Ukraine or America First?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight
is the number. Debbie in Milton. Thanks for holding Debbie,
and welcome Debbie. Are you you at a dance class
or something? Or let's see if we think it's maybe

(00:22):
like she put us on hold there, Mike. All right,
let's go to Dave in Dorchester. Thanks for holding Dave.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
And welcome.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Good morning, Jeff, Dave.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
How are you.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
This guy's blue, the sun's out and everything's good to do. Jeff.
I'll tell you I want to give you craint a dime,
let alone a patriot missile. We have no reason to
be giving him anything, Jeff. We got nothing to do
with nothing over there. And we all know Biden's out
of this craziness going over there. Now we gotta keep

(00:55):
paying for it. No, Trump should shouldn't be selling a dime.
Ain't nothing for anything over there is because they started it.
Dlynsky's shooting his mouth off, and I get I can
trust him as far as I get tall. We got
no business being there, Jeff. And you know what, I
hate to say it, but if word comes to us,

(01:18):
we're gonna have boots on the ground over there, and
that's all that's gonna happen. And there were times because
the Ukrainians over there don't know which day they're going
and they listening to Selinsky. Forget it, Jeff, we shouldn't
been given them ten cents.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Dave. I gotta ask you, as a as a staunch
Trump's supporter, do you feel in a sense let down
or betrayed by the president, because that was one of
the big issues he ran on. He really hit Biden
hard over Ukraine. He kept saying, we have much bigger
problems to deal with at home, which of course Trump

(01:57):
is right or was right. We've got a border crisis,
an invasion, illegal aliens, we need mass deportations. Inflation is
weight still way too high, We've got serious crime. We've
got so many issues that we need to deal with
here at home, and here we are now selling weapons

(02:20):
to Ukraine. But still we're there, We're involved. Now, we're
getting involved in more sanctions on Russia, more tariffs on Russia.
This is not America first, this is becoming again Ukraine first.
And you can just tell the people that are ecstatic
are the Lindsey Grahams, the Dick Blumenthals, the New York Times,

(02:44):
editorial pages, the Wall Street Journal editorial pages. So all
the war hawks, all the warmongers, all the globalists, they
love this move. CNN rarely praises Trump. They loved him
yesterday when he made that announcement. The New York Times,
they're one of their big correspondents, who I think is

(03:06):
an absolute globalist hack. They had him on and man,
suddenly you know, there's says Trump, showing leadership. So you
know his worst enemies are cheering him on. And you
can tell that Secretary General from NATO, Mark Root, he's
like the cheshire cat grinning ear to ear after having

(03:28):
swallowed the canary. It's like, yeah, we finally got Trump
on board. Okay, now the weapons are going to start
flowing back to Ukraine, and not just any weapons, the
best of the best, the cream of the cream, la
creme de la creme, as the French say. So, they're
getting offensive weapons, defensive weapons, patriot batteries, patriot missiles, you

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name it, they're getting it. So we're depleted at home,
we can barely support and defend our country, our homeland.
But we're now going to sell Ukraine our very best Dave,
what say.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
You, Jeff, Honestly, I hate to say it like this,
but I have to say it. If this keeps going on, Jeff,
this is gonna be like the song that the Doors
came out a long time ago with this will be
the beginning of the end. And I hate to say it, Jeff,

(04:26):
it's a matter of time. This is gonna lead up
right up to the Book of Revelation as are living today,
and Jeff, it's gonna happen better we better we like
it or not. And people need to be ready and
get their life right with God before it happens, because
it's just a matter of time, Jeff.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
And I know it.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
The Book of Revelation states that it's ut been prophesied.
So if this doesn't quiet down real soon, and if
they don't come to some type of agreement, because the
script is said, there will be a seven year peace
treaty and it's going to to be broken.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Jeff.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
We have Russia, we got China, we got Korea, we
got all the other countries, and they're all going to
get invold Jeff. That's what is coming down to.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Well, you know, Dave, it's funny you should mention that,
but you know you've got China major nuclear military power
backing Russia. Russia obviously the biggest nuclear power in the world.
North Korea now sent ten thousand troops to help Russia.
Now they're going to send another thirty thousand troops. So
and of course North Korea has nuclear weapons as well,

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So the North Koreans are getting more deeply involved. The
Chinese are getting more deeply involved as we the United
States and NATO get more deeply involved. Now on the
Ukrainian side, you know, the Germans now are sending Ukraine
their best weapons, the Dutch, the French, the British Navians.

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So what's happening is now NATO is ramping up, it's
spending all these countries are spending more on defense and
now they're going to be sending Ukraine even more weapons.
So what you're seeing is more countries getting involved, more
weapons pouring in, and it's a proxy war between America,

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NATO VERSUS Russia, China and North Korea. I mean, we're
asking for trouble. And again you ask yourself, what are
we fighting over, Like, what's at stake that it's worth risking,
as you put it, potential armageddon because that's what nuclear

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war is it's madness, it's insane, and no one is
thinking about, you know, the endgame. It's just okay, well
we'll just you know, we'll escalate and then well then
they'll escalate. Well then we'll escalate. Well what happens if
both sides keep escalating? Where's the exit ramp? And that's why, honestly,

(07:06):
I'm a little disappointed because I wanted Trump to be
the peacemaker. Now, if you can't make peace, that's fine,
then walk away. Six one seven two, six sixty eight
sixty eight is the number. Okay, A couple lines are
open if you want to jump on. Do you support
Trump's decision now to sell very advanced weapons about at

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least ten billion dollars worth could even be hired. These
are some of the best that we have. Patriot missiles,
patriot batteries, hell fire missiles, long range missiles, tanks, ammunition,
you name it, artillery shells. Ukraine is gonna, I mean,

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they're gonna be ready for a huge counter offensive against
the Russian army. And furthermore, apparently now they're going to
be delivered with a matter of days. So NATO now
says through Poland, through Germany, through the Netherlands, through Finland,
through other countries. They are going to be rush delivering

(08:12):
these weapons to help the beleaguered Ukrainian forces. And they
believe that this can stop the Russian onslaught and eventually
inflict so much pain on the advancing Russian forces that
it will force Putin to the negotiating table, they hope
within a couple of months. On top of that, Trump

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now has given Putin a fifty day window either agree
to a cease fire or there will be absolutely punishing
sanctions and tariffs one hundred percent imposed, one hundred percent
tariffs on any countries that do business with Russia, especially

(08:56):
regarding purchasing oil and natural gas, which is the lifeline
of the Russian economy. This would hit China, this would
hit India, this would hit Brazil, this would hit many
countries around the world. Listen now to President Trump saying,
this is one of the big announcements of my presidency.

(09:20):
It is a major shift, and I'm putting Putin and
Russia on notice. I am not very happy, and now
you are going to suffer the consequences. Roll cut to Mike.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
One of the reasons that you're here today is to
hear that we are very unhappy I am with.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Russia, but we'll discuss that maybe a different day. We're
very very unhappy with them, and we're going to be
doing very severe tariffs if we don't have.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
A deal in fifty days. Tariffs at about one hundred percent.
You call them secondary to so you know what that means.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
But today we're going to talk about something else. And
as you.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
Know, we've spent three hundred and fifty million dollars approximately
on this war with Russia and Ukraine. I would like to.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
See it in now.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Trump then went on and announced his the sale of
these these weapons, these US made weapons through NATO. That's
why the NATO Secretary General was there, and European countries
are going to buy them and then literally just distribute
them to Ukraine. So you know, as I said, at

(10:36):
least we're not giving them away, we're selling them. But still,
Zelensky couldn't be happier, NATO couldn't be happier, and the
warhawks couldn't be happier. Listen now again to Trump. He's
in the Oval Office with NATO Secretary General Mark Root,
and listen to what he says about whose war it

(10:56):
is he's you know, he's adamant saying, look, it wasn't
my war, but now I've inherited a mess and I'm
trying to make peace. Roll cut to a mike.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
It wasn't my war, it was Biden's war. It's not
my war. I'm trying to get you out of it,
and we want to see it in. And I'm disappointed
in President of Putin because I thought we would have
had a deal two months ago, but it doesn't seem
to get there. So based on that, we're going to
be doing secondary tariffs if we don't have a deal
in fifty days. It's first important and there'll be at

(11:32):
one hundred percent. And that's the way it is. That
can be more support, it's just the way it is.
I hope we don't have.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
To do it, so honestly, I don't know if you
can do it. What I mean by that is we
don't do any trade with Russia to begin with, very little,
so one hundred percent on nothing is essentially nothing, So
it's going to have zero impact. Now will this deter China?

(11:58):
I don't think so. India, I think is going to
be very upset about this, and we're trying to pivot
away from China towards India. So I don't know if
this is actually even going to work, and it's going
to alienate people countries like India. And by the way,
there are many European countries, including Germany, that still buy

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a lot of their oil and natural gas you guessed it,
from Putin and Russia. So on the one hand, they're
sending Russia billions of dollars to feed their war machine
as they're buying Russian oil and gas, and on the
other hand, they're sending all these weapons to Ukraine to

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fight the Russians. Does this make any sense to you?
Six one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight. Okay,
I want to read a really interesting message that I
got from Mark on messenger because I think it does,
I think capture what's going on with Trump, and I

(13:04):
think it explains, partially, at least psychologically and even morally,
why he's changed his position on Ukraine. And here's what
Mark wrote, Jeff, I've noticed since Trump's assassination attempts, he
has changed. He is more compassionate about life and saving lives,

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and he doesn't want to see people being killed. I
think if that didn't happen to him, especially in Butler,
he would have already washed his hands and walked away
from Russia and the Ukraine War. Could this be possible?

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Jeff?

Speaker 1 (13:45):
And then Mark ads? Trump said, God spared his life
to save our country. But now it seems Trump wants
to save the world.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Now.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
I have noticed that as well, that if you watch
Trump carefully, you can see, and he talks about this
all the time, the satellite pictures, the satellite images of
all of these dead Russian Ukrainian soldiers, and many of
them he calls them boys, you know, young men eighteen

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nineteen twenty twenty one years old, five thousand a week,
seven thousand a week, you know, just their bodies everywhere,
limbs everywhere, blood everywhere. And as Trump said, it's barbaric,
it's savage, it's vicious, it's senseless. You can see. It's

(14:43):
truly breaking his heart to see this. It's so senseless,
and so part of this is almost like what is
wrong with both of you? Like have you both lost
your minds? Look what you're sacrificing, Look what you're giving away.
You know, as Trump said, you know how many grieving Russian

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mothers and Russian and Ukrainian mothers. Ukrainian mothers are seeing
their children, their sons go to die. Russian mothers are
burying their sons. And for what one hundred yards here,
two hundred yards there, a square foot here, two square
foot there. It's like, you know, World War One trench

(15:24):
style warfare. So you can see that part of this
is humanitarian on his part. He really wants to end
the suffering and the dying. And I do think what
happened to him in Butler did change him. I think
he's much more sensitive to human life than ever before.
Not that he was insensitive, but I think now you

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can see it weighs heavy on him. And I respect that,
and you know, in many ways I admire that. But
sometimes you know, you just got a walk away. Sometimes
the irony is you're going to see now even more blood,

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more slaughter. All this is going to do now is
prolong the fighting and prolonging the dying, and prolonging the savagery.
That's the irony of all ironies. So I want to
ask all of you, and then I want to continue
to take all your calls. Are you surprised at Trump's pivot?

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Are you surprised at this huge shift in policy, and
should we be selling weapons to Ukraine, arming Ukraine and
combining it now with massive sanctions in tariffs against Russia
and any country that trades with Russia. Are we now

(16:51):
effectively in a new Cold war with Russia? And is
it in the national interest of the United States? And
to those of you who are truly America first, do
you feel now in a sense betrayed by Trump? Six
one seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight lines

(17:15):
are loaded. Chris in New Hampshire. Thanks for holding Chris,
and welcome.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
Good morning, Jeffrey, Hi Chris, love you in a non
sexual way by Fred.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Thank you, Chris.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
I'm a big Mega fan and I'm a big Jeffon fan.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Wow, it's incredible, Chris, hold on, Like your voice just changed.
It's almost like you went like the chat GPT or
something like. It's like you sounded like a robot. It's
just incredible, you know, you know, a quick compliment to
the cooner man and suddenly everything starts getting messed up.
All right, let's see if we can reconnect with Chris. Chris,

(17:57):
do you sound like a live human being? Are you there?
My friend?

Speaker 3 (18:01):
I'm here, but I don't know if I saw.

Speaker 6 (18:02):
I'm like alive you.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, I see now your voice is going super fast.
You think it's fine, Mike, alright, it's better. Okay, Chris,
go ahead, my friend.

Speaker 6 (18:15):
Can you hear me now, Joe?

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yes, Oh my god, you sound normal again. Go ahead, Chris,
I'm going well.

Speaker 6 (18:21):
No one's called me normal for a long time. Jeff,
I agree with you ninety five percent of the time,
and probably Trump ninety five percent of the time, But
the last two days I haven't agreed with you, my friend.
First of all, yesterday with Epstein, I think that it

(18:41):
is very important that we get all this information out. Yet,
on the other hand, I'm really worried on who's on
that list. I think you would be very, very very
surprised to find out how many mega people are on
that list, besides everybody else. As far as today is concerned,

(19:02):
I agree with you in a way, but after serving
twenty three years of the United States Marine Cort, I'm
not sure if I agree with you, and I know
that's contradictory. However, where does Putin go after Ukraine? Does
he stop or does he go to Poland? And then
what do we do do we wash our hands there

(19:24):
also sit back and say, you know what, mister Putin,
You do whatever you want as long as you don't
come to the United States. We're five because Poland is
thousands zer miles away. Now do I like Zelenski? Absolutely not.
He is a hood look and should not be an office. However,

(19:45):
I think this is a lot more complicated. And what
I love, Jeff about the United States Marine Court, and regretfully,
what I love about the Democratic Party is the Democrat
stick together. No matter what, the Democrats stick together. They
vote as a block, and us, as Republicans, we splinter

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off and make ourselves weaker.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
So I was.

Speaker 6 (20:10):
Wondering what your thoughts were on this. Once again, I
love you to death, and I'm not looking to argue
with you.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
No, I understand that completely. Look, you're obviously more than
entitled to your opinion. You fought for my freedoms and
our freedoms, and you have every right to say your
piece on this show, Chris. And look, I want to
thank you for your service from the bottom of my heart.
Look what I would just say about Poland, Chris, we
have an agreement with Poland. They're part of NATO, so

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we have an obligation to defend Poland. Whether that was
the right thing to do going back thirty five years,
that's a different story. But the fact of the matter
is they are a part of NATO, unlike Ukraine. They're
a NATO member. So and Putin knows this. And if
he invades Putin, if he invades Poland, forgive me, or
or if he invades Estonia or Latvia or Lithuania or

(21:04):
any of these other countries on Russia's border, he will
have to bear the full might of the US military.
He will start World War three. So he will get
a response, and that's why he won't touch Poland. Furthermore, Chris, really,
Poland is a military I mean it is a powerhouse.

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Poland is not Ukraine. Poland has a history of badly
defeating the Russians, and the Russians know it, and Putin
knows it. He has no designs on Poland. He's never
said he has any designs on Poland. And whatever you
think of Putin, and I'm not a big fan of his,
but he is a student of Russian history. He's very

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well read on Russian history, and he knows that Russia
has gotten its clock cleaned by the Poles for over
a thousand years in battle after battle after battle, war
after war. So he knows that if he invades Poland,
not only is he going to take on all of NATO,
all of the United States, it would be the end
of his government, the end of his regime, but even

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Poland alone, not that they would be fighting alone, but
even Poland alone would smash the Russian army. And I
think what we're also kind of like overlooking here, Chris,
Russia is going to take a generation once this war
is over with Ukraine. They have been so depleted, so wounded,

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so damaged, so scarred by this war.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
You know, a.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Million dead and wounded. We're talking about the Russian economy
setback decades. You're talking about the Russian military now really
just not performing well. The authority, the prestige of Russia
has been significantly diminished. Russia is I mean, Ukraine has

(22:58):
punched Russia in the Nula. They have bloodied the Russians.
It's going to take him at least ten to fifteen
years to lick their wounds. So you have to understand
Putin is bleeding support over this war, and he's lost
a lot of men and taken a lot of casualties,

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and he is that remember the Russian The only way
the Russians are getting through this is they have gone
to a complete wartime economy. They're not producing you know,
consumer goods, which is leading to very high inflation, very
high interest rates. The Russian economy is in trouble. And
I think that's the reason why Trump is putting so

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much economic pressure. He wants to tip the economy to
force Putin economically to sue for peace. So this idea
that well, they'll take care of Ukraine and then like
ala Adolf Hitler, they're going to be marching across Europe.
Putin is not Hitler. And believe me, Putin's Russia is

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not Hitler's Germany. Hitler's Germany was the most economically militarily
powerful modern advanced country in Europe and maybe arguably the world.
I would say the United States, but the Germans. They
were a well oiled machine. They were an economic military

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powerhouse when as Hitler was rising to power. Putin's Russia
has a GDP of Italy, and you know, they have
suffered immense economic loss, huge damage. The middle class has
been destroyed, in Russia, they're looking at twenty twenty five

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percent inflation. They've got high interest rates in the twenties
even thirties. Now their businesses, big businesses tied to the
regime that are on the verge of bankruptcy. So a
reason why Putin is now going all in is he
needs a knockout blow. He needs to win this war,

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and win it now, because with the wartime economy, I
don't know if he can go another year. So what
I'm saying, Chris is, yeah, the Russian bear has nuclear weapons.
The Russian bear can ultimately, you know, destroy the world.
But this is now a wounded bear, a bleeding bear,

(25:29):
and this bear, after this war, is going to need
a long time to heal. Final word to you, Chris.

Speaker 6 (25:37):
Thank you for your analysis. I appreciate your opinion. I
thought that was very very well said Jeffson, very well
put together as always, And now that Trump has decided
to sell weapons to Ukraine, there's no doubt in my mind.

(25:59):
As I said to you last week, uh, doctor Grayshoon,
now with the noble piece, President's so funny.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Well, thank you, I appreciate it, Chris. No, look, Trump's
strategic thinking and it's obviously. Look, he's a he's a
very smart man. He's a great president. I think he's
on the verge of becoming our greatest president or one
of our greatest presidents.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
He knows this, and I think part of his strategic
calculation is, well, if I bleed the Russian bear a
little more and I drag this war out another two three,
four months and put all of this economic pressure, And
that's what he's telling Putin on the phone. He goes,
you know, how much longer you think you guys can
hold up there? Your economy is going to unravel, and

(26:44):
then what's going to happen to you? Vladimir So he's
hoping to push the Russians and push the Russians to
finally have to agree to a peace agreement. Now, look,
if this works, I give you my word, I'll be
the first one to say I was wrong, draw was right.
I'll be the first one to tip my hat and say,
give the guy the Nobel Peace Prize. I'm telling you,

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I know the Russian mentality. Trust me. It's a different
mentality than what we have in the United States and
in the West. And Putin is a classic Russian. He
cannot lose this war. In his mind, his very power
and survival depends upon winning this war. And the Russian

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people can endure a lot in some ways like no
other people on earth. They can endure and endure and
suffer and suffer. But they're also a highly nationalistic people.
And I don't mean this as a criticism, it's just
I'm just you know, it's what historians have just described them.
It's what they are. They're not gonna sit back and say,

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all these Russian boys died and we're getting scraps in return.
They'll hang them, and he knows they'll hang them. So
in a sense, Putin now has boxed himself in. It's
either victory. It's either it's all or nothing. It's either
victory or bust. And to me, that's what's dangerous. If

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he didn't have nuclear weapons, it wouldn't be that big
a deal. But he's got nuclear weapons, and you've got NATO,
and the one thing the Russians will not surrender to
is NATO. See, remember we won the Cold War, they
lost it. So in the Russian mind it was a
huge humiliation to be humiliated again, and this time over Ukraine.

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Maybe too much for some of them to accept. Like
what I'm saying is you have to look into your
when you're always you know, you got to think of
how the other person thinks and how far are they
willing to go. And that's why you look at Medvedev.
It's not an act. Medvedev to me, it's irresponsible and

(29:06):
frankly disgusting to keep talking about the nuclear option the
way he does. But you can just see the Russians
are not going to accept another NATO victory, certainly not
over Ukraine. And if it means nuclear war, let it
be nuclear war. And that's why, to Trump's credit, he
always understood this, never escalate and expand this war so

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that it could potentially go nuclear. Remember even during the
Cold War, from Eisenhower to Nixon to Regan, this was
a doctrine of both parties, but especially the Republicans. There
are two countries on the Earth. We never go to
actual war with Russia and China, not because we're scared

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of them, but because those are the only two countries
that it can lead to World War III, meaning the
end of the world. So you have clear red lines.
Everybody has a clear understanding of what will be accepted
and not accepted in a way. It's great power politics,
spheres of influence. So you have a certain buffer, we

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have a certain buffer, we have an understanding, you have
an understanding. And what's angered and enraged the Russians And
this is why to me, I'll never forgive Joe Biden.
That was their red line. Remember when the Soviets put
missiles in Cuba, what did we do, Kennedy? He risked
nuclear war. We were on the verge of nuclear war,

(30:42):
and Khrushcheff had to have that humiliating retreat. He backed
down and it had to be cost him and he
got overthrown. But my point is we were willing to
go nuclear over missiles ninety miles away from Florida. Well
why do you think the Russians would think any different
over missiles ninety miles or one hundred and fifty miles

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away from Moscow in Saint Petersburg. So great powers have
red lunes. We have them, China has them, Russia has them.
And I'm sorry, but it's just it's an adult. It's
it's being mature, it's looking at the world as it is.

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Don't cross those lines, and we did. Or Biden did
if you want to be accurate, and now it's a mess.
It's a mess. Six one seven two six six sixty
eight sixty eight. Barbara in Maryland. Thanks for holding Barbara.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
And welcome, good morning, and thanks for taking my call.
My pleasure able to hopefully I'll be able to get
my points out. I want to thank Chris, your previous caller, uh,
because I think I'm going to say what he thinks
and didn't say everything you responded in your analysis about Russia.

(32:09):
Is why President Trump is doing what he's doing. And
I want to get one thing straight. In my opinion,
this has never been and never will be Trump's war.
That term is getting thrown around rather loosely. This is
not Trump's war. This is and always will be Biden's war.

(32:35):
President Trump is trying to clean it up. Vladimir In
another thing, Yes, NATO, we are sworn to have to
protect NATO, but we also agreed to protect Ukraine when
they gave up their nukes. And that's something that I
don't hear much about. Because they had nukes, they gave

(32:56):
them up for protection, and Obama sent them blankets when
they got attacked by Russia. Vladimir Putin must be stopped
right here and right now to allow him to take Ukraine,
because it seems to me that's where this is headed. Well,

(33:16):
just let him have Ukraine and he'll go home and
he'll be happy. No, that cannot happen. He cannot have that.
He cannot take over that country the way he wants to,
and all of the bleeding that he's doing, the bloody
knows that he has. Now is the time for the
knockout punch. That's what you do to a bully. You

(33:37):
don't leave him where he's just blooded enough to get
mad and come back. No, and that's what President Trump
is doing. He just has to be stopped right now.
And that's why I just believe everything that President Trump
is doing. Last week it was Jeffrey Epstein. It's one
fire after another, and America first just loses it. We

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just get all wishy washy, right when it's time to
stand firm behind this president. Yes, I believe that Butler
changed him, but it didn't turn him into a wuss.
It changed them. I was standing behind him when it happened.
I believe that it changed me just for being there.
But I'm telling you what I think is going to

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happen here, Vladimir Putin is going to get the knockout punch.
He cannot be allowed to just take over that country
after devastating and invading them, and it's been going on
for four years. It has to be stopped, and I
believe it will be stopped. I think that the Europeans
are going to stop buying their gas and oil from him,

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because if they're giving the weapons, and President Trump is
selling the weapons to NATO so they can protect the
freaking continent, that's their continent. We got an ocean between us,
and they need to do it. This may be it
for him. I hope it's it for him, because his
people need to hang and they need to get rid

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of him, because he's not good for the country. He's
not good for the world. And that's how I feel
about it. And all every time, when you know, when
things get a little bit rocky, we get all we
get all shaky and start ranting and raving about what
he's doing wrong. President Trump is in charge of this
and I am one hundred percent behind what he's doing

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and the way he is doing it bring Russia, to
bring Vladimir to his knees the same way he's bringing
Iran to theirs and that's how we're gonna survive. And
they're not going to be any nuclear weapons used because
that's going to be too devastating.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
So I think.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
That's a hype. They're not going to use nuclear weapons
in Ukraine. Vladimir is not that stupid, and that's just
how I feel about it.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Well, he's to risk millions of his own people now,
and if his regime is on the line, and his
power is on the line, and a humiliating defeat is
possibly on the line, I don't think it's beyond you know,
possibility that he would use a tactical nuclear strike. I

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don't think so. And I'm not willing to gamble the
world over Dunetsk and Luhansk. And you know, and this
is I think, Barbara, where you and I disagree on this.
To me, we have an invasion here. We shouldn't be
worrying about an invasion thousands of miles away. Because whateveryone

(36:44):
thinks about Vladimir Putin, he really is a modern date Tsar.
He's not different from other Russian tsars. In fact, you know,
as brutal as he is, he's better than Lenin he's
better than Stalin, It's better than Brezhnev. In other words,
there were much worse and bloody leaders, much greater mass
murderers under the Soviet Union than jen Vladimir Putin, but

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we were able to do business with them. So why
now does Putin have to suddenly become a pariah. We
teamed up with Stalin, one of the greatest mass murderers
of the twentieth century, to defeat Hitler. Now what we're
doing is you're right, we are slowly bringing Russia to
its knees. There's no question. But in the end, who

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wins China. Our major geopolitical foe is not Russia, It's China.
So we're weakening Russia, which only strengthens China over a
part of the world that has almost no interest of ours.
We have no strategic interests, and we're we have our

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own invasion here here. I'll tell you what ten billion
dollars can buy me here. Ten billion dollars here will
lead to even more illegals being deported. And this is
what I'm worried about, Barbara. Our own military has now
come out, God forbid, should China invade Taiwan. We literally

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don't have the munitions to fight off China. That's how
depleted our military has become. So we're going to give
even more money for Ukraine, which is known as one
of the greatest k one of the Thoset corrupt countries
in the world, where they're running a massive global laundering scheme.
So we're going to give them even more of our weapons.