Taking Away the World Cup

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Six one seven two sex sex sixty eight. Sixty eight
is the number. Okay, Mike is very worried. He wants
to go to the World Cup. He and his friends
are dying ago. They're planning to go, you know, as
long as it's in Boston, and so he doesn't want
Trump to remove it because he says he and his

(00:20):
friends are gonna get screwed. Sandy thinks that Trump is bluffing,
that they just are not going to be able to
find a suitable venue somewhere else in the country that
can meet the crowds, the people, the magnitude of the
World Cup, which, as Sandy put it, that's like the

(00:41):
Super Bowl times ten. And I'm like, well, I don't know.
I mean, but Charlotte, well, Charlotte doesn't have a big
enough stadium. Well, you know what, Philadelphia doesn't have a
big enough stadium. I mean, I think there are other places,
Sandy saying, look, she doesn't like Milwaukee. She doesn't think
Milwaukee can handle it, she said. They're basically both of

(01:02):
them are arguing that very few cities can handle the
volume of the people that will be attending a World
Cup match. You know, Mike says, is it an argument
or is it just stating a fact. So I don't know.
I honestly think people in the in the greater Boston area,

(01:23):
because Mike technically lives in New Hampshire. But obviously, you know,
he's a big Bruins fan. He's a big Red Sox fan,
he's a big Patriots fan, big Celtics fan. I think
they're a little Boston centric. Boston is not the only
game in town. I'm just saying. I'm just saying six
one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight. Greg

(01:47):
in Boston. Thanks for holding Greg, and welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Hey, Jeff, my friend.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
I'm very good. How are you Greg? Great?

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Thanks?

Speaker 2 (01:57):
So just really quick on Venezuela, you got it right,
continue to blow up the boats, but we don't need
to get into that Trump, it will totally derail his presidency.
On top of that, he said it, he said it
as well, we don't have the money.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
We're printing money.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
We don't have the money to get into a into
a you know, with them for regime regime change. We
do not, So I really really hope that that doesn't happen.
That would be that'd be the worst thing that we
can do. Again, keep blowing up the boats, you know,

(02:39):
a gorilla tactic, special forces, but do not do not
get into regime change. It's the worst thing we can do.
And if he's really compelled to do it running through Congress,
like you said, so you're spot on there now. Regarding
the World Cup, I have a Brazilian girlfriend. We've been
to two World Cups twenty fourteen in Brazil. Uh and

(03:01):
Sandy said it right too, it's I I liken it too.
It's the Super Bowl, World Series, uh, Stanley Cup Finals
in the NBA. It's all wrapped up into one. It's
it is an experience. And so in Brazil it was amazing.
I mean I remember walking out of the stadium. We

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saw the national team play, and it's it's just you
go to a bar after the game and you rewatch
the game and we know Brazil wins, and and they're
watching this, you know, like it's it's brand new. It's
just it's an amazing experience. I also went to the
World Cup in Russia. I saw Brazil lose to Belgium

(03:43):
and Gazan. We went up to Saint Pete's and to Moscow.
Unbelievable experience. Just you know, a trip of a lifetime,
and so I was we were looking forward to it
in Boston. But I you know, I really really hope
that Trump's not bluffing because he's rewarding bad behavior and

(04:03):
there's plenty of I disagree, respectfully with Mike and Sandy.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Boston is actually it's.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Such a you know, it's small city. It's uh, it's
it's not ideal to host it. You know, there's there's
plenty of other major cities that could that could host it,
and it would be a real shame because it's you know,
all the local businesses from hotels, the restaurants, the local attractions.
It generates millions. You know, it's it would be really

(04:33):
really good for our economy. Uh. But you know, uh,
you know Michelle wool Woo and her policies don't reward it,
you know, don't reward it and let her own it.
Let her own it, you know. Mike and Sandia, you know,
Mike wants to go, you know, fly out of Miami.
It's three hour flight and you can do it down there.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
I want to go.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
We're looking forward to it. Uh, you know, my girlfriend's
really bummed about it. But that's what we're gonna do.
We'll just pick another little We'll go do it.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Greg. I'm telling you, buddy, you're you're really is your
last name Cooner by any chance, I'm telling you like
a brother from another mother. I'm listening to you, and
I'm just nodding my head up and down, up and down,
up and down, up and down. The only difference is
your girlfriend's Brazilian. My wife is Italian, who, by the way,
she loves the World Cup and the Euros because she's

(05:23):
a huge Italy soccer fan, huge, huge and her old
family is Italia Viva Italia, so she's a big soccer
fan for Italy. So she was looking forward to the
World Cup and maybe catching a game in Boston like that.
That's you know. She'd been bugging me about this for
like months, like, come on, we gotta go, she says,

(05:43):
you know, I think Croatia's gonna be coming, Jeff, come on,
you gotta go. And you know, and it's the festivities,
it's the crowd, it's the ambiance, it's the feeling in
the city. You're right, it's not just the money, it's
the whole atmosphee. It's it's it's incredible it's just absolutely incredible,

(06:04):
and it's all on her. You're right, why should we
reward bad behavior? If she can't make the city livable enough,
safe enough, civilized enough to host the World Cup or
one of the you know cities that hosts the World
Cup game, then it's up. It's on her. Six one

(06:25):
seven two six, six, sixty eight sixty eight is the number. Okay,
I gotta say, I'm I'm I'm always surprised at the
kind of venomous hatred. That's the only phrase that comes
to mind that soccer elicits from some of the listeners.
So listen now to this. This is from nine to

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one seven. You can text the cooner man seven zero
four seven zero seven zero four seven zero Jeff, move
the soccer tournament to a red state now at once.
You will not get any cooperation from Massachusetts Blue politics ever,

(07:08):
So why wait? Look at it more as a way
to reward friends rather than punish enemies. Dallas, Jacksonville, Hell,
even Nashville, Tennessee. And then continues soccer is a third
world gain that should stay in the third world. Its

(07:30):
very presence in the United States of America is a
subversive force. Well, yeah, you're read my Yeah. Well, I mean,
you know that's news to Germany and England and France
and and and Italy, and I mean it's you know,
it's news to the like that they're suddenly third world.

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But but you know, let that go, and then the
texter continues. Atmosphere, question Mark, you know when I said, well,
it's an incredible atmosphere when you go to a game.
No sport is responsible for more death and damage after
important games than soccer. Well that what I think. You

(08:17):
may have a point. I mean that that's a good point, Sandy,
that's a good point. Yet you know that the Vancouver
Canucks fans, you know, when they win the Canucks, you know,

(08:38):
like when in hockey when they win the NHL the
Stanley Cup, I mean they I mean they riot, I
mean they they I mean they they're like Black Lives
Matter or Antifa. Uh and you're right, Boston at the
World Series. What is it that woman died at Fenway Park?

(08:59):
So no, he could get pretty violent even with soccer.
I'm sorry, with basketball or baseball or hockey or you
know football here, but I do remember, for example, what
was it I think it was Venezuela speaking of Venezuela.
There was a defensive player who did an own goal.

(09:20):
It was just it was a mistake and he just,
you know, a ball was crossed over. He tried to
clear the ball. Long story short, he ended up clearing
it into his own net. It was an own goal
and it cost Venezuela the game. And clearly the guy
didn't do it on purpose. I mean you could see him.
He was absolutely despondent. Well after the game, Venezuela was

(09:41):
out of the tournament, out of the World Cup, and
all of the players told him, don't go back to Venezuela.
They're going to kill you. Well he didn't listen, So
then he goes back to Venezuela Caracas, the capitol. Then
his players and family members said, okay, you shouldn't have come,
but now just stay holed up in the apartment. Don't

(10:02):
go outside because they're looking for you. If they find you,
they're gonna kill you. Well it's about two or three
weeks now after the World Cup, and he says, ah,
things have died down a bit. I'm gonna go out
a little bit. I've been cooped up forever. He goes
to a local bar to have a drink. This is
you know, the guy who scored in his own net
and yep, they somebody recognized them, got a gun, bang,

(10:26):
bang bang, and they shot him dead. So no soccer
soccer can elicit these kinds of emotions. Six one seven
two six six sixty eight sixty eight. William in the
Great State of Indiana. Thanks for holding William, And welcome Jeff.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Okay, I can hear you. Can you hear me?

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yes the first time a long time.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Welcome.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
He actually when you said eight twenty, I looked at
my clock and I said, son of a gun, I'm
actually visiting Boston this week. But two quick points before
Mike cuts me off. The first one is I think
the best thing to do right now is for President
Trump to have the airline people put notices that certain

(11:18):
cities we do not recommend you travel. Whatever that designation
is some kind of hazard hazard as are due to
X Y Z and nice statement. The second thing is
President Trump shouldn't fight for each foot for foot, because
we put brave men and women's lives in danger if
we do that. I think he should go into whatever

(11:41):
city he wants and whatever federal property is in that city.
He should put on a perimeter to protect that property
and will decide where the battlefield, not them that So
all I got to say is a pleasure to get

(12:02):
you live, have a good day.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
I will response, thank you, thank you. William. No, look,
I completely agree with you. Uh you know. Look, the
federal government has the right to protect federal law, enforce
federal law. And that's what they're doing now regarding illegal aliens.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
You know.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
And by the way, it's not like Trump wrote up
the law. The laws were passed by Congress a long
time ago. He's just enforcing the laws that were enacted
by Congress. I'm talking about deporting illegal aliens. So he's
enforcing federal law. He's using federal authority and federal law

(12:42):
enforcement to protect federal buildings i e. Ice facilities, and
to protect federal law enforcement who are now coming under
attack by rogue criminal terrorist elements and who are being
and these rogue terrorist elements are being clearly backed and

(13:03):
supported by these sanctuary mayors, these Democrat mayors and Democrat governors.
So what's he going to do? Just what not enforce
an important part of our law? So is this now
the kind of country we're going to have. So what
we're just now what governors and mayors get a veto

(13:24):
over what laws they'll follow and what laws they won't
follow and what. So we're going to have some states.
But think about this, So some states are just not
going to abide by federal immigration law. Do you know
the kind of anarchy this would unleash, like just logically,
just think about it. So that means here, let me
just in Massachusetts, since you're in the Boston area, William,

(13:46):
So that means what they can say, Nah, you can
come in from anywhere in the world one million, two million,
three million, four million, five million, six million, ten million,
twenty million, And it doesn't matter what the federal immigration
law is because we make up our own law here.
We don't have internal passports. There's no border when you

(14:09):
go into Rhode Island or New Hampshire or State of
New York or wherever. So they can come into one state.
Illegal aliens now, and let's be clear, many of them
are trend or Aragua MS thirteen. Many of them are criminals,
many of them are very dangerous. They're murderers, they're rapists,
they're sex traffickers, drug traffickers, and they can then because

(14:32):
we don't have an internal passport system, and thank god
we don't, they can go to any state they want.
So effectively, what you've done is you've destroyed the ability
of a country to protect its own borders and defend
its own sovereignty. That's why you have to enforce federal
immigration law. You don't enforce federal immigration law. Literally, you

(14:56):
don't have a country. And so yes, if Trump wants
to put a security perimeter fence, as he's trying to
do now in Chicago, gave broadside to be more accurate,
a suburb of Chicago. Who the hell is Brandon Johnson
Earth that fat swab Golden Corral pigster Pritzker to go

(15:17):
in there and say you can't and then encourage these
anti ice militants and Antifa to tear the fence down
on federal property. It's an insurrection. I'm sorry, that's.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
What it is.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
It's no different than what the South did before the
Civil War, and the very same dynamics is playing itself out.
The Democrats in the South primarily refused to accept the
election of Lincoln. That's what led to the Civil War,
and they refused to enact fundamental federal laws. Once Lincoln

(16:00):
was voted in as president, and so they said, well,
I don't care. Federal authority be damned, federal government be damned,
federal law be damned. And that's what led to that's
literally what led to the Civil War. Now, instead of Lincoln,
they don't accept the election victory of Trump, and instead

(16:21):
of slavery and also the tariff both it was actually both.
Now it's immigration law, illegal aliens. Instead of slave labor,
it's cheap labor. But it's the same principle. Federal authority
be damned, federal law be damned, federal sovereignty, federal jurisdiction

(16:43):
be damned. No, I'm sorry, we cannot allow this to
happen again. Six one seven two six, six sixty eight
sixty eight is the number. Okay, just very very quickly,
A couple lines are open, by the way, six one
seven two six, six sixty eight sixty eight. You know

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a lot of you are making the point on the
text line, and I have to say it's a very
interesting and I think a very incisive point where you're saying, yes, Jeff,
you support Trump. Blow up these boats, go after these
drug smugglers. Interdict them by land, by sea, on water.
Do what you have to do to prevent cocaine or

(17:27):
fentanyl or really these deadly poisons from killing people here
in our own country, especially our our young people, our youth. However,
we've been having a war on drugs now for what
forty forty five years, and sometimes we do better, sometimes
we do worse. But fundamentally, it's not a supply problem.

(17:52):
This is the point that many of you are making.
It's a demand problem. In other words, you know, we
can blow up all the supply that we want. If
Americans by massive numbers want to snort cocaine or you know,

(18:13):
take you know, take fentanyl or you know, inject themselves
with heroin, someone is going to make it, and someone's
going to find a way to smuggle it into the
United States. Because when there's this kind of a voracious demand,
this kind of a voracious appetite, almost an unlimited appetite

(18:35):
for drugs as for whatever reason we have in the
United States, someone's going to give you the supply. And
so what we're really doing is playing whack a mole.
This is, in fact, how one of you phrased it. Yeah,
you know, you blow up this boat, then you blow
up that boat. But in the end you're not treating

(18:58):
the source of the problem, which is why why are
there so many Americans who have this almost black hole,
this unlimited hunger first demand to snort cocaine, to take heroin,
to do fentanyl. What is it that's happening in America?

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Whether it's a moral crisis, a spiritual crisis, for whatever,
the reason is, why is it? And it's not just America,
to be fair, it's Canada, it's Europe, it's the West
in general. What is going on that people have been
turning to drugs now in a major way for forty

(19:43):
to fifty sixty years and it's just relentless. It just
doesn't stop. And so we can have all the war
on drugs that we want, and we can destroy all
the poppy fields we want, and all the cocoa, the
cocaine or the coca fields we want, and we can
blow up all the boats we want, and we can

(20:06):
target the headquarters of all the drug cartels we want.
The problem is there is a huge, almost limitless appetite
for drugs now. I want to open up this question
to all of you, a do we have a demand problem.
Is that fundamentally the issue. It's not supply, it's demand.

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And why why? What's your you know, in other words,
if you've known somebody who's become a drug addict, or
did drugs, or experimented with drugs, or god forbid overdosed
on drugs, ohdeed on drugs, why why did they feel

(20:50):
the need to do it, to take it to the
point that it cost them everything and in some cases,
sadly even their life. What is driving this drug epidemic
here in the United States? And look, I'm against the
legalization of drugs. I'm against the legalization of marijuana, never

(21:14):
mind the harder drugs. Please know exactly where I'm coming from.
But there is quite a few I've been, you know, emails,
I'm getting messages on messenger, text messages saying this war
on drugs is ultimately a losing battle, Jeff, because it's
not a supply problem, it's a demand problem. And as

(21:37):
long as you have this many people who want to
continue to take drugs, the best thing that we should do,
like we do with cigarettes, like we do with alcohol,
like we've done now with marijuana in most states, is
legalize it, regulate it, tax it, supervise it if people

(21:58):
are going to you know, inject themselves with head arrow
in or some of the harder drugs. But that the
best thing to do is to legalize it. Why because
then this will get the drug cartels out of the business,
the mafia, the mob, the criminals out of the business.
In other words, the way we now, you know, we've

(22:19):
legalized cigarettes, we've legalized tobacco. When we ended prohibition, you know,
the mob got out of the whole boot you know,
bootlegging business and the liquor business. And that that's what
we should do regarding drugs. Legalize it. And this way

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you don't empower these drug cartels and these criminals and
transnational gangs with billions and billions and billions of dollars
in revenue. I don't agree with that argument, but it's
an interesting argument, and i'd like to hear from you.
Six one seven two sex sex sixty eight sixty eight

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is the number Mike in Saugust. Thanks for holding Mike,
and welcome.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Oh that's what they're saying the song again.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
That's right, that's right, Mike.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Yeah, So you know I'm of a Italian descent. So
in nineteen ninety four. It was unbelievable. Italy played Brazil
in the end, but every time they won, you know, qualifying,
you know, it was just you know, every time they advanced,
we went out on the streets and who paraded around?

Speaker 3 (23:35):
We walked with it.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
We walked with the.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
Sun from Eastport into the North esk It was like
ninety degrees.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
It was like Muggy's day.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
People must have been coming out of the airport like
it was like three hundred of us right. They were like,
they must have been like, who the hell are these people?
What they We were just out of high school, so
we were so young enough, but they must have been like,
what is this? So we might from east East Boston
to the North End and we started the body right back.

(24:05):
They just it was just a regular game too, you
know what I mean. It was just like an advancement,
you know what I mean. It wasn't even the World Cup.
People want to like, look, so I can imagine nowadays,
you know, with all the other ethnic groups that have
in this country. We were like, oh, what they do
they'll probably they were saying the same thing about us. Oh,
but it was unbelievable. Oh, it was the best experience.

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I've loved it so anyways, but I can't do that
now now I work for a living. I definitely take
the day off. I'm taking a taken. I'm thinking of
taken like three weeks off next year, just in that
time there, just to wash the World Cup.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Right, Yeah, you know that's funny, Mike. I gotta ask you,
what do you think of Trump? He's baiting, you know,
he's putting the proverbial gun to Michelle Woo's head, saying,
you keep up with the sanctuary city nonsense. You keep
coddling illegals, you keep allowing crime to run rampant, you
keep allowing the drugs, the homelessness. Uh. You know, in

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other words, if you want to turn Boston into a
Third World l hole, you're not going to get the
World Cup. Now, other cities are hosting it as well,
it's not just Boston, but you know, you're not going
to host some of the games that are scheduled to
come to the I think most of them are going
to be playing in Jellette. But basically, he's saying Boston
is not going to be a destination for the World
Cup in twenty twenty six. And if you don't like it.

(25:27):
Blame Michelle wou what say you, Mike.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
I mean, I'm hoping it doesn't happen. He's right, But
I'm hoping it doesn't happen because well, you know what's
going to happen. You know, they're always just going to
go to Providence, you know what I mean, So you
know all the people, you know, all the diyning because
obviously Jillette is close to the Providence. So yeah, we're
got to miss out. So I hope it doesn't happen.
But he's right.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Well yeah, and then I mean, Mike, I'll be honest,
I would love to see Italy in a World Cup
if I could actually get ticked gets to see it live.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
Wow, my dream. My dream is Italy versus Italy versus Ireland.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Oh my god, in Boston.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Oh that's my dream.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Oh man, Oh that I would have somehow, by hook
or by crook. I'm telling you, Mike, I would get
myself into that stadium.

Speaker 5 (26:19):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
I'd have to see the atmosphere in there. Mike. God
bless you, my friend, and thank you very very much
for that call. Six one seven two six six sixty
eight sixty eight. Okay, it's Wednesday, nine o'clock. You know
what that means, doctor Grace, putting liberals in their place.

(26:40):
Grace Voto, my better half, my wonderful wife, and yes
I did marry up and she's a big Italy soccer fan. Grace.
I want to ask you, obviously about drugs and whether
we should legalize them. That's what many people are now
saying that the drug war has failed. And yes, Trump

(27:03):
is blowing up these boats. Good for him, obviously, it's
you know, he he's going after these drug traffickers and
drug smugglers, the cocaine, the fentanyl. It's killing one hundred
thousand Americans every year. But before I get into that topic,
I've got to ask you you was it two thousand
and six when Italy won the World Cup and then

(27:25):
you and your family and your friends, you guys went
to downtown Montreal and you guys blocked traffic and you
guys were was it in little Italy? And then you
guys were dancing to Tarantel in the middle of the
street blocking traffic? Was that two thousand and six? And
I know when Italy won the Euros? What is it
a couple of years ago? You guy, you were cheering

(27:46):
in the house site. Honestly, I thought the roof was
going to collapse, you were cheering so loud. How do
you feel about Trump threatening now to take the World
Cup or those matches designated for Boston for the twenty
twenty six World Cup out of Boston if Michelle WU
doesn't stop with their soft on crime, pro illegal alien policies.

(28:09):
Do you support Trump on this?

Speaker 5 (28:12):
Jeff, yes, I do. You know, I think there's nothing
more important, no matter what hobby or recreation we might
individually adore, I think there's nothing more important than clapping
down on the crime that we have seen across this
beautiful country and on getting the illegal immigrants to go home.

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And look, you know, for all of those who are saying, oh,
you know, we've got to defend these people, you know,
as these activists are doing, remember that there have been
so many messages aired on TV telling illegal immigrants to
go home voluntarily. They're even going to get government assistance
to go home. So, as far as I'm concerned, they're

(28:55):
bringing all of this upon themselves. Those who came illegal
violated our laws and they should just be leaving. And
if they're not going to leave voluntarily, they're going to
be forced out with all of the methods that we
have pampied, and it takes a person like Trump to
enforce our laws. He's doing what no other president has

(29:17):
had the courage to do in this regard.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Is this also because Italy doesn't seem to be frankly
very good this year?

Speaker 5 (29:30):
You're hilarious.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
You know.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
My favorite matches though, are with Italy and Croatia playing
clickly when we win at the.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
Last minute, will you from a big.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
Who's your dady? Now?

Speaker 1 (29:46):
No moment, Grace, I've got to ask you. There's now
look Trump now is there's a massive military build up.
I talked about this in the opening hour of the show.
It's the biggest build up that we've had in the Caribbean,
in that part of the world in over three decades.
The last time we did anything close to this we

(30:08):
invaded Panama in nineteen eighty nine to oust Manuel Norjega.
This was under Bush. Forty one ten thousand US troops
now are there near the Venezuelan border. Three destroyers have
now been moved into the area, about a dozen F
thirty five fighter jets. You've got a flotilla of drones

(30:30):
you've got spy planes, you've got special forces now right
on the Venezuelan border. They've now just sent in a
major Marines expeditionary unit. Clearly, the drums of war are
now beating. Trump has let it be known he wants
Maduro to be overthrown. He'd rather the Venezuelan people do

(30:50):
it themselves. But he is now starting to call for
regime change. And a major reason is because of all
of the drugs that Maduro is he helping to flood
our country with, and the fact now that he is
literally financially and politically in bed with the drug cartels,

(31:11):
with trend or Aragua. And Trump is now, as you know,
blowing up these boats that are smuggling drugs into our country.
These are Venezuelan boats with Venezuelan narco terrorists, and he's
blown up six of them, killing twenty seven Venezuelan nationals.
And so he's hammering the supply side. But many are

(31:34):
now coming out and saying the war on drugs has
been a failure. It's been going on for forty years,
more intensity under Reagan, more intensity under Trump, less intensity
under Obama. But if you keep going after the supply
it won't solve the problem because of the demand that
there's just an insatiable demand in America for whatever reason,

(31:56):
for cocaine, for heroin, for fentanyl, for the hard drugs,
you name it, and that really now, maybe the answer
is to legalize it. What say you?

Speaker 5 (32:08):
I think that the legalization of marijuana has been a
complete disaster. There are reports that what we've done so
far has dramatically increased vehicle fatalities, and we're just at
the beginning of doing the research on what these legalization
efforts have done. I don't think we have a choice.

(32:31):
It is one of those issues that you have to
keep fighting it on every front that you possibly can,
because the people that consume these products, they're not just
a threat to themselves. There are threat to others, as
we see with this dramatic increase in people on marijuana
who are killing others with their cars or damaging or

(32:51):
hurting themselves. So I just it's one of those issues, Jeff.
I know people say we just got to throw up
our hands sometimes and legal and then what it's only
gonna It's only going to lead to more crime if
you do that. So that's a that's quickstand.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Well, let me just play You know, I agree with you,
but let me just play Devil's advocate. The way we
got rid of prohibition and we relegalized alcohol, and so
the argument is, do the same thing with drugs. This
would get organized crime out of the racket. This would
end the wealth and the power of the drug cartels.

(33:30):
And you could tax it, you could regulate it, you
could treat it like you do alcohol, like you do cigarettes,
like you do marijuana. Now and this way, you know, yes,
people will hurt themselves, but people smoke that. Everybody knows
it causes lung cancer or throat cancer. People do marijuana.

(33:51):
It causes lung cancer and throat cancer. And apparently now
it's much more potent now than it was thirty forty
years ago, much more addictive. So if people want to
hurt themselves, that's their business. But at least this way,
if you legalize it, A, we're not waging a war anymore.
We don't, you know, we're not bombing poppy fields and

(34:14):
cocoa fields and boats with drug smugglers. A. It takes
that out and b it completely then undercuts the drug cartels.
So yeah, it doesn't stop crime completely. But it takes
organized crime out of it, and it doesn't feed them
billions of dollars a year. What say you?

Speaker 5 (34:36):
Honestly, I think it's a preposterous argument, just because, first
of all, we've seen already with marijuana that it doesn't
eliminate the illegal growing and trafficking even of marijuana. So
legalizing these substances, it doesn't stop the illegal trafficking of it,
that's point number one. So what you're going to have

(34:57):
is you're going to have all the problems that you
know due to the addictions of those who are taking
it from a legal purchase, plus you're still going to
have the crime, so you're going to double your problems.
That's definitely not the solution. And another issue is that
it's very different than alcohol. You know, Jeff, you and
I we come from European families. We were exposed to

(35:18):
alcohol in Canada at a very young age at the
dinner table. It was very customary to be given a
little bit of wine with seven up over dinner, and
we grew up not having much interest in alcohol because
it is not necessarily as addictive as you know, these substances,
I think if they are legal and they are everywhere

(35:40):
the level of addiction is going to be so high.
They're just much much more toxic. And it's not just
that those individuals are going to hurt themselves, which obviously
we care about, but when they are high, they are
a threat to others. So I think you're just going
to compound all of society's woes by doing this.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
We've got about two men. And the reason why I'm
saying this is this is a bit of a deeper question.
But why why does the United States? And it's been
going on now for a while, it's not just a
recent thing forty fifty, sixty, seventy years and Europe the
West in general. But let's just focus on America. What

(36:19):
is Why are there so many Americans who have this
insatiable appetite, you know, not just marijuana, but heroin, fentanyl, cocaine,
these hard drugs that are highly addictive and incredibly destructive.
What's driving this? What's causing this?

Speaker 5 (36:42):
Well, Jeff, you know, you and I are historians. You
know there was a four for centuries you had people
that were addicted to opium. So this is not actually
as new as we think it is. There's always been
a segment of society that gravitates towards the hedonistic lifestyle
to the point that they'll do anything. I answer your
question more directly about today. I think why it is

(37:04):
so so widespread is that essentially, children are raised from
a very young age to believe that the purpose of
life is pleasure. This is the fundamental problem. So if
the purpose of life is pleasure, by the time they're teens,
they're going to experiment with sex, and then they're going
to experiment with every single thing you can think of
that they can put into their bodies. And by the

(37:24):
grace of God, some of them escape without getting an addiction,
but too many fall into the trap of addiction. And
so what message are we sending our young people? What
is the reason for their life? You know, if you
ask somebody in the street right now, driving, young person,
why are you alive? What's the reason? What have you
been taught? Well, they're going to say it's to entertain

(37:46):
myself and quote unquote to be happy.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
You know, Grace, it's funny. But as you're talking now,
I can almost see the spirit of Charlie Kirk going
through you.