Happy Thanksgiving Dan Snyder!!!

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Greetings and welcome inside
The Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon,
as we are back for our first show of the
mobile Geico Studios. Harmon still hanging out in Los Angeles
and me and the bare knuckle tough streets of Detroit

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where I had to drive past so many hardball protesters
Mike Harmon to get here. You wouldn't believe it was
done to my car. I'll tell you the hate messages
left for Jim Harbaugh absolutely amazing. Don't fight somebody else.
See how easy it is. You're remembering a history it
doesn't exist. I mean, Michigan, come on, people are wearing
pistons gear. They're so upset about Michigan. A lot of

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any of the microwaves. Johnson Jersey's running around the hallways
play Hilton. Damn it. No, I'm just kidding. Was supposed
to take him to Detroit, you know, I tried. You're
supposed to take him to hang out with Patricia. You
guys would split a muskrat dinner and and figure out
how to take over the world. Now, I know he
wanted to stay, though It's nothing I could do. It's
been tough though. I'll tell you. People are not wearing

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Michigan gear. I mean it's like I'm seeing like Red
Wings gear again. I'm seeing like Michigan State gear again.
Haven't seen that Like three years. Party got a big
win for the Big Ten, so you know you represent
coming out of Boull season. Yeah, but still people don't
usually wear It's like every third person, where's something University
of Michigan, even if they didn't go to the school,
even if they went to like Central Michigan. Anybody walking

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around ringing a bell, yelling shame they went to they
went to a trade school, They're still wearing University of
Michigan gear. It's what everybody does. And now it's like, yeah, yeah,
we're just gonna lose. I mean, it's it's so such
fatalism with Jim Harbaugh here, it's insane. Well it's gotta
make for fun breakfast conversations though we're we're hanging out
with Pam's family. Oh my god, that's gotta be so

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uh All right, listen, I'll tell you this story before
you get into the Dallas Cowboys went with the big
news coming, I'll tell you this real fast. So New
Year's Day, we're watching the games with my cousins fiance's family.
So there's like twelve of everybody in the living room
watching the game, and Judy is just going up and
down the field catching eight yard passes. And one of

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my cousins fiance's brothers says to me, it was what
do you think about mission? What do you think about Michigan?
And I said, well, I don't know what people I
wanted to think. They've won one national title in sixty
five years. They're not Ohio State, they're not Alabama, they're
not any of this. I mean, I don't know what
cook You gotta beat Ohio State once in a while,
but that's really what it is. And then the guy

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looks at me says, I don't accept that. I don't
accept that answer from you, and I go, whoa, whoa,
whoa dude, I'm not whoa well what you asked me
when I'm on Fantastic Dance? Do you? Because I don't
accept that. Screw you. Let's go. Let's start a podcast
right now. I will dump truck you. I'm like, I'm
gonna leave. I'm gonna live, I said, Pam, let's go.
We're going. Your relatives are mean to me. Did you
go eight mile? You know you're living up here, but

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you really should be living down Get the car ready,
Let's go to white Castle. White Castle. Now, I gotta
find a way to get white Castle after the show
because I'm getting done it too. And I don't know
if the twenty four white Castle, it used to be
a twenty four white Castle, is still a twenty four
hour white Castle. I don't know. That's a big deal. Now,
our crack staff is gonna look that up for you. Yeah,

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I got it at nineteen thirty Michigan Avenue. You got
a twenty four hours Okay, well right, okay, look at
the corner. Look at the corner of Telegraph and Southfield.
Good luck. I'll be fine because I can freestyle. I'll
just roll down the winter start. What are you get
a battle for burgers. I'm here for White Castle. I
don't want to hassle. The giant should go and higher

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back Jim Fassele Fosse didn't really run. Whoa whoa, whoa wha,
No one shooting anybody types you're done. No, it's hit
an eight mile. You failed to rap battle. I mean
it gets the fired and he No, I'm way past.
I'm up at twelve mile, twelve miles high, aren't you
it's actually it's actually four min. I don't know. I

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could order not a sponsor on grub Hub. I can
get from that white Castle delivery. You get delivery. If
you can get white casts livered here to the studio,
that would be that takes on all the fun Harmon.
Don't do that. We need to see him in Yeah,
we also need you to wear the Al freakan mobile unit.
For those that don't remember, Al Franken, before he got
into politics, was a reporter in the field at Saturday

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Night Live, and the running joke there was he had
his mobile command center where he was able to transmit
from whatever harrowing position they put him into. I think
that's what we need from Smith. Here's ere's his live
effort to two am White Castle. Uh you know what'll
maybe maybe I'll live stream it on the way, because
you know what fun things happen when you live stream.
I saw the one guy on the on the internet

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to was live stream like going a hundred miles an hour.
I'm like, whoa, what are you doing? Text me when
you're getting beat up? What are you doing? Well, we'd
see it live. Frostburg is the thing. We don't. Just
set the notifications to uh allow from Smith and we'll
get that that video. By the way, the sparty folks
should be all boisterous because they're up twenty on Illinois

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with two minutes left in the second half, so they
can feel all chesty there. Like I said, nobody's in
Michigan State. It's it's it's University of Michigan, it's the
Red Wings, it's the Tigers, and it's the Lines and
that's in that order. Well, actually it's Michigan then and
red Wings. But now the Red Wings had a shutout
win two nights ago and everybody's happy. Everybody. You know, well,
you gotta find your wins where you can. And if
you're the Michigan Wolverines. Yeah, everybody gets sad, and I

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know a lot of the loud voices on our network
and others immediately calling for the the public uh degradation
of the Jim Harbaugh name and probably taking him out
back again. Be careful what you ask for coming in
And maybe Jim Harbor is gonna start trending on Twitter
tonight because I'm sure he'll be linked with the Dallas

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Cowboy Jason Smith, Mike Harmon the mobile Geico Studios Detroit
and Los Angeles ESPNS. Edward Or reporting this about forty
five minutes ago. This is directly off his Twitter account
from a source. Cowboys, Jerry Jones and Steven Jones have
moved slowly and with quote an abundance of care and
respect for Jason Garrett. That phase expected to conclude soon

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with Garrett not part of organization. Next phase, to involve
candidate interviews will begin quickly thereafter. So it looks like
after all of this and every day there's a meeting
with Jason Garrett and Jerry Jones, it looks like this
is finally going to conclude with what we thought was
going to happen. Jason Garrett was going to be the
ex head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Um, I just

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wanted to make sure we had a meeting every day
to get the news cycle. So we met before lunch.
They went to Whitecastle. I had a double Jason had
a chicken sandwich. I made a funny joke about that.
Then we met in the afternoon, and then we met
the next day. Then we met New Year's and then
we're gonna meet tomorrow. We're gonna actually have lunch at
my house on Saturday. I mean, every day was a
meeting with Jerry Jones and Jason Garrett. But you're paying

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until jan you might as well get every hour a
service out of him. You can. Let's have some more
exit interviews. He talked to everybody. He talked to the guys.
We cut back in August. Bring them in. You can
tell him what he thought of him one more time.
I actually understand part of this because it's a big breakup.
You know, this is not Jason Garrett was picked a

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couple of years ago, and he came in and hasn't
succeeded with the Cowboys. So hey, guess what. We gotta
move on where it's a phone call or you're in
for one meeting and that's it. You know, it's a
big breakup. You know, they've been together for ten years.
I mean, anybody that's ever had a relationship that's been
going on that long. When you know it's over, still,
the end comes rather slow lee and painfully because you

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have a lot of shared history. Look, they they groomed
him to be the head coach while he was playing.
They let him sit it on meetings, you know, and
in the quarterbacks with with the coaches when they were
going through because they knew he was gonna be a
head coach at some point. So I understand that part
of it, But I mean, at some point, come on, man,
I mean I I get that you may want to
try to keep him in the organization at some point,
because that was what we heard yesterday. But at some

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point you gotta how many more meetings you have to
have it? Let the guy go. Let him go already,
I mean, I get you met with him, I got
you met with him again. Okay, you're gonna be meet
with him again, but just just let the guy go.
At this point, he's still waiting on the ultimate ELSA
impersonator to show up at at Cowboys facilities, so he
can do it properly in a big Hollywood send off,
not like that thing they did with the Rose Bowl

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parade that got so panned from Frozen two. But the
idea is that, I guess you're still evaluating trying to
see who shakes free here in the coaching sphere because
they want to a headman of the highest regard. Maybe
they got a little cold feet on college go, which
is that they were excited about right because people were

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looking at Lincoln Riley and all of a sudden because
they got run. Maybe he's backing away from that excitement.
I don't know. There there's just so many emotions. As
you said, this is family. I mean, this isn't just
a guy. This isn't just a hey guy. We had
up for a five year contract and after year three
we say we're done with this. This is a lifer.

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This is a guy who's probably got a cowboy tattoo
somewhere on his person, and he probably has incriminating things
off the Cowboys buss of Jerry Jones. I mean, this
is a big deal to move on. So trying to
figure out what that right fit is you take your
time seems like you could do it outside the building.
But you know, letting sorry seems to be the hardest word,
and sometimes letting go is is very painful. I keep

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waiting for him to come out and announce that Garrett's
now got another five year deal. We went to the
prom together, We went to your sister's wedding together. I
was in your brother's wedding. But tell me that's an
and how it feels. We missed a playoffs together. We
really underachieved for ten years together. It was such an

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We still haven't won a playoff game in a long time.
But it was so difficult for us and I have
read a hair and it was really hard. So but
but I'll tell you this. I'll tell you this right
now because I guarantee you this is what's happening. The
Dallas Cowboys are not going to have this big, long
ass search of Oh, we're gonna unearth all these people

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and here comes Matt Rule and then here comes we'll
take a stab at Kirk ference again. Jerry Jones, what
he was doing is he can could he find a
way to let Jason Garrett stay with the team in
some kind of role. And now it looks like that
is now out, whether it was as a consultant, whether
it was as some kind of front office personnel man.
But it just became too difficult or he didn't want

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to do it. Jason Garrett wanted to move on, still
be a head coach someplace else in the NFL. But
I'll tell you this much. Is Jerry Jones. There's been
no panic through the first round of hires and interviews.
Mike McCarthy is gonna go talk to the giants now
Urban Meyers popping up on the on the Browns radar.
I guarantee you this, Jerry Jones has one or two
people at most that that he is going to talk

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to for this job. And that's who's gonna get it.
You're not it's not gonna be You're not gonna hear
like seventeen or eighteen names. It's gonna be we're making
a move and here's one two names at most, and
then it's gonna be this is our new head coach.
Is that Lincoln Riley? Is it gonna be Meyers? But
that's your there's what he knows. Who's gonna be. It's
between these two people, and they're gonna figure it out
and that's how it's gonna happen. Because if they really

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were worried or didn't have a plan or wanted to
make sure they got the guy, they would have acted
quicker than this. It would have been longer than a
week after the season is over, and still we're going
through meeting. We're into the new year. No, the Redskins
moved fast. Other teams are moving fast scheduling their interviews.
If he didn't know who he wanted, it would have
been done by now. But I guarantee you it's gonna
be Jason Garrett's gone. We're gonna wait a day, we're

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gonna hear a name, and then we're gonna get the
decay and that's gonna be and that's gonna be the
Dallas Cowboys, and they will go with a big name.
Because once every ten or twelve years, when Jerry Jones
knows I have the talent, I can't just hire a
yes man. I need somebody for a couple of years
to get us to that next level. He goes with
a Bill Parcels type, then follows up, then comes Dave

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camp when then comes Chan Gailey, and then comes Jason Garrett.
For ten years, but He's gonna have to go big
because he knows I need someone that can make sure
to get the most out of this roster. I can't
just hire my normal guy. He's gonna go Bill Parcels
type for this one. It may only be a couple
of years, but that's what he's gonna do. Prove himself
right in terms of the roster that he put together. Remember,
they still gotta pay Doc at the back end of this,

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or you know, franchise, dag him or whatever is gonna happen,
and then make a decision on Amari Cooper. But you
know he's the GM. He goes nowhere, but trying to
find that coach. Maybe he's got to go down to Mexico,
go find that rule, the Matt rule, go and rewalk
the steps that Ezekiel Elliott did during his hold out.
I mean, is that what he's doing are trying to
do some some data and get some data and get

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some research done. But I agree with you. I think
Jerry Jones moved swiftly. This is not Hey, there's eight
guys walking through the door for interviews. They might just
take a list of the guys that have enough pride
that they refuse interviews with the Cleveland Browns. I think
that's where i'd start. What you didn't want to talk
to the Browns. You're on my list, you recognize that
you need more. See that's great, But all on picturing

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is as you mentioned Cherry Jones, going to exotic countries
trying to find coaches. Like we're in a big straw
hat exactly, Yamo, Jerry, I'm looking for uh head coach
head cook? Can you point me in the right direction?
Do I have what I need to trade with you
to get that information? I'm just seeing all these different countries. Now.
See I've got him as Sir Richard Attenborough and he's

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going to find Sam Neil and bring him on the
expedition spared no expense. Uh. I went to the island Newblar.
I bought a big terodactyl, brought it back as a
pet let Zeke's dad keep it, and then it flew away.
So I gotta go find that again. So that's what's
gonna happen. Twitter at how about a Fresca Mike at
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We got Jay Glazer coming up in about fifteen minutes.
He'll have the latest on the Dallas Cowboys, all the
big news coming out of the NFL. But coming up next,
maybe I don't want to say it's gonna be legendary,
but we had a bit of audio today from the
National Football League that is going to become such a
big part of this show. I can't even tell you.
I'm very, very excited about it. It's not it's it's

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gonna be of the Tim Tebow ILK. It's gonna be
that much. You're gonna hear it that much. I'm thanks
to one NFL owner and what he said today. That's
coming up next right here Fox Sports Radio, it's Adam
Gay saying he's a Jet for life. Be sure to
catch live editions of The Jason Smith Show with Mike
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Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio, Fox Sports Radio,
The Ja and Smith's Show with my big friend Mike Harbon.
Happy Happy New Year. I want to make sure I
get that right because of the story we're gonna do now.
Happy New Year. You got it, buddy. It is a
new year. You're still in Detroit. We're back here in

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l A. I've got the entire team assembled. It's almost like,
you know, a superhero group assembling once again. Oh. I
feel like a superhero when I'm in Detroit all the time,
because I'm like, hey, I'm here, I'm powerful. Are you
solving crimes? What are you doing? No, I'm not solving
by solving crime. I just stopped by the police station, going, hey, guys,
got anything I can help you out? You know, I'm

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I'm a radio host, and but I can. I can
solve crimes. On the side, I write mystery novels. Perhaps
I can solve yours. You got like a missing skateboard?
You got anything? Anything I can I can figure out
this is you ain't getting any cat out of a tree.
We know that heakes the lions problem. I can help
you find out why the lions stink? Done. Now, I

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can do all of that. Well, there there's some problems,
some similarities to some other organizations. Uh, and why don't
we just go there? And that's a perfect segue. So
today was the introductory press conference for Ron rivera new
head coach of the Washington Redskins. Daniel Snyder, Redskins owner,
made the introduction. He did not speak when the team

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introduced their previous head coaches, Jay Gruden and Mike Shanahan,
but he wanted to speak today and introduce Ron Rivera
and talk about a new era in team history. And
this is what I mean when I say we are
gonna play this sound drop forever. It's gonna be like
Tim Tebow. It's gonna be like Phil Jackson. It's gonna

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be Tony Richardson saying j E T E jets. Because
here's how Daniel Snyder. I mean, I didn't need to
hear a tight shirt. I just here's how Daniel Snyder
starts his press conference today January second. Um. First off,

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Happy Thanksgiving, everybody, Yeah, this is thank you. Barbara Walters.
The guy started off as press conference by saying happy Thanksgiving,
not happy New Year, not even Mary Christmas with okay,

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it's been a few days, but no, no, no, happy Thanksgiving.
Is person want to make sure hey, happy Thanksgiving. And
you know, maybe he is just maybe he's got a
browser that hasn't refreshed. He still thinks it's Thanksgiving. He
thinks there's like five more games in the season. Oh,
I'm getting Ron Rivera. With five games left to go,
we can make a run. Because we're three and nine.
We can still win the NFC East. Because everybody thinks

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the guy starts by saying good afternoon and happy Thanksgiving.
Well they had a happy Thanksgiving, right, They were celebrating
a win over your Detroit Lions as Thanksgiving him down.
So I mean that was as good as a guy
for him this year. I mean, I can't believe it
was a joke because it's not like he waits for
applause or somebody laughs or there's something inside like, oh

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I get these happy thanks and he don't look play
it again. It's it's he just says happy Thanksgiving. Noon. Um,
first off, Happy Thanksgiving. Everybody, gobble gobble turkey turkey sand
full circle, We're back to go, right back to hardball.
Oh it's happy Thanksgiving. Obviously. Does this mean Daniel Snyder

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can't be an owner? Will not not mean? Not? Just
for this were enough confirmation of other issues. However, it's
still only his third head coach. Isn't that kind of shocking? Yeah?
It given the twenty years he's been in charge. In
the madness of his reign that this is only the
third head coach he's put in in power. He feels

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like the owner who is hands on but then his
hands off for a long time and then comes back
into his ends on, then leaves for a while, then
comes back. Because that that's just kind of I don't
get any flow with him at all, at least Jerry jokes.
I get who he is. He's the GM, it's his team.
Everything is, isn't He's been consistent. We get Daniel Snyder,
and then we don't get Daniel Sneider at all for

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like months, and then suddenly here Daniel Snyder's back again. Okay,
and then we don't get him for months again, and
we got but we got that today, Jason. If I'm
Ron Rivera, that's the slow clap, and on Saturday we'll
celebrate the anniversary. Bill Belichick telling your jets to go
to hell. I'm Ron Rivera. I'm just walking right back
out the door, you know, like the Abs Simpson going
into the bordello where he comes in, gives Bard his

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hat and launched right back out. That's it. That's Ron Rivera. Here,
I'm out. He's just whistling as he gets a Ron
Rivera has got to be saying, oh, this is not
off to a good start. This is this is really
not off to me. This makes Woody Johnson sound like
the Haunts or the Rooney's. You know. Forget about the
fact that he's gotta raise his hand going who who

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do I answer to? Hey, I hope you enjoyed us
beating the Lions earlier today on National two. Now, wasn't
pass animal Happy thanks I mean what I I mean,
that's gonna that's it. That's gonna be the drop. Just
that happy Thanksgiving everybody. It's brilliant. They killed us Bruce Allen,

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so he's not there to run stuff. Rivera comes in
and this in a power of the best part. Everybody
celebrating it, the last part not just happy Thanksgiving, but
to everybody. Hey, everybody else everyone you know, and maybe
Bruce Allen. Part of what he did while he ran
the Redskins was I always updated Daniel Snyder on the
correct holidays. Then, because you know, Bruce Allen got fired,

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he was he was up to him to freelance. Did
we lose someone else in the organization today, Jason, let
me find out that a staffer that was supposed to
help Snyder with his comments. Screwed that one up and
didn't remind him of the date. I told you he'd write,
read whatever you on his index card. He just right.
I'm just gonna write to everybody in the crowd. Uh,

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I'd like to tell us how we just signed signed
a new quarterback. Congratulations Joe thisman. We're looking forward to
great things from him as we start a new era.
Art Mark were we are in negotiations with a new
deal for him and dexter Manly will be I mean,
I I don't I don't get it. Dexter Manly, right,
this is such a horrible optic. It's like typical Redskins,

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and it's typical because it's hiding all the rest of
it's standing in for all the rest of their dysfunction.
Bruce Allen, who was a horrible front office executive for
the past ten years. We look, we heard this season
he wouldn't even watch tape of of of rookies and
people coming out of college anymore. And when they were
we were trying to break stuff down, he was on
his cell phone when they're looking at tape, and you know,

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so he was obviously needed to go. But now you've
gone and you've hired Ron rivera before where you've hired
a general manager. If you're gonna hire a GM, who knows.
Maybe Daniel Snyder is like, yeah, I'm just gonna do it.
Now I'm gonna be the just feel like doing it.
The whole division goes that way. Gettleman gets fired and
there's an avoiding with the Giants as they hire their

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new coach. Be fantastic. You know what, Lee, it's a
copycat league. We hear all the time. Everybody's copying Jerry.
Now in the NFC East, the press conference will be
on the Mayflower Happy fourth of July. Everybody that's we're
gonna get it's gonna get next week on Groundogs Day.
We're gonna get Happy Arbor Day. But I mean, but
you need your GM and head coach to be on

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the same page. And your GM can't be someone who
was partly handpicked by your head coach, because then the
coach is more powerful. It doesn't work that way. Look
at the Jets dysfunction by hiring coaches before gms. You
gotta hire your GM and then you hire your coach.
But here's the Redskins said no, and this stands for
all of that dysfunction. Everything that's going on dysfunction with

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Redskins is Daniel Snyder wishing everybody happy Thanksgiving. That's all
you need to know. Five times they made the playoffs
since he's been there the first year, right, he bought
him in May of ninety nine with Jim Zorn at
the Helm. They went and they won the East. Uh.
He was replaced by Mike Shanahan, and then they've gone
to the playoffs four times since, and they've won the
East twice since. Twitter at how about a fresco Mike

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hat swollen old, let me say this, at least if
your team is going badly, well, you're you're you're not
a Redskins fan right now, because boy, that happy Thanksgiving
cranberry sauce. Happy thanks It's gotta be real cranberry sauce.
None of that can stuff. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon weekdays
at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific. Just got late

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breaking news from Jay Glazer. We're going to actually get
to him next hour on the show. I think he's
probably I think he's worked. He's either working on something big,
or he's out with Bruce Arians. It could he could
be either one at this point. I mean, it could
either be he's got a big scoop for us, or
it's gonna be Hey, I'm hanging out with Bruce Arians.
I needed some time trying to bring it down. Here

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is end of season. We can win with them, we can't.
We can win without him. All of those comments they
got people all fired up because nobody knows how to read.
Do you think they're doing shots for every interception James had?
Oh my, which ones under the table first? Oh, you're
you're calling the paramedics that, Like when you get to
week four, do they go thirty thirty? No? No, no,
no no, and you gotta do more. When it's a
pick six, you can't just yeah, they gotta double up

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on that one. Yeah you can't. I mean, you got not.
All interceptions are created equally. You can't just have a
Hail Mary at the end of the half count the
same as a pick six. Donald Donald doesn't throw pick sixes.
I'll tell you what the James drinking game. That's some
dangerous stuff right there. Trademark Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you
better patent pending, that ending, patent pending. We'll work with

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our guys. Remember the golf event. We gotta work with them.
They have a tabletop game here it is take it
with you to the bar on Sundays as part of
your tailgating fair. All right, So we're gonna have Ja
coming up in a bit. And you know, maybe he's
got more on the Cowboys. Maybe again, maybe he's just
out with Bruce Arians, in which case then we can
get Bruce Arians on the show. It'll be awesome. He's
consoling Ron Rivera. That's his guy, you kid me. He's

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trying to talk him down from whatever that was. He's
going Ron saying, hey, happy Thanksgiving? Ron, how do you
feel after day one? How many? How many press conferences
with Ron Rivera? Do you think you're gonna happen from
now on? Where the first question the reporter is gonna say, Hey,
happy Thanksgiving? Ron? Hey, how did how did the team
look today? In seven on sevens? What would it looks

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like today? Hey? Ron? Happy Thanksgiving? Dwayne Haskins development as
we get into his second year, what's it like so far?
That's all the time? Happy Thanksgiving? Well, just always wish
people a blessed Day or celebrate some kind of holiday,
and it's just it disarms him, and it disarms him.
If you go to uh a restaurant and they ask
how you're doing and you say something other than good,
fine or whatever, you're gonna get a second glance because

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they don't expect it. Right, it's out of the ordinary.
Same thing here. Just keep people confused and then they
won't worry about your win lash record on Twitter at
how about a fresca? Mike gets swollen Dome. The Jason
Smith Show with Mike Harmen our first show of the
new year here Mike in l A with me in
Detroit and today, Uh, you know something we were probably
gonna get you with j What we'll talk about here

(26:20):
for a couple of minutes is that we lost a
legend today with the death of Sam Wisch, former NFL
head coach who was one of the most high profile
coaches when we talk about the eighties and nineteen nineties
in the NFL, passing away at the age of seventy
four cause of death complications from cancer. UH. He had
had He had been in declining health the past few years,

(26:41):
but he fought, fought, fought for the past four or
five years, entered hospice earlier this week and passed away
earlier today. And you saw all the plaudits coming out
for Sam Witch over the course of the past few hours.
And and look, everybody, I think everybody besides Jerry Glanville
had a great opinion of Sam White, but obvious lee
his You don't live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati.

(27:03):
Moment is the thing that you remember Sam White four looks.
Sam White went to the Super Bowl, he won many games.
But when fans were throwing stuff on the field in
a very famous game in between the Browns and the
Bengals in Cincinnati, Uh, Sam White got on the microphone
until everybody stopped throwing stuff on the field. You don't
live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati. And that turned

(27:24):
Sam White into a legend. But any guy that takes
to Mike, we see it all the time. And now
it's usually to admonish people from for going on on
the field around the court. Hi, Mike Sachowski. Uh, you
stole Sam White's act. Uh, But certainly he's a guy
you forget how long ago he was coaching, right, because
it was a name that would still come up some regularity,

(27:45):
and we obviously talk about the Bengals a lot because
of well the organization and what they had and the
stability under Marvin Lewis. But you go back and for
for Sam White, I mean, I just remember growing up
and he was the guy that was leading the Bengals
and it was a tough run, but he gave us
Boomer assisin and a Super Bowl run at one point.
But overall, it's it's just a passage of the game, right,

(28:10):
because we yesterday we have the passing of David Stern
before we'd gone on Christmas break, you know, he'd gone
into his health issues, and we we talked a lot
about his career and you just talk about passages of
time and went with Sam White, it's he's one of
those coaches that you remember from just the the era past. Right,

(28:32):
is that he hasn't been active in the NFL for
quite some time, but it is until you start digging
into the the obits and and the write ups of
his career and the great quotes from guys that played
with or against him, you recognize, you know that that
was what the legends, right, the guys we grew up watching,

(28:53):
and it's that that time gone by. Yeah, and the
thing is you want to talk about bringing it full
circle obviously now watching Joe Burrow, A Hey, welcome to Cincinnati,
Joe Burrow, because that's where you're gonna go play. The
head coach of the last Bengals playoff win was Sam White.
They beat the Oilers in that's their most recent postseason victory.

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They made the playoffs a few times, but they've lost
all their games. He was the last coach to win
a playoff game for the Bengals. That was that's twenty
eight years ago. That's even more frightening now that you
put it in that that term. We've got guys that
aren't even qualifying as millennials, that haven't seen a band.

(29:38):
They don't know who are That was the other part
is that you said, what does that means? Has no
idea who the Houston Oilers are? No, he has no ideas,
and that like where I get my oil from? Yes,
it all comes from Houston. Yeah, or it's everyone Yes
in Houston, let's go to the Oilers'. It's gonna be fun,

(30:00):
but you know it's funny though. Jason, as we talked
about Sandwhitch, he coached four years with the Bucks. I
don't really remember him as a Bucks coach at all now,
well because look, he coached the salad days of the Bengal.
He coached the best years the Bengals ever had. They
went to the super Bowl, they were a playoff threat.
They were a really good team. And that was the
best error the Bengals ever had was Sam White. That's

(30:22):
the last thing. They were really, really, really relevant. Yeah,
just the the idea and Marvin Lewis gave them, you know,
years of stability. They couldn't get from point B to
point C. But they were no longer the full on
laughing stock that they became once again this year. But
it's just interesting the number of players we always talked
about that move to another City's like, ah, He's always

(30:44):
identified there off the time. With coaches, we we still
recognize all their stops. Sam White's not not so much.
He's the Bengals guy and yelling at Bengals fans. Seventy
four years old. Sam White, Rest in peace. The Jason
Smith Show with Mike Harmon Live from the Mobile Geiko Studios.
We got more football on the way coming up next.
A big college football story coming off the games yesterday,

(31:08):
We'll tell you who what other big name is gonna
wind up being available at the very top of the
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(31:30):
Mike in l A, Me and Detroit. And the big
news is out of Dallas as the Cowboys will now
be moving on without Jason Garrett. It's since Edward Er,
who's been a Cowboys insider for ever, reporting tonight that
the Cowboys have spent the last few days meeting with
Jason Garrett, taking a lot of care and they have

(31:52):
come to the mutual decision that they're gonna move on
without Jason Garrett. Will be the big and first full
scale coaching search for the cow Boys since two thousand
and seven. We'll have more on this story coming up
in about fifteen minutes from now, But the Cowboys are
moving on. Jason Garrett is gonna be leaving, and look
like this is what we thought was gonna happen. All along,

(32:13):
Jason Garrett was gonna be cooked if he didn't win
the division, get in the playoffs and have a run.
It didn't happen. It's taken a few days, but this
is where we are. It's kind of hoping it was
gonna turn back the other way though, I mean, I
think it would have made for a much more delicious
theater of Jason Garrett and suddenly got you know, his
tenth life and we could do all those undertaker memes
once again for the resurrection of Jason Garrett, as he's

(32:35):
the trusted family guy that they just can't get away from.
But makes sense. You've got a roster that was ready
to win, and they were bum slayers we called it
during the year when they were three and oh right,
it took a lot of other folks time to come
to the party in terms of what we were watching.
Scored a lot of points, scored a lot of points
against a lot of bad teams, and hell, even in

(32:57):
the finale, right game that you're no longer in con
troll of your your destiny, and what do you do?
You go put up all right another bumb that you
you vanquished for all for not good numbers for DAK,
a lot of fantasy titles, but nothing more than that.
I called the Jets about the Gaye kid because uh,
as a head coach, his offenses have finished and thirty

(33:21):
one and thirty second, but uh, it wouldn't give me
permission to talk to him. So I gotta go someplace
else now for maybe I'll call Barry Switzer back again,
see if he wants to come back and coach. Now,
that would be something. Here we go, we get uh,
our our colleague Jimmy Johnson from the Fox lot and
get him back on the sideline Cowboys. Oh oh, sorry, Jimmy,
you're on speed dial next to Barry. I meant to

(33:42):
hit the one that was too Actually you're number two.
He was number one. Yes, sorry about that. I bumped
you down to two. So sorry, but I hope you're
well and uh god speed all right, bye bye. So
we'll have more on this story again coming up in
about fifteen minutes. The Cowboys will be moving on without
Jays and Garrett. But coming off the Bowl games yesterday, Uh,

(34:04):
there's a lot to break down when it comes to
what is next for a lot of these teams coming
off either a big Bowl victory like Alabama, a Big
Bowl lost like Michigan, and any other team in between,
justin Herbert and Oregon, Wisconsin. But the status of t
a tongue of viola is really at the forefront of
every college football conversation. Will he be returning to Alabama

(34:28):
for one more year or will he go to the
NFL draft. Initially he was supposed to talk today, but
then said he's gonna make his decision and make his
announcement on January six. He's got to go to the
National Football League, all right. When the National Football League
wants you, you go. And that's the big thing that
all stars need to learn in college. When the NFL

(34:48):
wants you, you go. This is a year in which
there's one sure fire college football quarterback coming out that
everybody wants, and that's Joe Burrow. Look at what he's
done after the forty five touchdown performance in the semifinal.
What can you say about the guy? But I know
too his stock is low right now because it's the
hip injury and it's the it's the beginning of January.

(35:09):
But as we get closer to the draft and he
gets a clean bill of health and scouts start looking
at tape again. They realize this is a guy who's
thrown thirty some on touchdowns a year in college. He
did it both years he was a number one overall pick.
We thought before the year he's getting back to that. Now.
This is when you want to go because you're gonna
be the second quarterback taken. Someone will take you. You'll

(35:31):
go in the top five, and you will wind up
being the next it star quarterback in the National Football
League because his pet degree is better than Joe Burrows.
Joe Burrows did it for one year and to a
tong aout Ola did it at least for two years.
But he does have the injury tag on him right now,
so that's why he has to wait a little bit.
But stock will come back up on t a because
the NFL wants you. Now, you're gonna wait one more year.

(35:54):
You know number one. You're not going number one because
Trevor Lawrence is gonna go number one, and you don't
know what other quarterbacks are gonna come out then gonna
be Hey, they're the new flavor of the month if
you guys. Okay, we've watched two for the last couple years,
but boy, this quarterback boy. He really excites me. And
this is a guy that's kind of we haven't seen
a lot of and he intrigues me in his skill set.
You don't know what next year is gonna be. You.
You could wind up being the number one pick next

(36:15):
year because something could open to Trevor Lawrence, but likely
he's going number one. You don't know who else is
out there. You know you wind up being a top
five pick because you're a quarterback. You can't pay attention
to any of these mock drafts and say, oh, two
is the number eighteen? Two is the number nineteen, number twelve. No,
he's a quarterback. He's the next rated guy after Joe Burrow.
So he'll go in the top five. They want you
now you kind of have to go. But even if

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he didn't go in the top ten, it's not the
biggest disaster, right to me, going back to college. My
point has been clear on this since a like nine
hundred thousand word missive during that whole Clarette Williams debacle
with the n C double A all those years ago.
If you can and you're eligible to go to the pros,
you're done. You go and and take your money and

(36:58):
you're gonna be a first round pick. We saw what
happened with Lamar Jackson this year, Right, he's the last
guy picked in the round, and he went in and
he worked. Last year they were a tenant six team.
You're going into a better team, better team all around.
You don't have to try to play savior. Joe Burrows
got the worst situation you always. We're just talking about
the the Cincinnati Bengals. All right, I assume A. J.

(37:20):
Green's healthy and John Brown can stay healthy and whatever else. Okay,
maybe you've got a couple of component parts, right, mixing
and spurts looks like a top ten back, but not
not every week. So you've got a couple of pieces.
But overall, you're destined to really climbing a hill to
get back to five hundred in a tough division. When
when you look at what Lamar Jackson was able to

(37:43):
to walk into, and you're you're gonna be around pro trainers,
you're gonna be getting paid, You're gonna be much that
much closer to your second contract because that's where the
money is, right, the huge signing bonus and what what
you can get there. Delaying it in college, trying to
fight through and and play through, potentially get another injury
and chance twitter at how about a fresco Mike gets

(38:03):
swollen dome. When it comes down to it, I gotta
think two was gonna announce he's going to the NFL.
I will have more college football on the way, but
coming up next more on the big story. The Cowboys
are moving on from Jason Garrett. What has been said?
Where could their search go? And who will Jerry Jones get? All?
That's coming up next right here Fox Sports Radio. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith Show

(38:25):
with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific. Hey,
Happy Thanksgiving from Detroit. It's good that you turned back
the clock. I mean it's good. I knew you'd been
gone a while, but all the way since Thanksgiving. Fox
Sports Radio, The Jason Smith Show with my best friend
Mike Harmen the Mobile Geico Studios. We are in tonight,

(38:48):
Mike in l A, Me and Detroit as I'm enjoyed
the last few days of vacation. Not too cold, which
is great. The weather has been kind of mild, not
been a lot of snow. Not being on a talk
about the Lions. It's been it's been a fun last
few days here in Detroit. I mean it's not quite
Thanksgiving like it was in Washington today because apparently the
Greater DC area celebrated Thanksgiving. According to Daniel Snyder, moving

(39:10):
it a little bit slower, that's all. It's It's okay,
he'll get there eventually. He's gonna have his own ceremony
for the ball to drop and everything else. But Ron
Rivera should be worried. On Valentine's Day, it'll be happy Hanukah.
And then we'll get to Memorial Day and it will
be merry Christmas. And then we'll get to fourth of July,

(39:31):
it'll be happy New Year. Well, I mean the fireworks
would be appropriate. So yeah, it sinks up. That's Daniel
Snyder's calendar, and we're all just working to get back
on board. And and and the leap he or maybe
it all lined is up properly. I don't know. Hey,
great note, Steve gave us the Gator Ball Final right
Tennessee with the thrilling come from behind win over Indiana. UH.

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Entering that game. This for ESPN Stats and Info, teams
were a combined and oh for four oh and four
seventy one when trailing by thirteen or more points in
the final five minutes of a fourth quarter this season,
how about that? Bet you didn't know, Bet you didn't care.
But historic nonetheless, maybe I can go get the Kiffen guys.
He's still a Tennessee where is he? Not Like, I'll

(40:18):
go get him. Maybe I'll call Kiffin, I'll get Saban's
phone number, and I'll call and get him. He can
bring into a and then we can really hold off
paying back still pushing Dak off. You just don't never
never got your an end. I mean, because you saw
in the final week of the season they're asking him
about Jason Garrett's job, and even with Ed Werder's report,

(40:39):
there's no guarantee that he's actually fired at this point.
But you saw Dak was going, I don't have a contract.
What the hell am I gonna comment on his four No,
he'll do the Garrett Cole Well, I'm not employed by
the team anymore. But if you're asking me as a
baseball player, well, they'll tell you this is pretty disappointing.
It is a good response. I like that, But this
is the news tonight. Didn't think we'd get big news

(41:01):
that that breaks after ten o'clock at night, But this
is what we get. As Edward or ESPN reporting this
about an hour ago from his official Twitter account, Edward Or,
longtime ESPN Dallas Cowboys insider puts out this tweet quote Cowboys,
Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones have moved slowly and with
an abundance of care and respect for Jason Garrett. Like

(41:25):
that's not a quote right from Jerry Jones. An abundance
of care and respect for Jason Garrett? What does he
eulogizing him? You have a violinist behind him? You know,
we actually watched the Darth Vader Christmas with my family. Yeah,
you watch the Darth Vader. You like that? My wife
it's like it's just this, Yeah, it's Darth Vader burning.

(41:45):
I go for how long ago, I don't know, five hours,
but we watch it for like forty five minutes just
it's Luke lighting Darth Vader and then it's just a
Darth Vader on fire. Who doesn't need a funeral pyre
every once in a while watching Oh no, it's much.
It's a much slow were burned the that watching a
jet skip um so more of the quote, than let
me go. I gotta go back and do the quote

(42:05):
from the beginning. Now too many oneliners. Hey, we've it's
been a minute since we've had this um, you know,
raucous revelry here in Fox Sports Radio studios. Well, it's
our first show together, and now a big story about
It's a pretty big deal. I always got to enjoy
those cowboys, Jerry Joe. This is from Edward ER's Twitter account.
Cowboys Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones have moved slowly and

(42:28):
with quote an abundance of care and respect for Jason Garrett.
That phase expected to conclude soon with Garrett not part
of the organization. Next phase, to involve candidate interviews, will
begin quickly thereafter. So we have had the last couple
of days of Jerry Jones meeting with Jason Garrett. We're

(42:49):
gonna meet again and meet again. What are you doing tomorrow?
I got lunch for you eleven thirty? How about we
all right? I'll make sure we order. What do you want?
I usually get a cherry Coke to drake. You want to,
I'll get you. I'll get you. Jerry coo gone me.
All these meetings they have had and now it looks
like it's done and the Cowboys are moving on now
right now. On the one hand, I get it because

(43:09):
this is not just some guy who was coaching the
team for the past three years. This is not we
hired Adam Gates that didn't work out, we hired Steve
Wilkes an a for a season that didn't work out.
This is he's been the coach since two thousand and ten.
The guys been there a decade, and now he's made
it to two decades. Maybe that's what Jerry Joges is
waiting for. You could say you coached the team in
two decades. But so I get it. It's a big

(43:32):
breakup because he was someone who when he played for
the Cowboys, he was someone that was groomed to be
a head coach and let him sit in on quarterback
meetings when he was still playing, and not not the
player quarterback meetings, but the meetings they would have, the
coaches would have because he wanted to learn, he wanted
to be a coach. The Cowboys really groomed him for this.
So I get it. If you ever had a long
term relationship with somebody and you thought we're gonna get married,

(43:54):
and after a while you realize, all right, you're not
the one for me, and maybe we should see other people.
It's it's tough. It's hard. It's hard to find. Even
though you know, hey, we're better off going in a
different direction without each other, the end is still very hard.
It doesn't come all at once. It's not a bad
breakup where I caught you cheating on me. You're done,
You're out on my phone and I'm slamming you all
over social media. No, this is hey, we tried, we

(44:18):
tried to make it work. Look, Jerry Jones apparently has
spent the last couple of days trying to figure out
if Jason Garrett could stay with the organization in some way,
shape or form, whether it's as a personnel guy in
the front office and valuating time, whatever it was. And
now it looks like it's gonna move on and he's
not gonna stay with the team, likely because he wants
to be a head coach in the NFL again, and
are you're gonna get that with Dallas. Maybe he's can

(44:40):
be a hot candidate to be an offensive coordinator somewhere.
Maybe there's somebody else that would hire him, you know,
whatever it is, this is what what they spent the
last couple of days doing. So on the one hand,
I get it, it's a big breakup. At the other hand,
I'm like, it's it's it's the new year. Let him
go already, let him go. You know, Look, it's for
Jason Garrett. He would love it if you would just say, Bason,
we're moving on. Okay, I get it, We're done, instead

(45:02):
of well, I'm still the head coach for a day
or another day and another day. Believe me, is as
someone who has has worked in a situation in sports,
what we do for living to pull the curtain back
a little bit. Anytime you think your time with a
radio station or a TV station is coming to an end,
you just want to know. You don't want it hanging
over your head, so you can come to work every
day and seeing people who are making a decision on you,

(45:24):
knowing they likely have made that decision, but they won't
tell you anything. It's it's it's an impossible existence. It's
hard to come to work every day. It's hard to
give you all. It's hard to think positively about these
people that you think are just hanging there there evaluation
over your head, their power over your head. And look,
Jason Garrett knows you've had many conversations. You've been there

(45:44):
for ten years. You guys, it's very, very difficult. But
let the guy go. Already it's been you know, the seasons. Oh,
we're moving into the playoffs. Now it's been over for
a bit. Let him go and move on. Well, you
saw the end of the game against the Redskins. Hours later,
he's still thrown past is too buddies and family on
the field under the giant dome, I mean under under

(46:06):
the giant jumbo tron, reporters commenting, goes Woll, recognizing, you know,
the passing of this era. Whatever. I guess he's under
contract to January fourteen. Smith, So I'm gonna get every
bit of information and every player evaluation. What do you
think about this guy? Didn't we talk about him on Monday? Hey,
you're I'm paying you. You're still gonna come into the

(46:27):
office and you're gonna clock your eight hours. I don't
know if they could have him do some other kind
of job that isn't his coaching job. Here, we need
you to clean out the old equipment and the old
paper that we'd stocked up here on all the evaluations
when we used to print them out and go back through,
you'll mightbe find somewhere when you are a player, whatever
the case may be. He's also not seemingly not in
a rush. So I give Jerry Jones credit in that regard, right,

(46:50):
is that there is a bit of pace to this,
And as awkward as it may be with Jason Garrett
and his millions of player evaluations and exit interviews and
whatever else is going on, they didn't jump on the
next thing, smoking right and pay some guys some massive
contract to come in and be the coach. Whether that's
right or wrong, you know, the history will tell us

(47:12):
one way or the other in the hiring or they're
still trying to massage whatever that head candidate is, whether
it's Lincoln, Riley, urban Meyer, whoever it is. But it's
just gotten odd to where each day, even with Edwarder's report,
part of me is like, is it truly done? Are
we going to get another resurrection of Jason Garrett as
head coach here one last hurrah? Maybe we didn't give

(47:35):
him enough to this that the other maybe the play
calling in those games against teams that five hundred or better,
we could go back and figure out the algorithm that
was supposed to work. If we would flip these three
plays on the script, it would have gone differently. I
don't know. Maybe Jerry Jones is wishing, hoping he could
save his family member one more time. Listen, we had
a bit of a thing a couple of weeks ago. Uh,

(47:58):
Zeke's dad was watching all my exotic pets and he
kind of got busted. So how would you like to
do that? Move to Ohio and watch all of my pets.
I got a cheop Acabra in there for you can
go watch him, and uh, I'll pay you the normal salary.
I would pay you in Jerry Bucks, of course. But
now you just watch my exotic animals. That's nicely done.
Everybody just have to remember that we did have the Yes,

(48:22):
the the Ezekiel Elliott dad and the wild animal being released. Zeke,
listen to the fuzz. The fuzz is looking for him.
I'm gonna put Jason in charge of Fuzz. Yeah, the
fuzz and uh that's uh so, I'm gonna put Jason
in charge, and uh, I'll have find something else for

(48:42):
your dad. But just give me a little bit on
it because I gotta hire a head coach. But the
thing about the head coach, and and this is a
big key. Every fifteen years or so, Jerry Jones hires
somebody who he knows we have a good roster and
we gotta get the most out of it. He can't
always hire Dave Campo, you can't always hire Chan Gailey,

(49:03):
you can't always hire Jason Garrett. Guys who are gonna
be yes men and and and do what Jerry Jones wants.
So once in a while you have to go with
a big name and give them responsibility so you can
get the roster to where it needs to be. Jerry
jones neck is on the line, and he knows this
because he has said many times, Look, I'm the GM
of this team. These are all his players. All these
quote hand picked players are Jerry Jones. So now he

(49:26):
knows that I need a coach that can get them
to the next level. So he's got a big name
in mind. And that's what we're gonna hear. We're gonna
hear Jason Garrett is out. Then a couple of days
are gonna go by. We're gonna hear one name maybe
to it most and then you're gonna get the Cowboys
making a decision because the biggest thing to realize is
that he's got to have somebody involved because there's been

(49:48):
no sense of urgency so far. The Redskins snapped up
Ron Rivera, who was a really good head coach, two
time Coach of the Year. They snapped him up right away.
Other people are going for interviews. Mike McCarthy is now
the flavor of the month again because teams are gonna
be looking for CEO type head coaches. Oh, this is
a guy that can run a whole program and he's
an offensive innovator. The Giants are gonna talk to him.

(50:11):
The Browns want to talk to him. We're now hearing
Urban Meyer's name link with the Cleveland Browns. There's a
name that Jerry Joe's wants, or two names that he's
gonna get. One of these two guys, because if he
really thought that he was if you were gonna get
this big nationwide search, it would have happened already. Jason
Garrett would have been let go of the day after
the regular season ended, and they would have been talking
to Matt Rule. They'd have been talking to Lincoln Riley,

(50:32):
they've been talking to all these people, but they haven't,
So that tells you that he's got people in mind
that all they have to do is make the decision
on because they want to be the head coach, and
we're gonna get it pretty quickly because it doesn't make
sense otherwise with all the interview processes going on now
and teams that like their head coaches want to give
them the job right away. To stop them from saying, oh,
well that's great, giants, I like that. I like everything

(50:54):
I had to say, Dave Gentleman, even though you're gonna
be fired in a year, you know, I like everything
you said. But oh, the cowboys just called me. They
want me to interview now that it would happen differently,
Jerry Jones knows who he wants out of this. It's
gonna happen soon. He's gonna end up in Mexico. That's
he's gonna be finding Matt Rule on a beach and
they're gonna have a little boat that they're restoring. Like
it's Shawshank, is that you, Matt? I can't see some

(51:16):
that's it. I've never seen water so blue. Where's the donkey? Show. Hey,
what kind of exotic animals you've got in that boat?
You got something that donkey painted like a zebra? Any
extra serviles? You got anything? Is that a hippopotamus? It's
pretty good. You know, I want a hippopotamus for Christmas.
But it's the way Thanksgiving a couple more weeks. Call back.

(51:41):
So that's the latest. You gotta listen the whole show.
So that's the latest on Jerry Jones and the Cowboys.
According to ESPNS ed Warder, the Cowboys are moving in
a different direction and Jason Garrett's time with the team
is coming to and and we love more in this
coming up. We got Jay Glazer on the way, We
got more big news from the National Football League. And
Happy Thanksgiving right back to everybody. That's his Fox Sports

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Radio FP noon. Um, first off, Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. Be
with Mike Harman weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific,
Fox Sports Radio. The Jason Smith Show with my best
friend Mike Harmen live from the Mobile Geico Studios. Mike

(52:25):
in l A, Me and Detroit. Jay Glazer gonna join
us a little bit. We had the Big Cowboys story
that's been breaking over the course of the past hour
or so. ESPNS Edward are reporting that the Cowboys are
gonna be moving on from Jason Garrett. He is not
expected to stay with the organization. As we know the
past couple of days, Jerry Jones has been meeting with

(52:46):
Jason Garrett every day, and now it looks like the
two sides decided we're gonna move on. You're gonna go
do something else, and we're gonna go get our next
head coach. And Jake Glaze will stop by with us
in a little bit and breakdown that. On a very
happy Thanksgiving for everybody in the Washington, d c. Area. Well,
you gotta celebrate and find your wins where you can,

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and I think that's all Daniel Snyder's doing. He's celebrating
not only the arrival of Ron Rivera, but also just
trying to keep it festive. He doesn't want the party
to end. So if you get hit rewind on Thanksgiving,
that gives him another month to sell Redskins holiday merchandise,
Holiday Holiday Holiday. Joining us now on the hotline no
One Better NFL on Fox Insider Extraordinary, Jay Glazer, Jay

(53:30):
watching the Daniel Snyder presser today. I wanted to welcome
you by saying Happy Thanksgiving. Yeah, you know what I was.
I saw that. I almost tweeted so much today I'm
not gonna And then no, I didn't see anybody else anything.
I'm like, dude, I'm did nobody else hear that? Like
Happy Thanksgiving? I mean, I know we don't really have
holidays the NFL. We just worked through. But I was like,
you just said happy Thanksgiving. We're a couple of months later.

(53:55):
Two I noticed, but I didn't see anybody because everybody
else was talking about, you know, the the direction of
the team, and you know, Ron Rivera and and you
know Daniel Say were saying we need a culture change.
And I'm like, wait, what about the first line of that,
Rob Rivera? I was waiting for him to go Bill
Belichick and just back out of the room. I can't
do though. He is Brown would never he's he puts

(54:19):
it on paper. You've got a word, hey, Jay. Obviously
the big story tonight we saw Edward a report the
Cowboys are gonna move on from Jason Garrett. Hedn't happen.
That hasn't happened yet. Okay, it hasn't happened yet. Um.
It's an interesting thing because the relationship with with Jason
and Jerry. For Jerry, it's just two of them are
so deep, and I think Jason still lobbying, Hey, this

(54:41):
is what you know, we've done this, this, this, we'll
build them were close and and Jerry it's a different
relationship with him with everybody else where anybody else would
be like, you're out, So he hasn't been out and really,
um kind of like you're waking up with a girlfriend
and you guys are really best friends and it's like, hey,
we've just kind of grown apart and you're just thinking.
You're like, well, no, well what's not you know, we

(55:02):
can work on this, and you're like, maybe we can.
But the eventually looked already you know been Um, they're
seting up kind of who you're next. You know, interviews
are gonna be and they're gonna, I think, be pretty
aggressive and quick about this. So I don't think anybody's
gonna go in there to really interview while Jason is
still you know, somewhat employed, if you will, where they
haven't come out and said now we're moving on. Who

(55:24):
are you who have you hearing are some names maybe
that the Cowboys would go after. Because what's interesting, Jay
is that if they do move on, it seems like
they're pretty happy with their pace. Look, Ron Rivera's got
snapped up and Mike McCarthy is gonna be interviewing and
we're here in Urban Meyer's name all over the place. Now, No,
I don't there, but I do think they're gonna look
at guys who established and people who have maybe had
some experience in edge coaching. So I you know, CAT

(55:46):
was a different place. But also, um, you know, I
think some of their staff they're gonna want to retain.
So it's just it's so I mean, it's so early,
and I think that a lot of these teams, the
Redskins jumped out past. I don't see the rest of
them really jumping out fast. I think they're gonna go extensive,
you know. I also, because it's a different year than most,

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there's no last year, everybody wanted to rush out and
get the next Sean McVeigh. So you raised it, well,
there is none right now. Everybody's like, all right, who
do you? You know, what's your pleasure right here? And
you kind of want to you know, see who you
fall in love with when you're interview And I'm sorry,
I think it's even even if a team has something
in mind this year, I think it's wide open for
somebody else to take it. It's funny, Jake, because we've

(56:28):
talked about over the course of the year and your
visits with us, you know, like Cleveland, you got to
get the adult in the room. And it seems, at
least from the outside looking in, that's where teams are
trying to head to this year, as opposed to just
kind of guessing and trying to find the hot hand.
I think because you've seen, like one my Comlin's done.
You know, if they've had all these injuries, what Sean
Payton did without breathe, and I think you realized, all right,

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we need a guy who just to get us through
this stuff and and build this culture here instead of
just an offensive coach, you know, a great offensive coach
or a great you know whatever, you know, a schematic mind.
I think they're realizing, man, that's what coaching really does,
is it gets us over the hump of when we
have adversity. You know the things you're like, look right,
we're real quick. You look at this Doug Peterson right now,

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I mean they got nobody, there's nobody left, and here
they are, you know, in the first round of the playoffs,
where there really had no business team there. And that's
what coaching does. That's that's coaching. You know, it's getting
your team to not give up an overcome. And Mike
Tomlin had blessed the Eagles, I mean at least the
Eagles at their quarterback um. And you would think that

(57:32):
a team like the scene should just fold up when
Drew Brees went down, but man, not at all didn't
certainly didn't miss a step, right, Yeah, you know I
feel like now that because you're right, there's no offensive
there's no hot young offensive coordinators are gonna come. Don't
have run after anybody, right yeah. And so now looking
at the teams and what their needs are, like, what
are the big market teams the team the Giants needs stability,

(57:54):
the Browns needs stability. There's there's there's two things, both
those both those places needing both of those please. Places
need somebody to develop their quarterback first and foremost. Okay,
and look, Pat Tremer actually did a really good job
of developing Daniel Jones as a quarterback, right, but they
need somebody now take him to that next level. And
same was, you gotta take Baker Manyfield. You gotta develop them.
And it's somebody that Baker is gonna listen to and

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respect and want to learn from because he's got to learn.
Whether he thinks so or not, he has to learn right.
And then look, the Browns need a complete culture change,
absolute culture change. So that's what they're saying. Okay, we're
gonna go with the head coach, is gonna help the
head coaches and to help hire the general manager. Stay
with the Washington Redskins. So you know that the Giants
they decided to stick with their GM and and um man,

(58:38):
I think that you know, giants for a different organization
and they're they like to keep their guys that are
have been in the house there and you know, for
them to move on from Dave Gett. But you know,
I kind of don't like bringing in the head coach
when you're GM. Is someone on a one year deal
if you will, because like if if the obviously is
just here, I don't know if they're gonna keep them.
Um I kind of prefer they start fresh with say,

(59:00):
you know, with a tanem the way these other teams
are doing. Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show with Mike Carmen,
Join on the hotline our buddy Jay Glazer cast member
over at at Fox NFL Sunday. Uh, you're still waiting
for that Emmy nom for Ballers founder m v P
merging Vets and Players. Go to Vets and Players dot
org to check out the work he does there at
Jay Glazers where you find him on Twitter and with

(59:22):
us each and every week here on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, nomination.
Shouldn't we have Gottenn Emmy nomination? You just you just
want the Emmy two of them? No, no, no, come on,
you wanted one for acting though? Yeah? No, I want
like bers like Oscar Aup of m Okay, well it's

(59:48):
not on the bio. It's short. I mean, that's what
Twitter does to us. I've been hitting the head a lot.
We'll update that as as we get through. I'll work
to be the the pr maven for you on that
that reporting supporting, supporting actor. I'm trying to search Jake
Lazer egod, you know, Emmy Grammy, Oscar Tony to see

(01:00:09):
what see what comes up here? Yeah, they you know, Look,
I don't like to pray as we get a miss
Tony for what what musical theater work would you like
to be? Uh? Credit just because I was coming along
with the theme song, but the way I was doing
it was just as a masterpiece. I was up for
Best Supporting NOD just when I was not along with it. Well,

(01:00:31):
I don't forget Jay's acting name is Jay's acting name
is Jay Glazer? Alright, so just that Jake Laser. Wait,
that's a whole other genre. That's a whole other set
of awards there, buddy. But yeah, the the NFL coaching garrison,

(01:00:51):
I mean obviously got playoff games going on. Everybody's burying
the Patriots and say, hey, Tom Brady's playing in any
number of places. Can he be cloned? Oh as far
as being somewhere else, Yeah, that's that's what everybody's waiting for.
The demise. Yeah, I think I don't know about demise,
but I think it's his last year in New England.
But yeah, I don't know why everybody's kind of doing

(01:01:13):
the whole Tom Brady demise thing, Like, when's that ever happened?
It's it never has. I don't the Patriots to man everybody.
You know, it's and it happens often where you're going
to playoffs and people kind of I don't know if
it's wishful thinking, but they're different. They are. I mean,
you're just asking them to win a single game, just one,
just one, not one. Focus on this one. There's been

(01:01:34):
no pandem better in the history of the NFL. She
just say I need this one. Win them Bill and
Tom Jay. Lastly, we had the big nominees. The finalists
were announced for Canton UH this year. Troy, Paula, Mallo,
Reggie Wayne the top of the list. If you could
just brainer that's first ballot, Paulo is going. Who would
be a couple of guys you say are going in?

(01:01:56):
I would look. I think John Lynch should have been
in already. I think he was the tone center on
that team. Um Man that that you know, cover to
Tony Dungee defense. It was him who really exact to
him and Ronde would make sure everybody was set for
the supposed to be set, and they were the tone senters.
They had so many great players on there, but I
think more of those guys gotta kinda be put in there.
I think Steve Hutchinson should have been already. Um, that

(01:02:17):
was I'm surprised he wasn't first ballot. Him and Walter
Jones made you know how many of those Pro Bowls
together for a while. Man, Him and Will will Shield
they were the best there were. Um, and you know,
Larry Allen jumped around positions. Hutch is just a pure guard.
Larry Allen's best offensive I'm in that generation, but Steve
Hutchinson's he should have been in already. You can fall

(01:02:38):
on Twitter at Jay Glazer, not Jake Lazer, but it's
at Jay unless the wait, maybe there probably isn't Jake
Laser on Twitter towards Zak Thomas Intershot too. I think
that Thomas should be an absolutely. JJ is always Manny appreciated,
my friend, my guy. Yeah, I got like twenty two
of those. Oh but yeah, but at yeah, I want

(01:03:00):
a couple of those yet. Well, you know, I'm trying
to do right. I'll just make sure to add them all.
I mean, I know there's been a lot of nominations
for the show, but I know he wanted that acting
one for for his own personal efforts. We gotta make
sure we keep working on any you know, if there
is anybody that could be a presenter there? I would

(01:03:22):
say it would be Jay. I could say I could
see him they're presenting, coming out and and giving some
kind of quick uh speech about you know, unbreakable and
everything else, and giving out an award and going, hey,
there's Jake Lazer. I could see that. But I could
see him doing it as Jake Laser, and and and
then him saying no, that wasn't me. That was somebody else,
his evil twin brother, like he's Lore on Star Trek

(01:03:44):
the Next Generation or something like that, his evil brother. Lord. There,
let's see there is a Jake Lazer. Alright, good, you
found the link. No, well, are you on your own computer?
Or way? Am on my own computer? Oh? Then you're
fine that you're at work. Yeah, well, it depends on
how good the WiFi is. Okay, Well, there was someone

(01:04:04):
from the Lafayette College Athletics. He was on a tennis team. Alright,
someone at the Tough School of Dental Medicine. All right,
there's at least two legitidentists by day. Wow, there's that insert.
Uh No, I'm not even gonna do it. No, it's
it's two earls too early. That one liners were just
lining up there at how about a fresco at s

(01:04:26):
Wall and Dome. No, no mention of drilling, nothing, nothing
cat to the main stage. I'm gonna eat that ass up.
Whoa whoa ty should come on, man, come on, we
got we got some time to go. Come on, uh
coming up in nineties seconds. We have another big story
out of the National Football League. But first, be sure
to catch live editions of The Jason Smith Show with

(01:04:48):
Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
The big Citrus Bowl game between Michigan and Alabama, and look,
being in Detroit, this is all anybody was talking about
coming into the game. Was Michigan gonna show up like
Michigan needed to validate Jim Harball and the team's entire

(01:05:10):
existence by winning this game. And instead you saw Michigan
get thumped in a game that quite honestly, this was
not a hardball loss. And I know that everybody here
is insane. You turn on the radio, that's all they
want to talk about. Should hardball still be the coach?
And and I I want to turn around and ask
people and say, what program do you think you're talking about. Okay,

(01:05:32):
Michigan has won one national championship in college football in
the past seventy years. When when did suddenly this become
we should be playing and in the playoff and winning
national championships every three or four years. I get that
you're piste off that you're not beating Ohio State fifteen
out of sixteen. Ain't a blippin recruiting. Ohio State is

(01:05:52):
just at a much higher level than Michigan was. Look.
I know in the nineties that Michigan would beat Ohio State,
would always find a way to ruin their see season.
But Ohio State for the past thirty years has been
a better team than Michigan. And I don't know where
people think that, oh, we should be doing better. No, Michigan,
you're winning nine or ten games a year. This is
what hardball is doing. You're beating most of the teams

(01:06:14):
you should be beating. This is a tougher one because
you lost four games, but you lost to Alabama. You
didn't lose to a six win MAC team. It's freaking Alabama,
I mean, and and every I feel like everybody is
just so caught up in hardball. Should have been here
and we should be national champions. That now everybody is
just not even speaking rashally when they talk about what

(01:06:35):
they want out of their head coach, what they want
out of their football program. I don't get it. At
three double digit win seasons in the last five right
under hardball, you've got a nine win season. Sure they're
one in foreign bowl games? Shrug. I know what does
that mean in the the grand scheme of things. Either
nothing if it's not if it's not a playoff game.
The bowl game means nothing, just two and a half

(01:06:55):
weeks that you can practice and get ready for next season.
But really it's it's who who shows up, what team
decides we're gonna show up, what team decides, Hey, we
practice hard. It's a bowl again, that really doesn't mean anything.
It's very much a crapshoot. But you know, some folks
live and die by somebody's bowl record. Others dismiss it
and and go down. The route you took was saying, hey,

(01:07:17):
I've got two and a half more weeks to do evaluation,
start building on the next year, So let's take advantage
of it anyway we can. What happens on game day,
whatever we we did what we did in the big ten.
That's all that matters. You just go back through the history, right,
you had a bunch of ten win seasons under Lloyd Carr.
You had some abject failure in some of those Rodriguez

(01:07:38):
and Hoke years. Now you've got consistency and you're winning,
and you're in the headlines. And I'd love to see
the dollars and cents because that's really all that matters
in this right. You know, people want to post up
Michigan because of the size of the program, size of
you know, everything with it, with the stadium and all.
If they're still pulling in money and people are backing

(01:08:02):
the existence of Jim Harbaugh there and building new buildings
on campus and and the money flows through the boosters,
what's the difference. You start dialing it all the way
back into the history there, there's some great success, but
both Shamba Laurie walking through that door. It's a much
different world on the college landscape than it was in

(01:08:23):
nine when we were talking about perennial double digit win
seasons and and all the Rose Bowl victories that were
there and everything. It's recruiting wise and talent wise. It's
so dispersed because of scholarship rules and just the idea
of how do I get myself visible to play on Sunday.
It's not a matter of Hey, I'm gonna go there

(01:08:43):
because they were a powerhouse when I was five years old.
It just doesn't work that way anymore. Twitter At how
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Hopefully you have punched your ballots for the NBA All
Star Game, because oh boy, do we got something for
you coming up next right here on Fox. Happy Thanksgiving everybody.
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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(01:09:48):
my best friend Mike Harmen from the Mobile Geico Studios. Mike,
in l A. I'm in Detroit, where I think whether
in l A. Is very similar to Detroit. It's like
fifty something to agrees here right now. And I checked
the weather in Sherman Oaks, where our studio is. It
was around fifty degrees. I feel like I'm not missing anything.
And that's where the similarities end. I bet you you

(01:10:08):
don't have a bunch of fire trucks and ambulances and
and police cars. Well maybe you do. This is Detroit.
That was that little bit joke. One of you is
supposed to start laughing at some point, and that sent up.
But yes, we did. We we just we just let
it breathe for a second. To everybody else any other city,
I'd give it to you, Mike. Yeah. Yes, Look, look

(01:10:33):
I'll tell you that you know what the big you
know what the big story is in Detroit. This is
Did you see the story about the firefighters who took
the selfie in front of the fire of an abandoned building.
There was a building they were called to put out
a fire in at like two o'clock in the morning
on New Year's Eve. They got there and they thought
the building was abandoned. It was a bunch of They
decided that they couldn't save it. It was too dangerous

(01:10:55):
to go inside, which happens, you know, the fireman see
something is too dangerous, there's too much smoke. They let
the building burn because they have no choice except they
took a selfie. All eighteen fireman took a selfie in
front of the building, and the people actually all the
building were really upset about it. That's been the front
page news here the past couple of days. Fireman taking
retireman taking a selfie in front of a burning building.

(01:11:16):
Which one of them was enough to post it to
social media. I don't know. I don't like to share
with each other and just go all right, this is
a weird night whatever. But you know, as soon as
it starts becoming a here's what we found on the disposable,
you know camera, like the end of the Hangover, then
you got problems. So I guess the horse and buggy

(01:11:38):
story made it to the back page. Yeah, yeah, the yeah,
the drunk guys speeding in their horse and buggy. We
immediately were looking for you in that did look like
you with the bull cut wig? Yeah, four young men.
None of them were me, although if I put a
bull cut wig on, maybe one of them could. One

(01:11:58):
guy looked like it could be. They took a horse
and buggy and started driving it around a town in
Michigan and throwing beer cans out of the window of
the horse and buggy, and then they got busted. This
is this is this is the news here in Detroit.
So you're staying, is what you're telling me? You like,
you like what you've got there? Well, do I want
to come back to the voter fraud of the NBA
All Star Game Alex Caruso and Taco Fall. Hey you

(01:12:24):
voted for Alex Caruso. Well, I've lost count, but my
thumb sure as hell hurts. He's been bandaged up all day, refreshing.
I love, I love. Look, it's a game for the people,
by the people. And and remember when Taco Fall was
gonna check into the game last week and you saw
Brad Stevens gotta rolling up the crowd, going, go ahead,

(01:12:47):
go ahead, come on, let's get that standing ovation going.
And then he went and he what he did the
Boston Philharmonic. I mean, all of that stuff, there's just madness.
Give the people what they want. Here's why I love
this story, right while love the fact that you know, look,
we get it all the time in baseball. You see
players get the ballot boxes stuff from the NHL. It
happens as well. And a few years ago somebody who

(01:13:08):
was just a I forget who it was, just an
average defenseman got voted into playing the All Star Game.
And look, we see it everywhere. And it's kind of
funny to see Alex Caruso and Taco Fall in the
top ten and their respective positions. But this is why
I love this story, because nobody cares more about their
status and being All Stars and winning awards that NBA players.

(01:13:30):
I look, the league is about the individual, so I
get it, but nobody cares more about how they're perceived
and their image than NBA players, and and that they
would all just go crazy if Taco Fall and Alex
Russo got named to the All Star team. You would
see God, you would see Lebron and Kevin Durant. Even
though he's injured, and so many guys set up and go,

(01:13:52):
this is ridiculous, this is ruining the fabric of the game.
They would go absolutely crazy on this and social media.
Otherwise they want Adam Silver to step in because they
want what what is most important to them, and that
is my image. These players, these stars get what they
deserve instead of having a laugh at it, which what
all of us are laughing at, which is what happens

(01:14:13):
when you see the voting in Major League Baseball. In
the NHL, it's kind of funny to see it, but
just see it now the NBA, all the stars would
go absolutely crazy and they would lose their minds. That's
why I want this to happen. Well. Where it gets
even better, though, Jason, is when we start seeing the
list of how much money was lost by guys not
making it. Here was a two dollar kicker for being
an All Star or a half a million dollars right,

(01:14:35):
Because we were seeing that towards the end of the
NFL season with different statistical uh, different accomplishments guys were having,
whether it be receptions or yardage or whatever it was.
Maybe the same thing happens here and we start seeing
the list. That's the way you start invoking change and
people being mad. It's one thing to have the outlier

(01:14:56):
of a cruise or fall make the team. When it
starts affecting that eyes pocketbooks, then it's next level, because
you know, otherwise it's it's a nice entertainment piece. You
might as well vote Kevin Hardy and while you're at it. Yeah,
but look at look at the guys who are gonna
go to the All Star that. That's the thing about
the NBA All Star Game is that all the best
players go. It's not like any other league where one

(01:15:16):
guy has to make it and you have a player who, hey,
this guy making the All Star Game is a big deal.
Everybody's going to a big star. You know, all the
guys that go there, there's nobody who just happens to
make their way on an old boy. This is here's
a rookie. No, no, everybody who goes is a pretty
big star. I think you have to find a way
to just laugh at this a little bit. Yeah, they're
they're humorless. They're humorless guys for the most part, unless

(01:15:37):
it's Kawai going ha ha ha ha ha ha. Other
I mean because Lebron takes everything seriously, even when guys
trying to have fun with him, and then when he
says something, he goes, oh, that was a joke. You
didn't get it, Then you have to do that fake. Hey,
Jerry Jones is now talking to us, so we have
to laugh awkwardly kind of thing. So yeah, no, I
hope this delicious theater if it turns out this way.

(01:15:57):
Twitter at how about a frescup, Mike, It's Well and Dome.
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(01:16:20):
Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with My best
Friend Mike Carmen. We all, you know, it's about time.
We haven't heard from Bill Belichick at all. Tonight It's
It's Mike and I first show of two thousand and twenty,
and Bill Belichick hasn't told us he's hating a song
until now. I'm not on snap face and all that.
Maybe it's gonna be a kinder, gentler Bill Belichick this year.

(01:16:42):
Now forget he's running late coming out of the holidays,
got mixed up as to what day it was, the
other stuff going on, you know, and oh, by the way,
you know you think tomorrow we're we're not going to celebrate,
you know, Saturday being the twentieth anniversary of Belichick resigning
head on to millennials have no idea, they have no

(01:17:04):
idea who the Jets are. I have to explain the
Jets to millennials that they're not there. As soon as
you say butt fumble. Oh the Green guys, twenty years ago,
everything changed. I mean, we hadn't got a break. We
haven't gotten a break, um, but we do have something
speaking of the butt fumble, and maybe this would would

(01:17:26):
you say, Mike, knowing what we're gonna talk about in
twenty minutes, that what we have coming up is the
audio version of the butt fumble? Or how would you
how would you describe it? Yeah? I think you could
say that. I think yeah, I think that's pretty close
right right about it? Because this will live on in infamy.
I mean, it's it's really just the latest in a long,
lun dry list of problems for the you know principle

(01:17:50):
involved here. But yeah, sure, let's let's go with that
audio version, all right, without the Chris collins Worth analysis. Yeah,
they're but and here's what Reggie White used to do
to people. Fork like you want to hear it. No, no, no,
we don't have Sanges gets hit. The ball is loose

(01:18:12):
and it's alive. I've never seen seen this before. This
Vince Will Fork is gonna throw Brandon Moore back into quarterback.
He's gonna fumble football. This is what used to do
to people. Just lift him over the Mark Sanchez not
expecting it. And it was Brandon Moore. If you keep

(01:18:35):
talking over it, we're gonna have to replay it again. Man.
That's happy New Year, Happy New Year. Well I missed
the line. Not cool, that's all right, Frostburg, Happy Thanksgiving.
Well we'll get to the audio version of the Bud
fumble coming up in about Turkey, it was always today
was so good Turkey. I I didn't think Turkey do

(01:19:00):
oh no, no, you know what, White Cat, because look,
I'm in Detroit doing the shows, out of here, doing
the holidays with my wife you're the only guy, explained
doing with the audience that vacations in Detroit. We still
have a problem with this. We're gonna petition for next year.
I'll write the letter to the family. No, let's go
to Detroit. Vacation in Detroit in the wintertime. That's how

(01:19:21):
tough I am. No, that's Detroit. Something else. Yeah, no, no, no,
I vaca try to love is blind. Love doesn't feel
frost bite. I don't know something like that. I was
so incredibly excited to get off the plane and go
to Whitecastle because White Castle in Detroit is like Starbucks
in Los Angeles and New York. I mean, it's every
other block. I haven't had this yet, but they have

(01:19:43):
a new Sloppy Joe Burger and come what Doe? Just
the term sloppy Joe give shivers down the spot. But
I mean, we could just drive to Vegas. We could
do a team road trip to get White Castles fresh
in Las Vegas. We don't need to go to Detroit.
Jason does though. No, no, no, jackass, come on, well, no,

(01:20:06):
you can go to Wigan. But I you know my
wife's family is they can come to Las Vegas. Tell
me they wouldn't rather escape to Vegas. Veas. Now that
is a movie patent pending fat and pending fat. This
Hacki's in Vegas. Oh you must be from Michigan. Um No,

(01:20:27):
they gladly stripped those off the best part of the holidays.
We'll get to uh Dallas Cowboys in a couple of seconds.
Three times that we celebrated Christmas. I was gonna say, thanks,
we celebrated Christmas on So it's my wife's family is
coming in and we're celebrating. You guys don't know how

(01:20:48):
to read the calendar either, well, because we were flying
in from you know, on the twenty six. We're sorry,
we'll do it all in the alright, great. So two
of my family, my wife's family members are you say,
we're gonna bring our special family keiche. And it's like, okay,
bringing keiche, al right great? And then they show up
and they go, here's the kiche, and the kiche are
white castle crave boxes with twenty four burgers. And they

(01:21:13):
had to crave cases. One was cheeseburgers and one was
was was hamburgers. And here's how innovative I am and
how desperate I am for cheese of course, all the
cheeseburgers go fat go first. Right. There's like, tell me
you didn't elbow the kids and women out of the
way to get to the cheeseburgers. I'm not saying that hurt. Listen.
I'm not saying I wasn't the first person in line,
but I didn't elbow anybody. But they're sure I stood

(01:21:35):
in front. Of course, all the cheeseburgers go first. Cheeseburgers, right,
So what's left to the hamburgers? I was like, this
is this is not acceptable? So I go upstairs to
my to my aunt and uncle's refrigerator. I pull out
the Velvita craft slices, bring him down, and just start
putting my own cheese on the white Castle burgers. I'm like,
great now, but now I can eat the hamburgers because

(01:21:56):
I can put my own cheese on it. I wonder
how many homes I would have to go through here
in southern California before I found someone who stocked Velvita.
It is a little rubbery, not a sponsor. It is
a little rubbery, but when you put it on a
hot burger, it kind of melts a little, but it
tastes fun. I like the kind of melts it kind
of because it doesn't melt all the way and you

(01:22:17):
can't put it in a in a microwave for so
so long because you wanted to want to cook the
jes because like the experimentation with Velvita experience listen, because
if you put a white Castle burger in the microwave
for too long, because it's a smaller burger, it will
dry up fast, so you can't really do it kind
of melts. Probably trial and error about fifteen years ago.

(01:22:39):
But now you know, now I know we're gonna do
a little bit of it. So I melted a little
bit and I still taste the cheese. Now I'm gonna
go to Whitecastle aft of the show to be two
o'clock in the morning and be driving on empty roads
listening to Riff one oh one on the way and
listen to to Greta van Fleet and I'm gonna go.
I want to go get something. I gotta go get
a White Castle. Give me the sloppy. There's there's the

(01:23:02):
commercial that you make. It's Elvis singing True Love Travels
on a gravel Road. Take that of the Afghan Whigs
version uh and it's you on your road to white guests.
The Sloppy Joe's Come with fries and ammonia made I
think the Sloppy Joe's uh come, however they do, I
don't know. I'm a little frightened if you if you

(01:23:22):
actually do that experiment, you have to record it. But
I need to see that we can go viral for
that one. Excuse me, I'd like, uh, three double cheeseburgers,
no pickles. I would like a three mini chicken sandwiches
with no cheese. Sir, why don't you spend sir? Why
don't you just buy a whole case if you're ordering

(01:23:44):
that many and the four of your sluppy Joes for
a cop No, listen, this is just for one person,
just from someone order what I want to order? Are eating? Yes?
I am. Oh, I gave it away, you know, I
gotta Hopefully it's a twenty four hour white Castle or
I'm going wind up going to tim Morton's for Don't

(01:24:06):
Go Dry, and they give me a white Castle crown
to wear like I'm a little kid. They sharpening your
plastic fork and knife, hey with when you buy twelve
sandwiches you get this crown. Oh? Thank you very much.
Everywhere a bib when you're eating lobster, Jason, Nope, it's
got a picture of a All right, now forget now.

(01:24:31):
You know you guys are getting for the holidays. Next year,
you're all getting White Castle and White Castle T shirts.
That's you're getting. The probably were probably wear a vintage
white Castle. Rob Parker put a Fox Sports Radio patch
on it. No, no, no, I'm gonna wear it, eat
white Castle. Whatever spills on it. You guys are getting
those shirts. Dame used. It's gonna look like a Banksie.

(01:24:57):
It's really expensive. That's the spittle from his a teen slider.
I might go fancy and get the jump Man patch.
I don't know yet, my goods. Yeah, that's where the
show is tonight, Fox Sports Radio. Happy New Year, everybody.
I'm sorry, I keep screwing that up. That's all right.

(01:25:17):
You will you will learn why. It's Thanksgiving coming up
in about ten minutes. But as we sent tonight, the
big story of the night out of the National Football
League courtesy of Edward or ESPN insider. Longtime Dallas Cowboys
insider tweeted this out a couple of hours ago. Quote
Cowboys Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones have moved slowly and
with quote abundance of care and respect for Jason Garrett,

(01:25:41):
like that wasn't something that was forced from Oh, here
you go. Here's the quote abundance of care and respect.
Make sure you put that in the in the Twitter machine.
In that phase expected to conclude soon with Garrett not
part of the organization. Next phase to involve candidate interviews
will begin quickly thereafter. We talked to Jake on the
show following report and he said, listen, this is not

(01:26:02):
done yet. Jason Garrett is still the head coach. In fact,
he's still the point where he's trying to convince the
Cowboys and say, listen, we've done so many good things together,
but this is not done yet. But this is what
Edward Or says, is that it's gonna conclude soon with
Garrett not being part of the organization. You know, this
is it's it's difficult, and look, we've talked about this,
you know in the first couple of hours of the show.

(01:26:25):
Ten years. Jason Garrett has been there and it's really
hard when that's been your head coach. Should think of
anybody who's been there a long time. The final day
is going to be difficult. The final days are gonna
be difficult because you've gone through a lot. Now you
haven't one at all, but you've gone through a lot
because you've been there for ten years. It's like a
breakup with somebody for ten years. The breakup is gonna

(01:26:47):
be long. It's gonna although, okay, I got okay. The
guy my wife was dating for eight years before me,
they broke up pretty fast and we started dating. So
there was that. But outside of that, because there's always
an liar, it's always it's difficult when you have a
relationship that's that long that things get a little more difficult.
In the end, is a little bit longer and more

(01:27:08):
drawn out. Because Jason Garrett, his family and the last
couple of days, what we're hearing is that potentially they
were looking at ways in which Jason Garrett could stay
on the Cowboys in some sort of position, whether it's
a front office position, a scouting position, whatever it was.
But now it doesn't look like that's gonna happen again.
This is according to Edward or and the Cowboys are
gonna move on. So I completely get what's been going on.

(01:27:30):
I understand this part of it. But at some point,
you gotta just let the guy go, you know. I mean,
the worst thing to do when you're when you know
you're gonna get fired or not get brought back in
a job is to have it just hang over your
head and you know at some point it's gonna happen.
Except Jason Garrett's gott I live this in front of
the entire sports world. Oh we're gonna meet Okay, we're
gonna meet this day and he's gonna get fired. Nope,

(01:27:51):
they're gonna meet again. Okay, they're gonna beet the next
day and he's gonna get fired. Nope. They met twice,
they're gonna meet again, and it's at some point you
just have to let the guy go. We know you're
gonna do it. We knew this was gonna be it.
We knew this was not going to be away for
Jerry Jones to celebrate a year in which his handpicked
team falls short of the playoffs, and Jason Garrett was
going to be the guy that was gonna fall on

(01:28:12):
the sword. This is going to happen, and as we hear,
it's just a matter of time until this actually does
and the Cowboys will move on. You know what the
Jason for for Garrett, He's had this for a couple
of years now, right, Why aren't they win anymore? Why
are they are? And then this was supposed to be
it Because the contract expires January fourteen. He can also
just tell Jerry Jones to beat it at this point, right,

(01:28:34):
he is only paid through through the fourte If they're done,
he could say, I, I you know what, I don't
have our standing lunch engagement anymore. I got other things
to do. I got golf to play. I got friends
and family to see. I missed the holidays because I
was held up in offices with you talking about the
future and finishing off the season. Man. Part of it
is Jason Garrett can double bird him on the way

(01:28:56):
out too. But it goes back to family loyalty on
each side. And every time that Jason Garrett gets to
go back in that building, you know what he gets
to do. You know what, Jerry, I got some ideas
how the best utilized player X y Z. Here's what
I think we could do. And he can keep pitching
and selling because of if Jerry and Stephen don't have
one guy identified, that's the obvious candidate. They get to

(01:29:17):
make their pitch to stay and get that stay of
execution one more time because the talents there. Right when
we talked about all fifty three is coming into the
year when we have them Philadelphia. Philadelphia survived despite all
the injuries and problems. I think people need to appreciate
Carson Wentz and Miles Sanders perhaps a bit more than
they did the seasons they had. But go on down

(01:29:38):
the line that the Cowboys were right up there with
all of them and the only real big injury they
had was Vanderish, So it's all right, what's the change?
Was it? Kellen Moore and play calling? Was that the
problem when you got into these better team games against
better opponents because they failed time and time again. Or
the Jets? I think it was their loss of the
Jets that did it. We lost to the Jets. Man,

(01:30:00):
come on, no, that's certainly the one that got him
a bunch of text messages. I mean, for for Jerry
Jones mocking him of the low point of the season,
that that's certainly in the case. But you know, Jason Garrett,
give it the old college trial. And if if Jerry
wants to keep inviting you back into the building. That
means he still has feelings. Then he still loves you

(01:30:20):
as a family member and may want to continue the relationship,
and maybe you're just able to put the right words
and blueprint together to get it done. I love it
because it's more chaos. Then hey, Ron Rivera shows up
at a press conference like, come on, that's done. We
don't have any more fun with who they might hire
and interviews to go through there in Washington, whereas we

(01:30:43):
still have Cleveland with a giant power void. So you
know you've got all of that. But at fifty three
years old, eventually Jason Garrett still wants to to be
a head coach. There's no question about that. Twitter At
how about a fresca Mike gets swollen? Done? The Jason
Smith Show with Mike Harmon again This from ESPNZ word
or the Cowboys will be moving on soon with Jason

(01:31:04):
Garrett not being part of the organization. But coming up next.
If you thought the Cowboys are full of dysfunction, they
got nothing on the story and NFL team brought us
today that is going to be a legendary part of
our show forever. That's coming up next. Keep it right
here Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at

(01:31:25):
ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app Fox Sports Radio. The
Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Carmen And
to show you that maybe the Pack twelve and college
basketball is going to be like the Pack twelve in
college football. U c l A, which lost at home

(01:31:46):
the other night to cal State Fullerton who was four
and ten. Yeah, they lost at home to a four
and ten col State Fuller looking ahead, they also lost
the Hofstra. He did lose the Hofstra at home and
got them with twenty seconds to go. U c l
A trails Washington by one sixty four sixty three. So

(01:32:09):
they lose the Hofstra at home, they lose a four
wind cal State Fullard and team at home, and now
they're nearly pulling the upset over Washington sixty three. Gotta
love some chaos mixed in your Pack twelve. After dark
here as we start a new calendar year. It's a
beautiful thing. This is I mean, this is just like
the Pack twelve in college football. It's insane good that

(01:32:31):
means it'll be watchable the next couple of months in
U c l A. Man, I tell you because we
had that great speech from cronin what was it a
few days ago, right, talking about effort and and all
of those. It's a it's a great sound bite, one
of those if you you coach your kids, or or
they're being coached by someone they don't like, it's like,
how'd you like this guy getting nafter? Certainly some fun

(01:32:55):
there and and right now just trailing by one with
seconds germaining, Oh, it's insane. Look Pack twelve after time.
If this is what it's gonna be, just that's great.
Just Pack twelve should be the crazy crazy ULCO that
lives in the attic conference. Everything should be played extremely
late at night and on the weekends. All right, if
you're gonna what happened for Frostburg, what happened? He hit

(01:33:18):
a three UCLA hit A three c l A hits
A three time in hits the three sixty six sixty
four now seven point nine seconds remaining. Here's the quote
from the other night quote. We need to get some humility.
Cool does not win. You gotta be willing to do
the uncomfortable things that go into winning. And he said
it with a straight face that well echoed so many

(01:33:41):
killers in past movies that we've talked about on the show. Well, listen,
I'm look. Mike Hopkins is gonna pull something out of
Jim bay Huns playbook and figure out something that's all
gonna happen. He's gonna whip his jacket off and throw
it down, and people are gonna get really upset, and
we're gonna superimposed Michael Jackson going, Oh, how it's gonna

(01:34:02):
That's how it's gonna go. Buddy bay Him is gonna
pee his diaper. Hey, hey, buddy by her most important player.
He's gotta hit threes if we're gonna win important, which
is really insane. The mellow we have job by Dad,
I'm lady got him. His other kid went to Cornell.
I know how much do you think he paid him

(01:34:26):
allowance to go? I think whatever is allowed under under
the number thinking lets him stay out after midnight. You're
back by midnight, or you're not playing tomorrow. But Dad,
I'm the only one to get into three. You're right
about that, all right, just come back whenever we'll have
you there. So that's where we sit right now Washington
trails u c l A. We'll get the update from
Steve to Sager coming up in a few minutes, and

(01:34:47):
see if the Huskies can win an escape the suddenly
potent u c l A brewing with her sixty six
sixty four back tell shows me high scoring and exciting.
But today, I bet you didn't know it. But today
was not the day after New Year's Today was not
a day to say Happy New Year. Today was a

(01:35:10):
very different holiday because when the Washington Redskins had their
press conference day to introduce brand new head coach Ron Rivera,
who they hired very quickly after the season ended. Rivera
is a two time Coach of the Year. He's gonna
bring stability. He is a great head coach, one of
the nicest guys in the NFL, and he's got to
be thinking I want out. Because this is the beginning

(01:35:31):
of Daniel Snyder's press conference. He didn't introduce the last
two head coaches he hired, Mike Shanahan and Jay Gruden,
but he wanted to speak and say, hey, here comes
a new era for the Washington Redskins. So here's how
Daniel Snyder started his press conference today January twond again
today January two. Um, First off, happy Thanksgiving. Everybody Happy Thanksgiving?

(01:35:59):
But that for ponder that because you heard it when
you were watching it live or even in replays. At
first it it doesn't it You think it's a dead
pan kind of joke or something. It's like did I
hear that? Like did he say it because something had
just happened and the people in the room knew it,

(01:36:20):
or it was an inside joke with a few reporters,
But and I'm like, okay, but nobody left. Yeah, let
me hit some rewind button again. I heard it. Just
make sure I did hear that. You got Ron Rivera,
who's just happy as hell. He's got another job and
he's gonna get to help shape whoever is in control
picking the groceries. So I guess he's excited he's got
his deal. And for anybody that knows Ron Rivera ja

(01:36:42):
Glazer being one of them, you know, just a guy
that goes to work people in Chicago swore by and
they always wanted him to be the Bear's headman all
those years. So they got the at least the right guy.
Just did he pick the right opening out of those
that are available. No, of course not, because the Redskins
are full of dysfunction. Yeah, that was that was a

(01:37:03):
hypothetical thanks How do you remember something we had you? Uh, look,
this Happy Thanksgiving is gonna stand for all the dysfunction
of the past fifteen years for the Redskins. It's gonna
go from the end of the Shanahan era into r
G three and that into Jay Gruden and and no

(01:37:24):
Kirk Cousins and where were sitting down Now this I'm
gonna start the press conference with Happy Thanksgiving is gonna
and we're gonna play this sound bite for It's gonna
be like a Tim Tebe or Phil Jackson sound but
on the show, you're gonna Happy Thanksgiving everybody once an
hour for the rest of the show, for the rest
of time. That's gonna be on Tyshirt's board. One of
those big sound bites. He it's one of those big
drops we're gonna get all the time. Whenever you can

(01:37:46):
get something that becomes a team defining moment. You have
the butt fumble wherever we will hear Chris Collinsworth taunting
you and back side of Brandon Moore and knocked the
ball out. So we'll always have that. Now for the Redskins,
I mean, Joe, thisman's gotta be happy, right, Joan could
have been in that announcement if it was happy Thanksgiving. Hey,

(01:38:08):
Joe Thibs is gonna be our new quarterback. We're very
excited here in Washington. But it gets past all of
those other other things that we've talked about for twenty
years since he took over the team. May he buys it.
They win the East that year under Jim Zorn. Then
you hire Shanahan and the didn't play quarterback as well
in ninety nine coach and played a couple of games

(01:38:30):
while he was there. But you think about five playoff
appearances since he bought the team, three division titles, two
thousan fifteen and that year they've only advanced past the
wild card round twice. We but all of that only
three head coaches. That's the crazy thing about it is

(01:38:51):
that you went from Shanahan to Gruden and now to Rivera.
You would have thought it would have been a you know,
a revolving door of coaches, just given Daniel Snyder's reputation.
But he's not a guy that is this quick with
the ax. No. The thing is Daniel Snyder is like,
how do I explain Daniel Snider. Daniel Snyder is around

(01:39:11):
and then he makes big headlines and then he disappears.
For a long time, you don't hear anything from him,
and then he comes back and suddenly it's, oh, I'm
I'm making big headlines again. And then he disappears. He's
not Jerry Jones, who was always there, who was you know,
every day reminding you that he's the GM. This is
his team. I'm making news. I'm saying X, Y and
Z no. Daniel Snyder. He's around, he disappears, and he
comes back in dispers because back. I mean, it's it's

(01:39:33):
really crazy. But maybe now he realizes, Okay, um, I'm
gonna talk and I'm gonna be the GM. I got
rid of Bruce Allen because it was Bruce Allen's job
to remind me what holidays it was, and so I
wrote down the wrong holiday on my index card. That's
really what got him. You know, maybe I'm getting maybe
he can get the Christmas cards out in time, or
they were actually Thanksgiving guards the whole other thing. I'm

(01:39:57):
gonna be that. But like I said, this stands for
all the dysfunction that the Redskins have had. Clearly looking
at what they did in hiring Ron Rivera before they
hired another GM, right now, that you it just doesn't
work for an NFL team When you are trying to
fix a team and you hire a coach before you
hire the GM, it doesn't work because the GM and

(01:40:19):
the coach need to work in tandem, and the GM
needs to hire the coach because the GM is above
the coach on the pecking order. But when you hire
a coach because you say you want the coach to
have input on the GM, that elevates the coach. So
who's really in charge? Who's gonna win the battle of Hey,
we're gonna go get this player and go get and
give money to this player in free agency? I mean,

(01:40:41):
who's gonna There needs to be a clear pecking order
and there needs to be a sense of working together.
But when you hire a head coach, the GM is
gonna come in and go. Ron Rivera is is higher
on the on the the toad board than I am.
So all right, I don't know how it's gonna work.
Look at the Jets have done that for the past
five years. Look how it's not worked for them. And
look at what the giant the Giants are keeping their

(01:41:02):
lane duck GM and how they're trying to make their
head coaching job look attractive when well, I'm gonna go
get hired by a GM who is out after one
more year from now. I mean, the teams that do
this want to hire their head coaches. The Browns want
to do it. The Browns say, we're gonna hire our
head coach before we hire our next GM. So now
you need more leadership in that organization. And now you're

(01:41:23):
telling the new GM there, hey, we're hiring a head
coach and he's gonna come in and then have input
on who you are. That that sort of hierarchy just
doesn't work well with the curiosity though, Right is as
we talked about with Jay Glazer, just the idea that
you're going after grown ups this time around. Right. The
joke last year was anybody who ever had a lunch

(01:41:43):
meeting with Sean McVeigh got an interview, some got jobs,
and with the Redskins, at least from the outside looking
in for the first part of the things, they went
and got a grown up, a guy that can coach,
a guy that you listen to all the Carolina players.
They basically were mad like the Falcons players were for
dan Quinn, except Rivera didn't get to coach through it right,

(01:42:07):
he was showing the door. So maybe that's the case,
is that you got a guy, whether you give him
more power in not title of GM, but in terms
of helping shape the roster, perhaps that's the right thing
as opposed to the top down approach where your coach
just has to deal with whatever you bring to bear.
I mean, look at the chaos that's happened in Dallas

(01:42:28):
right as I'm the GM, I'm the decider, I'm the chooser,
and then Jason Garrett's gotta roll through and certainly had
a good roster, and there's still a lot of points
and problems of what they did going away from the
run game is something I'm never gonna understand. That should
have gotten Kellen More fired, no matter how much you
like him, but or or his job responsibilities you changed

(01:42:50):
as you went on, particularly against good teams. But maybe
the idea of having the grown up in the room
with the head coach. Look at Jarvis Landry was throwing
barbs at Freddie Kitchen's out the door to write respect
for opponents, respect for the way things operate, and that
that approach and is most defining the hot young guy,
the hot young coach to chase down. Um, maybe maybe

(01:43:13):
everybody's learning a degree of patients, even if they don't
know what holiday it is. Twitter at how about a
Fresca Mike hat swollen Dome. The Jason Smith Show with
Mike Carmen coming up in ninety seconds, a big story
about the NFL and where the next great quarterback could
be coming from. But first, be sure to catch live
editions of The Jason Smith Show with Mike harmon weekdays
at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific. So you know,

(01:43:37):
it's time to talk some quarterbacks here for the next
twenty minutes or so. And the first guy we gotta
get to, obviously is going to go very high in
the draft. But boy, there is not a guy that
I am more afraid of drafting if I need a
quarterback than Justin Herbert of Oregon right now. He had
a big game yesterday in Theory because he ran for

(01:43:59):
three touchdowns. One was a nice run, two runs were
you know, within five yards. Justin Herbert showed during that
game against Wisconsin why people think so highly of him?
And then I watch and go, I can't believe people
think he's gonna be accurate at the next level. You know,
he turns the football. Over All of Oregon's points were

(01:44:20):
set up by their defense getting turnovers. He throws for
hundred and fifty yards in a bowl game. And he's
supposed to be a dynamic quarterback and he just has
too many hits and misses. He's so inconsistent. You know,
you watch him play, and yesterday he looked like at
times he can be the next Josh Allen because something
he can do is run with the football, as you saw,
but he didn't do it a lot during the season.

(01:44:41):
But but separately, I look and go, my god, is
he inaccurate? What is he doing to where is he
throwing the football some of these times? And and you know, so,
if if I meet a quarterback, the guy I'm most
nervous about is justin Herbert. I mean there's two of
there's Burrow, there's a but Herbert's the guy. I go, man,
is he gonna be good? That? That's a real dicey p.
You know, you always want to look for reasons to

(01:45:02):
say yes to taking a quarterback when you're drafting up high.
He's a guy look at and go, Can I really say, no,
is there a guy I can take instead of him?
That that I'll get a better player, a better you know,
defensive back or a better edge rusher that I can
count on for twelve or fifteen sacks. It's gonna come
in and be great and and be the next great
player rather than taking a quarterback who may or may
not be good. I mean, he just the guy just

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makes me nervous if I'm drafting him, Well, you're not
gonna have those tight you can you're not gonna be
able to make it into the tight windows. If you're
you're missing. You still sent for the game right, fourteen
and twenty gets it done. But on the whole, yeah,
he's a guy. But if it's Josh Allen is going
to be the comparative. Josh Allen got them to a
playoff run, and now we'll see what what he is

(01:45:44):
in year three. So justin Herbert, look, by default, quarterbacks
always at a premium and you're gonna roll it up
and you've got to be willing to fit your system
to include him. We we celebrate the coaches that do
and what we do. We excoriated those that did not.
Over the course of the season, we'll decide who's on
the chopping block next. Love it. We already have a
controversy and he hasn't even picked. I know it's it's

(01:46:08):
last year. He had a lot of momentum behind him
and a lot and and that's when he should have
come out, because he would have gone in the top two,
top three. But he'd stayed another year and his stock
and his status kind of stayed where it was and
maybe dropped a little bit and you got to see
more warts. And that's the danger of staying as a
quarterback is it's not the teams are gonna look at

(01:46:28):
you and say, boy, look at all these other things
he does. Well, it's gonna be h. Now we got
to look at this guy a little bit more. And
I really don't like the way he reacts to pressure
in the pocket. I really don't like how he throws
on the run. Yeah, I'm downgrading him. And you know,
when when you stay, you give people a chance to
look at you and say, why should we pick you?
Because the longer you stay, just like in the NBA,
the longer you stay well, you might not be that.

(01:46:48):
You must not be that great, because you would come
out and you'd be going number one overall in the draft.
He makes me really really nervous. Twitter At how about
a fresca? Mike gets swollen down The Jason Smith Show
with Mike Carmon, but speak king of Quarterbacks, a guy
whose stock might be low right now, but coming off
the yesterday, it'll be way high. We get to the
NFL Draft. That's straight ahead right here. Fox Sports Radio.

(01:47:10):
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern seven
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio Whip Fox Sports Radio. It's almost the first slide
over baby out of the new year. Yeah, buddy, that
time if you can only see it, Jason, Mike's getting down,

(01:47:30):
But there's nobody in the studio here. So I got
a dance going on. Do you have your pants on
or off? Right now? You don't know? Stand up and
show Frostberg if you have your pants on or not?
Not to know? Hey go it was Limp and Dane. Hey,
Harmon's got even purple underwear. I didn't know that you're
implying he wears underwear. Yeah, it's a waste of time,

(01:47:54):
waste of fabric. Really, you're not one of those, because
I'm picturing you like enjoying yourself and going. You know,
I'm gonna get those like long purple leggings that guys
wear now to go jogging. I'm gonna wear those around
the house, just gonna just feel all silky and oh
that's not creepy at all that you picture that first first.
I think it's pronounced yogging. Something new. It's called yogging.

(01:48:16):
I don't know, you know, um, I can't can't say
that I've gone down that road. At one point it
was all right, you're supposed to get this for outer wear.
I'm like, you know what, No, I'm good. I don't
need the I don't need to like look like I'm
going and ready to battle Lance Armstrong on the the
Alps or anything. I'm good. Twitter at how about a fresca?

(01:48:37):
Mike gets swollen to him The Jason Smith Show with
Mike Carmen, And while we talked about Justin Herbert a
few minutes, when we get back into the Dallas Cowboys
coming up in ten minutes to a tong of iola.
Coming off of yesterday, we watched Alabama just throttle Michigan
in the second half. Mac Jones having a huge day
just says, hey, Jerry, Judy go long, going to throw
it to you. Um. But the status of to Uh

(01:49:01):
is now going to be made known on January six two.
Was gonna make his announcement that day. So three days
from now or depending where you live in the country,
and he will announce whether he is going to the
NFL or staying at Alabama. He's gotta go, right we
we we said this many times, and we said a
few minutes ago with Justin Herbert, when the NFL wants you,

(01:49:21):
you go. The NFL wanted Justin Herbert last year. He
stayed this year. That's gonna cost him little bit in
draft status. The NFL wants to and now, and so
when they want you, you have to go. Yes, his
stock looks very low right now, and you see him
limping around the sideline, and you watched Alabama win a
big game without him. But as the January Bowl games
fade and two it gets healthier. We get to remember,

(01:49:44):
the NFL Draft is three and a half months from now.
There's so much time between now and then, he's gonna
get healthy. He's gonna be able to move around. He's
going to be the beneficiary of scouts locking themselves away
looking at film of two ago, and this is the
guy we want on it. This guy is responsible for
the thirty touchdowns a year with this Alabama offense. A

(01:50:04):
guy that can play in the clutch. Yes, he gets hurt,
but he's got hurt a couple of times. He's come back,
he's played. As long as he is healthy, we will
feel great and he will move back up. He'll move
back up into the top five, and somebody will take
him if he doesn't go. And this is what I
mean when I say, when the NFL wants you to go,
you risk waiting a year and next year when Trevor

(01:50:25):
Lawrence is gonna wind up being the number one overall
pick in the draft. You also don't know what other
quarterbacks are going to catch scouts eyes. Oh hey, we
really like this guy. We were like this guy, and
they wind up going ahead. You could also have a
bad senior season, you could get hurt again. You leave
too much at risk if you don't go to the NFL.
Now where you are clearly the number two quarterback in

(01:50:46):
the draft, Joe Burrow. What he's done, he'll wind up
going number one of the Bengals. But it is the
Bengals who knows, and they wind up taking a defensive tackle.
But you know that Burrow is gonna go number one,
and then your next quarterback that everybody's gonna have a
consensus on will end up being to a ton of viola.
It may not be now, but January second is a
lot different from April. What's just going back to college

(01:51:06):
to me is a is a nonstarter. I know everybody
likes the romanticism of it and trying to say he
needs to re establish himself to help with that, He's
got a body of work. He dominated college football for
a couple of years. You saw what a dynamic playmaker
he is. All it comes down is did the medicals
check out and does his rehab go well? And you
know what, as you said, you got several months to

(01:51:28):
figure out where he's at there and even if not,
even if he isn't one of those top picks, he's
not getting out of the first round. There's no chance
of that, right unless there's just absolute disaster. Even then,
teams would say, you know what, project back into the
first round. We hold him for a year, we've got
his rights, we go on a rookie contract and we
get him right with our medical staff and we train.

(01:51:48):
Maybe we have the quarterback in the last leg of
his run that we can look to the future and
Taylor and offense around him. The money stuff that people argue,
forget about it. The sooner you at the clock on
that rookie deal, actually making money and working towards the
second deal, that's invaluable and just an NFL experience. You
got what you needed on a Nick saving time to

(01:52:10):
move on Twitter at how about a Fresca Mike at
Swollen Dome. But the thing is, though, if he goes
if he goes in like say he goes ten, twelve, fourteen,
the danger is, well, it's easy to turn the page
on him because he's a he's a mid first round pick.
Whereas you go now and you're you're guaranteed to be
in the top five. Where some because you're a quarterback,

(01:52:30):
I mean you can ignore you know, look Mel hyper
and and and and all the guy. Look, I know
Mel Mel's a great dude, and I get it. He
rates players as far as what their value is and
what their talent level is. But in the end, quarterbacks
always go high. They're gonna they're gonna go in the
top five. No one's gonna wait and and two is
gonna be there at fifteen. He's gonna be a top
five pick. Probably want to be in the top three
pick when it's all said and done. But if he

(01:52:51):
ends up falling, he goes to a better team, right,
and you have the opportunity perhaps to come in and
play meaning for football. Thank you Lamar Jackson for showing
us the way twitter at how about a fresca? Mike
gets swollen them and again, no one wants to miss
on a quarterback. That's why he's gonna go early. Coming
up next, the biggest story in the NFL. Jason Garrett's
on his way out in Dallas or is he? That's

(01:53:13):
straight ahead? This is Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to
Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific the
Mobile Geico Studios. It's a different you know, it's a
different slide over baby feel with me in Detroit and
you in l A than it is with being in

(01:53:33):
Los Angeles. Well, ten o'clock is one thing. One o'clock
Eastern is a whole other field. Yeah, noo, hey you up.
I'm just finished white Castle to night. Hey you still
got what he got left? What you can I get it?
What can I get you? Guys? Still open? You still
have some horse meat sandwich? Is? Can I slide on

(01:53:55):
over and get a couple of those? You know what
I'd into those? You know what I have forgotten about
out is that living on the West Coast, when I
go home at night, it's you know, with with you know,
in l A, it's it's eleven o'clock at night. So
if I want to get something to eat, I can
stop almost anywhere because a fast food places open, industry
stores are open. Everything else, you know, things are still open.

(01:54:15):
But at two o'clock in the morning. It's especially in Detroit,
in the Greater Detroit area, there are many things that
are closing. So it's not a lot that's open. There
are many things that are open that you just have
to decide whether to live to find it up. How
are you? Hey? You got the right knock? And I
was told I could exchange an egg to come into

(01:54:36):
this party upstairs. Now you got I mean, it really
is the first slide over baby out it was. That
was a nine o two one oh thing. I guess sorry,
I got explain the millennials what Beverly is. Um no,
I'm not of context. It really took it into a
whole other weird thing when you were wearing a mask
and being all crazy. It wouldn't be the first time.
But but this is what I forget about. Is that?

(01:54:58):
And and I'm not gonna say there it happened because
I don't want anybody get in trouble. But is that
The other night I went into a donut store here
in the at like one o'clock in the morning, right
went in to get some Hey, let's get some donuts.
Were let's get some for tomorrow morning for breakfast when
we get up, all right, but it was getting onto

(01:55:19):
my face. It was the worst. So I go in
and you forget that at one o'clock in the morning.
You know, look, donuts shops are like, hey, you want
to come in and buy stuff, We'll figure out a deal.
So I come in and I go, hey, I want
to get a uh you know, I want to get
a half dozen donuts. Okay, um, sure, what do you want?
All right? Great? Score half dozen donuts? And then I
I say what I want a right? Great? The person

(01:55:40):
goes through and and and fills it up and gives
it to me, and I go home and I look
and I go, oh, they gave me a dozen, because
you know, these donuts is all the end of the day.
It's all stuff they're gonna have to throw out in
like five or six hours when they put out the
ones in the mornings, like here, take these for free.
And I forget what it's like when you go to
get food late at night. They're always looking for a
way to Hey, let's get rid of off. Let's help

(01:56:00):
somebody else out. Oh you came in to buy six,
Here you go. It's less we have to throw away.
And I'm like, I forgot about three dozen. What did
I give you? Three dozen't? Hey, what do you got left?
I got ten bucks? How far will it go? What
can I go? Whoa, whoa? Now you're walking the streets
in Detroit asking that question. No, no, no, no, I'm

(01:56:23):
going going into a probably is the going right? And
certain going into a donut? Exactly? Sure? No, it's a
rose by any other name. No, No, it's not a
euphemism for something else. It's an actual donut show, you know,
a donut shop. Just not. It does not mean something else,

(01:56:47):
something that I feel very strongly about, especially at a
donut shop. Tells excited to have us all we we
We don't play pitching coach sound bites on the show, Alex,
why not because we just heard they pitched coaches at
this donut show? He was, he was going in a
whole other direction. Fortunately he butchered the line, because yeah,

(01:57:11):
that was you could hear the breaks in the middle
of his sentence, right, it could have been I heard
they pitched coaches. A picture throwing coaches through through the
glass window. I'm gonna pitch you out of here. Yeah, No,
that was a that was slide over, baby hour. That
was a softball on it. Um kind of had to

(01:57:33):
slide out the back door. Mike, whoa whoa, hey a
t who's the who's the tight end for the Patriots
that may be coming back? Or maybe not? Oh, the
guy is supposed to run for vice president with me.
That's Gronkowski. He had a hell of a week, entered
the er the year, did some stuff. Yeah, Steve Harvey
was not the biggest rob Gronken. Do you think it

(01:57:55):
was a work? Are they gonna be at WrestleMania down
in Miami? Yes? Oh, they could wind up being like
the next announcing team for w W. Well or did
they just get in the squared circle as part of
the battle Royal Harvey's got beef? Steve Harvey is not
getting in the squared circle that anybody. Come on, you
could just hide off in the corner. I mean, if
you could, if you could hit people over the head
with a microphone, which would be a nice little stick

(01:58:17):
a microphone. Hey guys, we love Steve Harvey here. I
don't know what you're saying. If anybodybody's got an angle,
that's pretty good. Nobody nobody was saying anything. But we're
just trying to expand all our Fox and I Heart
Radio universes together. You want, you gotta find a way
to get and be w W. You can't just be
me too. I'm trying to find my way into the
w W E. I gotta be an idea man. First,

(01:58:38):
I'm gonna be the calf guy. Wait, you think just
having good calfs is gonna get you? What if? Sorry
and ever coming to the ring. Now, the purple calf guy,
it doesn't work. I think it could think there's a
percentage of the audience that would be very excited about it.
There's a difference between the undertaker and purple shorts man.

(01:59:01):
Undertakers a foot taller than me. So the gimmick works.
You know you coming in. It's like when they announced
duff Man coming in the Simpsons. You said that it's
wrong bad wants to party that roadhouse? Who wants a
ride on my cast? That? Are you just finding a
way to get tie shirts all the drops out of
the system. I really am not trying to do anything.

(01:59:23):
He's having enough fun on his own. He is. That's true. Man.
Since it is January second, I want to wish everybody
a happy Thanksgiving because it's just a very big day.
I hope you all enjoy the day for Thanksgiving. I
got you a turkey leg it's coming and tight you.
I got a tofud turkey leg, got you. I got
you some to furky. Oh that sounds good. First off,

(01:59:44):
happy Thanksgiving everybody. Uh So we'll get to Thanksgiving and
why today was not really Canadian Thanksgiving or Boxing Day.
It was knows Thanksgiving in certain parts of the country.
That's coming up in a busy minutes. The stuffing, the
fake meat loaf tofu meet loaf. That's what I got.

(02:00:05):
Jason Garrett is on his way out of Dallas unless
he isn't. Edward Or of ESPN one of the biggest
Cowboys insiders there are, And and look he's trending on
Twitter right now because of his report. Edward Or put
this out right around time our show began tonight in
regards to Jason Garrett and the Dallas Cowboys, quote Cowboys,

(02:00:27):
Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones have moved slowly and with
quote abundance of care and respect for Jason Garrett, which
sounds like it's something Jerry Jones wrote down for him.
That phase expected to conclude soon with Garrett not part
of organization. Next phase to involve candidate interviews will begin
quickly thereafter. So here's Edward Or reporting that they moved

(02:00:50):
slowly out of respect for Jason Garrett. Soon he will
part from the organization and the Cowboys will then go
about hiring their new head coach. Now, we've talked about
this a lot tonight in the show, and and and
a couple of angles we we've covered have been, Hey,
this is what you do to somebody that's that's been
with you for ten years. You want to find some
way to do it with care. And look, this is
not just any head coach. This is a guy that

(02:01:11):
the Cowboys groomed to be a head coach back when
he was playing for the Cowboys because he sat in
on on coaching staff meetings. They they thought that highly
of him. So it's very difficult. The last couple of days,
the reports out of Dallas has been that the Cowboys
were looking for a way to keep Jason with the organization,
whether that was as a scout, whether that's as an
assistant GM isn't in the player personnel department, whatever it was,

(02:01:34):
that was what they were banning about. But now, according
to Edward or, it looks like that's gonna conclude and
he's not going to be part of the Cowboys, likely
because he still wants to be a coach, and if
he's not a head coach, he'll land an offensive coordinator
job someplace in the National Football League because the guy
is very well respected and there's no geniuses out there
like Sean McVeigh or Kyle Shanahan offensive geniuses. You can say, hey,

(02:01:58):
here's our team, go do it, or Adam, we'll get
a job. Adam Gaze, I said, genius is not not
guys that can't run an offense. Well, he was, would
be genius. He's just you know, you just realize how
bad head coach Adam Gazes Part seven and fifty as
a head coach. The highest his team is ranked offensively

(02:02:19):
is twenty four. His teams have R one and thirty
second in the n You don't want you don't want
to start at top five. There's nowhere to go up
and got to keep Hey, he's progress. He is just
a terrible head coach. He's just a terrible head. Yeah,
he was a guy heading towards the NBA draft. He'd

(02:02:40):
still be drafted on potential. It's potential league. So but
it's not. This is not about Adam Gates. Hey, you
made it about Adams Edward's report on Jason Garrett. So
I I get all of this, but the main part
of it is that here are the Cowboys. You're getting
into the weekend now, and you're getting into games, and
the Redskins have already hired Ron Rivera. The Giants are

(02:03:04):
interviewing Mike McCarthy tomorrow. McCarthy also going to talk to
the Browns. He is now highly sought after, and the
Browns are now reportedly interested in Urban Meyer. And the
Cowboys are moving at their own pace, going, yeah, that's great.
We're figuring things out with Jason Garrett and we're getting ready.
This tells me that Jerry Jones has his next coach

(02:03:26):
in mind. He has one or two people that he
knows this is gonna be my next head coach of
the Dallas Cowboys. And it's not anybody that we're hearing
their names of. Now. He's got whoever it wants. He's
got them ready to come in and take over. And
we will hear like you normally here, when Notre Dame
changes head coaches, Notre Dame change, you don't get a
national search. And here's forty five guys named like it

(02:03:48):
is for most other teams. Notre Dame fires a head coach,
you hear one name a couple of days later, that's
the head coach. That's what's gonna be for the Cowboys,
and it's gonna be a big name because Jerry Jones
knows that his neck is on the line as far
as this roster goes right, He's going out of his
way to say I'm the GM. These are my players.
Is everybody he's drafted. It's a talented roster. The top

(02:04:09):
twenty two players. When you talk about talent, the top
eleven on offense, top eleven on defense is talented as
anybody in the NFL. But depth is a big deal.
That Cowboys don't have the depth that other teams do,
which is why they're doomed to play eight and eight,
nine and seven football. So but he knows that these
are his players. You can't always hire Dave Campo and

(02:04:29):
Chan Gailey and Jason Garrett. Once in a while, you
gotta go with a big name, which is why hey
Bill Parcels came in to kind of get things going
in the right direction with Tony Romo and other players,
and and that was a big name. He only lasted
a couple of seasons. But every once in a while
you have to do that. Jerry Jones can't just go
with the guy like I'd be stunned and I'd be
shocked beyond belief if they hired Matt Rule. If something

(02:04:50):
Matt Rules coming in because it's like, why are we
hiring Matt Rule and we have Jason Garrett, who knows
if he's if he's that guy for the Dallas Cowboys.
You need somebody that you know is gonna come in
with a t record that is gonna lift up this organization.
It's gonna be a big name and he knows who
it is. And I guarantee you there's two names at
the most on that list. What'll be curious to see, right,
you mentioned Matt Rule, whether they send a contingent down

(02:05:13):
to Mexico where Matt Moseley said he is now, so
perhaps you can go roll up there and see if
you can find him. Maybe he's going on the Zeke trail.
Jerry um uh uh Nita head coach. Uh, someone point
me the way, thank you, I'm looking for a guy. Uh.
Then he got Lincoln Riley, you got Erman Meyer. I mean,

(02:05:35):
there's your short list that everybody wants to fire into
the mix. Right. You had some talk over the course
of the year that just like Jason Garrett was groomed
all those years ago, that from the booth back to
the field into the coaching world, perhaps you have the
opportunity that Jason Witten wants to get his get his
feet wet. Some even on Twitter, some of our friends going,

(02:05:57):
what about Romo, get him out of the booth and
bring him back into the fold. I mean, because Jerry
likes family, right, he wants he wants someone in the family.
And it'd be curious because the talk is the grown
ups in the room when we look at Rivera going
to Washington and whatever Cleveland does, right, you need someone
to calm what is an otherwise chaotic locker room. Whether

(02:06:21):
Jerry's going down the same road, knows which guy he wants.
Maybe it's not on some completely off the beaten path
that he knows. It's a house guy that isn't being
looked at from others. So he can take his time
do fourth forty seven days of exit interviews and not
have to jump so quickly into the marketplace. Because this

(02:06:41):
is extraordinary patients right now, Jerry doesn't seem as desperate
as one might think, especially when you watch the video
of Philadelphia's win while he was in the owner's box
the other day. I let the guy go at this
point though, let him go. You're letting him go. Let
him go. Yeah, But Jesson Garret's at some point gotta
flip him off, going damn it, I'm back on it
for lunch. I had the ravioli yesterday, Jerry, I don't

(02:07:04):
need it again. I didn't tell you to reheat it
for me. I'm not coming back. It's not Jason Garrett too,
because he's got no contract after the fourteenth. They can
figure out what the last couple of bucks are on
the deal that he doesn't get if he doesn't perform
his final end of year duties. But this is as
much on Jason Garrett probably walking in each day with
a bunch of new plays that he's drawn up on napkins.

(02:07:25):
You know, when you were blathering on about Lonnie Anderson
and hot tubs from the seventies, Here's what I drew up.
Here's how he can best utilize Dak and Zeke next year.
You know, Zeke's not going to Mexico and disappearing on
us for a month and a half like he did
this past year. I mean, there's there's a lot of
salesmanship that's going on there. If if he keeps going
back for these meetings, he's not giving up on it either, Bernice, Listen,

(02:07:49):
if Jason comes by, give me a give me a nod,
and I'm gonna get him a Star Trek portal and
beam down to another planet. Uh, then tell him I'll
be back then. Then I'll come back when it's safe.
So I just get can be a second to get
back into the into the transporter being pre exactly. Just
be like every science fiction film and just go through
time travel. Now, great news. There's a quick and easy
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big week in college football as we're seeing big wins,
big losses. One storyline I cannot believe is as out
of control as it is. That's coming up next right here.

(02:08:32):
Jason Smith, Mike Carmen, Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to
Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific, Fox
Sports Radio. They cost me ah yeah, being in Detroit, Okay,

(02:08:52):
the mobile Geico Studios Tonight, I'm in Detroit, finishing the
end of vacation. Mike Harmon's in Los Angeles. You know,
things can little weird, and you never know because I'm
in a studio here in Detroit and there's other radio
stations around me doing different things. For a second, I thought,
oh my god, there's audio from another programming that let
over and then I hear oh bone, I go okay,

(02:09:14):
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Frostburg is keeping the hit. Continue to hit refresh for
Alex Carusa. Go to the NBA All Star Game. We're
all working. Think now it's our first show together. We're
all full of energy. Yeah, all we We've had a
couple of weeks to get all the one liners ready
and hold steerage for when we reconvened, and well, here
we go. You know the thing here, obviously, this is

(02:09:57):
a huge week in college football. You know, we're finn
shing all the big New Year's Day bowls and what
we've seen and getting set for the National Championship Game
coming up in six weeks and you know, everybody wants
to put more stock in bowl games than they really
should because bowl games, unless you're playing in the playoffs,
it really just depends on who feels like showing up

(02:10:19):
for the game. There's nothing at Steak and Steak and
teams like the bowl season because they get an extra
handful of practices, whether it's ten practices, twelve practice whenever
your bowl game is. Hey, Schools like that because you
get a jump on next year, you get get a
look at some different players. When it comes to the
bowl game itself, sometimes a team shows up if they

(02:10:41):
have a lot of steaks, sometimes they don't. Minnesota had
way more at Steak yesterday than Auburn did. Minnesota, Hey,
we had a great year. We want approved. Everybody with
great want to show you a great an extra chip
on their shoulder. For Auburn, it's well, we're not in
the playoffs, but we're here, so let's just play. Hey,
Minnesota wins. But that's really what it is. It's Minnesota
with a lot more at stake than Auburn. This is

(02:11:02):
the results you get. And everybody is going so crazy,
especially here in Michigan, over the over the Michigan getting
thumped by Alabama in the second half yesterday, and I
don't get it. I feel like Michigan fans are so unreasonable.
And here in Detroit it's like every you go, you
turn on the radio, hardball has gotta go? How much
longer it is hardball have? How long is hardball gonna go? Oh? My,

(02:11:25):
my wife's family is all telling me, how long do
you think hardball has? And I'm going, well, you know,
when I talked to Jim yesterday, he tell me, look,
and when I tell him, everybody is completely unrealistic when
it comes to Jim hardball. First of all, you lost
to Alabama. Okay, you didn't lose to a six win
MAC team in your bowl game. Oh boy, that was
really impact. You lost a freaking Alabama. They're loaded with

(02:11:46):
tons of NFL players. Yes, they don't have to they're
not in the playoff, but it's still Alabama. It's a
two law season. Alabama is really, really, really good. It
went about how I thought the game would go yesterday.
Michigan would stay in it for a while, but Alabama's
talent would will out. Really was not being able to
cover Jerry Judy, but still that was part of Alabama's talent.

(02:12:08):
I don't know when, but at some point it happened
for Jim Harbaugh should have Michigan in a national championship
game every other year. When Michigan has won one national
championship in the last sixty years, sixty years, they've won
once and it was a shared national championship. Believe me,
I get it. I get that. You're piste off. You're

(02:12:28):
losing Ohio State every year because fifteen out of sixteen
ain't a blipping recruiting. This is Ohio State is just
a better program. But you know what, for thirty years,
Ohio State has been the better program. Michigan's living off
the nineties where they won the national title and every
year they would be seven and four, they would wreck
Ohio State season. Who in Ohio State was eleven and

(02:12:49):
oh or tenan oh or ten and one and set
to go play for the national championship. Michigan would pull
a big upset and it was all, yeah, we're always
gonna have Ohio States number No. Ohio States been the
better program for thirty years. Thirty years. They're even a
better program. Now. The reality for Michigan is you're winning
ten games a year. Yes, you're nine and four. This
year you did lose to Alabama, lost one more game

(02:13:11):
than you should. But now you're starting to beat Michigan State.
You're starting to beat your rivals a little bit more.
You could have beaten Penn State if you had taken
care of the football a little bit more. You're winning
nine in ten games. That's what you were doing under
Lloyd card That's they were doing. You want to go
back to Brady Hoke and and Rich Rodriguez when you're
winning seven games in six games. I mean, this is
the normal for Michigan. And you have to understand that

(02:13:32):
Jim Harbor was doing a really good job winning nine
and ten games a year. I don't know when suddenly
Michigan should have been in the National Championship and and
and in the playoff every other year. That's just not
who they've been ever. It's the problem with having the
big sticker on you, whether you're Harbaugh and the brand
that is Jim Harbaugh or the Michigan program, that everybody

(02:13:53):
romanticizes something that that wasn't And even go back to
the Beckler era in the seventies and eighties, you're winning,
you know, ten games a number of times. You know what,
they went out and lost their Bowl game repeatedly. Right,
So even finishing with the romanticism there doesn't work. I
know hardball has lost back to back games to finish

(02:14:14):
seasons four straight years. Okay, psychologically that's a bit damning,
but on the whole, we know what those games are.
And you know, Bowl games, depending on your narrative that
you want to push, have a different meaning, right if
you just take them in the context of all right,
it's another game at the end of the years, as
you laid out practices preparation for the following year at evaluation,

(02:14:36):
knowing that you're not playing for a title, Big ten,
any kind of championship, was already wrapped up or lost
right as you go through there. So you know, the
the overall meaning of it is in the eye of
the beholder, and whoever wants to write the narrative, they've
got the poison pen out for Hardball or in certain
former Michigan coach here, it was gonna be there for

(02:14:56):
Harball his own success at different stops, Stanford with the
forty niners, that's gonna follow him here. So people are
gonna say, look, four straight Bowl losses in Ohio State
and everything else. You've got a couple of blips on
the radar where they were dominant and the best team
in football. Otherwise, good nine ten win teams. That's exactly
what he's doing year after year. Big ten is not

(02:15:19):
a picnic to go through. You just mentioned Minnesota. Minnesota
didn't win games for years, and all of a sudden
he rowed the boat p J. Fleck, And yeah, that
bowl game meant everything and then some for a program
that was always a laughing stock right going all the
way back. So yeah, it's a bit of delusion. It's
a nice piece of easy fodder for sports talk radio

(02:15:41):
and sports television. But the reality check is the college
football landscape has changed far from when it was four
or five dinosaurs ruling the earth. I mean, there's lots
of other places that recruit just as well, are better
than they did all those years ago. Yeah, but even
though in Michigan usually faces one of the new teams,
but now Wisconsin is good almost every year, so they're tough.

(02:16:03):
Now Penn State is good almost every year. But I'll
do this, and this should settle the Jim Harball situation.
Michigan wins the national championship in here's their final ranking
every year since then. Okay, twelve, starting with twelve, five, eleven,

(02:16:24):
twenty nine, six fourteen, unranked eight eighteen, unranked, unranked, unranked, twelve,
twenty four unranked, unranked. That's where you are until you
get to Jim Harbaugh, who's twelve ten, unranked fourteen, and
we're waiting to see what the final records are now

(02:16:45):
after this, after this bull season, and then six ranked,
you go back. Brady Hoke was unranked in two of
his four years. Rich Rodriguez was never ranked. He won
seven games his final year and finally went to a
bowl game. I don't know when I get that. Jim
Harbaugh comes with a set of expectations. But ten wins,

(02:17:06):
ten wins, eight wins, ten wins, nine wins, that's who
you are. That's Michigan has always been before that. Lloyd
Carr nine wins, eleven wins, seven nine, ten, ten, eight, nine, ten, ten,
that's Lloyd Carr. I I I don't get the Jim
Harball hate that suddenly he's a bad head coach and
suddenly he doesn't know. The one thing I will say

(02:17:26):
is that I expected at this point hardball to have
at least one franchise type quarterback that he would have
drafted by now that he would have he would have, yes,
because that's the one. Yeah, because his best quarterback is
Shaye Patterson, who has been decent, but he's limited. Look,
it takes him a full wind up to throw the
ball forty yards and that's the big limitator room is

(02:17:48):
that he can't really throw deep. So but he's been okay,
he's been the best, and he's a transfer from all
Miss I mean, nobody has got five years now. This
is a bunch of guys that he should have been
able to go get somebody to come and be quarterback.
If he's somebody that hey, this guy is actually pretty
good again, help us win games. That's the stunning part
to me. But still despite that, ten, ten, eight, ten nine,
he figures out the quarterback and then maybe those ten

(02:18:10):
win seasons are eleven and twelve win seasons. But right now,
I mean ten, ten, eight, ten nine, who are gonna
go get that's gonna get you those extra wins? Were
you gonna go Urban Meyer, you imagine? Can you amount?
That would be the best, That would be the best
Michigan fans will go, No, we don't want Urban Meyer love.
Let's let's go get him twitter out. How about a fresca?

(02:18:32):
Mike gets swollen down The Jason Smith Show with Mike
Carmen coming up in ninety seconds. White, Today was really
Thanksgiving Day. Bet you didn't know that. But first, be
with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven pm
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Hey,
also make sure when you tweet it Mike Carmen you

(02:18:54):
wish him Happy Thanksgiving because you didn't know it. But
today was really Thanksgiving, not New Year's not the day
after New Year's not it is actually still Thanksgiving in Washington.
Oh boy, can I tell you how the game I'm
gonna finish for the Redskins season? Um. Today Daniel Snyder,
owner of the Redskins, introduced Ron Rivera, their new head coach,

(02:19:15):
just the third head coach he has hired since he's
on the team. He did not speak when he introduced
Mike Shanahan or Jay Gruden, but he wanted to speak
today and probably shouldn't have because this is the beginning
of Daniel Snyder introducing Ron Rivera, who's a great head coach,
two time NFL Coach of the Year. They want a
culture change in Washington. Ron Rivera is the guy. Ron
Rivera is a very good higher He's solid, he's He's

(02:19:38):
exactly that kind of coach when you can say, Okay,
the backsliding is stopping, and now we're gonna build and
move forward, sort of like when the Raiders hired Jack
del Rio a few years ago and it stopped their
backsliding and then they push things forward. So this is
Daniel Snyder opening up his press conference today today January two. Um.

(02:20:01):
First off, Happy Thanksgiving everybody, Happy Thanksgiving? Everybody Happy Thanksgiving,
Happy Thanksgiving, not happy New Year, Happy Thanksgiving not not
not happy Valentine's Day. No no, no, no no. He
wasn't advancing the calendar yet, even though if he'd gone
to a grocery store or the local Rite Aid, he

(02:20:21):
would have seen all the Valentine's candy outer and happy
happy Thanksgiving. For more of his speech, go to s
Well and Num. Well there is that too, frost Wig,
There's no question about it. He look, maybe Bruce Allen's
the guy who was in charge of keeping updated on
what holiday it was. I don't know. Maybe he will
also read whatever someone writes on the index card in

(02:20:42):
front of him. Hey, make sure where's your buddy? Happy Thanksgiving? Yes?
Thank you? Right? Got that? Got that? Thanks? Hey, happy
thanks I mean this is this SoundBite. This drop is
gonna be a drop radio term is gonna be heard
on the show all the time now. I mean, like
we hear Tim Tebow, Phil Jackson to richardson the butt fumble, Batman,

(02:21:03):
all that you're gonna hear? I said, Batman? Uh done,
on on on on on on on on on on
on on on Happy Thanksgiving, Batman. Really you're gonna hear.
But the origin story, that's that's what someone reporters gotta

(02:21:23):
figure out there of Thanksgiving, the origin story, no jackass,
the idea, uh, the story of what you can. I
will tell that in long, long detail as we go through. Uh.
But yes, it's a it's a fun time. But as
to why why that was on his brain, like why

(02:21:46):
that was the the misfire? Maybe just had a turkey sandwich.
How's a good turkey? Perhaps that's how they celebrated the
new year. I don't know, you meant it's Funny you
mentioned Jack del Rio because he was brought into the
building too, the Ron Rivera. Yeah, so they go in
tandem to culture. Those are solid guys, you know, defensive

(02:22:07):
minded coaches that are gonna set culture and look I
like it. It's it's great. It's just your Ron Rivera
has gotta think. Oh man, dude, just wish everybody happy Thanksgiving.
And you know you just wanted to wait for him
to slide out the back door, right, may just be like, um,
what did I just get myself into the inks? Not dry?
Is it happy Thanksgiving? Uh? You know what I'm leaving.

(02:22:28):
I'm gonna take another job. I'm gonna wait. Hey for
more of this story and more in the origins of Thanksgiving,
go to Swollen Dome on Twitter. You will make sure
to help you out of that. I will. I will
certainly do that. I'll mock the Mets while I'm at it.
Had a little bit of fun. Uh. Coming up next
the NBA story you didn't know you needed on this

(02:22:50):
day after New Year's Day. Happy New Year. Thanksgiving just
gonna involve Chris Paul. Whatever you're celebrating, No, it does
not involve Chris Paul. But It's the NBA story you
didn't know you needed coming up next right here, Fox
Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern,
seven pm Pacific Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show

(02:23:14):
with my best friend Mike Carmen. Why don't we spice
it up tonight? And I kind of lied to you
a few minutes ago. Oh you lied. I have not one,
but two NBA stories you didn't know you needed today.
Fantastic Happy Thanksgiving by the way. Uh. The first story
comes to this courtesy of your favorite player, Mike Harmon.

(02:23:37):
Lou Williams. My guy had a baby on December one,
which is always good for tax reasons. Have that kid
that year, you get the tax. But he missed the
Clippers game on Tuesday to attend his son's birth. Lou
williams son is named six six s y X s

(02:24:00):
y X, not six like NICKI six not x s
i x X six s y X, the six man
for the Clippers and six Man of the Year award
winner a couple of times in his NBA career, has
named his son six. When he was asked why, he
told Fox Sports with Jamie Maggio tonight. I always said
if I had a son, I was gonna give him

(02:24:21):
a unique name. Nothing was coming to me, so I
just said, you know what, I'm gonna name him six,
spell it a little different and just have some fun
with couldn't name him Caruso. There, he'll get to that.
We'll get to that. But yeah, I mean this is
straight out of the Seinfeld playbook, right, seven, six and seven?
Or he wanted to name his kids seven and then
it was stolen by friends and he was angry. Uh.

(02:24:43):
He also could be a big investor in Systemax on
the New York Stock Exchange with the symbol s y X.
They are a New York based company industrial m r
O products through e commerce. Here you go, all right, well,
I'd like to say, you know, if I have a son.
In a related story, he's gonna be named Mets Pasta

(02:25:06):
Syracuse chocolate smith. There was white Castle Burger taking. I
can't just go white Castle for s meat sandwich smith.
Come on, that's that. I am going for Whitecastle after
the show is all? We had? No going for Whitecastle
happened and you're gonna get beat up. No, I'm gonna
go through the drive through. It's it's absolutely still. Don't
think they can reach out and knock you out through

(02:25:28):
the town. Wait wait, wait wait, I don't think there's
been a rash of of drive through employees attacking people
going through the drive You might be the first after
what you said about Michigan to night watch your back.
You're saying we're not in that upper division. You're that
radio guy. Yes, I'm Mike Harmon. I'm at swollen, dumb
at swollen. Hme. He'll tell you all about the White

(02:25:50):
Sox and the pursuit of greatness. Thanks to all our
our friends, our listeners, uh, friends of the show, welcome back,
we miss you, uh and happy New Year. Were for
a long haul. Thanks for the congratulations. A couple of
you have reached out already. I appreciate you with your
White Sox memes. Uh. So now the other NBA story
you didn't know you needed. Alex Caruso and Taco Fall

(02:26:14):
are in the top ten at their respective positions in
voting for the NBA All Star Game. I don't know
about Taco Fall, but why is Alex Caruso there? Because
justin Frostburg has done nothing all night, but continue to
hit refresh on his computer. Alex Caruso doesn't say how
many times I can vote click click click click, click

(02:26:34):
click click. I mean, this is just my I love
this story. I love this story for for a couple
of reasons. Number one is that because look, this is
kind of fun. We've seen this before. Major League Baseball
has done it, the NHL's done it where actually they
had a guy voted in who was just an average
defenseman who got voted in a few years ago. But

(02:26:56):
I love this story for the main reason that the
elite players in the NBA, We're all gonna go crazy
about this. They're gonna sit here and Lebron and and
and Kevin Durant and guys are gonna tweet out. All
guys have have bonuses tied to this, and who would
do this? Who would who would take this voting and
make a mockery of it. They will lose their minds

(02:27:18):
because there is no league where players care more about
awards and status and All Star Games than in the NBA.
Doesn't mean they don't care about it in the NFL
and Major League Baseball, but the NBA is a league
that has pushed the individual Superstar for a long time.
So now they're gonna be very upset that, oh we
gotta worry about Caruso and Taco Fall making the All

(02:27:39):
Star team ahead of us and and this is bad
because it's about image and reputation, relevancy, and the worst
thing they want is to walk around enough people on
social media or people they see, people in their entourage,
whatever it is, say dude, come on, man, you couldn't
get more people to vote for you than Alex Caruso.
Come on, man, that's embarrassing for you. Trust me. That's

(02:27:59):
why I want to see this because they will absolutely
go crazy if Caruso winds up getting there ahead. Look
he's about to pass Donovan Mitchell and D'Angelo Russell. I mean,
this is insane. This is fantastic. If he winds up
passing Russell Westbrook, how great would that be? Russell Westbrook
will lose his mind. I'm a couple of clicks away
from that. He might have that done. And before we
get off air here on Fox Bred Radio, let me

(02:28:21):
tell youicklick click times. Yeah, that's well, and do him
you can. You can get your help there. But it's
it's fun because you also have the financial incentage to
all this too, right when you start talking about bonuses
and roster bonuses. But the same guys that will complain
about this are the ones that beg out of every

(02:28:42):
All Star appearance to go to a corporate hand handshake
and meet and greet instead of being on the court
as well. So it works both ways. So a percentage
is what you're saying, Yeah, you would, I think you would, Frostburg.
It's like in soccer when the when the stars all
walk on the field with it with a young kid
like Alex Crucer gets to walk out on the floor

(02:29:02):
with his arm around from my head like it's Chris Paul.
That's another whole other story going on there, but yeah,
it's it's you're talking a hundred thousand, five hundred thousand
dollars that some of these guys will lose out to Caruso,
white Castle, par all twitter On. How about a Fresco
Mike and swollen Dome, Happy New Year, Happy Thanksgiving, Ben

(02:29:24):
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