The American Pope

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, cooner country. Okay, my friends, Yesterday was an
historic day for many, many reasons. The papal conclave in
the Vatican selected the two hundred and sixty seventh pontiff.
It is going to be Pope Leo the fourteenth, as

(00:21):
he is now called, Cardinal Robert Francis Pravo. Born in America,
that's right, born in Chicago. He is the first American
born pope in the history of the entire papacy. In fact,
he is the first pope not just from America but

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from North America. And many in the media, including President Trump,
whose pride obviously was enhanced, his American pride beaming at
the prospect now that he will be meeting soon the

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first pope in history who was born in the United States.
Listen now to President Trump after news, and it was
historic news. No one thought Provo was going to win.
Many thought there were going to be other candidates who
were ahead of him, other leading contenders. Provo came out

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of nowhere, and to the shock of the people in
Saint Peter's Square, to the shock of people around the world,
and to the shock of people across the United States.
It is an American pope. Listen now to President Trump
speaking to reporters outside the White House upon news of

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the election of Robert or Cardinal Robert Francis Provo now
Leo the fourteenth roll cut twelve, Mike, they have already

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spoken to us, and we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
But again, to have the vote.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
From the United States of America, that's a great honor.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
That's a great honor. And he's from America, he said,
he's great. So uh. He also said the same thing
on truth social This is a great honor, he said,
for the United States. He is proud. His American pride,
as I said, is beaming. And he now says he

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plans to meet him soon, and he said it will
be an honor to shake his hand and to meet
the first pope who comes from the United States in history,
literally in the history of the papacy. And look, there's
no question about it. When I first heard the news,
I was stunned. I was surprised, in one sense, pleasantly

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surprised that this was an American born pope, as I
said from Chicago. However, to be brutally honest with all
of you, I began to look more and more into
his background. I frankly had not heard of Robert Francis
Provo before, as most Catholics around the world didn't. I
knew the leading contenders, I knew some of the key players,

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but Cardinal Provo. Now again, Leo the Fourteenth, I had
not heard of. The more I researched, the more I
found out again, if I'm not here to speak the truth,
then there's no point in me being behind his microphone.
The less enthusiastic I became. Now I want to say this.

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He is a new pope, just elected yesterday. He is
sixty nine years old. By all accounts, he is a
very good, decent, humble men, and I truly pray for
him and his papacy. I want this pope to succeed.
I really want to stress this, But the more I

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looked into it, it confirmed all of my worst fears.
They're all of these tweets now that he has issued
over the last four, five, six, seven, eight years, are
all starting to resurface. This is a leftist pope. There's
no question he is anti Trump, he is anti Maga,

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he is pro open borders. In fact, he is a
self styled left wing globalist in the mold of late
Pope Francis. In fact, he owes everything to Francis. Francis
basically plucked him from obscurity and promoted him to one

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of the senior ranks as cardinals. And this is why,
if you noticed in his first address yesterday, after it
was announced here we now have a new pope, Pope
Leo the fourteenth, he kept thanking Francis over and over
and over again. That has never been done before in

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the two thousand years of the papacy. You never thank
on your opening speech. You don't even mention your predecessor,
never mind thank or praise your predecessor. Why because everything
is being born anew. It is a new papacy, infused

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in theory by the Holy Spirit. And so you talk
about what you want to do for the church, what
your message for the church is. You never mention your predecessor.
He did, He did again and again and again. And
I think the reason is obvious. What Francis did, especially

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in the last several years of his papacy as his
health waned, was he wanted to cement his left wing legacy,
his almost revolutionary transformation of the church into a much
more globalist progressive, clearly socialist direction, there's no question. And

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so what he did was he stacked the College of
Cardinals with essentially fellow travelers, with acolytes, people who thought
like him, people who believed in exactly the same in
terms of the progressive wing of the church, the left
wing wing of the church. And so what he did

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was he started to promote people from all over the world,
and so they stacked the College of Cardinals, and so
we were going to have another left wing pope. It
was almost inevitable, and that's the result. That's what we
got now with Pope Leo the fourteenth. Now. Furthermore, just

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so that you know this pope, yes, was born in America,
God bless him, but he has spent most of his
life in Peru. His church years dominated by him being
a missionary and then eventually a bishop in Peru. He
has Peruvian citizenship, so he's not just an American citizen,

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he's also a citizen of Peru. Furthermore, he also spent
some time in the Vatican. Now his job at the Vatican,
he was very close with Pope Francis, very very close.
He saw his role as furthering and perpetuating the legacy

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of Francis. As I said on XE yesterday and I
want to repeat it, Pope Leo the fourteenth is Pope
Francis two point zero Meet the new boss, same as
the old boss. And as these tweets now and there's

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more and more of them that are surfacing, what they
clearly now show is he does not believe in borders.
Like Pope Francis, he believes that there should not be
any secure borders, in particular when it comes to the
United States. He has been a staunch opponent of Trump's

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border and immigration crackdown. He is against mass deportations. In fact,
he is a defender of Kilmar Abrago Garcia, the quote
unquote Marilyn Man, the l Salvadorian illegal, the gang, the
MS thirteen gangbanger, the human trafficker, and wife beater. There

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is a post that he retweeted in which someone said
about Kilmar Abrego Garcia, have you no conscience? Do you
not care for his suffering? Do you not care for
his pain? And all I'm thinking is, what about the
suffering of all of his victims? What about the suffering

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of MS thirteen, What about the suffering of the victims
of illegal alien crime. How come nobody weeps for them?
And why doesn't the church weep for them? But it
doesn't matter. He is in the vein of Francis and
so he doesn't believe there should be any borders. He

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supports unlimited third world immigration. He is against Trump. He
is against almost all of Trump's policies. He schooled JD. Vance,
which to me was incredible when earlier this year JD
Vance citing what's called the principle of subsidiarity, which is

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at the heart of Catholic teaching, which is, yes, of
course you love everybody, but you love your family. Then
you know your neighbor, your community, your country. In other words,
there are sort of levels of love. The closer it
is to you, the more you love that person. He

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came out and said, no, Jesus doesn't rank to anybody's love.
In other words, you should love someone in well Peru
just as much as your own wife, or your own husband,
or your own children. It's pure Marxist globalism. That's what
this pope has been peddling, at least up until his election.

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Right now, and I suspect we're going to get more.
He is a big defender of Black Lives Matter and
called for everyone to honor George Floyd and for an
end to racism and racial oppression in America. In other words,
he is a man of the left, by the left

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for the left. Okay, listen, now, just a little bit
of sound from yesterday, as Cardinal Robert Francis Pravo, the
first American born pope in history, emerges for the first
time now as Pope Leo the fourteenth, to greet the

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crowd at Saint Peter's Square roll cut twelve A A mic.

(12:06):
I mean he was, I mean, you know, he was
visibly very emotional. You can tell he did not expect
this to happen, but it did. He was catapulted now
into the papacy. Many in the crowd were very happy
that a pope was elected. Obviously it was done on
the fourth ballot the second day, which is usually part

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for the course. But apparently he had a strong position
almost from the beginning. So the liberal block or the
progressive block within the church settled on him as essentially
the continuation of Francis that he was going to be

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their left wing candidate and if they voted together in Unison,
they would get the two thirds majority that they needed,
and so essentially Francis's strategy worked. He stacked the College
of Cardinal with his people and these progressive left wing
open borders globalists, and that's what they are got their

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guy to now be the next Holy See. He will
now be the next Pope. Now, I think there's no
question the media, the liberal fake news media, which is
rapidly anti Christian, rapidly anti Catholic and increasingly, by the way,
very anti Semitic and anti Jewish. But let that go

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for now, okay, because we're talking about the Pope, the
Catholic Church and Christianity. They celebrated Popelo the fourteenth. Now
why is it because he is against abortion?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
No?

Speaker 1 (13:48):
In fact, to be fair to Popelo the fourteenth, he
seems to be doctrinally more conservative than Francis. He's up
from everything that we've heard about him and read about him.
He's actually on a harder line on abortion than Francis.
He's against the LGBTQ plus agenda and transgenderism. So that

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flies against everything the media believes in and pushes and pedals.
So why why were they smiling ear to ear? Why
were they championing and celebrating Popelio the fourteenth because on
climate change he's a man of the left. On Black

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Lives matter and issues of race, he's a man of
the left, and on the big one, on the issue
of migrants, of illegal aliens, of immigration, on borders, he
is a man of the radical hard left and in
many ways, and they understand this very well. One of

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the reasons these left wing pro France's cardinals voted for
Pope Leo the fourteenth and because it was always said
before it would be almost unthinkable for an American to
become pope for many many reasons, one of them being

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is cardinals have always said, you know, we don't want
to have a pope from one of the great global superpowers.
We just don't want to do that. We never want
to seem like we're upawn of one of the great
superpowers in the world. So it was almost like any
pope but from the United States, or any pope from
you know, not that there are many Catholics in Russia,

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but during the Soviet Union, in other words, this would
just be considered too much. They had no problem electing
an American pope this time. Why Why because they want
to elevate an American who's a leftist, who's an anti Trumper,

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who's anti Maga, who has publicly chastised Trump, repeatedly publicly
chastise jd Vance, who is a Catholic, in fact, a
Catholic convert. So they want to elect someone who is
going to be almost a spiritual moral counterweight and bulwark
to Trump. And the media knows this, so they can

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then say, an American pope is standing up to Donald Trump,
an American pope is saying his position on illegal immigration
is un Christian, it's uncatholic, it's not charitable, it's not
what Jesus would do. And they're going to use this

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papacy mark my words, as a stick or a bludgeon
to constantly whack Trump and his policies over the head with.
So I understand Trump as a patriot, as a proud
American saying, Wow, it's a great honor to have an
American as a pope. But I think he's gonna learn
very quickly this pope is not going to be your

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ally no quo. I mean, there's no question about it.
In fact, he's going to be his foil. He's going
to be a critic and his enemies are going to
use this pope like they used Francis to attack Trump
and attack Maga again and again and again. And so
I want to open it up to you, the great

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audience of Cooner Country. We now have an American pope.
You can also text us seven zero four seven zero
seven zero four seven zero. This is from six one
seven Jeff. So let me get this straight. We now
have an American pope who is anti America perfect yep.

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I mean, I hate to say it, but that's that's
that's what it is. So he's I mean, he's against
borders in general, he's against Trump in particular, Maga jd Vance.
I can run down the whole list these pro black
lives matter. But the big thing is he believes that

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even deporting Kilmar Abrego Garcia is a sin, that deporting
MS thirteen gangbangers is a sin. Having any kind of
an border enforcement is a sin. According to him, I'm
not kidding. Jesus loves the migrants. Jesus is with the migrants,

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and you can't love your community, or your family, or
your country more than you love these migrants. And so
basically what he's saying is you have to have your
borders wide open and just let people keep pouring in.
That is the humane, compassionate thing to do. It's what
Jesus would do. It's very radical, it's a form of Marxism.

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It's clearly he's a globalist through and through. And this
is what we're going to have now again, it's again,
it's a continuation of Francis. I don't want to repeat myself,
but meet the new boss, same as the old boss,
although maybe even worse in some areas a little better,
but in other areas could be even worse. Now, let

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me just say one last thing, and then I want
to go to the phone lines six one seven two
six six sixty eight sixty eight.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
The Italian media is now saying, this is how they
describe Pope Leo the fourteenth. He is the most un
American of Americans that his time in Rome, his time
with Pope Francis, he has consistently talked about his shame

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for America, that he believes it's a deeply racist country,
a deeply sexist country. Our history of slavery and genocide
is something he says we should be ashamed of. And
again he is very pro black lives matter. He is
very sympathetic to the radical left and to the racial

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left in this country. So we're looking at a papacy
that there's no wonder. You know, the Democrats love this guy.
It's no wonder. CNN and MSNBC and the New York
Times are hailing his selection. Now he in many ways
identifies more with Peru than he does with the United States.

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In his during his church years, he has spent much
more time in Peru than he ever did in America.
I know he was born here Chicago, but he has
spent decades and decades and decades in Peru. And so
if you noticed yesterday he came out this is his
first address, spoke in Italian. Of course, the Vatican is

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based in Italy. That's fine, then spoke in Latin, of course,
that's traditional. But he then spoke in Spanish. And afterwards
he told the media that was deliberate. That was a
nod to his former flock in Chicalo. Don't confuse it

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with Chicago. Cecalio is the city in northern Peru where
he was made the bishop of was a missionary and
then a bishop, and eventually elevated the cardinal but that's
where he really cut his teeth for the church. And
so he spoke to them in Spanish saying, you know,

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like Pope Francis, I will not forget you. I will
not forget Latin America. I will not forget the Third World. Now,
as I pointed out on X he didn't say a
word in English. He spoke in Latin. Fine, Italian, fine, honestly, Spanish. Fine,

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But if you're gonna be the first American pope and
the media is playing you up as this American pope,
you can't say a word in English. I'm sorry. It
bothered me. It did.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
To me.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
It's set the tone for the rest of his papacy. Hi,
you know, I don't know something. I am from America.
I don't know. I'm proud to be from America. I
am a son of Chicago. Something, a phrase, align a sentence,
something instead nothing, nothing, And so I was very disappointed.

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It bothered me. Now, look again, he just was in
you know, he was just he was just elected as
the pope. I pray for him, I really do. I
want him to have a very successful papacy. We are
in a very very difficult time, in very sinister, evil
times in the world. We need a steady, holy, wise

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man in the Vatican and as the Pope, and I
hope he rises to the challenge. But if I look
at his past, I look at his background, I look
at his statements, I look at his comments, I look
at his actions, we're looking at another left wing papacy
and another anti American, anti Trump, anti Maga, pro open borders,

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globalist papacy. And to me, that's the last thing America needs,
the world needs, and the Church needs. But that's me.
I want to hear from you, and believe me, I'm
open to being persuaded to change my mind. The last
thing I want to do is come out against the Pope,

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you know, the second he was elected. But I'm just
telling you, after everything I've seen, I'm worried and I
think there are some ominous signs. But that's me again.
Six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight.
So let me set the table. What do you make
of the fact that we now have the first American

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born pope in history? What do you make of Cardinal
Robert Francis Provo as the new Pope, Pope Leo the fourteenth.
Are you hopeful are you optimistic and in the long run,
do you like this pick or do you not like
this pick? Six one seven two six six sixty eight

(24:56):
sixty eight Dane in South Dakota. You're going to kick
us off, Dane. Thanks for holding and as always welcome.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yes, Jeff, as you say, you're not one hundred percent right,
and I agree with what you're saying, you're a thousand
percent right. And I'm going to tell you why I
was born and raised in Chicago. And I'll tell you
something I'm embarrassed to tell people I'm from Chicago. I
don't even say it anymore that I'm from Chicago because
it's such a liberal murder capital of the world now

(25:26):
that that that's what it's known for. Anyway, I'm going
to make a prediction here, Jeff. I'm gonna say, by
the time this pope finishes his term, you will see
the first pope in history performing a gay marriage. That's
my prediction. And you know, when I was fourteen years old,

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I was in high school in Chicago, and there was
one thing I noticed. I was stuck in my mind
from now until then. There was a Saint Mary's School,
and there was there was a baseball game and the
father Sullivan was there I think his name was, and
he's surrounded by all these little young boys, like six
eight years old. They were hanging on his leg and

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they were hugging him, and he was hugging them. And
he had a cigarette dangling. I never forgot I had
a cigarette dangling from his mouth. And first thing I think,
but that looks a little strange. I felt uncomfortable looking
at it. And later on, years later, there was so
many cases in Chicago of priests being prosecuted for pedophilia.

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And not to say that all priests are pedophilia, but
there was a big, big problem, okay, nationwide as we know,
many many cases. I'm sure there was plenty in Boston too.
And first and second of all, his agenda. He doesn't
control his agenda. The Jesuits, the Catholics, they they make

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his agenda. They tell him what to do. They are
going to control him. He thinks he might have his agenda.
But let me tell you something. Let you say, this
is all about climate change. This is the agenda of
the globalists. Okay, the whole organization is not what it
used to be. It's a facade. As far as I'm concerned.

(27:21):
And as far as you know, Chicago, the only thing
left in Chicago that you could be proud of is pizza,
Chicago hot dogs, and Italian beef sandwich. What say you? Oh?

Speaker 1 (27:32):
I agree, Chicago has really declined once a great, great
American city. And you're right. I mean, it's the city
is falling apart. I mean the murder rate. It's almost
becoming the murder capital, not just of America, the murder
capital of the Western hemisphere. You're right outside of the food,
the hot dogs and the pizza and the roast beef sandwich. Really,

(27:56):
what does Chicago have to offer? Six one seven sixty eight,
sixty eight is the number.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
No.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
When they first announced an American pope, let me be
brutally honest with all of you, I was thinking, no, no,
could it be Cardinal Burke, who's a you know, a
brilliant conservative. I said, no, come on, no. And then
the moment I heard, you know, it was Robert France's Provo,
I'm like, who the hell is Robert Francis Provo? I

(28:25):
never heard of the guy? And they said born in Chicago,
and the just all I had to hear was born
in Chicago. From Chicago, and I'm like, oh, no, oh, no, Chicago.
Just the Archdiocese of Chicago is known as one of
the liberal bastions in America. So the second I heard
he was from Chicago, I'm thinking, oh, he's one of these,

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you know, Obama Catholics, quote unquote. And then the more
I read, and the more I read, and then I
began looking at his tweets, and it was one after
another after another, and I'm thinking, you know, it's like
installing Joe Biden. Well, i mean he's cognitively there, so

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think Joe Biden when he had his marbles. It's like
putting Joe Biden in the papacy or Obama in the papacy.
That's that's what you're gonna get. It's the illegals. Borders
are evil, Trump is racist, mass deportations are you know,

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our sinful? Uh, the suffering, the suffering, the suffering, you know,
always about the criminals, always about the illegals, never about
the victims. And so when I saw that, I'm like, well,
it's pretty obvious Francis stacked the College of Cardinals. I mean,
I don't you know, I said it was rigged on

(29:53):
X last night I don't mean rigged as in they
stole it. I think it was legitimate two thirds majority.
I mean rigged in the sense it was just full
of his people, Francis's people, and so they were going
to get a left wing pro Francis pope. And one

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last very quick point, I've never seen this before. There's
videos now emerging of you know, then Cardinal Provo, the
how obsequious he is about Francis, constantly going on, what
a great Pope, what a magnificent pope, what a special man.

(30:40):
You can tell he's almost like an acolyte of Francis,
someone who was you know, obviously owes his entire career
and promotion to Francis. And then I've never heard of
this ever, This has never happened in a two thousand
year years of the papacy. Whenever you can take my

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look it up. Please don't take my word for it.
When there's always a new pope announced, he never ever references,
never mind thanking, he never references his predecessor. He's the
new pope. It's now his church. He's now the vicar
of Christ. He's now the shepherd for Catholics and Christians

(31:24):
and frankly all over the world for the way he
kept praising Francis, thanking Francis, and honestly, I'm thinking, yeah,
because you owe your papacy to him. Essentially, France has
made you from you know, beyond the grave. France has
made you pope. So the whole thing was honestly demoralizing.

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I was not happy again. I want to be hopeful.
I want to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I will pray for him. Anything can happen. The Holy
Spirit works in very mysterious ways. But so far, what
I see I see a very left wing, progressive church,
and I think it's going to get worse. I agree

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with Dane in South Dakota. I don't think this is
going to heal the divisions in the church. I think
this pick is going to exacerbate the divisions in the church.
That's me. I want to hear from you six one
seven two six, six, sixty eight, sixty eight. And I
think you're going to see him clashing with Trump again

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and again and again. And the media is hoping that
they can use this fact that he's an American born
pope as as a weapon against Trump to turn Pope
Leo the fourteenth into a hero of the resistance. That's

(32:53):
what they're really in. Other words, the Democratic Party is
in disarray. Now they may have found their man, with
the institutional backing of the church, to take Trump and
his administration head on. That's my fear. We shall see
Jim in Kingsborough. Thanks for holding Jim, and welcome.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Good morning, Jeff. How are you.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
How are you, Jim?

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Oh, hey, I'm just waking up, coming to Yeah, Jeff. Really,
I mean, the one thing that seems to be skipped
over all the time is the fact of separation or
church in state. I'm an agnostic. I don't really put
any stock in any of the writings of the teaching

(33:44):
of a Catholic church at all, because it was this
in nineteen seventies. I can remember a priest who is
I guess the leader of a church. His name was
Father Celeste. We dubbed him them molest.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Well.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
I cleaned his clock back in the seventies because of it. Uh,
he got caught red handed. No, no, no, The whole
thing is yeah, of course, you know, they blew the
white smoke out there. They canonized this clown, the pope.

(34:24):
I have no respect for any of that nonsense in
my book. You know, so, I really, I really wouldn't
be too concerned. And you know, I'm not at all surprised.
You know, I knew that they would replace the pope.
Big deal.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Hey, Jim, Jim, I'm just curious the fact that he
is an American born pope and the first and only
American pope in the history of the PA of the
Catholic Church. Is this a great moment in this sense?
Is this a great moment for the United States? Is
it a great moment for the American Catholic Church. President

(35:05):
Trump came out and said, it is a great honor
that for the first time ever, we have an American
in the Vatican at the head of the church.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
What say you, Well, I say he's going to regret
that statement because it's not going to make any bit
of difference in what's going on right now the way
it is. And of course, these literal moonbats, I think
they are all moonbats. Any Catholic is a moonbat.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Well, I mean, Jim, I'm not a moon bat.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
I know you you you know ject you believe what
you want to believe. I'm gonna live and let live.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Guy.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
You know, it's up to you how you want to
live your life and what you what you want to
believe in. I mean I could tell you, I could
I put everything in the common sense, Like, don't you
know I don't subscribe to any hocus pocus whatever you
want to call it. I mean, I don't even believe

(36:10):
in the resurrection, you know I have. I have a
whole different view on that too. I mean, hey, I
may be souring that. No, most no nobody would really
agree with it, that's you know. I mean I say,
I don't doubt people to believe what you believe, what
you want to believe.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
No, I agree with Jim. Look, I mean you know me,
I disagree with you on the Church and on God
and on Jesus. But let's you know that we live
in America. I believe in live and let live. I do.
I believe in freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom
of religion, freedom of belief. You're allowed to believe whatever
you want to believe. That's the beauty of this country.

(36:47):
It's a free country, and I hope it always remains
a free country. So Jim, please, I understand that. No, Jim, look,
I don't I think you touched on something. I think
Trump may live to regret the those words he spoke
from the heart. Of course, I understand that, and I
understand his pride. Believe me, because when I first heard

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it myself, I'm like, yes, you know, yes, finally, yes,
you know, an American now is pope. But man, now
he is not as outspoken as Francis. He's known to
be more quiet, just doesn't like the limelight as much,
doesn't like the cameras as much. Francis loved to talk.

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Francis love to go out and you know, give interviews
to the media and poke Trump and poke Maga and
go after people who were not progressives, even into his
own church. You know, he was he I mean, everyone says,
you know, Francis was so you know on a man
of empathy and compassion. Really, he didn't show much empathy

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for the Catholics in China when he sold them out
in that ridiculous in that outrageous deal he signed with Beijing.
He sold the Catholics in China right down the river.
He didn't show much empathy for traditionalists or conservatives in
the church. He persecuted them, he hounded them, he excommunicated them,
he tried to marginalize them, the Christians being annihilated and

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persecuted in Africa. He never said a word about them.
So you know, his empathy. It went towards gays, it
went towards lesbians, it went towards people who were pro abortion,
it went towards people who were environmentalists and climate change.
It was you know, transgendered people, Muslims, migrants, illegals. That's

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where his so called empathy was. But when fellow Christians
and Catholics are getting slaughtered by Islamis all over Africa, silence,
literally silence. Nefflicks are being brutally oppressed by the regime
in Beijing and trying to co opt the church in China,

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he said nothing. In fact, he accommodated Beijing, and man
did he drop the hammer against conservatives within the church.
So you know, to me, this idea, oh, such an
you know, a man of such empathy. No, No, he
was a very left wing pope, and to me, I

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think he's done tremendous institutional damage to the papacy and
to the church. Now we'll see, but this personality wise,
he's very different. He's not as combative as Pope Francis
doesn't like the limelight as much as Pope Francis doesn't
like to give interviews like Pope Francis. So maybe you know,

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he'll hold his tongue more and it'll be more of
a quiet papacy. We shall see, But so far I
think Francis Francis stacked it and he got the result
exactly that he wanted. You couldn't have a more committed

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Francis progressive Catholic than you do right now with Popolio
the fourteenth. I mean, Francis has got to be laughing
from the grave. So he transformed the church during his life,
and now he wants to continue to transform the church
after he's gone. Tony in Gloucester, thanks for holding Tony

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and welcome.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Thank you, Jeff. Well, we know, we knew it was stacked.
We knew it was going to be what it's going
to be. We prayed, we hoped otherwise. Now where do
I start. My wife brought up a great point some
time ago about all the illegals coming in, and very true,
she said, the reason they're here is the Catholic Church

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in those countries.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Has failed them.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
The Catholic Church in all those third world countries. They
all left in Venezuela, this one remaining priest. And the
other part about this is what happened to the days
when the church stood up to these communist regimes. The
church used to have a great group that would you know,
that wouldn't buckle to the communists in any in any way.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
But that's gone now.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
And I think the whole thing was planned. The Church
was in on it in you know, you know, taking
the priests out of these countries so that the people
were hold on, so that the people were in a
position where they didn't have any you know, they didn't
have the faith because the church wasn't there. And you

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know that's a big but we know for sure. Uh
Ushbishop Viegano, good for this. Papal nuncio here a friend
of Trump, and he talks constantly about the globalists in
the church and how they're taking over. And I have
one thing. If Trump is listening, wow, you know, if
he starts dashing the new pop dashing America, say to them, well,

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if you hate America so much, why don't you We're
not your citizenship. Since you hate us so much, why
would you want to be associated with us? I bet
you that would drive.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
The long puts.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
That's an excellent point, Tony, on every count No, look,
I agree with you. You know I said this to someone
once and it really it was a very liberal Catholic
and they didn't know what to say. You know, love
the migrants, the migrants, We have to be with the migrants.
I said, you know, why doesn't the church speak out

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against these socialist dictator dictatorships, these Marxist tyrants who are
causing all of this economic misery and poverty and oppression
that is driving people to leave their countries. I said,
you know, the church used to be magnificent and how

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they spoke out against communist regimes and corrupt socialist regimes.
They used to always denounce human rights violations, corruption, uh,
you know, persecuting ordinary people. Instead, now they're silent. Venezuela
is a deeply Catholic country. Where is the church against

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Javez before? Now against Maduro? Nowhere? Look at what Cuba,
Look what the castros of dont to Cuba. Look at
these Central American countries that have been failed by these
socialists strong men over and over and over again. Yet
where is the church nowhere? So how about criticizing the

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people that have created the conditions for these migrants to leave.
You know, there was a I don't know which piece
it was. I was reading multiple pieces on the pope yesterday,
and they said, oh, when he was in northern Peru
and as a missionary and then later as a bishop,
he had a front row seat to the misery of

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these migrants and what's driving them to come to the
United States. And I remember as I read this, and
I said, and did he ever speak out against the
Peruvian socialist regime who implemented the very policies that destroyed Peru? No? No,
how about he had a front row seat to that.

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Did he say anything? No, Now, it's always America has
to take him in. America has to take him in. Well,
I'm sorry, why doesn't the Vatican take him in.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Here?

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yesterday? Did you notice yesterday?

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Here?

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Just look at yesterday, Okay, it was packed packed obviously
Saint Peter Square. Did you see one illegal alien? Was
there one migrant? One? You know why? Because it is
illegal for illegal aliens to enter Vatican City. So you
look at the Vatican itself, forty feet high walls. They're

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going on about, oh, you can't build the wall. Walls
are immoral, Yeah, if walls are immoral, and tear down
all those walls that are protecting the Vatican. So here
you have the Vatican which is walled off insular, wealthy,
I'm sorry, privileged, I'm using the left's term now very privileged.

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That it is illegal for any illegal alien to enter
Vatican City. And if you're an illegal and you decide
to try to get into Vatican City, you know what
happens to you? They deport you gone. So the question
I had for Francis is the question now I have
for Poplio. Deportations are so wrong. If cracking down on

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illegal aliens is so wrong, if having secure borders is
so wrong, then if having walls are so wrong, then
how come you do it? That's what you do, That's
literally what you do. You're a bunch of hypocrites. And look,

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let's cut to the chase. Why did they elect him.
They elected him to be a bulwark against Trump, to
be a critic against Trump, there's no question, now, okay,
but they also elected him for something else, and I
think that's why they said, we acting frankly on this one,
we need an American pope. We need one to counter
Trump two money. Money. It's all about the money now

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because of these massive sex abuse scandals that have been
plaguing the church for decades, which Francis in particular. I'm
just calling it the way I see it, covered up,
covered up, swept under the rug. So it's been payout
after payout after payout, settlement after settlement after settlement. The papacy,

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the Vatican people don't know this. Their finances are in
a mess. The Roman Catholic Church is now on the
verge of bankruptcy. It is almost a bankrupt church. Why
because they've had to shell out so much money to

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the victims of these sex abuse scandals that the church
deliberately tried to suppress and cover up. So they are
now desperate for money. They're desperate for cash. And the
church now and it's not just the Catholic Church, the Lutherans,
I can give you all the groups. There's now a
big Jewish organization. It's not just the Catholics, Okay, it's Lutherans.

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There's a Jewish group, there's many of them. Protestants. Orthodox
Christians now we're getting in on the racket. Okay, there's
a big Orthodox Christian group as well. They have now
become modern day human traffickers. Catholic charities, these non governmental
organizations getting not millions, literally billions of dollars billions with

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a b to bring migrants across borders, not just into
the United States, all across Europe, into Australia, into New Zealand,
into Canada, wherever you can move people there they are.
So you needed an American pope because they need the

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money that they can get from an American pope who
now is going to push for even more open borders,
more migration, more illegal immigration, so they can rack up
more money and charge more money. That's what this is
all about. They need the migrants to line their pockets

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because their coffers are empty. Now I'm sorry we went
You know, that's not the Holy Spirit. That's not praying
and choosing a pope with the eyes on God and
what's best for the Church and Catholics and Christians all
over the world. So this is the pickle. Now the

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church is in and you know you mentioned you know
it's it's actually pronounced vigano. I know when we americanized
it with vigano, but literally it's vigano. Uh. Look what
Pope Francis did Lake Paupe Francis did the Vigano Archbishop Vigno,
he exc communicated him, He excommunicated him for telling the truth.

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So look how intolerant he was towards conservatives and traditionalists