In Session with Psychologist Dr. Warren Harper

We're "In Session " with Psychologist and Mental Health Specialist Dr. Warren Harper on The Bev Johnson Show on WDIA Radio.

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two hundred and fifty kids expelled frompreschool each day are black boys. Racism
and overstressed teachers. Help explain highexpulsion rates for black preschool boys and the
takeover of the Jackson, Mississippi policeleasing systems, the courts, and the
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Good morning and welcome back to wd I A. I'm Bev Johnson.
Good to have you here this Thursday, June one, twenty twenty three.
Let's get into session with our psychologist, mental health specialist, doctor Warren
Harper. Good morning to you,Doctor Harper. Good morning, bab and
good morning to the listening audience.How you doing this this beautiful sunshiny day

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it is. It's plenty of sunshineout there, and believe me, I
think we all who are under thesun need to get out there and get
some of that vitamin D. Yougot that right, That's right well,
doctor Harper. We have a topicsthis morning and let's get into it again.
I will repeat our topics for today. Half of the two hundred and
fifty kids expelled from preschool each dayare black boys. Racism and overstressed teachers

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help explain high expulsion rates for blackpreschool boys, the takeover of the Jackson,
Mississippi policing system, the courts,and the voting rights of its majority
African American residence. Well, puty'all ears on and get ready to listen
and get ready to talk, doctorHarper. Okay, bev. What I

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like to do first is is takea brief moment of silence for the Tulsa
Race massacre victims who were murdered byvicious and envious European American racists on May
thirty first through June two thousand.Excuse me nineteen twenty one, one hundred
and two years ago. Today,a brief moment of silence, please,

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Okay? Half of the two hundredand fifty kids expelled from preschool each day
are black boys. The person Janestate Nick. She's a family resource specialist
at the Parent Education and Advocacy LeadershipCenter in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The caller
to Jane the parents of a threeyear old biracial boy. The reason the
three year old boy had been expelledfrom school due to repeated incidents of engaging

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in disruptive behaviors such as throwing objects, not following directions, refusing to sit
at circle time, and periodically runningfrom the classroom. The reaction of miss
state nick quote. This is typicaldevelopment preschool behaviors, especially for a child
with the speech impediment. But theproblem is what is it the child,
the parents, the teachers, theschool administration, lack of teacher training regarding

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real world preschool childhood disruptive and challengingbehaviors, or is the problem really about
childhood trauma and the lack of appropriateclinical intervention inside and outside the classroom.
Let me first point out that thebehaviors that I have just spoken of,
that these are exhibited by three tofive year olds, are the behaviors exhibited

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by many preschool children that I haveworked with along with many dedicated Headstar teachers
and sometimes parents while working with theHeadstar programs here in Shelby County. So
I do have clinical expertise and aprofessional opinion regarding this topic. But let
me go first move on to furtherinform the listening audience about this crisis situation.
What I have known for some timeis that nationwide, preschoolers are expelled

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at a rate that is around threeand a half times of kindergarten through twelfth
grade students, and that the rateis much likely higher because private preschools can
self report their expulsions are much lesslikely to present accurate numbers. What I
also knew is that more African Americanboys are expelled or suspended than any other

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ethnic group. What I did notknow is that two hundred and fifty children
in the US are suspended or expelledfrom preschool each today, and according to
research in two twenty one, seventeenthousand preschool students were suspended or expelled nationwide,
and that half half, eight thousand, five hundred were Black boys,

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even though they represent about twenty percentof the enrolled population. Research from studies
conducted and information obtained from the annalsof the New York Academy of Science found
out that teachers tend to complain moreabout African American students, particularly African American
boys. Futures identified African American students'behavior as more problematic compared with European American

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students. Doctor William Gillam, executivedirector of the Buffet Early Childhood Institute at
the University of Nebraska has used eyetracking software to follow where teacher's eyes looked
while they were primed to seek outbad behavior in the classroom, and teachers
were more likely to track African Americanboys and in general seem to expect more

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disrupted behaviors out of these boys.Doctor Gillen was quoted to say, quote,
when you're looking for bad behavior,eventually you'll find it, and you'll
also more likely to miss problematic behaviorsthat are coming from places that you don't
expect. Ute research is shown thatwhen an African American child is responsible for
the exact same transgressions or rule violationsas one carried out by a European American

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child, they are much more likelyto be expelled, and they're also much
more likely to fight back. Butoftentimes parents resort to just removing the child
from what they see as an environmentwhere their African American child is not wanted.
Research conducted in Greenville, South Carolina, by the Institute for Child Success
Report dated back in December twenty eighteen, found that preschool expulsion predicts leaving school

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prematurely at later grades. Young childrenthat are expelled or suspended are as much
as ten times more likely to dropout of high school, experience academic failure
and great retention, hold negative schoolattitudes, and face incarceration than those who
are not. An early expulsion reinforcesan education gap between African American boys and

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European American boys. And what doesthis do to the parents of African American
boys who are repeatedly suspended or expelled. These parents experienced severe negative emotional and
financial consequences impracting their impacting their dailylife routines and family dynamics. And these
parents, out of desperation, aremore likely to send their recently expelled sons
and daughters because daughters are involved inthese two to unsafe, unlicensed childcare providers.

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So Bell there's eighteen states, includingTennessee and Illinois, which have banned
preschool expulsions, but doctor Katherine Zinser, author of the book entire quote no
longer welcome the epidemic of expulsion fromearly childhood education Unquote, says that preschool
officials will find other ways to removekids, either by badgering their parents until

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they remove them on their own,reducing the days the kids are allowed to
attend, isolating children from their peers, or placing them in other programs.
Doctor Zinser also focuses on what needsto be addressed, which is quote the
amount of stress teachers are experiencing,which she calls a predictor of expulsion.
She goes on to state that manyteachers harbor implicit racial bias or unintentional racial

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bias that impacts their judgment and decisionmaking, and their impaired judgment and decision
making is most glaring when teachers areoverstressed and unsupported. She also cites class
size and notes that when class sizesare smaller, the teachers have much more
time to engage with their students,meaning that things don't escalate to an expulsion
nearly as fast. Also, teachersreported more job stress were responsible for initiating

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more expulsions. So say, asa March twenty two study published in the
Journal of School Mental Health, westated that teachers stress predicted a higher expulsion
rate for children of color. Sowhat is being recommended and in some cases
already being implemented to stop the expulsionof preschool children and African American preschool children
specifically? One prevention strategy involves empathytraining. Empathy training where teachers learn about

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the personal lives of their students andthe students family. They learn of the
trials, tribulations, and traumas thatthese children have experienced, and as a
result, this leads to having empathyfor these at times behaviorally hurting preschool babies,
and with empathy comes to more patientsand a different understanding of the child's
disregulated classroom behaviors, along with moreof a willing and informed attitude regarding the

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developmentally flawed behaviors that are being exhibitedin the classroom. Another strategy is to
provide teachers and assistant teachers support theyneed in the classroom. But the bigger
problem is the fact that there areone hundred and seventy thousand, one hundred
job openings for teachers and teacher assistanceprojected each year of the next decade,

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along with smaller class sizes. Sothe path forward seems to be one of
further expulsions, further parental distress,and the furthering the school to prison pipeline.
Now, in my opinion, weneed mandatory basic parenting classes with the
focus on social emotional development so thatthe parents of these behaviorally hurting and socially

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underdeveloped preschoolers can be taught and shownhow to develop a close, nurturing,
loving, soft hands on, anddiscipline oriented engagement style with their preschoolers.
But it also involves re educating parentson how not to traumatize their children with
adverse childhood, negative and abusive experiences. Nor more name calling, aggressive corporal

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punishment, but more teaching of prosocial behavior as well as exhibiting the body
language necessary to convey that as aparent, you expect your child or children
to abide by your rules and wishes. You also teach parents to stop reinforcing
irresponsible and aggressive behaviors at home andin the classroom. Parents must model for

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their preschooler that they want them toenjoy being taught as well as abiding by
classroom rules. Parents have to makelearning fun and that includes learning the curriculum
that preschool teachers are teaching. Butalong with parents teaching a love for learning,
these parents have to take away socialmedia as much as possible and replace

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it with parent involvement like we hadin the old days, when parents made
time for and with their children,played along with their preschool child, taught
a son and daughter how to rollescape, catch a ball, ride their
bikes, dressed with appropriately fitting clothes, modeled, the use of kind words
of encouragement for behavioral mishaps, anda heavy dose of emotional regulation training.

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A time when parents taught their childrenhow to manage their frustration and anger and
how to settle conflict peacefully. Yes, even at ages three to five years
old of development, it's never tooearly to teach a child to share,
to not hit or hurt others,to say please and thank you, to
only throw balls, not furniture,and to teach that behaviors, all behaviors

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have consequences. And another reason forteaching parents basic parenting skills is that far
too many parents, both African Americaand European parents have also been victims of
traumatizing abuse physical, psychological, emotional, and sexual during their childhood and at
less than years, and so parentsalso need to get the counseling help that

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they need so that they can beemotionally balanced and composed, and so they
can keep their children safe from traumaticsituations that are at the heart of the
problem regarding most behaviorally troubles preschoolers,and these parents need to see to it
that traumatized children are treated by traumatraining and culturally aware African American mental health

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professionals. Let's take a break there. Let's take a break, and the
break is I have some questions Iwrote down. Okay, the first one
you talked about, doctor Harper.So are you saying or the author saying,
is that there's a lot of stressamong teachers today, a lot of

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stress amongst teachers, and that stresstends to increase their focus on children who
are engaged in disruptive behaviors, andoftentimes that focus becomes engaged more so at
African American boys than other children inthe classroom, and as a result,
those are the children that end upbeing expelled or suspended over and over for

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the same kind of behavioral rule violationsthat European American boys may exhibit. But
basically will it be looked over?So the stress from the teachers are are
the teachers that are stress? Arethey both African American and European teachers?
Are just the European teachers who areare stressed out? Excellent questions. You

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know, research doesn't like to putthose kind of things in there all the
time, right. I'm sure thatthis research was probably done on European American
teachers, not African American teachers,although it is not to say that African
American teachers do not become overstressed anddo not engage in behaviors that may be
more critical of black boys and blackgirls. But still, I'm sure that
this research was conducted primarily with Caucasianor European American teachers who basically engage in

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more unconscious bias and implicit racial biasdirected at black boys. Okay, my
next question, you talked about thereshould be empathy training as a psychologist.
Yes, in your schooling and allin all the workshops you've gone to in
certification, did you get empathy training, doctor Harper, No, no,

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no, no, no, no, no no no. And believe me,
when I first when I first sawthat and I first heard about empathy
training, I thought, well,okay, it's good that a teacher knows
the student well enough, the childwell enough, and their parents well enough
to have some understanding about this child'sbackground and where they live and how they
live to a certain extent. Butyou and I both know having that knowledge

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may last that long when it comesto a child misbehaving consistently or repeatedly,
because at some point there's there's gonnabe a frustration level reached whereby it is
irregardless of who raised them, howthey were raised them, what have you.
You're still frustrated as a teacher.You're looking for your your principle or
your program manager to do something aboutthis. And it seems that if there's

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no health available, even from themental health field, because when it comes
to three to five year olds,as I can attest to most of the
information out there in regard to workingwith these children, and I'll mentioned a
little bit about this, next requiresyou or the desirous for you to pull
the child out of the classroom anddo individual work. You and I both
know that if a child is beingdisruptive in a classroom but loves to be

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pulled out because they get individual timeand attention and play, therapy and counseling
without you, the child is notgoing to change when they go back in
the classroom. That's the stupidity ofwhat they do, of what places do.
Okay, you do not pull thesekids out necessarily for thirty minutes where
they love to come. All thekids I pull out, they love to

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be out of the classroom because they'regetting one on one attention. They're also
doing play and productive kind of things. We're also trying to put in there.
You know, how you're supposed tobehave and what do you what should
you say if someone gives you something? You say thank you? When you
know it's not good to hit teachersnot other children, and what should you
do with you're all that is apart of what you're doing for those thirty
minutes. But believe me, oftentimesthose children not want to go back to

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that classroom because in the classroom iswhere all the commotion is stirred up,
particularly if this child has a historyof being traumatized. Maybe the class environment
itself is too overwhelming. Maybe beingtoo close to other kids is overwhelming and
in frightening. Maybe this child walksinto the classroom each morning with a sense

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of fear or a sense of threat, and therefore walks in with a fight
or flight attitude towards being in thatclassroom. Maybe this child is overly sensitive
to a teacher that that has todeal with nineteen other children doesn't have time
to deal with them. Maybe thischild is basically already wired wired to be
unable to sit still, calmly andwhat have you because they've been traumatized.

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But no one has really taken alook at the trauma, although they claim,
you know, we're doing. Wehave a trauma sensitized classroom and the
teacher's gone through training. Believe me, you have to you have to do
more than just change the environment ofthe classroom to deal with the child has
been traumatized. You have to workwith the child individually in psychotherapy. Okay.
Also pull the parents in the willbecause trauma does not go away just

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because you've made the classroom better orbecause you've given teacher's empathy training. It
does not stop. That's our ignoranceabout this working with this population. And
and and is that what is that? How they came up, doctor Harper,
Where you're talking about three to fiveyears old, is when they we
came up. We used to hearall the time time out or is that

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different from this well well time welltime out in it self? It is
a procedure or technique or strategy thatthat's been out for a long time,
okay, And it's for many parents. It's ues through from probably from around
ages three, maybe even two,up until maybe even preteens. You know,
whether they basically tell the child orthe or the adolescent time I'll take

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a time out, you know,which means get out of the environment that
they're in, you know, godo something else, Go sit in your
room, you know, separate yourselffrom what it is that that you're involved
in, and maybe think and cooldown. But time out usually you're not
going to see that in a classroomsituation. And if you do, you
know, it's it's probably not notthe best thing to do because where are
you timing them out too? Okay? Yeah, do you do timeout a

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child out the classroom? Well,believe me, if the classroom has becomes
become disturbing to me, if Idon't like being in that classroom, I
love time out if I'm outside theclassroom, in the principal's office or in
someone else's office by myself getting somepersonalized attention. So timeout is not is
not necessarily effective whatsoever. You alsotalked about I'm taking my notes. That's

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good parental training. You talk aboutthat parents need to have more parental training.
Should that training come before a personas a parent, doctor Harper,
I would surely like that to happen, you know, quite frankly, you

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know, since since schools aren't teachingmuch else. Maybe they need some high
school courses on parent parenting. Maybewe need high school courses on parenting as
opposed to trying to teach them,you know, trigonometry and all the things
that given of these children do noteven deal with. Well, maybe we
need to start it there. Andalso what about the parents who who who
do bring their children to HIT startprograms. Maybe we need to have some

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kind of parent parent training for themprior to their child actually being accepted into
the program. Now, you know, federal government and all that may be
against that kind of that kind ofmaneuver, but I think it's important that
when children come at three years old, number one, many of them are
not ready to be separated from theirparents at three at three, So therefore
that could be part of the bigproblem that this child is just so terrified

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being away from mom or dad orbig mom and what have you. So
that could be part of the problem. But maybe those three year old shouldn't
be there. If that's the case, maybe maybe there needs to be that
kind of a discussion during parenting thatif you believe that your child is not
going to be able to adjust,then maybe waiting a little while longer,
or getting more parent training to helpyour child to be able to separate from

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you and to peacefully and calmly gointo a classroom and love being around all
the other kids and the play andwhat have you. So you talked a
couple of weeks ago, we talkedabout social media, which it was a
powerful topic, and you mentioned socialmedia today. Are you saying, these
children three to five, they're onsocial media now? And I know,

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doctor Harp, I see a lotof young children three to five who already
had their little tablets and all theirplay and I'm thinking, they know how
to work work that stuff that Ican't even work. That's exactly right.
And now they will show because Ithink about one of my little nieces will
show me how you do that?Well, they know how to do that.

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If I'm reading the book now calledStolen Focus. Stolen Focus, Okay,
social media steals the focus away fromeverything else. Now with those little
kids that you saw on those devices, yeah, try and experiment, take
it away from and see what happens. Take it away from and see what
happens. You're gonna you're gonna getan outrage, yes, because they become
so addicted to that right that hasbecome their parents. Wow, it's become

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their parent. They love it.They also can control it, oh,
yeah, can control it. Sotherefore they can push the right bells and
buttons and whistles and have to getall the sounds and get all the things
that they want to see on it, which is what parents should be doing
with their child, spending the timewith their child, helping their child to
develop patients and understanding and to developsaying thank you and please, and to

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not throw anything at anybody at anytime or hit adults, to pay attention
in the focus. We have aproblem with focusing, now, yes we
deal. The author of the bookStolen Stolen Focus talks about ADHD, and
you know how that's been so misdiagnosedbecause these kids just cannot focus. And
everyone thinks, well, maybe it'sbiology. Maybe you know this that well,
it's probably an environment we have tobasically take. You know, if

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you think about it, if youlook in the backseats of many cards that
where parents have children, the parenthas already given their phone because to the
small child when they're driving, right, So what is that child gonna do
see at that point the child had. The child is interested in doing what
mama or daddy's doing, so theystart pressing buttons or maybe the paramede'su to
press a button there too, andthen they'll splore a little bit more and

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press more buttons, and all ofa sudden, You're right, they know
more about their phone better than youand I do. Yeah, it's amazing,
It is amazing. But it showsyou how smart they are, yeah,
and how and how when when,how when they focus? They can
they can be creative, they canbe they can also be quiet, yeah,
and they can also be be veryengrossed in what they're doing, which

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is what you want them to dofor certain times when you're in preschool or
in school period, to be engrossedin what you're doing and to love to
learn. Yeah, because dot typerI think, I think about little niece.
Are just just smiling here, andshe's I'm bad if you have a
wildfire? What's your WIFFI what's yourWiFi passwords? I didn't know and I'm
looking like what I said, well, goldstairs, it's it's on the box,

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that's right, And she put iton the I'm going like, I
don't even know how to do thatstuff. My wife and I give our
phones to our ten year old granddaughterwhen we say that there's a problem.
Right, I don't know who taughther. She was self taught. Again,
you know, so their little geniuses. You see, if if the
focus is not where it needs tobe, right, then all that genius,

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all that genius behavior gets mixed upwith frustration, and before you know
it, it's challenging behavior. It'sdisrupted behavior. It's angry behavior. Yeah,
it's assaulted behavior. Yeah, yeah, you're right. It's amazing.
We are talking this day. Weare talking. Doctor Warren Harper is in
the house. Let me tell youour topic of conversation. Well, he'll

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have several topics. Half of thetwo hundred and fifty kids expelled from pre
school y'all each day? Or blackboy is racism and overstretched teachers help explain
high expulsion rates for black preschool boys. And we'll talk about the takeover the
Jackson, Mississippi policing system, thecourts, and the voting rights of its
majority African American residents. You havea question or two for doctor Harper,

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everyone, And we're talking with psychologists, mental health specialists, doctor Warren Harper,
Doctor Harper, before we go toour phone lines. Continue. Okay,
So, now what happens when parentsare doing the best that they can
do, following most of the strategiesand suggestions already mentioned, and their preschooler

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or elementary school age child continues toengage in behaviors that are defiant, break
rules, become aggressive towards his fellowclassmates, disrupts the classroom environment, destroyers
furniture, and assaults her or histeacher. What next? Well, a
man named doctor John Lutlace Lovelace,who was the head of Shelby County head

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Start many years ago, came upona bright idea, and that was not
to hire teacher assistance, but tohire women with no formal teaching experience eight
in number. How do I know, because I was the one that educated
and trained them to work one onone with these emotionally troubled and hurting preschoolers,
to shadow the child, befriend thechild as an adult friend, to

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engage in behavioral guidance over rule violating, and destructive behaviors, and to provide
these children with the love which theywere not getting, the support which they
were not getting, the behavioral structurethey were not getting, the soft handed
discipline and re education regarding right andwrong behaviors to display in class, and
the reparenting that these hurting preschoolers sorelyneeded. Again, these behavior support assistants

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were not teachers. They did nothave any degrees, nor college experience,
nor any special powers that brought aboutappropriate behavioral change. They were just told
to be present with the preschool anddevelop and use the only strategy that could
break the cycle of aggressive and violentbehaviors, which was a commitment to work
diligently with this one child to instillwith them this child that he or she

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was valued, loved, protected fromharm at school. These behavior support as
systems consistently rewarded socially appropriate classroom behaviorsand work through the emotional traumas that these
children were going through and living throughby being present, being playful, being
polite, and being physically close tothem. What these preschoolers did not need

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is to be taken out of theclassroom and treat it like their wounds of
physical sexual emotional and psychological abuse,and other averse childhood experiences could be resolved
by thirty minutes with a child psychologist, or thirty minutes of play therapy with
a counselor, or thirty minutes witha special educator or being a trauma sensitive
classroom, they need a behavior supportassistant, and for those who continue to

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be in pain, they needed parentswho participate in personal counseling themselves and at
times with the nurture with the hurtingand traumatized child in the counseling session with
them in effort to change the entireparenting system and their attitude towards their child.
Our best opportunity to intervene in atroubled parenting situation and with an equally

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troubled and traumatized child is through parentre education and recognizing that far too many
parents are hurting as well due totheir own unresolved and hidden childhood traumas.
Hurt people, hurt people, andhurting traumatized children grow up to be emotionally

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troubled and still hurting Adults with ahurting child inside, Wow, We'll go
to our phone line. Doctor Harperfive three five nine to three four two
one eight hundred and five zero threenine three four two. Morning to you,
mister James, Good morning to yourbro the good morning, doctor Harber.
How you guys doing very well?Great subject, Doctor Harber, Great

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subject uh at four. As ourpreschool, I didn't I didn't realize that
the exportuonary amongst black children were ourpreschools. I thought they would be older
teenagers. So that's something that Ilearned that our preschool, that our preschools
are being expelled to just like justlike the older student. But when we're

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dealing with our children, first thingI would choose are very smart. They're
very very smart, and they pickup on everything. You got to treat
every child the same. I mean, if you're gonna have that child in
that classroom, you can't you know, you can't single out a child being
better than than another child. Yougot to treat them all the same because

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just like I mean the same thingabout by young animals. If you get
around an animal, I don't wantto go in the sense how you feel
about them. So you can teachthem one thing and then do something that's
that's different, but they'll see itbecause they'll know that you that you're phony,
and you got to be real withwith with with our children. We

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got to be real with our children, and a lot of us are not
real with our children. And Ihave a question to ask you about white
Haven High. But I just wantto say something about that jack Seville Police
department. They all should go.I mean a cop shot of eleven year
old kid just walked out the doorto instead of put your hands up,

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put your hands down, to doanything, just shot him. So yeah,
you give me what was that inthe Was that in the special district
that they that surrounds the Capitol building? Because I think those are the police
that shot the boy. I maybe wrong, though, but going I
think you might be right because Ijust called a bit of it. You
know, they get on different newssources, but I just called a bit

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of But they should shut it downanyway, because that's the best they got.
I'll do without them. Now.The question I want to ask you
every child in our school, andlet me say again, our children are
smart. Our children listen to whatwe're what we're saying, and what we're
doing, and if it's different,if what we're doing is different from what

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they're saying, we're confusing our children. We're not honest with our children.
So white Haven High I just foundout, for the last two years they
invite that that clansmens of a GovernorBill Lee down there at white Haven High
to speak at that commencement. Now, every child in school across this country

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know what these Republicans are about,putting guns on the street so they so
they can get killed in their schools, so they can get killed in the
streets. So they're attacking their littlegay friends, their little trans friends.
But yet these old plantation type blackpeople are going to bring that clansmen down
there to speak to these young blackchildren that Whitehaven High. Now, now

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I think it was Channel three newsinterview one of the women and said whether
she think about that, She said, it's a privilege. Well, she
doesn't know what the word mean orshe's not telling us what bal lead that
clansmen is doing for Whitehaven High.Oh, white Haven, So how does
that affect you know, when youwhen you teach children everything, you know,

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cheating one thing, but you goout and do do the option of
what they don't lack. So howdoes that affect the child when you you
know, when you teach one thingand you go out and show them something
different. And I'm going to hangup and I'm going to listen to and
thank you guys for taking my call. Thank you, mister James. Well,
what I wanted to find out iswhat are the demographics? What what

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what? What's the ratio composition ofWhite Haven from predominant African American or not?
I don't know, I'm not youare irregardless. You know, active
active parenting is all about basically approachingthe school system and basically saying who you
want to see represent represented at atthe graduation. There's no reason why any

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high school in the city limits ofMemphis should have to invite anyone that many
people may maybe object to that personcoming. You know, there's there's no
reason why we cannot have very intelligent, very socially active, and very astute
African American speakers at graduation ceremonies.And believe me again, if parents think

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that it's a problem, then parentsneed to get off there behind and to
do something about it and talk tothe principal, talk to the principle and
protests and make sure that if youdon't want Governor Lee there, because you
know Governor Lee has signed the billso that every adolest and can have a
gun, and the ones who can'tare old enough they're breaking a car and
steal one. Then hell, ifyou think that what he's doing is racist

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and that he is a clansman,that's that should be your protest, and
you should not protest. You stopprotesting until you get your way. W
D I a brother, omar,Yeah, good afternoon now, doctor Harper.
Good having you around. Brother,You're the best teach our hands since
nat Dale Williams. Thank you.That symbolism of imagination whips that Bobby had

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and the brother did it this morning, that's just symbolism, that's not it's
not going to affect some young thirdsout there. They laugh at that and
probably don't even listen to our Stateour Grace station. I hope some people
live, young blood listen to ourregular station. My main thing is for
these uh uh you call these democrats, Republicans or whatever you are bringing back

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the military draft at to get himoff the street. And the end of
the always say shoots back. Youhear me, young caws, they shoot
back. Maybe Robert maybe Governor Leeis a relation to Robert E. Lee.
Now I'm going to hang up andlet you have the rest coming on

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what I said about armed forces andRobert E. Lee and Governor Lee.
You never know, but I'm gonnahang up and listen at your comment.
Brother, Thanks for being there forus. Thank you, brother Omar.
I was talking with a young manearlier this morning, and my and my
question after after hearing about a lotof disconnects in his life, was you
know, have you have you thoughtabout the military now. I didn't want

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to push it because you know,the idea of military scare as many people
and he had, but no onehad been there to reinforce that. I
think the military is a viable optionfor so many of these young brothers who
ancestors, who who cannot, whocannot, who cannot be who they want
to be in their neighborhood because ofthe gang violence and or because of the

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culture that surrounds them does not allowthem to kind of be showed their show
how smart they are, how creativethey can be, and how lawful they
can be as well. I knowwhen I got away from Chicago, that
gave me an opportunity to become theperson that my parents had raised me to
be, which was not a thug, but it was someone who was respectful

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of authority, but who also wantedto become somebody. I think that if
you took a hundred of these youngguys off the street, you probably would
get about maybe thirty that would thatwould love being in the military and would
stay and become productive citizens. Theother sixty six I don't know, because
many of them would probably have tobe discharged because of disruptive behaviors because they're

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not used to being without marijuana,right, They're not used being told what
to do. But the thing aboutthe military is after you realize that it's
all a game that the recruiters areplaying with you, it's all a game
with the drill instructures are playing withyou because because in most instances you're not
gonna be harmed, they're gonna getin your face, they're gonna holler and
screen. But the result of thatis that you kind of go through a

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kind of a man up program wherebyyou actually are not afraid of challenging yourself,
and you're not afraid of accepting orgoing after jobs that you knew we're
going to be helpful for you yearslater. I think the military is a
great option, w D I aPrince of the Charles Shame my main same

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un name. How are you doingabout love doing well? Prince great?
Great? How are you doing doctorfine? Prince? Oh god, I
hope your wife doing okay? Yes, good afternoon investoration to a police investment
store. Hey, doctor Harper.I was listening to some of the pages
saying, and I'm gonna have apersonal question at the end of it.
If I made how many times havewe walked into grocery stores or outing and

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we're seeing young mothers verbally abuse,maybe physically abuse their cheers at a young
age. I know I have anykind I have seen that, oftentimes more
verbal abuse and demeaning of the childactually hitting the child. Yeah, okay,
in that case, if that wasyou would saw a person like that

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a parent or in this what wouldbe your suggestion to that to that parent,
Because what you just stated, Ibelieve that a lot of times they
started way before they got in theschool to cause us the way they've been
act. That's how they've been treatedat home. But I just want to
get your take on that first question. Yeah, what what I would do
if if I had if I hadan audience with that particular parent, or

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if I had that parent in theworkshop, I would I would go back
and I would basically talk about how, how how certain disruptive, how certain
aggressive, how certain, how certainum inappropriate behaviors originated, And I would
I would ask the audience to basicallythink about how they were raised. If
if the people in the audience wouldgo back and think about how they were

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treated, then they would have agood idea ask you why they're behaving the
way that they're behaving now. Becauseif I was verbally abused the means called
terrible things, I'm probably gonna doout of that with my own children unless
I've been trained or some way counseledaway from doing that. So what I
would do I would I would Iwould strongly encourage that parent to do some
introspection, which means looking inside ofthemselves to find out just how angry they

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are and to figure out what they'reangry about, because it's not with that
child who didn't say please or thankyou, it's behind the fact that this
is a parent who never heval fromtheir own emotional abuse. So that being
said about some hunted a lot ofthese kids that you're defination that give it
to fail from kid. I'm apen all of them speaking in the other

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room. When I say that,do you think they might have transpired from
home to school where that type ofbehavior was accepted in home but was but
a school it's a different scenario,of course. Yeah. I mean the
children bring behavior from home, youknow, right, Yeah, you know
many people when I was working inhead Start, oftentimes you hear a parent

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say, well you it's y'all's jobto educate the children and to keep them
in place. No no, no, no, no, no, no
no, no, I disagree.I disagree with that too. Yeah.
I mean when when a child lead, When a child leaves home and gets
into a school environment and that childmay have been traumatized but maybe not,
and becomes disruptive, then that childis basically engaging in behaviors that they are
used to engaging at home as well. Now, the only difference is that

(50:22):
the parent may slap, hit,kick or whatever the child in the in
the daycare or the head Start orthe preschool. You're not allowed to do
that. So therefore the child feelsthat they have are free for all but
doing whatever they want to do becauseyou cannot chastise them in the way that
they are chastise at home, andit wouldn't be appropriate to do it anyway,
I felt. But doctor Harbor,with that being said, a lot

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of I don't know the present,you wise, but how many teachers will
have a background and this type ofbehaviors when it comes to come to children,
especially, I bet you eight.I don't know. I'm just I'm
just speculating here because I don't wanta number, but I would think that
go ahead. I'm sorry. Wellthere there there There's been a lot of

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teacher education programs focusing focusing on threeto five year olds, particularly for for
preschool. Now that is that thatis still not enough because if when in
teacher training programs throughout this country,no, there was no real teacher education
in regard to three to five yearolds. Now that now, that may
have changed over the last seven oreight years, but see, getting a

(51:27):
workshop on how to deal with athree to five year old is as useless
as useless as basically turning around incircles and thinking that things are going to
change and clicking your heels. It'snot gonna work. You need much much
more education and training and understanding asto what causes this, and we need
to have programs in place where parentscan get the treatment that they need because

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they're the first teachers, all right, exactly, That's what That's what I
was thinking because a lot of timesthese children little they learned from not from
school, but from what they liveand learn from their household. But let
us and find a question, doctorHarper. And it is just to kind
of like the sidebar from you fromthe top, and I have to ask
you to call. They're not onlydealing with the subthing about to say,

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but it's actually dealing with my spiritand how I how I feel right now,
and I just want to get getsome kind of interpretation from you.
I know everybody had heard about thefour young kids that's were ut come got
caught in the fire and they died. And for some of my reason my
three main passages of life has tobe in tereered in eldom in animals.

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And when this tre happened, doctor, doctor Harper, it really touched my
spirit. It really hurt me tothe court. Basically, what I'm saying,
I knnot realize what this parent maybe going through. I never lost
the childhood I can't say for exactly, but as dealing with depth of a
young child, I have had thathappened with my systems in this case,

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doctor Harper, people like myself fordealing with this young lady and the family
and the us, the boyfriend orwhoever is involved. What type of advice
which you could share that may notsaying that it will that may comfort in
a time like this because I'm havinga difficult time and I didn't even know
these kids, but it touched meso so much to the court that I

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felt like I knew that they werepart of me, that were part of
the community. So I'm gonna hangup, doctor Hartman, listen to tell
you, and it's always thank youfor the great advice. Bath. It's
always thank you for allowing me tospeak on each and everyone of you to
have a beautiful blessing safe and helpingthem to be here. Thank you friends.
Well, you know, my firstthought is that if you have the
means to do so, then youhave to be able to do You might

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want to reach out to the familyin one way or another. Now some
families may need support, financial supportfor the for the burial of their children
and the ceremony for the burial,have you that might be a good way
of doing it, or it couldbe a way of having flowers there at
the funeral itself. It could alsobe, however, becoming the kind of

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person that is aware of the negativeeffect of these kinds of trauma on families,
and maybe a person like yourself,since you're very articulate, brother,
to start going out and doing someparent education yourself, or or volunteering your
time with parent education groups, becauseI think the best way for a person

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not to be emotionally torn apart behindthese things, particularly when it's not even
your own family, is to alwaysbe ready to respond in terms of being
able to teach and help prevent thingslike this from happening, and or to
be able to respond in a waythat you feel may be helpful to a
particular family if you have the economicresources to do so. So that's what

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I think. Wu d I AHi caller, Hey Bill, doctor,
how a y'all doing? Hey commonman? Alright, all right, hey
doctor hoppa. I hear your earlierspeak speak a little bit about parenting,
and I want to ask you maybea for questions I guess I've I've often

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heard people say, you know,you got to put fear in your kid's
hearts, you got to make themfear you. And I object to that.
You know, um, I believethat that a parent and the kids
should have a relationship and be comfortablewith one another. I think that to
have a child to fear you,fear you is more of a negative than
a positivem U. I believe myphilosophy is to have the child to respect

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you. I think that's that's mostmore important than to have a child to
fear you. Because if my childfears me being my child may be afraid
to come and talk to me.My child may become terrorized or me,
and it just to me ends upbeing a bad or a negative you know
aspect. And so I want toask you, you know, like you

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hear you hear parents like you said, yelling and cursing children out and beating
them like like I said, myson I may have whipped him with a
belt three to four times out hisentire life, at his entire life.
My daughter's never got a whip himby me. And I think the biggest
reason for that is because they wereobedient and they followed the rules right,

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you know, and so it wascounter simple because they obeyed. And so
what did you say in terms ofhaving your child to fear you beat,
beating the child and all that,because I think that turns into most of
a negative and also it teaches themthat aggressive behavior that you were talking about.
Also, believe you know when youget to beat sure, I mean

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yelling in cursing out of the stuff. Sure, you basically have taken my
statement from me. I think it'sI think I think it makes no sense
whatsoever to have a child that thatthat that that is afraid of you.
Now, now there's a thin line, I think somewhere between a child that
respects and a child that becomes fearful. The child that respects it respects mom

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and dad or adults and what haveyou, recognizes that there's a consequence if
they don't abide by rules and regulations, and they also want to please mom
or dad by not going against theirauthority. That's respect. Right now,
they also have recognized, I'm sureat least once in their life, if
not more over more than that,that if they if they breach that particular,

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that that barrier between respect and notrespect, that there is going to
be a consequence, and now theyI think children fear whippings. I think
they fear being chastised aggressively and whathave you, and even chastised verbally.
So I think it's a thin line. But I think most of the time
we stay on the respect side.Then we basically allow our children to approach

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us, as you pointed out,when they when they have things that are
troubling them, When when the gangsare trying to recruit them, when the
boards are trying to force little girlsinto having intercourse, oh now, all
those kind of things. And Ithink parents need to be a safe space
as much as they can. Doesthat mean that the parents should not get
angry when their child is not abidingby rules? Sure you get angry,
right, but how you express thatangry anger should model for your child how

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they need to respect you when they'reupset with things as well. That's right,
that's right. And I just wantedyour opinion on that as a psychologist
because I know how you. Iknow that you know how things up think
a person or a child from amental and psychological standpoint. Thanky, thank
you, coming man? All right? W D I a high caller?

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Hey barl Hey, hey, thisis dodge. I'm doing well, dodging
yourself. Oh, I'm doing okay. And doctor Harper, yes, sir,
okay, hey, um, Iwas listened to what you were saying
earlier about I guess they were talkingabout preschool kids. Yes, I remember

(58:55):
Doctor Harper around. I think yearsago, I had a as a I
think a full time sub in theclass. And what I know this is
like twenty some years ago. Andwhat I noticed, Dr Harper, is
that most of these white teachers.You know, I've seen an all black

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school and then it's an all whitestaff, principal, white teacher's, white
ministrative, white support staff, whiteand most of these white folks, they
didn't really care for black people's education, black children. They just wanted to
get a check. And what I'venoticed is that um, when it comes

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especially black kids, black kids wereplaced into lower level classes, you know,
and destroy their self esteem. Theywere nine times it's likely to get
like you said, it's suspended,arrested, expelled, put out, placed

(01:00:02):
on drugs, Ritland and um tome, and and they weren't and like
like like, the debate continues eventoday. They didn't teach them anything about
racism and black history. That wasnot taught. And what I've noticed today,
you know, and I and Ilook at um um, you know

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some of the neighborhoods that you know, because of white supremacy, most of
the uh uh you know, blacksand black in some of these black neighborhoods,
the parents don't even have the moneyfaning that access. You know,
they have to put their kids oncomputers. Because I because in my neighborhood,

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because I remember, um, myneighbor kids, three kids, and
and the dad came over and Itold him, I said, I tell
you what, I'll go ahead andput y'all on my my computer. And
it was they gave men and thataccess and they you know, they had
to access and they they had theirown computers now and then they went got

(01:01:07):
through what they needed. But whenI taught years ago, twenty years ago,
you know, first of all,the kids were shot to see a
black male teacher. They don't theythough, they were not used to that.
But they was always seeing either awhite female or female. But when
they saw me for the first data, um, they were they were,

(01:01:32):
they were shot. And I noticedthat they were more motivated to learn.
They said, well we we couldlearn behind this guy, and the test
scores went all the way up atthe end. They make a long story
short. I couldn't believe it becausetheir books that they gave these kids,

(01:01:53):
we exhausted those in my first twomonths. I had to go out and
get other books. And when theydid the standardized test after I left,
I was shocked because they had beatthe whole average. They even beat out
the white schools. And and thisis funny. This one boy in there

(01:02:13):
and the class said, well,mister Dodge, how come we didn't beat
Metro out. I said, well, you're in the sixth grade. Metro
is a high school for gifted kids. I said maybe in a few years,
I said, if we would havebeaten them out, you'd have got
me in trouble. All right,dog, good hearing from your Dodge.

(01:02:34):
Thank you be safe out there.Three five nine three two one eight hundred
and five zero three nine three fourtwo High caller. Are you doing bro,
I'm doing well in yourself. Yes, I'm trying to think of the
name of that school over there fora new other road. They're at the
highest two cash back some years agothough they're doing real all like uh doll

(01:03:01):
Black School. I can't think ofthe name. It's Little Elements Elementary School.
And they had the best speakcat scorers. And like I said, I
think our kids because you know,learn well. It all appears like I
said, you don't how the dedicatedteachers like you had back in the day.
Nowadays, I think people are moreso trying to be there for the

(01:03:22):
money, trying to pay off somestudent loans and stuff. You know.
But uh, get back to whatwell we guys were talking about earlier were
on the uh as far as theseyoung folks and and and uh, I
think uh the j magazine said backin the sixties, if there's not a

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war or anything going on, themilitary is the best place for African American
male And like uh, they saythey build men and when they get out
finished there, they'll be able totake care of themselves and be a constructive
part of scientic. But as floas these kids, these ones that's in

(01:04:03):
these games and do all this violentcrimes. Uh, the guy was talking
about earlier bringing back the draft.Uh, I think they instead of bringing
back the draft, those people thathad a committed young folk commend to valid
crimes, murdering all this stuff,organized crime and gangs. Uh sent them
over to uh Ukraine somewhere and letthem fight over there. And they can't

(01:04:29):
come back now like I said,you ain't. We ain't go house you
for no thirty forty years for nomurder and none of uh like cash Ro
did down in Cuba, he emptedall of his prisons and put them on
boats. They went to Miami andif people was in turn with camps down
in Miami. But for years.Uh. But but we got a problem
with the borders right now. Noneof them all come on the end.

(01:04:50):
But you got to pay in thesocial security for ten years before you can
get the thing out. And uh, you know, so sort the thing
on this U and you be onprobation in ten years if you committed any
telling this he went to misdemeanors.Uh, we ship you back, you
know, to to Mexico wherever youcome from Honduras. But the young folks

(01:05:13):
that's here just doing this stuff.We've seen you said a Ukraine it somewhere,
and you know, like I said, you go over there and or
you finish your time or whatever,but you can't come back here, you
know, and we ain't got topay the ticket, you know, thirty
years, and I think that wouldbe a smart way to go. And
uh, like I said, likeRon Reagan did when he was governing to
California, he found out he couldbalance his budget by entering in those middle

(01:05:38):
institutions and getting all the people saying, oh well, as long as they're
not a danger to themselves or tous, to kick him out, put
them out there on the street.And then that's when you started having all
these serial killers and stuff, freewaykillers and people killing him could be people,
a lot of them should have beenin the middle of situtions. But
the man that kicked him out becausehe balanced his budget, and the rest

(01:05:59):
of these they soon how you balanceit budget? They get the same thing
you used to get money when youtake people to the mid two one hundred
dollars or something if they were mentallyin saying, but now you can't get
no mental help, you know whatI mean? You know people need help
and can't get it. So uh, you know, I think we gotta
you know, uh, in orderto balance ode budget. O yere since

(01:06:21):
they like right now they're talking aboutraised the budget for the United says,
hey, we could do a wholelot better. Like I said, let
these but these people that's coming acrossillegal and all this stuff. Let these
fo come on in here. Andbut like I said, you can't get
that, boy. You gotta havefour the quarters to get anything out of
Social Security. So they's ten years. You get four quarters here. So

(01:06:44):
for ten years you're working and payingand Social Security. But you want prow
basis you're doing anything wrong, You'regoing back to Mexico or Hondus. You
know what I'm saying. Oh here, all right, brother, thank you
for your call. W D Ia high caller. Hey Norman, who
are you? I am black tastic? How are you? Blacktastic? Brother?

(01:07:06):
Hey? Doc? What's up?Brother? How are you? I'm
doing great? You know that?Good? Good? Doc? How's your
wife? She's doing it as welltoo? Man? Real well? Good?
That's great hey Man? And Doc. You know, I hear so
much. There's so so much traumaand pain in our community, with our

(01:07:30):
people, and it should we shouldhave been obvious a long long time ago.
I think the real solution for usis for us to unlearn, darn
teach. I think we're gonna haveto figure out, um what has happened
to us, not what's wrong withus? As our doctor Bruce Perry and
oprah Win said in their book,it's not what's wrong with us, it's

(01:07:51):
what has happened to us. AndI think as those of us who say
we're conscious and say we're genuinely concerned, we have a lot of questions.
I think, well, we needto start. We need to go back,
and we need to learn the thingsthat we claim our children should need
to know. Many of us do. We're gonna have to go back and
pick up books and stop reading andresearch and studying ourself so we can really

(01:08:15):
get a clear understanding of what thereal problem is. This stuff is not
made up. It's designed perfectly andin master the detail to do just what
it's doing now. And once webegan to read, research and study and
understand that, then we began torealize that this is not by mistake man.

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This is one of the greatest masterpiece put together ever in the history
of man, except for the Bible. And the Bible is full of allegories
and myths. When we hear theone was here, beat your tiel or
whatever that crafty us for the Chiel, and he won't die. It won't
kill him, that's it, willit will kill his spirit. It would

(01:09:00):
kill his prime, his respecting,his love for for people who are beaten
on him for somebody mentioned at amoment a great owner reminded me of what
I got growing up. I gotwhoop with switches, stick with Uh,
what do you call those things?You hang on the bath, to the
red um with, pull a cordapart um water bad? Yeah, I

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got whooping unplugged an extension cord andbeat me with that. Well, damn
something I knew something was wrong.I was very rebellious. I had a
deep resentment to my mother and anybodythat I saw doing that. I almost
hated him because I could not understand, why are you beating me like this?
And more and more I begin torun away from home. I began

(01:09:49):
to look for solutions and answers inother places that I was running so much
as a child, I had noidea where I was going and why.
I just know that I didn't wantto be at home anymore. I don't
want to stand that anymore. Ibecame one of the most rebellious children child
you that were known. I woulddo all kinds of trauma trying to find
the solutions that I had no wayof knowing at that time and understanding.

(01:10:13):
It wasn't until I began to readand study and I understand to come and
through my painful trauma that I beganto realize what Doctor the Grew, George
the Grew and others have said,the post traumatic slavey sympdime. I understand
now why my answer to my motherand grandmother did those things because they were
talking to do those things, andthose before them were talk to beat us

(01:10:35):
with certain things. And you usuallyalways said, wherever you do it,
that's where you're gonna get it,and they will make sure that other people
see it. Well, what doesever mind you? It remade what they
did do a slavery to bring abouta fear or hurt, a pain.
That's hard, man, That's difficultfor us to understand. Beating on me
like that? What I deserved tobe beat on so bad? It's the

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same question is what do I deserveto be hate so much by the world?
How close with this? Because there'sa lot of trump, a lot
of pain that we don't even havea clew of. But we those of
us who are blaming the children,blaming us as we've got the first understand
before we started beating on him,before we started locking them up, before
we started taking in the visit prison, before were taking the cottage. We

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have got to understand and learn wherewe come from, what has happened to
us, Not what's wrong with us, but what has happened to I grew
up believing something was wrong with mebecause I always heard from I said,
you're gonna be just like your oldno good daddy. You're gonna be uh,
you know you're gonna be this.You're stupid, you're black. And
I now understand where all that camefrom. So now I can do better

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because I know better. But Doctor, as you and I had talked before,
I have a great sister that's comingto down. I got a schedule
now, and I think I mayhave said that to you and bear doctor
Christine anymore. The Rage of Innocence. It's her book. She will be
here with us at the being WhoseLibrary, and I got it all schedule

(01:12:06):
to worked out. So I'm excitedabout her book, Range of Innocence.
I think you talked about that howAmerica criminalizes like youth. If we begin
to read these books and begin tounderstand, we will understand more so I
really prayed that others will come outand listen to the child. She's a

(01:12:28):
professor from the law School of joySound, I believe it is university,
and she will be with us andtalking about bringing her book and talking about
her book and what has happened toas children and what's happened to our children
today. So I prayed that otherswill come and listen and learn and be

(01:12:49):
more proactive in top sidic solutions tohelp out childs and help out people and
not continue to add what American isdoing criminizing our children and then all the
other pupulent trauma that we experienced them. So I just wanted to share that,
and I thank y'all so much.Ben. I'm going to talk with
you about the lay of the coast. I think I may have said it

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to you, Ben about that,because we really want people to come out
of here with this so said tosay in our book. All right,
Norman, thank you Norman. Peopleteaching on that now, Stan appreciate you
moving. You'll ever know, noproblem, brother, Thank you Norman.
Have a great day. Bye bye. We are talking with doctor Warren Harper
today. Hold on callers so wewill be able to get to our next

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topic. Let me tell you whatthat's going to be. Doctor Harper is
going to talk about the takeover thecity of Jackson, Mississippi's policing system,
their court system, and the votingrights of the majority of the city's African
American residents by European American nationalists.Hold on callers, Hold on listeners,

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We are rocking and rolling. Onthis Thursday, the first day of June
twenty twenty three, we are insession with psychologists, mental health specialists,
Doctor Warren Harper. Hold on,callers, we will definitely get you.
Doctor Harper, continue our session thisafternoon. Okay. In March of this
year, two laws were passed inMississippi, which has left the city divided

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the City of Jackson. Some sayit will curb the homicide rate, which
they claim is a public safety issue. Others say it is Mississippi's racist pass
coming back to life. Along withtaking away the power of the boat from
residents of Jackson who are African Americansand who are in the majority population wise,
the takeover, they say, willintrude on local decision making and voting

(01:17:56):
rights of the African American citizens ofJackson. One all will create an unelected
court system within the City of Jacksonthat expands policing in the majority black state
city capital over the mainly European Americancitizens of Jackson, as well as make
changes to the judges and prosecutors whowill be in charge of dealing with criminal
defendants in the majority European American partof Jackson. Let me repeat that the

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new police force and the judges andprosecutors at even the nine one one call
center that was proposed in the Housebill will cover the mostly European American neighborhoods,
not the African American neighborhoods. Andkeep in mind, Jackson, Mississippi,
is a city where eighty to eightythree percent of its population is African
American. What this Jackson City Mayorand the Republicans of the state legislature can

(01:18:45):
agree on is that Jackson has amurder rate twelve times the national average,
which makes it one of the mostdangerous cities in the United States. But
as I have stated, the newpolice force, as was originally proposed,
was to only serve and protect themostly European American citizens, neighborhoods and businesses
of Jackson. The Mayor of Jackson, the Honorable choquay LEMMBA, a Democrat,

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has protested loudly regarding House Bill tentwenty, saying that the bill reminds
him of a part Aid and furtherstated quote, this is probably the most
oppressive legislation that I have seen inmy history here in the state legislature and
for legislatures in general. I wassurprised that they came half dressed because they

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forgot to wear their hoods. Thesponsor of the bill, Republican Trade Lamar
of Sanatobia, Mississippi, which istwo hours away from Jackson, Mississippi,
claims that the bill's only intent isto make the capital city safer and to
assist the course system in Hines County. He further stated, quote, the
city of Jackson is the capital cityof the state of Mississippi. It's our

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capital city. It does not belongsolely the citizens of Jackson. Okay.
That was his, okay, notmine. Typical arrogance. The second law
will establish an unelected court system withinthe city of Jackson, and the Republican
Ramar Lamar, who put the billtogether, indicated that he is proposing that

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the unelected court system be staffed byquote the best and the brightest sitting in
judgment unquote, which was viewed bythe critics of the bill as meaning that
Jackson city leadership is incapable of findingqualified judges and prosecutors. In the city
of Jackson itself with eighty to eightythree percent African American citizens to add insult
to injury. Before Republican Lamar wrotethe bill, he did not speak with

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or take into consideration what the residenceof Jackson wanted or their thoughts regarding the
bill itself. However, when RepresentativeLamar was asked that question, his response
was, in my opinion, sostupidly stated, He stated to that question,
all God's children are unique. We'reall God's children unquote. Now what

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does that have to do with thewhether he sought the opinions, concerns,
or buy in of local Jackson citizenresidence before he put the paper put pen
to paper. One of the mostsenior members of the House, Representative Edward
Blackman, comment that quote. Herecalls being jailed as a younger man for
seeking his rights to vote, andthat only in Mississippi will we have a
bill like this one with our history, where we say that solving the problem

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is taking the vote away from blackpeople because we don't know how to choose
our leaders. That's the problem.And the trojan horse that has been brought
forward in this bill is called crime. I'm old enough, he said,
to know and understand that the rightto vote has not always been ours.
And perhaps I'm a little more sensitiveto the idea that that vote can be

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taken away. He also stated thatthe bill was unconstitutional and that the bill
would be taken to federal court andchallenge. Representative Solomon Osbourne is seventy four
year old Democrat from Greenwood, Mississippistate at quote, one thing I can
do is recognize a racist when Isee one's racist act when I see them,
this is a racist bill. Hewent on to say that people come

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with all kinds of measures to takeaway our rights and to oppress the black
folks in Mississippi. I don't evenknow why they're down here, frankly,
because it's like being at a clanrally with people with suits on. That's
the only difference I see between thesepeople here. They wear suits rather than
sheets. Every day we get uphere and open this body with the prayer.

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I wonder what God are these peoplepraying to. Representative Zakaria Summers stated,
why won't you just prove provide moremoney to the existing court system to
reduce the backlog. Representative John Hynessaid, quote, the legislature needs to
do more to support people in needif it wants to see crime decrease.
He went on and saying, ifyou really want people safe in Jackson,

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put the resources in place where wecan put mental health services in place,
where we can have quality housing forpeople, where we can ensure, where
we can make sure or make itso what kids get somewhere to go and
play and something to do. Weain't nothing. We ain't got nothing to
do here. Now we have nothingdone whatsoever. It's a shame again.

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We end up being the laughing stockof America because of what we do here
today. Well, in April,the Mississippi Press newspaper headline was quote white
appointed court, state police and majorityblack Jackson goes to Governor. The article
begins by stating, quote Jackson residentswho commit local misdemeanor offenses will soon appear
before an unelected Mississippi Supreme Court appointedmunicipal judge. After the Mississippi legislature sent

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the final version of the bill tentwenty to Governor Tate Reeves Desk. If
signed, the bill would take someauthority away from elected judges and prosecutors in
the eighty two percent black city CapitalDistrict, and in a separate bill sent
to the governor, this bill wouldexpand the state run Capitol police jurisdiction to
cover the entire city. If thebill is signed, it would deprive the

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Hines County voters who live inside thecarved out special district of having the right
to elect prosecutors and for their electedofficials to select judges on their behalf representative
Blackmen said that the proposed expanded areaunder the control of the state would include
a population that is forty seven percentwhite and fifty three percent black, and

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that the expansion only includes areas thatare mainly white now. But Representatives Zakaria
Summers, Democrat from Jackson, States, quote the House Bill ten twenty and
similar bills targeting Jackson have been extremelyexhausting and it almost feels like the States
being a bully of the city ofJackson. And when you're in a situation,

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the only thing you can do isfight your way out of it.
She further said the money spent onthis bill would be better used as an
investment in the communities and that governorthat government should operate with the consent of
the govern How does that receive consentfrom the government. We could be solving
real problems, but we want toattack Jackson. The new law is an

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assault on black leadership, and theyare trying to control the population of Jackson
versus supporting the Jackson police force withmore people power. Those of you who
are living in Jackson, if youhave new information on this, please continue
to be loud and voice your yourdisapproval of what they're doing there. They

(01:25:23):
have taken away your right to voteand they will take more if they get
away with this. I'm thinking,how are you going to You have a
Supreme court, Mississippian Court, butnow you're going to appoint some people that
that's craziness. It's like, there'sa city within a city here. Yeah,
we're gonna step in with our policeto police certain areas, and we

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can also police the whole plate,the whole place. And they want the
Jackson Police to be on a committeewith the new appointed police people and other
folks. And it's like, well, wait a minute, what about the
authority of the Jackson Police under themayor right, Well, that's like,
well, that's there, but it'sgoing to be also supplemented or or or
forced to take to take part withthis other police force that's over here that's

(01:26:08):
being run by state officials. Itis a mess. It is a mess.
And and and and I go back. Doctor Harper is thinking of living
in Jackson and working there because thecapital is in the city of Jazz,
right, They they want to runeverything. And they've always done that.
They've always because of the capitol that'sJackson. But then they they they forget

(01:26:34):
a lot of times. And Ican recall living there and and and being
a report and stuff there. Ohmy goodness, they've always been like that.
And believe me, um, anyany any city that has the majority
African American population, particularly those whoare voting, these these European nationalists are
going to come in in any waythey can to change laws because they're terrified

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that in twenty forty five, whenthis population is supposed to shift and whites
are not going to be in themajority anymore, supposedly they will still be
in power in every large city inthis country to dictate how rules and regulations
and policy and laws are going tonegatively impact people of color. Wow,

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all right, Jacksonian's right, getit together, you know. And I'm
glad you brought this out, sowe'll be watching my uncle, Like I
didn't know all this was going onin Jackson. It's a mess. It's
a mess. It's a mess.Hold on, callers, we're going to
get to you next. We arein session with doctor Harper, and you

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Bev Johnson and we're going to ourphone lines. Thank you, fellows for
waiting. King Harry, Oh what'sgoing on? Queen Cougar, you got
a king? I can say thishit. Your birthday month is over.
You're right, it was a goodbirthday, mind two. King Harry,
Oh no, miss my birthday month? All right? Brother, I was

(01:29:19):
going on doctor for my friend,my brother. You've got the best saying.
Brother, Hey, first thing youcome in on the the thing about
the third grade uh test or whatever. I was just thinking back. You
think that that could have an effecton the fact that during COVID for two
years, they were home school,yes, and with no supervision most majority

(01:29:41):
of the time. Yes, yes, yes, I do. I do
because if we go, if wego back before COVID started and see what
the with grade scores were, thenthat you'd be able to let them know
that that has to be a problembecause a lot of times there was no
parents with these kids at home,and a lot of time they we need
to get up and get on thescreen. You're right. So I was

(01:30:02):
thinking that would be a that wouldbe a big problem there. And and
you know a lot of things aboutthe kids today compared to the kids when
myself, you bid, when theschool. I love the school and I
went to school at Hamilton and Ilived in Westwood. I got a five
o'clock in the morning to kiss thebus. The school was at the other
family from being at home. Yep. And the teachers showed more caring than

(01:30:24):
you got. These young teachers nowthey're sleeping with the students. They ain't
trying to teach them nothing. They'retrying to get whatever they want. So
if we get things back to theway they used to be, where they
had you know, extra curriculus goingon. You know, they had auto
mechanics, dry cleaning, vocational thingsin the school to give them something to

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do. Then I think that couldhelp to bring a lot of it up.
Last thing I wanted to say isabout this team dollars that still goes
into the same effect with the schooling. Most of these families now are singing
family homes. And that mother seemI have three, four or five kids.
He watched the work sometime. Theygot to work two jobs. So
there's again there's no no no parentalsupervision at the home. That's why we

(01:31:09):
got these young kids out in thestreets late at night. The kid to
get fifteen year old that just shotthe watermelon man. Like I heard somebody
on Staying bill or said, whydidn't you just rob him? He had
that much money? No way.It's like when they call in an order
pizza and give my Maboga's address.They don't care them one twenty dollars on
its right, and you want torob them and then kill them. And

(01:31:31):
in fun, you're talking about Jacksonwhen you said about the white even though
the whites are losing the majority,like you said at the end, of
the day. They're gonna stick together. Sure they are. And the only
reason we cannot keep our majority aswe're moving up is because we don't stick
together. And until we start stickingtogether after Americans would never having advantage in
anything. We've already taken over sports. You know, we're moving in politics,

(01:31:56):
we're moving in everything. Back yearsago, when you last time you
saw a black quarterback, Yeah,black coach, that's right, there's no
black coaches. I mean, we'rewe're dominating all the sports and coaching.
I mean even in soccer, wegot a lot of black people. Sure,
but until we start sticking together.Now I have number gives l bg
q R S, t w Xy Z or whatever they call it him.

(01:32:16):
But I'm saying this, they sticktogether. Yea, yeah, they
do go uh and they fight foreach other. What we're doing, we
do means are trying to Uh.You ain't gonna get ahead of me,
right, You're gonna get it beforeI get it. And that's our problem
right there. Thank you for yourtime, doctor, I'm gonna keep doing
what you're doing and get in touchwith me. I need to talk to

(01:32:38):
you, Okay, Thank you,King Harry out, Bye bye, brother
Bernard, all right, miss Johnson'sbrother Harper, Yes, sir, yes,
yes, you know in the wordsof Mark Luther King, something is
happening in messages and something is happeningin this world. I believe our youth,

(01:32:58):
uh, doctor Harper, mister Johnson'sI I you that under under a
sense of despair uh and um andupset. Per say where UMU they are
somewhat aware of what's going on.Um. They've suffered from a sense of

(01:33:19):
generational slavery and generat racism, andthey are ware well aware of it.
Um. Where are the uh thelocal leaders that are very unapologetic. I
can tell you this, UM.When the youth are out uh, they're
constantly seeing uh these leaders that areuh that are afraid to tell the truth

(01:33:44):
UH, that are felling them.We also need a good character in the
neighborhood, in the household, uh, starting with the fathers of course.
Um it you know it relays backto the man uh and the leaves me.
Um. It is very embarrassing uhand very sad when the youth are

(01:34:08):
seeing UMU their seniors and their elderswho are aware of the racism, yet
they are still bending over backwards,uh, holding their tongue and not speaking
out for our people. Uh.The youth are very much aware of what
is going on. And what hashappened is the gang have taken control and

(01:34:32):
the youth has the youth have havegravitated uh to the game. And so
there is a there is a characteruh that the that youth are practicing.
But it is the character of ofof of gang initiations, guerrilla warfare,
gun crimes, attoseels, violence,murder. That is what's going on.

(01:34:57):
Because until they have a a localleader that's able to stand up. You
think about how proud people were ofMartin Luther King when he was able to
stand up and go against white supremacyand and and preach on on order and
character as a man and as aas a as as a black individual in
society. And we don't have that. You know a lot of our local

(01:35:21):
leaders that are in our community.Uh, they're they're feeling that the people
in the youth have dismissed them.They don't they don't admire them, they
don't see them as something else.That's what I would love to do.
It's it's almost a thing where youhave to fold um. Uh and you're
being sold. And so that isone reason why I believe with this local

(01:35:45):
election that that propaganda is trying tohide or shut out, uh, the
Honorable Judge Joe Brown running from mayor, because this is a man that's that's
unapologetic, he's not afraid to stepup. And so in all, what's
going on with the youth, andthey're committing crimes. They're robbed and they'll
rob rob this person, robbed thatperson. These folks are not done,

(01:36:10):
they're not ignorant. And what they'vedone is they say, hey, if
the local leaders are not going tostand up, you know, they're sold.
They're scared. They're not telling thetruth because they're seeing racism everywhere.
The children are seeing racism in theclassroom, if they go to a certain
restaurant, they're seeing racism there.And again it's no unity, but but

(01:36:31):
it starts with good leadership, whetherit's leadership and the mayor's office with Judge
Joe Brown who's unapologetic, or whetherit's leadership with the men that are in
the household. But it starts withgood leadership. And the youth are seeing
this and I guarantee you, hey, they they've thrown up their hands.

(01:36:54):
They say, hey, if ifour seniors and our elders are gonna be
weak and off and and and uhand not and not call it out for
what it is, we need weneed grown people to call it out for
what it is. Whether it's it'sthe judges, it's the mayor, we
don't us, don't have that,they don't have that, they tied us.

(01:37:15):
It's embarrassing and it's sad that wehave local leaders that are so weaker
and they're lying to us about whoknows what everything, and so that,
you know, I hope other callsable to chime in on that. I
don't want to hold us up.You're welcome, bye bye, and big

(01:37:35):
Hebrew? What's going on being?How y'all doing today? Doing well?
Big Hebrew? Oh? May Ibelieve? Where do I start? When
do I start? I know,doctor harp? How are you doing fine?
Brother? You know? Oh doctorHarper? Bill the word says,

(01:37:59):
I gotta say this because everything isthe basic instructions before leaving Earth. Okay,
and y'all hear me, tell y'alland share what y'all that we're the
Israelites, We're God's people. Nowwhat y'all have to do and I want
you to do, is to understandingwhat I'm saying. What I'm saying is
God gave us laws, statues andcommandments for us, and his law statues

(01:38:26):
and commandments there his righteousness. Okay, Understanding what I'm saying. I don't
care if you're going to Harvard.I don't care if you're going to Yale.
If you are black, and youdon't know who you are in that
Bible, and understanding you know nothing, You know nothing, okay, because
in Jeremiah chapter ten, he says, learn not the way he's uping even

(01:38:50):
Okay. And all I'm saying is, y'all everything that we known, Okay,
nobody asked the question why is it? Then we're the most hated on
all the earths? What did wedo? Them? Doctor? What did
we do? Okay? Jackson predominantlyblack. But right now these people are

(01:39:13):
coming up to gets trying to changelaws so we can't vote. See,
Look, there comes the time,y'all. We have to really understand that
this Bible is talking to us.In Revelations eighteen, it says, come
out of my people. Okay.So as much as we want to vote
and do all of that. Hey, y'all, it's not gonna do no
good. One thing needs people know. They know that their time is short,

(01:39:35):
y'all. Y'all know what things aregoing on in the world. Okay,
it's not gonna get any better.They know that their time is short,
y'all. But they know one thingdot com. But this is what
they know. You more, girlsain't gonna wake up. They know that
Doctor Harbor there, We're gonna goto church on Sunday. We're not gonna

(01:39:56):
keep the Sabbath. We're gonna doChristmas, We're gonna do East the and
we're gonna do all and and and. But I hear you, brother,
Big Hebrew. But I you know, but when we're talking about with doctor
Harper's session and the kids, whatare the solutions? Now, we got
it. I get what you're saying, but but people are people. I

(01:40:20):
heard you, I heard I heardexactly what you said. But my thing
is when when you what you're sayingis then I'm thinking, how many other
people hear what you're saying. Evidentlythey're not hearing what you're saying, brother,
because we're still the same. Weknow that. I know I believe
in that keeping the commandments. Butwe but we're not doing that, and

(01:40:43):
we haven't done that, Big Hebrewin a long time, keeping the commandments.
That's what I'm saying, Okay,we need to get back to keeping
it. I'm talking about serving ourGod, that Roman god, Bill,
that's not our God. That's whatI'm trying to say. You're welcome.
You're welcome, Big Hebrew. Iexpect you know, but everybody, Big

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Hebrew. And I'll say this,doctor her You know, we have our
own beliefs and we have whoever ourGod is or higher power. That's so
we sir, that's true. Butbut but I think about the things you've
talked about today, folks and Jackson. Voting is important, extremely important.
If we live in this country,voting is important. I was thinking last

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night, doctor Harper, saw thison on on the National news or what
they're what what they're doing in yourgond in all them African country it's it's
a crime change. It's so youthink about that. I you think,
I think about that, Lord,And then they showed that where all those

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children just dying, so they couldthat's right. So, but but we
live in a country where they're votingit's possible, we have voting that runs
this country. Probably we're here,that's right. So with those things,
I get what Big hebrews saying.But but in the meanwhile, we need

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to do some other things as well. Well. We have to. We
have to because because before, before, before we can come together. Number
one, Yes, as pointed outbefore, we are not the United People,
No we're not. So therefore,what Big Hebrew is basically saying is
that if we go to the scripturesand what have you and read the Bible
and do what we're supposed to do, that's fine. And I think,
I think that that is part of, if a big part of us the

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solution. But unless all of usare coming together and moving in that direction
right then, and the fact thatwe're that we're split and divided yea so
much. Ye, it's hard forus to do that. So I think
Big Hebrew needs to continue to toto tendue to preach and teach and what
have you, and hopefully more peoplewill understand, you know, his form
of of of religion as well asconform to those to those principles that that

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he's referring to. Now, Iwould like to to say thank you so
much too, And all the headstart teachers that I worked with over the
past maybe ten or twelve, almostfifteen years since retiring from the Navy back
in two thousand and five, twothousand and three, I believe it was
either way it goes. The factis we've worked with some very, very

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difficult and troubled children that had alot of trauma in their lives. And
I did not see any of thoseteachers who basically pushed initially for any child
to be expelled or suspended. Matterof fact, their heart was aching when
those children were doing all kinds ofmisbehavior, even the kids that were hitting
on them. They didn't want thosechilds, those children to go home because
they knew that at home it wasgonna be worse. Yeah, So hats

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off to all those teachers that triedtheir best and that and that helped so
many of our children to get throughand who are now probably doing much better
in school than they would have done. In regard to Jackson, Jackson,
Mississippi, it's a crisis there,Yes, they've they've already got a head
a crisis with water. Now Ithink think about that. How can your
capital city, yes, have acrisis with water unless unless they're trying their

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best to ensure that the black populationdoes not benefit from that being the capital
city as well as how does yourcapital city have a crisis with water and
you and you who control the stringsof all the money, don't fix that
in your capital city, right.I'm sure that people in Washington, DC
are fed up too with with withthe federal government controlling their city. Is

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well sure, because they have moreThey have more people in that particular city
than something some damn states have andthey don't have states rights. So anyway,
my hats off to head start teachersand parents. You need to make
sure that your children are not traumatized, are not harmed in any way whatsoever,
and if they have been harmed,they need to get treatment. And

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you, as a parent, ifyou're part of that problem group of people
who are harming children, you needto get some help yourself and for the
teacher. If you're overstressed, continueto hang in there, but also take
care of yourself first and get somehelp that you need as well. I
think about doctor Harper and go back. I wasn't there then, but I
think about the city of Jackson whereMega Evers was killed and what he was

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trying to do. When I wasin Jackson, Mississippi, I got a
chance to meet Fanny lou Hamer andcalled him Miss Fanny, Miss Fanny lou
Hammer, who said, I'm sickand tired of being sick and tired.
And you know, they arrested her, Yes, and they had two the
whites had two black guys in jailto beat her senseless, Yes, to

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beat her senseless. Yes. Shealso went to the hospital to get medical
examination, and they gave her hisdirective. Who I even asked that they're
getting her permission. That's the kindof disregard for human life that these that
these devils have. Yeah, DoctorHarper, we thank you as always giving
us in session something for us tothink about and something for us to do

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