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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Boston's Bulldozer never sleeps The Kooner Report weekend edition on
the Voice of Boston w RKO.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Okay, and speaking of Grace, she's got an absolutely outstanding
column today emerging all of you. Please, you got to
read it. It's called Questions on Death of Epstein Remain.
It's directly related to the comments made by Cash Pattel
and Dan Bongino. You can read it on WRKO dot
com slash cooner kuh and as a national er, it's
(00:31):
where all the columns are. You just click right there
and there it is Grace Vuoto, doctor Grace, putting liberals
in their place, full disclosure, my wonderful, my better half,
my wonderful wife, Grace. Again, congratulations on an outstanding column.
I've got to ask you right out of the gate,
did Jeffrey Epstein commit suicide? And why did Cash Patel
(00:58):
and Dan Bongino? Why are they saying he killed himself?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Well, Jeff, I think that any amateur sleut that looks
at the evidence will say he definitely did not commit suicide.
None of his behavior leading up to that night indicated
that he was going to commit suicide. And if you
look at FBI Director Cash Patel and Deputy FBI Director
Dan Bongino. Their interview was supposed to be about restoring
(01:28):
the credibility of the FBI. That's what they were saying
during that interview. Our mission is to restore the credibility,
and yet they blew the credibility. They're not doing a
good job. And I'll tell you what, Maria bart to Romo.
All she needed to do was follow up with more
(01:48):
questions because it looks like Patel and Dan Bongino haven't
done anything on the case. Look at the statements that
they made in the interview. Simply said, I know, you know,
based on my years of experience, this was a suicide.
So he's going on his credentials. That's a red flag
(02:09):
to be talk to me about the details of the case.
And then Bungino's statement, I have seen the whole file.
He killed himself, that's it. My reaction was, that's it.
One is going on credentials, the other is going on
I read the file.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
You guys are there to investigate, and Maria Bartoromo should
have just followed up with a ton of questions. Well,
excuse me, let me ask you this. The brother did
an experiment with the bet sheet. He purchased the same
betsheet and he tried to see if it would hold
the bet sheet? Tor, did you guys conduct a similar experiment?
(02:49):
Number two? Did you guys interview once again all the
cell mates on the floor. Did you guys speak to
the psychologist who said he was not suicidal because then
he was taken off of suicide Watch? Did anybody interview
the cell mates who received the money that Epstein gave
them for protection? If you look at Epstein's behavior before
(03:10):
that night, he was trying frantically to save his life.
So this, first of all, you don't even have the
mindset of a man that's going to commit suicide. Why
was he even put on suicide Watch to begin with?
Then why was he taken off suicide Watch? So it
doesn't look like Maria Bartiromo asked any of the specific questions,
(03:31):
nor do they have any information on what they have
done since they got into those roles.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Grace, what about And you know this almost better than anybody,
because you've been researching this. Conveniently, the cameras right on
his cell and suddenly they don't they malfunction, Suddenly they
don't work the two security guards that were there to
watch his cell in particular, specifically every half an hour,
(04:00):
keep making a check, and suddenly they both fell asleep,
both of them. The forensic pathologists, and you quote them,
these experts saying, there's no way in hell that you
look at the bones that were broken inside his neck,
there is no way that this could be done from
a hanging. This had all of the traits of a
(04:22):
strangulation that he was murdered. So the forensics, the coincidences,
it's almost mathematically impossible that he killed himself.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Dead? Right? And then how many events had to go
that way? How many things had to quote unquote go wrong?
So he was taken off suicide watch, but then a
cellmate was required to be with him that night. Shazam.
No cell mate that night, Shazam. The guards don't do
their stated procedure, The cameras don't work. And then guess what.
(05:01):
One of the questions that family members are asking is, well,
what about the pictures of him at the moment that
he's dead. Do we have that? No, they didn't follow
the procedures that jail would follow if somebody is found
dead in the cell. It's supposed to be treated as
a crime scene, and they wasn't treated as a crime scene.
So you're telling me that this is one of the
highest profile cases in the world, and you know in
(05:24):
our nation and the moment he's found dead, they don't
take pictures. There are just too many things that warren't
done that are standard procedure, that raise a lot of
red flags. And Patel and Bongino should be asking these questions,
even better questions than I cannot, because they're the so
called professionals, and they're not. They obviously didn't do their work.
(05:46):
To me, they look like, you know the way I
catch Ava Ava. Did you just work out? Yeah? I did? Okay?
What'd you do? Uh uh? There's no specifics. You know
you did you lift weights? Did you run? What'd you do?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Oh? Sorry, I saw you the truth. I just sang
the whole time. You know, this is how I feel
this is real. Are the specifics. Basically, they haven't done anything.
And you've got to think about this. To all of
those who are saying there's some kind of a master strategy,
there isn't. Because the very interview was supposed to be
about setting a new tone and having all of us
(06:20):
trust the FBI again, And if they truly had an
ongoing investigation, they would have told us this is what
we've done so far, and you know we're looking into it,
or we can't comment on an ongoing investigation. That's usually
what the FBI does. They only say it's closed when
it's actually closed. So I don't buy this, you know,
(06:41):
latitude that people are trying to give them grace.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
So why then, let's just take it all the way
to the end. Now, why would Cash Patel, why would
Dan Bongino? Why would they spew parrot the FBI deep
state line, and why would they lie so brazenly like this?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Well, look, Jeff, you've got one of the victims, Virginia
a Gruffrey, who ends up so called committing suicide. Her
father doesn't believe it. Another Epstein victim, Carolyn Andriano, she's
so so called died of an accidental overdose. The mother
doesn't believe it. So now we've got multiple suicides so
called of everybody involved in this, and Bongino and Patel
(07:24):
aren't even telling us. Oh you know what, Okay, let's
just say for just one for argument's sake, it was
a suicide. But we are pursuing everybody we know in
those videos that was involved in the pedrofile ring, everybody
we know in the documents that was involved. We're looking
into all of them. No, nothing, zero. They just want
to put the cabash on it. And the question that
(07:46):
you're asking is the key question. Why are they putting
the cabash on it? To me, my first guess is
they're being threatened and they're just caving to the threats.
It's just too scary. I think all three of them
are under threat, under severe threat, Patel, Bongino, and Bondy.
And if you look at the difference between those who
(08:06):
are really effective in the Trump administration like Holman. Holman,
you can just take one look at him. There's nothing
you can say to this guy that is going to
stop him from doing his job. There is no threat
on earth that is going to stop him, just like
Donald Trump. That's what people who can't be threatened and
bullied look like. These three they don't look like that, Grace.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So let their final paragraph you say, maybe it's time
for Patel and Bongino to resign if they are being threatened,
if they've caved or capitulated to the pressure, then they
should do the honorable thing, step down and make way
for somebody a pit bull, not a media poodle, but
(08:52):
a pitbull who will not be intimidated, who will not
be threatened, who will not back down. Is that what
you want to say, That's.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
What I want to see. That's just basic honesty. Listen,
I'm an analyst. I'm telling you what's going on. But
I couldn't do that job. And knowing that I couldn't
do their job, I would not put myself in that position.
Very few people can do what I'm asking them to do.
But just be honest. If it's not you, get out
of the way.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Do you think I could do the job?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
You're really tough, jeff Yes see, I.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Don't think I could do the job. I believe in you,
jeff Na, have you and the kids?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
That's my achilles heel, and they would use that against me,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
But anyway, okay, but let that go.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Well, the point is this, we all have to assess, honestly,
when we're asked such a key and patriotic position, can
we resist all the pressures, all the temptations, all the fears,
all the terror that will go with that position. I
would immediately say it's not going to be me, not
at this time in my life. I would just say
the truth. And I think it's up to them to
(10:00):
do that so that they can make way for somebody
like a Tom Holman, who we know is the Iron Man.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
We've got about a minute left. Let me be just
play Devil's advocate for a second. What if this is
the best that Trump can do? And what I mean
by that is Okay, I've got Homan, but not everybody's Homan,
not everybody's me. You know, you mentioned that these are
two that just can't be threatened, can't be intimidated, and
they're just knock going to back down. You know, these
(10:31):
are not you know, they're not a dime a dozen
as you put it. These are very rare people. And
I need people that I know. I need people that
I can trust, I need people who are loyal. So
the pool that I can pick from is limited. And
for all their flaws, this is the best that I
can get as ag as the FBI director and as
(10:51):
the deputy.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Thirty seconds, what say you, Jeff, this is.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
The United States of America. This is not the best.
Trump bout to win and win on all fronts, and
we have the toughest of the toughest people out there.
This is a country that is a superpower, that has
one World wars, that has dominated the globe. We've got
a ton of people who are iron tough, like Holman,
and they're the ones that need to be appointed to these.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Positions, Doctor Grace putting liberals in their place, Grace Voto.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Jeff doesn't get a day off. This request came from
his wife. The Kuner Report weekend edition on the Boys
of Boston WRKO
Boston's Bulldozer never sleeps The Kooner Report weekend edition on
the Voice of Boston w RKO.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Okay, and speaking of Grace, she's got an absolutely outstanding
column today emerging all of you. Please, you got to
read it. It's called Questions on Death of Epstein Remain.
It's directly related to the comments made by Cash Pattel
and Dan Bongino. You can read it on WRKO dot
com slash cooner kuh and as a national er, it's
(00:31):
where all the columns are. You just click right there
and there it is Grace Vuoto, doctor Grace, putting liberals
in their place, full disclosure, my wonderful, my better half,
my wonderful wife, Grace. Again, congratulations on an outstanding column.
I've got to ask you right out of the gate,
did Jeffrey Epstein commit suicide? And why did Cash Patel
(00:58):
and Dan Bongino? Why are they saying he killed himself?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Well, Jeff, I think that any amateur sleut that looks
at the evidence will say he definitely did not commit suicide.
None of his behavior leading up to that night indicated
that he was going to commit suicide. And if you
look at FBI Director Cash Patel and Deputy FBI Director
Dan Bongino. Their interview was supposed to be about restoring
(01:28):
the credibility of the FBI. That's what they were saying
during that interview. Our mission is to restore the credibility,
and yet they blew the credibility. They're not doing a
good job. And I'll tell you what, Maria bart to Romo.
All she needed to do was follow up with more
(01:48):
questions because it looks like Patel and Dan Bongino haven't
done anything on the case. Look at the statements that
they made in the interview. Simply said, I know, you know,
based on my years of experience, this was a suicide.
So he's going on his credentials. That's a red flag
(02:09):
to be talk to me about the details of the case.
And then Bungino's statement, I have seen the whole file.
He killed himself, that's it. My reaction was, that's it.
One is going on credentials, the other is going on
I read the file.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
You guys are there to investigate, and Maria Bartoromo should
have just followed up with a ton of questions. Well,
excuse me, let me ask you this. The brother did
an experiment with the bet sheet. He purchased the same
betsheet and he tried to see if it would hold
the bet sheet? Tor, did you guys conduct a similar experiment?
(02:49):
Number two? Did you guys interview once again all the
cell mates on the floor. Did you guys speak to
the psychologist who said he was not suicidal because then
he was taken off of suicide Watch? Did anybody interview
the cell mates who received the money that Epstein gave
them for protection? If you look at Epstein's behavior before
(03:10):
that night, he was trying frantically to save his life.
So this, first of all, you don't even have the
mindset of a man that's going to commit suicide. Why
was he even put on suicide Watch to begin with?
Then why was he taken off suicide Watch? So it
doesn't look like Maria Bartiromo asked any of the specific questions,
(03:31):
nor do they have any information on what they have
done since they got into those roles.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Grace, what about And you know this almost better than anybody,
because you've been researching this. Conveniently, the cameras right on
his cell and suddenly they don't they malfunction, Suddenly they
don't work the two security guards that were there to
watch his cell in particular, specifically every half an hour,
(04:00):
keep making a check, and suddenly they both fell asleep,
both of them. The forensic pathologists, and you quote them,
these experts saying, there's no way in hell that you
look at the bones that were broken inside his neck,
there is no way that this could be done from
a hanging. This had all of the traits of a
(04:22):
strangulation that he was murdered. So the forensics, the coincidences,
it's almost mathematically impossible that he killed himself.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Dead? Right? And then how many events had to go
that way? How many things had to quote unquote go wrong?
So he was taken off suicide watch, but then a
cellmate was required to be with him that night. Shazam.
No cell mate that night, Shazam. The guards don't do
their stated procedure, The cameras don't work. And then guess what.
(05:01):
One of the questions that family members are asking is, well,
what about the pictures of him at the moment that
he's dead. Do we have that? No, they didn't follow
the procedures that jail would follow if somebody is found
dead in the cell. It's supposed to be treated as
a crime scene, and they wasn't treated as a crime scene.
So you're telling me that this is one of the
highest profile cases in the world, and you know in
(05:24):
our nation and the moment he's found dead, they don't
take pictures. There are just too many things that warren't
done that are standard procedure, that raise a lot of
red flags. And Patel and Bongino should be asking these questions,
even better questions than I cannot, because they're the so
called professionals, and they're not. They obviously didn't do their work.
(05:46):
To me, they look like, you know the way I
catch Ava Ava. Did you just work out? Yeah? I did? Okay?
What'd you do? Uh uh? There's no specifics. You know
you did you lift weights? Did you run? What'd you do?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Oh? Sorry, I saw you the truth. I just sang
the whole time. You know, this is how I feel
this is real. Are the specifics. Basically, they haven't done anything.
And you've got to think about this. To all of
those who are saying there's some kind of a master strategy,
there isn't. Because the very interview was supposed to be
about setting a new tone and having all of us
(06:20):
trust the FBI again, And if they truly had an
ongoing investigation, they would have told us this is what
we've done so far, and you know we're looking into it,
or we can't comment on an ongoing investigation. That's usually
what the FBI does. They only say it's closed when
it's actually closed. So I don't buy this, you know,
(06:41):
latitude that people are trying to give them grace.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
So why then, let's just take it all the way
to the end. Now, why would Cash Patel, why would
Dan Bongino? Why would they spew parrot the FBI deep
state line, and why would they lie so brazenly like this?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Well, look, Jeff, you've got one of the victims, Virginia
a Gruffrey, who ends up so called committing suicide. Her
father doesn't believe it. Another Epstein victim, Carolyn Andriano, she's
so so called died of an accidental overdose. The mother
doesn't believe it. So now we've got multiple suicides so
called of everybody involved in this, and Bongino and Patel
(07:24):
aren't even telling us. Oh you know what, Okay, let's
just say for just one for argument's sake, it was
a suicide. But we are pursuing everybody we know in
those videos that was involved in the pedrofile ring, everybody
we know in the documents that was involved. We're looking
into all of them. No, nothing, zero. They just want
to put the cabash on it. And the question that
(07:46):
you're asking is the key question. Why are they putting
the cabash on it? To me, my first guess is
they're being threatened and they're just caving to the threats.
It's just too scary. I think all three of them
are under threat, under severe threat, Patel, Bongino, and Bondy.
And if you look at the difference between those who
(08:06):
are really effective in the Trump administration like Holman. Holman,
you can just take one look at him. There's nothing
you can say to this guy that is going to
stop him from doing his job. There is no threat
on earth that is going to stop him, just like
Donald Trump. That's what people who can't be threatened and
bullied look like. These three they don't look like that, Grace.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So let their final paragraph you say, maybe it's time
for Patel and Bongino to resign if they are being threatened,
if they've caved or capitulated to the pressure, then they
should do the honorable thing, step down and make way
for somebody a pit bull, not a media poodle, but
(08:52):
a pitbull who will not be intimidated, who will not
be threatened, who will not back down. Is that what
you want to say, That's.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
What I want to see. That's just basic honesty. Listen,
I'm an analyst. I'm telling you what's going on. But
I couldn't do that job. And knowing that I couldn't
do their job, I would not put myself in that position.
Very few people can do what I'm asking them to do.
But just be honest. If it's not you, get out
of the way.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Do you think I could do the job?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
You're really tough, jeff Yes see, I.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Don't think I could do the job. I believe in you,
jeff Na, have you and the kids?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
That's my achilles heel, and they would use that against me,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
But anyway, okay, but let that go.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Well, the point is this, we all have to assess, honestly,
when we're asked such a key and patriotic position, can
we resist all the pressures, all the temptations, all the fears,
all the terror that will go with that position. I
would immediately say it's not going to be me, not
at this time in my life. I would just say
the truth. And I think it's up to them to
(10:00):
do that so that they can make way for somebody
like a Tom Holman, who we know is the Iron Man.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
We've got about a minute left. Let me be just
play Devil's advocate for a second. What if this is
the best that Trump can do? And what I mean
by that is Okay, I've got Homan, but not everybody's Homan,
not everybody's me. You know, you mentioned that these are
two that just can't be threatened, can't be intimidated, and
they're just knock going to back down. You know, these
(10:31):
are not you know, they're not a dime a dozen
as you put it. These are very rare people. And
I need people that I know. I need people that
I can trust, I need people who are loyal. So
the pool that I can pick from is limited. And
for all their flaws, this is the best that I
can get as ag as the FBI director and as
(10:51):
the deputy.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Thirty seconds, what say you, Jeff, this is.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
The United States of America. This is not the best.
Trump bout to win and win on all fronts, and
we have the toughest of the toughest people out there.
This is a country that is a superpower, that has
one World wars, that has dominated the globe. We've got
a ton of people who are iron tough, like Holman,
and they're the ones that need to be appointed to these.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Positions, Doctor Grace putting liberals in their place, Grace Voto.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Jeff doesn't get a day off. This request came from
his wife. The Kuner Report weekend edition on the Boys
of Boston WRKO
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