November 7, 2024 • 53 mins
In this powerful episode of Wildly Wealthy Life, Kat and Lee sit down with Hanne Fellers, a passionate advocate against human trafficking and a seasoned leader in philanthropy. Hanne shares her incredible journey, from being adopted as a child to leading efforts in organizations like Zoe International and In-N-Out’s Slave 2 Nothing Foundation. They dive deep into leadership, creativity, and Hanne’s heart for rescuing trafficking victims. Discover the importance of building strong foundations in childhood, how creativity shapes leadership, and the life-changing impact of transforming one life at a time.
Discussion links:
00:00 Introduction to Hanne Fellers: Philanthropist, leader, and human trafficking advocate
01:10 Hanne's passion for helping human trafficking survivors and founding Passport to Freedom
03:45 How growing up adopted shaped her leadership and life mission
09:59 Hanne's views on creativity as a key tool in leadership and societal change
17:52 Her work with In-N-Out Slave to Nothing Foundation and the importance of humility in leadership
19:52 Lessons learned from vetting over 100 nonprofits and working with leaders worldwide
25:06 The importance of focusing on one life at a time in combating human trafficking
43:02 The role of peer-to-peer mentorship in fostering growth in children
47:17 Hanne's personal definition of living a Wildly Wealthy Life
Abolish Slavery
In-N-Out Slave 2 Nothing Foundation
https://www.slave2nothing.org/about
Zoe International - End Human Trafficking
Salt Exchange
Human Trafficking Educator
https://www.rachelcthomas.com/
7 Habits of Highly Effective People - Stephen Covey
https://www.franklincovey.com/books/the-7-habits-of-highly-effective-people/
Trust and Inspire
https://www.franklincovey.com/books/trust-and-inspire/
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Hanne (00:00):
I get this question a lot and I think it comes down to seeing,
you know, one life transformed.
It's like once you see one life goingfrom where it was to then having
full joy and life and as you guysknow, at Zoe's, we've seen that you
see that joy coming to their lives.
(00:20):
You see healing, you see just,you know, people that now become
valuable members of society.
And so it's continuing to see.
One person at a time, right?
Because that's the thingwith human trafficking.
It's like, you can get so overwhelmedat the statistics and the numbers
and the 50 million people and, youknow, all of those types of things.
(00:43):
But then, I think it still comesback to, oh, the one that I helped in
that season, the one that moved from,you know, even if it's just one step
further in their healing process.
Um, I think, yeah, it comes back to therelationships and the one at a time.
Kat (01:10):
Today's guest is Hannah Fellers.
Hannah is an amazing friendof ours, um, who we have been
so inspired by over the years.
Uh, she's Korean Norwegian.
She has traveled to over 25countries through Impact World Tour.
And when she was, In her travels, shereally got exposed to the exploitation
in children and that really impacted herand changed the trajectory of what she
(01:34):
was going to do for the rest of her life.
She has been working with organizationsthat really help fight human trafficking.
She has her own nonprofitcalled Passport to Freedom.
And she also worked with AbolishSlavery and Zoe International, and
she also helped to shape In N Out'sinitiatives to fight trafficking with
their Slave to Nothing Foundation.
(01:54):
She is an incredible powerhousewoman, a mom to two young boys,
and she loves the arts, sheloves storytelling, and strategy.
So, I'm sure you're not goingto want to miss this episode.
Make sure you stay tuned.
Hey, my name is Kat.
Lee (02:09):
And I'm Leigh.
Kat (02:10):
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Lee (02:12):
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Kat (02:54):
in a moment.
We're bringing Hana in and beforethat we'll do a quick recap, babe
How was your episode with Hana today?
Lee (03:01):
Hannah is an amazing woman.
She has a strong love for other people,and I think her upbringing really
helps kind of set the stage for her.
And you can really see how things fromyour past really are carried through your
entire life, and Will positively affectyou as you adapt and grow from them.
Kat (03:23):
Yeah, absolutely.
I think the main takeaway for me fromthe interview with Hana is how everything
she has done, um, growing up and all thesuccess that she's done in her work and
the impact that she's made on so manypeople around her and everything that
she will continue to do as a leader hasreally been founded on a strong foundation
(03:43):
as a child because she was so supported.
She had this background of, youknow, being abandoned by her
biological parents and got adopted.
But yet she had this very strongfoundation of love and support.
And I think that is why it's so important.
It's so important for us as eithercaregivers, educators, or parents to
raise kids with such a strong foundationin their identity and in their mindset.
(04:07):
So you're going to want to keep listeningto this episode all the way to the end.
Let's go ahead and bring Hana in.
So Hana, when I think aboutyou, I think of someone who has
really amazing leadership skills.
(04:29):
And the reason why I say that is becauseI think that There's a huge difference
between someone who's an entrepreneurversus someone who's a leader, and I
think that a leader is actually reallysomeone who can sign on people into
their vision and be able to, you know,kind of sacrifice parts of themselves
to be able to support someone's vision.
(04:51):
And so when I look at you and whatyou've done, you had this vision
of, uh, for Passport to Freedom.
And for putting together like a centerin Brazil, and it took you, you know,
years right to put all of this together.
But I've seen you over the years,never waver in that vision.
(05:11):
I've seen you put together eventsafter events to raise that funds
to, you know, actually cometo fruition with this vision.
And not everybody can do that, you know,and that's the thing you put it out there.
And you had a way of making people believein your vision and sign up with you to
make that vision actually come to pass.
(05:32):
So I think it's incredible.
And what I want to ask is, how did youkind of like learn how to become a leader?
Like, what is some of your most favoriteleadership values that you feel you really
hold on to and what made you learn that?
Hanne (05:48):
I have some
Kat (05:49):
very
Hanne (05:50):
good.
Role models.
I think that's, uh, themain thing at an early age.
I had, you know, good leaders aroundme, people who, you know, were
encouraging, wanted to love on meand wanted to see how they could come
around me to bring out the best in me.
(06:11):
And I think that's whatmakes a really good leader.
Is loving someone and seeing even likefurther than that, they, then they
can see for themselves, see potentialand call out that potential and give
resources and places to where they cankind of practice and use those giftings.
(06:32):
Right?
And so, yeah, I just grew up with alot of really great leaders around
me at a young age, as a teenager,had a really great leader around me.
And, uh, when I started travelingwith Impact World Tour, that I
traveled with seven years, thefounder, his name is Bill Lannerman.
He is just one of the most amazingpeople that is hardworking,
(06:55):
passionate, and just really knowshow to pull out people's giftings.
And so, yeah, just reallygood people around me.
I think that's the main thing.
Lee (07:04):
When we talk about leadership, um, there's usually different experiences
that kind of get us into thatmentality, get us into that position.
What were some of your firstexperiences with leadership?
Hanne (07:15):
I started.
Kind of like a creative artsslash dance program at my church.
I think I was 14 or 15 and it was justone of those things where it was like in
Norway where I'm from, they just didn'treally accept dance as a part of like
church or faith or, you know, and so.
(07:37):
My youth pastor leader at the time, hejust was like, well, I think that the
Bible talks about dance and I think that,you know, God intended for dance to be
a part of the church and you love it.
And.
You know, you know how to use this tospread a message and to bless others.
(07:57):
So why don't you do that at our church?
And just gave me the spaceinvested in getting like dance
mirrors, uh, for the church.
And then, yeah, that's kind ofhow I first started leading.
So it was pretty, pretty,uh, when I started to lead.
Kat (08:14):
What were some of the obstacles that you remember at that time
that you had to kind of overcome?
Hanne (08:20):
A lot of it was that.
There wasn't a lot of people around methat had gone before me within this yet.
Um, not in where I was from.
So I had to look to other places.
Yeah.
So it was like finding the musiceven, you know, like Christian music
or whatever it was, it was like.
(08:40):
That was always a challenge, findingthe right music, finding people that
can inspire you to create, you know,new dances and then knowing how to lead.
But I was pretty fortunate because Imet this, uh, young leader that was
in the capital of Norway that alsoreally believes in me and invested in
(09:00):
me and kind of helped me figure it out.
So.
Even though it was challenging,um, I still had great role models.
And I think that comes back tomy first point of leadership.
It's like, I believe in being a leaderthat can pull out the best in someone.
And inspire them, right?
(09:22):
Not just, you know, say,this is what you need to do.
It's more like, how do I inspire you todo something new that I haven't even done?
That I think that you could do, you know?
Kat (09:35):
Because that's been your experience.
Like people showing you that,hey, you can do, you can do this.
You probably don't know ityet, but you can do this.
And so that's why you lead that waybecause that's been your experience.
For sure.
Yeah.
Amazing.
And how does creativity kind ofcontribute to your leadership
(09:56):
skills and how you lead people?
Hanne (09:59):
Yeah.
So I think when you think of creatingin general and creative people,
I think they're the people whobasically run the world and you know,
they're the ones who come up with,you know, what's the next trend?
What's the next thing?
The creatives and unfortunately in, Iguess I've learned this more so in America
(10:23):
and, you know, other places too, butoften the arts are the ones that are,
you know, Oh, we need to cut the budget.
Let's cut the art piece or thecreatives or whatever it is, you
know, but then I think our societyis now changing into wait a minute.
The creatives are the ones whoset the trends and the lead.
(10:43):
And so, you know, when you thinkabout it, that's how it's been in
history, but it's starting, I think,to be more acknowledged now, how the
creatives are the ones who set kindof the next thing for, for society.
And so, yeah, being creative and, youknow, The arts, I think is so important
(11:06):
in any, uh, leadership skills and how youlearn how to create new things, right?
Cause if not, you're just doing thesame old shmable and people are like,
okay, I seen that in there, done that.
And I know, I know there's the versethat talks about, there's nothing new
under the sun, but at the same time, I'mlike, God created us creative people.
(11:29):
Yeah.
And so I think that in every person,there's something creative, and
it's about learning how to pull outthose creative, you know, ideas.
And
Kat (11:40):
that was a creative word, shmammal.
I've never heard that before.
Same shmammal.
You're just gonna keepdoing the same shmammal.
Lee (11:48):
When we are looking at you, you know, there's excellence, there's consistency,
there's like a grace that you have.
You're For people, for the projectsand whatnot that you're working on when
you're working with different, differentcompanies, different organizations
and whatnot, what do you feel are someof the qualities or characteristics
(12:08):
that can help somebody step intosome of those leadership positions?
Hanne (12:13):
I think the most important piece is humility and just being
able to show that sometimes you'rewrong and sometimes things fail.
But then it's how you rise, it'show you move on, that really shows
(12:34):
your character and who you are.
And so I think that's a reallyimportant trait in leadership is
being able to be humble and, youknow, admit when you're wrong.
And then also, I think it'sabout having a servant posture.
I've been so fortunate to bearound very many leaders who
just model that so greatly.
(12:55):
I was the You know, an organizationcalled Zoe that you guys know
really well for seven years.
And Mike and Carol Hartare just those people.
They just show humility and they serve.
And so it inspires you to want to be likethem and to, you know, outdo them in how
you serve and how you, uh, are humble andjust, you know, give joy to God, God, give
(13:22):
glory where honor and where praise is due.
Uh, And they're doing amazing work, butthey're constantly pointing at other
people to say, Oh, these people do that.
And, you know, these are the peoplethat's doing the important work.
And it just shows that humility, youknow, and it's not forced or feels fake.
(13:43):
It's like genuine humility.
And so I think that's whathas inspired me the most.
Lee (13:50):
You mentioned a couple times just finding different leaders,
different mentors and whatnot.
Is there an approach that youhave to seeking these people out?
Is it just how you carry yourself?
Do you feel like it's Just analignment where God has put you
to, to be under these people.
Kat (14:04):
Yeah.
Cause I think about it too, Hannah.
It's like, like, you really do havelike people who it's almost like you're
always under great, like you're alwaysin great relationship with people, like
there's gotta be, it's almost like,it's like, how did that just come about?
Like, is it, you know, like you justmeet like the most amazing people all
the time and it's just incredible.
Hanne (14:27):
Yeah, it's totally, I would say again, it's totally God.
But at the same time, I think it's aboutonce you meet someone that shows you those
characteristics, like, you know, humilityand leadership and all those things and.
So to me, it's just about beingauthentic with those people.
And like some people, I justdid straight up, like, Hey,
(14:49):
would you spend time with me?
Can I learn from you?
You know, and then that kind ofhas snowballed into maybe, you
know, work or different things.
And so even with Zoe too, it wasjust like, you know, we went on a
mission trip and then I was like,Oh my gosh, I see the fruits.
I see, you know, the results.
I see everything that's going on here.
(15:11):
Truly.
The favor of God isupon this organization.
How can I serve?
How can I learn how, how you're doing it?
Why are you doing it?
And all those pieces.
And so I think I just kind of had thatspirit of being like, how do I learn?
How do I, how can I grow?
How can I help you?
(15:31):
Um, and I think that comes back toleadership skills of being like,
it's not about yourself, it'sabout building someone else up.
Yeah.
And then all the other things kind ofsnowball and happen, you know, it's
taking the focus off of yourself andtrying to help someone else, you know?
Yeah.
Kat (15:49):
Yeah.
When it comes to your heart forhelping, uh, you know, kids, youth,
or anyone that's being, you know,trafficked, where did that desire
to help, uh, come from in, in thatspecific, you know, um, group of people?
Hanne (16:10):
It was something, you know, like, I think some, some people are
born with like, a justice in them.
Um, but I think there's different piecesthat kind of happen that obviously
led me to kind of focus on that.
Um, I just remember being a youngkid and always being like, you're
not going to bully my friend.
And, you know, just alwayswas about like, what's right.
(16:32):
How do you treat otherpeople kind of thing.
And then, you know, once I learnedand saw, I witnessed, you know,
prostitution essentially in Amsterdam,but then saw and looked into these
women that were working their eyesand just saw the emptiness in them.
And then started learning more abouthuman rights and then, you know,
(16:54):
witnessed it in Brazil and then witnessedit in Thailand and other places.
It's just one of those things Isay, like, you can't unsee it.
You can't know about it.
And I think the injustice and how juststraight up wrong it is, is what, you
know, fueled this like spark in me,um, to want to do something about it.
(17:18):
And then, yeah, it kind of.
Just naturally failed into a careerand you know what I'm doing now and
Lee (17:27):
what's nice is that you've Focused on your your passions or like where you
come alive or helping people rescuingpeople and then these positions have just
kind of opened up so I was curious likewith the transition from Zoe to like in
and out For example, what were some ofthe driving factors for that decision?
And then how do you think that hasreally helped accelerate, um, your
(17:48):
leadership, your, your abilityto be creative and to impact that
you have on the world around you?
Hanne (17:52):
Yeah, the Zoe thing, it was interesting cause I so love, you
know, Zoe and love the leaders.
Um, but I just, I think it was thisthing of, I feel like I need to grow
and expand my, what I can learn.
And I felt like I had kind of come toa halt a little bit, where I had worn
(18:14):
so many different hats at ZOE and beeninvolved in so many projects, where
I was like, wait, I need to Kind ofget out and learn a little bit more,
which is funny because now I'm kind ofcommunicating a lot with Zoe and probably
likely will, you know, always somehowwork with them and always be a huge
champion of them as an organization.
(18:36):
But it was a lot of different factorson top of, uh, my husband going through
some things at the time that kindof led us to need to be out more.
From the city a little bit more.
And so, you know, we realized that weneed to be closer to nature and all of
that for healing and for different things.
And so, um, there were a lot of factorsthere, but I would say a major thing
(19:00):
definitely was that I just wanted toexpand, like, how can I keep learning?
How can I keep growing?
And, you know, in and out burgers.
Uh, multi billion dollar company and,uh, you know, they have a reach that's
unreal and so much, you know, peoplelove this company and I still like it.
(19:22):
Love this company.
And, uh, it's just has a great reputation.
And so, yeah, I just felt like it wastime to expand and learn something.
Kat (19:35):
And so tell us a little bit about that journey of your work with them,
what you, you know, you did with themand what is your biggest takeaway?
Like what was, you know, what isthe thing that you learned from them
that you feel like can really beapplied to, you know, the next season?
That's a good question.
Hanne (19:53):
So my main job was, I would say to, you know, represent the foundation.
Uh, it's called the Slayton UppingFoundation, the owner, president
of In N Out Burger, Lindsay Snyder,and her husband, Sean Ellingson,
they created this foundation.
So it's not very old.
It's about eight years old now.
(20:13):
And, you know, it was like their vision.
And so I joined them.
And I did a lot of likevetting of nonprofits.
So they would especially giveout grants around, you know, 2.
8 million is what we would give outthroughout in and out burgers marketplace.
So they're currently in 10 Statesand growing a nice standing.
(20:37):
And it was my job to travel to thedifferent States and meet with.
Anti trafficking organizations thatwere working in that marketplace
and then get them and thenrecommend funding essentially.
So it was.
That's an amazing experience.
I traveled, you know, I with Slateto Nothing, there was like the
(20:58):
anti trafficking side and thenthere was a substance abuse side.
Um, and when I first came on board, I waskind of the only person that would do the
vetting where I traveled and everything.
So I did overlap with some substanceabuse organizations, which was
amazing because I learned so much justabout that and that issue as well.
So between like the two causes, I probablydid that about a hundred or so nonprofits.
(21:23):
And so when you get to see that manynonprofits and you get to hear, like,
because of, I think, you know, the wayof how In N Out Burger has established
itself as a company, so many peoplewant to be involved with the company.
And so, you know, they.
Make sure that the founders arethere or the CEOs are there whenever
(21:43):
I would come visit and so I got tomeet so many people who just saw a
need in the community and starteda nonprofit and would tell me about
their vision and ideas and all of that.
And so.
I learned firsthand from about ahundred founders for CEOs about why
they started, how they're working,what they're doing, what's working,
(22:05):
what's not working, all those pieces.
And I know for sure, all of those lessons,it's what's kind of trailblazed me now
into what I'm doing now with a firmin New York called the Salt Exchange.
And it's essentially.
Multiple philanthropists andfoundations, and I'm hoping it
buys them on funding right now.
(22:27):
So, yeah, it's for sure.
Just kind of guided me to the path of,you know, understanding philanthropy,
understanding giving and what's importantfor donors and for philanthropists in
regards to where they want to give money.
So I, yeah, I learned so, so muchduring, during the season for sure.
Kat (22:47):
Wow.
Yeah.
You mentioned earlier humility, right?
Something that's very important.
For you, I think, and also what you thinkis one of the best leadership skills
is to, uh, values is to have humilitywith all of those 100 nonprofits that
you, you know, met the CEOs, you saidyou learned, you know, what worked,
what didn't work, why they started it,how are they operating all of that?
(23:10):
Is there one leadership?
value or skill that you feel is themost common out of all of those?
Hanne (23:19):
You know, there was such a variety of leaders that were there, but I think
the, the kind of red thread is that again,like I mentioned, they all saw a need.
That they wanted to fulfill however theycould and so many people started out
not really knowing what they're doingand some people, you know, then just was
(23:42):
like, oh, I need to go to conferences.
I need to connect with other people.
And, you know, like, I know Zoebecause they've been around for
so long, you know, 22, 23 years.
Um, I know they have mentored so manyother anti trafficking organizations
because they were kind of early andearly organization, whereas, like, I
(24:02):
would say right around, like, 2012 to,like, 2016, there were so many new anti
trafficking organizations that came out.
But by that time, Zoe had alreadybeen around for 10 years, you know,
so they were able to like pay itforward and, you know, help Stuart
and teach these other leaders.
(24:23):
Um, so I think again, yeah, it comes backto like, a desire to make a difference.
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Lack of life in people's eyes or whatnot, but has there been a
spark I guess that has helped youjust stay passionate throughout all
this because I'm just thinking like,you know, with different things that
we saw in Thailand, and in the workthat Zoe does and that people fall
out just because of the weight of theThe issues, you know, that are there.
(26:57):
What are some things that have kind ofbeen that spark to keep you, keep you
moving, you know, throughout that fight?
Hanne (27:03):
Yeah, no, that's a good question.
I get this question a lot and I think itcomes down to seeing, you know, one life
transformed, it's like, once you see.
One life going from where it wasto then having full joy and life.
And as you guys know, as Zoe, we'veseen that you see that joy coming
(27:24):
to their lives, you see healing, yousee just, you know, people that now
become valuable members of society.
And so it's continuing to seeone person at a time, right?
Cause that's the thingwith human trafficking.
You can get so overwhelmed at thestatistics and the numbers and the 50
(27:45):
million people and, you know, all thosetypes of things, but then I think it
still comes back to, oh, the one that Ihelped in that season, the one that moves
from, you know, even if it's just onestep further in their healing process.
I think, yeah, it comes back to therelationships and the one at a time.
Kat (28:09):
Yeah.
Can you share, um, a story that of atransformed life that is your favorite
that you You know, in days where it'shard for you, you hold on to that
story because it's what fires you up.
Hanne (28:24):
Yeah, you know, I actually accompanied a survivor, pretty
well known survivor in Los Angeles.
Her name is Rachel Thomas.
I accompanied her to a speakingengagement at an event in
Newport, actually like last week.
And I would say her story is onethat I heard kind of early on.
(28:45):
But just being able to have a personalrelationship with her, more like a
friendship, like a girlfriend thatyou see and have lunch with and get
to learn from her and kind of hearher heart, understand what fuels her,
and then also seeing where she's now.
I think I frequently come backto her story because she's just,
(29:11):
she's impacted thousands now.
She has a contract, aprevention contract with.
Um, the state of California, shehas her own business where she
has employed over 25 survivors.
She's reaching so many foster careyouth and just has, you know, I, she's
prevented probably hundreds of teenagersfrom going the direction that she went.
(29:36):
And, you know, fell into trafficking andshe just, yeah, she's just inspiring,
super humble, so like talented, astrategist, a leader, a spokesperson, and
yeah, just beautiful inside out person.
Kat (29:56):
Wow.
That's amazing.
That's awesome.
Lee (29:59):
I want to go back a little bit too, because you had your start with
dance performance, the creative lifethat helped get you into some of
these beginning leadership roles.
How has creativity been a tool foryou when you're moving in through,
like, I imagine like looking at alot of spreadsheets and, you know, if
doing evaluations and profit marginloss, uh, reviews and everything else.
Hanne (30:25):
All the same.
Yeah, um, I think the creator can,you know, speak to you in such a
different way from like, You know,when I would travel, I would listen
to music that would inspire me.
I would try and surround myselfwith the arts wherever I could, you
(30:46):
know, go to a show, uh, you know,go to museum, make sure I walk the
streets to, you know, appreciate thearchitecture and, you know, all of that.
And so I think the arts in generalis used to kind of speak and fuel and
refuel you and bring you new ideas and.
(31:07):
It just, it, to me, it often is used,I feel like, by God, to like reaffirm
the direction I'm going or kind ofthe season that I am, that I'm in,
uh, like throughout my whole life,there's music, especially that's
spoken to me in every, you know,great season and also like difficult
(31:31):
season, and it's just kept me through.
Those hard times, you know, it's likefuels you to keep going and inspired
you to, or inspired me to want to dobetter and to, you know, create myself.
And so, yeah, the artsis just so essential.
(31:54):
Everything.
Kat (31:55):
Yeah, I want to touch on that a little bit deeper, Hannah, because I, you
know, I love, love, love teaching piano.
And one of the reasons why I love itis because I tell the kids that, you
know, what a gift it is because music isalready a gift in and of itself, right?
But what a gift it is to not justbe able to listen to music and
connect with music that way, but toactually be able to play the music
(32:16):
that you love to listen to, right?
Like such a gift.
And so, and you know, mystudents are kids, right?
So like, yeah.
They don't understandthat right now, right?
They don't understand that, but meas an adult, when I sit on the piano
and play, I'm like, Man, like, thisis just such a, like, I still can't
believe that it's a gift, you know?
It's really, truly amazing.
Why is it so, like, as you said, foryou, music is one of those where,
(32:38):
like, it comes to you all the time.
Why music of all things?
I mean, I'm sure you're very artistic.
I know this about you.
You do so many artistic things,but you mentioned music.
So I want to tap into that.
Why music?
Hanne (32:52):
I think from a really young age, my parents really loved music and they, uh,
would encourage me to play music and to.
Listen to music.
And then once I kind of becamemy own person, you know, like
in your teenage years, you kindof break out and everything.
(33:13):
I just, I was always drawn to it.
And it spoke to me, like Isaid, in so many seasons, I
look back at like my childhood.
It's so funny because now Ihave, you know, kids on my own.
And so I think about what musicshould I introduce them to?
And, you know, what were thesongs that I listened to?
And.
As I go back and, like, listen to, like,my Norwegian cassette tapes, uh, and hear
(33:37):
the kind of messages that I was listeningto, it's so funny because it, I look
back and I'm like, oh, no wonder I feltthis way about certain things, and no
wonder I learned about God in this way.
And yeah, so I think just from areally young age, it was like infused
(33:57):
in me that music was a part of lifethat could speak and could influence.
Kat (34:04):
Yeah, I totally agree.
I think that, um, you know,you can tell a story, right?
Uh, or, or you can, you can tell someoneabout something, not in a story form,
but just, you know, outright tellthem, or you can tell them a story.
And when you tell in a storyform, it connects with them.
Because there's something aboutthe functionality of the brain
and how, you know, it's wired.
(34:26):
We love storytelling, but thenif you put story into a song, I
think that it even multiplies theconnectivity of why we remember things.
I told Lee the other day, I said,you know, the Bible verses that I
remember are the ones that I sang inSunday school, you know, and to this
day, I still sing these Bible verses.
And I'm like, why do I remember these?
I'm like, it's because it's music.
(34:48):
You know, I don't remember theones that were spoken to me.
But I remember the ones that werethat I would listen to over and
over again and sing, um, but I wantto go back into your childhood.
Sorry, babe.
It's, it's like, there's so manyquestions we want to ask you, Hannah.
Like I told Leah, I was like, Oh my gosh,this conversation, Hannah, it's going
to be hard to keep it 45 minutes andunder because there's just so many things
(35:08):
about you that I feel like I want to.
Share with our audience, you know,uh, one of that is the fact that,
you know, you were abandoned asa child and you were adopted.
And, uh, what I want to know is,you know, growing up and knowing
that you were abandoned, what weresome of the, um, limiting beliefs
(35:29):
that you had to go through, right?
And had to kind of like put a stop on howobviously you're such an amazing leader.
So how did you grow up with a growthmindset, especially in in your case where,
you know, of course, your parents whoadopted you, they're, they're amazing.
(35:49):
They raised you into thisbeautiful, amazing woman, but
still like being abandoned.
And, you know, all of that has gotto have some Sort of impact on you.
And I want to know what that was for you.
Hanne (36:01):
Yeah, I think that the hard shifts are the ones that really
define you and make you grow and Um,you know, the joy and all of that
people can relate to, but I think,you know, the hardships is what people
where people really, really connect.
And so I often, you know, getasked, like, how does that feel?
(36:25):
Like, what do you think?
Did you have an age where thatwas a really hard thing for you?
And.
It's very interesting becauseI can't remember a season that
was a very long season where Ihad a difficult time with it.
I was very fortunate to have parents thattaught me about God at a really young age.
(36:46):
And the amazing thing about arelationship with God is that, you
know, that you're created for a purpose.
If you have read the words, you knowthat you're created for a purpose
and that God has a plan for yourlife and that there is all these.
Different gifts and talents andthings that he can help spark in you.
(37:09):
And my parents were really good,like really, really good at fueling
that in me and speaking that over me.
And so I don't like, you know, how like.
Some kids, they're like, Oh, I didn'tknow I was adopted until I was like 12.
My mom told me, youknow, things like that.
And for me, it was athing that I always knew.
(37:32):
Like, I can't, I can'tremember a time not knowing.
And obviously like being in Norwayand being Asian, I can look in
the mirror and be like, okay,that's not my mom and dad, but.
It was just like a thing thatI always knew and I think, you
know, everything in your childhoodreally has an impact on you.
(37:56):
And I think because I was so fortunate, Ilike credit this back to like my friends
and the people that I were was around.
Is that they always just saw me as meand not as something super different,
you know, there, there will always bethose kids that would be like bullies
(38:16):
and say, oh, Asian yellow rice, you know,whatever things that they're going to say.
But the people who I knew reallyloved me and that were in my corner
just always had my back and always,um, you know, loved me for me.
And so I just grew up in avery, very supportive community.
(38:41):
And so I think all of that,um, really helped me be able to
be like, okay, I can do this.
I can.
You know, go for my dreams.
I know again, Godcreated me for a purpose.
There's something I can do for him.
And I think as you learn and grow andlearn about God, you realize that it's
(39:03):
about God and it's about loving people.
And so how can I do that better?
How can I, you know, and onceyou love people, truly love them.
They see it and they acknowledge itand there's fruit, you know, however
that happens in leadership or infriendship or family, you know.
Kat (39:25):
Yeah.
And it's about rice, okay?
Rice is life.
I don't know why peoplewould hate on rice, okay?
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Lee (41:28):
With the people that you impact through the work that you do and the
people that you deal with They're you knowin people just in regular life, you know,
sometimes they don't have the best support
We've seen people come throughYou different situations.
They find God, they find thatsupport, they find that peace.
But for those that maybe haven'tquite connected with either God
(41:51):
or a level of support in their owncircle, would you have any advice
in how, how to approach that?
Because you had mentioned somethingearlier where you, you know, you saw
something in somebody, you saw a qualitythat you liked, that you wanted to attach
to, and then you just went after it.
Like you just said, hey.
Um, what, what kind of advice wouldyou give to somebody who maybe Hasn't
(42:14):
found that courage, doesn't have thesupport, and maybe is like fearful of
taking that next step, what will be somethings that you might recommend for them?
Hanne (42:22):
I think, again, it's about people, and so trying to find the right people
that you see isn't just about themselves.
That is willing to invest something inyou and then, you know, there's different
things that you get from different people.
(42:43):
Some people, you get friendships, somepeople, you get business leadership,
you know, all these different things.
And so I think it's like.
Obviously, we always want to keep ourcircles a certain size because you
can't connect with everybody, but Iam a firm believer that you can learn
something from pretty much anyone.
So then wherever there's some kindof response back, or like, if you get
(43:08):
like someone that says, Oh, yeah, I'mwilling to meet with you, say yes.
Like, go an extra mile, uh, be, try andbe bold, like, like I said, so much of
it has come from me saying to someonelike, you know, Mike and Carol Hart, like,
I'm so inspired by what you're doing.
How can I learn?
And then that turned into a career forseven years, you know, um, so I think
(43:33):
it's continuing to like, look for theopen spaces where there's like some
kind of give or pull that you can, youknow, attach to, um, and then kind of
being, feeling free to flow in all that.
And.
Knowing that you're not going tolearn everything from one person,
(43:55):
but there's something new to learnfrom a bunch of different people.
But yeah, it's just anywherewhere there's some kind of.
Invitation, take the invitation, uh,if you're afraid to, you know, ask, um,
I would say, try and be around peoplethat are into whatever you're into,
you know, if you're a musician, like,try to find a community or, you know,
(44:19):
somewhere in the city where people meetand talk about music or do gatherings
and, you know, Open mics or whatever itmight be and just like be in that space
and let things kind of flow naturally.
And if there's one person thattalks to you, keep talking,
keep, keep that conversation.
So yeah, like, like looking for littlewindows in of invitation, I would say.
Lee (44:43):
Yeah.
And I think with the, the world that wehave right now, like the accessibility
to people is so huge through socialmedia, through social groups.
Discord channels.
Uh, it is true.
What you're saying is like, youknow, you have to find common ground.
And sometimes in that, that space of, ifyou're an artist, you're in with other
(45:03):
people who paint and draw and whatnot.
If you're building models, if you'rean athlete, if you're business into the
finances, the finding those, Those, thosegroupings, um, the schools of thought
and being able to just connect and buildyour confidence and then grow from there.
Um, it's a good, good point.
Hanne (45:22):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Everywhere you go, people are lookingfor someone to encourage them.
You know, doesn't matter if you'rethe most famous person in the world.
They're still looking to be approved bysomeone who could speak into their lives.
And, you know, they're still humanand looking for a connection.
(45:43):
And so it's like, how can I bless you?
How can I serve you?
You know, I love, you know, goingout with people that I know are like
billionaires and just like secretlypaying for everything, like the meal
or whatever it might be, you know,where it's like, They're so used to,
because they, everyone knows thatthey're billionaires, that they're just
used to, Oh, I'm going to pay for it.
(46:05):
You know, it's like a given typething, but it's like, so fun and
so different to go against andjust be like, Oh, no, you're not
paying, you know, I'm paying for it.
Or, you know, someone that's, everything'susually taken care of for them and they.
Express certain things, likedoing something completely
different to try and bless them.
(46:27):
Uh, you know, I think so many of myrelationships and different things had
come from just, How can I bless you?
How can I serve you?
And kind of try and outdo them in howto serve and bless, you know, people.
And I think, you know,people are looking for that.
People are drawn to that.
Kat (46:48):
Yeah.
What I feel like what I'm reallygetting here, Hannah, from you today
is where you are right now reallystarted from your childhood, right?
Like, having a goal.
Good foundation, having parentsthat loved you, right, love you and
parents and mentors that that believedin you and challenge you and how
(47:12):
important that is in a child's life.
And unfortunately, not everychild gets to have that right.
What would you say to educatorsor caregivers or parents that are
struggling with giving that kindof support to their children, like
what would your advice be to them?
Hanne (47:32):
Yeah, I think peer to peer is something so powerful and unique.
And a lot of the times there's justnot a window for a parent figure to
influence in the way that Lily has impact.
So I, I always say, like,try and find, like, is your
(47:52):
child plays the piano, right?
And then goes through a dry spellof like, I don't want to touch
the piano, but you know that theyhave, like, amazing potential.
I try and find a peer that's like,maybe, you know, five years older that
has gone through those loops and, youknow, those valleys and try and get to
(48:14):
that person to talk to your child, youknow, it's just so different coming from.
Someone that you see more as a peerand someone that can inspire you,
because unfortunately, parents willalways kind of have that parental lens
that is good and bad, you know, so Isay to parents who feel like, oh, I
(48:36):
can't influence how I want to, like,Use someone else to influence, like,
ask someone else to help inspire them.
And then, you know, so you cancultivate, as a parent, you can help
cultivate that and give room for that.
And that might be like, even needingto pay someone to do that, you know,
(48:58):
so it's like investing and also like,Driving them places, then, you know,
helping facilitate that, but I thinkthat's what I feel like I've seen the
most result is from, like, peer to peer.
That's been there and gonethrough similar things and kind
of come out the other side.
I think that would be my.
(49:19):
My best advice.
Kat (49:21):
Wow.
That is very encouraging to me, Hannah,because one of the reasons why we're
kind of bringing back the show, we hadthis back in 2020, but we're kind of
bringing it back, is for me the thoughtof exploring leadership, but how, and
growth mindset and how important itis to develop in young kids, you know,
like, like as early as, possible.
(49:41):
You know, five year olds,four year olds, right?
It's just so important.
There's a way to teach them that,and that encourages me because I do
believe that, and sometimes I have thisimposter syndrome because I'm like,
well, I'm not a mom, you know, likehow can I, you know, teach these kids?
But I have to always remind myself that,well, you're not a mom, but you also have
a different perspective and you couldstep in as a mentor, as a life coach,
(50:02):
because Kids sometimes don't want tolisten to their parents, but they will
listen to a mentor or a life coach, youknow, and so it's really encouraging
that you say that, because as kids,I don't think we realize that, that
our brains just keep talking, that ourminds just keep talking, you know, and
then we get into adults and no wonderthere's so many life coaching for adults.
(50:23):
And it's like, well, if we just coach thekids, they probably, you know, we would
still would need it because it's always,you know, an evolving process, but we, I
feel like we would be in a better mentalspace and emotional space if we actually.
You know, teach that tokids at an early age.
So that's really encouraging.
So Hannah, you have lived such an amazinglife, like, and it's just going to keep
(50:45):
going with your impact and, and whatyou do because of your heart, you love
serving people, you know, and you have thehumility to, to go and, and, and do it.
What do you.
Think it's your own definitionof a wildly wealthy life.
Hanne (51:03):
Oh, that's good.
I think it comes back to whatI talked about earlier and
loving God and loving people.
And, uh, you know, wealth issuch an interesting word to say.
It often is.
I think, you know, people think of.
More and bigger and better kind of thing.
But I think a wealthy life,it's a life that's fulfilled.
(51:26):
You feel fulfilled in what you're doing.
So it doesn't have to be, you know,making millions or having this, you
know, million impact on people orthousands of followers or whatever.
Uh, society often says wealth is.
I think it's again coming backto living out your passion and
(51:47):
feeling like you're contributing.
And I always come back to saying,like, if you can influence the life.
That's the most important thing.
Like, how can you encourage the personin front of you to see the potential
and their lives to invest in theirlife, to, um, you know, speak life into
(52:07):
them, encourage them, and then see evenfurther, maybe for them that then they
can see for themselves at the time.
Um, and I think, yeah, that's awealthier life is being able to
influence people one person at a time.
And, uh, feelings are filled.
Kat (52:28):
Yeah.
Awesome.
I love it.
So, noodles or rice?
Hanne (52:33):
Oh, noodles.
Rice noodles
is like my thing.
So, it's kind of both, becauseit's rice noodles, specifically.
I do love Japchae, which is like, Youknow, it's like a sweet potato noodle.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh my gosh.
So good.
Yes,
Kat (52:52):
so good.
Oh, well Hannah, thank you somuch for spending time with us.
We just really enjoyed talking to you.
Yeah,
Hanne (52:59):
this is fun.
It's funny, like the last, while afew people have kind of asked and
you know about like, do you wannacome and be a part of our podcast?
And I actually turned a few down and then.
When I saw you guys were focused onleadership, I was like, I really want
to make time because I think it'ssuch a intriguing thing to talk about.
(53:24):
And it's something whereI want to keep growing.
And, um, I feel like I've been in aseason of really trying to learn and
discover what is important in leadership.
So it was just.
super fun to be a part of it.
So Yeah.
Kat (53:40):
Same here.
And you shared a lot of really awesomestuff and it's really exciting.
I'm excited to share the episode.
I've been reading a lot of like the JohnMaxwell books cause he's written just so
many, you know, and every time I read achapter, I'm just like, Oh my gosh, wow.
I have so much more to learn.
You know, Have youread, uh, Covey's books?
(54:05):
I haven't read, uh, The SevenHabits of Highly Effective People.
I read that a long time ago, but it's beena long time and I feel like, you know,
when you read a book at different seasonsin your life, you learn something new.
So I haven't read any of hisbooks lately or even some of
his old books lately, but yeah.
Hanne (54:24):
I highly recommend, he has one called Trust and Inspire.
It came out in 2022.
And it just, to me, it felt like itreaffirmed so much of like what I talked
about with Carol and Zoe and like.
The inspirational leadership to inspiresomeone to move into leadership and to
(54:46):
inspire someone and pull out the giftingsin, in them and, you know, all of that.
So highly recommend that one.
Kat (54:54):
Thank you.
I
Hanne (54:55):
will put,
Kat (54:56):
I will add that to my book list.
Awesome.
Well, thank you, Hana.
I appreciate you.
Yeah.
Love you guys.
They love you too.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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And we'll catch you on the next one.
I get this question a lot and I think it comes down to seeing,
you know, one life transformed.
It's like once you see one life goingfrom where it was to then having
full joy and life and as you guysknow, at Zoe's, we've seen that you
see that joy coming to their lives.
(00:20):
You see healing, you see just,you know, people that now become
valuable members of society.
And so it's continuing to see.
One person at a time, right?
Because that's the thingwith human trafficking.
It's like, you can get so overwhelmedat the statistics and the numbers
and the 50 million people and, youknow, all of those types of things.
(00:43):
But then, I think it still comesback to, oh, the one that I helped in
that season, the one that moved from,you know, even if it's just one step
further in their healing process.
Um, I think, yeah, it comes back to therelationships and the one at a time.
Kat (01:10):
Today's guest is Hannah Fellers.
Hannah is an amazing friendof ours, um, who we have been
so inspired by over the years.
Uh, she's Korean Norwegian.
She has traveled to over 25countries through Impact World Tour.
And when she was, In her travels, shereally got exposed to the exploitation
in children and that really impacted herand changed the trajectory of what she
(01:34):
was going to do for the rest of her life.
She has been working with organizationsthat really help fight human trafficking.
She has her own nonprofitcalled Passport to Freedom.
And she also worked with AbolishSlavery and Zoe International, and
she also helped to shape In N Out'sinitiatives to fight trafficking with
their Slave to Nothing Foundation.
(01:54):
She is an incredible powerhousewoman, a mom to two young boys,
and she loves the arts, sheloves storytelling, and strategy.
So, I'm sure you're not goingto want to miss this episode.
Make sure you stay tuned.
Hey, my name is Kat.
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in a moment.
We're bringing Hana in and beforethat we'll do a quick recap, babe
How was your episode with Hana today?
Lee (03:01):
Hannah is an amazing woman.
She has a strong love for other people,and I think her upbringing really
helps kind of set the stage for her.
And you can really see how things fromyour past really are carried through your
entire life, and Will positively affectyou as you adapt and grow from them.
Kat (03:23):
Yeah, absolutely.
I think the main takeaway for me fromthe interview with Hana is how everything
she has done, um, growing up and all thesuccess that she's done in her work and
the impact that she's made on so manypeople around her and everything that
she will continue to do as a leader hasreally been founded on a strong foundation
(03:43):
as a child because she was so supported.
She had this background of, youknow, being abandoned by her
biological parents and got adopted.
But yet she had this very strongfoundation of love and support.
And I think that is why it's so important.
It's so important for us as eithercaregivers, educators, or parents to
raise kids with such a strong foundationin their identity and in their mindset.
(04:07):
So you're going to want to keep listeningto this episode all the way to the end.
Let's go ahead and bring Hana in.
So Hana, when I think aboutyou, I think of someone who has
really amazing leadership skills.
(04:29):
And the reason why I say that is becauseI think that There's a huge difference
between someone who's an entrepreneurversus someone who's a leader, and I
think that a leader is actually reallysomeone who can sign on people into
their vision and be able to, you know,kind of sacrifice parts of themselves
to be able to support someone's vision.
(04:51):
And so when I look at you and whatyou've done, you had this vision
of, uh, for Passport to Freedom.
And for putting together like a centerin Brazil, and it took you, you know,
years right to put all of this together.
But I've seen you over the years,never waver in that vision.
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I've seen you put together eventsafter events to raise that funds
to, you know, actually cometo fruition with this vision.
And not everybody can do that, you know,and that's the thing you put it out there.
And you had a way of making people believein your vision and sign up with you to
make that vision actually come to pass.
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So I think it's incredible.
And what I want to ask is, how did youkind of like learn how to become a leader?
Like, what is some of your most favoriteleadership values that you feel you really
hold on to and what made you learn that?
Hanne (05:48):
I have some
Kat (05:49):
very
Hanne (05:50):
good.
Role models.
I think that's, uh, themain thing at an early age.
I had, you know, good leaders aroundme, people who, you know, were
encouraging, wanted to love on meand wanted to see how they could come
around me to bring out the best in me.
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And I think that's whatmakes a really good leader.
Is loving someone and seeing even likefurther than that, they, then they
can see for themselves, see potentialand call out that potential and give
resources and places to where they cankind of practice and use those giftings.
(06:32):
Right?
And so, yeah, I just grew up with alot of really great leaders around
me at a young age, as a teenager,had a really great leader around me.
And, uh, when I started travelingwith Impact World Tour, that I
traveled with seven years, thefounder, his name is Bill Lannerman.
He is just one of the most amazingpeople that is hardworking,
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passionate, and just really knowshow to pull out people's giftings.
And so, yeah, just reallygood people around me.
I think that's the main thing.
Lee (07:04):
When we talk about leadership, um, there's usually different experiences
that kind of get us into thatmentality, get us into that position.
What were some of your firstexperiences with leadership?
Hanne (07:15):
I started.
Kind of like a creative artsslash dance program at my church.
I think I was 14 or 15 and it was justone of those things where it was like in
Norway where I'm from, they just didn'treally accept dance as a part of like
church or faith or, you know, and so.
(07:37):
My youth pastor leader at the time, hejust was like, well, I think that the
Bible talks about dance and I think that,you know, God intended for dance to be
a part of the church and you love it.
And.
You know, you know how to use this tospread a message and to bless others.
(07:57):
So why don't you do that at our church?
And just gave me the spaceinvested in getting like dance
mirrors, uh, for the church.
And then, yeah, that's kind ofhow I first started leading.
So it was pretty, pretty,uh, when I started to lead.
Kat (08:14):
What were some of the obstacles that you remember at that time
that you had to kind of overcome?
Hanne (08:20):
A lot of it was that.
There wasn't a lot of people around methat had gone before me within this yet.
Um, not in where I was from.
So I had to look to other places.
Yeah.
So it was like finding the musiceven, you know, like Christian music
or whatever it was, it was like.
(08:40):
That was always a challenge, findingthe right music, finding people that
can inspire you to create, you know,new dances and then knowing how to lead.
But I was pretty fortunate because Imet this, uh, young leader that was
in the capital of Norway that alsoreally believes in me and invested in
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me and kind of helped me figure it out.
So.
Even though it was challenging,um, I still had great role models.
And I think that comes back tomy first point of leadership.
It's like, I believe in being a leaderthat can pull out the best in someone.
And inspire them, right?
(09:22):
Not just, you know, say,this is what you need to do.
It's more like, how do I inspire you todo something new that I haven't even done?
That I think that you could do, you know?
Kat (09:35):
Because that's been your experience.
Like people showing you that,hey, you can do, you can do this.
You probably don't know ityet, but you can do this.
And so that's why you lead that waybecause that's been your experience.
For sure.
Yeah.
Amazing.
And how does creativity kind ofcontribute to your leadership
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skills and how you lead people?
Hanne (09:59):
Yeah.
So I think when you think of creatingin general and creative people,
I think they're the people whobasically run the world and you know,
they're the ones who come up with,you know, what's the next trend?
What's the next thing?
The creatives and unfortunately in, Iguess I've learned this more so in America
(10:23):
and, you know, other places too, butoften the arts are the ones that are,
you know, Oh, we need to cut the budget.
Let's cut the art piece or thecreatives or whatever it is, you
know, but then I think our societyis now changing into wait a minute.
The creatives are the ones whoset the trends and the lead.
(10:43):
And so, you know, when you thinkabout it, that's how it's been in
history, but it's starting, I think,to be more acknowledged now, how the
creatives are the ones who set kindof the next thing for, for society.
And so, yeah, being creative and, youknow, The arts, I think is so important
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in any, uh, leadership skills and how youlearn how to create new things, right?
Cause if not, you're just doing thesame old shmable and people are like,
okay, I seen that in there, done that.
And I know, I know there's the versethat talks about, there's nothing new
under the sun, but at the same time, I'mlike, God created us creative people.
(11:29):
Yeah.
And so I think that in every person,there's something creative, and
it's about learning how to pull outthose creative, you know, ideas.
And
Kat (11:40):
that was a creative word, shmammal.
I've never heard that before.
Same shmammal.
You're just gonna keepdoing the same shmammal.
Lee (11:48):
When we are looking at you, you know, there's excellence, there's consistency,
there's like a grace that you have.
You're For people, for the projectsand whatnot that you're working on when
you're working with different, differentcompanies, different organizations
and whatnot, what do you feel are someof the qualities or characteristics
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that can help somebody step intosome of those leadership positions?
Hanne (12:13):
I think the most important piece is humility and just being
able to show that sometimes you'rewrong and sometimes things fail.
But then it's how you rise, it'show you move on, that really shows
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your character and who you are.
And so I think that's a reallyimportant trait in leadership is
being able to be humble and, youknow, admit when you're wrong.
And then also, I think it'sabout having a servant posture.
I've been so fortunate to bearound very many leaders who
just model that so greatly.
(12:55):
I was the You know, an organizationcalled Zoe that you guys know
really well for seven years.
And Mike and Carol Hartare just those people.
They just show humility and they serve.
And so it inspires you to want to be likethem and to, you know, outdo them in how
you serve and how you, uh, are humble andjust, you know, give joy to God, God, give
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glory where honor and where praise is due.
Uh, And they're doing amazing work, butthey're constantly pointing at other
people to say, Oh, these people do that.
And, you know, these are the peoplethat's doing the important work.
And it just shows that humility, youknow, and it's not forced or feels fake.
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It's like genuine humility.
And so I think that's whathas inspired me the most.
Lee (13:50):
You mentioned a couple times just finding different leaders,
different mentors and whatnot.
Is there an approach that youhave to seeking these people out?
Is it just how you carry yourself?
Do you feel like it's Just analignment where God has put you
to, to be under these people.
Kat (14:04):
Yeah.
Cause I think about it too, Hannah.
It's like, like, you really do havelike people who it's almost like you're
always under great, like you're alwaysin great relationship with people, like
there's gotta be, it's almost like,it's like, how did that just come about?
Like, is it, you know, like you justmeet like the most amazing people all
the time and it's just incredible.
Hanne (14:27):
Yeah, it's totally, I would say again, it's totally God.
But at the same time, I think it's aboutonce you meet someone that shows you those
characteristics, like, you know, humilityand leadership and all those things and.
So to me, it's just about beingauthentic with those people.
And like some people, I justdid straight up, like, Hey,
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would you spend time with me?
Can I learn from you?
You know, and then that kind ofhas snowballed into maybe, you
know, work or different things.
And so even with Zoe too, it wasjust like, you know, we went on a
mission trip and then I was like,Oh my gosh, I see the fruits.
I see, you know, the results.
I see everything that's going on here.
(15:11):
Truly.
The favor of God isupon this organization.
How can I serve?
How can I learn how, how you're doing it?
Why are you doing it?
And all those pieces.
And so I think I just kind of had thatspirit of being like, how do I learn?
How do I, how can I grow?
How can I help you?
(15:31):
Um, and I think that comes back toleadership skills of being like,
it's not about yourself, it'sabout building someone else up.
Yeah.
And then all the other things kind ofsnowball and happen, you know, it's
taking the focus off of yourself andtrying to help someone else, you know?
Yeah.
Kat (15:49):
Yeah.
When it comes to your heart forhelping, uh, you know, kids, youth,
or anyone that's being, you know,trafficked, where did that desire
to help, uh, come from in, in thatspecific, you know, um, group of people?
Hanne (16:10):
It was something, you know, like, I think some, some people are
born with like, a justice in them.
Um, but I think there's different piecesthat kind of happen that obviously
led me to kind of focus on that.
Um, I just remember being a youngkid and always being like, you're
not going to bully my friend.
And, you know, just alwayswas about like, what's right.
(16:32):
How do you treat otherpeople kind of thing.
And then, you know, once I learnedand saw, I witnessed, you know,
prostitution essentially in Amsterdam,but then saw and looked into these
women that were working their eyesand just saw the emptiness in them.
And then started learning more abouthuman rights and then, you know,
(16:54):
witnessed it in Brazil and then witnessedit in Thailand and other places.
It's just one of those things Isay, like, you can't unsee it.
You can't know about it.
And I think the injustice and how juststraight up wrong it is, is what, you
know, fueled this like spark in me,um, to want to do something about it.
(17:18):
And then, yeah, it kind of.
Just naturally failed into a careerand you know what I'm doing now and
Lee (17:27):
what's nice is that you've Focused on your your passions or like where you
come alive or helping people rescuingpeople and then these positions have just
kind of opened up so I was curious likewith the transition from Zoe to like in
and out For example, what were some ofthe driving factors for that decision?
And then how do you think that hasreally helped accelerate, um, your
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leadership, your, your abilityto be creative and to impact that
you have on the world around you?
Hanne (17:52):
Yeah, the Zoe thing, it was interesting cause I so love, you
know, Zoe and love the leaders.
Um, but I just, I think it was thisthing of, I feel like I need to grow
and expand my, what I can learn.
And I felt like I had kind of come toa halt a little bit, where I had worn
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so many different hats at ZOE and beeninvolved in so many projects, where
I was like, wait, I need to Kind ofget out and learn a little bit more,
which is funny because now I'm kind ofcommunicating a lot with Zoe and probably
likely will, you know, always somehowwork with them and always be a huge
champion of them as an organization.
(18:36):
But it was a lot of different factorson top of, uh, my husband going through
some things at the time that kindof led us to need to be out more.
From the city a little bit more.
And so, you know, we realized that weneed to be closer to nature and all of
that for healing and for different things.
And so, um, there were a lot of factorsthere, but I would say a major thing
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definitely was that I just wanted toexpand, like, how can I keep learning?
How can I keep growing?
And, you know, in and out burgers.
Uh, multi billion dollar company and,uh, you know, they have a reach that's
unreal and so much, you know, peoplelove this company and I still like it.
(19:22):
Love this company.
And, uh, it's just has a great reputation.
And so, yeah, I just felt like it wastime to expand and learn something.
Kat (19:35):
And so tell us a little bit about that journey of your work with them,
what you, you know, you did with themand what is your biggest takeaway?
Like what was, you know, what isthe thing that you learned from them
that you feel like can really beapplied to, you know, the next season?
That's a good question.
Hanne (19:53):
So my main job was, I would say to, you know, represent the foundation.
Uh, it's called the Slayton UppingFoundation, the owner, president
of In N Out Burger, Lindsay Snyder,and her husband, Sean Ellingson,
they created this foundation.
So it's not very old.
It's about eight years old now.
(20:13):
And, you know, it was like their vision.
And so I joined them.
And I did a lot of likevetting of nonprofits.
So they would especially giveout grants around, you know, 2.
8 million is what we would give outthroughout in and out burgers marketplace.
So they're currently in 10 Statesand growing a nice standing.
(20:37):
And it was my job to travel to thedifferent States and meet with.
Anti trafficking organizations thatwere working in that marketplace
and then get them and thenrecommend funding essentially.
So it was.
That's an amazing experience.
I traveled, you know, I with Slateto Nothing, there was like the
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anti trafficking side and thenthere was a substance abuse side.
Um, and when I first came on board, I waskind of the only person that would do the
vetting where I traveled and everything.
So I did overlap with some substanceabuse organizations, which was
amazing because I learned so much justabout that and that issue as well.
So between like the two causes, I probablydid that about a hundred or so nonprofits.
(21:23):
And so when you get to see that manynonprofits and you get to hear, like,
because of, I think, you know, the wayof how In N Out Burger has established
itself as a company, so many peoplewant to be involved with the company.
And so, you know, they.
Make sure that the founders arethere or the CEOs are there whenever
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I would come visit and so I got tomeet so many people who just saw a
need in the community and starteda nonprofit and would tell me about
their vision and ideas and all of that.
And so.
I learned firsthand from about ahundred founders for CEOs about why
they started, how they're working,what they're doing, what's working,
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what's not working, all those pieces.
And I know for sure, all of those lessons,it's what's kind of trailblazed me now
into what I'm doing now with a firmin New York called the Salt Exchange.
And it's essentially.
Multiple philanthropists andfoundations, and I'm hoping it
buys them on funding right now.
(22:27):
So, yeah, it's for sure.
Just kind of guided me to the path of,you know, understanding philanthropy,
understanding giving and what's importantfor donors and for philanthropists in
regards to where they want to give money.
So I, yeah, I learned so, so muchduring, during the season for sure.
Kat (22:47):
Wow.
Yeah.
You mentioned earlier humility, right?
Something that's very important.
For you, I think, and also what you thinkis one of the best leadership skills
is to, uh, values is to have humilitywith all of those 100 nonprofits that
you, you know, met the CEOs, you saidyou learned, you know, what worked,
what didn't work, why they started it,how are they operating all of that?
(23:10):
Is there one leadership?
value or skill that you feel is themost common out of all of those?
Hanne (23:19):
You know, there was such a variety of leaders that were there, but I think
the, the kind of red thread is that again,like I mentioned, they all saw a need.
That they wanted to fulfill however theycould and so many people started out
not really knowing what they're doingand some people, you know, then just was
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like, oh, I need to go to conferences.
I need to connect with other people.
And, you know, like, I know Zoebecause they've been around for
so long, you know, 22, 23 years.
Um, I know they have mentored so manyother anti trafficking organizations
because they were kind of early andearly organization, whereas, like, I
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would say right around, like, 2012 to,like, 2016, there were so many new anti
trafficking organizations that came out.
But by that time, Zoe had alreadybeen around for 10 years, you know,
so they were able to like pay itforward and, you know, help Stuart
and teach these other leaders.
(24:23):
Um, so I think again, yeah, it comes backto like, a desire to make a difference.
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Lack of life in people's eyes or whatnot, but has there been a
spark I guess that has helped youjust stay passionate throughout all
this because I'm just thinking like,you know, with different things that
we saw in Thailand, and in the workthat Zoe does and that people fall
out just because of the weight of theThe issues, you know, that are there.
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What are some things that have kind ofbeen that spark to keep you, keep you
moving, you know, throughout that fight?
Hanne (27:03):
Yeah, no, that's a good question.
I get this question a lot and I think itcomes down to seeing, you know, one life
transformed, it's like, once you see.
One life going from where it wasto then having full joy and life.
And as you guys know, as Zoe, we'veseen that you see that joy coming
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to their lives, you see healing, yousee just, you know, people that now
become valuable members of society.
And so it's continuing to seeone person at a time, right?
Cause that's the thingwith human trafficking.
You can get so overwhelmed at thestatistics and the numbers and the 50
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million people and, you know, all thosetypes of things, but then I think it
still comes back to, oh, the one that Ihelped in that season, the one that moves
from, you know, even if it's just onestep further in their healing process.
I think, yeah, it comes back to therelationships and the one at a time.
Kat (28:09):
Yeah.
Can you share, um, a story that of atransformed life that is your favorite
that you You know, in days where it'shard for you, you hold on to that
story because it's what fires you up.
Hanne (28:24):
Yeah, you know, I actually accompanied a survivor, pretty
well known survivor in Los Angeles.
Her name is Rachel Thomas.
I accompanied her to a speakingengagement at an event in
Newport, actually like last week.
And I would say her story is onethat I heard kind of early on.
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But just being able to have a personalrelationship with her, more like a
friendship, like a girlfriend thatyou see and have lunch with and get
to learn from her and kind of hearher heart, understand what fuels her,
and then also seeing where she's now.
I think I frequently come backto her story because she's just,
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she's impacted thousands now.
She has a contract, aprevention contract with.
Um, the state of California, shehas her own business where she
has employed over 25 survivors.
She's reaching so many foster careyouth and just has, you know, I, she's
prevented probably hundreds of teenagersfrom going the direction that she went.
(29:36):
And, you know, fell into trafficking andshe just, yeah, she's just inspiring,
super humble, so like talented, astrategist, a leader, a spokesperson, and
yeah, just beautiful inside out person.
Kat (29:56):
Wow.
That's amazing.
That's awesome.
Lee (29:59):
I want to go back a little bit too, because you had your start with
dance performance, the creative lifethat helped get you into some of
these beginning leadership roles.
How has creativity been a tool foryou when you're moving in through,
like, I imagine like looking at alot of spreadsheets and, you know, if
doing evaluations and profit marginloss, uh, reviews and everything else.
Hanne (30:25):
All the same.
Yeah, um, I think the creator can,you know, speak to you in such a
different way from like, You know,when I would travel, I would listen
to music that would inspire me.
I would try and surround myselfwith the arts wherever I could, you
(30:46):
know, go to a show, uh, you know,go to museum, make sure I walk the
streets to, you know, appreciate thearchitecture and, you know, all of that.
And so I think the arts in generalis used to kind of speak and fuel and
refuel you and bring you new ideas and.
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It just, it, to me, it often is used,I feel like, by God, to like reaffirm
the direction I'm going or kind ofthe season that I am, that I'm in,
uh, like throughout my whole life,there's music, especially that's
spoken to me in every, you know,great season and also like difficult
(31:31):
season, and it's just kept me through.
Those hard times, you know, it's likefuels you to keep going and inspired
you to, or inspired me to want to dobetter and to, you know, create myself.
And so, yeah, the artsis just so essential.
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Everything.
Kat (31:55):
Yeah, I want to touch on that a little bit deeper, Hannah, because I, you
know, I love, love, love teaching piano.
And one of the reasons why I love itis because I tell the kids that, you
know, what a gift it is because music isalready a gift in and of itself, right?
But what a gift it is to not justbe able to listen to music and
connect with music that way, but toactually be able to play the music
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that you love to listen to, right?
Like such a gift.
And so, and you know, mystudents are kids, right?
So like, yeah.
They don't understandthat right now, right?
They don't understand that, but meas an adult, when I sit on the piano
and play, I'm like, Man, like, thisis just such a, like, I still can't
believe that it's a gift, you know?
It's really, truly amazing.
Why is it so, like, as you said, foryou, music is one of those where,
(32:38):
like, it comes to you all the time.
Why music of all things?
I mean, I'm sure you're very artistic.
I know this about you.
You do so many artistic things,but you mentioned music.
So I want to tap into that.
Why music?
Hanne (32:52):
I think from a really young age, my parents really loved music and they, uh,
would encourage me to play music and to.
Listen to music.
And then once I kind of becamemy own person, you know, like
in your teenage years, you kindof break out and everything.
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I just, I was always drawn to it.
And it spoke to me, like Isaid, in so many seasons, I
look back at like my childhood.
It's so funny because now Ihave, you know, kids on my own.
And so I think about what musicshould I introduce them to?
And, you know, what were thesongs that I listened to?
And.
As I go back and, like, listen to, like,my Norwegian cassette tapes, uh, and hear
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the kind of messages that I was listeningto, it's so funny because it, I look
back and I'm like, oh, no wonder I feltthis way about certain things, and no
wonder I learned about God in this way.
And yeah, so I think just from areally young age, it was like infused
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in me that music was a part of lifethat could speak and could influence.
Kat (34:04):
Yeah, I totally agree.
I think that, um, you know,you can tell a story, right?
Uh, or, or you can, you can tell someoneabout something, not in a story form,
but just, you know, outright tellthem, or you can tell them a story.
And when you tell in a storyform, it connects with them.
Because there's something aboutthe functionality of the brain
and how, you know, it's wired.
(34:26):
We love storytelling, but thenif you put story into a song, I
think that it even multiplies theconnectivity of why we remember things.
I told Lee the other day, I said,you know, the Bible verses that I
remember are the ones that I sang inSunday school, you know, and to this
day, I still sing these Bible verses.
And I'm like, why do I remember these?
I'm like, it's because it's music.
(34:48):
You know, I don't remember theones that were spoken to me.
But I remember the ones that werethat I would listen to over and
over again and sing, um, but I wantto go back into your childhood.
Sorry, babe.
It's, it's like, there's so manyquestions we want to ask you, Hannah.
Like I told Leah, I was like, Oh my gosh,this conversation, Hannah, it's going
to be hard to keep it 45 minutes andunder because there's just so many things
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about you that I feel like I want to.
Share with our audience, you know,uh, one of that is the fact that,
you know, you were abandoned asa child and you were adopted.
And, uh, what I want to know is,you know, growing up and knowing
that you were abandoned, what weresome of the, um, limiting beliefs
(35:29):
that you had to go through, right?
And had to kind of like put a stop on howobviously you're such an amazing leader.
So how did you grow up with a growthmindset, especially in in your case where,
you know, of course, your parents whoadopted you, they're, they're amazing.
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They raised you into thisbeautiful, amazing woman, but
still like being abandoned.
And, you know, all of that has gotto have some Sort of impact on you.
And I want to know what that was for you.
Hanne (36:01):
Yeah, I think that the hard shifts are the ones that really
define you and make you grow and Um,you know, the joy and all of that
people can relate to, but I think,you know, the hardships is what people
where people really, really connect.
And so I often, you know, getasked, like, how does that feel?
(36:25):
Like, what do you think?
Did you have an age where thatwas a really hard thing for you?
And.
It's very interesting becauseI can't remember a season that
was a very long season where Ihad a difficult time with it.
I was very fortunate to have parents thattaught me about God at a really young age.
(36:46):
And the amazing thing about arelationship with God is that, you
know, that you're created for a purpose.
If you have read the words, you knowthat you're created for a purpose
and that God has a plan for yourlife and that there is all these.
Different gifts and talents andthings that he can help spark in you.
(37:09):
And my parents were really good,like really, really good at fueling
that in me and speaking that over me.
And so I don't like, you know, how like.
Some kids, they're like, Oh, I didn'tknow I was adopted until I was like 12.
My mom told me, youknow, things like that.
And for me, it was athing that I always knew.
(37:32):
Like, I can't, I can'tremember a time not knowing.
And obviously like being in Norwayand being Asian, I can look in
the mirror and be like, okay,that's not my mom and dad, but.
It was just like a thing thatI always knew and I think, you
know, everything in your childhoodreally has an impact on you.
(37:56):
And I think because I was so fortunate, Ilike credit this back to like my friends
and the people that I were was around.
Is that they always just saw me as meand not as something super different,
you know, there, there will always bethose kids that would be like bullies
(38:16):
and say, oh, Asian yellow rice, you know,whatever things that they're going to say.
But the people who I knew reallyloved me and that were in my corner
just always had my back and always,um, you know, loved me for me.
And so I just grew up in avery, very supportive community.
(38:41):
And so I think all of that,um, really helped me be able to
be like, okay, I can do this.
I can.
You know, go for my dreams.
I know again, Godcreated me for a purpose.
There's something I can do for him.
And I think as you learn and grow andlearn about God, you realize that it's
(39:03):
about God and it's about loving people.
And so how can I do that better?
How can I, you know, and onceyou love people, truly love them.
They see it and they acknowledge itand there's fruit, you know, however
that happens in leadership or infriendship or family, you know.
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And it's about rice, okay?
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Lee (41:28):
With the people that you impact through the work that you do and the
people that you deal with They're you knowin people just in regular life, you know,
sometimes they don't have the best support
We've seen people come throughYou different situations.
They find God, they find thatsupport, they find that peace.
But for those that maybe haven'tquite connected with either God
(41:51):
or a level of support in their owncircle, would you have any advice
in how, how to approach that?
Because you had mentioned somethingearlier where you, you know, you saw
something in somebody, you saw a qualitythat you liked, that you wanted to attach
to, and then you just went after it.
Like you just said, hey.
Um, what, what kind of advice wouldyou give to somebody who maybe Hasn't
(42:14):
found that courage, doesn't have thesupport, and maybe is like fearful of
taking that next step, what will be somethings that you might recommend for them?
Hanne (42:22):
I think, again, it's about people, and so trying to find the right people
that you see isn't just about themselves.
That is willing to invest something inyou and then, you know, there's different
things that you get from different people.
(42:43):
Some people, you get friendships, somepeople, you get business leadership,
you know, all these different things.
And so I think it's like.
Obviously, we always want to keep ourcircles a certain size because you
can't connect with everybody, but Iam a firm believer that you can learn
something from pretty much anyone.
So then wherever there's some kindof response back, or like, if you get
(43:08):
like someone that says, Oh, yeah, I'mwilling to meet with you, say yes.
Like, go an extra mile, uh, be, try andbe bold, like, like I said, so much of
it has come from me saying to someonelike, you know, Mike and Carol Hart, like,
I'm so inspired by what you're doing.
How can I learn?
And then that turned into a career forseven years, you know, um, so I think
(43:33):
it's continuing to like, look for theopen spaces where there's like some
kind of give or pull that you can, youknow, attach to, um, and then kind of
being, feeling free to flow in all that.
And.
Knowing that you're not going tolearn everything from one person,
(43:55):
but there's something new to learnfrom a bunch of different people.
But yeah, it's just anywherewhere there's some kind of.
Invitation, take the invitation, uh,if you're afraid to, you know, ask, um,
I would say, try and be around peoplethat are into whatever you're into,
you know, if you're a musician, like,try to find a community or, you know,
(44:19):
somewhere in the city where people meetand talk about music or do gatherings
and, you know, Open mics or whatever itmight be and just like be in that space
and let things kind of flow naturally.
And if there's one person thattalks to you, keep talking,
keep, keep that conversation.
So yeah, like, like looking for littlewindows in of invitation, I would say.
Lee (44:43):
Yeah.
And I think with the, the world that wehave right now, like the accessibility
to people is so huge through socialmedia, through social groups.
Discord channels.
Uh, it is true.
What you're saying is like, youknow, you have to find common ground.
And sometimes in that, that space of, ifyou're an artist, you're in with other
(45:03):
people who paint and draw and whatnot.
If you're building models, if you'rean athlete, if you're business into the
finances, the finding those, Those, thosegroupings, um, the schools of thought
and being able to just connect and buildyour confidence and then grow from there.
Um, it's a good, good point.
Hanne (45:22):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Everywhere you go, people are lookingfor someone to encourage them.
You know, doesn't matter if you'rethe most famous person in the world.
They're still looking to be approved bysomeone who could speak into their lives.
And, you know, they're still humanand looking for a connection.
(45:43):
And so it's like, how can I bless you?
How can I serve you?
You know, I love, you know, goingout with people that I know are like
billionaires and just like secretlypaying for everything, like the meal
or whatever it might be, you know,where it's like, They're so used to,
because they, everyone knows thatthey're billionaires, that they're just
used to, Oh, I'm going to pay for it.
(46:05):
You know, it's like a given typething, but it's like, so fun and
so different to go against andjust be like, Oh, no, you're not
paying, you know, I'm paying for it.
Or, you know, someone that's, everything'susually taken care of for them and they.
Express certain things, likedoing something completely
different to try and bless them.
(46:27):
Uh, you know, I think so many of myrelationships and different things had
come from just, How can I bless you?
How can I serve you?
And kind of try and outdo them in howto serve and bless, you know, people.
And I think, you know,people are looking for that.
People are drawn to that.
Kat (46:48):
Yeah.
What I feel like what I'm reallygetting here, Hannah, from you today
is where you are right now reallystarted from your childhood, right?
Like, having a goal.
Good foundation, having parentsthat loved you, right, love you and
parents and mentors that that believedin you and challenge you and how
(47:12):
important that is in a child's life.
And unfortunately, not everychild gets to have that right.
What would you say to educatorsor caregivers or parents that are
struggling with giving that kindof support to their children, like
what would your advice be to them?
Hanne (47:32):
Yeah, I think peer to peer is something so powerful and unique.
And a lot of the times there's justnot a window for a parent figure to
influence in the way that Lily has impact.
So I, I always say, like,try and find, like, is your
(47:52):
child plays the piano, right?
And then goes through a dry spellof like, I don't want to touch
the piano, but you know that theyhave, like, amazing potential.
I try and find a peer that's like,maybe, you know, five years older that
has gone through those loops and, youknow, those valleys and try and get to
(48:14):
that person to talk to your child, youknow, it's just so different coming from.
Someone that you see more as a peerand someone that can inspire you,
because unfortunately, parents willalways kind of have that parental lens
that is good and bad, you know, so Isay to parents who feel like, oh, I
(48:36):
can't influence how I want to, like,Use someone else to influence, like,
ask someone else to help inspire them.
And then, you know, so you cancultivate, as a parent, you can help
cultivate that and give room for that.
And that might be like, even needingto pay someone to do that, you know,
(48:58):
so it's like investing and also like,Driving them places, then, you know,
helping facilitate that, but I thinkthat's what I feel like I've seen the
most result is from, like, peer to peer.
That's been there and gonethrough similar things and kind
of come out the other side.
I think that would be my.
(49:19):
My best advice.
Kat (49:21):
Wow.
That is very encouraging to me, Hannah,because one of the reasons why we're
kind of bringing back the show, we hadthis back in 2020, but we're kind of
bringing it back, is for me the thoughtof exploring leadership, but how, and
growth mindset and how important itis to develop in young kids, you know,
like, like as early as, possible.
(49:41):
You know, five year olds,four year olds, right?
It's just so important.
There's a way to teach them that,and that encourages me because I do
believe that, and sometimes I have thisimposter syndrome because I'm like,
well, I'm not a mom, you know, likehow can I, you know, teach these kids?
But I have to always remind myself that,well, you're not a mom, but you also have
a different perspective and you couldstep in as a mentor, as a life coach,
(50:02):
because Kids sometimes don't want tolisten to their parents, but they will
listen to a mentor or a life coach, youknow, and so it's really encouraging
that you say that, because as kids,I don't think we realize that, that
our brains just keep talking, that ourminds just keep talking, you know, and
then we get into adults and no wonderthere's so many life coaching for adults.
(50:23):
And it's like, well, if we just coach thekids, they probably, you know, we would
still would need it because it's always,you know, an evolving process, but we, I
feel like we would be in a better mentalspace and emotional space if we actually.
You know, teach that tokids at an early age.
So that's really encouraging.
So Hannah, you have lived such an amazinglife, like, and it's just going to keep
(50:45):
going with your impact and, and whatyou do because of your heart, you love
serving people, you know, and you have thehumility to, to go and, and, and do it.
What do you.
Think it's your own definitionof a wildly wealthy life.
Hanne (51:03):
Oh, that's good.
I think it comes back to whatI talked about earlier and
loving God and loving people.
And, uh, you know, wealth issuch an interesting word to say.
It often is.
I think, you know, people think of.
More and bigger and better kind of thing.
But I think a wealthy life,it's a life that's fulfilled.
(51:26):
You feel fulfilled in what you're doing.
So it doesn't have to be, you know,making millions or having this, you
know, million impact on people orthousands of followers or whatever.
Uh, society often says wealth is.
I think it's again coming backto living out your passion and
(51:47):
feeling like you're contributing.
And I always come back to saying,like, if you can influence the life.
That's the most important thing.
Like, how can you encourage the personin front of you to see the potential
and their lives to invest in theirlife, to, um, you know, speak life into
(52:07):
them, encourage them, and then see evenfurther, maybe for them that then they
can see for themselves at the time.
Um, and I think, yeah, that's awealthier life is being able to
influence people one person at a time.
And, uh, feelings are filled.
Kat (52:28):
Yeah.
Awesome.
I love it.
So, noodles or rice?
Hanne (52:33):
Oh, noodles.
Rice noodles
is like my thing.
So, it's kind of both, becauseit's rice noodles, specifically.
I do love Japchae, which is like, Youknow, it's like a sweet potato noodle.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh my gosh.
So good.
Yes,
Kat (52:52):
so good.
Oh, well Hannah, thank you somuch for spending time with us.
We just really enjoyed talking to you.
Yeah,
Hanne (52:59):
this is fun.
It's funny, like the last, while afew people have kind of asked and
you know about like, do you wannacome and be a part of our podcast?
And I actually turned a few down and then.
When I saw you guys were focused onleadership, I was like, I really want
to make time because I think it'ssuch a intriguing thing to talk about.
(53:24):
And it's something whereI want to keep growing.
And, um, I feel like I've been in aseason of really trying to learn and
discover what is important in leadership.
So it was just.
super fun to be a part of it.
So Yeah.
Kat (53:40):
Same here.
And you shared a lot of really awesomestuff and it's really exciting.
I'm excited to share the episode.
I've been reading a lot of like the JohnMaxwell books cause he's written just so
many, you know, and every time I read achapter, I'm just like, Oh my gosh, wow.
I have so much more to learn.
You know, Have youread, uh, Covey's books?
(54:05):
I haven't read, uh, The SevenHabits of Highly Effective People.
I read that a long time ago, but it's beena long time and I feel like, you know,
when you read a book at different seasonsin your life, you learn something new.
So I haven't read any of hisbooks lately or even some of
his old books lately, but yeah.
Hanne (54:24):
I highly recommend, he has one called Trust and Inspire.
It came out in 2022.
And it just, to me, it felt like itreaffirmed so much of like what I talked
about with Carol and Zoe and like.
The inspirational leadership to inspiresomeone to move into leadership and to
(54:46):
inspire someone and pull out the giftingsin, in them and, you know, all of that.
So highly recommend that one.
Kat (54:54):
Thank you.
I
Hanne (54:55):
will put,
Kat (54:56):
I will add that to my book list.
Awesome.
Well, thank you, Hana.
I appreciate you.
Yeah.
Love you guys.
They love you too.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Alright, friends, that's a wrap ontoday's episode of Wildly Wealthy Life.
We hope you're feeling firedup and ready to take on the
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