The Ruptured Alliance

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Okay, Stunned, I'm not gonna lie to you, Shocked, stunned, disappointed,
I don't like to see this. Those are just my
initial reactions yesterday as I saw what was unfolding practically
in real time.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
That's what's incredible.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
It started in the Oval Office with Trump and German
Chancellor Frederick Mert Mertz, and it just kept escalating, especially
on social media, and within twenty four hours, the historic
alliance between President Trump and Elon Musk is effectively now over.

(00:49):
It has been ruptured, it has been sundered. I don't
think they're gonna put this back together again. In fact,
I can tell you this with absolute certainty. Sources within
the Trump team say the breach between the two men
is absolutely irreparable, irreparable. People close to Elon Musk say

(01:12):
they don't know how realistically you can walk any of
this back anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
What began as a bromance and frankly as one of
the most important partnership and alliances in the history of
American politics.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
And let me just say this because.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
I'm gonna come after Elon hard and I think he
was out of line yesterday. I'm not saying both sides
don't have some blame, yes, like in every argument or
every feud, but fundamentally, there's no question in my mind
Elon crossed the line. He crossed the line many times.

(01:54):
This went from a policy dispute. Remember the trigger for
this massive feud was the so called Big Beautiful Bill.
And I thought Elon, as you know, I was on
the record about this. We had a whole show devoted
to it. We heard all sides. I respect all sides,
as you know, but my honest feeling is on the
merits of the bill. I thought Elon had a very

(02:16):
strong argument, there's too much pork and way too much spending.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Fix the bill. Well, it went.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
From fixing the bill, which is my position, improve the bill,
make it a better bill, to Elon waging a campaign,
a political jihad, demanding kill the bill, where he went
on x urging his millions, in fact, hundreds of millions

(02:45):
of followers, they're not all in the United States, many
around the world, but urging his followers to call their
member of Congress, to call their senator, to demand that
they sink and tank and kill the bill.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Well, that's an attack.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
On the very essence of Trump's presidency. We're not talking
now about Hey, there's way too much spending. Let's see
if we can rein in some of this spending. That's
to me, my position, and I think a reasonable position. No,
it went into you want to talk about stabbing the
president in the back. He went after Trump, He went

(03:24):
after his big, beautiful bill. He wanted to sink it.
He wanted now to defeat it. By defeating it. This
is Trump's presidency. There's no question now his presidency is
essentially hanging by a thread. Why because if this bill,
which is now in disarray because of this feud between

(03:44):
Elon Musk and Trump, Forget the feud, The bigger story
is can Trump now rescue his bill in the wake
of this.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
All out a political.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
This all out, a political, heavyweight showdown between these two men,
and the damage it's done long term. I believe to
the MAGA movement, you now have deeply divided camps, people
seriously hating one another now, and I don't think it's

(04:20):
the only people that love this are the Democrats, the media,
and the rhinos. They are loving this because this is
what they wanted. They wanted Musk and Trump at each
other's throats. But when everything is said and done, it
was Musk that called for the bill to be killed.

(04:42):
Trump went to the Oval Office meeting with Chancellor Mertz,
the German Chancellor, and was asked about you know, Elon,
and not just as criticisms of the bill.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
He's saying, the whole thing's gotta go.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Now, well, if this bill doesn't pass, you're talking about
four onero point five trillion dollars in massive tax increases
on everybody. Our taxes are going to go through the roof.
It is going to drive the economy into a recession.
Everything that Trump promised and campaigned on is in essence

(05:16):
in the bill. Extending making permanent the tax cuts, it's
in the bill. No taxes on tips in the bill,
No taxes on overtime in the bill. Massive support for
the wall, for border security, hiring border patrol agents, thousands
of them, for these mass deportations, it's.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
In the bill.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Rebuilding our military, it's in the bill. So everything that
Trump said he was going to achieve for the golden
era of MAGA and his presidency is in this bill.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
This bill goes.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Down in flames. Trump's presidency now is imploding in front
of our eyes. Corse, Trump is now going to come
out against Elon and hit him and hit him hard.
But I want to say this about Elon because this
needs to be said to be fair to him. He
campaigned for Donald Trump. He put his personal fortune at stake.

(06:18):
He literally spent hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions
of dollars in very key battleground states frankly like Pennsylvania
that I believe helped Trump win the election. He restored
freedom of speech on x which was crucial to countering

(06:39):
the lies and propaganda from the fake news media. So
he went in with DOGE, and I thought the work
that he did at DOGE was absolutely incredible. The corruption,
the waste, the fraud, the abuse that he uncovered, My god,

(07:02):
big government will never recover. The swamp will never recover
if they can follow up on everything that he exposed.
So I'm not gonna stand there and say that this
man is not a great businessman. He is. He's not
a great American, he's not a great entrepreneur. He wasn't
an incredible ally of Donald Trump's he was. But now

(07:26):
in a sense, that's all water under the bridge. When
Trump blasted Elon at that Oval Office presser where he
said that Elon was attacking him because Trump took out
the tax credits for electrical vehicles and solar panels, which

(07:48):
is in many ways now the bread and butter of Tesla. Tesla,
their batteries, their solar panels, they get billions of dollars
in subsidies, government money. Trump said, the reason why Elon
opposed the bill was because we were taking out all
of these subsidies. Now, I'll be honest with you, I

(08:09):
don't buy that argument. I don't because Elon has lost
so much money. I mean a fortune, tens and tens
and tens of billions of dollars. Look at what happened
to the stock of his companies. Look at the personal
risk he's taken, death threat after death threat after death threat,

(08:30):
for everything he's done for Doge, I honestly believe no.
He thinks it's too much pork. And then he responded
in real time to Trump saying, Okay, fine, don't put
in you know, the EV credits. If that's fine, I
don't care, Fine, take it away. But he said, get
rid of the Mountain of pork. So, okay, that was fine,

(08:53):
it's still on a policy level. Trump then encounters in
the Oval Office presser with Elon. Now I believe is
suffering from Trump de arrangement syndrome, because now he's going
to kill the bill. Now he doesn't want to just fine,
we have disagreements about the bill, but now you're talking
about literally sinking and defeating my signature legislation, which is

(09:20):
the central underpinning of my presidency. Well, now you're stabbing
me in the back. And that's when Trump said, I
believe Elon now suffers from Trump derangement syndrome. Elon at
that point went absolutely ballistic. Hell not, he went nuclear,

(09:44):
and that's where I believe he crossed the line. He
came out and then said that Trump was being ungrateful
in gratitude. According to Elon, Elon says he won the
election for Trump, that without Elon, Trump would have lost
the election, that the Democrats would still be in control

(10:07):
of Congress, and that in particular, Pennsylvania would have gone
to Kamala if it wasn't for Elon. So now he's
almost acting like I'm the king maker. I made you.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
I got you elected, which I don't think is true.
He was very important.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yes, Trump won in twenty sixteen without him, he was
always leading in the polls. No one's gonna tell me
that after that debaccle with Joe Biden and Kamala you know,
missus word salad and the you know, a drinky, drinky drinky,
that somehow Trump couldn't beat her.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
On his own. I don't believe that.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
So you've got Elon now saying no, no, no, no,
I made you. I made you president of the United States.
I gave you a Republican House, I gave you majorities
in the Senate, basically saying I made him.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Then he escalated to the point.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
That it's time now to create a new political party,
a party that he says, again, I'm just going by
what he said on X yesterday, a new political party
that will represent the eighty percent of people in the middle.
So now he's saying, let's destroy the MAGA movement, let's

(11:34):
splinter the entire Republican Party, and let's defect and break
away from MAGA, with essentially Elon as the kingmaker as
the leader. But it got worse. Elon then said it's
time to impeach President Trump. Now, impeach him over what.

(11:57):
Impeach him over what? And then, to me it was
the unthinkable. He accused President Trump of being in the
Epstein files with no evidence whatsoever. My friends, Elon is

(12:18):
a liar and a traitor.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
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