October 29, 2025 • 67 mins
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Welcome back for a spooky episode that digs into the absolute dread of our childhood Halloweens!We kick off with teachings warning that a "prowling lion" (Satan) is out to devour us, and that our children must not "identify with the pagan holiday" of trick-or-treating.
We then reveal the extreme fear culture we were raised in, where everything from an antique ring to a shadow in the yard was proof of demons.The irony is strong as we contrast that paranoia with our current, joyous obsession with spooky season (complete with elaborate costumes and yard decorations!). Hear the deeply personal stories of being taught to "rebuke the demons" in dark rooms as kids.
Join us for a bizarre, healing, and honest look at how one group taught that, for them, Everything is Demons!
Welcome back for a spooky episode that digs into the absolute dread of our childhood Halloweens!We kick off with teachings warning that a "prowling lion" (Satan) is out to devour us, and that our children must not "identify with the pagan holiday" of trick-or-treating.
We then reveal the extreme fear culture we were raised in, where everything from an antique ring to a shadow in the yard was proof of demons.The irony is strong as we contrast that paranoia with our current, joyous obsession with spooky season (complete with elaborate costumes and yard decorations!). Hear the deeply personal stories of being taught to "rebuke the demons" in dark rooms as kids.
Join us for a bizarre, healing, and honest look at how one group taught that, for them, Everything is Demons!
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Why aren't we sober so that we can be alert?
Why do we need to be alert because there's a
prowing lion looking to see if he can devour us,
and we are helpless before him.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
There are some things about smurfs that we need to
look at. First of all, you and notice that they're
depicted as blue with black lips.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
But that interesting, and you know what happens to you
when you die?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
You turn blue and your lips turned black. Warning signs
of Satanic behavior may be apparent, such as a sudden,
bitterly antagonistic attitude towards family and religion.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
The evidence is in Satan worship and Satanic cults are
growing rapidly.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
But our kids should not be going out trick or treating.
They shouldn't dress up like ghosts and goblins and demons
and all of Satan's creatures. They should not identify with
the pagan holiday. They should be obedient to stay off
the streets and not get involved with the demonic powers
that are involved with Halloween.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to a spooky episode of
the Cult Next Store podcast. This is going to be
a little different. But before we jump into our episode,
which I have pre titled everything as demons and you'll
understand why later. Yeah, before we jump into that, I'll
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actually need to throw in the mail. So, like I said,
today's episode is about Halloween and Halloween related things and demons.
So before we jump into like what we grew up with,
(03:34):
I'll just ask, because I'm not sure, Ashley, how do
you feel about Halloween. I can't tell from your backdrop.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I was gonna say, like, based on my backdrop, you
can tell I clearly hate it.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, evil, so evil.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
No, I you know, I'm like two feet in on Halloween.
I am so making up for lost time. Yeah, I
love it. It is my favorite. I wish Halloween Spooky
season lasted more than thirty one days. Yeah, yeah, so fast.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, it's the time of year when it's getting cool
and crisp. Spooky stuff is cool. I love dressing up also,
like costume stuff, like it's so fun. Like yeah, yeah,
I feel like it brings out like the childlike part,
which you know, I want to hold on to, just
like with my nails. This is from a party that
(04:33):
Liz and I went to last night where I dressed
up as Beetlejuice. So maybe I'll share that photo on
in this episode right now. Maybe I'll put it up
right here and then I'll put it on the you know,
the Instagram and stuff like that. But we went to
a concert slash party thing and I did my nails
and I had my whole face downp it was like,
it's tons of fun and it is a portals to demons.
(04:57):
But it's fun.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, I mean, but that's the trade off. So you
are doing You're doing a ghost Halloween like Ghosts the
Band on Friday Night. Okay, yeah, that's so.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I wanted to be able to get both in because
Beetlejuice was my go to for a couple or three
Halloweens however long. And then now I got some new stuff.
I actually have a couple of different costumes, and I
think next year what I really want to do. It'll
be a little bit more expensive, but I want to
dress up as the Witch King from Lord of the Rings,
(05:29):
because you have like the black shroud and the big
giant like metal thing that goes up and I feel like,
with my height already and you add that, I'm going
to be like ten foot tall and that will scare
all the kids that come up to get Halloween.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I'm gonna say, if your goal is to scare the
absolute shit out of all the three and four year
olds that you have to our house for Halloween, like
you've nailed it well.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And also I thought for some sections of it, I
could just stand out there and front, like by where
you have the spider out there in the yard, just
be very still and people will think it's like a
statue because again I'm going to be like ten foot
tall and then I can My god, that would be fun,
you know.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Yeah, well, I don't know if listeners even know how
we do Halloween, so we should probably post pictures of
that just to share, because that's fun.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Go ahead, I was saying. I was just looking at
some of the photos from last year with all the
green uplighting and the giant spider and the fog and
all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
It's fun, yes, projector I have, I have, Oh what
is the spider from Harry Potter? I'm blanking out.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I can't. I just watched those. I can't remember his name.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
No, someone's gonna call him mad because we can't remember. See.
I keep thinking shell up from a Lord of the
Rings and it's not that. No, let me find it.
It was Yeah, that was it. Aragg. Yes, Aragg is
(07:08):
a spider and I bought one, a big, kind of
a big one a couple of years ago, and I've
put him in different spots, but he is on one
of the big trees in the front yard, which is
by the sidewalk where everyone will be walking to trick
(07:29):
or treat. So he's just like wrapped around the trunk
of the tree. And then I have the three little
witches out in the yard and they're holding hands and
they are around like two pumpkins that are on fire
(07:50):
where they look like it on fire, like flames. And
I love those little witches.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And I know Toby. I know Toby has taken some
video of that in the yard, some movie I can.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Get, yes, show it, yeah, yeah, And we need to
do the projector.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Or two yes, so yeah, And when we put a
projector inside the window and like a sheet over the
inside of a big window in the front, and then
I'll project like images of like ghosts and other stuff
in there, so as people walk by, it's just like
a black window and then you see like a ghost
or something come flying up. It's really cool.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
So we try to do it.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It's fun.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
We do and I don't. And we have the green
uplighting going already over on the whole house, and I
don't know what time you're going to get there, but
the tiny kids start coming around like four or four thirty.
It is always before I'm fully ready and my costume,
so somebody has to run out there and start giving
(08:47):
candy but maybe all the little kids will be gone
before you get there because you are going to be
so scary.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, a little bit, although with this costume it does
have a purple seequin jackets. I feel like it takes
the dog just a little bit. It's scary up here
and there. It's like, oh, yeah, I've got the mask.
You can kind of see it back here, but yeah,
it's If anybody's familiar with the band Ghost, he's got
(09:16):
a really cool creepy look. And I love that band,
so yeah I can. But you know, all this, all
this Halloween stuff at your house we're talking about, and
the projector in the window does remind me of how
we also used to use a projector and a sheet.
But we put it on the side of our box
truck and parked that that box truck on a parkway drive.
(09:40):
And in Russellville, Parkway Drive is one of the bigger,
you know, three or four roads in town, so like
a lot of traffics, like a four lane you know,
at that section, and we would project which I actually
have maybe I'll share some of that. It was just
like a looping video about how Halloween is Satan's favorite
holiday and all this like creepy the images. I remember
(10:01):
at one point like there was some image that had
been edited and it was like Jennifer Love Hewitt and
she was a vampire with like blood dripping down. I
don't know if Dad found a photo of her and
added the blood like she was a vampire what. Yeah,
I think he managed a thumbnail anyway, like super scary. So,
(10:23):
you know, suffice to say, a very different view now
than we grew up with.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Oh my gosh, not even close.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
So yes, I'm not going to go through the whole thing,
but I did want to hit like a few key
points of kind of like generally what we were taught
and like what we believed growing up. So my dad
actually did a video. This is I don't know, two
(10:54):
thousand and eight or nine something like that. We've done
tons of stuff about Halloween and anti Halloween, but this
was a good one, just like a little snapshot. So
in the video, again, I'm not this is not a
history lesson about Halloween or a rebuttal of his version
of where Halloween came from, but again just for context
of how we were raised, you know, the first off,
(11:16):
obviously they hated Halloween. It was evil, it was demonic
all this stuff. But he actually taught and thought that
Halloween came from a festival that was created by King Jeroboam,
which again this is not like a history thing, but
there's no evidence that that's true, first off, and I'm
sure that there are other people who teach this. I
(11:40):
don't think he made it out of pure cloth, but
that's not like a common thing that I've heard. But
that definitely is what he thought, and that the custom
of trick or treating came from druid priest that had
descended from Jeroboam's priest, because in that biblical story, Jeroboam,
you know, brings these people who are like the worst
of the people and makes them priest, and so that
(12:02):
down the line those people became druid priest and that's
how Halloween continued. And then you know, the the thought
was that Halloween was a perversion of biblical festivals, in
particular the Last Great Day, which the last Great Day
in the Feast of Tabernacles is like the White the
(12:23):
Great White Throne judgment. Everyone's raised, so that the thinking
was like, that's a day when the dead rise, and
Halloween is like, ah, the dead are rising. So that
I think that was the thinking there, that that's why,
that's a perversion of this thing which is real, and
they've made it into this evil type of thing. So
he had lots of stuff like that in this video
(12:44):
and just in our raising, where it was always pointing
back to some even further ancient, you know, perversion of
a good biblical thing. So that was kind of like
where he took all that had to be bigger and
grander and all that type of stuff. But again, like
point being, this is not a history lesson, but that
(13:08):
shit ain't true and ain't historical, but no.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
And we were just always completely consumed with what people
did thousands of years ago.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, the absurdity of that.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Now just makes me crazy. It's like, Okay, this guy
did something three thousand years ago, and you're worried that
it's similar to what's happening now. It's just I can't,
I can't, I can't. It did start as Celtic tradition, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
And I know. So another thing too, this is not
to like pick on, pick on dad, although it could
be easy on this particular front, but in the video,
he he kept talking about the history and about how
it evolved into this Celtic tradition with the Druid priest
(14:14):
and he was calling it Samain, which it is. It
is spelled that way.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
It's spelled that way.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
But it's souring. And it made me laugh a little
bit because I was like, so, you've only read some
stuff with that, you like, you've never heard anyone say
the word. And again, not that that means like, well,
if somebody gets the word wrong, then their you know,
opinion isn't valid. But it was a little funny, like
you're presenting as like I'm going to give this history
(14:48):
lesson and I'm an authority on this, and I'm calling
it by literally the wrong name because I've never heard
it said in my life.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I did to see the pronounced yes of it, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, exactly, Like you can look up in the dictionary
and it will say how to say but you know
that's going to go right over and it's like, well
it's called Samain, it's Salmain. But anyway, I thought that
was funny in the video, like it repeatedly, and I
was like, oh no, I don't know. I just wonder
what we what that looked like to people that were
(15:22):
actually familiar they're watching this saying like, what the hell
is this?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Yeah, yeah, we were doing our best.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Okay, our best is bad.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
We were doing our best, but we were doing it.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, and that's what counts.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I think.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I just always I feel like everything was something to
be afraid of. You know, It's like, how many times
did you hear beware, you know, like in a sermon.
I just remember that throughout my whole childhood. It's like
beware Halloween and beware of the pool of Christmas, And
(16:05):
you know, it just feels like it just feels like
there was so much fear engendered in us around like
everything that was not I guess everything that was mainstream.
(16:26):
So to me, it felt like there's always danger lurking
around every corner. And then whenever we had these you know,
national holidays or whatever, like it was even scarier because
like Satan's presence was even greater during this time. I
don't know if that's how you felt, but I definitely
(16:47):
felt that way.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, no, that's exactly right. And you know, like we
would go on about how you know, of course we
were special and we weren't. We weren't perverted by the world,
and so all these churches that did like trunk or
treat or like you know, Halloween alternatives or Holyween or
(17:09):
all you know, Halloween festival type stuff that they would do.
Like he would talk about that how that was a
mixture and they were lukewarm and all that, which just
further fed into like there's danger everywhere, even in the
rest of mainstream Christianity, like danger, danger, Danger was the
name of the game.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Yeah, it's that whole concept of a little Leven. Leven's
the whole lump, which was the whole reason. You know,
he used that I couldn't have a relationship with my family,
you know, And it was the same with this. It's
like you couldn't do a trunk or treat because that
was like a little bit of Leven, like you're you're
(17:49):
celebrating a little bit. You were trying to put your
own spin on it. And God, God is not favorable
to those who create their own version of something that
is already perverse, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah, which is a little bit ironic in a way
because from the first time that we did, which many
of you, if you've listened, you've heard. If not, I'll
recap very quickly. We would do every feast, we would
have this one particular night during the feast where we
would do a night in the court of King Jesus.
(18:24):
And what it actually started out was as was a
We called it Camelot, and we all dressed up in
like medieval costumes and like toy armor and shit like
that and ate like turkey legs. Like it was like
a total goof. And I remember at the time thinking
like I would never have said that I liked Halloween,
(18:45):
but everything about Halloween like I liked. I liked dressing
up like I liked that, like the theatrical stuff and
still do. And so when we started doing that, I
was like, this is a little bit like I like
this part because it's a little bit like how it's
a little bit of an irony where it's like, to me,
that was our way of Holy Ween, if you will.
(19:07):
Even though right not exactly, there's no tug or treating
or opening pearls of demons that we knew of.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
This is kind of interesting because when you guys are
doing that. I'm not sure what year that was, but
probably around the same time I came up with an idea.
This is before I had kids at the Joplin Living
Church of God, I came up with an idea of
(19:35):
a costume party and I wanted to. It was like
supposed to be a regional event or people you know
from like Kansas City and Springfield and like all over
come to it. And I had to ask if dressing
up in a costume was okay. And this was all because,
(20:00):
like I, we all associated that with Halloween. There was
no other time where you were dressing in a costume.
And what I was told was that, yes, we could
do this costume party. However, your costume could not include
a mask or anything that covered your face, which you know,
(20:24):
I don't even remember the logic behind that, but at
the time I was probably like, oh, yes, makes sense,
you know, because that's just how we grew up and
so we did that. But I remember feeling uncomfortable about
it because this is something that was just not ever done.
And I'm telling you, people got so into that. It
(20:45):
became a yearly thing and people got really really creative
with costumes. And I just wonder now, like how much
of that was like, oh, we've never we never get
to do this, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, yeah, the people craved the Halloween. The people craved yeah, yes,
people like it, Yeah, sorry about it. Yeah, you were
talking about the like fear being such a thing, And
we named this episode Everything Is Demons because not only
(21:22):
what was there the fear of, like you're gonna be
like the world or this or that, it was often
in particular demons, sometimes by name. So we were going
to talk about a little bit of that. I made
a few notes. I talked to some family and other
people that were in Crusade for like stories that they remember.
I feel like there's so many demon related stuff, but
(21:43):
are there things that you remember, like from our growing
up that were demon related? Just to I guess further
illustrate to the listeners, like this was not just a
sometimes thing, Like demons were a huge part of what
we thought about all the time.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
All the time. But at first I just want to say, like,
in all like candidness, every episode that we've recorded at
least about us and our experience could be entitled Everything
is Demons because, like every demons were always always part
of I would say every trauma that I have out
(22:25):
of like growing up in that environment, because it was
so woven in. I never went a day. I mean,
I know we have an episode about this where I
specifically talk about my experience as a kid, like always
being afraid of demons, but like that was part of
my every day thinking like that, that was always present.
(22:52):
Being on guard, which was another like phrase that was
used a lot in the church. You supposed to be
on guard, which you know now like coming from a
mental health perspective, and you know what's happening with the
nervous system when you actually are on guard and there's
a threat, your body's not meant to sustain that repeatedly
(23:18):
and chronically. And I look back at that and I
just think, of course, my nervous system was like completely justsregulated,
because I don't ever remember going to bed one single
night without worrying that there might be demons in the room,
(23:39):
that if I thought about the wrong thing, that a
demon might enter, and by wrong thing, it could literally
just be if I saw a preview for a scary movie,
like like a demonic type movie, if that floated into
(23:59):
my mind, and as I'm like laying in bed going
to sleep, I would get completely terrified, Like I would
have to do this stuff to like push that thought
out and put something else in its place, and just
took a lot of mental effort to keep myself from
being inhabited by a demon as a kid. Like that's
(24:20):
just like so crazy when I think about that, But
that I thought that was normal.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
You know, I think that probably a lot of you know,
Christian churches would probably accept the demon possession oppression type
stuff as just fact. And not only did we have
the you know, an object can be possessed or a
person can be possessed, but like you were talking about,
like the thought type stuff like you had to be
guard like guarded, like what you just said, I agree
(24:52):
with that. With our upbringing, like you wanted to replace
the thought with something else, that thing like I think
we might to have been taught that I can't recall
like specifically what we were told, but that type of idea.
And then also I don't remember how many times I
like would walk into you know, my room at night
(25:16):
or something and it's dark and I'm scared, and my
instinct would be to like rebuke the demons, like I
probably rebuked empty rooms like a thousand times in my life.
That type of thing, Like you're always like worried, like
you're your first thought I guess is when you're afraid.
It's like it's a demon, let me rebuke it in
the name of Jesus type thing, which is just you know,
(25:40):
not saying that as a critique of Christianity. I know
there are people who listen who are Christians, but just
being on edge all the time, Like there's no world
in which that's a healthy way to live, to live life,
especially as like a young person or you know, I
was rebuking empty rooms that I thought there were demons
(26:00):
and when I'm like eight years old, probably stuff like that,
Like that's not a normal coping mechanism for when you're afraid,
which is sad. I feel little us.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
I do too, I really do. And also, you know,
like we have talked about this. This is kind of
a side note, but the isolation, isolation that comes with
being in a group like this, We're all like thinking
the same thing, right, I am like rebuking demons in
the name of Jesus Christ in my room too when
it's dark and I'm scared, But like we're not sharing
(26:38):
that with each other, We're not talking about that with
each other. I almost think it's just like I feel
like it's really lonely. It's just the way it is.
I don't even it's not something that I would think
to say. Let's say to Sarah, because she was the one,
(27:00):
you know, next sibling next to me, to say like,
I'm so scared of demons every night, like what about you?
How do you feel?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Like?
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Honestly, I was afraid to even say demon, Like I
didn't even want to like yeah, so I don't know.
It's kind of lonely that all of us, like little kids,
were like scared to death, but we don't talk to
anybody about it, and it's just like part of our
everyday lives because, like you, anytime I walked into a
dark room, always thought of demons. Always, I thought of
(27:36):
all kinds of scenarios of demons on what they might
do to me or who knows what. I don't even
I don't. I think I was just scared of anything
having to do with demons. But I think that wasn't
just because of the church and its teachings. I think
a lot of that had to do with Dad, and
we talked about that before, but he was kind of
(27:59):
obsessed with demons. Looking back, he loved talking about demons
and I think he wanted to see evidence of demons, don't.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
You think oh, because and what I have some examples too,
which again is just a snapshot, but like he would
see literally see demons in like a shadow of a
tree at night from a like security light, like literally
he wanted to see demons. I remember he took a
(28:33):
photo at the feast of a demon and was like
showing it around to people and it was like it
literally was a shadow of a tree from like a
tall security light on a light post. And even then
I was like, this is nothing. And of course this
(28:55):
was late in the game, so I think that probably
is telling too that this was like maybe this might
have been the last feast that we kept with him,
so still, but I mean that was the state of mind,
like everything was demonic and literally like look at this
photo I took of demons, Like dude.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
But if we had been kids and he told us
that and showed us a picture, we would have been like,
oh my.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Gosh, you know yeah, no doubt. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
I mean when you guys showed me that picture because
you told me the story and then I was like,
well I need to see this and someone was able
to find it. I actually thought that there was going
to be some kind of weird thing about the photo.
You know how people will be like, oh, there's a
ghost in this photo and it's not, but it's some
(29:43):
kind of play on light or whatever. I thought it
was going to be something like that, and I was
so surprised to be like looking at this and just
seeing shadows like you do understand how light works in
the dark, you know, like against a tree like what.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
It just looked like a bad photo taken with an
iPhone at night.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
That's what it was, literally what it was.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
But that's obviously that's just one example. I wrote down
a few more here. I actually messaged Sarah and some
other people just to say, like, hey, do you have
anything you remember just off the top of your head
that like demon stuff? So I wrote a few down.
I remember these are not in chronological or either I
(30:36):
should have, but I remember growing up, and you may
remember this one too, that Dad would tell the story
about how he now there was one that he was
seeing a ghost quote unquote of a Native American. I
don't do you remember that one? And again these are
we did not believe in ghosts either, so these were
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demons masquerading as ghost But I do remember one specifically.
I don't remember the the Native American one where that
came in. But one specifically was a house that we
were getting ready to move into, and I guess we
had to do some work on it beforehand. I don't
know what, but like Dad went over and he would
(31:19):
do this thing where he would go over and like,
you know, rebuke demons in the empty house and like
anoint the walls and you know, totally normal stuff that you.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Just get that olive oil out.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, and just smear oil on the walls. But he
said that he saw this Confederate soldier like at the
end of the stairs, you know, to our upstairs portion
of the house, like looking at him. But he knew,
like this wasn't actually a ghost of a Confederate soldier.
This is a demon masquerading. And of course he also
saw fear in the demon Confederate soldiers. Yeah, he's facing
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you know Dad. So that was one like I grew
up here in that story like over and over and
over again. Let me see if there any from a
little bit further back. Yeah, he told the story about
how Satan himself like held him down. Do you remember
hearing that one? Like, yes, like forcely held him down.
Sarah remembered something about like the devil like slithering into
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his mouth. I don't remember that part. I don't doubt
her a recollection of that. I don't remember hearing that part,
unless maybe those are two different instances where he was
held down by Satan himself. Who knows Dad had a
lot of face time with Satan, which is pretty cool.
(32:42):
Let me see. Sarah also also sent me one where
she said that there was some woman in the church
gave Sarah this ring that she had, and I guess
this woman was like, hey, I've got this really beautiful ring,
like you can have it, and Dad wouldn't let Sarah
have it because there was a demon attached to this ring.
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It was in a cursed object and it had to
be exercised from the ring before Sarah I could have it.
So again, like, I don't know how old Sarah would
have been, you know, teenager at this point, probably when
that happened. But just like our whole upbringing, our whole
childhoods were just fear of demons all the time.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Yeah, I remember that. I remember being afraid of like
thrift stores. She had to be careful. So that goes
in hand in hand with the ring.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Thing that's insane. Yeah, you could pick up like a
possessed item, I guess, Yeah, a possessed skirt who knows.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Yeah, like, only go to retail stores where things are new,
because demons, as we all know, cannot attach themselves to
items that have not been previously owned.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
That actually, I'm thinking that could be a fantastic marketing
campaign for like JC Penny or Bill Demon Possession free
at the store. I don't think they've explored all of
their marketing options on about that, definitely. And then there
was another one that I wrote down here that I
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remember Dad would tell the story that he was we
were at the Feast of Tabernacles in Florida, and I
think everybody went. I don't know where I was. I
think I was too young for this. Maybe I was
off somewhere with Mom, but all all the rest of
the family except for Dad, went to some kind of
like it was not a party exactly, but it was
somebody who was at this feast. So this is a
(34:41):
big feast site somebody else who was at this feast,
and rent of the house was having some kind of
like beginning of the feast like get together thing at
their really cool like beach house, so everybody was there
and Dad was at the house that we were renting alone,
and then I remember he said that he heard this
like blood curdling scream that was like undoubtedly our sister Jen,
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like coming from the room that she was staying in,
and so he like ran through the house and went
in there, and of course there's nothing there. Jen's not there,
she's at the party. And then of course from that
he said that that was a demon trying to trick him.
Like everything came back to now, maybe he heard a scream.
(35:26):
I wasn't there, obviously, I don't know. Maybe he did,
like maybe it was somebody goofing around or whatever, but
it always like it always would come back to it's
a demon like that.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah, he never ever ever considered the most logical option,
like the most logical explanation, I mean for anything, like
the first thought is that it's probably demons, you know,
and then upon further review it definitely was.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yeah, thought about it. It was.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Yeah. I remember him saying that there was a demon
that like, this is when I was a baby, I think,
because again we're being told these stories as we're growing
up like that. Also just side note, is astounding to
me that as a parent, you would, if you actually
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believe this, you think it's a good idea to tell
your young children these things. Like no thought. But he
said that there were demons underneath the sink in the kitchen.
Oh yeah, and like a mouse. Of course, of course
(36:47):
who wouldn't Who would think it's anything.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
That a mouse or a rat could be demon or
fire from heaven? Right, same time, same thing. Yeah, it
just depends on how you look at it.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Yeah, He's like, once he would go in there, it
would get quiet.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
That is in my experience, how mice work.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
And then he would leave and it would start making
noise again. And I know we've talked about this before,
but the absurdity of like what demons can do? Why
are we afraid? Like, why are we afraid? The most
this demon is doing is like making some noise underneath
the sink.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, but what if what if it opens a drawer
and you hit your hip on the drawer? It could
be it could be really if you hit your funny
bone on the open door. I don't know. There was
also I got a couple more here, again not in order,
but this is I think these last two that I
wrote down are I think they're from the same feasts
(37:59):
of tap which was it may have been the last
one that we attended with him or thereabouts, but I
remember like there was a particular feast where he said
that there were these four great Principalities, which are high
ranking demons that were surrounding the camp. And I think
this was the same year that he took the photo
(38:21):
of the Shadow and all that stuff, and then we've
talked about it. I think with Blake where it was
like the tree demon that basically looked like Groot from
Guardians of the Galaxy. I think that may have been
that in year two, but it was always just like
the threat, and then I believe it was that same feast.
I think Dad had I don't know why, but he
(38:44):
had literally like at the feast, I think had gotten
a new phone, maybe his craft out or something. We
got a new iPhone, and it was like updating and
setting up, like it wasn't even done being set up,
I don't think, and he was like having a conversation
with somebody in his cabin, maybe Mom or some other people,
but in his cabin at the feast, and then his phone.
(39:06):
I think he either said, it started making noise or
like something on the screen, and so he went over
to it, and he said, and nobody else that I
know of saw this. Maybe the other person who was
in the room did, I don't know, but he said
that it displayed the message that said, hey see your
as an see er, as in like someone who can
(39:30):
see visions or probably you know, can hear prophecies and
that type of stuff, like calling him out in like
a snarky way. And he of course thought that was
satan or and or demons that were using his phone
to say like hey see or I remember him telling
this story like over and over and over again about
how that was demonic, which even at the time with
(39:52):
that one, same with the shadowy photo, I thought, like,
do you mean like hey series, like with your new
phone telling you how do you Siri? Like stuff like that,
which is easy to like it is easy to like
poke poke at him on these and like make fun
and light and like poke at him in particular, which
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with these, it's like I said, it's easy because there
were so many like out there things. These are extreme examples.
But again point of telling these few things, it's just
to like give the context for like how we grew up.
And also not just that, but like the churches that
you were in after and worldwide was similar. I mean,
I don't think that Herbert was talking about how he
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was held down by Satan in particular, but like that
was a common theme like that. I guess what I'm
saying is the point of telling all of those is
just to give the context for like the environment, the
all of us, not just everybody who was in Crusade
and the living and all like that was a common theme.
And I'm also curious for like people who were listening,
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because we've already had some comments and like emails and
things from the teaser when we said we were going
to talk about demons and Halloween, like people saying like, well,
I was taught this growing up, So I'm actually really
curious to hear everybody else, like what parallels to our
story and what other weird things did you think were
demonic or satanic or this or that or that you
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were discouraged from taking part in. I'm sure there's all
kinds of stories, but I want to hear them.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Yeah, I do too. I was thinking I wish we
would have done a call out for voice messages and
then we could have played those that would have been fun.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I had the same I had the same thought, and
I was like, it's too late, but yeah, I put
out the little teaser and I was like, I should
have asked that.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Yeah, I didn't think about it untill now. I was
going to say, there's kind of a catch twenty two
thing around demons and your own faith, because you you know,
we were supposed to obviously be as godly as we
could possibly be and and be pleasing God in every way,
(42:13):
but then we were also taught that Satan and his
demons seek out and are attracted to God's true servants.
So it's like you're kind of screwed no matter, no
matter what, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, you have a bullseye on you.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, so don't mess with demons. But by the way,
they're coming for you.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
They're coming for you specifically. Yeah, yeah, you know. I'm
just it took me. It took me years to be
able to walk into a dark room and not feel
panic in my body, Like it was a full on
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kind of fight flight freeze thing for me. When I
was just I remember a racing heart and you know,
quick respirations and all that stuff whenever I would have
to like go upstairs by myself or anything I wanted,
like every light on in the house. And I still
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it still pops into my mind, like I don't have
the fear anymore, But sometimes it just strikes me that, oh,
I just like walked into this room or I walked
into a dark house. I'm way more likely to be
worried that someone's in my house or something. I'm ever
going to be thinking about a demon, you know.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
You know it's something real.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Sorry, right, right exactly? I mean, And now it's like, okay,
I'm when no one's in this house, the the there's
popping noises, you know, like creaking, the floor might creak
or whatever. We have beams and stuff, and and that
does not scare me at all. Like, but but in
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the past, if something like that would have happened immediately,
I would have like had the racing heart and like,
is there a demon around? Like I need to get
out of this room or whatever it is. Yeah. Oh,
it's really freeing not to have to worry about that anymore.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, just to let the demons in.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
Yeah, my friends accept them just as they are.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
This is not spiritual advice everybody what you feel like
you need to do. So I'm going to play a
clip here for you guys real quick, and for you Ashley,
you're very excited. This is just the opening clip of
a sermon from our dad. This is a sermon that
was entired. It was titled opening Portals Demons. Now that's
(45:02):
opening clip. He's not talking about demons, but I thought
it would be good to kind of share a little
bit like this was the tenor of the messages that
we guys. Let me share that real quick.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Well, the Lord gave me a revelation this week, a
very important revelation. I'm sure it's from the Lord, and
I'm sure it's the truth, and you will know it's
the truth when you hear it, because the Holy Spirit
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will testify to you. Though you probably will have not
heard it anywhere else because I haven't, and I began
searching after I received it couldn't find it anywhere. But
it's the truth, and it is a truth concerning opening
demonic portals.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Anyway, it's even better than I remembered. But anyway, that
was the like when I when I rewatched that again,
this is not like a Bashed Dad episode. But when
I rewatched that, I was like the arrogance man that
we were sitting through where it's just like even his gesturing,
it's like my god like again, but it goes back
(46:21):
to like he's very important. By extension, we are very important.
The devil himself is, you know, worried about us. These
high ranking principalities are worried about us. But point in
playing that besides the fact that it's just whatever, that's
(46:42):
that was, that's his dad in a snapshot that that
sermon was called opening Portals to Demons, and in that
he mainly is talking about how smoking the weed and
doing other drugs and mostly smoking the weed and drinking
the booze can open the portals to demons. And also
I think you may have mentioned it in this one,
(47:02):
but it was a thing growing up, like the wrong
types of music and obviously the wrong types of like games,
Like he didn't harp on dungeons and dragons and stuff
in particular, but like that would have been a no,
we didn't watch like Harry Potter. Again, we weren't hardcore
about that, but like that was not something we watched
(47:23):
The Lord of the Rings though, But Harry Potter it's
too wizardy magic, like glorifying magic, so that's bad that
type of stuff.
Speaker 4 (47:31):
So a little bit.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, yeah, that was.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
Say again that it was set in real life and
Lord of the Rings is a whole other like made
up world, and therefore it was okay that there were
wizards and witches and all this stuff. But Harry Potter, no,
these are teaching like actual kids from London to be
okay wizards and to use mad you know.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
That's funny. I hadn't thought of that distinction. But that,
I mean, it doesn't make sense. I was gonna say
that makes sense. It doesn't, but from their perspective, I
guess I can understand it. But I think I've told
this one before too. But I remember I went to Hastings,
which is our like video and you know CD store
(48:24):
in Russellville, and I bought ac DC Back in Black,
the album, and like I had never heard it before,
but I knew ac DC was cool, and I brought
that back and immediately that got confiscated and then Dad
was like reading me lyrics and I don't even remember.
He was like, Hell's bells, what's the hell? What's this about?
(48:47):
Like that type of stuff or yeah, like just like
reading off these lyrics. But yeah, that was another one
of those things, like those were demonic portals potentially and
were off limits, which kind of goes into you know,
the things that were happening before and during this time,
just like culturally in the world, but it's particularly in
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America with like the Satanic panic stuff.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
Yeah, that was like the eighties, maybe late seventies, something
like that through the eighties, and I think it ended
in the early nineties, but that just kind of took
hold in that. I mean, that was just like a
lot of different Christian denominations, but particularly like the Christian Right,
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and so there was this whole like moral panic, you
know that we were somehow compromised and we had to
like get things like back on track, and there were
all these stories going around, you know that Satanic cults
were like secretly abusing, kidnapping, sacrificing children, you know, as
(49:58):
part of a widespread occult you know, ritual thing. And
and I know, like I know, the Worldwide Church of
God definitely jumped on that bandwagon because I remember hearing
I mean this is all around the time of like
dungeons and dragons are evil and it's causing people to
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kill people, and and and all these satanic rituals are
happening on Halloween and children are being abducted and being
sacrificed and all kinds of like horrific things. I also
remember being told that there were a lot of evil
(50:42):
people that would come out on Halloween, and my vision
of what trick or treating was like was just Russian roulette,
like you're gonna pick a piece of candy that has
a razor blade in it. I don't know if you
remember that, like because I'm you're younger than me, but
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I remember just thinking how horrifying and scary it would
be to be trick or treating because you don't know,
like if there's poison in your candy or there's a
razor blade or whatever. You know, they made it sound
like this was so widespread and so common, and kids
are being abducted that night and horrible things were happening,
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you know, I know, like Dad called it, you know,
called it a bloody legacy, Halloween.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
Halloween's bloody legacy. Yeah, yeah, Samain, sorry, Samain's bloody legacy.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
Gosh, but you know what, like, in looking into all this,
there wasn't actually any evidence of these things happening. There
were some people coming out saying around this time, I
think there were some books that were written and published
or people were saying they had these repressed memories of
being part of Satanic rituals as children, and so then
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more people were like, oh, I also have suppressed memories
of being involved in a Satanic ritual and you know,
like none of that was ever proven, and a lot
of it was disproven, but it was it was all
to scare people, which is really the common thread and
everything that we talk about, because if you keep people scared,
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then you maintain control over them, and then they're going
to do whatever they need to do, which is coming
from you know, the organization. In order to stay safe.
You know, you just got to be I just remember
Dad always saying, you know, you just have to stay
close to God, you know. But it was like his version,
(52:55):
what does that mean? You know?
Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah, close to means close to him.
Speaker 4 (53:03):
Yeah, it means do everything I say. And I think
it's ironic, like in that sermon where he's like and
when you hear it, you'll know it because the Holy
Spirit will testify or whatever. But if anybody said the
Holy Spirit is not testifying to me, like it would
be a problem with that person. Yeah, you know, so
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you really already set up to believe it no matter what.
It's the same thing to me as like the you know,
the the churches that you know. I think I sent
you a video the other day where the preacher's just
going along and like hitting people in the head and
they're all acting like demons are coming out of them.
It's like, yeah, everybody knows the drill along the whole row.
(53:46):
Every single person's doing the same thing. It's just like
because if you don't, then what you're not part of this.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
Kind of becomes irrelevant at some point what you I mean,
I feel like this is true for me, what you believe, Like,
especially with these type of things, when my dad would say,
like I was given a revelation and it's true. When
you hear it, you're gonna know it's true. Like, like
you said, you're already set up. It's kind of irrelevant
(54:15):
whether you're like, yep, that sounds right to me or not,
because that's what he's saying and he's the messenger from God.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
So like the end, Yeah, pretty prime to not ask
yourself yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, and and the you know the consequences of not
believing that thing are too great, so you just don't
even think about it, which was the whole point. It's
all of this is fear and whatever. And I mean
maybe some of this was conscious, but I don't think that,
you know, the whole talking about demons all the time
(54:49):
thing was purely a fear tactic on his part or
worldwide or anybody else. I think they also were afraid
and believed it, but that's how it was used. Was
like you said, to control, and they thought that if
they could control that, that's better for everybody, you know,
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that kind of thing. So I think that was the thinking.
Speaker 4 (55:16):
I agree. Also wanted to ask you, do you remember
what Halloween was like when you were at home, Like
the night of Halloween, what are your recollections?
Speaker 2 (55:32):
Porch lights off, indoor lights low, because you wanted to
present that like we're not trick or treating. And even
when I got older, because people would still come up
even if you had like porch light off and all that,
like kids would still come up there to the door
and knock on the door, ring the doorbell. And I
(55:52):
remember when I got older, probably teenager, I was like,
I'm going to fix this, and so I like did
a hand written like expo marker, a piece of paper
on the door that's like no trick or treaty like
that kind of thing, like get out of here kids.
I was thirteen, Yeah, and I was thirteen saying get
off my lawn. But yeah, that's how I remember Halloween,
(56:16):
being like we were shutting it down, like hiding away inside.
Not that we were afraid necessarily, but like we didn't
want anybody coming up to the door. And then when
we got when I got older, we were doing the setup.
We were we were going for outreach, so we would
do the setup with the the truck. It was like
(56:37):
a box truck, and then we would put the sheet
up and project this looping video and people would like
stop because it was this area where we did it
was like an undeveloped section of Parkway Drive and so
it was just like mode grass and so there were
spots that like if somebody saw it, they would like
turn around and come back and pull into that empty space.
(57:00):
We were and like we had like Halloween's Bloody Legacy
tracks and other stuff like on the ready, and there
would be like two or three people. I was often
one of them, set up with a table by where
we had the projector to like, if somebody stops, we're
gonna have all this material ready for them, which we did.
So that was kind of the thing. When I got older,
(57:21):
we weren't just hiding away. We were like, we're gonna
get out there, We're gonna face this head on. Yeah
we were.
Speaker 4 (57:27):
We were gotta run other people's time.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
Yeah, we got to ruin this holiday for everybody else
in this town.
Speaker 4 (57:37):
Oh God, that's my whole problem with it.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
You know.
Speaker 4 (57:41):
Just the other day, this is not related to Halloween,
but uh, proselytizing, I went to I took the boys
to a twenty one Pilot's concert and we were in
a long line at the amp to like could get
our tickets scanned, and there was this guy out there
(58:01):
with a sign like repent or whatever, and he was
just literally yelling at like individual people and being like,
you know, all of you with blue hair and purple hair,
you're going to hell. Just like have you ever considered to,
like think, why would God be like so concerned about
(58:25):
the color of someone's hair and why blue and purple?
Like it makes me crazy? I'm just like, just go away,
leave people alone. Everybody's out there trying to enjoy a concert,
and there you are. It's the same thing every every
Pride festival I've ever gone to. There's that guy in
(58:45):
Fayetteville that's like dressed in robes. Do you remember that? No,
A couple of years ago. I've seen times.
Speaker 2 (58:54):
Yes, Okay, yeah, yeah, he.
Speaker 4 (58:56):
Stands right out there by the Walton Arts Center and
just like yells at people to repent, and it's always
like one hundred degrees and he's in full robes. I
don't know why, but I do.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
I do think that guy is actually like a Fayetteville
like staple. Now I've heard about him from other people,
like he's got some nickname that he goes by that
people know him and be like hey, man, like.
Speaker 4 (59:25):
Attention. No, he's just out there sweating buckets and people
are just walking by enjoying the atmosphere. But yeah, as
far as Halloween goes, like, I have the same memories
as you, and I remember hiding like I don't know
if you remember that, but it'd be like someone's coming,
someone's coming.
Speaker 2 (59:48):
You didn't want them to be, Yeah, you didn't want
them to see that anybody's inside. Yeah, and I wanted
them the way I always took it, like he wanted
them to think like nobody's home, like he just still
duck down.
Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
Also, you didn't want your house to be egged or
toilet paper or whatever like the trick, you know, And
so I think that's why we didn't put out a
sign saying no, you know, no trigger treaters or something
like that. But I remember having this feeling like something
(01:00:21):
really sinister and scary as happening out there, Like our
house was like this haven, and they were like creepy
things happening outside. And I sometimes tried to look like
crouching at the bottom of the window, like pulling the
curtain or blind back to like see if I can
(01:00:43):
see anybody walking around. And I remember as a little kid,
like really being very curious about kids that were being
kidnapped and razor bladed and all that stuff. So yeah,
not great.
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, razor blades, snickers there are always the story. Yeah,
I don't know if it's just way anymore, but like
five o'clock news, like are there razor blades being found
in children's Halloween candy? Find out at nine? And in
nine like no, but can you imagine, which is one
of my favorite tropes.
Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
It's like hours after many of the kids have already
eaten their candy too.
Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Yeah, yeah, find are there poisons in your kid's Halloween candy?
Find out at nine? No, there aren't. It's totally safe.
There's no evidence. But you got them watching and the
advertisers are happy.
Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
Oh my god. Yeah, it's crazy. That was just such
a weird time. And then whenever I really came out
of all that, and I was like looking around at everything,
like what I want to do? How do I want
my life to be? I mean, that was not hard
for me at all. It was actually much harder to
(01:02:00):
celebrate Christmas than it was Halloween. And maybe because Halloween
was never in honor of a god. It was like
a completely separate thing. And you know, I just I
just viewed it like I don't care what Jerreboham was
doing three thousand years ago or however long he lived,
(01:02:21):
you know, And I'm not worshiping anyone by doing this.
This has nothing to do with the occult for me,
and I'm just gonna enjoy this, Like I love the atmosphere,
I like the dressing up.
Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Yeah, yeah, and I do. He'll thick. And I hope
that everyone who is listening to this or watching if
you're watching it when it comes out, obviously, if you're
watching this in February, then you know, tough. But I
hope you had a good Halloween. But for everybody who's
watching this on the Wednesday, Thursday Friday that it comes out,
(01:02:59):
I hope you all have a good Halloween and they
EAT's demon free, demon free Halloween for everyone, I hope so.
Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Actually, any parting words about Halloween or demons or you know,
anything people should be aware of.
Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
Oh my god, I'm not prepared for that question.
Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
She'll think about it and get back to everyone.
Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what would be some good
parting words.
Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I don't know. I mean, just have a good time,
that's what I would say. Those aren't very strong ones,
but just you know, have a good time. And you know,
the people who don't like it, like, lay off me, man,
I'm just having a good time. I want to eat
some candy and have fun.
Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
I'm not going to live my life in complete fear
of everything that I may or may not understand. So
that's that's the way I look at it.
Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Yeah, I think me too. We just had to refrain
from so many things. And I feel like that was
like a mark of our uniqueness and chosenness that we
were doing that and to completely like shake that off
(01:04:23):
and just be like, this is a community thing. Community
is good, you know, like we were our community was
only the people that thought exactly like we did. You know,
there was fear and difference. And now to be able
to like have you know, have we have like about
(01:04:47):
two thousand kids that come to the house on Halloween
because we're like right on the main like Halloween route,
And to be able to see the family and the
little kids and the bigger kids and people just out
having a good time. It completely dispels the ideas that
(01:05:08):
I had growing up that this is like some evil
thing that people like want to be, you know, want
to be displeasing God. Like, it's just nothing to do
with that. And and I like that now I'm not hiding,
you know and crouching down behind the door the window,
like now I'm like greeting people and telling kids, like,
(01:05:30):
your costume's awesome. And yeah, it's just it feels good,
like I don't know, it's it's cool to be part
of a community.
Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Yeah, and you do it that first time, like it
was for me, and it's you know, not that I
was actually afraid and looking around, but you know a
little bit of that in your mind where like you
do it and you're like that was so fun, Like yeah,
I loved that. I'm thirty whatever and I felt like
a kid and I was like, this was so fun.
And I'm dressed up like beetlejuice, eating candy and a
(01:06:04):
bowl of chili on a porch, you know, in a
late October, and there are all these kids out here,
like everybody's having a good time and people are dressed
up in amazing costumes. Like it's just so fun and
like it demystifies it where it's like, actually, this is
really fun. You guys want to be If you guys
want to be afraid, then okay, you can do what
(01:06:24):
you want to do. But like, I'm gonna do what
I want to.
Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
Do because this is absolutely I still remember. I think
it was the first year this tiny, tiny little kid. Gosh,
this baby had to be like one year old because
he is like you know, like not like toddling, you know,
coming to the stairs and he was dressed as a
little avocado. Oh and I just thought that this is
(01:06:49):
the cutest thing I have ever seen. And the idea
that I thought this was all evil.
Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
I thought you were going to be like I saw
the avocado and I.
Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
Was like, demons. That's exactly what I thought.
Speaker 5 (01:07:03):
Yeah, Okay, everything is demons.
Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Remember that, everybody.
Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
While you're celebrating Halloween, ye, demons, except that it's not
at all.
Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Yeah, while you're in you're enjoying your Samain, remember everything
is demons. And we'll see your next time.
Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
Bye bye.
Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
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Why aren't we sober so that we can be alert?
Why do we need to be alert because there's a
prowing lion looking to see if he can devour us,
and we are helpless before him.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
There are some things about smurfs that we need to
look at. First of all, you and notice that they're
depicted as blue with black lips.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
But that interesting, and you know what happens to you
when you die?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
You turn blue and your lips turned black. Warning signs
of Satanic behavior may be apparent, such as a sudden,
bitterly antagonistic attitude towards family and religion.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
The evidence is in Satan worship and Satanic cults are
growing rapidly.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
But our kids should not be going out trick or treating.
They shouldn't dress up like ghosts and goblins and demons
and all of Satan's creatures. They should not identify with
the pagan holiday. They should be obedient to stay off
the streets and not get involved with the demonic powers
that are involved with Halloween.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to a spooky episode of
the Cult Next Store podcast. This is going to be
a little different. But before we jump into our episode,
which I have pre titled everything as demons and you'll
understand why later. Yeah, before we jump into that, I'll
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But anyway, Yeah, everyone hates their voice. Everyone hates the
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No, I choose to believe that that is not what
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actually need to throw in the mail. So, like I said,
today's episode is about Halloween and Halloween related things and demons.
So before we jump into like what we grew up with,
(03:34):
I'll just ask, because I'm not sure, Ashley, how do
you feel about Halloween. I can't tell from your backdrop.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I was gonna say, like, based on my backdrop, you
can tell I clearly hate it.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, evil, so evil.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
No, I you know, I'm like two feet in on Halloween.
I am so making up for lost time. Yeah, I
love it. It is my favorite. I wish Halloween Spooky
season lasted more than thirty one days. Yeah, yeah, so fast.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, it's the time of year when it's getting cool
and crisp. Spooky stuff is cool. I love dressing up also,
like costume stuff, like it's so fun. Like yeah, yeah,
I feel like it brings out like the childlike part,
which you know, I want to hold on to, just
like with my nails. This is from a party that
(04:33):
Liz and I went to last night where I dressed
up as Beetlejuice. So maybe I'll share that photo on
in this episode right now. Maybe I'll put it up
right here and then I'll put it on the you know,
the Instagram and stuff like that. But we went to
a concert slash party thing and I did my nails
and I had my whole face downp it was like,
it's tons of fun and it is a portals to demons.
(04:57):
But it's fun.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, I mean, but that's the trade off. So you
are doing You're doing a ghost Halloween like Ghosts the
Band on Friday Night. Okay, yeah, that's so.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I wanted to be able to get both in because
Beetlejuice was my go to for a couple or three
Halloweens however long. And then now I got some new stuff.
I actually have a couple of different costumes, and I
think next year what I really want to do. It'll
be a little bit more expensive, but I want to
dress up as the Witch King from Lord of the Rings,
(05:29):
because you have like the black shroud and the big
giant like metal thing that goes up and I feel like,
with my height already and you add that, I'm going
to be like ten foot tall and that will scare
all the kids that come up to get Halloween.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I'm gonna say, if your goal is to scare the
absolute shit out of all the three and four year
olds that you have to our house for Halloween, like
you've nailed it well.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And also I thought for some sections of it, I
could just stand out there and front, like by where
you have the spider out there in the yard, just
be very still and people will think it's like a
statue because again I'm going to be like ten foot
tall and then I can My god, that would be fun,
you know.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Yeah, well, I don't know if listeners even know how
we do Halloween, so we should probably post pictures of
that just to share, because that's fun.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Go ahead, I was saying. I was just looking at
some of the photos from last year with all the
green uplighting and the giant spider and the fog and
all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
It's fun, yes, projector I have, I have, Oh what
is the spider from Harry Potter? I'm blanking out.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I can't. I just watched those. I can't remember his name.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
No, someone's gonna call him mad because we can't remember. See.
I keep thinking shell up from a Lord of the
Rings and it's not that. No, let me find it.
It was Yeah, that was it. Aragg. Yes, Aragg is
(07:08):
a spider and I bought one, a big, kind of
a big one a couple of years ago, and I've
put him in different spots, but he is on one
of the big trees in the front yard, which is
by the sidewalk where everyone will be walking to trick
(07:29):
or treat. So he's just like wrapped around the trunk
of the tree. And then I have the three little
witches out in the yard and they're holding hands and
they are around like two pumpkins that are on fire
(07:50):
where they look like it on fire, like flames. And
I love those little witches.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And I know Toby. I know Toby has taken some
video of that in the yard, some movie I can.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Get, yes, show it, yeah, yeah, And we need to
do the projector.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Or two yes, so yeah, And when we put a
projector inside the window and like a sheet over the
inside of a big window in the front, and then
I'll project like images of like ghosts and other stuff
in there, so as people walk by, it's just like
a black window and then you see like a ghost
or something come flying up. It's really cool.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
So we try to do it.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It's fun.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
We do and I don't. And we have the green
uplighting going already over on the whole house, and I
don't know what time you're going to get there, but
the tiny kids start coming around like four or four thirty.
It is always before I'm fully ready and my costume,
so somebody has to run out there and start giving
(08:47):
candy but maybe all the little kids will be gone
before you get there because you are going to be
so scary.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, a little bit, although with this costume it does
have a purple seequin jackets. I feel like it takes
the dog just a little bit. It's scary up here
and there. It's like, oh, yeah, I've got the mask.
You can kind of see it back here, but yeah,
it's If anybody's familiar with the band Ghost, he's got
(09:16):
a really cool creepy look. And I love that band,
so yeah I can. But you know, all this, all
this Halloween stuff at your house we're talking about, and
the projector in the window does remind me of how
we also used to use a projector and a sheet.
But we put it on the side of our box
truck and parked that that box truck on a parkway drive.
(09:40):
And in Russellville, Parkway Drive is one of the bigger,
you know, three or four roads in town, so like
a lot of traffics, like a four lane you know,
at that section, and we would project which I actually
have maybe I'll share some of that. It was just
like a looping video about how Halloween is Satan's favorite
holiday and all this like creepy the images. I remember
(10:01):
at one point like there was some image that had
been edited and it was like Jennifer Love Hewitt and
she was a vampire with like blood dripping down. I
don't know if Dad found a photo of her and
added the blood like she was a vampire what. Yeah,
I think he managed a thumbnail anyway, like super scary. So,
(10:23):
you know, suffice to say, a very different view now
than we grew up with.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Oh my gosh, not even close.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
So yes, I'm not going to go through the whole thing,
but I did want to hit like a few key
points of kind of like generally what we were taught
and like what we believed growing up. So my dad
actually did a video. This is I don't know, two
(10:54):
thousand and eight or nine something like that. We've done
tons of stuff about Halloween and anti Halloween, but this
was a good one, just like a little snapshot. So
in the video, again, I'm not this is not a
history lesson about Halloween or a rebuttal of his version
of where Halloween came from, but again just for context
of how we were raised, you know, the first off,
(11:16):
obviously they hated Halloween. It was evil, it was demonic
all this stuff. But he actually taught and thought that
Halloween came from a festival that was created by King Jeroboam,
which again this is not like a history thing, but
there's no evidence that that's true, first off, and I'm
sure that there are other people who teach this. I
(11:40):
don't think he made it out of pure cloth, but
that's not like a common thing that I've heard. But
that definitely is what he thought, and that the custom
of trick or treating came from druid priest that had
descended from Jeroboam's priest, because in that biblical story, Jeroboam,
you know, brings these people who are like the worst
of the people and makes them priest, and so that
(12:02):
down the line those people became druid priest and that's
how Halloween continued. And then you know, the the thought
was that Halloween was a perversion of biblical festivals, in
particular the Last Great Day, which the last Great Day
in the Feast of Tabernacles is like the White the
(12:23):
Great White Throne judgment. Everyone's raised, so that the thinking
was like, that's a day when the dead rise, and
Halloween is like, ah, the dead are rising. So that
I think that was the thinking there, that that's why,
that's a perversion of this thing which is real, and
they've made it into this evil type of thing. So
he had lots of stuff like that in this video
(12:44):
and just in our raising, where it was always pointing
back to some even further ancient, you know, perversion of
a good biblical thing. So that was kind of like
where he took all that had to be bigger and
grander and all that type of stuff. But again, like
point being, this is not a history lesson, but that
(13:08):
shit ain't true and ain't historical, but no.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
And we were just always completely consumed with what people
did thousands of years ago.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, the absurdity of that.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Now just makes me crazy. It's like, Okay, this guy
did something three thousand years ago, and you're worried that
it's similar to what's happening now. It's just I can't,
I can't, I can't. It did start as Celtic tradition, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
And I know. So another thing too, this is not
to like pick on, pick on dad, although it could
be easy on this particular front, but in the video,
he he kept talking about the history and about how
it evolved into this Celtic tradition with the Druid priest
(14:14):
and he was calling it Samain, which it is. It
is spelled that way.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
It's spelled that way.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
But it's souring. And it made me laugh a little
bit because I was like, so, you've only read some
stuff with that, you like, you've never heard anyone say
the word. And again, not that that means like, well,
if somebody gets the word wrong, then their you know,
opinion isn't valid. But it was a little funny, like
you're presenting as like I'm going to give this history
(14:48):
lesson and I'm an authority on this, and I'm calling
it by literally the wrong name because I've never heard
it said in my life.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I did to see the pronounced yes of it, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, exactly, Like you can look up in the dictionary
and it will say how to say but you know
that's going to go right over and it's like, well
it's called Samain, it's Salmain. But anyway, I thought that
was funny in the video, like it repeatedly, and I
was like, oh no, I don't know. I just wonder
what we what that looked like to people that were
(15:22):
actually familiar they're watching this saying like, what the hell
is this?
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Yeah, yeah, we were doing our best.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Okay, our best is bad.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
We were doing our best, but we were doing it.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, and that's what counts.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I think.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I just always I feel like everything was something to
be afraid of. You know, It's like, how many times
did you hear beware, you know, like in a sermon.
I just remember that throughout my whole childhood. It's like
beware Halloween and beware of the pool of Christmas, And
(16:05):
you know, it just feels like it just feels like
there was so much fear engendered in us around like
everything that was not I guess everything that was mainstream.
(16:26):
So to me, it felt like there's always danger lurking
around every corner. And then whenever we had these you know,
national holidays or whatever, like it was even scarier because
like Satan's presence was even greater during this time. I
don't know if that's how you felt, but I definitely
(16:47):
felt that way.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, no, that's exactly right. And you know, like we
would go on about how you know, of course we
were special and we weren't. We weren't perverted by the world,
and so all these churches that did like trunk or
treat or like you know, Halloween alternatives or Holyween or
(17:09):
all you know, Halloween festival type stuff that they would do.
Like he would talk about that how that was a
mixture and they were lukewarm and all that, which just
further fed into like there's danger everywhere, even in the
rest of mainstream Christianity, like danger, danger, Danger was the
name of the game.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Yeah, it's that whole concept of a little Leven. Leven's
the whole lump, which was the whole reason. You know,
he used that I couldn't have a relationship with my family,
you know, And it was the same with this. It's
like you couldn't do a trunk or treat because that
was like a little bit of Leven, like you're you're
(17:49):
celebrating a little bit. You were trying to put your
own spin on it. And God, God is not favorable
to those who create their own version of something that
is already perverse, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah, which is a little bit ironic in a way
because from the first time that we did, which many
of you, if you've listened, you've heard. If not, I'll
recap very quickly. We would do every feast, we would
have this one particular night during the feast where we
would do a night in the court of King Jesus.
(18:24):
And what it actually started out was as was a
We called it Camelot, and we all dressed up in
like medieval costumes and like toy armor and shit like
that and ate like turkey legs. Like it was like
a total goof. And I remember at the time thinking
like I would never have said that I liked Halloween,
(18:45):
but everything about Halloween like I liked. I liked dressing
up like I liked that, like the theatrical stuff and
still do. And so when we started doing that, I
was like, this is a little bit like I like
this part because it's a little bit like how it's
a little bit of an irony where it's like, to me,
that was our way of Holy Ween, if you will.
(19:07):
Even though right not exactly, there's no tug or treating
or opening pearls of demons that we knew of.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
This is kind of interesting because when you guys are
doing that. I'm not sure what year that was, but
probably around the same time I came up with an idea.
This is before I had kids at the Joplin Living
Church of God, I came up with an idea of
(19:35):
a costume party and I wanted to. It was like
supposed to be a regional event or people you know
from like Kansas City and Springfield and like all over
come to it. And I had to ask if dressing
up in a costume was okay. And this was all because,
(20:00):
like I, we all associated that with Halloween. There was
no other time where you were dressing in a costume.
And what I was told was that, yes, we could
do this costume party. However, your costume could not include
a mask or anything that covered your face, which you know,
(20:24):
I don't even remember the logic behind that, but at
the time I was probably like, oh, yes, makes sense,
you know, because that's just how we grew up and
so we did that. But I remember feeling uncomfortable about
it because this is something that was just not ever done.
And I'm telling you, people got so into that. It
(20:45):
became a yearly thing and people got really really creative
with costumes. And I just wonder now, like how much
of that was like, oh, we've never we never get
to do this, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, yeah, the people craved the Halloween. The people craved yeah, yes,
people like it, Yeah, sorry about it. Yeah, you were
talking about the like fear being such a thing, And
we named this episode Everything Is Demons because not only
(21:22):
what was there the fear of, like you're gonna be
like the world or this or that, it was often
in particular demons, sometimes by name. So we were going
to talk about a little bit of that. I made
a few notes. I talked to some family and other
people that were in Crusade for like stories that they remember.
I feel like there's so many demon related stuff, but
(21:43):
are there things that you remember, like from our growing
up that were demon related? Just to I guess further
illustrate to the listeners, like this was not just a
sometimes thing, Like demons were a huge part of what
we thought about all the time.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
All the time. But at first I just want to say, like,
in all like candidness, every episode that we've recorded at
least about us and our experience could be entitled Everything
is Demons because, like every demons were always always part
of I would say every trauma that I have out
(22:25):
of like growing up in that environment, because it was
so woven in. I never went a day. I mean,
I know we have an episode about this where I
specifically talk about my experience as a kid, like always
being afraid of demons, but like that was part of
my every day thinking like that, that was always present.
(22:52):
Being on guard, which was another like phrase that was
used a lot in the church. You supposed to be
on guard, which you know now like coming from a
mental health perspective, and you know what's happening with the
nervous system when you actually are on guard and there's
a threat, your body's not meant to sustain that repeatedly
(23:18):
and chronically. And I look back at that and I
just think, of course, my nervous system was like completely justsregulated,
because I don't ever remember going to bed one single
night without worrying that there might be demons in the room,
(23:39):
that if I thought about the wrong thing, that a
demon might enter, and by wrong thing, it could literally
just be if I saw a preview for a scary movie,
like like a demonic type movie, if that floated into
(23:59):
my mind, and as I'm like laying in bed going
to sleep, I would get completely terrified, Like I would
have to do this stuff to like push that thought
out and put something else in its place, and just
took a lot of mental effort to keep myself from
being inhabited by a demon as a kid. Like that's
(24:20):
just like so crazy when I think about that, But
that I thought that was normal.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
You know, I think that probably a lot of you know,
Christian churches would probably accept the demon possession oppression type
stuff as just fact. And not only did we have
the you know, an object can be possessed or a
person can be possessed, but like you were talking about,
like the thought type stuff like you had to be
guard like guarded, like what you just said, I agree
(24:52):
with that. With our upbringing, like you wanted to replace
the thought with something else, that thing like I think
we might to have been taught that I can't recall
like specifically what we were told, but that type of idea.
And then also I don't remember how many times I
like would walk into you know, my room at night
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or something and it's dark and I'm scared, and my
instinct would be to like rebuke the demons, like I
probably rebuked empty rooms like a thousand times in my life.
That type of thing, Like you're always like worried, like
you're your first thought I guess is when you're afraid.
It's like it's a demon, let me rebuke it in
the name of Jesus type thing, which is just you know,
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not saying that as a critique of Christianity. I know
there are people who listen who are Christians, but just
being on edge all the time, Like there's no world
in which that's a healthy way to live, to live life,
especially as like a young person or you know, I
was rebuking empty rooms that I thought there were demons
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and when I'm like eight years old, probably stuff like that,
Like that's not a normal coping mechanism for when you're afraid,
which is sad. I feel little us.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
I do too, I really do. And also, you know,
like we have talked about this. This is kind of
a side note, but the isolation, isolation that comes with
being in a group like this, We're all like thinking
the same thing, right, I am like rebuking demons in
the name of Jesus Christ in my room too when
it's dark and I'm scared, But like we're not sharing
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that with each other, We're not talking about that with
each other. I almost think it's just like I feel
like it's really lonely. It's just the way it is.
I don't even it's not something that I would think
to say. Let's say to Sarah, because she was the one,
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you know, next sibling next to me, to say like,
I'm so scared of demons every night, like what about you?
How do you feel?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Like?
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Honestly, I was afraid to even say demon, Like I
didn't even want to like yeah, so I don't know.
It's kind of lonely that all of us, like little kids,
were like scared to death, but we don't talk to
anybody about it, and it's just like part of our
everyday lives because, like you, anytime I walked into a
dark room, always thought of demons. Always, I thought of
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all kinds of scenarios of demons on what they might
do to me or who knows what. I don't even
I don't. I think I was just scared of anything
having to do with demons. But I think that wasn't
just because of the church and its teachings. I think
a lot of that had to do with Dad, and
we talked about that before, but he was kind of
(27:59):
obsessed with demons. Looking back, he loved talking about demons
and I think he wanted to see evidence of demons, don't.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
You think oh, because and what I have some examples too,
which again is just a snapshot, but like he would
see literally see demons in like a shadow of a
tree at night from a like security light, like literally
he wanted to see demons. I remember he took a
(28:33):
photo at the feast of a demon and was like
showing it around to people and it was like it
literally was a shadow of a tree from like a
tall security light on a light post. And even then
I was like, this is nothing. And of course this
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was late in the game, so I think that probably
is telling too that this was like maybe this might
have been the last feast that we kept with him,
so still, but I mean that was the state of mind,
like everything was demonic and literally like look at this
photo I took of demons, Like dude.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
But if we had been kids and he told us
that and showed us a picture, we would have been like,
oh my.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Gosh, you know yeah, no doubt. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
I mean when you guys showed me that picture because
you told me the story and then I was like,
well I need to see this and someone was able
to find it. I actually thought that there was going
to be some kind of weird thing about the photo.
You know how people will be like, oh, there's a
ghost in this photo and it's not, but it's some
(29:43):
kind of play on light or whatever. I thought it
was going to be something like that, and I was
so surprised to be like looking at this and just
seeing shadows like you do understand how light works in
the dark, you know, like against a tree like what.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
It just looked like a bad photo taken with an
iPhone at night.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
That's what it was, literally what it was.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
But that's obviously that's just one example. I wrote down
a few more here. I actually messaged Sarah and some
other people just to say, like, hey, do you have
anything you remember just off the top of your head
that like demon stuff? So I wrote a few down.
I remember these are not in chronological or either I
(30:36):
should have, but I remember growing up, and you may
remember this one too, that Dad would tell the story
about how he now there was one that he was
seeing a ghost quote unquote of a Native American. I
don't do you remember that one? And again these are
we did not believe in ghosts either, so these were
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demons masquerading as ghost But I do remember one specifically.
I don't remember the the Native American one where that
came in. But one specifically was a house that we
were getting ready to move into, and I guess we
had to do some work on it beforehand. I don't
know what, but like Dad went over and he would
(31:19):
do this thing where he would go over and like,
you know, rebuke demons in the empty house and like
anoint the walls and you know, totally normal stuff that you.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Just get that olive oil out.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, and just smear oil on the walls. But he
said that he saw this Confederate soldier like at the
end of the stairs, you know, to our upstairs portion
of the house, like looking at him. But he knew,
like this wasn't actually a ghost of a Confederate soldier.
This is a demon masquerading. And of course he also
saw fear in the demon Confederate soldiers. Yeah, he's facing
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you know Dad. So that was one like I grew
up here in that story like over and over and
over again. Let me see if there any from a
little bit further back. Yeah, he told the story about
how Satan himself like held him down. Do you remember
hearing that one? Like, yes, like forcely held him down.
Sarah remembered something about like the devil like slithering into
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his mouth. I don't remember that part. I don't doubt
her a recollection of that. I don't remember hearing that part,
unless maybe those are two different instances where he was
held down by Satan himself. Who knows Dad had a
lot of face time with Satan, which is pretty cool.
(32:42):
Let me see. Sarah also also sent me one where
she said that there was some woman in the church
gave Sarah this ring that she had, and I guess
this woman was like, hey, I've got this really beautiful ring,
like you can have it, and Dad wouldn't let Sarah
have it because there was a demon attached to this ring.
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It was in a cursed object and it had to
be exercised from the ring before Sarah I could have it.
So again, like, I don't know how old Sarah would
have been, you know, teenager at this point, probably when
that happened. But just like our whole upbringing, our whole
childhoods were just fear of demons all the time.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Yeah, I remember that. I remember being afraid of like
thrift stores. She had to be careful. So that goes
in hand in hand with the ring.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Thing that's insane. Yeah, you could pick up like a
possessed item, I guess, Yeah, a possessed skirt who knows.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Yeah, like, only go to retail stores where things are new,
because demons, as we all know, cannot attach themselves to
items that have not been previously owned.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
That actually, I'm thinking that could be a fantastic marketing
campaign for like JC Penny or Bill Demon Possession free
at the store. I don't think they've explored all of
their marketing options on about that, definitely. And then there
was another one that I wrote down here that I
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remember Dad would tell the story that he was we
were at the Feast of Tabernacles in Florida, and I
think everybody went. I don't know where I was. I
think I was too young for this. Maybe I was
off somewhere with Mom, but all all the rest of
the family except for Dad, went to some kind of
like it was not a party exactly, but it was
somebody who was at this feast. So this is a
(34:41):
big feast site somebody else who was at this feast,
and rent of the house was having some kind of
like beginning of the feast like get together thing at
their really cool like beach house, so everybody was there
and Dad was at the house that we were renting alone,
and then I remember he said that he heard this
like blood curdling scream that was like undoubtedly our sister Jen,
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like coming from the room that she was staying in,
and so he like ran through the house and went
in there, and of course there's nothing there. Jen's not there,
she's at the party. And then of course from that
he said that that was a demon trying to trick him.
Like everything came back to now, maybe he heard a scream.
(35:26):
I wasn't there, obviously, I don't know. Maybe he did,
like maybe it was somebody goofing around or whatever, but
it always like it always would come back to it's
a demon like that.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah, he never ever ever considered the most logical option,
like the most logical explanation, I mean for anything, like
the first thought is that it's probably demons, you know,
and then upon further review it definitely was.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yeah, thought about it. It was.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Yeah. I remember him saying that there was a demon
that like, this is when I was a baby, I think,
because again we're being told these stories as we're growing
up like that. Also just side note, is astounding to
me that as a parent, you would, if you actually
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believe this, you think it's a good idea to tell
your young children these things. Like no thought. But he
said that there were demons underneath the sink in the kitchen.
Oh yeah, and like a mouse. Of course, of course
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who wouldn't Who would think it's anything.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
That a mouse or a rat could be demon or
fire from heaven? Right, same time, same thing. Yeah, it
just depends on how you look at it.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Yeah, He's like, once he would go in there, it
would get quiet.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
That is in my experience, how mice work.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
And then he would leave and it would start making
noise again. And I know we've talked about this before,
but the absurdity of like what demons can do? Why
are we afraid? Like, why are we afraid? The most
this demon is doing is like making some noise underneath
the sink.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, but what if what if it opens a drawer
and you hit your hip on the drawer? It could
be it could be really if you hit your funny
bone on the open door. I don't know. There was
also I got a couple more here, again not in order,
but this is I think these last two that I
wrote down are I think they're from the same feasts
(37:59):
of tap which was it may have been the last
one that we attended with him or thereabouts, but I
remember like there was a particular feast where he said
that there were these four great Principalities, which are high
ranking demons that were surrounding the camp. And I think
this was the same year that he took the photo
(38:21):
of the Shadow and all that stuff, and then we've
talked about it. I think with Blake where it was
like the tree demon that basically looked like Groot from
Guardians of the Galaxy. I think that may have been
that in year two, but it was always just like
the threat, and then I believe it was that same feast.
I think Dad had I don't know why, but he
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had literally like at the feast, I think had gotten
a new phone, maybe his craft out or something. We
got a new iPhone, and it was like updating and
setting up, like it wasn't even done being set up,
I don't think, and he was like having a conversation
with somebody in his cabin, maybe Mom or some other people,
but in his cabin at the feast, and then his phone.
(39:06):
I think he either said, it started making noise or
like something on the screen, and so he went over
to it, and he said, and nobody else that I
know of saw this. Maybe the other person who was
in the room did, I don't know, but he said
that it displayed the message that said, hey see your
as an see er, as in like someone who can
(39:30):
see visions or probably you know, can hear prophecies and
that type of stuff, like calling him out in like
a snarky way. And he of course thought that was
satan or and or demons that were using his phone
to say like hey see or I remember him telling
this story like over and over and over again about
how that was demonic, which even at the time with
(39:52):
that one, same with the shadowy photo, I thought, like,
do you mean like hey series, like with your new
phone telling you how do you Siri? Like stuff like that,
which is easy to like it is easy to like
poke poke at him on these and like make fun
and light and like poke at him in particular, which
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with these, it's like I said, it's easy because there
were so many like out there things. These are extreme examples.
But again point of telling these few things, it's just
to like give the context for like how we grew up.
And also not just that, but like the churches that
you were in after and worldwide was similar. I mean,
I don't think that Herbert was talking about how he
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was held down by Satan in particular, but like that
was a common theme like that. I guess what I'm
saying is the point of telling all of those is
just to give the context for like the environment, the
all of us, not just everybody who was in Crusade
and the living and all like that was a common theme.
And I'm also curious for like people who were listening,
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because we've already had some comments and like emails and
things from the teaser when we said we were going
to talk about demons and Halloween, like people saying like, well,
I was taught this growing up, So I'm actually really
curious to hear everybody else, like what parallels to our
story and what other weird things did you think were
demonic or satanic or this or that or that you
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were discouraged from taking part in. I'm sure there's all
kinds of stories, but I want to hear them.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Yeah, I do too. I was thinking I wish we
would have done a call out for voice messages and
then we could have played those that would have been fun.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I had the same I had the same thought, and
I was like, it's too late, but yeah, I put
out the little teaser and I was like, I should
have asked that.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Yeah, I didn't think about it untill now. I was
going to say, there's kind of a catch twenty two
thing around demons and your own faith, because you you know,
we were supposed to obviously be as godly as we
could possibly be and and be pleasing God in every way,
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but then we were also taught that Satan and his
demons seek out and are attracted to God's true servants.
So it's like you're kind of screwed no matter, no
matter what, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah, you have a bullseye on you.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, so don't mess with demons. But by the way,
they're coming for you.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
They're coming for you specifically. Yeah, yeah, you know. I'm
just it took me. It took me years to be
able to walk into a dark room and not feel
panic in my body, Like it was a full on
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kind of fight flight freeze thing for me. When I
was just I remember a racing heart and you know,
quick respirations and all that stuff whenever I would have
to like go upstairs by myself or anything I wanted,
like every light on in the house. And I still
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it still pops into my mind, like I don't have
the fear anymore, But sometimes it just strikes me that, oh,
I just like walked into this room or I walked
into a dark house. I'm way more likely to be
worried that someone's in my house or something. I'm ever
going to be thinking about a demon, you know.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
You know it's something real.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Sorry, right, right exactly? I mean, And now it's like, okay,
I'm when no one's in this house, the the there's
popping noises, you know, like creaking, the floor might creak
or whatever. We have beams and stuff, and and that
does not scare me at all. Like, but but in
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the past, if something like that would have happened immediately,
I would have like had the racing heart and like,
is there a demon around? Like I need to get
out of this room or whatever it is. Yeah. Oh,
it's really freeing not to have to worry about that anymore.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, just to let the demons in.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
Yeah, my friends accept them just as they are.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
This is not spiritual advice everybody what you feel like
you need to do. So I'm going to play a
clip here for you guys real quick, and for you Ashley,
you're very excited. This is just the opening clip of
a sermon from our dad. This is a sermon that
was entired. It was titled opening Portals Demons. Now that's
(45:02):
opening clip. He's not talking about demons, but I thought
it would be good to kind of share a little
bit like this was the tenor of the messages that
we guys. Let me share that real quick.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Well, the Lord gave me a revelation this week, a
very important revelation. I'm sure it's from the Lord, and
I'm sure it's the truth, and you will know it's
the truth when you hear it, because the Holy Spirit
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will testify to you. Though you probably will have not
heard it anywhere else because I haven't, and I began
searching after I received it couldn't find it anywhere. But
it's the truth, and it is a truth concerning opening
demonic portals.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Anyway, it's even better than I remembered. But anyway, that
was the like when I when I rewatched that again,
this is not like a Bashed Dad episode. But when
I rewatched that, I was like the arrogance man that
we were sitting through where it's just like even his gesturing,
it's like my god like again, but it goes back
(46:21):
to like he's very important. By extension, we are very important.
The devil himself is, you know, worried about us. These
high ranking principalities are worried about us. But point in
playing that besides the fact that it's just whatever, that's
(46:42):
that was, that's his dad in a snapshot that that
sermon was called opening Portals to Demons, and in that
he mainly is talking about how smoking the weed and
doing other drugs and mostly smoking the weed and drinking
the booze can open the portals to demons. And also
I think you may have mentioned it in this one,
(47:02):
but it was a thing growing up, like the wrong
types of music and obviously the wrong types of like games,
Like he didn't harp on dungeons and dragons and stuff
in particular, but like that would have been a no,
we didn't watch like Harry Potter. Again, we weren't hardcore
about that, but like that was not something we watched
(47:23):
The Lord of the Rings though, But Harry Potter it's
too wizardy magic, like glorifying magic, so that's bad that
type of stuff.
Speaker 4 (47:31):
So a little bit.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, yeah, that was.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
Say again that it was set in real life and
Lord of the Rings is a whole other like made
up world, and therefore it was okay that there were
wizards and witches and all this stuff. But Harry Potter, no,
these are teaching like actual kids from London to be
okay wizards and to use mad you know.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
That's funny. I hadn't thought of that distinction. But that,
I mean, it doesn't make sense. I was gonna say
that makes sense. It doesn't, but from their perspective, I
guess I can understand it. But I think I've told
this one before too. But I remember I went to Hastings,
which is our like video and you know CD store
(48:24):
in Russellville, and I bought ac DC Back in Black,
the album, and like I had never heard it before,
but I knew ac DC was cool, and I brought
that back and immediately that got confiscated and then Dad
was like reading me lyrics and I don't even remember.
He was like, Hell's bells, what's the hell? What's this about?
(48:47):
Like that type of stuff or yeah, like just like
reading off these lyrics. But yeah, that was another one
of those things, like those were demonic portals potentially and
were off limits, which kind of goes into you know,
the things that were happening before and during this time,
just like culturally in the world, but it's particularly in
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America with like the Satanic panic stuff.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
Yeah, that was like the eighties, maybe late seventies, something
like that through the eighties, and I think it ended
in the early nineties, but that just kind of took
hold in that. I mean, that was just like a
lot of different Christian denominations, but particularly like the Christian Right,
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and so there was this whole like moral panic, you
know that we were somehow compromised and we had to
like get things like back on track, and there were
all these stories going around, you know that Satanic cults
were like secretly abusing, kidnapping, sacrificing children, you know, as
(49:58):
part of a widespread occult you know, ritual thing. And
and I know, like I know, the Worldwide Church of
God definitely jumped on that bandwagon because I remember hearing
I mean this is all around the time of like
dungeons and dragons are evil and it's causing people to
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kill people, and and and all these satanic rituals are
happening on Halloween and children are being abducted and being
sacrificed and all kinds of like horrific things. I also
remember being told that there were a lot of evil
(50:42):
people that would come out on Halloween, and my vision
of what trick or treating was like was just Russian roulette,
like you're gonna pick a piece of candy that has
a razor blade in it. I don't know if you
remember that, like because I'm you're younger than me, but
(51:02):
I remember just thinking how horrifying and scary it would
be to be trick or treating because you don't know,
like if there's poison in your candy or there's a
razor blade or whatever. You know, they made it sound
like this was so widespread and so common, and kids
are being abducted that night and horrible things were happening,
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you know, I know, like Dad called it, you know,
called it a bloody legacy, Halloween.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
Halloween's bloody legacy. Yeah, yeah, Samain, sorry, Samain's bloody legacy.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
Gosh, but you know what, like, in looking into all this,
there wasn't actually any evidence of these things happening. There
were some people coming out saying around this time, I
think there were some books that were written and published
or people were saying they had these repressed memories of
being part of Satanic rituals as children, and so then
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more people were like, oh, I also have suppressed memories
of being involved in a Satanic ritual and you know,
like none of that was ever proven, and a lot
of it was disproven, but it was it was all
to scare people, which is really the common thread and
everything that we talk about, because if you keep people scared,
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then you maintain control over them, and then they're going
to do whatever they need to do, which is coming
from you know, the organization. In order to stay safe.
You know, you just got to be I just remember
Dad always saying, you know, you just have to stay
close to God, you know. But it was like his version,
(52:55):
what does that mean? You know?
Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah, close to means close to him.
Speaker 4 (53:03):
Yeah, it means do everything I say. And I think
it's ironic, like in that sermon where he's like and
when you hear it, you'll know it because the Holy
Spirit will testify or whatever. But if anybody said the
Holy Spirit is not testifying to me, like it would
be a problem with that person. Yeah, you know, so
(53:24):
you really already set up to believe it no matter what.
It's the same thing to me as like the you know,
the the churches that you know. I think I sent
you a video the other day where the preacher's just
going along and like hitting people in the head and
they're all acting like demons are coming out of them.
It's like, yeah, everybody knows the drill along the whole row.
(53:46):
Every single person's doing the same thing. It's just like
because if you don't, then what you're not part of this.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
Kind of becomes irrelevant at some point what you I mean,
I feel like this is true for me, what you believe, Like,
especially with these type of things, when my dad would say,
like I was given a revelation and it's true. When
you hear it, you're gonna know it's true. Like, like
you said, you're already set up. It's kind of irrelevant
(54:15):
whether you're like, yep, that sounds right to me or not,
because that's what he's saying and he's the messenger from God.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
So like the end, Yeah, pretty prime to not ask
yourself yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, and and the you know the consequences of not
believing that thing are too great, so you just don't
even think about it, which was the whole point. It's
all of this is fear and whatever. And I mean
maybe some of this was conscious, but I don't think that,
you know, the whole talking about demons all the time
(54:49):
thing was purely a fear tactic on his part or
worldwide or anybody else. I think they also were afraid
and believed it, but that's how it was used. Was
like you said, to control, and they thought that if
they could control that, that's better for everybody, you know,
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that kind of thing. So I think that was the thinking.
Speaker 4 (55:16):
I agree. Also wanted to ask you, do you remember
what Halloween was like when you were at home, Like
the night of Halloween, what are your recollections?
Speaker 2 (55:32):
Porch lights off, indoor lights low, because you wanted to
present that like we're not trick or treating. And even
when I got older, because people would still come up
even if you had like porch light off and all that,
like kids would still come up there to the door
and knock on the door, ring the doorbell. And I
(55:52):
remember when I got older, probably teenager, I was like,
I'm going to fix this, and so I like did
a hand written like expo marker, a piece of paper
on the door that's like no trick or treaty like
that kind of thing, like get out of here kids.
I was thirteen, Yeah, and I was thirteen saying get
off my lawn. But yeah, that's how I remember Halloween,
(56:16):
being like we were shutting it down, like hiding away inside.
Not that we were afraid necessarily, but like we didn't
want anybody coming up to the door. And then when
we got when I got older, we were doing the setup.
We were we were going for outreach, so we would
do the setup with the the truck. It was like
(56:37):
a box truck, and then we would put the sheet
up and project this looping video and people would like
stop because it was this area where we did it
was like an undeveloped section of Parkway Drive and so
it was just like mode grass and so there were
spots that like if somebody saw it, they would like
turn around and come back and pull into that empty space.
(57:00):
We were and like we had like Halloween's Bloody Legacy
tracks and other stuff like on the ready, and there
would be like two or three people. I was often
one of them, set up with a table by where
we had the projector to like, if somebody stops, we're
gonna have all this material ready for them, which we did.
So that was kind of the thing. When I got older,
(57:21):
we weren't just hiding away. We were like, we're gonna
get out there, We're gonna face this head on. Yeah
we were.
Speaker 4 (57:27):
We were gotta run other people's time.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
Yeah, we got to ruin this holiday for everybody else
in this town.
Speaker 4 (57:37):
Oh God, that's my whole problem with it.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
You know.
Speaker 4 (57:41):
Just the other day, this is not related to Halloween,
but uh, proselytizing, I went to I took the boys
to a twenty one Pilot's concert and we were in
a long line at the amp to like could get
our tickets scanned, and there was this guy out there
(58:01):
with a sign like repent or whatever, and he was
just literally yelling at like individual people and being like,
you know, all of you with blue hair and purple hair,
you're going to hell. Just like have you ever considered to,
like think, why would God be like so concerned about
(58:25):
the color of someone's hair and why blue and purple?
Like it makes me crazy? I'm just like, just go away,
leave people alone. Everybody's out there trying to enjoy a concert,
and there you are. It's the same thing every every
Pride festival I've ever gone to. There's that guy in
(58:45):
Fayetteville that's like dressed in robes. Do you remember that? No,
A couple of years ago. I've seen times.
Speaker 2 (58:54):
Yes, Okay, yeah, yeah, he.
Speaker 4 (58:56):
Stands right out there by the Walton Arts Center and
just like yells at people to repent, and it's always
like one hundred degrees and he's in full robes. I
don't know why, but I do.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
I do think that guy is actually like a Fayetteville
like staple. Now I've heard about him from other people,
like he's got some nickname that he goes by that
people know him and be like hey, man, like.
Speaker 4 (59:25):
Attention. No, he's just out there sweating buckets and people
are just walking by enjoying the atmosphere. But yeah, as
far as Halloween goes, like, I have the same memories
as you, and I remember hiding like I don't know
if you remember that, but it'd be like someone's coming,
someone's coming.
Speaker 2 (59:48):
You didn't want them to be, Yeah, you didn't want
them to see that anybody's inside. Yeah, and I wanted
them the way I always took it, like he wanted
them to think like nobody's home, like he just still
duck down.
Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
Also, you didn't want your house to be egged or
toilet paper or whatever like the trick, you know, And
so I think that's why we didn't put out a
sign saying no, you know, no trigger treaters or something
like that. But I remember having this feeling like something
(01:00:21):
really sinister and scary as happening out there, Like our
house was like this haven, and they were like creepy
things happening outside. And I sometimes tried to look like
crouching at the bottom of the window, like pulling the
curtain or blind back to like see if I can
(01:00:43):
see anybody walking around. And I remember as a little kid,
like really being very curious about kids that were being
kidnapped and razor bladed and all that stuff. So yeah,
not great.
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, razor blades, snickers there are always the story. Yeah,
I don't know if it's just way anymore, but like
five o'clock news, like are there razor blades being found
in children's Halloween candy? Find out at nine? And in
nine like no, but can you imagine, which is one
of my favorite tropes.
Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
It's like hours after many of the kids have already
eaten their candy too.
Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Yeah, yeah, find are there poisons in your kid's Halloween candy?
Find out at nine? No, there aren't. It's totally safe.
There's no evidence. But you got them watching and the
advertisers are happy.
Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
Oh my god. Yeah, it's crazy. That was just such
a weird time. And then whenever I really came out
of all that, and I was like looking around at everything,
like what I want to do? How do I want
my life to be? I mean, that was not hard
for me at all. It was actually much harder to
(01:02:00):
celebrate Christmas than it was Halloween. And maybe because Halloween
was never in honor of a god. It was like
a completely separate thing. And you know, I just I
just viewed it like I don't care what Jerreboham was
doing three thousand years ago or however long he lived,
(01:02:21):
you know, And I'm not worshiping anyone by doing this.
This has nothing to do with the occult for me,
and I'm just gonna enjoy this, Like I love the atmosphere,
I like the dressing up.
Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Yeah, yeah, and I do. He'll thick. And I hope
that everyone who is listening to this or watching if
you're watching it when it comes out, obviously, if you're
watching this in February, then you know, tough. But I
hope you had a good Halloween. But for everybody who's
watching this on the Wednesday, Thursday Friday that it comes out,
(01:02:59):
I hope you all have a good Halloween and they
EAT's demon free, demon free Halloween for everyone, I hope so.
Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Actually, any parting words about Halloween or demons or you know,
anything people should be aware of.
Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
Oh my god, I'm not prepared for that question.
Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
She'll think about it and get back to everyone.
Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what would be some good
parting words.
Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I don't know. I mean, just have a good time,
that's what I would say. Those aren't very strong ones,
but just you know, have a good time. And you know,
the people who don't like it, like, lay off me, man,
I'm just having a good time. I want to eat
some candy and have fun.
Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
I'm not going to live my life in complete fear
of everything that I may or may not understand. So
that's that's the way I look at it.
Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Yeah, I think me too. We just had to refrain
from so many things. And I feel like that was
like a mark of our uniqueness and chosenness that we
were doing that and to completely like shake that off
(01:04:23):
and just be like, this is a community thing. Community
is good, you know, like we were our community was
only the people that thought exactly like we did. You know,
there was fear and difference. And now to be able
to like have you know, have we have like about
(01:04:47):
two thousand kids that come to the house on Halloween
because we're like right on the main like Halloween route,
And to be able to see the family and the
little kids and the bigger kids and people just out
having a good time. It completely dispels the ideas that
(01:05:08):
I had growing up that this is like some evil
thing that people like want to be, you know, want
to be displeasing God. Like, it's just nothing to do
with that. And and I like that now I'm not hiding,
you know and crouching down behind the door the window,
like now I'm like greeting people and telling kids, like,
(01:05:30):
your costume's awesome. And yeah, it's just it feels good,
like I don't know, it's it's cool to be part
of a community.
Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Yeah, and you do it that first time, like it
was for me, and it's you know, not that I
was actually afraid and looking around, but you know a
little bit of that in your mind where like you
do it and you're like that was so fun, Like yeah,
I loved that. I'm thirty whatever and I felt like
a kid and I was like, this was so fun.
And I'm dressed up like beetlejuice, eating candy and a
(01:06:04):
bowl of chili on a porch, you know, in a
late October, and there are all these kids out here,
like everybody's having a good time and people are dressed
up in amazing costumes. Like it's just so fun and
like it demystifies it where it's like, actually, this is
really fun. You guys want to be If you guys
want to be afraid, then okay, you can do what
(01:06:24):
you want to do. But like, I'm gonna do what
I want to.
Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
Do because this is absolutely I still remember. I think
it was the first year this tiny, tiny little kid. Gosh,
this baby had to be like one year old because
he is like you know, like not like toddling, you know,
coming to the stairs and he was dressed as a
little avocado. Oh and I just thought that this is
(01:06:49):
the cutest thing I have ever seen. And the idea
that I thought this was all evil.
Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
I thought you were going to be like I saw
the avocado and I.
Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
Was like, demons. That's exactly what I thought.
Speaker 5 (01:07:03):
Yeah, Okay, everything is demons.
Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Remember that, everybody.
Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
While you're celebrating Halloween, ye, demons, except that it's not
at all.
Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Yeah, while you're in you're enjoying your Samain, remember everything
is demons. And we'll see your next time.
Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
Bye bye.
Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
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