like, is this the United States of America?
So you know anyway, So, no, he's not going to
federalize it. He understands there'll be so much blowback. But
he's trying to give him a kick in the rear end.
So I would say troll on this, Mike. But let
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me ask the audience, is it truth or is it troll?
When Trump says he's thinking about federalizing Washington, DC essentrally
taking over. You have Congress and the federal government take
over the running of the government of DC. Is it
a truth he's going to do it, he's dead serious,
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or B he's trolling the mayor mayor Bowser basically, get
your act together. A or B truth or troll. I
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in Maryland. Thanks for holding Barbara, and.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Welcome, good morning, and thank you for taking my calls.
I'm so confused. I'm so confused when I hear Trump
is hemorrhaging support, Lucy hemorrhaging support from people tend to
forget Donald Trump. Lindsey Graham's not orchestrating anything. As for Epstein,
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if I talk about that at all, it will certainly
be last. But what's happening in Ukraine? President Trump? Our
weapons are low, we may not have enough case we
are attacked. Does this remind people of a little while ago,
(04:07):
when President Trump told Iran they had two weeks, they
had two weeks, and then within two days that nuclear
plant was obliterated two days. Now, our weapons are low.
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We are not sending enough to win, but enough to
keep it going. Mensy Graham's getting his pound of flesh.
Do you really think that's what's happening? Do you really
think that's what Donald Trump is doing with raising Kine
as his general directing this war. I don't believe it.
(04:50):
He's not hemorrhaging support, not from the people to count
And I'm telling you what I think what's gonna to
happen right now. Putin betrayed President Trump betrayed his trust.
And some of your callers said, well, he shouldn't have
even dealt with and Putin is using him, like uh uh.
(05:12):
I don't believe that Putin betrayed his trust because President
Trump genuinely wants peace. I mean, I look at what
he's done everywhere else he's been. He and when Putin
started bombing civilians here recently, I mean he really got vicious. Yes,
he did. Any weapons going to Ukraine. Right now, it's
(05:39):
gonna end it. This is no long protraction. Uh uh
that's not how President Trump operates. Not only that Putin
betrayed him when he trusted him as a leader. So
you know every yeah, well Putin said this, and yeah,
he is what he is, but this may end him
for just gonna hold my cards and see how that
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plays out. Because raising Kane is the general. President Trump
is the president and he doesn't play chess, and that's
just how I feel about it. I support him to
the end. As Epstein, I'm gonna hold my cards on
that until I see what they do with Jesslene Maxwell.
(06:22):
Jslee Maxwell has been sentenced to twenty years in jail.
This woman's been in jail, she's been locked up or
on home monitor or whatever. So now there's no crime,
what are you gonna do with her? Is she gonna
disappear or something? I don't think so. I think everybody's
gonna get what they what we're looking for, what the
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list of names. But when we get it, it's gonna
be at a time when the government can collapse because
the name's on that list. If there is a list,
and I'm still holding up you know, whether he made
a list or was you know, in his whatever. We
need to be on stable ground completely in this country,
(07:07):
because I think that list is going to take a
lot of folks down, if there is one, and this
is just not the time for it. What happened happened.
I'm sad about it. Yes it shouldn't have happened, but
I want to see I'll just that's how you know. Hey.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Interesting, So you're saying, look, trust in the president. He
knows what he's doing, he's a closer. And uh, you're
gonna reserve judgment, as you said, you're gonna keep your cards.
You're gonna hold your cards. Give him time on Ukraine,
and give him time on Epstein, and people are going
to be surprised at the results. Interesting, very interesting, Barbara,
(07:45):
as always, thank you very much for that call. So
Barbara says, trust in Trump? What say you agree? Disagree?
Six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight
is the number. Okay, So we're going to come back,
take all of your calls. Don't touch that dial. Six
(08:09):
one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight is
the number. Okay. Listen now to President Trump. He now
does a one hundred and eighty degree U turn on
sending weapons to Ukraine. Listen now to him, and to
be fair to the President, you know, I disagree with
your decision, but to be fair, the facts on the
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ground are now changing. Russia is involved in a massive campaign.
Ain't offensive a summer offensive. They are taking over villages,
They are pushing on key strategic areas. Ukrainians now are dying.
Many civilians are being pounded in major cities like Kiev
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and other cities through missile and drone attacks. And the
Ukrainian military now is buck There is no question they're
on the ropes. They need weapons. They need weapons now.
Listen to President Trump saying asked about this temporary pause
by ordered by the Pentagon last week in which they
(09:15):
reviewed all weapons being sent abroad, in which the Pentagon
came out with a statement saying, we are solo ourselves
in terms of our stockpile, our inventories. We don't recommend
sending any more weapons to anybody. We don't have enough
patriot missiles to defend our country. We don't have enough
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artillery shells, we don't have enough missiles. We have sent
so much that basically now our inventory is almost completely depleted.
So he was asked about that the pause, and listen
to his response roll cut to c This was yesterday
at the Cabinet meeting by Caitlin Collins of CNN, cut
(10:00):
to see mikesis to Ukraine.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
As you said last night, last week, the Pentagon paused
some shipments of weapons to Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Did you approve of that loss?
Speaker 7 (10:11):
We wanted to put defensive weapons because Putin he's not
treating human beings right, He's killing too many people. So
we're sending some defensive weapons to Ukraine.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
And I've approved then.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
So who are the pause last week?
Speaker 7 (10:26):
I don't know what. Don't you tell me?
Speaker 6 (10:29):
You think that's a question.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So he's going to send defensive weapons apparently now with
the administration is telling the media it is going to
be a multi billion dollar package. They've already under Biden
they sent three Patriot missile systems. Trump now wants to
send another Patriot missile system interceptors. These are missiles that
intercept either incoming missiles or drones or whatever from the sky.
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He also wants to send more drones to Ukraine, more
artillery shells, short range mid range missiles, hell fire missiles.
He wants to level the military playing field, the battlefield,
and he says if it's not now it will be
too late for Ukraine if we wait any longer. Agree, disagree?
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Alex in Cambridge, Thanks for holding Alex and welcome.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Thanks for taking me my call. Yeah, it's very interesting discussion.
One of your callers talked about the real politic of Putin.
I totally agree that. I think Putin is all about
real politic, and let's don't forget in twenty fourteen inter
CRIMEA and then it was peace, there was no activity,
and then he came back for more. So I think
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Trump is finally waking up to the fact that Putin
is no good. He can't be trusted. He's got an agenda,
and that's to take over the old territory of Ukraine
at used to belong to Russia. Wants it back, and
he's not going to stop till he gets it back.
And I think there's no question about it. He's not
going to make peace until he gets all of Ukraine
under his thumb. And that means Olenski's going to go,
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and they're going to get in somebody there that they
can manage where they did it in the old Soviet days,
and then they're going to move on. You know, we
know now that NATO doesn't really have anything. You think
we're depleted. They don't even have armies. I mean, they've
been under our nuclear umbrella since the nineteen sixties and
there's no way they can defend themselves against Russia without US.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
No way.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
So that maybe in thirty years they'll have a military again,
but it's going to take them a long time to
build up. And I don't think that it's news about
America running low on munitions. I mean that was in
the paper last year, and they're starting to ramp up
production around the country. That's been an ongoing issue because
we have been given everything away. But I think I
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personally think Trump is doing the right thing. I think
I think he is moving in the right direction. Putin
is not a trustworthy person. It may be very charming
but to some people, but look look at what they
did back in fifty six they rolled through Budapest, and
sixty eight they roll through Prague. They were going to
do in Kiev in twenty twenty two, They're just going
to roll through and nobody was going to stop him,
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like the old Soviet playbook, and guess what they were surprised.
I think the Ukrainians really, really really don't want to
be part of Russia, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Well, Alex, you're right Ukrainians, most Ukrainians don't want to
be part of Russia. Dead on, we don't know exactly
what Putin's endgame is. I think you're right. He wants
to force Ukraine back into Russia's sphere of influence militarily,
how much can he actually conquer. Look, they've lost a
lot of Russian soldiers now, I mean they are taking
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a beating. Yes, Ukraine is being pounded into rubble, but
the Russians have lost a lot. They have a real
bloody nose. And even now this so called vaunted Summer offensive,
they're moving at a glacial pace with heavy casualties. So
the question is if the Russian military can barely take
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over the Dawn Bass, how do they pose a threat
to all of Europe? And you know you mentioned Budapest
nineteen fifty six, Prague nineteen sixty eight. Yeah, that was
the old Soviet Union, the old communist empire. Russia is
not the old Communist empire. It's much smaller, it's much weaker.
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Putin is not a communist. He's a former communist, but
he's no longer a communist. And you know, Alex, this
is the problem I have with this argument. Today, Ukraine, tomorrow,
all of Europe. Number one. He can barely take twenty
percent of Ukraine, So how is he going to take
all of Europe? Poland themselves will smash him the polls.
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He will not get by the polls. Plus, we have
a military com and he knows that the Poland and
to the Baltic States, so we're going to be he knows.
The moment he touches an inch of Polish soil, he's
at war with America. Putin's not a madman, He's not.
I mean, I know he's trying to be portrayed as one,
but he's not. So let's say his ultimate goal is Ukraine,
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all of it. Just for the sake of argument, how
is that in our national interest that we should risk
a potential World War three with Russia.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Yeah? I think you make excellent points. But I still
think if we hadn't sent stuff over there pretty quickly,
I think he would have rolled over Ukraine pretty fast.
I don't think Ukraine has much of a chance. Although
they are very dedicated, like the Afghans, I mean, they
really want to push back.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
They don't want to.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
They do not want to succumb to Russian dominance. You
know what's kind of sad is back in the nineties
when the Civic Union broke up, Ukraine had nukes and
America said, no, you don't need to get deep. Whynd
of the nukes?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
And we got your bingo bingo. You nailed it. That
was the original sin. You're absolutely correct, Alex and I
remember at the time, I told all my Ukrainian friends,
you are going to rue the day You're going to
rue the day you gave up your nuclear weapons, because
you're right, had Ukraine captain nukes? Six one seven two six, six,
sixty eight sixty eight is the number, just super quick
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because the lines are blazing. I could give you the
blow by blows of the numbers, the casualties, the deaths,
and again it's it's still inaccurate because you know, both
sides lie in a war, so you don't know exactly
what the real figures are, but I can give you approximations.
What I can just tell you is this okay without
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getting into the weeds, Yes, Ukrainians have lost a lot
of lives, civilians, military, no question, no question. But the
Shin Army has taken massive amounts of casualties. I mean,
some of these numbers are staggerant both sides. You're looking
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now at a million dead, maimed or wounded, and the
Russian casualty rate for their military. It is going to
take them a decade to recover. So even after this war,
if it finally ends, say in the next I don't know,
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six months or three months or whatever it is, say
the summer offensive succeeds, just for the sake of argument,
they break the Ukrainian lines in the east, they drive
towards Kiev. Zelenski now has to sue for a peace deal,
because remember, Zelensky says, no concessions. He's not going to
give up an inch of Crimea, an inch of eastern Ukraine,
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what's called a dawn Bass. He's not going to give
up anything. And he's still wants Ukraine and NATO. So
in other words, he's not willing to give any concessions.
So Putin is trying to force a peace settlement in
which Zolensky sues for peace. In other words, win this
not at the diplomatic table, but win it at the
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at the military On the battlefield on the you know,
and and through militarily, through a military or through a
military victory. Now, if Zolensky sees that the Russians are
now driving towards Ukraine, tor towards forgive me, driving towards Kiev,
then he will have to sue for peace or he's
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going to see Kiev turn, you know, reduced to rubble,
which is the one thing he doesn't want and most
Ukrainians don't want. It is the crown jewel of Ukraine.
So Putin now wants a military strategic victory that he
thinks he can get that will force Ukraine to concede
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everything that Russia wants. If Zolensky sees Russian tanks and
Russian soldiers pouring towards the key of the capital and
encircling Kiev, a his government may fall. There may be
a replacement government, one much more friendly to Russia, Putin
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and Moscow, and basically the cause will be lost. Zelensky
may then sue for peace, which is ultimately I think
what Putin wants.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
If it comes to that, just play out the scenario.
The notion that the Russian military, after the beating it
has taken over the last three years. And I don't
just mean the destruction of their tanks, their infantry. I'm
talking about the loss of Russian lives, Russian military soldiers.
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It is going to take a decade for them to
replenish themselves. Now, the strategic calculus, just to understand, this
is not a hail Mary by Trump. What he does
get very clearly is there is one factor that is
working against Vladimir Putin, and that essentially is time. The
Russian war economy. It's on a full footing. He has
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put Russia on a full military war footing. The factories
are working literally twenty four hours a day, turning out shells,
turning out missiles, turning out tanks, turning out bombs, turning
out airplanes, you name it, drones. I mean the whole country.
It's on a war footing. What happens is when you
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have a war economy, it leads to very high inflation,
very high interest rates. The Russian economy now is starting
to fray. Inflation is now over twenty percent, twenty percent.
Interest rates are above twenty percent. You literally have some
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of the most important vital businesses they're loyal to Putin,
but these owners are saying, look, we love you, man,
and it's not that we don't back the war effort,
but we're gonna go under with twenty two, twenty three,
twenty five percent interest rates. And you've got the Russian
people saying, look, we can't sustain twenty percent inflation. Groceries
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are too expensive, gas is too expensive, cost of living
is way too expensive. So he's got a problem. Eventually,
his economy is gonna melt down, it's gonna collapse, and
he knows that. So in a way, he's taking a
very high stakes gamble. His generals are guaranteeing him a victory.
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We shall see. But that's why he's now poured in
over fifty third troops and they are throwing everything but
the kitchen sink right now at the Ukrainian front lines
and at key strategic cities all across the country. What
Trump is hoping is that by keeping Ukraine afloat for
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another three to six months, that this will take all
the air out of the Russian military, that their offensive
will stall, more Russians will die, the body count will
get even higher, and now Putin's going to be facing
a war economy that is on the verge of collapse,
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and so maybe then military economic exhaustion will force Putin
back to the diplomatic table, and and Trump is hoping
finally he'll be ready for peace. Zelenski will have taken
a lot more in terms of casualties, so they may
be exhausted as well and hold fully. In six months,
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both sides will be serious and hammer out an agreement.
That's Trump's calculation. Whether that happens we shall see six
one seven two, six six, sixty eight, sixty eight. But
I've essentially now laid out Trump's military strategy and his
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strategic thinking on his decision now to reverse himself and
now start arming Ukraine with defensive weapons. Dan in New Hampshire,
Thanks for holding, Dan, and welcome.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
Thanks a lot for taking the call.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
Jeff, my pleasure.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
Dan. I always agree with you, but I have to
I have to take a disagreement. First off, I'd like
to say, do you trust Trump in his decision making?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Well, generally you, but I don't think he's you know,
I don't think he's Jesus. I don't think he's infallible.
I think people make mistakes.
Speaker 8 (24:01):
I think you're right, But for the most part he's
been pretty damn precise, and he's got instincts, and as
far as I'm concerned, he's done enough right for this
country to deserve my trust and my confidence, unlike Biden,
because I thought Biden was basically out to lunch mentally,
(24:23):
Now I'm thinking hypothetically. And now tell me what you think.
What if Trump said, look, as a defensive measure, you know,
we've already got nukes already over in Ukraine, and you know,
quite honestly, you know they're not going to be used aggressively.
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They are strictly as defense. Now, we mentioned a little
bit earlier in the conversation that he would have never
invaded Ukraine if they had the nukes that they had before.
So basically, what you do is you empower the Ukraine
back to that original situation where there's just too much
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for Putin to lose. Right now, it's a blood bath.
Both of them want a blood bath. That it's the hatred,
It's really what it is. It's the hatred, and they're
not going to be satisfied until they get their pound
of blood or their gallon of blood. However, if Trump
played the situation says, look, you know we're going to
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fortify them. We're going to you know, they're going to
have nuclear capability, and we're also going to be looking
for a regime change. We don't want selen Ski in there,
we want somebody else in there, and basically give them
something to think about and say, hey, look, Trump, Trump
is meaningful about this. He's willing to go that far
to stop this war. And what happens, you know, when
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you think about it, if the Ukraine falls, then they're
right up against all the other NATO nations and basically
they've got the wolf at the door. I mean, it's
a two bladed situation where you have you know, Russia
didn't want NATO right up against its borders, but it's
willing to become up against the other guy's border if
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they take over the country. So the bottom line is
is that we have made NATO pay five percent. They expect,
you know, protection from US, and they'll get it. But
I think it's peace through strength. I think that that's
the way of the world. I think that if comp said, look, hey,
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we're gonna float some nukes over there, you don't even
know if we've already got them over there. But you
know something, this is going to end, and that was
what would be. That would be the ending of it,
because neither of them would want a nuclear war. It's
all in your backyard. And bottom line is it was
scared the hell out of both of them and everyone around,
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and they'd all sit there and say, what are we
going to do now? Are we going to get nuked?
Or are we going to continue this war? So the
bottom line is is I think Trump knows a hell
of a lot more than what you or I know.
He knows the scene, been behind the scenes, and I
think that I trust him for his previous decisions. I've
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agreed with most everything that he's done. I think that
he's a great leader and that we should not lose
confidence in him. Now as far as Epstein is concerned,
I'm not going to go along because I know that
you can't talk too long. That's a little fishy to me.
I don't particularly like it, but you've got to know,
you've got to peel the avocado look into that and say, well,
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maybe Chief maybe Roberts, the Supreme Court, justin might be involved.
Maybe Trump, with so many important people who don't want
to be known, maybe he's leveraging them and quite honestly,
you know, playing a good hand of poker with the
people that have done things wrong but not necessarily against him,
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could possibly be an ally if he just didn't unroll
things and let them be exposed. Granted, what they've done
is terrible, but you know, politics is ugly, it's dirty,
it's mean, it's everything, and you've got to be able
to play dirty when you're in a fight, and that's
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basically what it is.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Jeff Well, Dan look again, always very intelligent, call very
well reasoned, very logical. I disagree on both counts. Number
one to me, you don't play poker with a child
rapist or someone who protects child rapists. You arrest them,
you unmask them, you expose them, and you are rest them.
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And I don't care if it's Chief Justice John Roberts,
I don't care. If it's Barack Hussein Obama, I don't care.
If it's Bill Clinton, I don't care, if it's Bill Gates,
I don't care. And these are the people that are
let's put it this way, and it's more than rumored,
but I'm just gonna say rumored. I'm telling you they're
on that list. Okay, they're on that list. And others
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who are on that client list. So no, to me.
You arrest these people and you tell the American people
the truth. You don't coddle them, you don't protect them,
you don't let them escape justice for many reasons. Number one,
because you're betraying the victims, and more importantly, you're betraying
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the American people and our constitutional republic. So I think
this decision on Epstein is gonna haunt Trump. I think
it's a bad decision, and the way he did it
in particular, I think it made it even worse. Now,
as for Ukraine, I don't believe in blind faith. I
never have. I don't believe in blind faith for any person.
(30:03):
I love Trump. I voted for him three times. I've
agreed with ninety nine percent of his presidency. But I
think on Epstein and on Ukraine, he's making a fatal miscalculation.
And I don't understand what has changed. Nothing objectively has
changed except that Russia is now increasingly winning the war.
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Civilians are being slaughtered before. Nothing has changed, So why now,
why all of a sudden now Here's what's going to happen.
And this is my fear, But it's pretty obvious He's
going to send them to defensive weapons. Zelensky is going
to be Zelenski. A lot of it is going to
get stolen. Some will get to the front lines, much
(30:46):
of it will get stolen. It's not going to be
enough to prevent a Russian victory. Russia has won the war.
They've won the war. The question now is how. And
this to me, the problem now is no longer in Moscow.
The problem now is in Kiev. The problem now is
in the capital of Ukraine. Zelensky refuses to accept reality.
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Now you can either take eighteen to twenty percent of
your country being lost, which, to be fair, Eastern Ukraine,
the Don Bass Crimea has historically been Russian. It has
been part of the Russian Empire, the borderlands of the
Russian Empire for centuries. Many of them in that part
of Ukraine consider themselves either ethnically Russian, they're Russian speaking,
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they have a lot of attachment to Russia. So yes,
there's a lot of opposition to Russia in Ukraine. But
it's not in eastern Ukraine. It's in central and especially
western Ukraine. That's where that's the cradle of Ukrainian nationalism.
So what I'm saying is that Putin has now absorbed it.
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They've already essentially annexed it. It is now as essentially
now Russia. It's Russian. So we're going to prolong this fighting,
and there's going to be more dying and more Ukrainian
mothers and more Russian mothers are going to be grieving
their dead sons. And in the end for what, so
that the Russians can continue to win the war. Now
(32:19):
you mentioned, well, let's throw in nuclear weapons. I'm telling
you even Trump is not suggesting that. He's not even
suggesting sending them offensive weapons, those long range missiles that
can hit you know, Moscow or Saint Petersburg or Russian
military bases deep inside Russia. Why because he fears that, Look,
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Russia has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, you
start introducing dangerous offensive weapons, especially nuclear weapons. Putin is
not the Ayatola. Putin doesn't play around, you know, say
what you want about Putin, and I don't like him,
and if I was living in Russia, I'd never vote
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for him. But the fact of the matter is when
he says he's going to do something, he does it
every time. He's when he makes a threat, he follows
through on that threat. He has said repeatedly I don't
want NATO Ukraine in NATO. Why because then NATO can
(33:21):
introduce nuclear weapons, nuclear missiles literally fifteen minutes from Moscow,
and that is a threat I cannot and will not accept,
and no Russian leader would accept it, just like we
didn't accept the Soviets when they put missiles in Cuba,
ninety miles away from Florida. It was a redline and
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Kennedy was willing to risk World War III, a nuclear
war to stop it. Putin is the same. So if
we introduce nuclear weapons into Ukraine, I'm telling you you're
guaranteeing us world War IIIE. The Russians will respond with
everything that they have, including god forbid, nuclear way weapons.
And so the question we have to ask ourselves is
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is Ukraine worth World War three? And to me the
answer is no. And the folly that I'm seeing among
our elites, I'm telling you as an historian, and it's
the same thinking. I have confidence in the Kaiser, I
have confidence in the British Prime Minister, I have confidence
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in the Russians. Are is the same kind of the
thinking I'm seeing now, trust our guy, no matter what
he's our guy. Trust them, trust them, trust them, trust him.
And I'm sorry, I don't trust any man, even a
great president like Trump. Great men also make mistakes. Sometimes
they even make great mistakes or huge mistakes. And you know,
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you talk about well, you know, Russia can be in
now on NATO's border. They're already on NATO's border, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania,
they're on Russia's border, They're part of NATO. Poland already
has a small slice of his border tied to Bela, Russia,
and a little bit of Russia. So what I'm saying
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is we're already there. It's not the end of the world.
The sky's not gonna fall. So this boogeyman of Pultin,
it's always the same garbage. He's Hitler, he's Hitler, he's Hitler,
He's not Hitler. He has no designs on Poland, he
has no designs on Germany or France or Italy. And
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you can tell because the Europeans aren't serious about their defense.
If they really felt threatened by them, they'd be arming
themselves to the teeth right now. They're not. So that
tells you it's all just propaganda and talking points to
justify this endless war. Now, I'm sorry. One hundred and
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seventy five billion dollars, that's just what they got from US.
People forget this the EU. Say what you want about
the Europeans. They've given Ukraine another one hundred In fact,
I think they've given them two hundred billion. So combined,
the Ukraine has gotten in the last three years four
hundred billion dollars, both in money and weapons. With four
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hundred billion, they should have taken Moscow four hundred billion.
And by the way, they're getting much better weaponry than
the Russians have. The Russians it's second grade stuff. We're
giving them the best American weapons, the best German weapons,
the best British weapons, the best French weapons. They're getting
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Western weaponry. And so you have to ask yourself, where
did the four hundred billion dollars go? Again, we give
a fraction of this to Israel. Look at what a
military colossus Israel is because they don't steal the money
or they don't sell the military hardware on the international
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black market. That's what the Ukrainians have been doing. So
I'm sorry if the Ukrainians are going to keep swindling
US and the Europeans.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
Enough is enough.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
You had your four hundred billion, you blew it. You
stole most of it. Now deal with Vladimir Putin.
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