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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, Larry on Messenger made a really good point
about you know, well is it a health hazard to
others if you know you're not vaccinated? And well, as
Larry pointed out, look, let's take the measles. If you're vaccinated,
So you're vaccinated. So what's the problem. Isn't the point
(00:20):
of a vaccination that you can't contract an illness? So
let's say someone has the measles, but you're vaccinated against
the measles, So what are you worried about? In other words,
either the vaccinations work or they don't work. If they
work and you have it, you shouldn't be worried. But
if they don't work, then why are you taking it?
(00:43):
So again, the whole liberal argument, as far as I'm concerned,
completely collapses when it comes to this case and this issue.
But that's me. Hello, did we lose John? Johnny there? Okay,
I think he's said you mother f for or mother
f this and anyway, So we'll see if we can
(01:05):
reconnect with John. Let's go to Catherine in Boston. Thanks
for holding Katherine and welcome, Hi Jeff.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
This is Catherine Vitally. Hi Catherine, So I have a
really important message for you and your listeners, if you'll
let me get to it. But first, I just want
to say that the unfortunate truth of this DCF story
is that it's not unique. It happens to millions of
families all over the country, and it's been happening for decades.
(01:38):
I myself had my children taken away by DCF in
twenty eighteen, and that's the reason why I got involved
in politics. They were taken for five months.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Oh my god. Yeah, Catherine, if you don't mind me asking,
what was the pretext for them taking your children?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So I've had three different cases. The one where they
were taken away was my second case, and they were
taken away because my son got a spanking and he
had a bruise and the daycare called.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You're kidding, no, and you spanked your son. You spanked
your son and you got a little bruise and did
daycare complained? And they called DCF. Yes, so they're going
to be they're telling us now how to discipline our
own children.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Exactly. And so my kids were in foster care for
five months and it tore my family apart. I'm now
a single parent on welfare because of DCF. It completely
ruined my family. And then when I was protesting in
front of Michelle Woshouse in twenty twenty two, they gave
me another case and they tried to take my children
(02:52):
twice in twenty twenty two. But in twenty eighteen, when
they got my kids the first time, I wasn't aware
of my rights. In twenty twenty two when they tried
to come for them two more times, I was aware
of my rights and I represented myself in court and
they didn't get my kids again. And so my biggest
message to you and your listeners everybody with kids, you
(03:14):
have to know your rights. That's the most important thing,
because they will come for everybody. They will come for
all of us. Every single parent thinks, oh, this will
never happen to me. I thought the same thing after
I went through my first case. My first case was
open and shut, there was no problem, and so I
still was naive and thought that DCF was a good thing,
(03:35):
that Child Predictive Services was a good thing, until they
came and ripped my children onto my home a couple
of years later. And nobody thinks it will happen to
them until it happens. And ninety nine point nine percent
of parents are not prepared when it does happen to them.
The most important thing that anybody could do as a
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parent is to learn your rights and do not cooperate
with these agencies. There is no law that says you
have to cooperate with these agencies. Just don't do it.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Okay now, Catherine, if you don't mind me, I agree
with you completely. Don't get me wrong, but let's take
the Riveras they didn't cooperate with DCF. DCF came to
their home demanded to go in. They this was the
first time, and Izy Rivera, the father, said no, we
don't need you where. There's nothing wrong with our children.
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They're fine, they're healthy, they're well taken care of. You
have no reason to be here, and we don't need
to let you in. We don't need to cooperate. They
then put a notice on the door saying that if
he doesn't cooperate, they're going to take custody of his children.
And they came in with the Fitchburg police. And then
they came back again the day later and they had
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more police and more DCF workers, and this time they're saying,
we're taking your kids. So then they left to go
to Texas, but apparently there was a court order saying
they had to show up in court. So they said
you had no right to cross state lines because you
had to show up in court. So, Catherine, my question
to you is, you know you're saying you don't have
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to cooperate. DCF insisted to the Riveras they had to
cooperate at the risk of losing their children. What say you?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
So?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I know John Eastman, but I haven't heard all the
details of this entire story. I'm sure that at this point,
I think the Rivera's are doing the right thing. The
right thing is to make the story as public as possible.
The problem with this, and the reason why we don't
hear about these cases, is because there's so much judgment
and shame when it comes to having a child Protective
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Services case. Nobody wants to put their story out there
because you get judged. People.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Oh Catherine, I'm up against the heartbreak. Please hang on, Okay,
We're going to go right back to Catherine Vitally in Boston.
Catherine has had her children unfortunately taken away from her.
She had to fight to get them back. She says
this is not new DCF and child Protective Services as
it's called in other states, have been doing this to
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millions of Americans, essentially kidnapping their children from them, and
then it's World War three to try to get them back.
And what they like to do is they like to
operate in the shadows. People have a sense of shame
that this has happened to them, So there's almost a
conspiracy of silence. And Catherine is saying that's the worst
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thing to do. You want to win this, you have
to go public. You have to get the media involved.
You've got to get people involved, or else they're going
to bury you in court. Catherine, can you please pick
up where you left off. You were saying you think
the Riveras did the right thing by publicizing their case,
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and you think ultimately they will prevail. Correct, Yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
And actually, back when I had my last case in
twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three, there was another case
with a rabbi that we were working on with Joan Eastman,
and we did a protest in front of the DCF
headquarters in Boston back in twenty twenty three for that
rabbi and my case was going on. I had court
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the next day and that protest was brought up in
court and because of that protest, the judge backed off
and that's one of the reasons why I won my case.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Interesting. Interesting, Catherine, what do you for Kooner country? For
people listening? A lot of people want to get involved,
They want to they want to help the Riveras and
more importantly, they want to stop. Now this state sanctioned kidnapping,
this notion now that the state owns our children, that
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our children aren't ours, but they belong to the government.
What do you recommend, what's what's the what should they
do if they want to help the Riveras and prevail
in this case.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Well, first of all, people need to recognize that the
government is not our friend. The government uses these agencies
to control and silence people. So before making passing judgment
on any parents, you should be getting the whole story.
And we need to call for the dismantle of child
protective services across the country. It does way more harm
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than good. And back in twenty nineteen, the statistics were
that ninety two percent of child removals were found unwarranted,
meaning that whatever the problem was, it could have been
fixed with the child saying intact in the home it
causes unnecessary trauma, and it's all about money. It's a
child trafficking industry. They get federal funding every time they
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adopt a child out.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
That's unbelievable. Unbelievable, Catherine, you're a warrior. Catherine, thank you
very much for that call. I really appreciated. Okay, let's
go to Joan Quinn Eastman. She is the reporter that
broke initially broke this story in the Boston Broadside, and
she's got a follow up story. You can read it.
(09:10):
You've got all the latest details on this case. Go
to Boston Broadside dot com Boston Broadside dot com. Joan,
how are you well?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I am extremely grateful that you were. You reacted to
this the same way I did. This story came to
me a week ago Friday, and it's been twenty four
to seven ever since. Jeff and I just have to say,
I echo everything that Catherine just said, and I've got
more And isn't it interesting? The reason that this story
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is having such a visceral reaction with the nation is
because it has to do with our children. What greater
weapon can be used against us than our children? Jeff Will,
It will take the strongest man and put them on
his knees. It's the saddest thing. And there at completely
and totally exploiting this, which is one of the biggest
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reasons I'm so outraged about this and so committed to
getting this story out and getting it to people who
are actually taking action and affecting change. And Catherine mentioned
Rabbi Green. I just reposted that story because it's eerily similar.
Children's hospital did not agree with him not vaccinating his children,
and the parents wanted to get a second opinion on
(10:26):
a procedure. They wanted to put one of their children
under the knife, and they stepped back and said no,
and then they were pursued by CPS the same way.
They ended up moving to Kentucky. But so interesting how
they become full circle. Jeffs here you are more than
ten years later after Justina Pelletier for the same reason,
striking that chord about a child being used as a weapon.
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And it's divine who is the advocate who helped me
with my own DCF case with a family member eight
years ago, which is why I'm having this conversation with
you right now.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Jeff.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
It's incredible, so full circle here we are and yes,
let's get a rally. Let's do everything we can. I
would like to discuss an update with about the parents
and also give people concrete action items and steps that
they can take to help beat back this evil, because
make some mistake about it, it is evil.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
So Joan, before we I promise, I want to get
to that, but I just got to ask you this,
and I'm asking you now to remove yourself as the reporter.
You did an amazing job. I guess I'm urging everybody
to read your work. You have laid out the case
so well and so so powerfully, and so effectively and coherently,
(11:45):
and I think that's honestly. I'm not saying this to
stroke your ego. I'm seeing the broadside in your piece,
in particular being mentioned in national publications, national media outlets,
is being quoted everywhere because I think you laid it
out so well. But I'm not asking now Joan Quinn Eastman,
the journalist, the reporter. I'm almost asking now for Joan
(12:05):
Quinn Eastman, the commentator, the opinion, the opinion journalist. Now
your opinion. Why do you think they targeted the riveras?
Is it because they're a homeschooling family, maybe a conservative family,
I don't know their politics. A religious family. Is that
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why they were singled out? What made DCF go thunderdome
on these two poor people and their five children? In
your view?
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Oh, I know what it is. And Jeff, this is
one of the most important things that caused me to
call you this morning. If you look at the Channel
five piece and the Math live piece on this father,
he stood in court two weeks ago and he spoke
the truth. He spoke truth, He knows his rights, and
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the courts just don't understand it. And now subsequently the
media is trying to portray him as mentally unstable. They
actually said to his mother, you are an accomplished to
this crime because they drove in a car that was
owned by you. She was out of the country when
they left. She had nothing to.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Do with it.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
And they said you're a fault because you didn't get
your child, your son, your thirty one year old son,
mental health help. They are trying to paint him as
mentally unstable because Jeff, he knows his rights and he
was speaking the truth, and the corrupt legal courts do
not want people to know the truth. And I want
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to be sure that Bill, he will take stories in
print paper print articles that no one else will touch.
You're telling stories that no one else will touch. So
Bill Malujin here we are. We're on this. We're on
this all the way. But that is what's going on here.
They want to silence him. They're making it example out
of him. I want to give you some insight about
the case, okay. So the mother immediately went with a lawyer.
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I did interview the lawyer. The lawyer said that he
believes this case is going to be dismissed. Now, the
father was all ready to represent him, not to represent himself,
to stand for himself in this case, but things kind
of went haywire while he was waiting to go to court,
(14:27):
and he got cold feet, and he's cut off communication
with all the people who were informing him about his rights.
And so I believe what's happened here, after speaking at
length with the mother's attorney is that they are so
confident that this is going to be dismissed. He's just
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going to lean on that get his case dismissed too,
because the two cases are so similar, Jeff, that if
the mother's case gets dismissed, his will too. But we
the people need to rise up and say we're not
even waiting for court, get this family out, reunite them,
and the monstrosities of dcs as Catherine was touching on
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the nerve of these people, to incarsonrate the parents for
a month, and then when mother bails out the astronomical
fee of seventy five hundred dollars, she's relegated to supervise
visits with her children. Now, the big thing that needs
to be done right now is the father needs to
get out of jail so they can get these charges dismissed.
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And that is going to take the astronomical fee of
twenty five thousand dollars, the same veil that they require
for murderers for a man who took his family out
of the state, which he has every right to do.
I mean, this case is outrageous on so many levels,
and so there's a gives them go, please go there police,
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support this family. I've got people reaching out to you.
I've been inundated with thousands of messages. I can't keep
up with them. Horror stories like Catherine's, like my own families,
and there's a stigma attachment. Like you said, it's like
a silent crime. If you will, people are they're reluctant
to come forward about it, but we've got to. We
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have to keep shining the light on all of this.
And so go to give send go. Look for Busy
and Ruth's fits for family and justice?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
All right, So Joan, if you could just go a
little bit slower on this, because I know people are
taking notes, So give send go. You go to give
send go, and then what do you look for?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Izzy and Ruth? If you put that in and should
come up, it's their fight for family and.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Justice, right and give send go. I Isy and Ruth.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Need to get the father out. Number one. Number two,
we the people need to take action. It is our
lawful right and our duty to instruct our public servants.
If we don't tell them what to do, they're going
to do whatever they want. And whatever they want is
tearing families apart like this. Once CCS gets their clutches
into you, it is this well oiled machine. It pays
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several salaries to have a child in the system. If
the child is handicapped, they get seven times more of
the funding. They do not want you out of the system.
Once they get you, they've got you for a really,
really long time. Most cases last two years minimum if
you're even lucky to get your child back. I'm speaking
from personal experience here.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Jat incredible. We've been talking with Joe and I'm sorry,
I'm up against it, but listen, Joan, you have done
yeoman work. Okay, Look, the text line is literally going
to blow. The text line has been burning up all show.
My inbox is full. I mean, I don't mean full
as and you can't send me an email, but you
know what I mean. It's inundated with emails. My messenger
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is burning up on my cell phone. Many of you
are saying, don't talk about it. Cooner. You got to
do it. You got to do it. We need a rally, Jeff,
We need a rally. So obviously you want to give
me a heart attack. That's what No. I can see
it now, I can see it. It's you know you. Obviously,
this audience, you guys want to you know, an early
grave for the Cooner man. So it's not enough that
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we're going to be doing a rally on May seventeenth
to push for the state audit that the voters ratified
and voted for in November. Now you want me to
do another rally, and it's got to be quick because
this family's in trouble and we've got momentum. We've got
the whole country behind us, so we're going to have
to strike while the iron's hot. So that's okay, No, no,
(18:38):
that The only thing I ask is this, Okay that
if I do get like a heart attack or a
stroat whatever, I get a massive heart attack and that's it.
I die an early death. Could you at least show
up to the funeral. That's all I can you do
me that, that's all. If you guys do that for me,
I'm a happy man. So so here's what I'm gonna do.
(19:01):
All right, let me talk to Joan when I get
off the air. Let's see what we can organize. I'm
thinking obviously this weekend, no, it's Easter weekend. No, but
maybe something next weekend. Maybe. I don't want to say anything.
I'm not committing to anything, but it's got to be
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done in about a week ten days maximum. If people
are willing to help, and I need help from everybody,
and people are willing to show up, it's a question
of bodies. Now, the bigger the turnout, the bigger the pressure,
the more likely it is that the Riveras will be
released and their children will be reunited with them. But
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you've got to show up. This anger has to be
translated into action and into showing up with signs and
bringing family and friends with you. So if Cooner Country,
if you're willing to show up, I'm going to talk
to Joan. I need help putting this together. But you know,
we got to get a sound system. We've got to
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get a place to rally, someplace that we know is
going to be effective, put together some speakers. But if
we can do this quickly, I will do everything in
my power. I promise you to make it happen. And
I think we can win, not just this case. I
think we can win this issue decisively, not just in
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Massachusetts but across the entire country. But I need you
to ride with me. You ride with me, I will
ride with you. Six one seven two six six sixty
eight sixty eight is the number John in Medfield. Thanks
for holding John, and welcome.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Thank you, Jeff. Can you hear me? Okay?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I can hear you loud and clear? Now? John? Were
you saying mother effer? Or did I miss hear that?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
No, no, you mis heard it. There was a guy
who came up to me to ask me about a
chapter in my book. I'm at the gym and right
when you asked it, and I just got confused. But
nobody said that, I swear to god.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Oh no. I thought maybe you're on the road and
somebody cuts you off and you're like that you mother,
we and you just came on the air when you
said it. Okay, No, go ahead, John, I envy you man.
You're working out and you're calling into the show. That's
that's impressive. All right, John, go my friend.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Okay, I started two and a half hours ago. Is
I've been doing a lot, but I really appreciate you
putting me on. So regarding DC, you know, there's a
stigma involved with it, and this is why they get
away with what they get away with. People are afraid
to talk about If you talk about your stories, you're
talking about your kids and you're putting them in the
public eye. You're talking about your ex wife. People don't
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want to hear about your ex wife. So that stigma
prevents a magnifying glass beam put on DCS. Now here's
what they are. You've already heard people say they get
federal funding for taking kids away. That's true. The program
that I think was John and Andover got putting an
anger manage program.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yes, so then he had to confess like I thought it,
like got of the Soviet Union, the crimes he didn't commit,
like the things he didn't do.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Like you say, man, follow the money. It's all about
the money. There's federal funny going into those programs. There
are people in Massachusetts who get paid to put on
those programs. If people don't admit what they're they didn't
even do, they don't get the money. But more importantly,
you remember when it was called the Department of Social
Services dss y're back. They had one hundred kids die
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from two thousand and three to twenty thirteen under their watch,
and their solution was to change the name to Department
and Children and Families, to remarket and rebrand their organization,
and to not track the number of kids who die
in their care. So since twenty thirteen, we don't know.
It's a totally criminal organization and everything is connected, especially
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this vaccine stuff. Steve from Gardner asking me to call
in for this very reason because he knows I'm in
the crossairs of both. I've written two books. I've got
about one hundred and fifty interviews of me. I've lectured
to doctors from around the world, over a thousand doctors
on the COVID stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Well, John, Buddy, listen, I'm up against it. I got
to let you go. If we do pull off this rally,
I think I may want you to come and speak. Okay,
You know, Larry on Messenger made a really good point
about you know, well is it a health hazard to
others if you know you're not vaccinated? And well, as
Larry pointed out, look, let's take the measles. If you're vaccinated,
So you're vaccinated. So what's the problem. Isn't the point
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of a vaccination that you can't contract an illness? So
let's say someone has the measles, but you're vaccinated against
the measles, So what are you worried about? In other words,
either the vaccinations work or they don't work. If they
work and you have it, you shouldn't be worried. But
if they don't work, then why are you taking it?
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So again, the whole liberal argument, as far as I'm concerned,
completely collapses when it comes to this case and this issue.
But that's me. Hello, did we lose John? Johnny there? Okay,
I think he's said you mother f for or mother
f this and anyway, So we'll see if we can
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reconnect with John. Let's go to Catherine in Boston. Thanks
for holding Katherine and welcome, Hi Jeff.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
This is Catherine Vitally. Hi Catherine, So I have a
really important message for you and your listeners, if you'll
let me get to it. But first, I just want
to say that the unfortunate truth of this DCF story
is that it's not unique. It happens to millions of
families all over the country, and it's been happening for decades.
(01:38):
I myself had my children taken away by DCF in
twenty eighteen, and that's the reason why I got involved
in politics. They were taken for five months.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Oh my god. Yeah, Catherine, if you don't mind me asking,
what was the pretext for them taking your children?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So I've had three different cases. The one where they
were taken away was my second case, and they were
taken away because my son got a spanking and he
had a bruise and the daycare called.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You're kidding, no, and you spanked your son. You spanked
your son and you got a little bruise and did
daycare complained? And they called DCF. Yes, so they're going
to be they're telling us now how to discipline our
own children.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Exactly. And so my kids were in foster care for
five months and it tore my family apart. I'm now
a single parent on welfare because of DCF. It completely
ruined my family. And then when I was protesting in
front of Michelle Woshouse in twenty twenty two, they gave
me another case and they tried to take my children
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twice in twenty twenty two. But in twenty eighteen, when
they got my kids the first time, I wasn't aware
of my rights. In twenty twenty two when they tried
to come for them two more times, I was aware
of my rights and I represented myself in court and
they didn't get my kids again. And so my biggest
message to you and your listeners everybody with kids, you
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have to know your rights. That's the most important thing,
because they will come for everybody. They will come for
all of us. Every single parent thinks, oh, this will
never happen to me. I thought the same thing after
I went through my first case. My first case was
open and shut, there was no problem, and so I
still was naive and thought that DCF was a good thing,
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that Child Predictive Services was a good thing, until they
came and ripped my children onto my home a couple
of years later. And nobody thinks it will happen to
them until it happens. And ninety nine point nine percent
of parents are not prepared when it does happen to them.
The most important thing that anybody could do as a
(03:56):
parent is to learn your rights and do not cooperate
with these agencies. There is no law that says you
have to cooperate with these agencies. Just don't do it.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Okay now, Catherine, if you don't mind me, I agree
with you completely. Don't get me wrong, but let's take
the Riveras they didn't cooperate with DCF. DCF came to
their home demanded to go in. They this was the
first time, and Izy Rivera, the father, said no, we
don't need you where. There's nothing wrong with our children.
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They're fine, they're healthy, they're well taken care of. You
have no reason to be here, and we don't need
to let you in. We don't need to cooperate. They
then put a notice on the door saying that if
he doesn't cooperate, they're going to take custody of his children.
And they came in with the Fitchburg police. And then
they came back again the day later and they had
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more police and more DCF workers, and this time they're saying,
we're taking your kids. So then they left to go
to Texas, but apparently there was a court order saying
they had to show up in court. So they said
you had no right to cross state lines because you
had to show up in court. So, Catherine, my question
to you is, you know you're saying you don't have
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to cooperate. DCF insisted to the Riveras they had to
cooperate at the risk of losing their children. What say you?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
So?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I know John Eastman, but I haven't heard all the
details of this entire story. I'm sure that at this point,
I think the Rivera's are doing the right thing. The
right thing is to make the story as public as possible.
The problem with this, and the reason why we don't
hear about these cases, is because there's so much judgment
and shame when it comes to having a child Protective
(05:44):
Services case. Nobody wants to put their story out there
because you get judged. People.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Oh Catherine, I'm up against the heartbreak. Please hang on, Okay,
We're going to go right back to Catherine Vitally in Boston.
Catherine has had her children unfortunately taken away from her.
She had to fight to get them back. She says
this is not new DCF and child Protective Services as
it's called in other states, have been doing this to
(06:12):
millions of Americans, essentially kidnapping their children from them, and
then it's World War three to try to get them back.
And what they like to do is they like to
operate in the shadows. People have a sense of shame
that this has happened to them, So there's almost a
conspiracy of silence. And Catherine is saying that's the worst
(06:32):
thing to do. You want to win this, you have
to go public. You have to get the media involved.
You've got to get people involved, or else they're going
to bury you in court. Catherine, can you please pick
up where you left off. You were saying you think
the Riveras did the right thing by publicizing their case,
(06:53):
and you think ultimately they will prevail. Correct, Yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
And actually, back when I had my last case in
twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three, there was another case
with a rabbi that we were working on with Joan Eastman,
and we did a protest in front of the DCF
headquarters in Boston back in twenty twenty three for that
rabbi and my case was going on. I had court
(07:20):
the next day and that protest was brought up in
court and because of that protest, the judge backed off
and that's one of the reasons why I won my case.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Interesting. Interesting, Catherine, what do you for Kooner country? For
people listening? A lot of people want to get involved,
They want to they want to help the Riveras and
more importantly, they want to stop. Now this state sanctioned kidnapping,
this notion now that the state owns our children, that
(07:51):
our children aren't ours, but they belong to the government.
What do you recommend, what's what's the what should they
do if they want to help the Riveras and prevail
in this case.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Well, first of all, people need to recognize that the
government is not our friend. The government uses these agencies
to control and silence people. So before making passing judgment
on any parents, you should be getting the whole story.
And we need to call for the dismantle of child
protective services across the country. It does way more harm
(08:24):
than good. And back in twenty nineteen, the statistics were
that ninety two percent of child removals were found unwarranted,
meaning that whatever the problem was, it could have been
fixed with the child saying intact in the home it
causes unnecessary trauma, and it's all about money. It's a
child trafficking industry. They get federal funding every time they
(08:46):
adopt a child out.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
That's unbelievable. Unbelievable, Catherine, you're a warrior. Catherine, thank you
very much for that call. I really appreciated. Okay, let's
go to Joan Quinn Eastman. She is the reporter that
broke initially broke this story in the Boston Broadside, and
she's got a follow up story. You can read it.
(09:10):
You've got all the latest details on this case. Go
to Boston Broadside dot com Boston Broadside dot com. Joan,
how are you well?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I am extremely grateful that you were. You reacted to
this the same way I did. This story came to
me a week ago Friday, and it's been twenty four
to seven ever since. Jeff and I just have to say,
I echo everything that Catherine just said, and I've got
more And isn't it interesting? The reason that this story
(09:42):
is having such a visceral reaction with the nation is
because it has to do with our children. What greater
weapon can be used against us than our children? Jeff Will,
It will take the strongest man and put them on
his knees. It's the saddest thing. And there at completely
and totally exploiting this, which is one of the biggest
(10:03):
reasons I'm so outraged about this and so committed to
getting this story out and getting it to people who
are actually taking action and affecting change. And Catherine mentioned
Rabbi Green. I just reposted that story because it's eerily similar.
Children's hospital did not agree with him not vaccinating his children,
and the parents wanted to get a second opinion on
(10:26):
a procedure. They wanted to put one of their children
under the knife, and they stepped back and said no,
and then they were pursued by CPS the same way.
They ended up moving to Kentucky. But so interesting how
they become full circle. Jeffs here you are more than
ten years later after Justina Pelletier for the same reason,
striking that chord about a child being used as a weapon.
(10:48):
And it's divine who is the advocate who helped me
with my own DCF case with a family member eight
years ago, which is why I'm having this conversation with
you right now.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Jeff.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
It's incredible, so full circle here we are and yes,
let's get a rally. Let's do everything we can. I
would like to discuss an update with about the parents
and also give people concrete action items and steps that
they can take to help beat back this evil, because
make some mistake about it, it is evil.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
So Joan, before we I promise, I want to get
to that, but I just got to ask you this,
and I'm asking you now to remove yourself as the reporter.
You did an amazing job. I guess I'm urging everybody
to read your work. You have laid out the case
so well and so so powerfully, and so effectively and coherently,
(11:45):
and I think that's honestly. I'm not saying this to
stroke your ego. I'm seeing the broadside in your piece,
in particular being mentioned in national publications, national media outlets,
is being quoted everywhere because I think you laid it
out so well. But I'm not asking now Joan Quinn Eastman,
the journalist, the reporter. I'm almost asking now for Joan
(12:05):
Quinn Eastman, the commentator, the opinion, the opinion journalist. Now
your opinion. Why do you think they targeted the riveras?
Is it because they're a homeschooling family, maybe a conservative family,
I don't know their politics. A religious family. Is that
(12:30):
why they were singled out? What made DCF go thunderdome
on these two poor people and their five children? In
your view?
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Oh, I know what it is. And Jeff, this is
one of the most important things that caused me to
call you this morning. If you look at the Channel
five piece and the Math live piece on this father,
he stood in court two weeks ago and he spoke
the truth. He spoke truth, He knows his rights, and
(13:03):
the courts just don't understand it. And now subsequently the
media is trying to portray him as mentally unstable. They
actually said to his mother, you are an accomplished to
this crime because they drove in a car that was
owned by you. She was out of the country when
they left. She had nothing to.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Do with it.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
And they said you're a fault because you didn't get
your child, your son, your thirty one year old son,
mental health help. They are trying to paint him as
mentally unstable because Jeff, he knows his rights and he
was speaking the truth, and the corrupt legal courts do
not want people to know the truth. And I want
(13:42):
to be sure that Bill, he will take stories in
print paper print articles that no one else will touch.
You're telling stories that no one else will touch. So
Bill Malujin here we are. We're on this. We're on
this all the way. But that is what's going on here.
They want to silence him. They're making it example out
of him. I want to give you some insight about
the case, okay. So the mother immediately went with a lawyer.
(14:05):
I did interview the lawyer. The lawyer said that he
believes this case is going to be dismissed. Now, the
father was all ready to represent him, not to represent himself,
to stand for himself in this case, but things kind
of went haywire while he was waiting to go to court,
(14:27):
and he got cold feet, and he's cut off communication
with all the people who were informing him about his rights.
And so I believe what's happened here, after speaking at
length with the mother's attorney is that they are so
confident that this is going to be dismissed. He's just
(14:48):
going to lean on that get his case dismissed too,
because the two cases are so similar, Jeff, that if
the mother's case gets dismissed, his will too. But we
the people need to rise up and say we're not
even waiting for court, get this family out, reunite them,
and the monstrosities of dcs as Catherine was touching on
(15:12):
the nerve of these people, to incarsonrate the parents for
a month, and then when mother bails out the astronomical
fee of seventy five hundred dollars, she's relegated to supervise
visits with her children. Now, the big thing that needs
to be done right now is the father needs to
get out of jail so they can get these charges dismissed.
(15:35):
And that is going to take the astronomical fee of
twenty five thousand dollars, the same veil that they require
for murderers for a man who took his family out
of the state, which he has every right to do.
I mean, this case is outrageous on so many levels,
and so there's a gives them go, please go there police,
(15:57):
support this family. I've got people reaching out to you.
I've been inundated with thousands of messages. I can't keep
up with them. Horror stories like Catherine's, like my own families,
and there's a stigma attachment. Like you said, it's like
a silent crime. If you will, people are they're reluctant
to come forward about it, but we've got to. We
(16:17):
have to keep shining the light on all of this.
And so go to give send go. Look for Busy
and Ruth's fits for family and justice?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
All right, So Joan, if you could just go a
little bit slower on this, because I know people are
taking notes, So give send go. You go to give
send go, and then what do you look for?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Izzy and Ruth? If you put that in and should
come up, it's their fight for family and.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Justice, right and give send go. I Isy and Ruth.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Need to get the father out. Number one. Number two,
we the people need to take action. It is our
lawful right and our duty to instruct our public servants.
If we don't tell them what to do, they're going
to do whatever they want. And whatever they want is
tearing families apart like this. Once CCS gets their clutches
into you, it is this well oiled machine. It pays
(17:08):
several salaries to have a child in the system. If
the child is handicapped, they get seven times more of
the funding. They do not want you out of the system.
Once they get you, they've got you for a really,
really long time. Most cases last two years minimum if
you're even lucky to get your child back. I'm speaking
from personal experience here.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Jat incredible. We've been talking with Joe and I'm sorry,
I'm up against it, but listen, Joan, you have done
yeoman work. Okay, Look, the text line is literally going
to blow. The text line has been burning up all show.
My inbox is full. I mean, I don't mean full
as and you can't send me an email, but you
know what I mean. It's inundated with emails. My messenger
(17:52):
is burning up on my cell phone. Many of you
are saying, don't talk about it. Cooner. You got to
do it. You got to do it. We need a rally, Jeff,
We need a rally. So obviously you want to give
me a heart attack. That's what No. I can see
it now, I can see it. It's you know you. Obviously,
this audience, you guys want to you know, an early
grave for the Cooner man. So it's not enough that
(18:14):
we're going to be doing a rally on May seventeenth
to push for the state audit that the voters ratified
and voted for in November. Now you want me to
do another rally, and it's got to be quick because
this family's in trouble and we've got momentum. We've got
the whole country behind us, so we're going to have
to strike while the iron's hot. So that's okay, No, no,
(18:38):
that The only thing I ask is this, Okay that
if I do get like a heart attack or a
stroat whatever, I get a massive heart attack and that's it.
I die an early death. Could you at least show
up to the funeral. That's all I can you do
me that, that's all. If you guys do that for me,
I'm a happy man. So so here's what I'm gonna do.
(19:01):
All right, let me talk to Joan when I get
off the air. Let's see what we can organize. I'm
thinking obviously this weekend, no, it's Easter weekend. No, but
maybe something next weekend. Maybe. I don't want to say anything.
I'm not committing to anything, but it's got to be
(19:21):
done in about a week ten days maximum. If people
are willing to help, and I need help from everybody,
and people are willing to show up, it's a question
of bodies. Now, the bigger the turnout, the bigger the pressure,
the more likely it is that the Riveras will be
released and their children will be reunited with them. But
(19:42):
you've got to show up. This anger has to be
translated into action and into showing up with signs and
bringing family and friends with you. So if Cooner Country,
if you're willing to show up, I'm going to talk
to Joan. I need help putting this together. But you know,
we got to get a sound system. We've got to
(20:03):
get a place to rally, someplace that we know is
going to be effective, put together some speakers. But if
we can do this quickly, I will do everything in
my power. I promise you to make it happen. And
I think we can win, not just this case. I
think we can win this issue decisively, not just in
(20:24):
Massachusetts but across the entire country. But I need you
to ride with me. You ride with me, I will
ride with you. Six one seven two six six sixty
eight sixty eight is the number John in Medfield. Thanks
for holding John, and welcome.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Thank you, Jeff. Can you hear me? Okay?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I can hear you loud and clear? Now? John? Were
you saying mother effer? Or did I miss hear that?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
No, no, you mis heard it. There was a guy
who came up to me to ask me about a
chapter in my book. I'm at the gym and right
when you asked it, and I just got confused. But
nobody said that, I swear to god.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Oh no. I thought maybe you're on the road and
somebody cuts you off and you're like that you mother,
we and you just came on the air when you
said it. Okay, No, go ahead, John, I envy you man.
You're working out and you're calling into the show. That's
that's impressive. All right, John, go my friend.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Okay, I started two and a half hours ago. Is
I've been doing a lot, but I really appreciate you
putting me on. So regarding DC, you know, there's a
stigma involved with it, and this is why they get
away with what they get away with. People are afraid
to talk about If you talk about your stories, you're
talking about your kids and you're putting them in the
public eye. You're talking about your ex wife. People don't
(21:44):
want to hear about your ex wife. So that stigma
prevents a magnifying glass beam put on DCS. Now here's
what they are. You've already heard people say they get
federal funding for taking kids away. That's true. The program
that I think was John and Andover got putting an
anger manage program.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yes, so then he had to confess like I thought it,
like got of the Soviet Union, the crimes he didn't commit,
like the things he didn't do.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Like you say, man, follow the money. It's all about
the money. There's federal funny going into those programs. There
are people in Massachusetts who get paid to put on
those programs. If people don't admit what they're they didn't
even do, they don't get the money. But more importantly,
you remember when it was called the Department of Social
Services dss y're back. They had one hundred kids die
(22:32):
from two thousand and three to twenty thirteen under their watch,
and their solution was to change the name to Department
and Children and Families, to remarket and rebrand their organization,
and to not track the number of kids who die
in their care. So since twenty thirteen, we don't know.
It's a totally criminal organization and everything is connected, especially
(22:52):
this vaccine stuff. Steve from Gardner asking me to call
in for this very reason because he knows I'm in
the crossairs of both. I've written two books. I've got
about one hundred and fifty interviews of me. I've lectured
to doctors from around the world, over a thousand doctors
on the COVID stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Well, John, Buddy, listen, I'm up against it. I got
to let you go. If we do pull off this rally,
I think I may want you to come and speak. Okay,
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