The Great Ukraine Peace Stall

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, my friends, a lot and I mean a lot
to talk about today. But clearly one of the biggest
stories in the world right now is the Trump presidency itself.
The United States and in some ways the world is
now at a major crossroads. Is it time to leave?

(00:22):
That is now the question. So let me just set
up the entire context of what's taking place in Paris.
Over the last couple of days, leading negotiators for the
United States put forth essentially what is now being called
the Trump Vance Rubio peace Plan to end the Russia

(00:46):
Ukraine War. This has got Trump's personal backing and support.
A lot of the details of this have been flushed
out by both Vice President JD. Vance and of course
Secretary of State Marco Rubio, relying upon envoys that we
have been sending both to Madarashia and of course to
Zolensky in Ukraine. The United States has now put together

(01:11):
what they are calling a final piece deal framework. They
don't have every detail ironed out, but they have general
a general framework, general principles, and the basis for what
they say should be now a lasting, enduring peace. And

(01:31):
I'm going to get to the details soon, I promise.
But the bigger development is not that United States now
and Trump personally have said, Okay, here it is. We've
heard from Putin, We've heard from Zolenski, We've heard from
all sides. Here's what we think is a just sustainable,
enduring peace deal or peace settlement. It's that the moment

(01:56):
they presented it to Zolensky and his people, Zolensky said
absolutely not. In fact, in diplomatic language, he came as
close to saying blank off as he possibly could. And
so the question now is what should Trump do and

(02:17):
what should the United States do. Putin has now said
he is willing to sit down, even if it means
face to face with Zelensky, have direct talks with the
Ukrainian government, with the United States and maybe Trump as
a mediator, but that he is ready now to sign

(02:37):
a potential deal. Russia is on board or almost on board,
but they're willing now to talk and end this war
so that leaves Ukraine. And Zelensky has made it crystal
clear that not only does he reject the peace deal,

(02:57):
he will not seede an inch, a centimeter, a millimeter
of Ukrainian territory in order to achieve a negotiated peace
settlement and an end to the war. And so he
has now told Trump Ukraine rejects it. We don't want
your peace deal. This is a non starter, this is

(03:20):
non negotiable. Trump pretty much exploded, and I don't blame him.
He was absolutely furious, furious that Zelenski so quickly, so unilaterally,
so definitively refused to even basically look at the peace

(03:44):
framework because he's not willing to make any territorial concessions whatsoever.
And essentially it's now very clear Zelenski wants this war
to continue. He doesn't want this war to end. And
so Trump now has said, Rubio has said, and now JD. Vance,

(04:08):
who by the way, is in India negotiating a huge
trade deal between the United States and India from India,
issued a statement, all three of them, saying we're ready
now to walk away. This is really now in Ukraine's court.
Either we're gonna have some kind of a negotiated peace settlement,

(04:29):
or we can walk away and leave you to Vladimir Putin.
If you think you'll get a better deal fighting Vladimir
Putin for another six months or another year, or another
eighteen months. That's up to you, as Trump said in
his truth social post, and I agree with him. You
have no cards. He told Zelenski, I'm giving you the

(04:52):
absolute best deal you could possibly get. You keep fighting,
you're gonna lose your entire cun and the bleeding and
the dying and the destruction and the carnage will continue.
Listen now to President Trump. He was not in a

(05:13):
good mood. He's not happy. He can't believe it. But
the main obstacle to peace is not putin. The main
obstacle to peace now is Zelenski and Ukraine, or at
least in this case, the Ukrainian government. Listen now to
a reporter asking Trump. There's going to be a huge

(05:34):
funeral for the Pope, for the late Pope, Pope Francis,
and Zelenski and other world leaders are going to be there,
and people are now asking Trump, will you meet with Zelenski?
Can you talk him into this peace deal before this
war now continues to go on and on and on,

(05:55):
because make no mistake about it, if the United States
walks away from the negotiating table, they are going to
really go at it. Really. I mean, this war is
going to continue, and it's probably going to get even
bigger and more destructive, with more death and more carnage.
Listen now to Trump roll cut five. Mike, are you

(06:21):
going to be meeting with presidents? Lindsay, he's asked to
meet with you this weekend.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Will you be meeting with him?

Speaker 1 (06:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
I don't know that he's going to the funeral or not.
But I just hope he gets his thing solved, because
we're losing about two five hundred, and everyone was telling
me that's low. Five thousand soldiers are being killed every
week approximately. Think of that, every week, five thousand soldiers,
but let's say from three thousand to five thousand are

(06:48):
being killed. They're Russian and Ukrainian. They're not Americans, but
they're Russian for their people, and they humans. They human
beings have families, They wave goodbye to their son, and
they get a call that the sun's so long? Are there?

Speaker 1 (07:02):
So Essentially, now Trump is saying, look on a humanitarian basis,
for the love of humanity, for the love of peace,
I want a deal. I want this. This is like
World War One. It's just slaughter upon slaughter upon slaughter.
It's a meat grinder, and for the sake of Europe,

(07:23):
for the sake of Russia, obviously, for the sake of Ukraine,
for the sake of world peace. I want this thing
to end. It's gone on now for over three years,
and there's going to be no end in sight. If
we walk away, the fighting is going to intensify, and
so will the dying. And as Trump said, you're looking

(07:43):
at five thousand dead every single week, a million casualties,
now one million in counting. Much of Ukraine is in rubble.
Huge parts of Ukraine literally are like a wasteland. You've
got the ukrain Trainian economy has been devastated. We're talking
over ten million refugees, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

(08:07):
thousands of civilians dead. Never mind the Ukrainian army now
taking a real beating on the eastern provinces. In the
eastern part of Ukraine, You've got Russian soldiers now being
sent to the meat grinder. They are taking heavy, heavy casualties.
The Russian economy is cracking, it maybe even be breaking.

(08:31):
This is not good. It's not good for Ukraine, it's
not good for Russia, it's not good for Europe. And
so Trump is saying, how much longer is this carnage
supposed to go on Roll cut six, Mike.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
It's a vicious war. And if I can help solve it.
You know, we're not losing our soldiers, but we're losing
soldiers a lot of people. And if I can solve
it because of a certain ability, that would be great.
And if if it doesn't happen, I will say that
I think Russia is ready. And a lot of people
said Russia wanted to go for the whole thing, and

(09:12):
they've I think we have a deal with Russia. We
have to get a deal with Zelensky, and I hope
that Zelensky. I thought it might be easier to deal
with Zelensky. So far it's been harder. But that's okay,
It's so right.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
So Zelensky now is proving to be the intransigent one.
There's no question he now is the man opposing peace.
And so, as I said on X last night, and
I want to repeat it, I think it's time now
potentially for Trump to walk away. I think, really this
is my advice to President Trump. Take it for what

(09:47):
it's worth. If you meet Zelenski at the Vatican during
the funeral for the late Pope Francis just say, look,
we don't need more than two minutes. This is a
take it or leave it offer. We're done. We've been
negotiating now for months. We have given you hundreds and
hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer money in both

(10:09):
military and financial aid. You have repeatedly disrespected the United States.
You still won't even sign a minerals deal, which you
have pledged to do. Now for what is it sixty days?
Like you're jerking us around, and you're jerking the world around.
So it's either put up or shut up. It's either
fish or cut bait. And if I was Trump, I

(10:32):
would say, look, it's take it or leave it. You
want the piece deal framework here it is. There's a
way out to end to exit this war, and to
end it once and for all. But if you don't,
the United States will walk away. And when we walk away,

(10:53):
you're going to get no more military aid. Okay. President
Trump now is pretty much had it. He has reached
the breaking point with Voladimir Zelenski, a little midget man,
as I like to call him, the strong Man of Ukraine.
Zelenski now is rejecting the peace deal, the final peace

(11:16):
deal framework that has now been offered by Trump, Rubio,
and Vance. It is their peace plan. Putin says he's
willing to negotiate. Zelensky says it's not worth the paper
that it's written on. He will not accept any any
territorial concessions whatsoever to Russia. And so the question now is,

(11:38):
after all of this diplomatic capital, all of this time
spent by Trump, by Rubio, by his envoys, by Vance
to try to hammer out a deal and end the
slaughter on the killing fields of Ukraine, is it time
for the United States to wash his hands and have

(12:01):
us just walk away, just walk away. Listen now to
Caroline Levitt, Press secretary, yesterday at the podium news Broke.
Zelensky has now rejected the peace deal. He doesn't want
a final peace settlement with Russia. He does not like

(12:23):
the terms that Trump and his delegation are putting forth.
Listen now to what Caroline Levitt had to say, Roll
cut eleven, Mike.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
The President is not asking Ukraine to recognize CRIMEA. Nobody
has asked them to do that. What he is asking
is for people to come to the negotiating table recognizing
that this has been a brutal war for far too long,
and in order to make a good deal, both sides
have to walk away a little bit unhappy. And unfortunately,
President Zelensky has been trying to litigate this peace negotiation

(12:56):
negotiation in the press, and that's unacceptable to the President.
These should be closed door negotiations. The President's national security team,
his advisors, has exuded significant time, energy, and effort to
try to bring this war to an end. The American
taxpayer has funded billions of dollars in this effort, and
enough is enough. The President's frustrated, his patience is running

(13:17):
very thin. He wants to do what's right for the world.
He wants to see peace, he wants to see the
killing stop. But you need both sides of the war
willing to do that. And unfortunately President Zelensky seems to
be moving in the wrong.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Direction exactly well, and she's putting it, i think, very diplomatically.
Zelenski's essentially giving Trump and the United States the middle finger.
That's what he's doing. Now, let me tell you what's
driving all this. It's very clear the globalists who started
this war, who wanted this war, don't want to end
this war, and Zelenski is their puppet. For all intents

(13:54):
and purposes, he is their puppet. And so the EU,
led by the British, led by the French Macron in particular,
have now puffed up Zelenski, telling him you don't need
the Americans, you don't need Trump. No, no, we'll backstop you.
You want military aid, We'll give you all the missiles

(14:17):
and the artillery shells and the tanks and the helicopters
that you need to continue to fight this war against Russia. Again.
It won't be enough to win on the battlefield, but
it'll be enough to hold off the Russians. So we
can keep this thing going another six months, another year,
another two years. As long as Ukrainians are willing to die,

(14:41):
we can keep this thing going on almost forever. The
fact of the matter is, and this is the cold,
hard facts on the ground, and that's ultimately what dictates
a peace settlement. That's called reality. Has lost this war. Now.

(15:03):
They haven't lost their country, they haven't lost their capital,
they haven't lost even much of their territory. But for
all intents and purposes, Ukraine has lost the war. Russia
has occupied Crimea for over a decade, a decade, and
for all intents and purposes, they have annexed the four

(15:25):
Eastern provinces, not quite all of the territory, but most
of the territory that they have wanted in eastern Ukraine
as a buffer. And so either Zelenski recognizes the military
facts on the ground and says, Okay, it's now pretty
much a stalemate. Let's end the war right now and

(15:48):
Ukraine can exist and move forward instead. Eggdon by the globalists,
Egdon by the Europeans, Egdon by the military industrial complex,
and it appears by many rogue elements in the CIA
and the Democrats. The Democrats are telling him, don't worry.

(16:10):
We're going to impeach Trump. We're gonna bleed Trump. We're
gonna continue to use the CIA to try the funnel
weapons to you. You guys, keep hanging on. Trump will
be overthrown eventually, and uh, a democratic administration will come
to power, and we will the billions and billions will
continue to flow. So Zelenski wants to continue to line

(16:36):
his pockets and that of his cronies, and he doesn't
care how many more Ukrainians are killed or how much
more of his country is pulverized and destroyed.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
The man.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Honestly, Demn's a psychopath, he really is. Now this is
what the United States is offering, in particular, this is
the Trump Vance Rubio peace plan. It is a very
national basis for finally ending this war. Number One, recognize
Russia's sovereignty over Crimea. They have controlled it for over

(17:12):
ten years. It has for hundreds and hundreds of years
been part of the Russian Empire. It is largely a
Russian speaking area with very historic, strong cultural ethnic ties
to Madarasia. So basically recognize the reality that is today

(17:32):
in Crimea. Allow Vladimir Putin to take the four provinces
that is army and military still control in eastern Ukraine.
So these four provinces Kirsan, Zaparigia, Donetsk, Luansk, those territories

(17:53):
under Russian occupation would then be part of Russia and
finally no name for Ukraine. Ukraine gets no NATO membership whatsoever.
That is off the table. That was the reason why
the war was fought. So Putin gets something. In fact,

(18:14):
he gets a lot, but his side is won, so
that's why he gets a lot. Now what does Ukraine get?
There are territories around the major city of Kharkiv that
the Russians have won that they are now willing to
give back to Ukraine. So Ukraine gets territories around Kharkiv. Secondly,

(18:36):
the United States guarantees a carveout that Ukraine will then
be allowed to enter the European Union, and Russia will
agree to Ukraine entering the EU. In other words, Eus,
the Ukraine's political economic destiny will be with Europe and
the West. Six one seven two six six sixty eight

(18:59):
sixty eight is the number. Okay, let me ask all
of you. Is it time now for the United States
and for Trump himself and his entire team. JD. Vance
and Marco Rubio and his envoys, whether it be Steve
Whitkoff or General Kellogg. Witkoff has been working directly with Putin.

(19:19):
Kellogg has been working directly with Zelenski. Is it time
now for them to just wash their hands and walk away?
That's what Rubio and Vance and Trump are now telling
Zelenski after he has now rejected their final piece deal offer,
that they are done. There will be no more talking,

(19:41):
no more meetings, no more negotiations, that they are going
to move on They've got other things, bigger fish to fry.
As they say, they got to focus on Iran, they
got to win this trade war with China. They've got
other issues that they say needs their top attention and
their A priority, have other priorities and needs their concentration.

(20:03):
And so they're saying to Zelenski, Look, the train is
about to leave the station. Are you on board or not?
Now here's what the Russians would get, as I said,
they would get Crimea, which they've controlled for over ten years,
and historically, going all the way back to Catherine the Great,
was part of the Russian Empire. So really Ukraine does

(20:26):
not have very strong historic claims to Crimea. Putin would get,
for the most part, good chunks or slices of eastern Ukraine,
especially the four provinces that he has tried to ennex
over the last three years in that war. He would
get what his army has won on the ground, nothing more,

(20:46):
nothing less, and the reason for the war. Ukraine would
not be allowed to become a member of NATO, and
so Ukraine would remain militarily neutral. Now you may say,
well that's a great deal for Putin, but his side
is winning it's reflecting facts on the ground. Putin's not

(21:10):
getting anything more. That's number one. Number two Ukraine also
gets quite a bit. As Trump keeps telling Zelenski, I'm
giving you a chance to have a country. I'm giving
you a chance to be with the West. I'm giving
you a chance to have a future. Russia would seed
territories that they have won in Ukraine around the very

(21:34):
important city in northern Ukraine, Kharkiv used in Russian it's
called Kharkov. It was a key area in the battle
with the Nazis in World War Two. It is one
of the biggest cities in Ukraine. Those territories Russia would
give back to Ukraine, so Ukraine would get some of
its territory back. Number one. Number two Ukraine would be

(21:58):
allowed and have if Russia would say fine, no more objections.
Ukraine could then become a full member of the European Union,
so it would be politically, economically, culturally anchored to Europe
and to the West. And then number three, the Europeans
have agreed that they would provide massive security guarantees to

(22:25):
Ukraine should the Russians ever attempt to attack again or
invade again, or if they try to violate this negotiated
peace deal. In other words, Ukraine would have military security
guarantees backstopped by Germany, France, England, Italy and the entire EU.

(22:46):
And there's most likely going to be UN peacekeepers separating
the Russian and next territories in eastern Ukraine from the
rest of Ukraine. So Ukraine will come out of this
war smaller, but more Ukrainian intact, access to the Black Sea,

(23:08):
access to Europe, access to the European Union, with strong
military security guarantees. And if Zelensky had half a brain
and signs the military sorry the rare Earth Minerals agreement
with commercial and financial ties, deep ties between Ukraine and
the United States. In short, it's peace with honor. It's

(23:33):
peace with honor. Now Zelensky is saying nothing, I give nothing.
I want all of the territories in eastern Ukraine back,
I want all of Crimea back, I want everything back,
and I want Russia to pay hundreds of billions of
dollars in reparations. So what Zelensky is proposing is a

(23:57):
perpetual war. Now here is the danger, And this is
what Trump's trying to warn him and privately he's saying,
I don't know if he's that stupid, if he's that dense,
or if he's just that corrupt and bought off. What
Trump is trying to tell him is that his army
already is starting to break and collapse on the Eastern front,

(24:21):
that if this war continues for another six months or
a year, his army may completely collapse, and then Putin
is gonna grab a lot more territory. In fact, he
may have a straight shot and path to the capital
Kiev itself, which means Zelensky may lose all of Ukraine,

(24:42):
not just the eastern edge of Ukraine. That he is
playing and gambling with the lives of Ukrainians, of Russians,
and really of that part of Europe. And so Trump
is telling him, look, this is it. We're at a
crossroads for the United States, for Europe, for Russia, but

(25:04):
especially for Ukraine. Do you want peace or do you
want this war to continue? And it could lead to
an absolute disaster for Ukraine and for the Ukrainian people. Zelensky,
for whatever reason, is refusing to sign any piece deal framework.
He will not make an inch of territorial concessions. So

(25:29):
to me, it's quite obvious that the globalists want this
war to continue. And let me just read to you
a text. This is from five oh eight. You can
text the Conerman seven zero four seven zero seven zero
four seven zero, and this is what five o eight says.
And I think he's or he or she is completely

(25:50):
spot on, Jeff. The globalists want Ukraine to be completely
destroyed so that what's left will be theirs to pillage,
and that which is Russia's can be used in the
media to continue a propaganda war against Putin Bingo. You see,

(26:11):
the globalists want Russia to remain the boogeyman, not China,
so they want to continue this cold war against Russia.
So let the Ukrainians keep fighting. Let them keep dying,
fight to the last Ukrainian. And by the way, pillage

(26:33):
plunder take all a suck Ukraine dry, just exploit all
of its vast mineral and economic wealth and keep Russia
and Putin as the perpetual bad guy. The military industrial
complex wants war. France and Britain want this war to continue.

(26:56):
The globalists want this war, and the Democrats want this war,
and of course the warhawks and the neocons, and that's
why they're telling Zelensky, hold out, hold out, hold out. Now.
My advice to President Trump, cut Zelensky off at the knees.

(27:17):
You tell him we're walking away. Not a cent in
military aid that's gone, no more intelligence. The United States
will extricate itself from this war, and let me just
and then let's see how well Ukraine does on its
own or with the backing of the EU and the Europeans.

(27:37):
My prediction, Russia is going to roll them, and the
Ukrainian people will turn on Zelensky and say, how dare
how dare you decide to stab our country in the back.
When Trump and the Americans offered us a great deal,
you turned away peace with honor, and instead now you

(28:00):
gave us peace with surrender. This war has been a
disaster for Ukraine. It has been a disaster for Russia.
But it's also been a disaster for the United States.
Hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars of our taxpayer dollars.

(28:24):
Is it now, Trump? Is it now time forgive me?
For Trump to simply walk away. That may be the
decision he makes. It could be even today. It is
all culminating now to this moment. They have offered Ukraine
and Russia a final piece deal, a framework at least
for a negotiated peace deal. Putin says he's willing to

(28:44):
at least consider it, have direct negotiations with Zelensky and Ukraine.
Zolensky has dismissed it out of hand, saying he is
not going to give an inch in concessions territorially or
on any other issue. Trump now said, as Zelenski just
doesn't want peace, and maybe it's now time that the
United States focus on other issues and other matters. Let

(29:09):
me ask you, is it time for Trump and the
administration to wash its hands of the Ukraine war? Is
it also time for US to end all military, financial,
and intelligence support to the Ukrainian government and its war
with Russia in Eastern Ukraine? And is Zelenski making a

(29:35):
huge mistake? That is now the question six one seven
two six six sixty eight sixty eight. Larry on Messenger,
This was maybe half an hour ago, wrote and said, Jeff, watch,
some low level district court judge is going to force
Trump to fund the war. Force him. No, you can't

(30:00):
cut off any eight to Zelenski. No, No, We're gonna
tell you.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
No.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
You may want to walk away. We're not gonna let
you walk away with these crazy active as judges. Now,
nothing would surprise me. But the question now is do
we stay or do we go? Vince in Germany, Thanks
for holding Vince, and.

Speaker 5 (30:24):
Welcome morning, Jeff.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
How you doing very good? How are you?

Speaker 6 (30:30):
Vince good? Zelenski is a dead man. He needs this
war to continue because he needs to deliver the goods,
and the goods are NATO membership, you know those territories.
They cannot relink with shows territories. And he is being

(30:51):
he's a puppet on a string. The globalists want Russia.
The plan was for Russia to lose the war.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
Putin, for them to break up Russia, and for them
to deliver Ukraine NATO membership. And if he doesn't deliver
the goods, he's a dead man. And not only that,
I mean they've been hundreds of billions of dollars. Yeah,
I mean, he's his use. I think that Zelenski is

(31:22):
a deep state saves him in the end. I mean
they just another handation plot up there in Wisconsin, you
know what I mean. And he's just he's gonna hold
out to the big and.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Vince you're breaking up on us. But basically I got
your general point that I think you're dead on Uh.
He's as you put it, he's a puppet on a string.
He's a puppet, and he realizes now that if he
doesn't do the bidding of his paymasters. You're right, he's dead.
He's finished. I mean he will be killed, he'll be assassinated.
And so what do they want him to do? They

(32:00):
want him to continue this war. This war must go
on and go on and go on for many reasons. One,
too many people are making way too much money off
of this war. Two, the globalists want to devour all
of Ukraine, and three they want to keep fighting against
Vladimir Putin. It's obvious their goal is to eventually overthrow him.

(32:24):
And they really want the big prize, which is Russia.
I mean George Soros as an example, or at Klaus Schwab,
I know he just stepped down from the World Economic Forum,
but Schwab and everyone else at the World Economic Forum,
I mean they want to devour. They want to, they
want to they want to get their hands on all
of Russia's oil and natural gas and mineral wealth. I

(32:47):
mean they're salivating so they need this war to continue.
They want this war to continue, and they don't care
how many Ukrainians are slaughtered. They don't care how many
Russians are killed. They don't care how much this thing
goes on. They've got to ligne their pockets because that's
part of their larger plan. And I think Trump now

(33:10):
has to ask himself is it really worth it. I mean,
he's got his Secretary of State flying constantly to meet
he's got his vice president spending a lot of time
trying to talk Zelensky into signing something that he clearly
doesn't want to sign. And so I just think there's
a certain point where he's going to have to address
the country, and I think address the Ukrainian people in particular,

(33:32):
and say, look, here's the deal. Now. I know you're
not going to like it. No one likes to lose territory,
but I'm telling you you're going to have a free, independent,
viable Ukraine. You're going to have peace with honor, and
the EU is open to you, trade and deep commercial
ties with America, a great minerals deal that's open to you,

(33:55):
Europe is open to you. It's all open to you.
So you guys want a deal or not. Now. If
you don't want a deal, don't come crying to me.
When you lose another million or another two million people,
and this time the Russians are going to be at
the gates of Kiv, then it's going to be too late.

(34:15):
So it's up to you. You can either be smart
or stupid. Zelensky stupid, don't choose stupid. And to me,
I think there's a certain point where yes, blessed are
the peacemakers, no question, and Trump is trying to be
a peacemaker. But you got it both sides. You know,

(34:36):
they have to want peace. If they don't want peace,
there's nothing you can do. And it's clear when, at
least for now, the one side that doesn't want peace
is Zelenski and Ukraine. So let them live with the consequences,
walk away and cut off all aid, all intelligence, everything.

(34:59):
If the Europeans I want to prop him up, then
it's their war and it's their problem. To me, we've
got enough problems to deal with. We're trying to end it.
We're trying to end it for the sake of humanity.
But if they don't want to do it, hey, believe me,
We've got serious problems here, very serious problems. Agree, disagree

(35:21):
six one seven two six six sixty eight, sixty eight. Listen,
Now this is Trump. Uh you could tell at this
point he's exasperated, he's frustrated with Zelenski, and he's saying, look,
I get the satellite pictures, I get the intelligence briefing
every single morning. He goes, these people are crazy. Who

(35:42):
could who wants this thing to continue? Roll cut six
A Mike.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Spend a lot of money, but this is about a
lot of humanity. This is the worst. I get the pictures,
the satellite pictures. I've never seen anything like it. Of
the fields after these some of these battles. It's horrible
that has going for nothing. We would have never had
this problem. You would have never had.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
That war by we're president.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
I guarantee you that, and for four years you didn't
have it.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, yeah, no question. Look, it's one of many things
that were an absolute disaster under Biden that to me
are unforgivable, and this is one of them. And let
me just say this final point. Okay, final point. There's
an absolutely brilliant historian. His name is Sean McMeekin. He's
an expert on Russia. He's an expert on Europe, on

(36:34):
World War One. Anyway, he's one of the great historians
of our time. Anything this guy writes read, I'm telling
you he's dynamite. He recently gave a one hour talk
and he was asked about his views on the Russia
Ukraine War. And he's been both to Ukraine. He's been
to Russia. He's been to those countries many times over many,

(36:55):
many decades. Okay, he knows that part of the world
almost better than any anybody on the face of the earth.
And I'll tell you exactly what McMeekin said. He said,
going all the way back to the nineteen nineties. He goes,
I don't care if you were George HW. Bush Bush
forty one, or Bob Dole or Nude Gingridge or whoever,

(37:18):
or Bill Clinton, or it doesn't matter both parties. There
was a consensus in Washington, don't put Ukraine in NATO.
It is an absolute redline for the Russians. The Democrats
agreed to it, the Republicans agreed to it. George W.

(37:41):
Bush said, no, no NATO expansion to Ukraine. You're crazy,
You're going to get a war. John Kerry, Hillary Clinton,
Barack Obama. Obama repeatedly said, you guys nuts, we pushed
NATO onto you, onto Russia's doorstep. We're going to get
a war. And then came along Joey and his puppet masters.

(38:07):
And as McMeekin said, the thing that shocked and outraged
him the most that he said to him is so
unforgivable when you look at all the death, destruction, bloodshed
and carnage. Is that. In public, Biden kept saying over
and over, Ukraine's got to go into NATO, Ukraine's got

(38:28):
to go into NATO, and he signs this ridiculous agreement
with Zelensky okay, several months before the invasion by Russia,
which really provoked the invasion. It triggered the invasion. So
publicly he's saying Ukraine's going to go into NATO, but
privately he was telling all the Europeans and his own

(38:51):
State Department and his own national security team that Ukraine
was not ready to join NA that it was almost
impossible for Ukraine to realistically join NATO because it was
so corrupt, and that it's military and military hardware and

(39:12):
equipment and their standards were so behind that he said, really,
this thing is a pipe dream. He goes maybe in ten, fifteen,
twenty years. And so McMeekin said, this is when I
turned on Biden. I mean, like, you know, hell half

(39:32):
no fury the way I turned on him. I turned
on him decisively because he was committing the United States
in public to a radical policy that in private he
knew was not only unattainable, but it was clearly unrealistic
and unworkable. He was the man was insane, or whoever

(39:58):
was pulling his strings was insane. So you're gonna provoke
the Russians, You're going to cross the ultimate red line
with them, but in private you're saying that it's not
really doable. Man, it's not gonna happen. Aya yai. So,
as mcneekin said, this is what's unforgivable. All of this

(40:20):
bloodshed is at the feet of Joe Biden, and all
of this bloodshed is for nothing. It need not have happened.
It's all one giant waste. They were never ultimately gonna
put Ukraine into NATO. They did it to provoke the

(40:42):
Russians because they wanted a war against Russia, knowing that
by saying publicly. We want Ukraine and NATO. They're on
the path the NATO eceision or NATO membership, that this
would lead directly to a war. And how many people die,
I how many lives are destroyed, and the slaughter and

(41:06):
the butchery and the killing fields, It's unspeakable. What they did,
what they have done in Ukraine is unspeakable. And what
Zelensky is now doing, as far as I'm concerned, is
utterly unspeakable. He should be ashamed of himself. Six one

(41:26):
seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight agree, disagree.
David in Ashland. Thanks for holding David, and welcome.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Good morning, Jeff.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
The story is keep on continuing. I think that Zelensky
should walk away, but I think what he needs to
let Zelensky know, and then I think what he Trump
should do is basically address the nation, let them know
what he's offered Zolenski. But my other point would be

(42:06):
that he needs to find out who's talking to Zelenski,
because if there are Democrats that are that are involved
in this, and there are globalists and involved, I think
you should mention it on TV. I think he should
let people know that there are people that are that
don't want this to happen. And you know, I think

(42:28):
that my other my other issue is all week, you know,
you're telling these stories and stuff, and what's happening is
they need to do something about the Smith Month Act.
They need to revoke it. They need to make the
media start telling the truth, because I mean, I have
conservative friends and I tell them some of the stuff

(42:49):
that's going on. I hear during the week, they never
heard of it, Like the rally today. A lot of
people don't even know about it that and they're in Massachusetts.
I mean, I think that they need to do something
with the Smith Month Month Act of twenty twelve and
make the media start telling the truth because what's going
to happen with the Ukraine thing right now? The media

(43:12):
is going to come out and blame everything on Trump.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Well, I think you're right, no, David. Look, the Smith
Month Act was a law passed after World War Two,
bye by the way, bipartisan support, just to show you
how the Democratic Party was a very different party then,
and it outlawed the media and the government, frankly both
from using propaganda or indoctrination or brainwashing the American people,

(43:40):
and Obama got rid. He repealed the Smith Month Act.
And if you've noticed, over the last thirteen years, everything
has changed, and we have to restore the Smith Month Act.
I think it's key to saving our country and saving
our republic. And you're right. The media propaganda is going

(44:00):
to be Donald Trump is to blame. Donald Trump is
walking away, Donald Trump is turning his back on Ukraine.
Zolensky is the hero. You see. If you notice, look,
they have one playbook, and it's the same playbook over
and over and over and over again. It's always Munich.
It's always nineteen thirty eight. Someone is Churchill, and the

(44:24):
people they want us to topple or fight a war
against is Hitler. It's always Churchill versus Hitler. It's always
Munich nineteen thirty eight. You honestly take your pick. So
Saddam husseying, well, he was Hitler and George W. Bush
was Churchill. I mean I could do it over and

(44:44):
over and over again. So bashar asad Hitler, Kadaffi Hitler.
Now putin he's Hitler, and who's Churchill? Zelensky Zolensky now
plays the role of Churchill. And so to pull this off,
it's like you know, freedom versus you know, authoritarianism, democracy

(45:07):
versus dictatorship. They have to lie. Zelensky is a thug.
You know what you don't hear in this country ever,
which is a fact. He has banned all opposition parties,
he has banned all opposition media. He has put dissenting
journalists and politicians in jail. By the way, He's ordered

(45:28):
the assassinations, the killings of certain political leaders who are
opponents of his. He has jailed priests, he's jailed monks,
He's shut down churches. I mean, I could go on
and on and on. This guy's no Churchill. Never mind
the the corruption, the billions and billions and billions that

(45:51):
he and his regime have stolen and siphoned off. So
what I'm saying is you have to have an honest
media to have a true democratic republic. If the media
is going to keep deliberately lying and brainwashing its citizens,
you're going to have major people aren't going to know
what's really going on. So you're completely right. David Trump

(46:15):
is going to have to address the nation and he's
going to have to tell them. Look, I want you
to know, Ukraine got a very good deal, not a
great deal. Why because they're losing the war, you know.
In other words, look, Trump needs to say one simple fact.
He goes in the history of humanity. Let me tell
you something. You can never win by diplomacy what you

(46:38):
have lost on the battlefield. It's just I'm sorry, that's
just the way life is. So at any dip in
throughout all of history, every diplomatic or peace settlement reflects
the military reality on the ground. If you lost the war,
you're not going to get a good peace deal in

(46:58):
the end. If you win war, you're gonna get a
good piece deal at the end. So Putin is basically
in control of Crimea, has been for over a decade.
He's in control of these four provinces in eastern Ukraine,
not all, but most of the territories in eastern Ukraine.
So that's what he's gonna keep. And to end the

(47:18):
cost is Belli of this war, the cause of it.
We're not gonna have Ukraine being NATO period. And there's
so it's a red line and you for Russia and
you can't cross it, and we're not gonna cross it. Okay,
So what does Ukraine get? They get the European Union,
They get territories back from Kharkiv. They still will have
access to the Black Sea. They're gonna have a deal

(47:41):
with the United States worth literally hundreds and hundreds, if
not trillions of dollars. In the future, you're gonna have
American corporations, American workers, American businesses. We're gonna be everywhere
in Ukraine. And we're gonna have the Europeans there with
their forces and their soldiers and selling the Ukrainians weapons
to give them ultimate security against any future invasion. Now,

(48:06):
if Ukraine wants to join the West, I've given you
the path. You want to end the war, I've given
you the path. I'm gonna get you. You're gonna keep
over eighty three percent of your country. Now you'll keep fighting.
You're gonna lose all of eastern Ukraine. You're gonna lose
your access to the Black Sea, because I'm telling you,

(48:28):
Russia will take They will take the major cities all
along the Black Sea. They'll take Odessa. Adessa is gonna fall.
If Adessa falls, Ukraine has no They're a landlocked country
and they sell grain. That's their big export, is wheaked.
So it's gonna devastate Ukraine. So you're gonna lose access

(48:51):
to the Black Sea. You're gonna lose Odessa. You're probably
gonna lose the capital. If the capital falls, pretty much
your country falls. Like I mean, hello, I'm trying to
save you, help me, help you. But this guy, and
it's not even that he turns around and says, look, Donald, Donald, Donald,

(49:15):
I cannot give up too much in eastern Ukraine. My
people will not support it. It's not like he comes
back and says, okay, look I can give him crimea.
I can sell that to my people. It's never really
been Ukrainian, so I can sell that. But Donald, you
got to help me out with some of these eastern provinces.

(49:35):
I got to cross some of that back. So it's
not even like he comes back and says, okay, here's
your proposal. Here's your counterproposal. So you say, well, okay,
he's serious about peace, he's trying to hammer out a deal. No,
his response always is yet yet nothing, not an inch,

(49:55):
not a centimeter, no concessions. In fact, not only no concessions,
he says, Russia's got to give us hundreds of billions
of dollars. Now, no Russian government, even if you overthrow
Putin today, no Russian government is going to say, yeah,
we'll give Ukraine, we'll pull all of our troops out.

(50:16):
So all of this suffering and death and bloodshed was
for nothing, and we're going to hand over hundreds of
billions of our dollars that we don't have. Frankly, that
that reparations to Ukraine. The Russian people will never accept this,
that's what he's asking, So he's not serious about peace