Washing Our Hands of Ukraine?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Is it time now for the United States and for
Trump himself and his entire team, JD. Vance and Marco
Rubio and his envoys, whether it be Steve Whitkoff or
General Kellogg. Witkoff has been working directly with Putin. Kellogg
has been working directly with Zelenski. Is it time now
for them to just wash their hands and walk away?

(00:34):
That's what Rubio and Vance and Trump are now telling
Zelenski after he has now rejected their final peace deal offer,
that they are done. There will be no more talking,
no more meetings, no more negotiations. That they are gonna
move on. They've got other things, bigger fish to fry,
as they say, they got to focus on Iran, they

(00:55):
got to win this trade war with China. They've got
other issues that they say, me needs their top attention
and their priority, have other priorities and needs their concentration.
And so they're saying to Zelenski, Look, the train is
about to leave the station. Are you on board or not?

(01:15):
Now Here's what the Russians would get. As I said,
They would get Crimea, which they've controlled for over ten years,
and historically, going all the way back to Catherine the Great,
was part of the Russian Empire, so really Ukraine does
not have very strong historic claims to Crimea. Putin would get,

(01:35):
for the most part, good chunks or slices of eastern Ukraine,
especially the four provinces that he has tried to annex
over the last three years in that war. He would
get what his army has won on the ground, nothing more,
nothing less, and the reason for the war. Ukraine would

(01:57):
not be allowed to become a member of NATO, and
so Ukraine would remain militarily neutral. Now you may say, well,
that's a great deal for Putin, but his side is winning.
It's reflecting facts on the ground. Putin's not getting anything more.

(02:17):
That's number one. Number two. Ukraine also gets quite a bit.
As Trump keeps telling Zelenski, I'm giving you a chance
to have a country. I'm giving you a chance to
be with the West. I'm giving you a chance to
have a future. Russia would seed territories that they have
won in Ukraine around the very important city in northern Ukraine, Kharkiv,

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used in Russian it's called Kharkov. It was a key
area in the battle with the Nazis in World War Two.
It is one of the biggest cities in Ukraine. Those
territories Russia would give back to Ukraine, so Ukraine would
get some of its territory back. Number one. Number two,
Ukraine would be allowed and have Russia would say fine,

(03:06):
no more objections. Ukraine could then become a full member
of the European Union, so it would be politically, economically,
culturally anchored to Europe and to the West. And then
number three, the Europeans have agreed that they would provide
massive security guarantees to Ukraine should the Russians ever attempt

(03:33):
to attack again or invade again, or if they try
to violate this negotiated peace deal. In other words, Ukraine
would have military security guarantees backstopped by Germany, France, England,
Italy and the entire EU. And there's most likely going
to be UN peacekeepers separating the Russian and next territories

(03:57):
in eastern Ukraine from the rest of Ukraine. So Ukraine
will come out of this war smaller but more Ukrainian impact.
Access to the Black Sea, access to Europe, access to
the European Union with strong military security guarantees, and if

(04:21):
Zelensky had half a brain and signs the military sorry,
the rare earth minerals agreement with commercial and financial ties
deep ties between Ukraine and the United States. In short,
it's peace with honor. It's peace with honor. Now Zelensky

(04:42):
is saying nothing, I give nothing. I want all of
the territories in eastern Ukraine back, I want all of
Crimea back, I want everything back, and I want Russia
to pay hundreds of billions of dollars in reparations. So
with Zelenski, he is proposing is a perpetual war. Now

(05:04):
here is the danger. And this is what Trump's trying
to warn him, And privately he's saying, I don't know
if he's that stupid, if he's that dense, or if
he's just that corrupt and bought off. What Trump is
trying to tell him is that his army already is
starting to break and collapse on the Eastern Front, that

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if this war continues for another six months or a year,
his army may completely collapse, and then Putin is gonna
grab a lot more territory. In fact, he may have
a straight shot and path to the capital Kiev itself,
which means Zelensky may lose all of Ukraine, not just

(05:48):
the eastern edge of Ukraine. That he is playing and
gambling with the lives of Ukrainians, of Russians, and really
of that part of Europe. And so Trump is telling him, look,
this is it. We're at a crossroads for the United States,
for Europe, for Russia, but especially for Ukraine. Do you

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want peace or do you want this war to continue?
And it could lead to an absolute disaster for Ukraine
and for the Ukrainian people. Zelensky, for whatever reason, is
refusing to sign any piece deal framework. He will not
make an inch of territorial concessions. So to me, it's

(06:36):
quite obvious that the globalists want this war to continue.
And let me just read to you a text. This
is from five oh eight. You can text the coner
man seven zero four seven zero seven zero four seven
zero and this is what five o eight says. And
I think he's or he or she is completely spot on, Jeff.

(06:57):
The globalists want Ukraine to be completely destroyed, so that
what's left will be theirs to pillage, and that which
is Russia's can be used in the media to continue
a propaganda war against Putin Bingo. You see, the globalists
want Russia to remain the boogeyman, not China, so they

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want to continue this cold war against Russia. So let
the Ukrainians keep fighting. Let them keep dying, fight to
the last Ukrainian. And by the way, pillage plunder, take
all a suck Ukraine dry, but just exploit all of

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its vast mineral and economic wealth and keep Russia and
Putin as the perpetual bad guy. The military industrial complex
wants war. France and Britain want this to continue. The
globalists want this war, and the Democrats want this war,

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and of course the warhawks and the neocons, and that's
why they're telling Zelensky, hold out, hold out, hold out. Now.
My advice to President Trump, cut Zelensky off at the knees.
You tell him we're walking away. Not a cent in

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military aid that's gone, no more intelligence. The United States
will extricate itself from this war and let me just
and then let's see how well Ukraine does on its
own or with the backing of the EU and the Europeans.
My prediction, Russia is gonna roll them and the Ukrainian

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people will turn on Zelensky and say, how dare how
dare you decide to stab our country in the back.
When Trump and the Americans offered us a great deal,
you turned away peace with honor, and instead now you
gave us peace with surrender. This war has been a

(09:13):
disaster for Ukraine. It has been a disaster for Russia.
But it's also been a disaster for the United States.
Hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars of our taxpayer
dollars have been sent down a rat hole, while we

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remain the most indebted nation in the history of the world.
It's time to end it once and for all.

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