March 15, 2025 • 60 mins
In this inspiring episode of Wildly Wealthy Life, Kat and Lee talk with Heather McCloud, actress, dancer, writer, and founder of Heather’s Hollywood Hotline. Heather shares her journey from owning a dance studio to managing her young sons' thriving acting careers. She opens up about overcoming self-limiting beliefs, navigating the entertainment industry, and the importance of surrounding yourself with supportive mentors. Heather also offers invaluable advice for parents with children in show business. Get ready for laughter, life lessons, and insights on creative leadership and resilience.
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02:00 Kat and Lee introduce Heather McCloud and her multifaceted career, - Start -
06:46 Heather reflects on her biggest self-limiting beliefs and their roots
09:04 Creating a sense of belonging through her dance studio
14:14 Navigating comparison and confidence issues with her children
17:28 A controversial yet empowering parenting approach
19:52 Heather s strategy for managing social media and fame for her children
26:49 Why building strong mentorships and finding supportive communities is essential
37:16 Lessons from mentors who believed in others before they believed in themselves
53:36 What living a Wildly Wealthy Life means to Heather
Heather's Hollywood Hotline
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61552380417425
https://www.instagram.com/heathers.hollywood.hotline/
Mentor Gregg Russell
https://www.tapintothenetwork.com/gregg-russell
Venom 3
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt16366836/?ref_=nm_flmg_knf_t_1
Dash McCloud
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm12336368/
@why.not.heather
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Heather (00:00):
I coached a girl, uh, for acting for an audition and she came
to me and I found out halfway throughcoaching her that she had already
been coached for this audition.
And she, she broke down crying andshe told me that she went to the
coach was for a series regular.
She was a little bit greener student.
And the coach said, I can'teven help you with this.
(00:25):
This is so beyond you,like the waste of time.
Like you, I can't even coach you for this.
She's like 10 years old.
Do you know?
And it wasn't like she didit in a really gentle way.
No, I couldn't tell her.
On the, on the zoom, you know, causeI don't really know her that well.
(00:49):
I want to be like, yeah, we'redoing this, you know, but, and
I didn't want to tell her we'regoing to, you're going to book it.
Cause at that time, in that momentin her training, she wasn't right.
I said, you know what this is,this is the opportunity for you
to show casting what you can do.
And you.
Can do a lot.
(01:11):
So let's work, you know?
Yeah.
Who is this other woman?
Forget that woman.
What right does she have to,to push this 10 year old down?
So what?
Like, Oh, Oh, the coach, the all knowingacting coach, like wrap all the time.
And I just like, it makes melike go crazy because that can
(01:34):
have a lasting impact forever.
I mean, that girl couldremember that moment forever.
And so.
So important to keep people like youand me and coaches in that space that
are like really like have big hearts.
And I, this is not about me.
You know,
Lee (02:00):
in today's episode, we are welcoming Heather McLeod.
Kat (02:03):
Heather McLeod is an amazing friend of mine.
We met, gosh, years ago, back in 2004.
We were in the same, uh, scholarshipprogram for a performing arts studio.
Lee (02:14):
Almost exactly 20 years ago.
Kat (02:17):
Whoa!
It is 20 years ago.
Lee (02:20):
Well, I mean, it's a little more than,
Kat (02:22):
yeah.
Oh my gosh.
That's so crazy.
Wow.
That is incredible.
But, but anyway, Heather is justsuch an amazing human being.
Uh, she has done so much in her life.
She has been a dancer, hasbeen in multiple commercials,
working as an actress.
She's an amazing writer.
She's incredibly funny.
(02:42):
She is also a business woman.
She opened her own dance studio backin 2009 in the midst of a recession.
And.
Got that to be a verysuccessful dance studio.
Six years later, she sold that.
Um, uh, she has been acting an amazingactress and an amazing mama to two
adorable boys who are successfulworking actors in the industry.
(03:05):
I mean, they're literallyfilming in some of the biggest.
Uh, network TV shows and, and moviesand just her take about, you know,
motherhood and being a mom, uh, withboys in the industry is really amazing.
So I think you're goingto love this episode.
So coming right up.
(03:25):
Hey, my name is Kat
Lee (03:27):
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Kat (04:11):
That was a great episode with Heather.
We're about to bring heron in just a second here.
What was your biggest takeawayjust to kind of prep our
audience on what to expect?
Lee (04:21):
I think that Heather comes from a very real grounded place and hearing her
points of advice are gonna be able tobe applicable across all, all different
types of people from different countriesand cultures and everything else.
That's kind of the great thing is she'sjust super grounded and tells it as it is.
(04:42):
And, uh, it's, yeah, she, she's amazing.
She's really beautiful.
Kat (04:46):
Yeah, I think I really love her approach with parenting with
Dash that she said, this might becontroversial parenting, um, but
it's just so funny and I think, youknow, maybe it's not for everybody.
As you listen to this episode,maybe you're thinking, well, this
is not for me, but you know what?
It's effective for herbecause of her personality.
Personality because of whoshe is, the relationship that
(05:06):
she's got with her child.
Right.
I just love the way she approaches things.
Um, just a big pattern interruptfor, for her child, I'm sure.
And her child was really surprised.
Right.
Lee (05:17):
I think as a preface, you have to say like, You know, every child is
different and they need different tools,different messages for some of them,
uh, to snap out and not to have these
Kat (05:32):
rabbit hole of digging into, you know, have
Lee (05:35):
doubt, not have, uh, negative words.
Stick inside, like sometimes you needa nice strong message to send them out.
So I think that was a good, good
Kat (05:45):
moment.
So hopefully you'll love the episode.
Let's bring her on.
Hello.
Thank you, Heather, for being here.
I really appreciate you, um, youknow, tuning in and being able to
(06:09):
be available, especially when youare in Melbourne right now filming.
So that's really awesome.
I'm so excited.
Um, I guess I want to start with, um,you have done so much, um, In your life
like with everything that you want todo your goals I feel like you're someone
that I look up to when you have a goalYou really are so determined and so
(06:31):
focused you've done so much You've beenaccomplished as a businesswoman with like
your dance studio and now being an amazingmom and raising two boys who are in the
in the business, which i'm sure has itsown set of Difficulties and challenges.
Um, I want to know what has been, ifyou look back, what, what has been
(06:52):
maybe like a thematic self limitingbelief that you have as a person and.
This is like so deep.
Yes, we're going, we'regoing straight there.
Like if you could pinpoint like oneor two major, major self limiting
belief you've had that you feellike you've had to repeatedly.
(07:15):
Really try to, youknow, push past through.
Heather (07:19):
Yeah.
I love this question.
First of all, thank youso much for having me.
Of course, I feel thesame about both of you.
I'm very inspired by you both.
It's probably why we've beenfriends for so long, because
you guys both have that same.
Tenacity and grit.
You still live in Los Angeles.
Let's be honest.
(07:40):
Crazy town.
It's wild.
That's not to say that if you didn'twant to stay in LA, that's fine.
I totally get that too.
Trust me.
Uh, weekly, I get that.
But anyways, uh, no, thisis such a powerful question.
It's something that I actually,um, I, I, it's so funny that you
said this because I just saved anInstagram post about limiting beliefs.
(08:02):
I can't remember.
And yeah, so I think that for me,there's really three limiting beliefs
and the first one is not belonging.
I have felt like anoutcast since I was a kid.
I was picked on severelyin elementary school.
Um, And I was fine by junior highand it was fine in high school.
(08:27):
And by then I didn't really care, but itwas interesting because that feeling of
not belonging carried into my experiencesin Los Angeles, in the dance world.
And so I always felt like thisoutcast that I wasn't enough.
I wasn't.
Um, sexy enough, especially if you'rea dancer, like too wholesome looking.
I, I didn't want to partysometimes to the degree that the
(08:51):
people around me were partying.
Like I just never felt like I belonged.
And so that is one that I really healeda lot when I created my dance studio
because everything was built around.
You know, our ideas and our vision, andwe are walking, welcoming people into
our space and it was, um, literallymy mission to create a space where.
(09:14):
Everyone felt like they belonged.
And so that was one of the most beautifulthings I was able to do because people
would tell me that, you know, the amountof cards and thank yous and creating a
space where people belonged, um, was justreally healing for me, but also a gift.
That I felt like I could give to othersthat maybe I didn't have growing up and
(09:36):
having that place and that support to beweird and yourself and you know, yourself.
So that was probably, andthat's the most beautiful part
about owning the studio for me.
Um, another one is just impostersyndrome, which I think is just like
that same side of the same coin, right?
And you're like, I don'tknow what I'm doing.
I'm not kidding you.
(09:58):
I, I.
I fake it till I make it every single day,like forever, no matter what, like, I just
pretend like we know what we're doing.
I have no idea.
I can't tell you where we're going.
I can only tell you what Ilearned, but, uh, so there's,
of course there's that one.
And then this is a really,really personal one.
I don't talk about it a lot, butI'm trying to talk about it more.
(10:22):
It was just wild, the feeling likesomehow the way I physically appeared
and that started before I was a dancerthat started from this childhood
stuff that I went through and then wasreinforced by dance and reinforced by
different relationships in my life.
And I'm still an actress andthere's so many ways that
(10:44):
it's still reinforced today.
And so having to really.
No, um, that I am not definedby the appearance of my body.
Success is not defined bythe size of my clothing.
All of that is something that I havestruggled with deeply and it'll do.
(11:06):
And it doesn't have anything todo with what size I actually am.
Cause I've been all the sizes.
And.
I will, I could be small andnever be enough, you know?
And it's just something that
Lee (11:21):
I think the other side of that real quick is also like, you're
loved in all those sizes, youknow, big thing is I'm hearing you.
I'm like, I don't know.
I've always loved you.
Heather (11:33):
Be
Lee (11:33):
around and like be around
Heather (11:34):
and you're so right.
It's funny.
Like I didn't even want to have a girl.
Because I had a dance studio and I, youknow, so many of my friends ended up
with these, um, eating disorders andI didn't want my dancers to do that.
And so I really prioritized health.
I was very careful about the messagethat we sent out, you know, and
(11:58):
then I had two boys, but you'renot even immune from it with them.
So there's just like, I really,my, my next goal, because I
don't own the studio anymore, is.
To maybe, this is something I'vebeen weighing for a long time,
like make an impact in this spacebecause it's something that is so
important, um, and so sensitive, youknow, no one wants to talk about it.
(12:21):
Um, but yeah, I think it's important.
Yeah.
I think it's linked to performing arts.
I mean, it's better.
It's better.
At least they let, let you in ifyou're athletic, but it's not good.
Yeah.
Pamela Anderson, not wearing makeupto the red carpet to like, be like,
we're going to go against ageism.
You know, all these like celebritiescoming out like that, like Jamie
(12:43):
Lee Curtis and all these, Awesome.
Kat (12:46):
Yeah.
Because we need that, you know?
Wow.
That's awesome.
Thank you for just sharing that andbeing, being vulnerable in that.
Because yeah, I think that a lot of peoplestruggle with that and it's so hard.
Right.
Because it's like, we know thatwe are loved no matter what
size we are, but especiallywhen you're in the entertainment
industry, that's really hard.
That's the first thing that people see.
I mean, what do you do for auditions?
Do you submit a headshot?
(13:07):
It's all about your image, but yet theytell you it's not about how you look,
but then it is about how you look becausethe first thing that you give them that
Lee (13:20):
you can't control this particular role or you're not, it doesn't matter
what you think it's this or that.
Heather (13:27):
So crazy.
So true.
It's so true.
And now I even see these dancers andthey're on their social media and
they're like their abs and they're like,they're every picture is like, so hot.
Oh, thank God we didn't have that.
Yeah.
Right.
I don't know how they do it.
I don't know how they process it.
It's crazy.
Wild.
Yeah, that pressure.
Kat (13:48):
Yeah.
So now, you know, as a mom with two boyswho are, you know, working actors and
they're, they're still so young, right?
Have you seen them go throughtheir own self limiting beliefs?
And what are those for them?
And you know, what are those for them?
And then what do you think is like, Yourkind of, um, biggest struggle with it
(14:11):
and how do you help them overcome it?
Heather (14:14):
Yeah.
So my kids, just for alittle bit of background.
This isn't, I'm not even trying to brag,but I just want to put it in perspective.
They're on the biggest sets in Hollywood.
They are at this game, like my four yearold, I'm in Australia filming for series
regular for major network televisionshow my, you know, Joshua series regular
by seven, the pilot didn't get pickedup, but, and now he's in this huge
(14:37):
Marvel movie that's about to come out.
So we're at it at the biggest level.
And fortunately they have gotten into it.
At an age where they are not selfconscious, they don't, they don't, that,
that, that just hasn't developed forany kid really, you know, that young.
Dash is getting older.
I heard him make his firstcomment the other day.
(14:59):
He said something, uh, both my kids arevery fit and whatever, but Duke is very,
um, skinny and like very, very skinny.
We're like, I need to takeyou some chicken right now.
And Dash made a comment and I justwas like, the wind sucked out of me.
(15:20):
He was like, uh, Duke skinny.
And I, I'm not, and I was like,
Kat (15:25):
wow, the comparison is coming in.
Heather (15:28):
And I was like, that's new.
You know, I was like, well, it'snot really about that though.
I said, I said, you're super healthy.
I said, if anything, your health,you'd be better than healthy.
No, but not comparing, but I was like,you know, it's just about being healthy.
And I said, because your body is goingto experience all different kinds of
(15:49):
changes throughout your life and they'reall great and they're all part of you
and they're all wonderful and they'reall okay and you're very healthy.
You're very active.
You're very fit and you don'tneed to look like anybody else.
You don't need to be like anybody else.
And that was like onewhere I was like, Oh, okay.
I feel like this is where Ineed to be paying attention
because he's paying attention.
And the other time, this mightbe controversial parenting.
(16:15):
We were, uh, we wereshooting in, in Italy.
And we were in Sicily and Dash heard thissong in a store and he liked it and he
started dancing and he was like seven andhe started dancing and he's like going
full out in the middle of the store.
And these people walk by the storeand they started laughing at him
because they thought it was cute.
You know, he was like justrocking out in the store.
(16:36):
He totally shuts down.
He starts crying.
I've never seen that.
He crawls under this clothing rack.
It won't come out.
And he's crying.
He's crying.
And I was like, what is happening?
Like, can we go, he won't leave nothing.
And I'm like, what is going on?
And he's like, they were laughingat me and, you know, whatever.
And I I'm like, And I was like,well, I think they were laughing
(16:57):
because they thought it was fun towatch you know, they were laughing
and it was mean and it wasn't okay.
And, you know, and I don'tfeel like a good dancer.
He's a great dancer.
And so I said, I whispered in his ear.
I don't know.
You might, can you bleep me out on this
Kat (17:14):
Yeah, totally.
If you would
Heather (17:17):
there.
And I was like, and he goes, what?
And I go them.
And he goes, what, mom?
You can't say that.
And I go, yeah, I can't.
Those people, them, I go,
I go stand up.
Own your stuff.
Right?
Easier.
But we didn't, I mean, the fact that Iwas saying this like, but you know why?
(17:38):
It was like I woke him up.
Mm-hmm . You know.
It jarred him.
What is that?
He was like, mom, mom, mom.
And so it's so good because sincethat day, if I ever see him like
feeling like that little thingcomes, I'll literally just walk up
(17:59):
behind and he'll go like, okay, okay.
Other people are like, that's crazy.
But You know, I don't know.
Yeah, it was just like, I was so mad thathe was losing that fire and that people
are always going to try to take it away,but his journey could end up being really,
(18:20):
really hard, but you know, most kidsdon't have to do that in a public space.
And that's the thing Iworry about most of my kids.
Cause I don't want them to be famous,but I don't know that I have control.
So it's like, I just want to be so clear
Lee (18:33):
about
Heather (18:34):
like, We're not going to do that, you know, we got you like this matters,
like get your head out of that space now.
So I don't know.
I'll let to be sure.
I'll let you know how it plays out.
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How do you find the battle with that self-image, with all
the social media that's going on?
Like what are you thinking aboutfirst steps to protect them?
Because I know, like withmy, my nieces that are.
My niece, uh, Paige, uh, three daysago, uh, passed her driver's license
test, but it's like that whole launch.
(21:06):
And then my other one is 14 and they,um, just the, the challenges that are
out there, my other niece, Morgan alsolike just the challenges that are out
there coming from all different angles.
Cause they live and breathe offthose phones, you know, at a certain
age, my brother and his wife,they, they take the cell phones
at night, you know, and kind of.
(21:27):
Check, make sure it's like, Hey, monitorwhat's going on and that kind of thing.
But I mean, there's just so many differentattacks on the identity that we carry.
What are some things that you thinkyou, you are planning to do or currently
doing along with FM to, to help?
Kat (21:50):
That pattern interrupt is so good.
Heather (21:54):
That's such a good question.
I actually Uh, worryabout this all the time.
Um, uh, so my plan, Ido actually have a plan.
So we are doing, uh, no smartphones till high school.
And my goal is no social media.
My goal is that they won't beinterested in social media.
Um, I don't know that I'llhave control over that.
(22:15):
And to be honest, I thinkit, it will be influenced.
Probably in many ways by what, wherethey end up schooling and how they
end up schooling, like if they end upat a high school in person, I think
it's really hard to avoid social mediaonce you're, you know, 15, 16, 17.
But, um, I think if they end up doing anonline, Program, which just depends on if
(22:37):
they want to keep acting, which is, um,that might be easier because there might
not be that pressure and that influence.
But like right now, uh,my kids don't have phones.
I mean, they're eight and four, butyou know, friends already have phones.
He's turning nine.
Some of his friends have phones.
Um, or they don't have,he has a smartphone.
He has a phone only when I'm away likethis, but he can like only text and
(23:00):
call on it, doesn't do anything else.
Um, So, uh, yeah, justno smartphones at all.
Um, and I really would like themto hopefully not be interested in
social media, but I think at, like,16, I mean, we're almost done anyway,
they've got to learn how to, like,manage some tools and I've got 2 years
(23:20):
with them in my house to do that.
Help them.
Lee (23:22):
Yeah.
So
Heather (23:23):
like, maybe that's where we'll end up, but definitely no
smartphones before high school.
I'm not even going to fight that battle.
Um, and then the other thing wouldbe like, just for their career wise,
there's a lot of parents who growtheir kids Instagrams, which is Fine.
No judgment.
(23:43):
There's people who aren't in thisindustry that grow their kids.
Instagrams.
So that's all good.
This is so not a judgment.
This is just like a choice that I've made.
I know you can get sponsorship and Icould get, you know, people are like,
you could get your kids so much moneyand you know, all this stuff, but it's
not, we're not here for the money.
Um, I have chosen to not grow theirInstagram accounts if you were on their
(24:08):
page, they don't even have a thousandfollowers, um, they do attach social
media to casting, so, and it does helpin that way, and I think it lets people
like, you know, who are genuinelyinterested, like, see what's going on.
I don't know what's going tohappen after Marvel comes out.
I don't know.
Wake up and he has 30,000 followers one day.
(24:30):
Okay.
But it's just like, notsomething that I seek.
It's also not something that I feellike I could totally get rid of, but
he has no real awareness around it.
Like I don't post it.
That would be embarrassingfor him later in his life.
Or I don't post a lot of videos.
(24:50):
It's really just like more photos.
Look where we're filming.
Yeah, so I don't know.
So I don't know what's goingto happen with that, but yeah,
Lee (24:58):
I'm, I'm the idea of like leading and that too, because you've done the dance
world, acting world, um, you're a momager,right now, amazing, taking care of the
household with Michael doing his thing.
And then, um, What else?
Dance, acting, writing, the new thing
Kat (25:18):
on your
Lee (25:18):
Instagram where you're like giving all the like coaching.
Yeah,
Heather (25:22):
I love that.
Yes, I know.
Keep
Lee (25:27):
going.
We're talking about thatfor a minute actually.
How's the coaching going?
Let's just start there.
Heather (25:36):
Oh, I, my biggest struggle is consistency, obviously.
Like that's my biggest thing wasI was like doing so good, but for
a very long time, then I got backfrom New York and it was, I had,
I had been gone for four monthsstraight and I just hit like a wall.
Kat (25:51):
Yeah.
Heather (25:52):
Well, if you guys are like this, but like sometimes it's so intense.
And it's so much workand it's like nonstop.
And then, you know, Mikeis back and forth with us.
So sometimes I'm a single parent a lot.
And like, I literally justgo into like hermit mode.
It's like, Oh, I texted Heather andshe's taking four days to respond.
That's because I'm like.
Short circuiting on my, youneeded that time to breathe.
(26:15):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You have to like go inwardand be like, I love you.
I'll see you in one month.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's the hardest thingwith the social media.
So then I ended up hiring somebodythis summer to be like, Can you just
like come up with all the ideas?
And she like comes to my houseand films that she's amazing.
And she gathers, sheedits everything for me.
And then all I have to do is like,go on, tweak the caption and post it.
(26:38):
And she got me like so many views.
And I was like, this is amazing.
Cause I don't have toresearch all this is amazing.
But then she, I went to Australiaand then her, and it's like hard
for me to be doing social media anddoing everything else I'm doing.
So consistency is my biggest thing.
Um, but I put tips on there.
(26:59):
Heather's Hollywood hotline.
God, I'm not being a verygood business owner right now.
Okay, let's reedit this.
You're doing good.
Put this first.
Oh yeah.
The Instagram page isHeather's Hollywood hotline.
Lee (27:12):
Hotline.
I love this.
Heather (27:14):
How to get your kids into the entertainment industry and thrive.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um.
Instagram,
Lee (27:19):
where am I finding this?
Kat (27:24):
But seriously, all jokes aside, Heather, the stuff that you put out
there is really good because it'scoming from a place of experience.
You know, this is you're living it out.
And so Having, you know, tips forparents out there who are wondering,
well, okay, I have this child who isso into, you know, um, entertainment.
(27:45):
Right.
And what do I do with thischild who is so entertainment?
And of course, like if they're, ifthat's their natural inclination,
you kind of want to, um, Nurturethat right and let them shine
because that's what they want to do.
But then a lot of parents, Ithink, are also scared, right?
Because it is a scary thing toput your Children in the industry.
(28:06):
Yeah, I know.
I'm there's just
Heather (28:08):
another one on September
Kat (28:09):
17th.
They're scary.
Yeah, actually, the funny thing is, um,You know, I watched, uh, what is that?
The quiet on set.
I watched it, right?
And I told me about it because hedidn't watch it, but I told me about it.
And I was just like, you know, Iwas actually thinking about you.
And I was like saying, youknow what, that's with Heather.
If she's, she, if she's, you know,managing her kids, it's never going to
(28:31):
happen to those kids because she's going.
I mean, you know, I'm very hopefulthat it will never, ever happen
because I know that you are so.
So, um, you know, hands onwith them and that, that to me,
I'm just like, that's amazing.
They're just so blessed.
Lee (28:44):
I only have cats so I can go to prison.
It's okay.
Don't put yourself in that position.
Kat (28:55):
But seriously, what, how, how blessed are they to really have a
mom who is Present and hands on, youknow, like I just think that's really
incredible So so that's really cool.
But what you've put out there is reallytruly awesome because I think Parents need
guidance, you know with this whole thing I
Heather (29:14):
I mean, it's so interesting went back to your point about like
that would never happen to my kids.
It's so funny because I actuallylead with the thought of like, this
could absolutely happen to my kids.
True.
Yes, so they do.
Like, I am like, so my job is tobuild this like, arsenal of education.
(29:36):
Around this business, I talk toevery single child actor that
I am fortunate enough to meet.
I had was fortunate enough to be in class,uh, with a very famous child actor who was
so generous when dash, he had, let's betigers come out and it was really good.
And he was five years old.
And I thought, Oh my God, Ithink this is going to go way
(29:57):
beyond commercials for fun.
And he was so lovely because I wasable to sit down and I took him
out to breakfast and was like, canyou just like, tell me everything.
And I really asked if Icould talk to his mom.
Yeah.
Um, and he was so generous with hisknowledge and a lot of like the stuff he
taught me and the confidence he gave metoo, you know, cause I was like, well,
(30:20):
what if they end up on drugs and alcohol?
And, and those are things Idon't have control over that.
Yeah.
And he was so sweet.
And he goes, Heather.
He goes, you don't have to be a childactor to end up on drugs and alcohol.
And I was like, Oh yeah.
I know a lot of those peopleand they are not child actors.
You have to be a child.
(30:40):
What if he gets bullied?
You don't have to be achild actor to get bullied.
Oh yeah.
My life.
Okay.
Yeah.
And it was like, so you canactually still provide them without
having to lead with fear, theseincredible life changing experiences.
And that gave me a lot of confidenceand his mom did a really good job.
And so I think that was so encouraging.
(31:01):
So I thought, okay, I want to just share.
This knowledge with otherpeople and help protect kids.
I wish that I could like havemore time to devote more advocacy.
There's so much that I, I have liststhat I keep, but I want to bag and be
like, Hey, Let's talk about these things.
(31:24):
Like I'm, this is happening.
These are where the protectionsare really shortcoming.
And there's so much more that I want todo, but my time is so limited right now.
Okay.
This is the best avenue right now.
I can like people online.
And also I've been, um.
(31:44):
Hit up a lot because I, Icoached dancers for 20 years.
I have a ton of coaching experience.
And if you've ever coached kids,like you cat, you've coached, you've
coached piano, you've coached chess,like everything, when you are a coach.
A good coach, the vessel that themessage flows through is the same.
The message is the same.
(32:05):
It's just replacement dance, math,science, but the, the, the way you
do it, the way you present it, theway you translate it, the way you
motivate, the way you build selfesteem, all of that is what matters.
And then the subject is just the subject,but I've got a lot of inquiries about like
who trains my kids and I train my kids.
(32:26):
Anybody else?
Cause I'm like, got it dialed in andpeople are asking if I will coach their
kids and I don't have time to coachindividually because it's so spontaneous.
Like with auditions and stuff.
I'm like, I can't even do our ownauditions, but I do think that I
will end up launching like this.
Six week sort of masterclassthat is for nine to 12 year olds.
(32:50):
That's sort of like an introductionto getting them to be more independent
in their form and teach them thefoundational skills that like, I
am literally working on my kids.
Yeah.
So I think that that's somethingthat I will probably roll out.
I mean, I was supposed to roll itout right now, but I'm in Melbourne.
(33:12):
So starting in November,I'll be back in Melbourne.
And I think I can do it like, I'llbe back because it's never ending.
Um, yeah, yeah.
I think that that's like a waythat I can give back now in
this space for a long time.
Kat (33:34):
Yeah, no, with the, you know, I think I really like what you said about how.
You know, when you are coaching,like I, you know, for me, I really
do know that when I teach piano,it is more than just piano, right?
I really do feel like I am teachingimportant life skills because again,
you know, whether it's dancing,singing, acting, chess, whatever
(33:57):
it is, math, as you said, those arekind of like the vehicles, right?
Like those are the things thatkind of like the tangible.
Skills, but then the life skillsthat sometimes are so intangible in
the beginning that actually comesout as we become adults, right?
They are so important.
And that's also part of the reasonwhy we started doing this podcast,
Heather, is because, uh, I'm actuallyrestructuring my program offering for
(34:20):
piano, and I'm really bleeding with,uh, Mindset coaching life coaching.
Basically, it's all about mindset andleadership skills, but through music
because that's my vehicle, right?
As you're looking back, youknow, you shared about your
own self limiting beliefs.
Um, your kids have their own, youknow, especially as dashes is growing
up all of a sudden you realize, Ohmy gosh, comparison is happening
(34:41):
now, you know, all these things.
What do you think itwould be very helpful?
For kids nowadays, like in our system,maybe not the school educational
system because you know, it's,it's really hard to, to kind of
sometimes implement something new andchange the way the, the educational
system is already doing its thing.
(35:04):
But if you were to.
Implement something, you know, asidefrom what you're doing with like
Hollywood hotline and all that,what would be like so important for
kids to have to be able to get theirmindsets strong and develop those
leadership values as they're going up?
Heather (35:20):
I would love to say like a really solid family foundation, but we
all know that that is not always even,even with the parents who have the best
intentions, that's not always possiblefor every child for a lot of kids.
So, I mean, I really think that oneof the best things is literally like.
(35:44):
What we're already doing, which ishaving responsible adults who are
creating joy through whatever vesselthat vehicle that is like, whether
that's baseball or dance or singingsomething that whatever that child loves.
But here's the thing, havingresponsible adults who.
(36:07):
Are not in it for their own ego whoare really genuinely there to mentor
the kids because they will alwayshave a space that they can go to that
they can connect with an adult thatthey can trust and someone who really
believes in them and cheers them on.
Lee (36:26):
And I
Heather (36:26):
have a lot of really strong feelings about.
The people who are in the mentorshipspace, I find that with kids, it
is incredibly, I mean, probablyall across the board, but kids
is a space I've always been in.
It's very like egocentricand I have my own experiences
(36:47):
where I really looked up to.
Someone who I really respected.
And then when I got to know them,they were more interested in
making sure that I didn't riseto keep them inflated, actually
genuinely helping me move forward.
Yeah.
And I met those mentors time met them liketime and again, and it's just devastating.
(37:09):
I, I coached a girl, uh,for acting for an audition.
And she came to me and I found outhalfway through coaching her that she had
already been coached for this audition.
And she, she broke down crying and shetold me that she went to the coach.
It was for a series regular.
She was a little bit greener student.
And the coach said, I can'teven help you with this.
(37:34):
This is so beyond you.
Like the waste of time.
Like you, I can't even coach you for this.
She's like 10 years old.
Do you know?
And it wasn't like she didit in a really gentle way.
No, I couldn't tell her.
On the, on the zoom, you know, cause Idon't really know her that well, you know,
(37:59):
I want to be like, yeah, we're doingthis, you know, but, and I didn't want
to tell her we're going to, you're goingto book it because at that time, in that
moment in her training, she wasn't right.
I said, you know what, this is, this isthe opportunity for you to show casting
what you can do and you can do a lot.
(38:21):
So let's get to work, you know, with that,who is this other woman forget that woman.
What right does she have to,to push this 10 year old down?
So what?
Like, Oh, Oh, the coach, the all knowingacting coach, like, I see the same thing.
Crap all the time.
And I just like, it makes melike go crazy because that can
(38:44):
have a lasting impact forever.
I mean, that girl couldremember that moment forever.
And so it's so important to keep peoplelike you and me and coaches in that space
that are like, really like have big heartsand I, this is not about me, you know?
Lee (39:01):
Like I know, I know cat's history and where some of that
passion for lifting other people up.
Really comes from, uh, fromlike a deep, deep place.
Do you remember when?
Some of the, some of those moments reallybroke you, like really hurt you where
this strength has really grown out of.
Heather (39:22):
Yeah, I, I do.
Um, you know, I didn't, uh, growup in like competitive, Uh, when
I was a kid, I didn't start thattill like I was older, like 15.
So it wasn't really when I was akid, it was in my early twenties.
I was super vulnerable.
I was like in LA, I was broke.
I, we were on edge scholarship.
We had had body evaluations.
(39:43):
I was.
You know, on the verge of probablywaiting for the catalyst to
kickstart my eating disorder.
You know, it was just like, we justneeded someone smoking a cigarette
next to a haystack for that to get.
Wow.
We got, I'm going to tell,I'm going to tell this story.
I'm not going to tell names,but I'm going to tell this
story because this is messed up.
(40:04):
This.
So we had to do our edgescholarship show, right?
Yeah.
And our director made us go set upmeetings with every, with all the
agents that didn't pick us, so thatwe could get like a good idea, right?
Yeah.
So that you could get feedbackabout why they didn't pick you.
Yeah.
Got your big panties onand, and learn something.
Yeah.
And move on and figure outhow to get signed, right?
(40:26):
Yeah.
Or go in there and negotiate and fight foryourself and figure out how to get signed.
Lee (40:29):
Mm-hmm
. Heather: Great.
So, um.
I got, I got no agent offers from theEdge scholarship, which was devastating.
Just, that was like, oh my God, I gaveup a full ride academic scholarship
at Arizona state university to cometo LA to, you know, my parents, like,
(40:54):
where are you supposed to be a lawyer?
You know, I danced 40 hours a week.
I worked 20 hours onthe weekends at express.
Yeah.
What?
You know, on my feet 24 sevenand I got no agent offers.
So of course I had to go make all these,I didn't go make all of these meetings.
(41:15):
And I went to the first one and it wasfor, at the time was the biggest, hottest.
Dance agency that you can, and I wentin there and this woman sat across from
me and she told me that I was not, shegoes, I don't even really remember you.
I feel like you weren't memorable.
(41:36):
There's nothing unique aboutyou that makes you stand out.
You look like a very regular person.
Um, you're, you're really pale.
So like, if you don't want to tanor commit to spray tans, I feel like
you should maybe dye your hair black.
You should consider blue contacts.
To make yourself look more exotic.
Like, I just think that we don't knowwhat to do with you and you're not, we
(41:57):
just like, you're just very, very plain.
Wow.
And I remember pairing that with themessage at a rehearsal that we had for
our edge scholarship show, where wewere in a dance, you were, I believe
we're in that dance as well, Kat.
And we have, um, thesetwo piece outfits on.
(42:20):
And after we were done, we weretold, sorry, I'm like, really, I
don't want to use anyone's name.
We were told that we did not workhard enough, that our bodies were
not ripped enough, and that if thechoreographer could not come up
with a one piece situation for theshow in like whatever, two days it
was, then the piece would be pulled.
(42:41):
So All of these voices that wereso powerful, the gatekeepers of the
world, I had sacrificed everythingto get into it very, very clear to
me that I was not enough and I didnot belong in this industry and I,
(43:01):
Looking at, I went on to get signedby, I will say her name, Lisa at MSA.
She owns a separate talentagency, which is wonderful.
Yeah.
Wonderful.
Bless that woman.
And even if she hadn't signed meon that day, the way she treated
me with respect was so wonderful.
And I don't understand why receivershave that kind of power, you know,
(43:25):
but it's, it's And I was nevertaught with intention, learn how
to not give up my power, which issomething I do teach my kids now.
Kat (43:35):
Wow.
Yeah.
Heather (43:36):
That was like really, really, really rough.
I think that kickstarted a very, thecigarette fell into the haystack.
Yeah.
And years of, uh, chaos and emotionalrecovery and self discovery,
which I'm thankful for now.
Yeah.
It makes me who I am and I'ma better mother because of it.
I see things.
(43:57):
You know, I pay attention to thingsand I've helped a lot of kids.
Yeah,
Lee (44:01):
I really hope some somebody in the creative world or even actually, I mean
that transcends the creative world Justif you're out there and like you have
somebody that's That negative voice.
You really need to cut that out.
Actually, I just had a text from a recentMBA grad who went to a women's group, like
(44:22):
a women's leadership group in LA here.
And one of the messages she walkedaway from was like, surround yourself
with people that build you up.
And stay away from the negative voices.
And she's like, you know, like all throughhigh school, college, she had a rough time
and then she just moved to a differentcircle where people are like lifting
each other up and building each other up.
(44:42):
And like, there are those circles
Heather (44:44):
you have
Lee (44:45):
to get out of sometimes where you're at.
And you have to go into new circles,but those buildup circles are there.
That's
Heather (44:52):
exactly what happened to me.
That's like a hundredpercent what happened to me.
I remember landing in Greg Russell'stap world and it was like, they're
all the sudden there were all these,I mean, I say this as like, literally
like the biggest compliment, but liketap nerds, like me, you have to be a
certain type of person as an adult.
(45:12):
Just tap dancing at theseriousness that we were taking it.
You know what I mean?
Like, like, like, let's just, if youcan't laugh at that, if you can't pull
yourself out of the forest to laughat the trees a little bit, like, you
really like a certain kind of person.
But that was, That was Greg Russellas a mentor, one of, I think for many
(45:34):
people, you know, he's not a perfect man.
He's not, he was one of my best friends.
So I get on many levels.
It was not a perfect man, buthe was such a fantastic mentor.
I mean, he literally liftedeverybody up, everybody.
I mean, he made you feellike a million bucks.
He was like, Bring it in here.
(45:55):
Yes, you can.
Yes, you can.
Yes, you can.
When I went to his memorial, it waslike, there was this sort of like,
this sort of theme of his memorialservice was that he believed in me
before I even believed in myself.
And I was like, wow, likethat, that is so powerful.
(46:17):
I want to be that kind of mentor.
But yeah, I think it was justlike, He was, he believed in people
before they believed in themselves.
And I remember thinking, that'swhat I want people to say about me.
And I see that thing in himthat they couldn't see yet.
That if you had to me, if youhad to sum up mentorship, that
(46:39):
is like the foundation of it.
To express itself through that human.
And Greg was never, if you, if you wereto like be in his company and be like,
you know what, this isn't working for me.
I'm going to leave andgo do this other thing.
Greg would never shame you for that.
He would never talkbad about you for that.
He would never.
He would just be like, Iwish you the best of luck.
(47:01):
He was so ego involved.
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Same thing like mentorship, coaching.
(48:59):
It's really about, um, Seeing theirpotential and calling them to that
potential and believing in them beforethey can even believe in themselves.
And, and, you know, when they are,when they're having these self
limiting beliefs, it's like, no, Irefuse to fight for your limitation.
I'm not going to fight foryour limitation with you.
Like I'm going to fight foractually, uh, what I believe
(49:23):
you're so much more capable of.
And, and I love that because I feel like.
That shows up all the time with like withmy classes do like with piano, you know
It's it's it's crazy how and I see it,too It's it's funny how I see it as they
get older like I always see, you knowLike the young kids like six year olds.
They're like, oh, yeah, I can do anythingthey're they're excited about it and then
(49:46):
we get to higher levels as they get olderand they're like That's that's hard.
I'm like, oh Uh, no kidding.
It's hard because we're at adifferent level, you know, but
does that mean you can't do it?
I'm like you've already done hard things.
Guess what?
When you were six and you learnedthis first piece that was hard
You just didn't see it as hard atthat time because you were a kid.
You didn't you thoughtyou could do everything
Heather (50:08):
Uh, so crazy, right?
I know there's this um, there's like twogreg Like sayings that he used to do that.
I like totally stole that.
I love so much Um, the, of coursethis one I say all the time,
but it's a share, not a compare.
Is that like in my house all the time?
People are like, you know, are, areyou, do your kids ever get jealous?
Like, is Dash jealous?
(50:28):
Cause he's now having to be the onewho's in Melbourne on the sidelines
while his brother's working.
And I'm like, no, it's liketotally cheering him on,
you know, are you jealous?
Because your kids are workingand you have no time for yourself
and you can't get an audition.
I'm like, no, I'm happy for my kids.
People are really awesome.
I get it.
It's like a bad question.
But then, but even outside of that too,is like, I'll tell my kids, it's okay
(50:53):
if another kid gets that role becauseit's a share, not a compare, and there's
going to be more roles and there'senough room for all of us at the top.
But the other saying that I love too,when you were talking about where you're
like, no, I'm not going to, I'm notgoing to reinforce your limiting beliefs.
Greg, like going back to that, likesnapping kids out of it, you know, can't
(51:14):
say FM, um, then I would say, uh, hewould always go like, who knows more
about tap near you and he'd go, well, you,and then he'd go, okay, so stop talking.
The kids would be like, I can't do it.
I don't know what it, I suck that one.
I suck.
I'll never get it.
I suck.
Yeah.
I go more about cat near you andthey would go you and I'd go, Yeah.
(51:37):
So you don't even knowenough to make that judgment.
Like be quiet, go, stop.
What are you doing?
Stop.
Why would you, okay.
Bye.
It's like, don't even entertain it.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, I believe in you.
So I know more about zap.
So sorry.
Bye.
Here we go.
Keep going.
Flat ball chain.
I can't do this math.
It's hard.
It's no, you can't do math.
(51:58):
You just did math.
Like, you know, math, althoughthat won't last long, more about
math, but you know what I'm saying?
It's like, so right.
It's like, yeah, we're not, I'mnot riding this ride with you.
Bye.
You know, try not to put, I don't wantto be like, I don't want to also get
on like the drama train with them.
More like that.
(52:18):
Like one of those, like, youknow, like slap out of it.
You know, it's like,
Kat (52:23):
I
Heather (52:23):
don't know.
Kat (52:24):
Uh, so good.
Well, Heather, this hasbeen really wonderful.
I have like one last question, but I don'tknow if you have a, another one before we,
Lee (52:31):
I'm getting flashbacks of like, yeah, my time teaching and like
seeing those different moments whereyou literally slap it out of them.
But like, you know, there's fear andyou just pull out the bravery, you
know, from these individuals to goand stand up and defend themselves.
Uh, the students that I've talkedto over the last 20 years, seeing
the limiting beliefs that they'vehad all the way through from.
(52:53):
You know, middle school, high school,and then getting into college, you
know, those formative years where justlike you, uh, or had some negative
voices thrown at you after gettingout, these people had that before they
even get started on their journey.
And, um, The, the growth, the overcomingof the challenges, the success, you
(53:15):
know, finding the circles of people whobelieve in them, finding their tribe,
finding the, you know, animation nerds,the fashion nerds, the cooking nerds, the
construction nerds, the designer nerds,you know, your pockets are out there.
Um, it's just a matter of like reallyconnecting with those positive ones
that, that build you up and bring youBring you that joy, bring you that peace,
(53:37):
bring you that fulfillment in what we do.
Heather (53:40):
It's literally lifesaving.
Like when you're talking about itis so importantly, like finding your
people can be lifesaving, everything.
So, you know, yeah.
And you guys are likedoing that for people.
Like that's, you know, We get weigheddown in the like the, you know,
(54:01):
our life in our, I do for sure.
I'd like, I mean, this is so much work,you know, or like, even like building
out business models and all the other.
Lee (54:14):
Yeah.
Heather (54:17):
Oh wait, this is actually really important work.
Lee (54:20):
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And lasting and impactful.
Yeah.
That's the other side of it too.
It's not
Heather (54:24):
just
Lee (54:25):
like important for a moment, like this is the skills that you are
putting in or putting out there forpeople to take in, like live on like
Kat (54:34):
their
Lee (54:34):
entire lives.
You know, in, in
Kat (54:36):
every area.
Yeah.
It's so, it's so important.
Well, Heather, should we do like alittle, like little this or that?
I know we did plan that, but itwould be fun to do it with Heather.
Oh, go for
Lee (54:46):
it.
Kat (54:47):
This or that.
Oh, this or you this or that.
And then, uh,
Lee (54:49):
wrap it up because she's gotta go.
Kat (54:50):
Heather noodles or rice or none of the above.
Rice.
Heather (54:56):
Rice.
Okay.
Before gluten free Heather, I probablywould pick noodles, but rice, uh,
Lee (55:02):
swords or rifles,
Kat (55:04):
swords, , uh, books or movies.
Lee (55:11):
Puzzles or Uno?
Kat (55:15):
Uno.
It's more fast paced.
Beach or mountains?
Heather (55:20):
Beach.
Lee (55:22):
Since you have two boys, pee or poop?
Heather (55:24):
No.
You know what?
I'm gonna have to go with poop.
And that sounds weird, but thepoop is always just in the toilet
and it's done and it's flushed.
The P is everywhere and it like hauntsyou and it seeps and you'll clean the
whole bathroom and you'll go, how could itpossibly still smell like urine in here?
(55:47):
We actually would pick the poop.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I guess we.
It
Lee (55:52):
holds together.
There's a whole lot of like a whole, yeah.
The P is
Heather (55:55):
forever.
The P is forever.
It's like, you're noteven cleaning the walls.
I mean,
Lee (56:01):
I
Kat (56:02):
guess, I guess we could stop there.
That's hilarious.
Lee (56:05):
Why don't we go to that last question?
Kat (56:07):
I love it, but you know what?
It's true because even withcats, yeah, poop and pee.
I mean, yeah, pee, it's lingers forever,but at least when you can clean it up, the
pee is just like, oh my gosh, thankfullymy cat, we, our cats don't do that.
Our cats know how to use the litter.
So Have accidents, no
Heather (56:25):
accidents.
So it's,
Kat (56:26):
it's okay.
Heather (56:27):
You sound
Kat (56:27):
like
Heather (56:28):
me when the kids are at the store throwing a tantrum.
I'm like, they're never like this.
Kat (56:37):
Except just for today.
Today is just, youknow, a weird situation.
It's one of those random days.
Awesome.
Okay.
Well, Heather, thank you forplaying with us today and for
spending your time with us.
Uh, we want to end with this question.
What is your idea ofa wildly wealthy life?
Heather (56:56):
Oh my gosh.
I think that what I've learned, um,along the way is that the happiest
I've ever been has not been Hadmuch to do with money, but it has
everything to do with relational wealth.
And what I mean by that is it isthe health of the relationships with
(57:16):
the people that are in your life.
And, um, if you are surrounded by reallygood people who care about you and you
have healthy relationships, I think youcan weather anything that's thrown at you.
You know, like.
The ups and downs through life.
Um, but at the end of the day, itcomes down to the company you keep
(57:37):
and the health of that company.
And, um, yeah, because you canhave all the success in the
world and get all the things.
But if you don't have good people wholove you, I mean, what do you have?
Kat (57:49):
Yeah.
Well, Heather, thank you so much.
This is really great.
I'm so happy to see you all theway from Melbourne right now.
Heather (58:03):
Well, but when I get back though, we really will do like, Proper
proper lunch and hopefully I'll havetime when I get back this round.
But if not, It's okay.
Kat (58:12):
I know you have like a crazy busy into November December.
It's okay.
Heather (58:16):
Anything but hanging out with friends.
Okay That's it.
Lee (58:20):
Where can people find you?
And should there be any specificmovie tickets that we should
buy in the coming weeks?
Heather (58:27):
Oh, yeah This question Yes, please go check out Venom 3 in the
theaters with Tom Hardy and ReeseIfans and Alana Ubach and Juno Temple
and so many other great people.
But who's
Lee (58:43):
the special one that we're looking for?
Heather (58:45):
Bash McLeod, my son will be in it.
The, uh, I was told he would bein about a third of the movie,
but we're about to find out here.
Like two and a half weeks, uh,how much of it he is in, but he
is a main part of the storyline.
So we're very excited for that.
That was really, really fun to film.
So, so cool to film.
(59:05):
So fun to do.
Um, and then you can find me on Instagram.
That's like my, that's my spot.
That's my spot is, uh, youcan follow me personally.
Why period not period Heather.
Cause why not Heather?
Because, No limiting beliefs.
Why not, Heather?
That's literally where thatwhole handle is stemmed from.
(59:27):
And then, um, then you can also findme at Heather's period Hollywood period
hotline for all the tips and trickson how to get your kids in the biz.
And then you can find allmy kids on those pages.
You'll figure it out.
Um, but yeah, I know.
Uh, thank you so much for havingme and for the beautiful work
that you guys are both doing.
(59:48):
Doing in the world and changing a lotof lives and getting the message out.
And like, I don't know.
That's great.
Kat (59:58):
I love that.
Thank you.
I will definitely, you know, Heather,I haven't been to the movie theater
since I think I could, I maybe I've onlybeen to movie theater once since 2020,
to be honest, like a wish that's it.
Like I watched one of our friends,uh, was the voice for the movie wish.
Oh, we went to the movie theater for that.
(01:00:20):
And I think maybe I'll make this a theme.
I'm only gonna go watch amovie in the movie theater to
support someone that I know.
'cause I don't go to the movies.
'cause my mind goes to, if I'm gonna sitdown for two hours to watch a movie, I
need to have my cats on me . So why, whydo I need to be in a movie theater when
I can sit at home and have my cats on me?
You know,
Heather (01:00:40):
I, there's gotta be a theater somewhere where you can bring
your cat . Like that house exists.
I know, right?
Lee (01:00:46):
That could be a new, the new cat cafe.
Heather (01:00:49):
Yeah, the new
Lee (01:00:50):
business ideas out there.
Heather (01:00:52):
Exactly.
Like cat cafe movie night.
Oh my gosh.
Yes.
Lee (01:00:58):
My mind is literally going to how can I construct this awesome
stage with like a cat frame?
Kat (01:01:03):
So I will definitely go watch Venom because you know,
uh, we know someone there.
Right.
So we're actually goingto go to the theater
Heather (01:01:18):
this time.
This is like comic book stuff.
Yeah.
Kat (01:01:22):
Yeah.
Awesome.
Well, thank you again for being here.
Thank
Heather (01:01:26):
you.
Bye.
Thank you.
Kat (01:01:31):
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I coached a girl, uh, for acting for an audition and she came
to me and I found out halfway throughcoaching her that she had already
been coached for this audition.
And she, she broke down crying andshe told me that she went to the
coach was for a series regular.
She was a little bit greener student.
And the coach said, I can'teven help you with this.
(00:25):
This is so beyond you,like the waste of time.
Like you, I can't even coach you for this.
She's like 10 years old.
Do you know?
And it wasn't like she didit in a really gentle way.
No, I couldn't tell her.
On the, on the zoom, you know, causeI don't really know her that well.
(00:49):
I want to be like, yeah, we'redoing this, you know, but, and
I didn't want to tell her we'regoing to, you're going to book it.
Cause at that time, in that momentin her training, she wasn't right.
I said, you know what this is,this is the opportunity for you
to show casting what you can do.
And you.
Can do a lot.
(01:11):
So let's work, you know?
Yeah.
Who is this other woman?
Forget that woman.
What right does she have to,to push this 10 year old down?
So what?
Like, Oh, Oh, the coach, the all knowingacting coach, like wrap all the time.
And I just like, it makes melike go crazy because that can
(01:34):
have a lasting impact forever.
I mean, that girl couldremember that moment forever.
And so.
So important to keep people like youand me and coaches in that space that
are like really like have big hearts.
And I, this is not about me.
You know,
Lee (02:00):
in today's episode, we are welcoming Heather McLeod.
Kat (02:03):
Heather McLeod is an amazing friend of mine.
We met, gosh, years ago, back in 2004.
We were in the same, uh, scholarshipprogram for a performing arts studio.
Lee (02:14):
Almost exactly 20 years ago.
Kat (02:17):
Whoa!
It is 20 years ago.
Lee (02:20):
Well, I mean, it's a little more than,
Kat (02:22):
yeah.
Oh my gosh.
That's so crazy.
Wow.
That is incredible.
But, but anyway, Heather is justsuch an amazing human being.
Uh, she has done so much in her life.
She has been a dancer, hasbeen in multiple commercials,
working as an actress.
She's an amazing writer.
She's incredibly funny.
(02:42):
She is also a business woman.
She opened her own dance studio backin 2009 in the midst of a recession.
And.
Got that to be a verysuccessful dance studio.
Six years later, she sold that.
Um, uh, she has been acting an amazingactress and an amazing mama to two
adorable boys who are successfulworking actors in the industry.
(03:05):
I mean, they're literallyfilming in some of the biggest.
Uh, network TV shows and, and moviesand just her take about, you know,
motherhood and being a mom, uh, withboys in the industry is really amazing.
So I think you're goingto love this episode.
So coming right up.
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That was a great episode with Heather.
We're about to bring heron in just a second here.
What was your biggest takeawayjust to kind of prep our
audience on what to expect?
Lee (04:21):
I think that Heather comes from a very real grounded place and hearing her
points of advice are gonna be able tobe applicable across all, all different
types of people from different countriesand cultures and everything else.
That's kind of the great thing is she'sjust super grounded and tells it as it is.
(04:42):
And, uh, it's, yeah, she, she's amazing.
She's really beautiful.
Kat (04:46):
Yeah, I think I really love her approach with parenting with
Dash that she said, this might becontroversial parenting, um, but
it's just so funny and I think, youknow, maybe it's not for everybody.
As you listen to this episode,maybe you're thinking, well, this
is not for me, but you know what?
It's effective for herbecause of her personality.
Personality because of whoshe is, the relationship that
(05:06):
she's got with her child.
Right.
I just love the way she approaches things.
Um, just a big pattern interruptfor, for her child, I'm sure.
And her child was really surprised.
Right.
Lee (05:17):
I think as a preface, you have to say like, You know, every child is
different and they need different tools,different messages for some of them,
uh, to snap out and not to have these
Kat (05:32):
rabbit hole of digging into, you know, have
Lee (05:35):
doubt, not have, uh, negative words.
Stick inside, like sometimes you needa nice strong message to send them out.
So I think that was a good, good
Kat (05:45):
moment.
So hopefully you'll love the episode.
Let's bring her on.
Hello.
Thank you, Heather, for being here.
I really appreciate you, um, youknow, tuning in and being able to
(06:09):
be available, especially when youare in Melbourne right now filming.
So that's really awesome.
I'm so excited.
Um, I guess I want to start with, um,you have done so much, um, In your life
like with everything that you want todo your goals I feel like you're someone
that I look up to when you have a goalYou really are so determined and so
(06:31):
focused you've done so much You've beenaccomplished as a businesswoman with like
your dance studio and now being an amazingmom and raising two boys who are in the
in the business, which i'm sure has itsown set of Difficulties and challenges.
Um, I want to know what has been, ifyou look back, what, what has been
(06:52):
maybe like a thematic self limitingbelief that you have as a person and.
This is like so deep.
Yes, we're going, we'regoing straight there.
Like if you could pinpoint like oneor two major, major self limiting
belief you've had that you feellike you've had to repeatedly.
(07:15):
Really try to, youknow, push past through.
Heather (07:19):
Yeah.
I love this question.
First of all, thank youso much for having me.
Of course, I feel thesame about both of you.
I'm very inspired by you both.
It's probably why we've beenfriends for so long, because
you guys both have that same.
Tenacity and grit.
You still live in Los Angeles.
Let's be honest.
(07:40):
Crazy town.
It's wild.
That's not to say that if you didn'twant to stay in LA, that's fine.
I totally get that too.
Trust me.
Uh, weekly, I get that.
But anyways, uh, no, thisis such a powerful question.
It's something that I actually,um, I, I, it's so funny that you
said this because I just saved anInstagram post about limiting beliefs.
(08:02):
I can't remember.
And yeah, so I think that for me,there's really three limiting beliefs
and the first one is not belonging.
I have felt like anoutcast since I was a kid.
I was picked on severelyin elementary school.
Um, And I was fine by junior highand it was fine in high school.
(08:27):
And by then I didn't really care, but itwas interesting because that feeling of
not belonging carried into my experiencesin Los Angeles, in the dance world.
And so I always felt like thisoutcast that I wasn't enough.
I wasn't.
Um, sexy enough, especially if you'rea dancer, like too wholesome looking.
I, I didn't want to partysometimes to the degree that the
(08:51):
people around me were partying.
Like I just never felt like I belonged.
And so that is one that I really healeda lot when I created my dance studio
because everything was built around.
You know, our ideas and our vision, andwe are walking, welcoming people into
our space and it was, um, literallymy mission to create a space where.
(09:14):
Everyone felt like they belonged.
And so that was one of the most beautifulthings I was able to do because people
would tell me that, you know, the amountof cards and thank yous and creating a
space where people belonged, um, was justreally healing for me, but also a gift.
That I felt like I could give to othersthat maybe I didn't have growing up and
(09:36):
having that place and that support to beweird and yourself and you know, yourself.
So that was probably, andthat's the most beautiful part
about owning the studio for me.
Um, another one is just impostersyndrome, which I think is just like
that same side of the same coin, right?
And you're like, I don'tknow what I'm doing.
I'm not kidding you.
(09:58):
I, I.
I fake it till I make it every single day,like forever, no matter what, like, I just
pretend like we know what we're doing.
I have no idea.
I can't tell you where we're going.
I can only tell you what Ilearned, but, uh, so there's,
of course there's that one.
And then this is a really,really personal one.
I don't talk about it a lot, butI'm trying to talk about it more.
(10:22):
It was just wild, the feeling likesomehow the way I physically appeared
and that started before I was a dancerthat started from this childhood
stuff that I went through and then wasreinforced by dance and reinforced by
different relationships in my life.
And I'm still an actress andthere's so many ways that
(10:44):
it's still reinforced today.
And so having to really.
No, um, that I am not definedby the appearance of my body.
Success is not defined bythe size of my clothing.
All of that is something that I havestruggled with deeply and it'll do.
(11:06):
And it doesn't have anything todo with what size I actually am.
Cause I've been all the sizes.
And.
I will, I could be small andnever be enough, you know?
And it's just something that
Lee (11:21):
I think the other side of that real quick is also like, you're
loved in all those sizes, youknow, big thing is I'm hearing you.
I'm like, I don't know.
I've always loved you.
Heather (11:33):
Be
Lee (11:33):
around and like be around
Heather (11:34):
and you're so right.
It's funny.
Like I didn't even want to have a girl.
Because I had a dance studio and I, youknow, so many of my friends ended up
with these, um, eating disorders andI didn't want my dancers to do that.
And so I really prioritized health.
I was very careful about the messagethat we sent out, you know, and
(11:58):
then I had two boys, but you'renot even immune from it with them.
So there's just like, I really,my, my next goal, because I
don't own the studio anymore, is.
To maybe, this is something I'vebeen weighing for a long time,
like make an impact in this spacebecause it's something that is so
important, um, and so sensitive, youknow, no one wants to talk about it.
(12:21):
Um, but yeah, I think it's important.
Yeah.
I think it's linked to performing arts.
I mean, it's better.
It's better.
At least they let, let you in ifyou're athletic, but it's not good.
Yeah.
Pamela Anderson, not wearing makeupto the red carpet to like, be like,
we're going to go against ageism.
You know, all these like celebritiescoming out like that, like Jamie
(12:43):
Lee Curtis and all these, Awesome.
Kat (12:46):
Yeah.
Because we need that, you know?
Wow.
That's awesome.
Thank you for just sharing that andbeing, being vulnerable in that.
Because yeah, I think that a lot of peoplestruggle with that and it's so hard.
Right.
Because it's like, we know thatwe are loved no matter what
size we are, but especiallywhen you're in the entertainment
industry, that's really hard.
That's the first thing that people see.
I mean, what do you do for auditions?
Do you submit a headshot?
(13:07):
It's all about your image, but yet theytell you it's not about how you look,
but then it is about how you look becausethe first thing that you give them that
Lee (13:20):
you can't control this particular role or you're not, it doesn't matter
what you think it's this or that.
Heather (13:27):
So crazy.
So true.
It's so true.
And now I even see these dancers andthey're on their social media and
they're like their abs and they're like,they're every picture is like, so hot.
Oh, thank God we didn't have that.
Yeah.
Right.
I don't know how they do it.
I don't know how they process it.
It's crazy.
Wild.
Yeah, that pressure.
Kat (13:48):
Yeah.
So now, you know, as a mom with two boyswho are, you know, working actors and
they're, they're still so young, right?
Have you seen them go throughtheir own self limiting beliefs?
And what are those for them?
And you know, what are those for them?
And then what do you think is like, Yourkind of, um, biggest struggle with it
(14:11):
and how do you help them overcome it?
Heather (14:14):
Yeah.
So my kids, just for alittle bit of background.
This isn't, I'm not even trying to brag,but I just want to put it in perspective.
They're on the biggest sets in Hollywood.
They are at this game, like my four yearold, I'm in Australia filming for series
regular for major network televisionshow my, you know, Joshua series regular
by seven, the pilot didn't get pickedup, but, and now he's in this huge
(14:37):
Marvel movie that's about to come out.
So we're at it at the biggest level.
And fortunately they have gotten into it.
At an age where they are not selfconscious, they don't, they don't, that,
that, that just hasn't developed forany kid really, you know, that young.
Dash is getting older.
I heard him make his firstcomment the other day.
(14:59):
He said something, uh, both my kids arevery fit and whatever, but Duke is very,
um, skinny and like very, very skinny.
We're like, I need to takeyou some chicken right now.
And Dash made a comment and I justwas like, the wind sucked out of me.
(15:20):
He was like, uh, Duke skinny.
And I, I'm not, and I was like,
Kat (15:25):
wow, the comparison is coming in.
Heather (15:28):
And I was like, that's new.
You know, I was like, well, it'snot really about that though.
I said, I said, you're super healthy.
I said, if anything, your health,you'd be better than healthy.
No, but not comparing, but I was like,you know, it's just about being healthy.
And I said, because your body is goingto experience all different kinds of
(15:49):
changes throughout your life and they'reall great and they're all part of you
and they're all wonderful and they'reall okay and you're very healthy.
You're very active.
You're very fit and you don'tneed to look like anybody else.
You don't need to be like anybody else.
And that was like onewhere I was like, Oh, okay.
I feel like this is where Ineed to be paying attention
because he's paying attention.
And the other time, this mightbe controversial parenting.
(16:15):
We were, uh, we wereshooting in, in Italy.
And we were in Sicily and Dash heard thissong in a store and he liked it and he
started dancing and he was like seven andhe started dancing and he's like going
full out in the middle of the store.
And these people walk by the storeand they started laughing at him
because they thought it was cute.
You know, he was like justrocking out in the store.
(16:36):
He totally shuts down.
He starts crying.
I've never seen that.
He crawls under this clothing rack.
It won't come out.
And he's crying.
He's crying.
And I was like, what is happening?
Like, can we go, he won't leave nothing.
And I'm like, what is going on?
And he's like, they were laughingat me and, you know, whatever.
And I I'm like, And I was like,well, I think they were laughing
(16:57):
because they thought it was fun towatch you know, they were laughing
and it was mean and it wasn't okay.
And, you know, and I don'tfeel like a good dancer.
He's a great dancer.
And so I said, I whispered in his ear.
I don't know.
You might, can you bleep me out on this
Kat (17:14):
Yeah, totally.
If you would
Heather (17:17):
there.
And I was like, and he goes, what?
And I go them.
And he goes, what, mom?
You can't say that.
And I go, yeah, I can't.
Those people, them, I go,
I go stand up.
Own your stuff.
Right?
Easier.
But we didn't, I mean, the fact that Iwas saying this like, but you know why?
(17:38):
It was like I woke him up.
Mm-hmm . You know.
It jarred him.
What is that?
He was like, mom, mom, mom.
And so it's so good because sincethat day, if I ever see him like
feeling like that little thingcomes, I'll literally just walk up
(17:59):
behind and he'll go like, okay, okay.
Other people are like, that's crazy.
But You know, I don't know.
Yeah, it was just like, I was so mad thathe was losing that fire and that people
are always going to try to take it away,but his journey could end up being really,
(18:20):
really hard, but you know, most kidsdon't have to do that in a public space.
And that's the thing Iworry about most of my kids.
Cause I don't want them to be famous,but I don't know that I have control.
So it's like, I just want to be so clear
Lee (18:33):
about
Heather (18:34):
like, We're not going to do that, you know, we got you like this matters,
like get your head out of that space now.
So I don't know.
I'll let to be sure.
I'll let you know how it plays out.
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I'll see you there.
Lee (20:46):
How do you find the battle with that self-image, with all
the social media that's going on?
Like what are you thinking aboutfirst steps to protect them?
Because I know, like withmy, my nieces that are.
My niece, uh, Paige, uh, three daysago, uh, passed her driver's license
test, but it's like that whole launch.
(21:06):
And then my other one is 14 and they,um, just the, the challenges that are
out there, my other niece, Morgan alsolike just the challenges that are out
there coming from all different angles.
Cause they live and breathe offthose phones, you know, at a certain
age, my brother and his wife,they, they take the cell phones
at night, you know, and kind of.
(21:27):
Check, make sure it's like, Hey, monitorwhat's going on and that kind of thing.
But I mean, there's just so many differentattacks on the identity that we carry.
What are some things that you thinkyou, you are planning to do or currently
doing along with FM to, to help?
Kat (21:50):
That pattern interrupt is so good.
Heather (21:54):
That's such a good question.
I actually Uh, worryabout this all the time.
Um, uh, so my plan, Ido actually have a plan.
So we are doing, uh, no smartphones till high school.
And my goal is no social media.
My goal is that they won't beinterested in social media.
Um, I don't know that I'llhave control over that.
(22:15):
And to be honest, I thinkit, it will be influenced.
Probably in many ways by what, wherethey end up schooling and how they
end up schooling, like if they end upat a high school in person, I think
it's really hard to avoid social mediaonce you're, you know, 15, 16, 17.
But, um, I think if they end up doing anonline, Program, which just depends on if
(22:37):
they want to keep acting, which is, um,that might be easier because there might
not be that pressure and that influence.
But like right now, uh,my kids don't have phones.
I mean, they're eight and four, butyou know, friends already have phones.
He's turning nine.
Some of his friends have phones.
Um, or they don't have,he has a smartphone.
He has a phone only when I'm away likethis, but he can like only text and
(23:00):
call on it, doesn't do anything else.
Um, So, uh, yeah, justno smartphones at all.
Um, and I really would like themto hopefully not be interested in
social media, but I think at, like,16, I mean, we're almost done anyway,
they've got to learn how to, like,manage some tools and I've got 2 years
(23:20):
with them in my house to do that.
Help them.
Lee (23:22):
Yeah.
So
Heather (23:23):
like, maybe that's where we'll end up, but definitely no
smartphones before high school.
I'm not even going to fight that battle.
Um, and then the other thing wouldbe like, just for their career wise,
there's a lot of parents who growtheir kids Instagrams, which is Fine.
No judgment.
(23:43):
There's people who aren't in thisindustry that grow their kids.
Instagrams.
So that's all good.
This is so not a judgment.
This is just like a choice that I've made.
I know you can get sponsorship and Icould get, you know, people are like,
you could get your kids so much moneyand you know, all this stuff, but it's
not, we're not here for the money.
Um, I have chosen to not grow theirInstagram accounts if you were on their
(24:08):
page, they don't even have a thousandfollowers, um, they do attach social
media to casting, so, and it does helpin that way, and I think it lets people
like, you know, who are genuinelyinterested, like, see what's going on.
I don't know what's going tohappen after Marvel comes out.
I don't know.
Wake up and he has 30,000 followers one day.
(24:30):
Okay.
But it's just like, notsomething that I seek.
It's also not something that I feellike I could totally get rid of, but
he has no real awareness around it.
Like I don't post it.
That would be embarrassingfor him later in his life.
Or I don't post a lot of videos.
(24:50):
It's really just like more photos.
Look where we're filming.
Yeah, so I don't know.
So I don't know what's goingto happen with that, but yeah,
Lee (24:58):
I'm, I'm the idea of like leading and that too, because you've done the dance
world, acting world, um, you're a momager,right now, amazing, taking care of the
household with Michael doing his thing.
And then, um, What else?
Dance, acting, writing, the new thing
Kat (25:18):
on your
Lee (25:18):
Instagram where you're like giving all the like coaching.
Yeah,
Heather (25:22):
I love that.
Yes, I know.
Keep
Lee (25:27):
going.
We're talking about thatfor a minute actually.
How's the coaching going?
Let's just start there.
Heather (25:36):
Oh, I, my biggest struggle is consistency, obviously.
Like that's my biggest thing wasI was like doing so good, but for
a very long time, then I got backfrom New York and it was, I had,
I had been gone for four monthsstraight and I just hit like a wall.
Kat (25:51):
Yeah.
Heather (25:52):
Well, if you guys are like this, but like sometimes it's so intense.
And it's so much workand it's like nonstop.
And then, you know, Mikeis back and forth with us.
So sometimes I'm a single parent a lot.
And like, I literally justgo into like hermit mode.
It's like, Oh, I texted Heather andshe's taking four days to respond.
That's because I'm like.
Short circuiting on my, youneeded that time to breathe.
(26:15):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You have to like go inwardand be like, I love you.
I'll see you in one month.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's the hardest thingwith the social media.
So then I ended up hiring somebodythis summer to be like, Can you just
like come up with all the ideas?
And she like comes to my houseand films that she's amazing.
And she gathers, sheedits everything for me.
And then all I have to do is like,go on, tweak the caption and post it.
(26:38):
And she got me like so many views.
And I was like, this is amazing.
Cause I don't have toresearch all this is amazing.
But then she, I went to Australiaand then her, and it's like hard
for me to be doing social media anddoing everything else I'm doing.
So consistency is my biggest thing.
Um, but I put tips on there.
(26:59):
Heather's Hollywood hotline.
God, I'm not being a verygood business owner right now.
Okay, let's reedit this.
You're doing good.
Put this first.
Oh yeah.
The Instagram page isHeather's Hollywood hotline.
Lee (27:12):
Hotline.
I love this.
Heather (27:14):
How to get your kids into the entertainment industry and thrive.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um.
Instagram,
Lee (27:19):
where am I finding this?
Kat (27:24):
But seriously, all jokes aside, Heather, the stuff that you put out
there is really good because it'scoming from a place of experience.
You know, this is you're living it out.
And so Having, you know, tips forparents out there who are wondering,
well, okay, I have this child who isso into, you know, um, entertainment.
(27:45):
Right.
And what do I do with thischild who is so entertainment?
And of course, like if they're, ifthat's their natural inclination,
you kind of want to, um, Nurturethat right and let them shine
because that's what they want to do.
But then a lot of parents, Ithink, are also scared, right?
Because it is a scary thing toput your Children in the industry.
(28:06):
Yeah, I know.
I'm there's just
Heather (28:08):
another one on September
Kat (28:09):
17th.
They're scary.
Yeah, actually, the funny thing is, um,You know, I watched, uh, what is that?
The quiet on set.
I watched it, right?
And I told me about it because hedidn't watch it, but I told me about it.
And I was just like, you know, Iwas actually thinking about you.
And I was like saying, youknow what, that's with Heather.
If she's, she, if she's, you know,managing her kids, it's never going to
(28:31):
happen to those kids because she's going.
I mean, you know, I'm very hopefulthat it will never, ever happen
because I know that you are so.
So, um, you know, hands onwith them and that, that to me,
I'm just like, that's amazing.
They're just so blessed.
Lee (28:44):
I only have cats so I can go to prison.
It's okay.
Don't put yourself in that position.
Kat (28:55):
But seriously, what, how, how blessed are they to really have a
mom who is Present and hands on, youknow, like I just think that's really
incredible So so that's really cool.
But what you've put out there is reallytruly awesome because I think Parents need
guidance, you know with this whole thing I
Heather (29:14):
I mean, it's so interesting went back to your point about like
that would never happen to my kids.
It's so funny because I actuallylead with the thought of like, this
could absolutely happen to my kids.
True.
Yes, so they do.
Like, I am like, so my job is tobuild this like, arsenal of education.
(29:36):
Around this business, I talk toevery single child actor that
I am fortunate enough to meet.
I had was fortunate enough to be in class,uh, with a very famous child actor who was
so generous when dash, he had, let's betigers come out and it was really good.
And he was five years old.
And I thought, Oh my God, Ithink this is going to go way
(29:57):
beyond commercials for fun.
And he was so lovely because I wasable to sit down and I took him
out to breakfast and was like, canyou just like, tell me everything.
And I really asked if Icould talk to his mom.
Yeah.
Um, and he was so generous with hisknowledge and a lot of like the stuff he
taught me and the confidence he gave metoo, you know, cause I was like, well,
(30:20):
what if they end up on drugs and alcohol?
And, and those are things Idon't have control over that.
Yeah.
And he was so sweet.
And he goes, Heather.
He goes, you don't have to be a childactor to end up on drugs and alcohol.
And I was like, Oh yeah.
I know a lot of those peopleand they are not child actors.
You have to be a child.
(30:40):
What if he gets bullied?
You don't have to be achild actor to get bullied.
Oh yeah.
My life.
Okay.
Yeah.
And it was like, so you canactually still provide them without
having to lead with fear, theseincredible life changing experiences.
And that gave me a lot of confidenceand his mom did a really good job.
And so I think that was so encouraging.
(31:01):
So I thought, okay, I want to just share.
This knowledge with otherpeople and help protect kids.
I wish that I could like havemore time to devote more advocacy.
There's so much that I, I have liststhat I keep, but I want to bag and be
like, Hey, Let's talk about these things.
(31:24):
Like I'm, this is happening.
These are where the protectionsare really shortcoming.
And there's so much more that I want todo, but my time is so limited right now.
Okay.
This is the best avenue right now.
I can like people online.
And also I've been, um.
(31:44):
Hit up a lot because I, Icoached dancers for 20 years.
I have a ton of coaching experience.
And if you've ever coached kids,like you cat, you've coached, you've
coached piano, you've coached chess,like everything, when you are a coach.
A good coach, the vessel that themessage flows through is the same.
The message is the same.
(32:05):
It's just replacement dance, math,science, but the, the, the way you
do it, the way you present it, theway you translate it, the way you
motivate, the way you build selfesteem, all of that is what matters.
And then the subject is just the subject,but I've got a lot of inquiries about like
who trains my kids and I train my kids.
(32:26):
Anybody else?
Cause I'm like, got it dialed in andpeople are asking if I will coach their
kids and I don't have time to coachindividually because it's so spontaneous.
Like with auditions and stuff.
I'm like, I can't even do our ownauditions, but I do think that I
will end up launching like this.
Six week sort of masterclassthat is for nine to 12 year olds.
(32:50):
That's sort of like an introductionto getting them to be more independent
in their form and teach them thefoundational skills that like, I
am literally working on my kids.
Yeah.
So I think that that's somethingthat I will probably roll out.
I mean, I was supposed to roll itout right now, but I'm in Melbourne.
(33:12):
So starting in November,I'll be back in Melbourne.
And I think I can do it like, I'llbe back because it's never ending.
Um, yeah, yeah.
I think that that's like a waythat I can give back now in
this space for a long time.
Kat (33:34):
Yeah, no, with the, you know, I think I really like what you said about how.
You know, when you are coaching,like I, you know, for me, I really
do know that when I teach piano,it is more than just piano, right?
I really do feel like I am teachingimportant life skills because again,
you know, whether it's dancing,singing, acting, chess, whatever
(33:57):
it is, math, as you said, those arekind of like the vehicles, right?
Like those are the things thatkind of like the tangible.
Skills, but then the life skillsthat sometimes are so intangible in
the beginning that actually comesout as we become adults, right?
They are so important.
And that's also part of the reasonwhy we started doing this podcast,
Heather, is because, uh, I'm actuallyrestructuring my program offering for
(34:20):
piano, and I'm really bleeding with,uh, Mindset coaching life coaching.
Basically, it's all about mindset andleadership skills, but through music
because that's my vehicle, right?
As you're looking back, youknow, you shared about your
own self limiting beliefs.
Um, your kids have their own, youknow, especially as dashes is growing
up all of a sudden you realize, Ohmy gosh, comparison is happening
(34:41):
now, you know, all these things.
What do you think itwould be very helpful?
For kids nowadays, like in our system,maybe not the school educational
system because you know, it's,it's really hard to, to kind of
sometimes implement something new andchange the way the, the educational
system is already doing its thing.
(35:04):
But if you were to.
Implement something, you know, asidefrom what you're doing with like
Hollywood hotline and all that,what would be like so important for
kids to have to be able to get theirmindsets strong and develop those
leadership values as they're going up?
Heather (35:20):
I would love to say like a really solid family foundation, but we
all know that that is not always even,even with the parents who have the best
intentions, that's not always possiblefor every child for a lot of kids.
So, I mean, I really think that oneof the best things is literally like.
(35:44):
What we're already doing, which ishaving responsible adults who are
creating joy through whatever vesselthat vehicle that is like, whether
that's baseball or dance or singingsomething that whatever that child loves.
But here's the thing, havingresponsible adults who.
(36:07):
Are not in it for their own ego whoare really genuinely there to mentor
the kids because they will alwayshave a space that they can go to that
they can connect with an adult thatthey can trust and someone who really
believes in them and cheers them on.
Lee (36:26):
And I
Heather (36:26):
have a lot of really strong feelings about.
The people who are in the mentorshipspace, I find that with kids, it
is incredibly, I mean, probablyall across the board, but kids
is a space I've always been in.
It's very like egocentricand I have my own experiences
(36:47):
where I really looked up to.
Someone who I really respected.
And then when I got to know them,they were more interested in
making sure that I didn't riseto keep them inflated, actually
genuinely helping me move forward.
Yeah.
And I met those mentors time met them liketime and again, and it's just devastating.
(37:09):
I, I coached a girl, uh,for acting for an audition.
And she came to me and I found outhalfway through coaching her that she had
already been coached for this audition.
And she, she broke down crying and shetold me that she went to the coach.
It was for a series regular.
She was a little bit greener student.
And the coach said, I can'teven help you with this.
(37:34):
This is so beyond you.
Like the waste of time.
Like you, I can't even coach you for this.
She's like 10 years old.
Do you know?
And it wasn't like she didit in a really gentle way.
No, I couldn't tell her.
On the, on the zoom, you know, cause Idon't really know her that well, you know,
(37:59):
I want to be like, yeah, we're doingthis, you know, but, and I didn't want
to tell her we're going to, you're goingto book it because at that time, in that
moment in her training, she wasn't right.
I said, you know what, this is, this isthe opportunity for you to show casting
what you can do and you can do a lot.
(38:21):
So let's get to work, you know, with that,who is this other woman forget that woman.
What right does she have to,to push this 10 year old down?
So what?
Like, Oh, Oh, the coach, the all knowingacting coach, like, I see the same thing.
Crap all the time.
And I just like, it makes melike go crazy because that can
(38:44):
have a lasting impact forever.
I mean, that girl couldremember that moment forever.
And so it's so important to keep peoplelike you and me and coaches in that space
that are like, really like have big heartsand I, this is not about me, you know?
Lee (39:01):
Like I know, I know cat's history and where some of that
passion for lifting other people up.
Really comes from, uh, fromlike a deep, deep place.
Do you remember when?
Some of the, some of those moments reallybroke you, like really hurt you where
this strength has really grown out of.
Heather (39:22):
Yeah, I, I do.
Um, you know, I didn't, uh, growup in like competitive, Uh, when
I was a kid, I didn't start thattill like I was older, like 15.
So it wasn't really when I was akid, it was in my early twenties.
I was super vulnerable.
I was like in LA, I was broke.
I, we were on edge scholarship.
We had had body evaluations.
(39:43):
I was.
You know, on the verge of probablywaiting for the catalyst to
kickstart my eating disorder.
You know, it was just like, we justneeded someone smoking a cigarette
next to a haystack for that to get.
Wow.
We got, I'm going to tell,I'm going to tell this story.
I'm not going to tell names,but I'm going to tell this
story because this is messed up.
(40:04):
This.
So we had to do our edgescholarship show, right?
Yeah.
And our director made us go set upmeetings with every, with all the
agents that didn't pick us, so thatwe could get like a good idea, right?
Yeah.
So that you could get feedbackabout why they didn't pick you.
Yeah.
Got your big panties onand, and learn something.
Yeah.
And move on and figure outhow to get signed, right?
(40:26):
Yeah.
Or go in there and negotiate and fight foryourself and figure out how to get signed.
Lee (40:29):
Mm-hmm
. Heather: Great.
So, um.
I got, I got no agent offers from theEdge scholarship, which was devastating.
Just, that was like, oh my God, I gaveup a full ride academic scholarship
at Arizona state university to cometo LA to, you know, my parents, like,
(40:54):
where are you supposed to be a lawyer?
You know, I danced 40 hours a week.
I worked 20 hours onthe weekends at express.
Yeah.
What?
You know, on my feet 24 sevenand I got no agent offers.
So of course I had to go make all these,I didn't go make all of these meetings.
(41:15):
And I went to the first one and it wasfor, at the time was the biggest, hottest.
Dance agency that you can, and I wentin there and this woman sat across from
me and she told me that I was not, shegoes, I don't even really remember you.
I feel like you weren't memorable.
(41:36):
There's nothing unique aboutyou that makes you stand out.
You look like a very regular person.
Um, you're, you're really pale.
So like, if you don't want to tanor commit to spray tans, I feel like
you should maybe dye your hair black.
You should consider blue contacts.
To make yourself look more exotic.
Like, I just think that we don't knowwhat to do with you and you're not, we
(41:57):
just like, you're just very, very plain.
Wow.
And I remember pairing that with themessage at a rehearsal that we had for
our edge scholarship show, where wewere in a dance, you were, I believe
we're in that dance as well, Kat.
And we have, um, thesetwo piece outfits on.
(42:20):
And after we were done, we weretold, sorry, I'm like, really, I
don't want to use anyone's name.
We were told that we did not workhard enough, that our bodies were
not ripped enough, and that if thechoreographer could not come up
with a one piece situation for theshow in like whatever, two days it
was, then the piece would be pulled.
(42:41):
So All of these voices that wereso powerful, the gatekeepers of the
world, I had sacrificed everythingto get into it very, very clear to
me that I was not enough and I didnot belong in this industry and I,
(43:01):
Looking at, I went on to get signedby, I will say her name, Lisa at MSA.
She owns a separate talentagency, which is wonderful.
Yeah.
Wonderful.
Bless that woman.
And even if she hadn't signed meon that day, the way she treated
me with respect was so wonderful.
And I don't understand why receivershave that kind of power, you know,
(43:25):
but it's, it's And I was nevertaught with intention, learn how
to not give up my power, which issomething I do teach my kids now.
Kat (43:35):
Wow.
Yeah.
Heather (43:36):
That was like really, really, really rough.
I think that kickstarted a very, thecigarette fell into the haystack.
Yeah.
And years of, uh, chaos and emotionalrecovery and self discovery,
which I'm thankful for now.
Yeah.
It makes me who I am and I'ma better mother because of it.
I see things.
(43:57):
You know, I pay attention to thingsand I've helped a lot of kids.
Yeah,
Lee (44:01):
I really hope some somebody in the creative world or even actually, I mean
that transcends the creative world Justif you're out there and like you have
somebody that's That negative voice.
You really need to cut that out.
Actually, I just had a text from a recentMBA grad who went to a women's group, like
(44:22):
a women's leadership group in LA here.
And one of the messages she walkedaway from was like, surround yourself
with people that build you up.
And stay away from the negative voices.
And she's like, you know, like all throughhigh school, college, she had a rough time
and then she just moved to a differentcircle where people are like lifting
each other up and building each other up.
(44:42):
And like, there are those circles
Heather (44:44):
you have
Lee (44:45):
to get out of sometimes where you're at.
And you have to go into new circles,but those buildup circles are there.
That's
Heather (44:52):
exactly what happened to me.
That's like a hundredpercent what happened to me.
I remember landing in Greg Russell'stap world and it was like, they're
all the sudden there were all these,I mean, I say this as like, literally
like the biggest compliment, but liketap nerds, like me, you have to be a
certain type of person as an adult.
(45:12):
Just tap dancing at theseriousness that we were taking it.
You know what I mean?
Like, like, like, let's just, if youcan't laugh at that, if you can't pull
yourself out of the forest to laughat the trees a little bit, like, you
really like a certain kind of person.
But that was, That was Greg Russellas a mentor, one of, I think for many
(45:34):
people, you know, he's not a perfect man.
He's not, he was one of my best friends.
So I get on many levels.
It was not a perfect man, buthe was such a fantastic mentor.
I mean, he literally liftedeverybody up, everybody.
I mean, he made you feellike a million bucks.
He was like, Bring it in here.
(45:55):
Yes, you can.
Yes, you can.
Yes, you can.
When I went to his memorial, it waslike, there was this sort of like,
this sort of theme of his memorialservice was that he believed in me
before I even believed in myself.
And I was like, wow, likethat, that is so powerful.
(46:17):
I want to be that kind of mentor.
But yeah, I think it was justlike, He was, he believed in people
before they believed in themselves.
And I remember thinking, that'swhat I want people to say about me.
And I see that thing in himthat they couldn't see yet.
That if you had to me, if youhad to sum up mentorship, that
(46:39):
is like the foundation of it.
To express itself through that human.
And Greg was never, if you, if you wereto like be in his company and be like,
you know what, this isn't working for me.
I'm going to leave andgo do this other thing.
Greg would never shame you for that.
He would never talkbad about you for that.
He would never.
He would just be like, Iwish you the best of luck.
(47:01):
He was so ego involved.
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Same thing like mentorship, coaching.
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It's really about, um, Seeing theirpotential and calling them to that
potential and believing in them beforethey can even believe in themselves.
And, and, you know, when they are,when they're having these self
limiting beliefs, it's like, no, Irefuse to fight for your limitation.
I'm not going to fight foryour limitation with you.
Like I'm going to fight foractually, uh, what I believe
(49:23):
you're so much more capable of.
And, and I love that because I feel like.
That shows up all the time with like withmy classes do like with piano, you know
It's it's it's crazy how and I see it,too It's it's funny how I see it as they
get older like I always see, you knowLike the young kids like six year olds.
They're like, oh, yeah, I can do anythingthey're they're excited about it and then
(49:46):
we get to higher levels as they get olderand they're like That's that's hard.
I'm like, oh Uh, no kidding.
It's hard because we're at adifferent level, you know, but
does that mean you can't do it?
I'm like you've already done hard things.
Guess what?
When you were six and you learnedthis first piece that was hard
You just didn't see it as hard atthat time because you were a kid.
You didn't you thoughtyou could do everything
Heather (50:08):
Uh, so crazy, right?
I know there's this um, there's like twogreg Like sayings that he used to do that.
I like totally stole that.
I love so much Um, the, of coursethis one I say all the time,
but it's a share, not a compare.
Is that like in my house all the time?
People are like, you know, are, areyou, do your kids ever get jealous?
Like, is Dash jealous?
(50:28):
Cause he's now having to be the onewho's in Melbourne on the sidelines
while his brother's working.
And I'm like, no, it's liketotally cheering him on,
you know, are you jealous?
Because your kids are workingand you have no time for yourself
and you can't get an audition.
I'm like, no, I'm happy for my kids.
People are really awesome.
I get it.
It's like a bad question.
But then, but even outside of that too,is like, I'll tell my kids, it's okay
(50:53):
if another kid gets that role becauseit's a share, not a compare, and there's
going to be more roles and there'senough room for all of us at the top.
But the other saying that I love too,when you were talking about where you're
like, no, I'm not going to, I'm notgoing to reinforce your limiting beliefs.
Greg, like going back to that, likesnapping kids out of it, you know, can't
(51:14):
say FM, um, then I would say, uh, hewould always go like, who knows more
about tap near you and he'd go, well, you,and then he'd go, okay, so stop talking.
The kids would be like, I can't do it.
I don't know what it, I suck that one.
I suck.
I'll never get it.
I suck.
Yeah.
I go more about cat near you andthey would go you and I'd go, Yeah.
(51:37):
So you don't even knowenough to make that judgment.
Like be quiet, go, stop.
What are you doing?
Stop.
Why would you, okay.
Bye.
It's like, don't even entertain it.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, I believe in you.
So I know more about zap.
So sorry.
Bye.
Here we go.
Keep going.
Flat ball chain.
I can't do this math.
It's hard.
It's no, you can't do math.
(51:58):
You just did math.
Like, you know, math, althoughthat won't last long, more about
math, but you know what I'm saying?
It's like, so right.
It's like, yeah, we're not, I'mnot riding this ride with you.
Bye.
You know, try not to put, I don't wantto be like, I don't want to also get
on like the drama train with them.
More like that.
(52:18):
Like one of those, like, youknow, like slap out of it.
You know, it's like,
Kat (52:23):
I
Heather (52:23):
don't know.
Kat (52:24):
Uh, so good.
Well, Heather, this hasbeen really wonderful.
I have like one last question, but I don'tknow if you have a, another one before we,
Lee (52:31):
I'm getting flashbacks of like, yeah, my time teaching and like
seeing those different moments whereyou literally slap it out of them.
But like, you know, there's fear andyou just pull out the bravery, you
know, from these individuals to goand stand up and defend themselves.
Uh, the students that I've talkedto over the last 20 years, seeing
the limiting beliefs that they'vehad all the way through from.
(52:53):
You know, middle school, high school,and then getting into college, you
know, those formative years where justlike you, uh, or had some negative
voices thrown at you after gettingout, these people had that before they
even get started on their journey.
And, um, The, the growth, the overcomingof the challenges, the success, you
(53:15):
know, finding the circles of people whobelieve in them, finding their tribe,
finding the, you know, animation nerds,the fashion nerds, the cooking nerds, the
construction nerds, the designer nerds,you know, your pockets are out there.
Um, it's just a matter of like reallyconnecting with those positive ones
that, that build you up and bring youBring you that joy, bring you that peace,
(53:37):
bring you that fulfillment in what we do.
Heather (53:40):
It's literally lifesaving.
Like when you're talking about itis so importantly, like finding your
people can be lifesaving, everything.
So, you know, yeah.
And you guys are likedoing that for people.
Like that's, you know, We get weigheddown in the like the, you know,
(54:01):
our life in our, I do for sure.
I'd like, I mean, this is so much work,you know, or like, even like building
out business models and all the other.
Lee (54:14):
Yeah.
Heather (54:17):
Oh wait, this is actually really important work.
Lee (54:20):
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And lasting and impactful.
Yeah.
That's the other side of it too.
It's not
Heather (54:24):
just
Lee (54:25):
like important for a moment, like this is the skills that you are
putting in or putting out there forpeople to take in, like live on like
Kat (54:34):
their
Lee (54:34):
entire lives.
You know, in, in
Kat (54:36):
every area.
Yeah.
It's so, it's so important.
Well, Heather, should we do like alittle, like little this or that?
I know we did plan that, but itwould be fun to do it with Heather.
Oh, go for
Lee (54:46):
it.
Kat (54:47):
This or that.
Oh, this or you this or that.
And then, uh,
Lee (54:49):
wrap it up because she's gotta go.
Kat (54:50):
Heather noodles or rice or none of the above.
Rice.
Heather (54:56):
Rice.
Okay.
Before gluten free Heather, I probablywould pick noodles, but rice, uh,
Lee (55:02):
swords or rifles,
Kat (55:04):
swords, , uh, books or movies.
Lee (55:11):
Puzzles or Uno?
Kat (55:15):
Uno.
It's more fast paced.
Beach or mountains?
Heather (55:20):
Beach.
Lee (55:22):
Since you have two boys, pee or poop?
Heather (55:24):
No.
You know what?
I'm gonna have to go with poop.
And that sounds weird, but thepoop is always just in the toilet
and it's done and it's flushed.
The P is everywhere and it like hauntsyou and it seeps and you'll clean the
whole bathroom and you'll go, how could itpossibly still smell like urine in here?
(55:47):
We actually would pick the poop.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I guess we.
It
Lee (55:52):
holds together.
There's a whole lot of like a whole, yeah.
The P is
Heather (55:55):
forever.
The P is forever.
It's like, you're noteven cleaning the walls.
I mean,
Lee (56:01):
I
Kat (56:02):
guess, I guess we could stop there.
That's hilarious.
Lee (56:05):
Why don't we go to that last question?
Kat (56:07):
I love it, but you know what?
It's true because even withcats, yeah, poop and pee.
I mean, yeah, pee, it's lingers forever,but at least when you can clean it up, the
pee is just like, oh my gosh, thankfullymy cat, we, our cats don't do that.
Our cats know how to use the litter.
So Have accidents, no
Heather (56:25):
accidents.
So it's,
Kat (56:26):
it's okay.
Heather (56:27):
You sound
Kat (56:27):
like
Heather (56:28):
me when the kids are at the store throwing a tantrum.
I'm like, they're never like this.
Kat (56:37):
Except just for today.
Today is just, youknow, a weird situation.
It's one of those random days.
Awesome.
Okay.
Well, Heather, thank you forplaying with us today and for
spending your time with us.
Uh, we want to end with this question.
What is your idea ofa wildly wealthy life?
Heather (56:56):
Oh my gosh.
I think that what I've learned, um,along the way is that the happiest
I've ever been has not been Hadmuch to do with money, but it has
everything to do with relational wealth.
And what I mean by that is it isthe health of the relationships with
(57:16):
the people that are in your life.
And, um, if you are surrounded by reallygood people who care about you and you
have healthy relationships, I think youcan weather anything that's thrown at you.
You know, like.
The ups and downs through life.
Um, but at the end of the day, itcomes down to the company you keep
(57:37):
and the health of that company.
And, um, yeah, because you canhave all the success in the
world and get all the things.
But if you don't have good people wholove you, I mean, what do you have?
Kat (57:49):
Yeah.
Well, Heather, thank you so much.
This is really great.
I'm so happy to see you all theway from Melbourne right now.
Heather (58:03):
Well, but when I get back though, we really will do like, Proper
proper lunch and hopefully I'll havetime when I get back this round.
But if not, It's okay.
Kat (58:12):
I know you have like a crazy busy into November December.
It's okay.
Heather (58:16):
Anything but hanging out with friends.
Okay That's it.
Lee (58:20):
Where can people find you?
And should there be any specificmovie tickets that we should
buy in the coming weeks?
Heather (58:27):
Oh, yeah This question Yes, please go check out Venom 3 in the
theaters with Tom Hardy and ReeseIfans and Alana Ubach and Juno Temple
and so many other great people.
But who's
Lee (58:43):
the special one that we're looking for?
Heather (58:45):
Bash McLeod, my son will be in it.
The, uh, I was told he would bein about a third of the movie,
but we're about to find out here.
Like two and a half weeks, uh,how much of it he is in, but he
is a main part of the storyline.
So we're very excited for that.
That was really, really fun to film.
So, so cool to film.
(59:05):
So fun to do.
Um, and then you can find me on Instagram.
That's like my, that's my spot.
That's my spot is, uh, youcan follow me personally.
Why period not period Heather.
Cause why not Heather?
Because, No limiting beliefs.
Why not, Heather?
That's literally where thatwhole handle is stemmed from.
(59:27):
And then, um, then you can also findme at Heather's period Hollywood period
hotline for all the tips and trickson how to get your kids in the biz.
And then you can find allmy kids on those pages.
You'll figure it out.
Um, but yeah, I know.
Uh, thank you so much for havingme and for the beautiful work
that you guys are both doing.
(59:48):
Doing in the world and changing a lotof lives and getting the message out.
And like, I don't know.
That's great.
Kat (59:58):
I love that.
Thank you.
I will definitely, you know, Heather,I haven't been to the movie theater
since I think I could, I maybe I've onlybeen to movie theater once since 2020,
to be honest, like a wish that's it.
Like I watched one of our friends,uh, was the voice for the movie wish.
Oh, we went to the movie theater for that.
(01:00:20):
And I think maybe I'll make this a theme.
I'm only gonna go watch amovie in the movie theater to
support someone that I know.
'cause I don't go to the movies.
'cause my mind goes to, if I'm gonna sitdown for two hours to watch a movie, I
need to have my cats on me . So why, whydo I need to be in a movie theater when
I can sit at home and have my cats on me?
You know,
Heather (01:00:40):
I, there's gotta be a theater somewhere where you can bring
your cat . Like that house exists.
I know, right?
Lee (01:00:46):
That could be a new, the new cat cafe.
Heather (01:00:49):
Yeah, the new
Lee (01:00:50):
business ideas out there.
Heather (01:00:52):
Exactly.
Like cat cafe movie night.
Oh my gosh.
Yes.
Lee (01:00:58):
My mind is literally going to how can I construct this awesome
stage with like a cat frame?
Kat (01:01:03):
So I will definitely go watch Venom because you know,
uh, we know someone there.
Right.
So we're actually goingto go to the theater
Heather (01:01:18):
this time.
This is like comic book stuff.
Yeah.
Kat (01:01:22):
Yeah.
Awesome.
Well, thank you again for being here.
Thank
Heather (01:01:26):
you.
Bye.
Thank you.
Kat (01:01:31):
All right, friends, that's a wrap on today's episode of Wildly Wealthy Life.
We hope you're feeling fired upand ready to take on the world with
your brilliant mind and brave heart.
Lee (01:01:39):
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