Waltz Demoted or Promoted?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, Cooner. Contrary. Okay, Almost immediately after the show yesterday,
a political earthquake shook the very foundations of Washington, DC.
All over my newsfeed, I just kept seeing Mike Waltz out,
Mike Waltz out, And by the middle of the day

(00:22):
it was confirmed National Security Advisor Mike Waltz, one of
the most powerful members of Donald Trump's team, has now
been effectively ousted from his position. However, he has not
been fired. Initially, the way the media was reporting it,
it seemed as if Waltz was going to be out

(00:45):
on the street, out on his rear end, that he
and his deputy Alex Wong were gone. However, Donald Trump
again through another curveball by coming out and saying, yes,
Mike Waltz is moving on from National Security Advisor. However,
I am nominating him to be the next US Ambassador

(01:11):
to the United Nations. So Waltz will be going from
National Security Advisor, which is of course a very plump position,
one of the most powerful positions in the government, to
being essentially now our voice at the United Nations. Now,
it seems to me, and you may agree or disagree,

(01:33):
I'd love to hear all of you on this six one,
seven two, six, six, sixty eight, sixty eight. I wasn't
surprised at the news after the scandal of signal Gate,
which in many ways was a non scandal, but still
Mike Waltz, and it was Mike Waltz. He fell on

(01:54):
his sword. He admitted he was the one who made
the mistake. He took the responsibility when Mike Waltz came
out and said, I was the one who accidentally added
Jeffrey Goldberg, the vile anti Trump editor of The Atlantic magazine.

(02:15):
I added him to our group chat discussion in which
sensitive plans about attacks on Huthy rebels, some of the
plans that they had to attack the Huthis who were
backed by Iran. I was the one. It was a mistake,
so he says, along with Alex Wong, we were the

(02:38):
ones who put him on the group chat. And as
you know, Goldberg listened, he was added, took notes, took snapshots,
and then leaked the contents of almost the entire conversation
and thread to the public, humiliating Pete hag Seth, humiliating Waltz,

(03:00):
humiliating Trump's national security team. And then there was a
scandal or a public uproar driven by the media in
which they tried to get Pete Hegseth gone. The long
knives for heg Seth were out. They didn't get heg Seth,
but they ended up getting Waltz. Waltz now and apparently

(03:23):
this had been going on for weeks. People at the
West Wing were not happy with Waltz. They were not
happy with his team. Apparently he mistreated Susie Wilds, Donald
Trump's chief of staff, spoke down to her, was condescending,
was insulting. That didn't help. But the real reason is

(03:43):
that many around Trump felt that Waltz was sloppy, that
he made the President and his national security team look bad,
that this was an amateur error on his part, and
that fundamentally they believed that Alex, his deputy, was the
source of the league and that for whatever reason, Waltz

(04:06):
was not refusing to cut Alex Wong loose. And so
basically Trump came to the decision, I'm hemorrhaging. People at
the National Security Council are miserable. State Department wants him out,
My national security team wants him out. I've got to
get rid of him. And so rather than giving the

(04:28):
media an all out victory, which is what it would
be had he fired Waltz. Trump then said, let's move
him over to the United Nations. Enough time has passed
since the so called scandal. Waltz is now out, and
Alex Wong as well. He will Waltz will now be

(04:49):
and it looks like he has the votes, he will
be confirmed, and looks like he will be our next
ambassador to the United Nations. Now, let me just make
a couple of points, and I want to throw it
open to you. Six one seven two six six sixty eight,
sixty eight. What is very clear is that Mike Waltz

(05:12):
is a neo conservative. In fact, if you look at
many of Waltz's statements going back just a few years ago,
Waltz was an anti Trumper. He's a warhawk. He wants
war with Iran. He disagrees with Trump's views on Ukraine.

(05:32):
He wants a much more aggressive posture and stance against
Mother Russia. He has said disparaging things about Trump. As
I said in the past, he's basically a male version
of Nikki Haley, who the hell vetted him for this position.
It's obvious every time Trump spoke, or Rubio spoke or

(05:57):
jd Vance spoke, and the you know, gave the MAGA
America first line on issues. You can see Waltz wincing
in the background, almost as if he's like a boxer
who just got punched in the gut. Every sentence, almost
every word bothered him. So he was never really part

(06:17):
of the team to begin with. He was always seen
and essentially was a shill for the national security state
and for the military industrial complex. He wanted more war,
not less. He wanted war with Russia, he wanted war
with Iran. He wanted more war in the Middle East,

(06:40):
and that goes against everything Trump and America first stands for.
And so Laura Lumer, to her credit, she lumored him.
She was the one that exposed he was the source
of the league. But she also exposed the numerous comments
he made against Trump over the years and ask the question,

(07:02):
who the hell picked him, who the hell checked him out,
who vetted him where, who's doing the vetting? Well, Trump
didn't like what he saw and eventually moved him over
to the UN Now, I understand the President doesn't want
to give the media a victory lap because they're gonna

(07:23):
make it seem like we chased Waltz out, and once
you do that, then there's blood in the water. And
then they're just going to paralyze your administration with faux
scandal after fax scandal because once once, once Waltz falls,
they're gonna want to take out Hegseth, who's the real
America firster at the Department of Defense. So he wanted

(07:47):
to give walt something to save face for Waltz, but
especially to save face for him and his entire team.
I get it. I'll be honest with you. I don't
like the move. I like firing Waltz or whatever, ousting
Waltz and getting him out of National Security Advisor that

(08:08):
I agree with, not one hundred eight thousand percent. I
just don't like him as ambassador to the UN. Why
because I don't trust him. If he was a leaker
as national or as people we're leaking as National security advisor,
why the hell would I want him over at the

(08:30):
United Nations. Now it's not as prestigious. You don't have
the same access to sensitive classified information. To me, it's
a demotion to go from the height of national security
to basically, you know, being our voice at the UN.
It's where Trump put Nikki Haley. In other words, if

(08:54):
you've got a political enemy in your administration, it's sort
of our version of sending them to SIBE, send him
to the United Nations. They make a little bit of noise,
they have fancy lunches, they vote the way we tell
them to vote. They make a couple of speeches, but
essentially they can't damage the administration because they're not privy

(09:17):
to classified sensitive information the way Waltz was, for example,
as National Security Advisor. But still, to me, a mole
is a mole is a mole, and I'd rather just
clean house and get rid of him and Alex Swong
and that whole gang all together. But that's me. The

(09:40):
question now is who will replace Mike Waltz. And this
is going to be a huge decision with a lot
of this is going to have a real impact. Who
will he choose. It appears that the front runner for
now is Steve Whitkoff, who is Trump's envoy to the

(10:03):
Middle East, to Israel, to Iran, also to Russia during
this Russia Ukraine war and the drive for a peace settlement.
We'll see, but there's other people that our names are
being thrown around. Robert O'Brien, good solid pick. Michael Anton

(10:23):
I've had him on the show a few times. He's
now at the State Department, a brilliant geopolitical thinker and
also very much MAGA and America First, loyal all the
way to the President and his agenda and his vision.
So we'll see who the President picks. I like Michael Anton.

(10:45):
I think he'd be perfect for the job. But I
think no matter who, whether it's O'Brien, even Steve Whitkoff Witkoff,
I think would be much better than Waltz. Six seven
two six six sixty eight sixty eight is the number. Okay,
shake up now on Trump's national security team, Mike Waltz

(11:07):
out along with his deputy Alex Wong. He has now
been He's going to be essentially moved over or transferred
to be the US ambassador to the United Nations. So
let me ask all of you. It is the Kooner
Country Pole Question of the Day, sponsored by Marios Marios Roofing,

(11:31):
Siding and Windows. Is the decision to move Mike Waltz
from National Security advisor to UN ambassador? Is it a promotion?
B a demotion. I'm just curious a a promotion or

(11:57):
basically the same in other words, a lateral move, or
be an actual, real demotion. I want to hear from you.
You can vote on our web page wrko dot com
slash cooner wrko dot com slash cooner kuh and as
in Nancy Er. You can also vote via x my handle.

(12:20):
There all one word at the Kooner report, kuh and
as in national er. Okay, to me, I think it's
clearly a demotion. To me, there's no comparison, un ambassador.
I mean it's got some prestige, of course, but I
mean the national security advisor, you are there at every

(12:43):
cabinet meeting. You are there at every major national security
or military decision. You are essentially the right hand of
the president on national and military security issues. You have
the ear of the president. You are privy to the
most sensitive, intimate conversations and details of the administration when

(13:05):
it comes to say, war planning or national defense. Now
you're just in New York among other ambassadors and diplomats,
voting on irrelevant resolutions and giving speeches and you know,
drinking chardonnay and and and and and eating lobster. I mean,

(13:27):
it's a nice life, but you're not in the thick
of the action, that's for sure. And I think it
was clear again my view. You may disagree. I think
Trump realized I've got a leaker, I've got somebody I
can't trust. I've got someone who's not a team player.
I've got someone who frankly is not on my wavelength.

(13:49):
And clearly that was a monumental gaff, which signal gate
amateur hour and it and it brais the question to
me right away, what's he doing talking to Jeffrey Goldberg,
you know, Mike Waaltz's excuse to us, well, he's on
my contact list, Well why is he on your contact list?

(14:10):
And he was like, well, I talked to reporters all
the time. You talk to the number one Trump hater
in Washington, DC, whose sole mission, whose salary is paid
to go out and destroy Donald Trump. I'm sorry. That

(14:32):
to me raised multiple red flags, multiple red flags. And
he just you know, Shazam just coincidentally, he's added to
this group chat and plunges the administration into this fake
media scandal and they got to deal with this for
weeks on end. And he's trying to direct everybody and

(14:56):
behind the scenes to go after Hegxeth who the the
media was. You know, they really wanted to take out
heg Seth. And I'll tell you why, because heg Seth
is loyal to the President. Heg Seth is America first.
Heg Seth doesn't want to bomb and have a war
with Iran. Heg Seth backs the President's diplomatic peace initiatives

(15:21):
with Russia and Ukraine. Heg Seth is not a shill
for the military industrial complex. Whatever is flaws, whatever is false.
And you know, my wonderful wife can't stand the guy.
She's practically counting down the days, in the hours until
she believes he's finally going to be tossed out on
his rear end. But the war fighters love him, and

(15:44):
I'll tell you why. They love him because he's not
going to put them into these unnecessary, needless wars, because
he's been in war and he knows the horrors of war,
and he knows how it's the soldiers on the front
line always suffer the most. So I think I hope

(16:05):
heg Seth is safe, at least in the near future.
But the fact of the matter is to me, Waltz
was a slow cancer spreading and spreading in that administration,
and Trump had no choice but to cut him loose.
And I think he made a strategic decision. If I
cut him loose, I got another John Bolton on my hands.

(16:26):
I got another guy who's gonna write another vessel called
best selling book. He's going to become a professional anti Trumper,
but this time from the quote unquote inside and like Bolton,
he'll write his book, make his millions, then go on
This is CNN, and go on CNN or MSNBC and

(16:49):
do the media rounds and then just start attacking Trump
and hag Seth and Marco Rubio and j D. Vance
and they're gonna get a month of scandals over this,
a month of media stories. And so Trump said, let's
send them to our you know, our equivalent of Siberia.

(17:11):
I need someone at the UN at least a fanic
had to pull back because we can't afford to lose
our seat. Let's throw this guy in there, and well,
you know, I'll keep him on ice and he won't
go around selling books and bad mouthing us. And I
just need him to read a speech once in a while.
And vote the way we tell him to vote. So

(17:34):
I kill two birds with one stone. I get rid
of this clown, this Judas, and I send them off
to the un limit media damage to me and my team,
and then I can get someone who's much more professional,
much more loyal, much more committed to what we're trying
to do. Whether it's Anton, whether it's O'Brien or whether

(17:57):
it's wit cough A. You know ABC better than Waltz. So,
no matter what's going to happen, whoever he picks is
going to be a solid improvement over Mike Waltz. So
I look at this decision as Trump honestly making the
best of a bad situation, as they say, making lemonade

(18:20):
out of lemons. But that's me. I want to hear
from you. Okay, Grace is texting me, my wonderful wife,
she's texting the cooner man, and she's saying that she
thinks Trump is making a mistake, that he should have
just fired Mike Waltz right there. Bit the bullet. It

(18:41):
would have been a forty eight to seventy two hour
media scandal. Most Americans wouldn't care. The media would crawl
a little bit, Yes, but who cares and then just
simply move on. But by moving him to the UN,
according to Grace, this is her theory, This is only
going to give more ammunition to the media. They're going

(19:02):
to go continue to go after Trump. That they believe
they're going to continue to have access to Waltz, who's
gonna leak behind the scenes and has dissatisfied underlings like
Alex Wong, and that this is just going to continue
to prolong the the bleeding that you've got, you know you,
if you've decided to move on, then just move on now.

(19:24):
I think Trump, with his counter argument, would be, this
is why I'm moving him to the UN. I'm moving
him to the United Nations because this way the media
can't say I fired him. So I'm nipping in the
bud this media blood bath and this media celebration that

(19:45):
we brought Mike Waltz, a key Trump official, down over
signal Gate. The last thing Trump wants to do is
give the media a kill, to embolden the media to
think that they can pick apart his administration. And you
can tell it kind of took a lot of the
air out of the story yesterday when first initially it

(20:10):
was huge. Waltz is out. His deputy Alex Wong is
out too. The media right away were like, you say,
they're incompetent. This was a scandal. Heads had to roll.
And then by the end of the day, well, he's
just moving to the un Okay, maybe a demotion I

(20:30):
think it is, but whatever, But Okay, Waltz is still there.
He's still collecting a check, he's still going to be
a high profile person. You're still going to be seeing
him on the talkies. And so it took a lot
of the sting out of the initial breaking news that
Waltz was out as National Security Advisor. So Trump, I think,

(20:56):
is saying, look, I removed the problem, and I didn't
give the media what they wanted, which is a trophy.
I didn't give them what they wanted, which was a win,
a win over me and my administration. And this way,
I've taken care of a problem and I've blunted the

(21:19):
attack of my enemy, which is the media. So I
think that would be Trump's counter argument. Anyway, I want
to hear from you six one seven two, six, six
sixty eight sixty eight, and I think to me, it
raises two questions. And then I want to go straight
to the phones. I promise number one, who the hell

(21:39):
is vetting these people? I mean, most of his picks
have been very, very good. As I said on X
last night, Rubio, who, by the way, is going to
be Acting National Security Advisor. And I don't know how
this guy sleeps at night because he's Secretary of State,
he's now acting National Secure Advisor. He's also acting Administrator

(22:04):
of USAID, and he's the acting Archivist of the United States.
I mean, the guy was the got four positions now.
But you know, Rubio has been a great pick. Vance
I think has been extremely good at as Vice President
heg Seth. Contrary to what the media claims. Just asked

(22:26):
the who thies. I think he's been a very solid,
very solid Secretary of Defense. You can run. Most of
his cabinet picks have been excellent. Frankly. The only three
I was not happy with were Waltz, who's now out,
Pam Bondie, and so far Cash Battal has been a

(22:48):
big disappointment. But outside of that, I think he's had
a rock solid cabinet. But on a couple of these picks,
you're asking, who the hell ededed these people? Especially Mike
wall I mean, you can play the cuts. He bad
mouthed them in twenty sixteen, he bad mouthed them throughout
his first term. He bad mouthed them after Joe Biden

(23:10):
stole the election, He bad mouthed them during the last
couple of years. Why would you get a guy like
that on your team? And let me ask all of
you in some ways the ultimate question. We're barely now
one hundred days into his presidency, and as you know,
I think he's had an outstanding one hundred days, but

(23:34):
within one hundred days, your top national security official is out.
Within one hundred days, he's got to go to Bait,
as I said, our version of Siberia. He's got to
go to the United Nations because of a screw up,
whether it be signal Gate, or whether he shouldn't have

(23:56):
hired him in the first place, or whether the long
knives are out again against them, whatever it is. And
it's not just Waltz, his deputy, Alex Wong, the number
two is out, Most of the National Security Council out.
They're going to be completely purged and replaced. Is there

(24:18):
now this threat or perception of a threat that there's
chaos within the Trump team and chaos within the Trump cabinet.
How do you feel about the fact that Waltz is
gone and gone so quick, so fast, so early. The

(24:41):
guy barely lasted three months six one, seven, two, six, six,
sixty eight, sixty eight. Okay, let's go to Debbie in Wallfam.
Thanks for holding Debbie and welcome. Hello.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yes, absolutely, I'll come morning Jack. Yeah, I me personally.
I had already researched Whilk previously. He was uh more
or less in Bush's pocket, and anybody in Bush's pocket
is against Trump. He looked like he was sweating bullets

(25:25):
during the interrogation from the Democrats on the leaked subject.
To the reporter, I could tell you he was squirming in
his seat. I'm kind of a people watcher. I watched
the movements and whatnot. And aside from that, you have
the other gentleman who he was also on the Bush side.

(25:48):
And then we go to Pam Bondi. Pam Bondi was
also a Bush person and also on that side. And
also with Pam Bondi, she was a da of Florida
and she had Epstein in Florida many times with his clients,
and she did nothing. She looked the other way. And

(26:11):
I have no idea who is referring these people to
Trump because he can't make the same mistake he made
the first time, hanging on to an age too long.
Get rid of her. She's doing nothing. And I think
a lot of people that in my circle have been
saying the same thing. We're absolutely totally disappointed with her.

(26:34):
As far as walt.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Debbie, please don't swear, but your point is very very
well made. No, Debbie, look, I think you're right. He's
going to cause more trouble. I don't trust him. He's
a bushy. And look again, look, Laura Lumer has hit
or miss right. I've said this about Lumor many times.
When she's on man, she on target. Other times, Oh boy,

(26:55):
did she marry It's like it's not even on the
same planet, you know, the same planet, the same happening,
the same universe. But on this one she lumured him.
She really lumured Waltz. And I remember I saw one
of her threads and she said, here, look, here's a
clip of Waltz talking about Trump. And I'm not talking

(27:21):
ten years ago, this was just a couple of years ago.
And she asked the obvious question, do you trust this
man to be the president's right hand man on national security?
And when you hear the way Waltz is just I
mean an he's a Nikki Haley, George Bush, Jeb Bush, Republican,

(27:44):
he's a Bushy, he's a Neocon, he's a warmonger, and
I mean he was just spewing venom against Trump. So
I'm like, why would you have him as national security advisor?
Who the hell had him to the president or sorry,
recommended him to the president? Who? I mean I knew right,

(28:09):
I said, this is not going to work. And then
you know, Debbie, as you talked about, I don't know
if it was Laura Ingram, don't quote me. I think
it was Laura Ingram, But it was one of these
Fox News personalities where right after Signalgate, he sits down
for an interview and he was very evasive. Waltz was evasive.

(28:32):
You could tell he was lying, you could tell he
was covering up. You could tell he was the leaker
and that Alex Wong is deputy. Together, they were the leakers.
And I remember at one point they're even asking him,
but why would you have Jeffrey Goldberg in your contact list,
Like seriously, like, what do you have to say to
a guy like that? His mission is to bring down Trump?

(28:56):
So why and not just you know you called him once,
you've called him many times, So what are you guys
talking about? And he refused, He just evaded, he dodged,
he refused to answer the question. And that's when I said,
this guy's a Judas. This guy's a Judas. Now to me,

(29:16):
you just fire a Judas. I know it's going to
be forty eight seventy two hours. Oh my god, you
know we beat him. We got Waltz out. What fine?
Who cares?

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Move on?

Speaker 1 (29:29):
But now Judas is going to be at the un
One of the things I love about Trump. He's got
many outstanding qualities, but to me, one of the qualities
that really stands out he's not afraid to fire people,
and he's not afraid to fire people quickly, and he
doesn't care how it looks like. In other words, Okay,

(29:52):
Waltz has been there essentially three months. Well that's really
early to let someone go. I don't care you're not delivering,
or in this case, you're lying and you're leaking, and
I don't trust you, you're out bye, too bad. You
know you had a shot. You blew it out. Next,
Out with the old, in with the new. So I

(30:15):
do like the fact that he's aggressive when it comes
to getting rid of people that aren't working or aren't performing.
I don't know with sending him to the UN, though,
is a good move that. I mean, I can see
an argument. Obviously you don't want another loose cannon ala
John Bolton writing another stupid memoir and blasting the administration

(30:37):
and giving interview after interview after interview, and so you
obviously don't want that. So you know the expression keep
your friends close, keep your enemies even closer. So maybe
you do move them to the UN. This way, you
keep them part of the administration, you keep them quiet,
and you've essentially neutered him. But I don't like leakers, judases.

(31:01):
My instinct always is if you can get rid of them,
get rid of them. But that's me I want to
hear from you. Six one seven two six, six sixty
eight sixty eight is the number, Kalmar, is it? Sorry?
My bad, Caspar, My bad Caspar in Belmont, Thanks for

(31:21):
holding Caspar and welcome.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
Yes, you said exactly what I was going to say
about keeping your enemies closer. And remember, Nikki Haley ran
for president. You should shout this as a promotion so
that you did not do what your enemies wanted you
to do, which would have been just to fire him
and say, see, he doesn't know how to pick his
own people. You put him there and say it's a promotion.

(31:45):
I wanted to get into national experience. I want to
set up my cabinet. I want all the people around
me so that any one of these guys could run
for president and beat any one of the Democrats that
are running against you know us, and we will always
win because always about winning. And I think Trump is
going to be playing three dimensional chests on this and

(32:06):
he has to say this is a promotion, and this
is exactly what I wanted. That's the way you have
to play it, and that's the way you have to
spin it. And I think he'll be successful on it.
And if you know what your leaker is, well then
you can lead the stuff you want leaked. Well, you
can lie about what the league is and let things

(32:27):
come out and use it to your advantage. I think
Trump's doing a great thing. His first term. He did
not clean house and get rid of everybody. This time,
he got rid of everybody, and he's being very careful
about who he allows to stay close to him.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Well, guaranteed Waltz is no longer close to him. That
I can guarantee you, Caspar, Caspar, I'm just curious, do
you think Walt's just in the heart of the matter.
Do you think Walts deserved to be fired? Other words,
was Signal Gate bad enough of a scandal having him

(33:06):
accidentally or deliberately whatever, But let's just assume it's accidental.
Put Jeffrey Goldberg on that group chat, and then all
the stuff that was leaked about the attack on the
who thy's was that worth getting rid of Waltz as
your national security advisor?

Speaker 4 (33:25):
But he can say whatever they want about how smart
they are about social media. At the end of the day,
I don't think anybody's smart about social media, but that position,
you should have been smart about social media, and you
should have said this is the way you communicate, this
is the way you don't communicate. And yes, in the
perfect world, it's fireable because and you should know who

(33:49):
you're sending stuff to. You don't just have a contact
list and just say, oh, just send this to my
contact list. Well who's that? You know you should be
vetting every single name on your contact list before you
hit sen. You know he said, oh, you know Jane Coooner.
Well no, that was Jeff Coooner Or was that George Coooner.

(34:11):
He should have known every single name that was on there.
That that was a fatal mistake. But like I said,
you have to play it that you did what you
wanted to do, not what the other team wanted you
to gat.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
I gotta say, great analysis, Casper, I gotta tell you great.
I think you. I think you you nailed Trump's thinking
to a t. And He's like, what I want to
stand there? Give them a victory like this, and they're
gonna crow that they took me down or took one
of my guys down, and then make it into a whole.
You know, look at us. He's he's lost his national

(34:44):
security advisor. He can't pick the right person, and before
you know it, this thing is going on for weeks
and weeks. No, I promoted the guy, give him a
little bit of experience, a little seasoning in Washington. And
then I said, Mike, I U n baby, I need
a strong voice at the UN. That's you and and Casper.

(35:06):
I don't know if you saw the coverage of the
media the first hour when it was just he's out.
Oh man, they were dancing on Trump's grave. I mean,
this was you would think this is the beginning of Watergate.
Who's gonna be next? Heg seth are the dominoes about
the fall? Then when Trump came out in the early

(35:27):
afternoon and said, yeah, no, I'm moving it. Yeah he's out,
but no, I'm moving him over to the UN and
he's gonna do a great job, you know, and he's
he's my guy. I need a warrior in there. And
before you know it, it's no longer a scandal. It's
it's a lateral move. And so he took a lot

(35:50):
of the teeth out of the you know, the the
the aggressiveness of the media. He took a lot of
teeth out of it, where suddenly it wasn't this you know,
the admitted stration is collapsing and Trump doesn't know what
he's doing to it's a shakeup. So Caspar, I think
that's exactly what Trump wanted to do. That's how we

(36:12):
wanted to spin it. And I think he did Caspar.
Thank you very much as always, good call, really good call.
David in North Carolina. Thanks for holding, David, and welcome.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Good morning Jeff.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Hi David.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Just a simple point, and that is Walts and Long
national security leaking information to the Atlanta question is why
aren't you prosecuted by the AG that might shut up
these people who continue to turn on Trump?

Speaker 1 (36:45):
That was just my point, David, the hold on. If
you can just backtrack, who do you want prosecuted at
and Long?

Speaker 5 (36:53):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (36:53):
I'd love to I agree, I'd love to see.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
That national security. Are you kidding? And what was to
say without or hagg steph knowing it? Anybody on Trump's
staff should be prosecuted for leaking information and then fired
and then let the AG take over on him.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Well, look, David, you're dead on. You're dead on, and
I want to thank you for your courage because you're
saying what a lot of people are thinking. David. Look,
I would go even a little further, and you tell
me if you agree or disagree. I don't believe Mike Waltz.
I'll be honest. I don't believe him. I don't believe
that he put Goldberg on accidentally. That's what's kind of

(37:37):
saving him a little bit, right. Oh, it was an accident, Alex.
It was through Alex Wong, his deputy, and Alex just
I don't know. I don't know. You punch something in
your phone and suddenly this guy's name Just, I don't
know how it got on there. So they're trying to
make it seem it was inadvertent. It was accidental. It
wasn't intentional. I don't believe him. I'm telling you, I

(38:01):
don't believe him. I think it was deliberate. And furthermore,
why are the two of you talking to Goldberg? And
when they track down the phones and the call logs,
they've been talking to Goldberg for years, both of them
for years now. Remember Wong also served in Trump's first

(38:23):
term in the State Department, like the North Korea Asia
branch or division of the State Department. I want to
know if Wong has been a career leaker. I think
we need to know. So Number one, I don't believe
it was accidental. I do believe it was deliberate. And

(38:46):
this gets to my other point, David. Look, I said
it at the time, but it bears repeating. I get
a signal chat sorry, a thread, a chat group chat,
notif vcation that whoa, it's this signal? What's this on? Signal? Yeah?

(39:06):
What I'm in on a conversation with the Vice President
of the United States, the National Security Advisor, the Secretary
of State, the Secretary of Defense, literally the inner circle
of the president's national security team, and they're talking about

(39:28):
war plans against the Houthis or whatever attack plans against
the houthis. My I'm telling you, my first instinct is,
first of all, how did you get me on here?
That's number one. I'm thinking, like, oh my god. Number two.
Right away, I'm like, hey, listen, I didn't hack into this.
I give you my word of honor. You know, I

(39:49):
don't know how, but I'm on this thread. I shouldn't
be on this thread. This is Jeff Cooner WRKO.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
You know.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Uh, I don't don't prosecute me over this, you know,
I mean, I'd be like really, I'm like, listen, I
just got put on I should not have been put
on here. This is none of my business. I don't
have access to this. I shouldn't have access to this,
and you know, please take me out right away and
be notified. There's a leak, there's a mole. Someone has

(40:22):
added me when they shouldn't have added me. That would
be my honest reaction, wouldn't that be yours?

Speaker 3 (40:28):
David find out right through discovery? How long would it
take with if we had an age an FBI to
go in and send their agents in and take a
look at all the transactions over the last five years
and look at Wong and look at the walls, even
when he's in Congress, you'd find what you need to

(40:51):
know that. There's no way this could have been by accident,
because when you put somebody in a group chat, you
have to go out and put them on it, so
you consciously had to do that.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
I agree, I completely agree, and I think Goldberg, to me,
Goldberg had no business being on that chat, and he
can hide as a journalist all he wants. To me,
I would have gone after Goldberg, and I would have
gone after him hard. I'm sorry, man, you've been inadvertently
accidentally put on I'm like, whatever, deliberate or not. The
point is you were not intended to be part of

(41:25):
that group chat, and they add you and like the
little weasel that he is, and this went on for
days and he's listening, he's taking notes, he's taking shots, snapshots,
and then he's leaking after he gathers all of this information.
I'm sorry, you're disgusting, really that he's disgusting. He's disgusting.

(41:50):
So I agree with you. I think he's very lucky,
very lucky. He and Alex Swong are not facing jail time.
And look, he's to get a gig at the UN.
And I'm telling you right now, David, everybody knows it.
It's an open secret in Washington. Trump is gonna keep
him there if he can, for three and a half years.

(42:11):
Why because the moment this guy resigns or is pushed
out as the UN ambassador, he's gonna ride a memoir.
He's gonna get millions of money, millions of dollars up front.
They're gonna give him a nice, I mean, a nice
five million dollar check and just blast the administration. And

(42:36):
you watch Waltz is gonna blast Trump. He's gonna blast
j D. He's gonna blast Marco Rubio, he's gonna blast
Pig egg Seth and like Bolton, half the stuff is
gonna be completely made up, just ridiculous stuff. You know, whatever,
you know, Trump is in the bathroom half the time.
I'm not kidding, you know what, what's he doing in

(42:58):
the toilet? I don't know, but he's all he's in
the toilet. It's not true, sir, Do you have a
toilet problem?

Speaker 4 (43:04):
Like?

Speaker 1 (43:04):
That's how they roll. And then he's gonna do the talkies,
he's gonna do the rounds. So you get into an
administration like Trump, if you turn, it's big money. That's
why the temptation is so huge for so many people.
That's why Trump now surrounds himself with people he's absolutely

(43:27):
knows as loyal to him. He absolutely knows they're loyal
to him, because otherwise you get judases like this and
there're a dime a dozen. David, thank you very much
for that call. I really appreciate it. By the way,
did you hear Bolton? I forget where it may have

(43:47):
been CNN. I don't quote me, or it could have
been Meet the Press or Meet the mess on NBC,
so don't quote me. He literally threatened, hegseth, He threatened, hegseth.
He came as close to threatening hegseth as you could
possibly come, like, in other words, you better step down,

(44:09):
or something's gonna happen to you, like you know, I
E will kill you or I E. We're gonna dig
up information that's gonna destroy you and your entire family.
So the neo cons want a war with Iran, and
heg Seth is saying no, no, no, and that's why

(44:33):
the long knives are out to get him. Six one
seven two six six sixty eight sixty eight Ed in Marblehead,
thanks for holding ed, and.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
Welcome morning, Jeff Hi. I really like your analysis on
Walls being exiled to the UN. I think it makes
sense because, as you pointed out him, it kills two
birds with one stone, and it also is a way
of keeping tabs on him. He's going to be on

(45:05):
a scrutiny the whole time he's there. He won't be
able to monkey around with the way he would if
he would cut loose now. But more importantly, what I
think UH comes up next is who is Trump replace
Waltz with? Why not? Mike Flynn?

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (45:25):
I love Mike Flynn. Please, He's my number one on
almost every you know C I A Mike Flynn, FBI
Mike Flynn. Like hell, I'm not kidding. Even Attorney General
Mike Flynn. You know, for me, Mike Flynn is number
one on everything ed for whatever reason. I think it's
family related. I don't want to get into it. But

(45:47):
he doesn't want it. He doesn't want it. He's an advisor.
Trump trusts him a lot. Flynn has a lot of
weight with the President, but he Trump is offered in
position after position. In fact, I gotta be careful how
I couch this, but let me just say this. Susie

(46:08):
Wiles was interviewed and said, well, I've spoken to the
President many times. I e Trump, and his position is
my position. Whatever Mike wants, Mike will get. That's how
loyal Trump feels to Mike Flynn because he sees how
loyal Flynn was to him. He just doesn't want it.

(46:32):
I don't know if he's too tired. I don't know,
if he's ill. I don't know if he's got family issues.
I don't know what it is. I don't know if
he's been so burned and beaten down. He just doesn't
want to go you know, you know, he's doesn't want
to go at it again, but he Trump would give

(46:53):
it to him in a heartbeat. He doesn't want it,
and I know for a fact, I gotta be careful
I say this head. I know for a fact, Flynn
has been offered plumb positions in the administration. Plumb no
every time, no, no, no, no, loves the President, advises

(47:15):
the President. In fact, you don't even hear President will
talk to him one on one. Nobody even knows they talked.
I mean, his lips are sealed. But he will not
take a high profile position. But so from everything I've read,
I think Trump wants to go with Witkoff, But there's

(47:36):
a lot of pressure now against that. Not that they
don't like Whitcoff, but they don't think he's the He's
not the guy for national security. He's a deal maker.
He's a negotiator, he's an envoy. He's somebody you sent
to you know, Okay, let me hear your side, let
me hear the other side. And he's he's a detailed

(47:58):
guy who can split the different and get two sides
to come together. You know, think of like a brilliant
a brilliant negotiator or arbiter. That's Witkoff. And they're saying
that's great, but that's not what you want as you're
a head of national security. That's why there's a lot
of pressure now to get O'Brien or to get Michael Anton.

(48:21):
Michael Anton would get it, except and I'm not saying
this as a criticism. I'm just giving you an observation.
Anton is not a good people person. Let me just
put it to you this way. He's stiff, he's a
bit cold, doesn't know how to really work a room,
has a hard time working with other people. Brilliant, his

(48:45):
IQ is off the charts, knows the issues as a
phenomenal grasp of the issues. He's written several incredible books.
In many ways, he's the foreign policy mind of President
tu so on the philosophical policy side, he's perfect for

(49:06):
the job. But you got to work with you know,
part of being a national security advisor is you're working
with the Vice president, you're working with the Secretary of State,
you're working with the Secretary of Defense. You got to
be able to navigate different agencies, different personalities, and work
together as a team. That's not Anton's strength. O'Brien is

(49:28):
better at that. So we'll see what happens. But the
front runner right now is Witcoff. If I was to
pick now, if I was a Vegas guy. I would
say my money would be on Witcoff. But if Witkoff
stumbles early, watch out for O'Brien ed. Final word to.

Speaker 5 (49:52):
You, well, I can say, Jeff is thank you for
your insights on that. I was not aware that Lynn
didn't want the job or any other significant positions in
the administrator.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
I wanted him at FBI. I mean, I gotta be
careful how I say this, but I was pushing behind
the scenes FBI, FBI, FBI. That was Trump's first pick.
I really shouldn't even be saying this. Trump went to
Flynn and said, I want you to run the FBI. Now,
it's a hard job. I mean, I'm I'm I'm just
being honest. It's it's not just that, it's you got

(50:25):
tremendous opposition and you know, institutional hostility. But you're working long, hard,
punishing days. It's a it's a grueling job if you
do it right. But Trump offered him FBI. Trump offered
him ci A Trump I believe I think Trump offered

(50:47):
him national Security Initially wasn't walts Waltz, wasn't his first pick.
It was it was Glynn. Flynn said, no, I suspect
he has health issues. I'm not saying he does. Yeah,
I shouldn't be saying this