The Way Forward

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Two six six sixty eight sixty eight is the number.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I keep repeating myself, but it's
the truth. Really, it truly is best audience in the business.
I know I'm like a tape, but it's I'm sorry,
it's the truth. Please listen to this text seven zero

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four seven zero if you want to text the cooner
Man seven zero four seven zero. It's one of the
most profound texts text messages I've ever received. And it's
not just a brilliant point, it truly is. It's an
amazing point. Now it's a tadlong, so I'm just gonna
get to the essence of it, Jeff. The act of

(00:44):
forgiveness is one of the most difficult challenges. Christ calls
Christians to do everything within our flesh wants to resist
doing it. It's even hard than laying down one's own pride.
But we are called to forgive, remembering that Christ has

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forgiven us for our since and he goes it's the
key to spiritual growth, and he's right or whatever. Six
O three is right. But then six O three goes
on to say this, and this is so true and
so profound, and it's really I almost feel like like

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the spirit of Charlie Kirk is now living through this
text message. But there is another reason Jesus calls us
to forgive. If we hold onto that unforgiveness, it will
fill our hearts with hatred and will eventually eat us

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up inside. It has been said that quote, unforgiveness is
like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die unquote,
it will eventually consume you. Yesterday, Erica Kirk demonstrated for

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the entire world what we are called to do in
even the most difficult of situations, and we would all
be wise to take her example to heart. Myself included magnificent.
Magnificent because it's so true, so true. I've known people

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in my life. I don't want to say who who
just couldn't forgive and unforgiveness. As six oh three points out,
that hatred, that bitterness, that constant longing for revenge and retribution,
It truly is a poison. I'm telling you, It just

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eats you up. It consumes you, controls your life, and
and I'm like, no, you've you believe it or not,
you've lost. The person who committed this offense has really
won because look at you. You can't stop thinking about it.

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It dominates so much of your life, NonStop every day.
So in a way, you know, what christ is saying,
and what Erica Kirk did yesterday is don't put that
burden on yourself. Don't drink that toxic poison for you.
It's not just for the you know, for the person

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that you're forgiving, but ultimately for you. Let it go
for you. Six one seven two six six sixty eight
sixty eight. Okay, let me throw this. The lines are jammed,
but I want to throw this log on the fire.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
In fact, you know what, let me play this cut first.
That will really set up the log on the fire. Mike,
do me a favor, play cut one hundred go.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
He left this world without regrets. He did one hundred
percent of.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
What he could every day. But I want you to
know something.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Charlie died with incomplete work, but.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Not with unfinished business. Charlie and I were united in purpose.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
His passion was my passion, and now his mission is
my mission. Everything that turning point USA built through Charlie's
vision in hard work, we will make ten times greater
through the power of his memory.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
In other words, his spirit will live on through me.
As she put it, I thought, very eloquently, very powerfully,
his purpose is my purpose. His mission is now my mission.
Now my question to you, after that spectacular and very
powerful moving speech that she delivered yesterday, is she now

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not only going to carry on the torch of Charlie Kirk,
which she clearly will. But we all talked about Charlie Kirk,
especially after his ruthless, brutal assassination, even though he was
only thirty one years years of age, thirty one years old,
how much he had already accomplished, but how much more

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was still to be done, That he was destined to
be president, to be vice president, to be senator, that
he had a glorious political future, a very bright political
future in front of him. After yesterday's speech, Erica Kirk, young,

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very articulate, telligenic, can reach young people, can reach even
more than young people, as we saw last night or
yesterday afternoon, forgive me. Is she walking now in Charlie
Kirk's footsteps? Does she have a very bright political future
in front of her? Can you now see her the

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way we all saw Charlie Kirk as a future president,
a future vice president, a future senator, in other words,
a future, very popular, influential, powerful leader. I love that song.
I love that song, and I just want to thank

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Mike for having played it during our tribute to Charlie
Kirk today on the Kuner Report. Six seven two six
six sixty eight sixty eight is the number, Okay, I
want to go right back to the phone lines, just
very very quickly. It the early speakers were largely ministers

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at the beginning of yesterday's memorial. However, the politicians came later.
And what was striking is that I believe the entire
don't quote me on this, but if it wasn't the
entire cabinet, it was practically the entire cabinet. The entire cabinet,
or close to it, was in the stadium, and it

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was packed, As I said, it was seventy thousand full
to the rafters, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands
outside who wanted to get in but just couldn't because
there was no more space, and so they washed it
on his massive screen. There were congressional leaders there, obviously.
Marco Rubio spoke, till See Gab spoke, Pete Hegseth spoke,

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J D. Vance, the Vice President spoke. Obviously, President Trump spoke,
Don Junior spoke, so many people spoke. Tucker Carlson obviously
spoke as well. Elon Musk. This was a great moment
joined President Trump in Trump's suite. You saw them together.

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They shook hands, they chatted, they spoke in a very nice,
friendly manner. Everybody is hoping now that they've buried the
hatchet and that they're going to patch up their differences,
because that's what Charlie Kirk wanted. He wanted them to
be unified for the good of our country and to
defeat the radical left. And the other thing that struck me,

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and I just want to get your take on this
as well, is that the speakers at the memorial, all
of them spoke from behind bulletproof glass. Charlie Kirk obviously
didn't use that safety measure. He didn't want that to
come between him and the students that he wanted to

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touch and talk to and debate with and have a
dialogue with. But is this now also, is this going
to be a necessary feature of American life going forward
that a you won't have outdoor events or they're going
to try to minimize them it's going to be more
indoor to prevent snipers from going on roofs and shooting people.

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You know, left wing assassins. Are you going to need
to speak with a bulletproof glass in front of you?
Is that also going to be now a feature in
American life? And I mentioned the shooting of a wedding reception,
the party after the actual wedding in Nashaua another act

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of left wing terrorism. At least one guest was murdered
to others severely wounded by an assassin, a left wing
terrorist who shouted free, Free Palestine. I talked about another
anti Trump leftist. This was in Sacramento on Friday. The
one in Nashville was Saturday evening on Friday. Another anti

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Trump leftist, a terrorist came to an ABC affiliate in
Sacramento and literally shot up the building, firing three shots
inside a window, hoping to kill someone to protest the
firing of Jimmy Kimmel. Is now left wing terror? Terrorism,
political violence, political murder, an assassination culture. Is this now

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just becoming part of life in America? That any day
it could be you, it could be me, it could
be any of us. That this is now how unhinged,
how diabolical, how fanatical, and how evil the radical left

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has become. Six one seven two six six sixty eight
sixty eight lines are loaded. Betty in Quinsy. Thanks for
holding Betty and welcome. Yeah, Hi, Betty.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
How's it going good?

Speaker 1 (11:29):
How are you good?

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Good? I'm still in Arizona, so there a little bit
behind you guys right now. But Jeff, the answer to
your question is yes, yes, yes. Erica what a superstar,
shining star. She she was so amazing And to be
in that arena yesterday, I mean, I think all of

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us left there, you know, you think it's a funeral
service and send off, but everybody left there really with
a in their steps. It was really a revival. Jeff,
it was. It was amazing. It was a celebration. And
I've never seen two people more evenly matched, you know,

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than Charlie and Erica. And so to your point, she's
going to pick up where he left off, and she's
going to really bring it, she said. Yesterday, she said, Charlie, baby,
she said, I am not going to let you down.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
She said, I am.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Going to take this to the highest point. She said,
I'm going to take your mission and I am going
to take it to reach you in heaven. It was
just she was so powerful, Jeff, I don't know where.
You know, you have to say her faith really brought
her through this, because to have that much, you know,

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that that power, that class. I mean, she was, she
was funny, she was sad, she was angry, and the
level of forgiveness, I mean everybody in the place was crying.
Everybody was just so touched, so touched. And when she
said that, you know, I really thought, in my heart

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of hearts that maybe this is not only the turning
point for America and for his message and his mission,
but the turning point to the left and the right
to come together. And you know, I put on the
TV this morning just to see and you know, morning Joe.
The one thing he pulls out of that is that

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Erica is so forgiving. But Trump hates his opponents. I mean,
everybody knows Trump and his you know, the way he
is and he jokes around and stuff. But that's what
they're coming away with. I mean, Charlie Kirk, I mean,
he is very much alive in everybody, not only Erica
through turning point, through millions of our patriotic and god

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fearing Americans. What amaze me, Jeff. Also with the people
in line. We get up at three thirty in the morning,
got over there, We had to get out early and
walk like a couple of miles to the arena, and
you know, people are afraid, Oh, I can't do this,
I can't do that. I was so amazed and so,

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I mean just it was so hopeful to be there.
There were people in wheelchairs, there were old ladies, old men,
there were veterans, There were kids. Some lady was holding
like two babies. I don't say were twins, but the
amount of little kids and the families that were there,
it was it was just so you know, inspiring, Jeff.

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I mean, it was just off the charts.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
And well, what you're describing, Betty, And we only got
about a minute left, so I got to ask you this.
But what you're describing is it's the spectrum of America.
That's what we saw. Now many on the left are
coming out and saying that what you attended, in fact,
what you are is a Nazi. I'm serious. And what
you're describing and what you attended was a Nazi rally,

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a fascist, white supremacist rally, what say you, Betty.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
It's just they have it all wrong. And I don't
know if it was jd Vance, but she said, you
know what, they have nothing, they build nothing, they make nothing.
There's no solutions. They've just been handed this this lie.
And that's why I was hoping that people would be
tuning in and watching. It changed so many lives. And

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you know what, we have to keep believing. We have
to keep praying.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Amen, Amen, and just keep speaking the truth. That's what
we have to do. Six one seven two six, six
sixty eight sixty eight is the number Harry in champs Ford.
Thanks for holding Harry, and welcome.

Speaker 6 (15:53):
Good morning, Jeff.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
How you doing very good? How are you, Harry?

Speaker 6 (15:58):
Good? Yes, was I'll tell you a day that I've
been waiting. I hate to say it was celebrating someone's death,
but it was a day that's been waiting to come. Hopefully,
I've been hoping for for this country most of my
adult life, because we have walked so far away from
God and his graces in this country. And Charlie was

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definitely someone who was trying to bring us back. Hard
as it was that he was out on the front
lines telling people about morality, and decency and human kindness
and these type things that are good attributes towards life.
Had all these people that are lost in their fears
and angers and just blind guided, you know, And that's

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what he was out on the front lines with and
you know it ended up costing him in his life.
But I'm going to say this as a Christian, and
sometimes the things Jesus calls us to do, he never
claimed us to have an easy light, and we got
to do hard things times, hard things to unyielding granted.

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And that man that took his life, his heart at
the time was hard granted about what he was doing
and there was no way to stop it, the evil
that was on him that day.

Speaker 5 (17:17):
But Jesus Christ, when he was hanging on that cross dying,
he cried out and people heard it and he said,
forgive them, Father, but they know not what they do.
And I will guarantee you that if Charlie his last second,

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that he could say something, as that bullet up through
his throat, he was probably saying to give him, they
know not what they do. And his wife got as
that was showed us the same thing. And it's just
a beautiful thing. And you know what we're talking about

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that guy now in jail, sitting there. The law is
going to do it, the law has to do. Justice
will be served, Yes, But how about this sometime during
now and he ends his life and they take his
life foot down that he finds this awakens him up

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in his heartened heart, and he seeks forgiveness for what
he did. How about that, and he claims his starts
of relationship with Jesus Christ, he will be forgiven too.
So sometimes the things we do are hard to do,
but there's always something good on the other end of it.

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As much as I have hard times saying that right now,
but there could be good in this for that man's
life too, in the end of his days.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Well, Harry, look, Harry, you're being very I think, eloquent
and extremely compassionate and very powerful. From everything I've read,
Tyler Robinson, the murderer, the person you're talking about, is
proud of what he's done. He doesn't think he did
anything wrong. He is still deeply indoctrinated. He is a

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firm believer in the LGBTQ far left ideology that he's
been under the spell of now for the last couple
of years. And I believe the role of his transgender
boyfriend that you know, the furry is going to get
come out. He had the biggest influence on him. He

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hated Christians. He hates Christians, he hates Conservatives. He was
obsessed with Charlie Kirk, and he clearly radicalized. Kirk's eventual
killer and murderer. And no, he's becoming a hero on
the left. And he loves playing the role of the hero.

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And he thinks he's done nothing wrong. He thinks he's taken,
he's made, he's convinced he's made the world a better place.
And what you're hearing now on the left, I'm sorry
to say this, not everyone, but in many quarters is
they've got a lot of work to do. They for them,
this is just the beginning. It's not the end. And

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so my fear is, and I hate to say this,
but I think we're not at the end. I think
we're just at the beginning. I think you're going to
see many more acts of left wing political violence. You're
going to see many more murders. You're going to see
many more assassinations. They're they're taking out you know, they're
attacking weddings now or to be more accurate wedding you know,

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wedding receptions. They're shooting up buildings, They're they're assassinating people.
I can't. They're sending pipe bombs again in New Hampshire again,
a left wing terrorist sent a pipe bomb to kill
Governor k Kelly. They're not stopping, and all you have
to do is go on social media. They for them.

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This assassination has emboldened, empowered and galvanized them. That's why
we need the death penalty on this. There has to
be a price, and a very severe price, because it's
not going to stop. And look they look, they wanted
Trump dead. They had him, by the grace of God,

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he's alive today, but they had him. That shooter had
him dead in his rights. That bullet was fired. It
was heading straight for Trump's brain. And had not God
inter had God not interfered God, we may even be
in a civil war right now. So this is where
our country is. It is at a very perilous moment.

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We are hanging by a thread. And what you saw
yesterday was not just the act to a very devout, devoted,
faithful Christian echoing your words of forgiveness and compassion and
redemption and salvation, but of a patriot. Erica Kirk is

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a patriot like Charlie Kirk, and she's saying, I don't
want us to go down this dark road of more
assassinations and more murders, because eventually this will tear the
country apart. There's only so much people can take. I'm sorry,
just a fact, let's not go down this road. And

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I'm sorry, Harry, but this is not a question of
retribution or revenge. I'm telling you, this is self preservation
and survival. What I'm telling everybody now, you cannot have
a media that continues to lie and incite and spread
hatred that was not a Nazi rally. If you think

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it's a Nazi rally, a fing insane and it's incitement,
you're gonna get people killed. If I say we forgive
our enemies and we want peace and tolerance and forgiveness,
and you say that's the second coming about Alf Hitler,
you're itching for a war. In other words, there's nothing

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that we can do. There's liricly, there's nothing except just
full capitulation and surrender. And even then, I'm telling you,
they don't stop. So you have to understand what we're
dealing with now. The Democratic Party is gone. It's gone.
To everybody listening, please get that out of your mind.

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Forget about John F. Kennedy, Forget about Harry Truman, forget
even about Jimmy Carter. I'm telling you those days are gone.
This is the Communist Party of the United States. What
is now in power. Okay, that's what's in Congress. That's
the governor of our state and many states. That's what

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controls many state legislatures. They're potentially poised to win the midterms.
We'll see what happens. That they are the Communist Party
of America. That's what they are now. Show to me
anywhere in the world since the Bolshevik Revolution the first
time they seize power. Show me where the Communists have

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ever been peaceful ever? One just one, just one just once,
one one country, one government, one time. You can't don't bother.
I'm telling you you can't. So look here, okay, Just
to make my point, this was on Friday. They knew

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that Charlie Kirk's memorial was on Sunday. This was in
the wake of Jimmy Kimmel losing or being suspended or whatever,
losing a show. There was a vote resolution on the
floor of Congress in the House. It was a very
simple resolution. It was very similar to the resolution in

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the Minnesota state legislature a couple months ago when a
Democrat lawmaker, Melissa Hortman, was gunned down along with her husband.
Every Republican voted for that resolution, every single Republican. It

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condemned the murder of Melissa Hortman, it honored her memory
and her life because the poor woman died, and it
condemned political violence. So what the Republicans did was they said,
what was good enough for Melissa Hortman should be good
enough for Charlie Kirk. By the way, she was a
very liberal Democrat. So what did the resolution say? We

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honor Charlie Kirk's memory and legacy and we condemn political violence.
That's it, Like literally, that's it. I'm telling you. That's
the resolution. Now to unify. You would think every Democrat
would come out and say, well, yeah, you're honoring a
guy who was killed in cold blood for political reasons.

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Of course, Yeah, we're going to sign on to it. Yeah,
we condemned political violence, of course, this is a no brainer.
Fifty eight Democrats voted against explicitly said blank you we're
not voting for this, and thirty eight more voted quote
unquote present, meaning we can't sign off on this. We're

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not going to vote against because boy, it's really unseemly,
but we're not signing off on this. So basically close
to one hundred Democrats couldn't vote for or literally vocally
opposed a resolution condemning political violence. Now here it is

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who led the charge on the House floor. Just so
that you know, Zoron Mumdani is shooting up in the polls.
He's going to be the next mayor. You know who's
backing him to the hilt. Alexandria Fidel Castro Cortes AOC.

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She's the one now. She sees socialism now rising in
her party, taking over her party. The Democratic Socialists of
America have essentially now captured and taken over and hijacked
the Democratic Party. She is now, along with Bernie Sanders,

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the two de facto leaders of that party. She led
the charge on the House floor. Listen to what she said. Okay,
he hasn't been buried yet. Listen to AOC world cut

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fourteen Mike.

Speaker 7 (28:21):
Today's resolution only underscores the Majority's recklessness by choosing to
author this condemnation and honoring on a purely partisan basis,
instead of uniting Congress in this tragedy with one of
the many bipartisan options to condemn political violence and Kirk's murder,

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as we did with the late Melissa Hortman. Instead, the
Majority proceeded with a resolution that brings great pain to
the millions of Americans who endured segregation, Jim Crow, and
the legacy of bigotry.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Today, she's claiming that Charlie Kirk supported Jim Crow, which
is a lie, that Charlie Kirk supported segregation. It's a
I gotta be careful if bomb almost came out. That
is a freaking lie. That he was a bigot. That

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is a lie. But she's saying, we're not gonna hey,
now they're the victims. Listen, it is you're asking us
to honor basically, he's a member of the Klan. You're
asking us to honor this hater, this racist, this white supremisist.

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How can you do this to us? And then she continued,
this is pure defamation. Now what you're hearing, it's libel,
it's slander. It is pure defamation. Right there on the
House floor World cut fourteen, A Mike, we.

Speaker 7 (30:00):
Should be clear about who Charlie Kirk was a man
who believed that the Civil Rights Act that granted Black
Americans the right to vote was a mistake, who, after
the violent attack on Paul Pelosi, claimed that quote some
amazing patriot unquote should bail out his brutal assailant, an

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accused Jews of controlling quote not just the colleges, it's
the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it. Unquote.
His rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant, uneducated, and sought to
disenfranchise millions of Americans far from the working quote working

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tirelessly to promote unity unquote asserted by the majority in
this resolution.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Okay, let me say this right now. I'm going to
say it. I'm going to say it. I'm going to
say it. She's now running for president. Okay, it's come
out now. She's laying the groundwork. She wants to be
either a next US senator, if from New York. If
she can't be US senator, she wants to be president.

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If this, if this comeback, if this lying piece of
you know, what this pos this Marxist communist Sandinista ever
becomes president of the United States. I'm telling you this
country is over. This will lead to a civil war.

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This woman is a lunatic, and she's worse than a lunatic.
She's like a child with a gun. She's a lunatic
who likes to who's a bomb thrower. He never said
any of that. Notice, quote him, quote him, quote the day,

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quote the time, quote the source where he allegedly said
everything that she just claimed. Where did he ever defend
Jim Crow? That's a lie. Where did he ever say
that Paul Pelosi, he had it coming. We should bail
out the guy who took up baseball back to him.

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He never said that ever, ever, Just like they're claiming
he supported slavery, That is a bald faced lie, a
lie in the designed only to spread hatred. That's the

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only objective to dehumanize the opposition, to dehumanize Charlie Kirk,
to libel him, to smear him, to demonize him. And
you can't even wait till the body's day, till the
body's buried, you can at least wait to do that. No,

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they oppose the resolution, not just because they hate Charlie Kirk,
although obviously they do. They want political violence. Look, let
me say the quiet part out loud. They believe he
had it coming. AOC believes, Yeah, you gotta coming. Kill
the freaking racist, kill the Nazi, kill them, shoot them,

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shoot them all where, and you ask us to warn them.
That's what she's saying on the House floor. That's the
Democratic Party now period. That's why we have to win.
That's why we have to now speak truth to power.
We can't bury our heads in the sand. Mom, Donnie

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is going to be the mayor. Michelle wu is gonna
get re elected to a second term. I could go
on and on. She's likely to potentially be their presidential
nominee in twenty twenty eight. This lunatic. I'm sorry, man.

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If we're not Charlie Kirk, we're dead.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Now.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
I believe in forgiveness. I don't believe in suicide. So
what am I supposed to do? Well, we're just supposed
to sit back and let them pick us off one
by one. Hey, I don't have a death wish. I'm
just gonna be honest with you, and I certainly don't
have a death wish for this country. Now, it's not

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just the lies that that AOC spewed on the House floor.
To our eternal shame, eternal shame. She should be censured, literally,
she should be censured. We're the Republicans. This is beyond
political bs. And by the way, Charlie Kirk now is

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an anti Semite. Charlie Kirk Now, the Jews are everywhere. Uh,
talk to your colleague elanomar mm, talk to your friends
who are protesting on all these campuses at Columbia University
and elsewhere. Those are your people. AOC. He was one
of the staunchest defenders of Israel I've ever known, and

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of the Jewish people and Jewish culture and Jewish civilization.
He never said any of this. But then along comes Ilanomer.
She also voted against a resolution. She came out now
and said, listen to this, that Somalia is a better

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place to live than Trump's America. She literally came out
and said that charles Ley Kirk was such a racist
and such a bigot that America is better off with
him dead. She basically said he had it coming, he

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deserved it. And then you're not gonna believe what she
said