The BBB Nears the Finish Line

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, cooner. Contrary. Okay, my friends, they are still
going through in the Senate as I talk to you now,
they're still going through the so called vote rama, voting
on one amendment after another after another on Trump's historic,

(00:20):
big beautiful bill, his tax and spending package, which we
shall see whether he has the votes to pass. It
looks like he does, as I talked about yesterday, and
nothing has really changed. Tom Tillis that Rhino senator from
North Carolina is a hard no. Rand Paul Kentucky Libertarian,

(00:43):
another hard no. However, Lisa Murkowski's been quiet, Susan Collins quiet,
Rick Scott quiet, Ron Johnson quiet. Now Thon thinks and
says he thinks he's got the votes. They can still
lose one more. Remember it's fifty three forty seven, that's

(01:04):
the majority the Republicans have in the Senate, and so
they can lose up to three votes, and then it's
fifty to fifty, and then JD. Vance, the Vice President,
would come in and be the one who casts the
deciding vote, so they can bleed one more vote. If
it's two votes, it goes down. And so we shall

(01:28):
see over the next I guess six eight hours. They
are expected to finally vote on it today sometime in
the afternoon or later in the evening. That's what people
now are projecting. Now, what is interesting is not just
that the Democrats are all against the bill and are

(01:49):
doing everything they can to wreck it, to sabotage it,
to undermine it. And of course you have these Republicans now,
these Republican judases, as I mentioned Tillis and ran Paul,
who have stabbed Trump in the back. But now Elon
Musk at the eleventh hour is doing everything in his

(02:12):
human power to try to bring down the bill and
scuttle it. And here's exactly what he said. According now
to a post that he put up on x just yesterday,
Elon said, every single Republican senator who campaigned on bringing

(02:33):
down the debt and deficits, who ends up voting for
this bill a should be ashamed of himself or herself.
But then said, and I will spend a fortune, if
need be, to primary that person and have that individual defeated.
So he is now vowing political retribution in many ways

(02:57):
of political jihad. But then he went even further. He
then went on to say that we no longer live
in a true democracy where you have a two party
system with real differences between Republicans and Democrats. According to Elon,

(03:17):
he says, this bill is proof, and the deficit and
debt that continues to skyrocket and pile up is proof
that we live his words in a one party America,
a uniparty America in which there are no real fundamental

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differences between Republicans and Democrats, that they both, no matter what,
when they get to power, spend spend, spend, and rack
up trillions and trillions onto the national debt. And so,
according to Elon Musk, what we have is not just

(03:59):
a un but what he calls the porky pig Party.
And he says that this bill in particular is laden
with pork, laden with outrageous spending, which he says negates
everything that he endoged tried to accomplish. And he is

(04:20):
now urging every Republican, every independent, every Democrat to call
up their member of Congress, whether it's in the Senate
or if it does pass the Senate later today it
has to go through the House, to call every House
member and to vote no on the bill, to torpedo

(04:42):
the big beautiful bill. And then he issued a final warning.
If the Big Beautiful Bill passes the Senate and then
passes the House and Trump signs it, and remember there's
a kind of a self imposed deadline. It's not carved
in stone, but they'd like to have it all done

(05:03):
by Friday July fourth, or at least July fourth weekend.
That if the Big Beautiful Bill passes the Senate, the
House and signed by Trump, Elon says, I will go nuclear.
I will trigger the nuclear option, the political option. He
will form a third party, he will bankroll a third party.

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He will call it the America Party, a party that
will seek to defeat both Democrats, Republicans, Donald Trump, and
whoever the Democrats put up in twenty twenty eight. So,
in other words, he says, like Samson, he is going
to bring the temple down on both Republicans and Democrats

(05:51):
for daring to vote for the Big Beautiful Bill and
passing it. And according to him, the great crime in
this bill is that, he says, it will add in
total four to five trillion dollars to the national debt,
taking US from thirty six trillion thirty seven trillion to

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about forty one or forty two trillion and according to Elon,
this level of debt is unsustainable the interest of finance
the debt is unsustainable, and it is literally, according to Elon,
literally putting the United States on the path to national bankruptcy.
We are going to go broke, he says, it's only

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a matter of a couple of years. That's why he's
going to go all in and form a third party. Now,
with all of this being said, I want you to
listen now to John Fetterman, because this is the kind
of quality, the kind of top notch senators that we

(06:57):
have up on Capitol Hill who clearly are working for
our best interests. Okay, this is the kind of political
talent that we have. Remember, the Senate is supposed to
be the most deliberative body in the world. These are
all supposed to be geniuses, statesmen, grand orators. These are

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you know, the greatest lawmakers that have ever lived. That's
how the Senate brands itself. Listen now to Fetterman. Role
They've been working at this for a couple nights in
a row, doing all nighter after all nighter. Now they're
working on all these amendments and the vote rama continues
on Trump's megabill and they're tired. They've had to work

(07:42):
for a few days. Listen now to Fetterman roll cut one. Mike,
did you get any clues on the floor of that?
What time do you think?

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Rat?

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Oh, my god, I just want to go home. I've
already I've missed our entire trip to.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
The beach.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
My family's going to be back before we leave on
so and again, I'm going to vote. Know there's no trauma.
The votes are going to go. In fact, the only
interesting votes are going to be on the margin, whether
that's Collins or Johnson and those but all the Democrats,
we all know how that's going to go. And I
think I don't think it's really helpful to put people

(08:24):
here to let someone.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Godly out or in Again, thank you, sir. So there
you go. He missed his vacation with his family, that
they had an entire trip, the whole trip to the beach.
He missed it. My family's going to be back before
I even get back, he says. So he's missed the
whole vacation. My god, he says, how can this. I

(08:46):
just want to go home. I don't want to be here.
I don't want to do this and I'm annull. The
Democrats are annull. And now the question is will Collins
backstab Trump? Susan Collins Rhino senator from Maine, or is
Ron Johnson from Wisconsin going to backstab Trump? That's the
only question now. And so I just want to go

(09:08):
home now? Am I the only one? This is dude?
This is your job, man, this is your job. It's
your job. You can't do your job. And by the way,
they're not even asking him to wear a freaking suit.
He goes in there like a slob and his sweatpants

(09:30):
and his jym shorts. By the way, he's got multiple
offices up on Capitol Hill. It's air conditioned. They had
I'm not kidding, beds, leather couches, well stalked fridge. I mean,
you know, you can sleep, dude. You can eat, you
can sleep, you can lay on the couch and watch TV.

(09:52):
And then when they need you for a vote, you
just get your you know, get your rear end off
the couch and go in there and you know, make
in your sweat sweatpants and then make your vote and
go back and keep sleeping. I mean, it's it's really,
it's not that hard. Man. So, look, I disagree with
Elon Musk. I mean, I think he's right. We do

(10:14):
have to tackle the dead and the deficit, there's no question.
But what's the alternative. You're not gonna pass a massive
tax cut for the American people. We're not gonna have
no tax on tips. We're not gonna have no tax
on overtime. You're not gonna permanently change border security in

(10:35):
our country by completing the wall and giving Ice all
of the manpower, resources, people that they need to be
able to deport all of the millions and millions of
illegals that Joe Biden allowed into our country. We're not
gonna rebuild our military. Six one seven two six, six

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sixty eight, sixty eight is the number. Okay. I want
to ask all of you, what do you make now
of Elon Musk saying that this is a porky pig
bill for a porky pig Una party, blasting Republicans. In fact,
he says, anybody who votes for this big, beautiful bill,

(11:18):
he is going to make it his personal mission to
primary and defeat in the twenty twenty six midterms. But
he's now going even further, saying if this bill becomes
law if it gets through the Senate today and passes
the House later this week. If it's if it gets
to President Trump's desk and he signs it, Elon will

(11:41):
personally bankroll and put billions and billions and billions of
dollars of his vast fortune into creating a third party,
what he calls an America Party that will be both
anti Democrat and anti Trump. What do you make of

(12:01):
Elon now threatening to, as I said, the Samson option,
just bring the temple down on everybody and everything, and furthermore,
the big beautiful bill. As things stand right now, there
are two Republican senators. By the way, every Democrat is
a staunch no. They are an implacable no. So the

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Republicans can only lose three votes in the Senate. They've
lost Ran Paul, They've lost Tom Tillis. They may lose
Ron Johnson or Susan Collins. If that's the case, it'll
be fifty to fifty and they need jd Vance to
put it over the top. It is a razor razor

(12:47):
thin margin. And what is now worrying some Republicans. The
change is made to the Senate version of the bill,
which the House now is going to have to vote
on May anger enough moderate Rhino centrist House Republicans that
they may not vote for the bill now in its

(13:09):
current form. So this is going to be incredibly tight.
It is going to be, you know, if Trump is
going to have to thread the needle again. Thomas Massey
is already a no in the House. So basically House Republicans,
should this get to the House, can maybe afford two,

(13:30):
maybe three defections. That's it. That's it. There is one
rhino now, watch out for him. His name is Don
Bacon from Nebraska. He is a rabbit anti Trump rhino
in many ways, he's a Democrat masquerading as a Republican.
He has now announced his retirement in the House. He

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now has come out and said I will vote no
on this bill and potentially torpedo Trump's presidency. So they
they've already got two hard knows in the House on
top of two hard nos in the Senate. With such
close margins, this is going to take some really good

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maneuvering by John Thune, Speaker Mike Johnson, JD Vance, who's
been quarterbacking all of this for President Trump and President
Trump himself and so Elon now, sensing blood in the water,
now believes that he can make the final push that
will convince enough Republicans to bolt fearing a primary challenge

(14:43):
bankrobed funded by him, to abandon the president and not
just sink the bill. Let's be very very clear, if
the bill goes down, this will do tremendous damage to
Trump's presidency. In many ways, his presidency is on the line.

(15:03):
So many of his campaign pledges, promises, and priorities have
been squeezed into this bill. I mean, I'm just giving
you the most obvious extending the twenty seventeen tax cuts
and making them permanent. No taxes on tips, no taxes
on overtime, by the way, huge tax cuts for factory construction.

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So this thing is going to unleash a massive economic boom.
Steven Miller and Tom Holman have come out and said,
this is the best border security the provisions in the bill,
this is the best border security bill, maybe in the
last sixty to seventy years, maybe in the last one
hundred years. It will finish the wall, it will permanently

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seal the border, and it will put hundreds of billions
into mass deportations. So that we can get rid of
all of the illegals that Biden came in. This is
going to really beef off ice border patrol and DHS
so they can go into sanctuary cities and just clean

(16:14):
them out one by one. Holman says, you're insane if
you don't vote for this bill just on the border
provisions alone. Then you have what it's going to do
to rebuild our navy, in our military. It's also going
to unleash American dominance, energy dominance, more oil refineries, more

(16:35):
natural gas refineries. It is going to help drive the
cost of energy down. It's going to save money for
us on our electrical bills, our heating bills, the price
that we pay at the pump. There is so much
in this bill that is going to fulfill Trump's fundamental
campaign promises. And yet here we stand Trump has already

(17:01):
lost two votes in the Senate, maybe a third vote,
we shall see, and he may need JD Vance to
put it over the top, and then its fate is
uncertain in the House. And you now have Elon looking
to put the knife in and by sinking the bill,
he knows perfectly well he is sinking the singular achievement

(17:25):
of Trump's second term, the Big Beautiful Bill, and everything
that he has promised to deliver for the American people. Now,
let me just say this, Yes, we have a problem
with the debt and the deficit. Nobody's been saying it
more often than the Cooner Man. But this is not

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the time or the place to enact unrealistic spending cuts
that Democrats will never support, Rhinos will never support. This
will never pass the House, never pass the Senate if
you put in deep spending cuts. This is fantasy on

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the part of Elon Musk. And as Trump has said repeatedly,
after the bill has passed, we can pass what are
called recisions. In other words, it's not as if for
ten years now there's nothing we can do to rein
in or bring down the debt or the deficit. So
if they're really serious about codifying the Doache cuts, they can. Okay,

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I want to ask all of you really three questions. Okay,
I know isay and talk radio you should only ask one.
But with the quality of Cooner Country this audience, we
can easily ask three. In fact, even more so, Number one,
do you support the Big Beautiful Bill? Do you think
Senate Republicans should pass it. And then if it does

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pass the Senate, which it looks like it will, fingers crossed,
should the House republic can pass it and deliver it
to President Trump for his signature by July fourth or
the July fourth weekend. Or are you against it? In
other words, do you agree, say with Senator Ran Paul
or Elon Musk, do you think this is a bad

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bill ultimately for the country and the Republicans should vote
it down. I want to hear from you. Six one
seven two six, six sixty eight sixty eight is the number.
And then, really, Elon Musk, he's now threatening to primary
any Republican that votes for this bill. And as he

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put it, he's calling it a we live in a
once a one party country, a uni party what he
calls the porky pig party. It's all pork it's all
reckless spending, wasteful spending, full of fraud and abuse, massive
deficits and debt. He's it's going to rack up at

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least four or five trillion on the national credit card.
And Elon says, now, this is so irresponsible. These are
his words that if this bill passes, he will start
a third party. He's going to call it the America
Party as an alternative to take down MAGA and to
take down the Democrats. What say you? Is Elon right?

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Or is Elon wrong? Six one seven two six six
sixty eight sixty eight is the number? Okay, very quickly,
this is a White House video from Moms workers, middle
class people who are almost begging the Senate to pass

(20:50):
the big beautiful bill. They say they need relief, and
they need relief. Now, Roll cut, Mike.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
My name is de Sova. I've been in the trucking
industry for thirty four years. My name's Donna Boyd. I'm
from Bath, North Carolina. I'm a nurse practitioner. I've been
a nurse for almost twenty years now.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
My name is Chris Bradford. I look at Dee Boil Services.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
I'm Angelina. I'm a mom bascheador with Moms for America.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
My name is Teresa Thompson. I'm from Summit, New Jersey.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
I'm James Benson.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
I'm a third generation autoworker and I'm from Campton, Michigan.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
As nurses, we do pick up a lot of overtime
and I think that this will put a.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
Lot of hard earned.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
Money back into American nurses pockets.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
The no tax on overtime would be massive for the
oil field in general.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
These tax credits, we're really a lifeline for our family
a little while ago.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
The Big Beautiful Bill right now touches us because I'm
also a mom of a special needs son who's thirty two. Finally,
we have promises by Donald J. Trump that have come
through in the Big Beautiful Bill that is going to
reinvigorate the middle class, the backbone of our country.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
When the economy is moving, we all win.

Speaker 7 (22:08):
I'm happy to be here to support the President and
this administration, and I hope everybody else is too.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Please pass the one big, lautiful doll pass it. I'm
begging Republicans don't commit political suicide and don't blow up
Trump's presidency. But that's me. I want to hear from you, Dave,
our Western PA constitutionalist correspondent, Thanks for holding and welcome Dave.

Speaker 8 (22:39):
Good morning, Jeff.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
How are you doing?

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Very good? Dave? How are you good?

Speaker 8 (22:44):
Jeff?

Speaker 9 (22:44):
I'm wanting to send a warning out to all these
rhinos and people that are.

Speaker 8 (22:49):
On the sense with this bill. You better vote for
it or We're coming for you if Jeff, if I
need tourround here in Pennsylvania. Reactivate the Ota Party movement, Buddy.
Back when I was living in I was just shortly
before I left it moved out here. I was one
of the Tea Party leaders in Massachusetts, Jeff. But now
it's not about means well, we get to get this done, Jeff.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Dave, what do you think about Musk? Musk is really
intensifying his criticism of the bill. It's almost like a
political mission now for him. He is determined to bring
it down. He's threatening to primary anyone who votes for it.
And now he's telling Trump and Maga, you guys back
this bill. I'm going third party. What do you make

(23:34):
now of Musk saying we'll create even a third party
if we have to, but you can't vote for this bill.
Is Musk gonna do it? Is he gonna break this bill?
And do we need a third party? Mike, David, sorry Dave,
forgive me.

Speaker 8 (23:50):
Uh yeah, we could use a third party, Jeff, but
not right now. In Trump is right, first of all
with Elon. He's a great man. He's done a lot
of good things. But don't turn you back on President
Trump again. Please don't we need you. We need you
on the team. Elaun, stay with the team and do
the right thing.

Speaker 9 (24:08):
And Jeff, I like to add, if we don't pass this,
this is going to cause an economic upheaval after July fook.
I mean, all those tax cuts that were implemented by
Trump in the first time are going to be gun,
pushed aside, and then the Democrats going to blame Trump
for the bad economy. Of course, you know that that's
their game. That's the only wild card.

Speaker 8 (24:27):
They got in their hand. They're dealt uh Dave.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
I think you hit the nail right on the head.
I mean, that's another very powerful argument in favor of
passing the bill. They don't pass the bill, you know,
then I still have six months, right, the tax cuts
don't expire until the end of this year. But you're right,
it's going to be a four trillion dollar tax increase.
It is going to hammer the economy. It's going to

(24:52):
hammer our wallets. All of our taxes are going to
go up. And frankly, I need a tax increase like
I need a hole in the head. But you're right,
it is. It's going to probably push the economy into
a recession, and the Democrats are going to pin it
right on Trump and they're going to ride that into
the midterms. So that's why I think a lot of
these Republicans that are voting against the bill, they're committing

(25:15):
political suicide for their party. This is suicide. You know,
I couldn't you know. You may disagree with me to
the audience, but Dave, I think you're right to me
vote for this bill and you're going to see the
economy roar. But if this bill goes under, I'm with you, Dave.
I think you're going to see a recession. I think

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you're going to see huge tax increases and they're gonna
blame Trump, and they're gonna blame the Republicans, and you
may see the Democrats now you may you may be
seeing a blue wave in the twenty twenty six midterms. Dave,
as always dynamite stuff. Thank you very much for that call.
Dave six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty

(25:56):
eight agree, disagree. Mark in New Hampshire, Thanks for holding
Mark and welcome.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
By good morning buddy, Mark.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
How are you afraid?

Speaker 5 (26:11):
Live in the dream?

Speaker 1 (26:12):
But every day, every day, Mark, what do you make
of this? Mark? Are you in favor of the bill?
Should the Republicans poss it?

Speaker 5 (26:23):
Well, look, you know, there is a lot of stuff
in this bill that that's.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
Awesome, you know. I mean you've touched on, you know,
quite a few of them.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
You know, in a way I see Elon Musk's point.
You know, he was brought into cut spending. You know,
those just brought in to do all this.

Speaker 7 (26:43):
You know, they haven't really done much.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
Of anything as far as cutting spending. And you know,
I do love Washington speak when they say, oh, we're
cutting spending.

Speaker 7 (26:53):
It's just what they're doing.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
Is not increasing it as much as they were going
to increase it.

Speaker 7 (26:58):
So that's technically a cut.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
Ye. But you know, but but let that go right.

Speaker 7 (27:06):
You know, I.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
Part of me looks at this and says, yet again,
we're doing what we always do, which is make these
massive bills and then put a lot of great.

Speaker 7 (27:19):
Stuff in it.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
You know, the tax cuts, there's no tax on tips,
boarder security, you know, manufacturing all this stuff gets this great,
and then you put this garbage in over here.

Speaker 7 (27:30):
So that when some people look at it and go,
I can't vote for this stuff, they say, you're an American,
you want to increase taxes, you want to know.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
It's like, no, why can't we just have bills for
those Let's just have you know, whatever happens to Let's
do you know, ten separate bills and vote on these
things instead of.

Speaker 7 (27:48):
One massive bill.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
But that's not how Washington works any anymore. It's easy
to create these gigantic bills and always have something in
there that you don't want. You know, it's there's always
near a point at and day, well you'll vote for this,
then you hate puppy, you know. It's like, how do
you look at this and and and be one happy

(28:12):
with it? I don't think anybody is. I think everybody
looked at it and said.

Speaker 7 (28:15):
Well, you know, you're gonna have to deal with it.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Mark, can you please hang on? Takes one, seven, two, six, six,
sixty eight, sixty eight is the number Trump on the brink. Uh,
There's no question about it. It's he's on a razor's
edge right now. He If the Democrats can block him,
along with Rhino Republicans, it will be a massive blow
to his presidency. However, if they can put this bill

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over the top, both in the Senate and then in
the House, it will be the capstone to his presidency
and really set him up now for the next three
and a half years. Six one seven two six, six
sixty eight, sixty eight is the number. Okay, let's go
right back to Mark in New Hampshire. As usual, was
making some very intelligent points, very perceptive points. There's a

(29:04):
lot in this bill that is absolutely dynamite for the
United States. It will bring back manufacturing. It will extend
the tax cuts, no cuts, sorry, no taxes on over time,
no taxes on tips, which is going to be phenomenal
for working people in particular. It is going it is
the toughest border security is the toughest border security provisions

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maybe in a hundred years. It will fund the entire
mass deportation of all of Biden's illegals. It will rebuild
our military. It will unleash oil and natural gas development
here in the United States. That's why the price of
gas is predicted to go down by at least over

(29:49):
a dollar per gallon over the next year should this
bill pass. So there is a lot there, believe me.
But then there's the pork And just to emphasize Mark's point,
to get Lisa Markowski from Alaska a rhino to buy in.
They have given Alaska and given Markowski because she asked

(30:13):
for him, eleven separate carveouts that only benefit Alaska. And
it's costing tens and tens of billions of dollars. And
so this is how the sausage is made. It's not pleasant.
It's really I don't like it, to be honest, I
really don't. But it's a big bill. And that's the

(30:35):
problem with these big bills. As Mark said, it's loaded
with a lot of garbage. Some excellent stuff, but garbage.
Would you vote for the bill Mark in New Hampshire?
I gotta ask you, buddy, if you were Senator Mark
from New Hampshire, would you vote for this bill? Yes?
Or no?

Speaker 5 (30:58):
No? I, as much as I would have to hold
my nose, yeah, I would probably.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Vo vote for it.

Speaker 7 (31:06):
You know.

Speaker 5 (31:07):
My thing was that this whole thing, though, just is
and you even said it. Yeah, we'll have spending cuts,
just not right now.

Speaker 7 (31:16):
That's that's been the.

Speaker 5 (31:17):
Comment for probably thirty years jetson this, Reagan. You know, yeah,
we'll do spending cuts.

Speaker 8 (31:24):
Just just you know, let's just get this.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
Done and then we'll work on spending cuts.

Speaker 7 (31:29):
Here's the problem.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
Yet, a president really only has about a year and
a half to get anything done, because.

Speaker 7 (31:36):
As soon as you get into that second year.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
Six months into it, it's the midterms of coming. We
can't do anything crazy. We start talking spending cuts, now
we're gonna lose control. We're gonna lose our control of
the House, and then the other side is gonna take control.
You know, this is the problem. I don't think anyone
in Washington separate. Maybe just a couple people are actually serious.

(32:00):
It's about like actually cutting spending, you know, shrinking the debt.
I think most of them are happy with just signing
their names to bills and you know, you know, voting
on stuff that just jacks up the debt. I mean,
it's not their money. They just keep blowing through it.

Speaker 7 (32:17):
They look at it as you know, we'll just keep keep.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
Our power if we can keep spending the money that
we're spending. And and you know, sure it's gonna be
the economy I'm sure is gonna boom after this thing passes.

Speaker 7 (32:28):
Jeff, I don't have any doubt.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
At all that that that that's gonna happen. It's probably
gonna be great for us, you know, great for the
working class, great for ours, you know, keeping the border safe.
I have no problem with any of that. It's just
the attitude that, yeah, just do it now and then
then we'll work on spending, knowing full well that by
the time this is implemented will be too close to

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the midterms to even consider cutting spending.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Mark, what do you make of Elon holding now the
proverbial gun to the heads of well, really to the
Republican Party, but especially to all Republicans that vote for
the bill, and in many ways the Trump as well,
saying you know you signed this bill, or to the
Republicans in the center of the House, you vote for

(33:15):
this bill, and I'm gonna I'm gonna pour billions, not
just the primary you, but we're going to create a
new political party, the America Party, and we're gonna do
this to defeat both Democrats and Trump Maga Republicans. Do
you think Elon is serious or do you think he's
just playing mind games?

Speaker 5 (33:38):
I think in a way he is serious about it.
You know, maybe he was a little naive to think
that he could come in and put these you know,
cuts in and Congress would go along with it, and
they would act on what he says, and you know,
he's done the CEO of some great companies, some amazing businesses.

Speaker 7 (33:59):
But Washington is.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
A different animal. You know, It's not like a business,
and you can't come in and say, look, if we
do all this, we're gonna cut all.

Speaker 7 (34:07):
These all this spending. Yeah, that's that's terrific.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
But then we're gonna take those cuts and we're gonna
double it up. We're gonna spend twice as much, because that's.

Speaker 7 (34:16):
How Washington is.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
You know, do I do I like what Elon's doing.

Speaker 7 (34:22):
I don't know. I don't. I don't think he you know,
I don't think he really should.

Speaker 5 (34:26):
I think he should be, you know, a little less
vocal about it.

Speaker 7 (34:29):
But I mean, at the same.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Time, I do get what he's trying to.

Speaker 7 (34:33):
Say, which is, you guys promised me spending cuts.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
You know, you guys ran on cutting this debt, and
yet here we are once again doing what we always do,
which is, you know, jacking up the debt, you know,
increasing spending. But again, you know, there's two sides of this.
One side he out we're raising the debt, but the
other side is we're gonna fix a lot of the
crap that Biden dumped on him. So I guess you

(35:00):
have to swallow that bitter pill and just hope that that,
you know, the revenue comes into the federal government from
all these you know, increases in jobs and production and
you know the economy.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
And the tariffs. No, you're right, No, Mark, you add
in the tariffs, which is bringing in massive revenue. You're
going to bring in you know, all of the new
jobs that are going to be created. It's going to
expand the tax base. Tax revenue is going to pour
into the into the federal coffers. That's why Trump keeps
saying over and over again, he goes, trust me, I
have a plan. The economy booms. You combine that with tariffs,

(35:37):
You combine that with energy dominance, You combine that with
some cuts are going to be making, say in the
federal bureaucracy and usaid and foreign aid. By the way,
they're going to trim medicaid. They've got work requirements now
for medicaid in this bill. I'd like them to be
even tougher. To be honest, under Clinton, you have to

(35:58):
work forty hours a week. This bill, you only have
to work twenty hours a week. If you're an able
bodied person to qualify for Medicaid. I like to be forty.
But still it's got work requirements, it's got some reform.
So Trump is saying, look, trust me on this. You
know this is not you know one Bill, and then
I'm done for three and a half years. So Trump

(36:21):
is saying, I will put us on a solid fiscal
economic position, but the economy has to boom. We have
to undo the damage of the Biden years. So Mark,
I always appreciate it when you call. So basically, Mark
says he's a yes. If he was Senator Mark from
New Hampshire, wouldn't like doesn't like the pork. Would have

(36:42):
to hold his nose for some of this. But overall,
he says, the good outweighs the bad. Do you agree?
Six one seven two sex Sex sixty eight, sixty eight.
Oh my god, do my eyes deceive me. Lazarus has
risen from the dead. He's back. We haven't heard from

(37:03):
him in a while. Bill in Sudbury, Bill, we missed you.
It's been a while, my friend.

Speaker 8 (37:12):
Good morning, Jeff.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
How are you? Bill?

Speaker 8 (37:14):
Just fine?

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Just fine?

Speaker 8 (37:15):
I hope you have a nice fourth.

Speaker 6 (37:17):
But here's the thing, Jeff.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
If he changes his mind next week and vetos it
because it's too laden with pork, you will call that
three dimensional chess. So you don't really.

Speaker 6 (37:29):
Care what's in the bill.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
All you want is the wind. All he wants is
to come out and say I want I got.

Speaker 8 (37:36):
What I wanted.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
But if he changes his mind and says and vetos
it like he did with the wall in his first term,
you'll say, oh, that's brilliant.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Well, Bill, I don't really know what you're talking about.
He desperately wants his bill. It's his bill. He's the
one that wanted a one big, beautiful bill. He has
been quarterbacking this along with jd Vance for six months now.
He is arm twisting Republicans to vote for the bill.

(38:06):
He in fact knocked out Tom Tillis, the Senator from
North Carolina. When Tillis came out and said he was
a hard no. Trump was so upset he said, we're
gonna get a primary challenger, and Tillis was forced to retire.
He's gonna serve out his term. But that's it. He's
not running for reelection, so he's not vetoing this bill.
No way in hell is he going to veto this bill.

(38:29):
And look, I'll even go further. I'll go on the record.
This will never happen. Trump will sign that bill, Okay,
as surely as the sun will rise tomorrow. But if
by some miracle, Trump vetos the bill, I'm gonna blast him.
And I'll tell you why I'm gonna blast them. I
want to say, you just committed political here.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
He care.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
You asked for the bill, It's got everything you wanted
in the bill, and you're going to destroy your own presidency.
He vetos this bill, his presidency is dead in the water.
In fact, that's the argument he's making to everybody who
will listen to him. So Bill, A, he's never going
to veto the bill. That's a fantasy. And B. If

(39:14):
this bill goes down, I don't care if the Senate
votes against it, or the House votes against it, or
Trump himself vetos it, which I'm telling you he never will,
then Trump's presidency is in big trouble. So no, the
Big Beautiful Bill. If the Big Beautiful Bill collapses, Trump's

(39:34):
presidency collapses. You have me on the record.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Bill, Oh, I think if he came out next week
and said it's too laden with port the Senate and
the House has just completely destroyed it. It doesn't resemble
anything that I want, and I'm going to veto it.
You would say that was brilliant, and that was.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Three Yeah, I know, But Billy, see, now you're being
at hominem. That's what No. I've just said to you.
What I'm going to say, There's no way you can
turn down a bill with these kinds of historic tax
cuts that is going to lead to one of the
greatest economic expansions in American history. Do you know what

(40:16):
no taxes on tips will mean for working class people,
no tax on overtime? Extending these tax cuts. Do you
know what permanently securing the border and deporting millions and
millions and millions of illegal aliens will mean for our country?
How this is going to increase wages for ordinary Americans

(40:40):
and take away the pressure of all these illegals being
on welfare and sucking up our public resources and our
social services. How it's going to lead to the reduction
and crime. I mean, I could go on and on
the energy provisions alone. Remember it was your guy that
led in all these millions and flooded our country with

(41:02):
this invasion. It was your guy that gave us historic inflation.
It was your guy that crippled the economy. It was
your guy that waged war on oil and natural gas.
Those are facts. So we're gonna have gas at two
dollars a gallon, We're going to see our electricity, our

(41:24):
energy bills go down, probably by fifty percent, and Trump
is gonna veto all that he'd be insane. He'd be insane.
So again, you're just trying to make ad hominem attacks
that I'm a blind follower of Trump, which is a lie,
that the Trump's support is a cult, which is a lie.

(41:47):
Everything Biden did you blessed. You never criticized Biden once,
even the stuff that was so obvious, like the collapse
in Afghanistan, the debacle in Afghanistan, which now every Democrat
says was not just a disaster for America but a
political disaster for Biden that he never recovered from, and

(42:09):
you still support it to this day. So Bill, you're
trying to claim an argument about me that's false. I mean,
I don't know what else to tell you. A final
word to you, Bill.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Revenge for Biden? Or is it about the future of America?
Because when you're questioned, you go right to you just
hate me or something in the past that somebody did wrong,
So that justifies what you're doing. Now, is this about
revenge for the past or is this about actually doing
something good for the future, Because.

Speaker 8 (42:45):
You don't seem to be clear on that.

Speaker 7 (42:47):
You go back and forth.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Well, no, it's about undoing the damage. Yes, revenge the damage.
Well no, it's not revenge. When you take a business
and you run it into the ground, which is what
Biden did to the country, you bring in a CEO
to turn it around, and he undoes the destructive policies

(43:10):
and decisions of his predecessor. That's what we elected Trump
to do. That's what he's doing. What to me is
incredible is that somebody like you, at a straight face,
who supported the previous CEO even though the whole world
can see what a disaster he was. In fact, the
guy's a mental vegetable. Now you've got prominent Democrats saying

(43:32):
the guy was out of his mind, suffering cognitive decline.
You've got scandal after scandal. Now this guy wasn't even
in charge of his own signature, and yet you supported
Biden every step of the way. Blindly, fanatically, and now
that Trump is coming to fix all the damage that
Biden did and people like you did by supporting Biden.

(43:55):
I'm the bad guy. Trump is the bad guy, and
I wouldn't even talk about revenge if I were you.
What did you guys do to Trump? You tried to
bankrupt him, You tried to take him off the ballot.
You guys raided his home, which shoot to kill orders.

(44:16):
You guys tried to imprison him. You guys tried to
assassinate him twice. And we're the ones bent on revenge. Bill,
have a nice fourth of July. Bruce on the Cave.
Thanks for holding Bruce, and welcome.

Speaker 6 (44:34):
Jeff, good morning. Thanks for your show. We thank god
you switch from being a professor to the talk show
guy because you really reach a lot of people. There's
not enough hours in the day.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Thank you, Thank you, Bruce.

Speaker 6 (44:48):
But I just wanted to follow up on I think
that it was a mark in New Hampshire. He touched
out a lot of things. He's just he's a regular
guy talking in regular t and I very much agree
to As far as the politicians, they're so selfish. It's

(45:08):
amazing because in order to propel ourselves to go forward.
You need to do something every Oh it's not perfect,
the amendments on any in any business, there's adjustments and
this and that. You have to make a commitment and
go forward, and then you can change things, as you've

(45:28):
been saying. Then you can you know, revisit the poor
and the ugliness and the bills. But the politicians, I'm
just so disappointed in the modern day selfishness that they're like,
oh no, no, and it's like they don't struggle with
their gas and food costs. I'm a blue collar guy
my whole life, and life's been good and it's getting worse,

(45:53):
and it's getting worse. I live in Massachusetts, obviously, I
mean I make over one hundred dollars a year. I
can't buy a house, and I've had some houses in
the past. But it's just amazing how everything gets stopped
by the big wigs and they're oh, going on spring
vacation and summer vacation and this and that and the other. Thing.

(46:17):
You know, work Saturday's work NonStop. And if something needs
to be adjusted in these bills, if you can do
it now, great, But we need forward motion. Trump Trump's
been doing an unbelievable job. He stopped, you know, World
War three recently. Oh, that's right, and it's just amazing
how it's amazing how everything gets stopped for political purposes.

(46:42):
It's not truly for the good of the country.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Well, look, Bruce, I really hope I want Mike and
Sandy to hear this. Specifically, take out what he said
about he's a blue collar guy, working class guy on
the Cape, making one hundred thousand dollars a year, and
he can't afford to build a house or to buy
a house, and he's you know, he's got a tough

(47:08):
time making payments on gas and groceries. And I want
to let's do that, turn that into a promo, because
that's exactly the plight of most working and middle class Americans.
One hundred thousand dollars a year is a very good salary.
I'm telling you, it's a very good salary. And that
should be enough. It really should to have a home,

(47:30):
to pay for your groceries, to pay for gas, and honestly,
to have a nice vacation. But this is how badly
now they have fleeced, frankly screwed the middle and working class.
And that's exactly what Trump is saying. Let's get the
middle and working class back on their feet. Let's put
more money in their pocket. Let's let them keep more

(47:52):
of their own money. Don't tax them. If they work
harder and put that extra effort in. If they're gonna
work overtime, don't tax it. If they're making good money
on tips, don't tax it. Give them a good paying
manufacturing job. Bring these jobs back to America so at
least their income is higher and they have more money

(48:13):
they can keep for themselves and their family. Now, Bruce, look,
this to me is the key issue right now. And
this is why I think Elon would all due respect
and I agree with him on the debt and the deficit,
but I think Elon is being very irresponsible because the
choice now is not between say Elon and Trump. Okay,

(48:38):
in other words, one guy maybe wants more spending cuts.
Now Trump is saying, let's do the economy first and
then focus on the cuts. The choice now is between Trump,
Maga and Zoron Mamdani. He is now the face of
the Democratic Party. He is the voice of the Democratic Party.

(49:00):
This is the man. He's not just a Democrat candidate
for mayor. They love him. He is now their celebrity.
He is their political superstar. Literally, Democrats are swooning over
this guy. AOC loves him, Bernie loves him. Elizabeth Warren
loves him. He's been meeting now with Obama. Okay, apparently

(49:22):
Obama now is coaching him so that he can now
really rise to commanding heights. He's got to support not
only of the Obamas. He's got the support of Chuck Schumer,
he's got the support of Pelosi. He's got the support
of both Bill and Hillary Clinton. So they are grooming
this man to be the leader of the Democratic Party,

(49:43):
the voice of the Democratic Party. Now he is, and
I'm choosing my words now very carefully. He is a
Muslim communist, a Muslim communist. And now he has come
out and he said it, Bruce, not once, not twice,
but three times. Should he win in New York, and

(50:06):
the polls now show he's gonna win. He's not just
gonna do free childcare and putting free in air quotes,
i e. Taxpayer funded, taxpayer funded free childcare, free bus fare,
free subways, city run, government controlled grocery stores, which means

(50:29):
you're gonna have breadlines. He's not just gonna decriminalize prostitution
and drugs, by the way, safe injection site. So you're
gonna have junkies addicts shooting themselves up now all over
New York. Defund the police, literally, abolish the police and
replace them with social workers. Abolish all prisons, just release,

(50:54):
just let the prisoners out. He says he's gonna quote
pack the white neighborhoods his words, in other words, I'm
going to go to areas where there's more white people
than say, minorities, and I'm going to hammer white people
with massive tax increases. He's going after white working middle

(51:17):
class people. And then and I'm want to play the
cut on the other side, because everybody has to hear this.
I never thought I would hear this phrase in the
United States of America from any major political figure. He
then says, we have to have a plan that when

(51:39):
we come to power, quote, we will seize the means
of production Communism. That's literally out of the words out
of the mouth of Karl Marx. It's straight out of
the Communist manifesto. Sees the means of production