Black Health and History with Psychologist Dr. Warren Harper

Black Health and History with Psychologist and Mental Health Specialist Dr. Warren Harper on The Bev Johnson on WDIA Radio.

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w d i A The BEB.Johnson Show. It is a Thursday,
beautiful Thursday in Memphis, Tennessee,May twenty fifth, twenty twenty three.
We are back in session with ourexpert psychologists, mental health specialist doctor Warren
Harper. Good morning to you,doctor Harper, Good morning bath and good
morning to the listening audience. Goodto have you back once again. Brother,

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I am so glad to be backon this sunny day in Memphis.
It is well, doctor Harper.We have three topics that we're gonna get
to today. The first the lifeand brutal murder of physician and surgeon doctor
Andrew Chesting Jackson during the Tulsa Racemassacre. And then in the counties with
more black doctors, black people livelonger, and half of the two hundred

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and fifty kids expelled from preschool eachday are African American boys. I like
them, Doctor Harper. So let'sbegin. Okay. I am sure the
listening audience has never heard of doctorAndrew Cheston Jackson. Okay, we're gonna
hear about him today. Okay.Doctor Andrew Cheston Jackson was born into an

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intact family. His father was CaptainTownsend D. Jackson, his mother was
Suferona Jackson, and he had twoother siblings. He was born and raised
until around age twelve in Memphis,Tennessee. Now, doctor Jackson's father,
I'm gonna be talking about the fatherfor a minute. His father was free
from slavery after the Battle of LookoutMountain in Chattanooga, Tennessee, in eighteen

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sixty three. This is the fatherof the doctor. The young soldier who
is the father was only seven yearsold. Keep in mind seven years old
when his owner sent him off tofight in the Civil War. After the
Civil War campaign in Chattanooga ended,he the father found his mother in Trenton,
Tennessee, and later found work waitingtables in Memphis. One of his

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co workers taught him to read andwrite. Townsend Jackson, again the father
of the doctor, went on tobecome the leader of a black militia,
a black militia which was formally recognizedas part of the police force in Memphis,
Tennessee, after his men helped keeporder during a pandemic of yellow fever
that ravaged Memphis in eighteen seventy eight. Despite his father's service to the community,

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a white mob threatened to lynch TownsendJackson after he dared to purchase and
smoke a cigar in a tobacco shopin the white part of Memphis. The
Civil War veteran and militia had toand his family had to leave Memphis because
people were getting ready to lynch him, and they moved to Gutrie, Oklahoma.

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So here we go. Doctor AndrewJackson attended Harry Medical College in Nashville.
He practiced for a while in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and Claremont, Oklahoma.
Then he trained as a surgeon inMemphis, Tennessee. Doctor Jackson was
such a great and talented surgeon thathis work attracted the attention of the Mayo
Brothers, founders of the Mayo clinicwhere he spent some time in training.

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There, he was considered listening tothis black African American people, he was
considered as the most able Negro surgeonin America. Let me translate that to
you. He was the best surgeonin America. Doctor Jackson married his wife
Julia, and due to the increasingsegregation in racial animosity towards African Americans in

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Gutrie, Oklahoma, he and hiswife moved to Greenville District in Tulsa,
where he set up his practice asa specialist in chronic diseases and surgery for
women. He served as the presidentof the State Medical Association and had planned
to open up the Booker T.Washington Hospital for Negroes. He also served
on the board of directors of theColored Orphan Home in Tulsa, and equally

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important, he designed surgical tools thatare still in use today today. Doctor
Jackson was one of fifteen African Americandoctors in Tulsa, and he lived in
a mixed ethnic neighborhood with successful AfricanAmericans alongside European Americans. The night before
the riot, he sent his wifeto Chicago for her safety and reportedly had

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said to her quote that he knewthat he knew these people and they knew
him, and if anything happened,he would be needed there any way to
help his people out. And inresponse, his wife told him, they're
gonna kill you. June first,nineteen twenty one, a former police commissioner

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and retired judge John Aliphant, whowas European American and who lived next door
to doctor Jackson, reportedly attempted tostop the murdering mob from shooting him.
Reportedly, mister Eliphant states, atquote, doctor Jackson was fatally shot during
the Tulsa race massacre when he camewalking towards me with his hands in the
air, saying here I am.I want to go with you. However,

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a mob of seven European American nationalistterrorists show him and two of them
shot him. One man shot hima third time after he had fallen to
the ground, and doctor Jackson blaredout and died from his wounds. Although
the murder was witnessed by the formerpolice commissioner and retired judge John Oliphant,
no one was ever charged with hisdeath, but one of the murderers was

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entified as a former Tulsa Police Departmentofficer named Brown. The other reports indicate
that doctor Jackson was gunned down bya fourteen year old teenager while surrendering at
his residence. Now, I amsure that none of you in the listening
artists knew of doctor Andrewston Jackson,and this is why I put him back
in our collected mind, so thatwe will never forget what was taken from

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us and what sociopathic politicians are nowstripping away from our history every day,
and as far as from what doctorHilliard has written, the first dynamic of
our first phase of racial domination inany people is to erase our history.
But as long as I have breathto breathe, I will ensure that we,
as a people of African descent,know our history. And so help

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me God, doctor Andrew Cheston Jacksoncan move on. Yeah, we can
move on. You're right, I'venever heard of him. Okay, all
right, move on, Doctor Harper. In country, in county, excuse
me, in counties with more blackdoctors, black people live longer. New
research what we have discussed health disparitiesamongst African American communities before. However,

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I think that in light of themost recent research regarding advances in medical care
and lower mortality rates among African Americanpatients than we need to reflect on the
past in a sankofa manner to betterunderstand our future course of actions. So
what is health disparity A Health disparitiesare preventable differences in the burden of disease,

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injury, violence, or in opportunitiesto achieve optimal health experience by socially
disadvantaged, ethnic and other population groupsand communities. Historically, African Americans are
more at risk for the following medicaldifficulties heart disease, stroke, cancer,
asthma, influenza and pneumonia, diabetes, and HIV AIDS. The Centers for

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Disease Control and Prevention says that AfricanAmericans are more likely to die at early
ages for all causes, and thatyoung African Americans are living with diseases that
are typically more common at older agesfor other races. For example, high
blood pressure is common in twelve percentof Frican Americans versus only ten percent of

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European Americans ages eighteen to thirty four. It is also common in thirty four
percent thirty three percent versus twenty twopercent of those ages thirty five to forty
And what they're saying here is thatwe're getting these diseases earlier and in far
greater numbers. In regard to diabetes, which is common in ten percent of

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African Americans age thirty five to fortynine, compared to only six percent of
European Americans of that same age group, stroke is present in point seven percent
of African Americans age eighteen to thirtyfour, compared to point four percent of
European Americans of the same age Inregards to renal disease, African Americans can

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suffer from kidney failure as much asthree times the rate of European Americans.
And I'm sure that we all haveseen the large number of dialysis facilities cropping
up in our communities. And whyis this Well, because African Americans represent
as much as a third of allpatients in the unit the States receiving dialysis
treatment for kidney failure, though theydon't represent anywhere near that proportion in our

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population. In regards to cancer,the American Cancer Society has said that for
most cancers, African Americans have thehighest death rates and shortest survival rate.
Now, recent research findings in thejournal of the American Medical Association called JAMMA,
as reported by a particular writer,says that quote the toll of racial

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disparities and health and African Americans iseven starker than we knew. That's true
both in lives loss and in enormouseconomic costs as well. From nineteen ninety
nine to twenty twenty, Black Americansexperienced one point six three million excess depths
they referred to him as excess deathscompared to European Americans. This resulted in

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eighty million years of life lost.COVID obviously widened that gap in depths even
further, and the loss was feltespecially among and older adults. Position and
researcher doctor Lisa Cooper, when askedto comment on these findings, stated quote,
I wasn't surprised, although I haveto say that I was disappointed because

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I was hoping that we would haveseen some improvement over what we saw in
the last century, and it seemslike the trends are looking pretty much the
same. I think it's important tonote that structural racism is something that impacts
all of our institutions, and soI think racism and healthcare contributes substantially to
these statistics. But I also thinkthat racism throughout all of our institutions and

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throughout all of our policies is contributingto these disparities, because really those are
the policies and practices that determine wherepeople live, whether they can get a
good education, whether they have accessto healthy food, and access to healthcare.
The social factors that are the causesof these diseases and why young African
American patients are being negatively impacted atyounger ages are related to living in poverty,

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not owning a home, inadequate accessto healthcare, the cost of health
care, lack of medical insurance,lack of education, stigma cause prohibitive effects
of trying to see a doctor,smoking, inactive inactive lifestyle, obesity,
unemployment, and racism are all underlyingcontributing factors of health inequities, along with

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poor quality of care, inadequate accessto healthy foods, limited personal and social
support systems, violence, and environmentalconditions such as poor air quality and poluted
toxic water. And what about themental health disparities between African Americans and European
American patients, in which African Americanpatients are twenty percent more likely to report

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psychological distress and fifty percent less likelyto receive counseling or mental health treatment due
to all the factors or conditions thathave already mentioned. However, on the
positive side, there is another recentstudy conducted by a team of researchers from
the Health Resources and Services Administration ofthe US Department of Health and Human Services

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that was published in the Journal ofAmerican Medical Association, and they found in
counties in counties which with more AfricanAmerican primary care physicians, there is a
higher prevalence of longer life expectancy andlower mortality in African American populations. Number
two that this is the strongest evidencefor increasing the diversity of medical workforce,

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which may be key to ending deeplyentrenched racial health disparities. Number three.
Other studies have reported that when AfricanAmerican patients are treated by African American doctors,
they are more scatisfied with their healthcare, more likely to have received the
preventative care they needed in the pastyear, and are more likely to agree
to recommend it preventive cares such asblood tests and flu shots. Number four.

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The Journal of American Medical Association researchfound that African American residents in counties
with more African American positions, whetheror not they actually see the doctors,
had lower mortality from all causes,and showed that these counties had lower disparities
and mortality rates between black and whiteresidents. Number five. Doctor Monica Peake,

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who was a primary care physician andhealth equity researcher at the University of
Chicago School of Medicine, wrote aneditorial accompanying the new JAMMA study in which
she stayed at quote that a singleAfrican American physician in a county can have
an impact on an entire population's mortalityis stunningly overwhelming. She went on to
say that it validates what people inhealth quiquity have been saying all alone,

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that the ways African American physicians areimportant, but to see the impact of
the population level is astonishing. Numbersix Doctor Michael Diddle, the director of
Workforce Studies at the Association of AmericanMedical Colleges, who was also one of
the co authors of the studies,stated, quote, this is added the
more di verse physician workforce. Whatelse could you ask for? Unquote.

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Doctor Lisa Cooper, who I previouslynoted is a primary care physician who directs
the John Hopkins Center for Health Equityand who has in the past written on
the reasons or factors as to whyAfrican American patients do better under the care
of African American doctors. She statedthat the research was groundbreaking and particularly timely
given the declining life expectancy and increasinghealth disparities in the United States in recent

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years, and that these findings toserve as a wake up call for healthcare
leaders and policymakers. Number eight.The research study began analyzing the representation of
black primary physicians within the counties morewithin the country excuse me, more than
three thousand counties during two thousand,nins and fourteen and two nineteen, which

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resulted in a stark finding, whichwas that just over half the nation's counties
had to be excluded from the analysisbecause they contained not a single African American
primary care position. The team wasable to conduct research on one thousand,
six and eighteen counties that had atleast one African American primary care doctor in

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one of the three areas in oneexcuse me, in one of the three
years that they were doing the research. They found that the much more that
much that they found that the moresuch physicians, the more we had African
American physicians in a county, thehigher the life expectancy was for African American
residents. One of the lead researchersacknowledged that these findings do not change the

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life expectancy gap between African American andEuropean Americans, which is six years,
but what it does is to providedoctors what they pathed forward towards the gap
closing with the increase in African Americanphysicians treating African American patients. The study
also found that the greatest improvement inlife expectancy were in counties with the highest
rates of poverty, and that AfricanAmerican physicians are more likely to treat low

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income and under insured patients and takingon new Medicaid patients more than any other
ethnic group of doctors. One ofthe researchers noted that quote, I wasn't
expecting that. It shows how havingAfrican American physicians is not only helpful across
the board, but it's particularly usefulwith counties with high poverty. Other research

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has found that communication is improved whenpatients and physicians are of the same ethnic
group, and one author of atwenty nineteen study named Owen Garrick found that
cardiovascular disease could be curbed more inAfrican American patients who are seen by African
American doctors because they are more likelyto engage in preventive healthcare. Doctor Owen's

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research study found that African American patientswere not only more likely to talk with
the African American doctors about personal topicsand family topics, they were also more
likely to invite these doctors. TheseAfrican American doctors to join them and their
family in joyous celebrations. But evenmore striking in his research that has shown

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impermortality rates for African American infants werereduced when they were treated by African American
physicians, and noted that doctors whoengage in stereotyping and implicit bias may play
a role when treating patients outside theirethnic groups. What is equally important is
that patients may fare better simply byliving in counties with African American doctors,

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even if they're not even seeing thatparticular doctor, and that living in a
county or African American doctor's work andthrive may be a marker for a living
for living in a community that bettersupports African American lives. African American doctors
also believe that these positive health resultsfor African American patients may be related to

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African American physicians who are engaged inproviding unpaid health related work outside of the
health care system, such as providingexpertise to community organizations, being politically involved
in health related matter, and encouragingmedical societies to advocate for public health.
Simply stated, African American physicians whoserve as unpaid professional help provide education,

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medical consultation, and by their presencein medical associations, push along with their
colleagues for more access to and forpublic health for African American people. Doctor
peakee as I reported earlier, whois an African American physician who worked with
the nonprofit organizations that help African Americanwomen in public housing to become health navigators

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and advocates. Doctor Peak reported thatthe recent study points to problems with racism
within medicine and biased towards African Americanpatients that has created a Chisholm chasm between
African American between non African American physiciansand their African American patients, and that
she is struck by the number ofAfrican American patients who approach her after she

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gives speeches or provides medical informations toan audience, and how often the African
American audience members approach her and wantto discuss their symptoms. What this means
is that many African American patients donot trust the medical service they're receiving by
positions who do not look like theydo. And we'll stop there. While
interesting interesting both topics, we aregoing to take a break, doctor Harper,

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and we will open up our phonelines if you have a question or
two about any of the information DoctorHarper about First, he told us about
the life and brute murder of physicianand surgeon doctor Andrew Chastein Jackson during the
Tulsa Race massacre. And he's alsotalking about in counties with more black doctors,

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Good morning, and welcome back tow d i A. We are in
session with psychologist mental health specialist doctorWarren Harper. And before doctor Harper,
we go to our phone lines thatyou had talked about the first topic,
the life and brutal murder of physicianand surgeon doctor Andrew Chestein Jackson during the

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Tulsa Race massacre. Never heard ofhim in my lifetime me either, me
either, But as I took alook back at the at the race massacre,
and believe me, there there's adifference between a race riot and a
race massacre. Okay, a raceriot both ethnic groups are involved in this.

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A race massacre is defined as onegroup basically massacring another group that's defenseless.
So in the race massacre, asI looked back there, a name
kept coming up and they were talkingabout the most the most valued person that
was murdered in that riot. Ikept thinking, what's the most value who

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could be as right? And theykept coming up with this brother's name because
he was such an important aspect ofthat community and the medical association throughout that
state, and since he was knownas the probably the best surgeon in this
country at that particular time. Soyeah, when I heard that, and
I saw that, and I investigatedthat, I said, let me take

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a look at this even further.Plus the fact that he was from Memphis,
that's all I'm gonna say. Isaid, he was from born and
raised in Memphis, attended Mahrry rightthere in Nashville, the Black medical schools,
right, oh my goodness, andcame back to train in Memphis as
well as went over to the Mayoclinic and showed the Mayo boys a thing
or two. Right, isn't thatsomething? That is something? Plus the

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fact that his father, who wasin the Civil War aged seven Civil War
Aged seven, basically made himself suchan important figure in Memphis history. They
don't talk about him having his ownblack militia which helped quote termol during that
pandemic that they were having the yellowfever. Yeah, back in the nineteenth

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century, and then soon as hestepped out of line, they wanted to
hang him. Keep that in mind, Black folks. You know, you
think you think everybody likes you becausethey're smiling at you. Yeah, you
got at least one out there that'sa hater. That's the one with the
rope. Be careful. I likethat history, and we think about and
I go back to think about allthese folks want to band That's right,

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Black history, African Americans, theywant to bandit. Come on, y'all,
And that's why they believe me.They'll never talk about this. No,
they'll never talk about that. Everymedical school, every medical school,
and in every hospital in this cityto have a picture of this brother up.
Yeah, because he still got theequipment that they're using in surgery right
now. I could not find anyany piece of equipment. Though it kept

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saying that he admitted the equipment.I kept looking, what equipment did he
did he actually invent? They won'tsay okay, they won't say wow,
thank you for that. The historylesson. And then we as you come
into counties with more black doctors.Interesting, we talked about doctor Jackson.
Then when you talk about doctors thatblack people live longer, live longer,

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and I believe it. Yeah,And that's why I kept quoting all the
people that were commenting, because thewords like astounding, you know, shocking,
Yeah, it you know, butit's one of those things that all
of us knew at some level.Yeah that after we get over this whole,
at this whole idea that the whiteman's ice is colder than black man's
eyes, we really feel more comfortable. Yeah, those of us who have
an African consciousness, we feel morecomfortable talking with somebody that looks like us.

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You know, I go to doctorReeves as my primary care position out
in Bartlett. Uh We I walkin the door and we chat for a
bit and it's like we're two homeboys. And then then then that there's a
code switch, right, he becomesthe doctor. Yes, I'm the patient
and I am receptive to what hehas to say because he's establish sta rapport

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with me. Same with doctor BobbyMyers when I was over there to good
treatment as well. You walk onthe door. It's nothing but respect.
We chat for a bit, wemay even chat doing some of the procedures.
But I know that he is theexpert. I treat him as such,
and he treats me as the bestpatient he's ever had. Yeah,
I agree with you, Mike.Yeah, as my primary care who is

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also my sorority sister, doctor MarcyAbouten just you know, gives you information
and yet any questions you know,and then and like you said, you
greeting. But then when it's timefor the check, the professional, it
comes out on out and we trustand I owe we trust. That's right.
Yeah, we trust. Going toour phone line, thank you all
for waiting to talk with you.Good morning to you, Beverly. Good

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morning to you, Beverly. Howare you. I'm doing well today in
yourself doing fine, And good morningto you Doctor Harbor. Good morning Beverly.
Once again, good information, goodinformation, and I'll tell you,
it makes me so proud, butit also hurts my heart when I hear

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stories like what happened with doctor Jackson. And but what hurts me most is
that when you stated that surgical equipmentsthat are being used now were invented by
him. And there are so somany inventions by black people that we don't

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even know. We're not even awareof as black people. Letting knows other
races, other races don't know.We don't know, and I think it's
a shame because we need to knowwhat we are worked. Yes, I
mean we are worth more than gold. I was some of our ancestors.

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They really paved the way for thiscountry. If you ever go to any
of the museums like the Washington DCMuseum and are any of the other museum
that gives you information about black history, you'll be amazed. You'll be amazed
at what our forefathers went through andwhat they did to make this country.

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The positive of this country. Andalso on the topic of our people living
longer when they have black doctors,I agree with that. As a medical
professional, I think a lot ofpeople, and especially our people, especially
the ones who are elderly. SometimesI be. They are kind of intimidated

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our doctors, you know, andthey don't have the knowledge to ask the
right questions, and they don't havethe knowledge a lot of times to understand
what the doctors have explained to them. And nowadays doctors are in such a
herold that there's not a lot oftime to really, you know, sit

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down and explain. One of thejobs that I had in my career that
I really enjoyed, I worked ina community health clinic and it served mainly
population was kind of you know,under it, kind of an impoverished neighborhood,
but the people got great healthcare becausethey were given grants of that sort.

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But my duty was after the patientssaw the doctors, and this was
a pediatric clinic, after the parentsand the children saw the doctors, they
had to come to me and Ihad to go through everything that the doctor
had written as far as their plans, you know, their medicines and their
treatments, and I had to makesure they understood and gave them the opportunities

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to ask questions. And many timeswhen they would get to me, they
would have questions that they did notask the doctor. Maybe they did not
you know, think of the questionat that time. Maybe they just didn't
feel comfortable asking the question, thinkingthat they're gonna look dumb or something.
But they would come to me,and I would go old things with them

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and make sure they understood their instructionsand all. But it does give you
a warmer feeling when you do goto a doctor's office and you see somebody
you know that who's treating you thatlooks like you. I mean, that's
just a natural thing. I mean, you know, those want the sound
racist or anything, but you justfeel comfortable sometimes with your own kind and

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especially if they treat you nice andwith respect, and that's the important thing.
So I believe that people that haveblack doctors they do live longer because
they have that. I think theyhave that connection. It's some type of
vibe or connection that you have thathelps you in your healing process. And

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so I believe what you said.And again, thanks again for the good
good always give up. Thank youso much, Thank you, Beverly.
All right, thank you bad halfgood day you are you two? Bye?
Bye? Chartie, Matt hey bad. How are you doing? Doctor
album? I'm doing fine, brother, I both y'all doing The day I
was I'm gonna be brief for Ihad missed like the first twenty minutes of

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the show because I'm on break ninework, and you just kind of answered
what I wanted to know when youwere saying something about a doctor that was
out of Memphis had been murdered outin the toss up Brad. Yes,
okay, And what was his nameagain, Doctor Andrew Cheston Jackson. He

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was he was forty two. Hewas forty two years old when he was
murdered um on Jane on June one, nineteen twenty one. One of you
said, he one of the bestsurgeons in the country, one of the
best surgeons in the country. Yes, yes, during that time, during
that time. What a loss,What a loss. But you know,

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it's like, uh, I lovea lot about Black history, even when
it's negative, like that riot andtussle. The little bit that I read
up on it, and you know, that's just a sad chapter, another
sad chapter in our history. Yesit is, Yes it is. You
know, that was a real sadchapter. And I think the little bit

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that I read about it had alot to do with a lot jealousy out
of the white community. That's exactlywhy I'm shorty, mat keep in mind
that that that for decades no onespoke about it. Yeah, because the
African American people have been so traumatizedthat even the thought of even bringing it
up was probably frightening to them.And this is probably a certain amount of

(38:45):
fear. Master exactly right. Yes, they came with it, and that
just a sad situation. And thenwhat's unique about this and I'm gonna be
quick, doctor happened? Bill?Uh, what's really sad about it?
When I kind of checked on thattell us a massacre, riot and all
these other cities and counting style comingup the same thing. This country's just

(39:07):
been plagued with that, that racism. So which really said, well,
look, I'm gonna say this beforeI hang up, Bill, and doctor
Hooper, I appreciate the information youalways keeping us up on a good job.
I want to send a shout outto Run in Minnesota. Always Run
called yesterday and caught my attention whenhe said, uh, well y'all be

(39:27):
careful. Uh, we got thisguy the scientists for the run for president.
And you know, I don't carefor this decentist guy like I don't
care for Don Trump. But whatI want to shout out to run.
You know, we're gonna get ridof both of them tricks at the same
time, because God gonna have somethingto do with it. You know what
I'm saying. I hear you.So y'all have a good day, and
uh take care of doctor Hop andtake care bill you too, shorty mad

(39:50):
wd Ia, Hey Marcus, Yes, be greet things and greet things so
you will doctor you know. Um. Years ago I read a book called
the USA My Large a prison.It was uttered by a gentle by Badenima

(40:13):
Robert mndc Is Harris. He alsowrote a book called Carlos Cooks and Black
Nationalism From Garvey to Malcolm. Findthat book in the library. You're not
gonna find it in Amazon, becasit cuts a road. Six to seven
hundred dollars is a small book,but it got so you go to the

(40:36):
public library and you'll get it.No, the USA My Large Prison.
What that book pointed out. Itsaid, look, the food we eat
here in this country, as blackfolks, we don't produce that food.
We don't manufacture that food. Whitefolks handle that food before they put it
out the shelf, so we don'tknow what the hell, we eat it

(41:00):
going dear took the clothes we were. We don't manufacture it. Right.
We knew that in South Africa.Those people in South Africa when the apartile
regime had um find somewhere to putsmall packs or something in the close that
was killing black folks don't in SouthAfrica. The educational system. We knew

(41:24):
that this educational system is not apoor African educational system. It actually turns
us into uh, you know,black outside, but your mind white inside.
You have a white mindset. Themedical system your pointing a deer.
Right. He component just said,did doctor don't look like us? So

(41:50):
did doctor tell you said you knowwhat you have? Um? You have
cancer? You know you may nothave cancer, but they say, oh
you got could could insurance. Sothe insurance and missed their agnos you and
make money from you and the police. The security in the country. We
know that we all have no securityas black folks here. But we'll see.

(42:15):
You see what happened to that youngman in New York where that that
marrying two came to death and thetree and that no, he has over
two million liars. It is goodfor new account So if you want to
benefit. You're strangler black man inAmerica, you know, and you'll get
you know. So with that,said doctor Harper, with the condition we

(42:37):
see going on, no, especiallyin that Florida. In Florida, were
that man, don't there burning books, burning black books? And we know
that that's the that's the way hecstarted outing on and started burning books.
They start woting black and the Jewishpeople saying that, and then the economy

(43:00):
started to decline. They listen,Oh, it's these people here causing the
proverc in our country. Who thinkswho develop into in America? Again?
Yes, and I hung up andlistening to your response, Doctor Harpe,
Thank you Marcus. My brief answeris, yes, it's happening now.

(43:21):
It's as if Governor de Santis uhCaucasian nationalists. It's almost as if he
wants Florida to be a Caucasian onlystate, a Caucasian only state. And
I'm sure that in the back ofhis mind he's thinking of ways basically come
up, come out of the UnitedStates and develop his own little calve order.
So yeah, I think it's clearto me that that he is attacking

(43:45):
uh every aspect of ethnic history excepthis own Italian and the others who have
been accepted into the so called whiterace. But when it comes to the
African Americans, when it comes toLatin Latin Americans and what have you,
when it comes to the GBTQ community, et cetera, et cetera, he
is on the attack and basically it'sgetting him a lot, a lot of

(44:06):
publicity attention. Now he's gonna haveto face up master of disaster that a
failed Trump rump guy. So hopefullythey'll slug each other each out and make
a fool of each other as theyalready are, and hopefully we will see
that and recognize that that these peopleare no people to trust and we have

(44:27):
to put our confidence in someone else. W D I a HI caller,
Hey Dad, how are you?I'm fine? Hi, Maridus had as
well, fine comments, I'm great, Thank you. Um. You know,
when I first moved out to Arkansas, I worked in the health care
for just a little while, inhome health. And I remember going through

(44:50):
this pati at home one time,and she was a double empeteue from DI
BDS. And you know, whenI was in her home, she went
to her doctor a couple of times. I guess she missed a couple of
a coortments. She said to me, I'll never forget. She looked at
me, I'm telling you. WhenI said, tears rolled down her eyes.
And she told me that her doctortold her looked at her because he
was upset with her from this insome amportments, And I get, doctor,
do want you to go to youknow, make your appointments? But

(45:13):
he said, you know, justgo ahead and dive in. He told
her just go ahead, just goahead and die. Within three months that
lady was dead. Now, Ithink it was because at that point she
did not go back. She justdidn't want to go back to looking his
face again after telling her that.And her daughter just called me within three
months and say, hey, noneeds to come back here. My mama
passed away. But last night andit just never died on me that I

(45:36):
was wondered, was that the reason? I mean, did she not go
because she just didn't feel comfortable hewas a white doctor looking him in his
face for him treating her again.And then the next point and sees it.
I know you're not a medical doctor, but you can elaborate on this.
I was wondering, why would adoctor prescribe a patient twenty five twenty
seven pills to take a day atone time. I mean, to me,

(45:57):
it just does seem logical. Youknow when I go to Pati home
and they have to take you havea pillboxing you have to take all these
pills and it's wrong. Lady,he was like, I just can't take
these pills. And then you knowthey want to take these pills or they
you know, refuse to treat youand home help. But she says,
when I take these pills, Hell, I can't move, I can't function.
I get up and I fall down. But they yet, they check
your pills every day, they wantyou to take them, but I just
again, your body cannot haund though. I mean, what you deliver your

(46:21):
kid is your heart. I understandthings help you, but why don't you
take five um yes hell for bloodpressure? And then when I asked that,
you know what it's one of themfor. They have no clue what
one of them even does? Youknow? So I'm just someone's gonna ask
that for me. How is theyeven logical to take them many pills at
one time and it destroys your body? So I just I mean, those

(46:42):
are this questions. I just wantsomeone just even think about But thank you
so much for taking my prom thankswell. Not being a physician, I
think that oftentimes doctors prescribe medications tokeep you alive, not but not to
keep you well. I see,keeping you alive means that you're existing some
time in a vegetative state, andthey believe that that's as much as they

(47:04):
can do because they see themselves aswanting to keep you alive. But if
you are alive but not but notwell enough to enjoy life, why take
fifty pills or twenty five pills.Keep in mind every pill that you take
that that is a bona fide prescribedmedication, has a side effect. Then
you take another pill for that sideeffect, and you take another pill for

(47:25):
that side effect. So before youknow it, you're taking an abundance of
pills. And keep in mind aswe age, Yeah, how you gonna
keep up with all that? WhenI'm up at that Navy base getting my
blood pressure medication? Yeah, Isee Caucasian European Americans walking out there with
bags. They have a bag ofdrugs that they're taking. Now I know

(47:45):
myself, at any time I getthat ill, I'm going to ask the
good Lord, Yeah, what amI here for this particular point, right,
because I don't think i'm actually hereanymore. My body is my body.
It may be alive, but Iam not well. Yeah, and
you're right, you're right, you'reright, Doc Harbert. I think I
agree with that, that they tryto keep us alive instead of keeping us

(48:08):
well. And then I always thinkabout when you hear you see the advertisements
on this new pill, then italways at the bottom, real little may
cause everything I'm going on? WhyI do I need to take this if
it's causing all this, that's right, I take something from my throat,
but it may cause cancer. Whatwell, why would I want to take
that? Right? And so thereforeyou give me a medication that will keep

(48:28):
me from getting cancer, But itreally can't keep me from getting cancer because
I've taken enough auth the medication tocounteract the side effects of that one at
some point makes no sense, particularlyas I mentioned with the elderly. If
I'm ninety years old, I gotall those pills to take, somebody's got
to count them out for me,exactly. I don't know which one is
to take. I'm not even sureif I'm alive or dead. I'm just
kind of looking at by being fedby somebody. Yeah, I'm being taken

(48:51):
care of in terms of my terms. Wedding on myself, defecating on myself.
I'm just alive. But am Ireally alive? Yeah? Good point.
W d a high call her,you know, hey, Chaplin commings.
How you're doing? How you doing, ship mate mate? Yeah?
Look? What are the greatest doctorsto me? Was doctor Poscia Bath,

(49:15):
who died on made the thirties.She was an optimologist. She invented the
laser to remove the cataracts. Andher motivation was because black people seem to
be the one who would get themost cataracts, and she about based up

(49:37):
on Compton and of course Harlem,and she invented that, and they did
everything they could to dissuade her notto continue that way. But she's the
first black female position to get apatent on her inventions being used. But

(49:57):
white optimologists who out discuss I'm makingtrillions diabillions. I was very invented.
You know, they called it,they put the twist and what they advertised.
But when you can get a havethe operation and the next day you're
able to go back to work witha clear vision. That's come kind of

(50:17):
an invention. It's called layers ofsurgery. It's called a I would get
to be the technical name, butbasically that we learned to use the laser
to the bablit to remove that cataractand almost such a small incision, evidently
that it healed in twenty four hoursa lamp. And I just want to

(50:38):
bring and man, the thirtieth isthe anniverse of her death. And she
died in seven to four. I'msorry, she was seventy four. He's
only been three or four years agosince she passed, and she would really
really great. I thought i'd bringit up, and I'm very quickly.
I would go and I would goto the uh I doctor there and in

(50:58):
the Navy VA. I all thatthe black female, black males whatever,
some of them hadn't even heard ofit. And he's working in the field.
Wow, and that blew. Man. Man, I'm telling you this
too. That's all I wanted tosit there, I mean, joying this
administrate of shock from whatever. DoctorJackson, though, thank you very much,

(51:19):
thanks by Prince of the Joe,say my name, say my name,
How you doing my love doing wellfriends, great doctor Hopper, how
you're the beautiful wife doing the daytoo? All right, good and good
afternoon to your callers, to yourcallers and listeners. Man, doctor Hopper.
Uh, I'm just gonna throw thisin. I got a question for

(51:42):
him, throw this in. Iwas listening to stand showing he said.
He said something so profound. AmandaGorman. And anybody know who Amanda,
she's a young lady who does Hedid the inspirational speech at President Biden's inauguration
and he made a statement that,um, now President candidate Satan, as

(52:07):
you would call him, U wantto outlaw the book. You know,
we climb in the schools. Canyou believe that? And we can believe
from him? Yeah, it's sopathetic that here's the man who's running for
president and he want to represent thecountry. Yeah, but he's but he's

(52:30):
representing just his constituents. Let's justbe honest. And you may be right.
Florida's a beautiful state. It's avery beautiful state. But we don't
need a person like him to representthe whole entire country. We don't need
another one like that. But doctorHarper, when you were speaking, you
made you were saying a lot ofthings dealing with health issues, and one

(52:53):
I need to get your interpretation exactlybecause you threw in racism on on on
our health issues, and I wantto know what part of how does the
racism play in two all of thisif you don't mind, uh simply stated,
health disparities break down into all differentcategories. But one of the one

(53:15):
of the major health disparities, well, one of the major categories is the
fact that that that that African Americanpatients are not given quality service by European
American physicians. There we're not prescribedthe type of medications that we need for
pain when we when we have pain, as opposed to the Caucasian American of

(53:36):
patients who basically have similar illnesses.So if you look throughout all the health
disparity research, racism comes up inthere because certain doctors have what they referred
to as implicit bias, which isunconscious bias. Okay, that's what I'm
getting at then, okay, okayum. I remember years ago and I

(53:57):
was reading and it stated that especiallyin the black community that and I had
read this, I've just heard this, and that black men do not go
to the doctors anyway or on ahalf percentage. So what what's been said
that black men do not like togo to the doctor anyway? The reason

(54:19):
why I brought that up if youhear the beeping in the background. The
reason why I brought that up becauseI'm saying, if racism play a part
in it, why is it thatblack men are not going to the doctor
on a regular basis. Like youand I, we go to the doctor.
At least I go twice a yearto get a physical. And with
the healthcare situation as it is,it's pretty much to me it's an open

(54:44):
door if you choose to go.I look at it this way, doctor
Hopper, You in charge of yourhealth, not the doctors, not the
nurses or anybody like that. Ifyou want to stay well, you're gonna
do what you need to do tostay well. If you want to stay
in the condition that you had,you're going to stay in the condition you're
in. Marriage has brought up agood point. I'm gonna elaborate on what

(55:05):
she said. A lot of thismedication that you're taking, you don't even
really have to take it. Imean, for the same for example,
hypertension, if you got out ineight. Well, well if you got
out in exercise and eight, wellthat alleviate some of those pills that you
don't have to take. I wantedto say this Doctor Harper and Prince Charles

(55:27):
and Prince you were saying you you, you said that that black men don't
like to go to the doctor.We we understand that and have a racism.
But also doctor Harper mentioned in presentationone of the key factors is made
because poverty, Doctor Harbor poverty.That's right, Yeah, I think oftentimes
we forget about that. Now,Prince Charles, you're You're definitely correct.

(55:52):
We aren't responsible for our own health. But as Nurse Beverly pointed out,
and as I'm trying to point outas well, if I don't trust,
if I don't trust doctor is ifthey have treated me disrespectfully, they probably
have treated me disrespectfully because they donot recognize my my my sense of personhood,
and therefore, therefore I do notchoose to go back to that particular

(56:12):
doctor. If that doctor is speakingto me in language I don't understand,
and he doesn't have the time ofthe decency to help me understand what's wrong
with my body, then I seethat sm being racist. I may see
it in that way, and thereforeI don't choose to go back. I
also, oftentimes don't have black physiciansto go to. So therefore I am
required, if I'm in certain insurancepolicies and programs, to go to these

(56:36):
white physicians who treat me in waysthat I don't feel comfortable in being treated.
So I don't go back. Nowwe need to research if that's one
of the reasons, because I don'tthink anyone's asking that question in that way,
right, Yeah, okay, andI understand that doctor, but maybe
I just speak for myself and Iwon't speak father, but I say that
I'm me been a vegeman. Igo to the BEA. I love the

(56:58):
be A lot of men don't,a lot of bedrooms don't don't care for
the Bea. But the majority ofmy doctors that I do see are going
to be Caucasians or they're gonna befrom India. Now, there have been
black doctors I've seen, but Ihave felt comfortable with it with the doctors,
even if if even if they gaveme something that I wasn't aware of,

(57:19):
but I know in my case,they explained the situation pretty well,
Uh they didn't. I didn't.I didn't view it as a racist situation,
but I know that people did that. But as I stated, and
you stay, and you say that, find a doctor that you're comfortable with,
and and and you could you canlive a health of your life.
But I know on a lot occasion, on a lot of occasions that I

(57:44):
know people right now who just don'tfeel like they should have to go to
a doctor. They just they takeit into their own hands. And when
they get all these health issues,then the next thing, you know,
they got this this on top ofthat. I don't want to be that
guy. I want to make surethat i'm I'm on the top shelf.
But you're absolutely right. I wantto spet what you just said. But
a lot of this I feel wecalled it ourselves. You know. That's

(58:07):
the way I look at it.But I do agree with some of the
things that you say. It's alwaysfailed and doctor, thank you for you
know, chiming in. I wantto I want thank you for allowing me
to speak and get my opinion out. I want to each and every one
of you to have the beautiful,bless and safe and a healthy day.
Take care of Thank you, princes, thank you, Yeah, yeah,
you know the Prince Charles talking andon itself. But again, when I

(58:30):
think about poverty, you may goto a doctor, but you may have
not have the money to buy themedicine, or you don't have the money
to go see a doctor, oryou may not even have insurance. So
why go? Come on, ifyou can't go, you can't go.
Yeah, and if you do goand you can't barely afford to buying the
medication, to many people, doesn'tmake any sense to go because you can't

(58:52):
can't follow the prescription that the doctorhas given you. Yeah, that that
that too many people. That's noteven an excuse. That's just the reality
it is, right. I hearDoctor Harper is in. We're in session.
Hold on colors and listeners. Weare talking good topics of conversation.
If you missed earlier, we talkedabout the life and brutal murder of physician
and surgeon doctor Andrew Chestein Jackson duringthe Tulsa race massacre, who was born

(59:17):
in Memphis, Tennessee, went toMaharry And also we're talking in counties with
more black doctors, black people livelonger and going to get into. Hopefully
we will do two hundred and fiftykids expelled from preschool each day. Our
African American boys, we're talking thisday, giving you that history lesson.
As always with doctor Warren Harper.We're going to the other side of the

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were in session with our psychologists mentalhealth specialist doctor Warren Harper. Doctor Harper,

(01:01:30):
we're going back to our phone linesto talk to some of our listeners.
Thank you so very much for waiting. Hi, Brenda, Hello Bell,
and doctor Hopper. This is Brendafrom Arkansas. Hey from Kansas.
Yeah, listen to you guys everyday and every week, doctor Hopper,
and I am in the medical field. I work for a well known insurance

(01:01:52):
company and I just would like yourlisteners to know when it comes time to
choose in positions providers, they havethe right to call that insurance company and
ask for an African American physicians.They do not have to stick with the
physician that the provider has chosen forthem. They have their right to choose

(01:02:12):
the race of physician that they wouldlike to. Uh uh see it makes
like you said, makes a bigdifference. Yes, So I just want
you guys to know that I appreciateyou appreciate that because I didn't know that.
So you can ask for one Brendaright, Yes, when you call
your provider, whatever provider they have, Lucross, Signal, United, whatever
team care, call the customer serviceline and the physicians are listed by race,

(01:02:37):
by demographic areas, and they canrequest female, male, African America,
whatever physician is able, Like,all right, thank you, Brenda,
great information. Well, thank youthanks for taking the call. You're
welcome. Bye bye. That's goodinformation. It is WDIA. Hi,
Karen, it's Carolyn. Carolyn.I'm sorry, I ain't Carolina. I'd

(01:03:00):
like to share an experience I hadthem. I am diabetic and I got
in touch with someone. Someone sentme to doctor Saby. I got in
touch with what actually wasn't his office, but it's his place of the place
on Third Street, and they toldme how to contact his actual location.

(01:03:23):
I did, and it was Ithink the same day that he passed,
and I got some medication or vitaminsfrom him, and of course, you
know, there's a list of whatyou need to eat, so I stuck
to that. It's pretty much likea vegetarian diet and I lost twenty nine
pounds at that time. I wentto my into coronals. She sent the

(01:03:45):
intern in first, and the internwas just side, and you hold my
cheerleader. And this is what theyteach us in schools, you know,
to get diabetics to do it.It's hard to get them to change their
eating habits. What have you?The end or chronologists came in a white
woman and she said, what thehell are you doing this? Excuse me,
and she said, I mean,you've lost a lot of web.

(01:04:06):
What's wrong. That's what I did, what you've been telling me to do
for the last eight nine years.I changed by eating gab. It's a
lost weight. And so I said, some days I don't even have to
take my medicine. Sugar is sonormal. Well, yeah, stop taking
your medicine. I said, well, I can't take it if my blood
sugar is normal. Long story short. And she took my blood pressure and

(01:04:28):
my pressure was what it had beenwhen I was in high school. It
had a fit. She cut mymedication in half, and I said,
if you do that, that's goingto make my blood pressure, my blood
sugar increased because I've got half theassistance on the days that I need to
take it. Oh, that's okay, that's fine, that's fine. If
it goes up a little, Isaid, no, it's not up on

(01:04:51):
the way to cure in my diabetes. But you say, listen. She
never answered the question. She said, listen, you can't stopped taking your
medication. I'm telling you that's notasid. But that's the point of what
you were telling me. My sheyou know, my blood pressure was good,

(01:05:12):
so she cut that medication in half, and thank you know, but
that was gonna increase my blood pressure. Anyhow, she chatted my cholesterol again
and it was from down from oneeighty one to one oh one. She
just seemed livid, like like shewas, you know, having a panic.
She called me after I got homeand she said, listen, I'm

(01:05:32):
gonna prescribe you this. I won'tsay the name of the medicine, but
for cholesterol. I said, Well, for what she said her diabetics,
cholesterol shouldn't be over a hundred,I said was one on one. Now,
don't you think if I got itfrom one eighty one to one on
one right in you know, eightnine months, it'll be down from one

(01:05:53):
o one to ninety nine in twoor three days. She never answered this
question. You're gonna have to yougonna take this and you're gonna have to
be on it for the rest ofthe life, for the rest of your
life, and I'm gonna give yousomething else for I think that was her
cluster al too, And I said, I finally got man. I said,
the hell you say. I'm notgonna be on any of this stuff

(01:06:14):
for the rest of my life.I'm getting some red yeas rice, red
yeas rice and this sudden and thosethings are dangerous. I said, they
can't be as dangerous as what you'retrying to prescribe me, given that you're
telling me I'm gonna be on itfor the rest of my life? Are
you kidding? And you're saying thatyou know they're kidney problems that result from

(01:06:34):
taking medication. She was so angry, and she she called two or three
times with different medications, both witha nurse friend of mine, and she
said, first of all, theyget paid every time they write a prescription,
and she probably had counted you asyou know you weren't gonna change,
and she she just counted you asas in her reliable flow of money.

(01:07:00):
And then she said, she's nottrying to cure you. If she cures
you, she doesn't make money.So I decided I was going to because
the next time I went to her. She the next three or four times
I went to her, my bloodpressure, my blood sugar was higher,
and I was you know, Iwas really concerned. I said, I
mean eating like I'm supposed to,and I'm exercise. Oh it's fine,
it's fine. It's no, it'snot fine. You know this is not

(01:07:24):
healthy. She kept trying to putme on whatever was the newest medication,
whatever the newest thing came out,and I refuse, and she would get
angry and we'dn't argue, and thenyou know, months later, i'd see
that medication on television if you diedor you know, lost a limb or
this that day, the other calledthis number. So I just finally accepted
she's she doesn't have my best interestin heart. I tried to join,

(01:07:47):
to move to another end of chronologist, and it's almost like they ganged up.
Oh no, we don't. Wedon't overstep each other because you're gonna
have to transfer your records from thatone. No, we can't do that.
And you know, I just learnedfrom the previous caller that I guess
I could have called my insurance companyand insisted that they get me somebody else.

(01:08:10):
But I did the same thing thatMeredith was speaking of. I just
quit going. You know, Iknew I wasn't gonna get decent, U
respectful care there, and so Ijust quit going. And of course there
were some ramifications much later. Thankgod for doctor Davis at the time time,
Bill, you know, his advicepretty much kept me from getting much

(01:08:33):
sicker than than I think I wouldhave. But um, you know I
learned. I learned the hard way, and they don't want us to read.
You know, you need to relyon me, You need to trust
me. I can't necessarily do thatif I don't feel comfortable or feel that
you know, you really do havemy best interest at heart. I hear

(01:08:55):
you. Thank you, Caroline,thank you, thank you. W D
I A hi. Ray. Youhave to know BB Johnson, Good afternoon,
Ray. How are you doing fine? Can you hear me well?
I hear you well, Thank youvery much. How you doing Doctor Harper,
Yes, sir, these days it'shard to find me and talk like

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you. You you you therapy tto to us out here. That's about
talking what you're doing and getting outthe right information and telling people not to
be scared. So we appreciate youalso, doctor Harper, I heard that
Detroit had a lot of black peopleliving there, and now they pay up

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the number two and we got moreblack people here in the Memphis I think
yesterday. I think I heard thatyesterday. Yeah, wow, yeah,
And so look like it. Wenumber do look like the powers. Note
where all the black people are locatedin the mid South, and and they
all do it. Look for themodern can you find your neighborhood? And

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I can't imagine. They say,there's a lot of black ladies dying,
uh in childbirth black ladies, AndI can't imagine here in Memphis. I
don't know the rate. I betit's a lot, probably so. But
keep in mind, the money doesnot always follow the population increases, meaning
that if there's an African American populationand we're in the majority, say or

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the largest number, the money doesnot always follow in that direction because you
have racism at the at the levelof the state, which keeps that money
in Chattanooga or not. Yes,yes, yes, yes, I understand.
But then we got black churches onevery corner, and we go to
bat the bell, and we gotall this hell here in Memphis. There's

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something wrong. There's something wrong withdoctor Harker. Yeah here you yes,
sir, bless your thank you Ray. And that's a Harvard. That's why
I say any time that the communityMason on a free health fare, yes,
go please go go, please go, right, please go to the

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health fares to get your your highblood pressure to chlesterol because they do all
that. If you don't have moneyto go to doctors, exactly, they
have professionals at those health fares,so so take advantage of that. Please
do, please do w D IA going to our phone lines. Hi
caller, Well, hello, Beth, how are you doing. I'm doing

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fine, Linda. It's may beenenjoyed two weeks. Then I'm got to
roll out tonight though. All right, sister, wello doctor Hopper are you
doing? I'm doing fine, Linda, Thank you. I'd still say you
should have been the president of theUnited States, and bright you can do
it. My hair, my hairis, My hair is great already,

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so it don't matter. Okay,my question, I'm not knocking like what
Meriton them said about the doctors nowlives. We got a lot of medical
issues and the problems that I findeven what our doctors were basically a lot

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he's been seeing. He went tosee a specialist and the medication he had
been on wasn't doing anything for himbut giving him a bill. So he
told his doctor when he went back, I'm not taking this no more.
It's not But the doctor actually gothighly upset because he refused to take that

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medicine. While you're not taking themedicine, whether it's the point of you
coming at this is one of ourdoctors, now, okay, and yeah,
he's continued telling him that you know, it's not working for me,
is giving me more problems. Butinstead of the doctors, our doctors want

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to listen to what we say.They got their minds set off, like
they said, buying this medication that, like I told, they get kicks
backs on and then not listening tothe patients to he's just finally said the
hell with it and he stopped going. But then he had the nurses call
and trying to insist that he needsto take this medicine. To this point,

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he just blocked them off the phone. And the regular doctor we go
to, which is a female,I go to her too. She was
she almost scared the pant the pitsideof mine and she would tell all your
kidneys about to fail, the oldfailure and dah blah blah blah blah.
And I'm listening to her and shetold me to take this that I've taken

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for a minute, I ain't seeingno a face that I really didn't feel
like I had a problem with mykidneys. It was just something that showed
up, I guess in the bloodwork or whatever, which ain't no telling.
But I haven't had a problem withit. But why are our doctors
They got their mind made up onwhat they want to give you, but
not really listening what you're telling them. What's all going on, which is

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that he got numerous of medical billsfrom the hospital every time they go to
them. Well, we can't dothat. You got to talk to your
primary. And when he talks tothe primary, they got their mind set
on what they're gonna set on.They're not listening. So what do you
go after that? That's probably whya lot of mail don't go to the
doctors. Doctors don't listen to him. And you know, you try to

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support your own, but your allare just as bad as the rest of
them. Yeah, we have somebad apples. We do. We do
So what do you do in thechance like that. I mean, he
probably got over four or five thousanddollars hospital bills with no insurance, and
they're just like they send them here, send them there, and it's all
just just going in the circle andnothing's been resolved to the point now he's

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in a wheelchair and can't walk atall and he can't understand up on his
own. But you keep going tothe doctor. You didn't getting anywhere because
of not listen. It's true.Yeah, so where do you go?
Yeah? I don't know. Ican't advise you. I can't exactly I
can. I'm sorry. Thank you, enjoying your vacation. Okay, former

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president by common man? Hey,you man, how are you doing.
I'm doing well, common man inyou I'm okay, I'm okay. How
you doing dot Com? I'm doingfine, brother common man? All right?
Hey, uh and again I thinkif I didn't get you, hope
that you had a nice birthday.Thank you so much. Okay, Okay,

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Hey, look, earlier you werespeaking Tom about racism, and I
think I think you mentioned that thatAndrew Jackson was murdered. People witness the
murder, but no no charges werebrought forward. So that made me think
about, Uh this story I sawthis past weekend on on Court TV,

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and it goes back to and Iwant to ask you if you remember in
this if you could speak about it, because some of it I don't remember.
But backing and cease to food,President Johnson signed the vote is right
at Uh, people down in Mississippi, you know, came together and prepared
to become people they were able tovote. There were some people, some
other African Americans that traveled from NewYork down to Mississippi to join in with

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them and to just kind of cometogether to prepare them, uh in in
voting. Yeah, right right,And so you had the clue Plug clan.
There was president there uh during thosetimes, and uh, they just
went on on a kind around pagejust simply because President Johnson had given the

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right to vote to black people VotesRight Act, and they begin to just
just ramm to kill people, saidthe churches on fire, burned black people
homes down, these of that nature. Then there was a case where two
of the guys that came from NewYork had been taken to jail some other
police officers that were clansmen along withsome of the guys on the FBI there

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were clansmen. The police officer andin seventeen of his listenens chase these guys
down after being released from jail andjust pump blank shot him. He killed
him, took one, buried himalive, buried him alat, had a
guy waiting on the board. Thoseare deg in the whole while they were
chasing them down preparing to kill them. This all was playing a pla and

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this went on over and over again. And so the reason I was saying
that I won't speak about voting inracism going back to when we think our
vote is not important, when wethink protest is not important. You know,
when I think about stuff like thisthat happened, I wasn't even born.

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But to note that this stuff happened, to read this short, to
see these different documentaries, it's heartfelt and it don't feel good right,
you know, But to be aworried discount of stuff we got to take
voted and all that stuff and racismand all this stuff very seriously because it
was live being and just live now. But I was just wondering, did
you remember any of this stuff relatedto this scenario, and if you could.

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Could you just speak a little bitabout it? That's where I want
to know, all right, thankyou, comming man, quite frankly,
comming man, I don't. Insixty four, I was fourteen years old,
and uh, I was doing everyother thing but trying to pay attention
to what was happening, you know. But what I will do, I
will look into that, so hopefullyanother time I'll be able to speak about
it. Yeah, doctor Harper,I know you got to get out of

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here. But as we talk aboutand this, I think people are interested.
When we talked about in counties withmore black doctors, black people live
longer. Some things you want tosay about that, well, will you
go? You know, the biggestpart of that is the fact that that
that our younger people are developing illnessesthat usually occur and older right, right,

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And it does have something to dowith what we're putting in our bodies,
but also to do with significant amountof stress that these young people are
under. And we need to havephysicians that we go to that we can
trust because the more trust we havein that position, the more we are
inclined to do what they're recommending usto do. And that's not always giving

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us a bunch of medication. It'sgiving us medical education, however first and
then persuading us due to their medicalopinion and their advice to take certain medications
and hopefully we will basically live longer. That's what I think. All right,
thank you doctor Harper for the lessonstoday. Hold on, callers,
We'll still talk to you. Fivethree five nine three four two is our

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number one eight hundred and five zerothree nine three four two will get you
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to the Bev Johnson Show. Here'sBev Johnson. We've been talking about in
the counties, we met more blackdoctors. Black people live longer. We're
talking about that and session with doctorHarper. Before that, he talked about
the life and brutal murder of physicianand surgeon doctor Andrew Chessteine Jackson doing the
Tulsa Race massacre. Doctor Harper said, sorry, he had to leave,

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he had an appointment. But wewill get these last calls and talk to
you, so thank you so verymuch for waiting. W D I A
Hi David, Good afternoon, mymost beautiful African Violet. How are you
doing today's sister. I'm doing well, David. How are you? I'm

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doing what? He had to leave, David, he had to leave in
an appointment. Oh he's gone.Okay, he's bad. Well, look
better next time. I'm gonna listento y'all podcast, because if I had
not started listen to y'all about twelveo'clock, I would have went on and
bought that Fride ticket from that conveniencestore I was. I had my mind
set all listen to y'all. Isaid, exactly, exactly. Look,

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I've been sit off the all forthe last week, so as I feel
better that I go anyway. Yeah, but good information. I'm gonna listen
to the first half on the podcast, Thank you, sister. Yeah,
because what I heard was very,very very interested. I didn't hear the
part about the doctor murder. Yeah, and didn't know that he was one

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of the best surgeons of that time. And from boorn in Memphis went to
my Harry yeah graduate, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I look forward.
I look forward to that as well. But you know what I say
this not be out of here,um anytime there that when crank cocaine was
on the street, it was acrime problem. And when it comes on

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the street these uh what do youcall it, they suddenly it's a it's
a health problem. We ought tobe clear about about what's going on in
America. We really ought to beyou know at this point and come and
come together and support each other anyways, to love you, love you,

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Thank you, David. And father, Oh what are you doing? I
don't know father being ah, I'mstanding doctor. I had to get out
early, but I was gonna callit and until my uh, my health
experience, you know. I wentto the doctor in nineteen eight, uh

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and uh, I had a carpertoneone of my left arm. Feel like
you somebody was snatching on it witha bulldodes or bulldoz. It was so
painful, and I went to Idon't see what he know, and he
gave me some medication that uh throughmy blood work cost That's what I'm I'm
I'm I'm seeing cause I went towhen I told him, he told me

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get off pork and all that,and I told him, Man, they
ate a peak. But what whatyou do is that one peak putting messed
up my blood worked that bed steeland uh he gave me some medicine.
And that medicine, man, itmade me so sleepless. Somebody to pay
my bills that gonna be taking it. So anyway, my belief of pressure

(01:24:56):
medicine, it's so it's a Iwant to angler go fishing through that hook
out there and he catch just putting, really catch that fishing and really mean
that's what the medication. Uh bluecloths, I know, Yeah, the
medicine. Yeah, and some ofthem suffer with infortant problems after that.

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But uh, partland, it willgive you a stroke if you take that
stuff for two years, then tryto get up off. Man, it
will give you a stroke so bad. A deefly and my cousin man,
the boy walked so tough it seemedlike he needs his uncle headpen walk across
the street so so I'm I'm,I don't. I don't mention no medication.

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Last medication was like, uh whattwenty two twenty five years ago,
since I would even go to adoctor. And I don't. I don't.
I don't trust doctors. And uhand and and and they don't do
no good to try to get ablack one cold. All of them going
on the same system. All ofthem got cardinals to pay. You know
what, I'm I hear your father, I hear you. I hear your

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father. Okay, I hear yourfather. All right, that's a that's
a bad system to go to.I use my own medication. I know
you do. I know you do. I know you do. Father.
And being I feel good, Imean I feel good. I don't have
no problem feeling bad. Non okay, well good. You know I make

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our own medication. You know.For myself, I do good. I
think I do good. I'm gonnatrying to be at a lazy peace part
of tonight. Get my squirrel on. What's a little bit. Okay,
thank your father, your crazy selfabout father. Father always makes me laugh.

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Yes he does, Yes he does, yeah, yes he does.
Hope you got the information today withdoctor Warren Harper. He will be back.
If you missed it, you canalways go to our podcast this afternoon
and get all the information in oursession with psychologists mental health specialists Doctor Warren
Harper. Thank you, Doctor Harperfor being here, and don't forget as

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father said, Yeah, we'll berocking tonight at the Rocking Chair. Ella
J. Eccles is special guests withMemphis own a Terry Harris. We'll be
in the house. Showtime starts ateight o'clock and yeah, we're gonna celebrate
Lady PE's birthday. Happy birthday,Lady p sweet Lady peas she said,
wishing you many many many many manymany more to come. So we're rocking

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tonight at the Rocking Chair. Letus see y'all phase in the place as
we kick off the Memorial Day holidayweekend. Here we are here, we
are here, We are Thank youcallers, Thank you so much listeners for
joining us this day on the BEVJohnson Show. We do, we really

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