July 24, 2024 • 26 mins
Former Longhorn and Texas State skipper Ty Harrington joins the show to discuss the latest rule changes in College Baseball, Jim Schlossnagle, and more with Craig!
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It's the coach, Ty Harrington.Do you know who that was? By
the way, that that song wewere just playing there Ty the artist?
No, No, but I meanI Cam. I thought Cameron and I
were closer than this. I did, and I really did. I don't
know. Yes, I mean Georgestraight, Yeah, let's go. I'm
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in you know that, I meancountry, Yes, I mean you know,
so that's okay. And and ifif the truth were known in your
midway high school upbringing, when youand the former athletic director of the UIL
now on the Nebraska coaching staff,doctor Susan Elson, were running around with
friends together, you guys ran itwith a harder edge, didn't you.
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It was either country or it wasa pretty hard hot smoke and rock and
roll, right, one hundred percent? Yeah, one hundred and it was
yeah, I mean look again,you know on the on the walls of
Zeppelin to rush To, I meanyeah, and stones To you know,
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bet do you name it? Andthen I mean that wasn't even Delbert McClinton.
No, so you so you hadno room in your world for Leo
Sayer, did you. Well?Now, I mean I'm well rounded,
but you know my preference so Idon't listen to anything, as you very
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well know, and uh and dolisten to everything, but I have limits
of preference. Okay, all right, fair enough, fair enough, ty
Eric did is with us, andI wanted to I wanted to get I
know you're you've become versed on thisin the last twenty four hours on this,
because this really started to spike upmore in the last twenty four hours.
There was there was an article onYahoo from Ross Ellinger, who we've
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known for a long time, andhe said, during a meeting yesterday,
our conference commissioners finalize new roster sizelimits that pave the way for athletic departments
to distribute millions of dollars in newscholarships to athletes, most notably football,
baseball, and softball. Conference officialswith knowledge of the figure spoke to Yahoo
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Sports under condition of anonymity. Sothis would be part of that new revenue
sharing model beginning in twenty twenty fivetwenty twenty six, not this coming academic
and athletic school year, but nextyear, by sports scholarship restrictions are eliminated,
schools are permitted to offer scholarships tothe entirety of the rosters. So,
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for example, for folks who don'tknow, football, which has that
current scholarship restriction of eighty five,will now have a roster limit of one
to five. That's a twenty scholarshipincrease for those schools willing to give the
maximum. But this is an importantnote for football, the one oh five
may not be a requirement until thestart of the competitive season, which gives
coaches flexibility to go beyond that figureduring preseason camp. For instance, baseball,
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with a current scholarship restriction of elevenpoint seven, is expected to have
a roster of thirty four scholarship spotsfor softball and volleyball each currently at twelve
will increase to twenty five and eighteenrespectively. At all, more than sixty
additional scholarships are available for distribution inthose five sports. So, tye,
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the key on this whole deal fromthe way I understand it, what I'm
reading also from Ross's piece, it'sall about roster size and less about and
less about how many actual scholarships you'regetting per sport. Correct, that's right,
one hundred percent. This is aboutroster sizes and instead of you know,
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they figure there's going to be somethat won't be on scholarship, that
everybody won't be able to afford themaximum number that you can allot. But
yeah, so basically it is hisroster sizes and each can obtain and or
have a scholarship if available. Butthat's the limit. Now that there's no
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more of the you know, thirtyfour guys there on aid and the extra
eight guys gray shirts or other guysroster spots. There's no more of that.
Thirty four is the hard number.One to five is you. You
brought it up in football and that'sit, and and so, but for
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baseball, that's huge. The numberof scholarships. You know, we've eleven
point seven was I bet I couldround up one hundred coaches right now that's
spent thirty five percent of their lifemanaging eleven point seven and the draft trying
to figure that out, I promiseyou, because it is not easy when
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you start talking, you know,talking about draft players that you might get
drafted, but you've over signed atthe time, and then natural attrition of
guy signing not signing guys leave itnot I mean, it's it is you're
talking about roster management at a maximumor a high level. That's what each
of us were doing every summer,trying to make sure we didn't exceed the
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eleven point seven that once was.And basically you were working with a number,
and you pointed out eleven point seven, you were working with a percentage
number, right, because you couldn'trare. Was the time you'd give a
guy a one full ride when youonly had eleven point seven to go for
thirty five kids on the roster.So there was a lot of what forty
sixty percent stuff like that. Yeah, most everybody would say you the majority
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of a scholarship to a baseball playerwas book suition and fees. That was
like the That was the beginning,and that was where you work. Most
of us worked off of that.Now, obviously there were you got guys
for less than that, you gotguys for more than that where you got
book suition fees, and you'd givethem a stipend every month of two hundred
bucks towards the room and board.Because remember now the last probably last eight
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years, ten years, you wereable to feed the players NonStop. So
you could put food in the lockerroom, you could put food on the
bus, you could put food aftergames, practices and different things like that.
So that helped to be able tofeed the baseball players that were on
an equivalence here, any equivalency sport. But yeah, the majority of the
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guys that coaches would start at,hey, let's start at you know,
book suits and fees. And historicallyin state that was anywhere from forty two
percent to forty six percent. Formost schools out of state, that increased
it to about sixty to sixty fivepercent because you had to add in the
out of state tuition part of itas well, which was always more expensive
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for a state school. Private schoolcompletely different. Private school worked off of
the solid number. I'm just gonnause a number here and just for what
it may be seen like at TCU, let's just say it was sixty five
thousand. They worked off of thatnumber, whether or they were from California,
year, whether they were from Atlanto, Texas. The other part in
if you're a state school in thestate of Texas, you know, on
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the average, let's just use it. You know, my last couple of
years at Texas State, it wasprobably twenty twenty one thousand. Do you
use that number to base it offof? And that's what you know,
tuition was tuition, books and feeswere somewhere in there around forty two to
forty six percent based on how manyhours they took as well. Ty Harrington
joining us here on the program.Now, when I did that panel discussion
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down a coaching school on Sunday,one of the questions that came up for
the coaches and it dealt with theconcern they had about the possibility of walk
ons being eliminated from this because ifyou go with that one oh five number
in the past, if if schoolscarried one hundred and five, it'd be
what eighty five scholarship guys, ifthey went full scholarships eighty five and then
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like twenty walk ons. But they'retalking about the NCAA saying you get one
oh five and that's it. Youcan put them all on scholarship, but
no walks. And I know there'ssome concern about that. Yeah, but
it's still a number, right,I mean, it's still number of players,
you know, one to five.Yes, there's gonna be some but
there. But but there's gonna besome some of these schools that arguing to
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be walking because some schools aren't gonnago to one oh five, Yeah,
I mean they can't afford me.And so that's right, they're not gonna
be able to afford it. Andand up baseball softball try I mean everybody
you know baseball softball to add upmore for their scholarships. I mean,
those are those are decisions that administrators, athletic directors and presidents are gonna have
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to decide of each institution where they'regonna put that scholarship allignments, and how
much money or how much scholarship budgetthey're gonna give those sports. So tye
to use it in a baseball context, Let's say the University of Texas does
go the full thirty four on that, and I would imagine that would be
the plan, certainly for coach LosNigel and the program to go with the
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thirty four full rides. Off ofthat, that might not equate to the
same thing, obviously, at sayI'm gonna use a smaller in state school,
for example, Division one is calledCharleton State. Uh, They're a
smaller Division one in state school.But they might not be able to afford
the full thirty four full ride guys, So you could they might have twenty
two or twenty four or twenty eightor something like that with some walk ons,
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but they all have to come tothat number. Correct, That's correct,
That's right, okay, And that'sthe part. That's the part that's
gonna become a sep beginning of aseparation for a lot because when I say
separation from a recruiting perspective, solet's just say school A, and if
it is University of Texas, they'recertainly gonna be one of the ones that
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do it. I would assume thatthe you know, school A is gonna
go out and give the thirty fourschools. I mean, there's gonna be
a ton of schools. We're gonnabe at fifteen to eighteen. There's gonna
be I'm guessing too. But that'sa huge job. Now, you know,
you know from eleven point, let'sjust play with numbers at twelve and
then you add you know, fivemore scholarships to get to seventeen at twenty
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thousand. You can do the math. That's expensive, yeah, and uh
and so and for the private schools, it's even more expensive from a scholarship
budget perspective. So I mean they'regonna that's gonna vary, that's gonna be
interesting to see. And let's sayfrom from year twenty five twenty six when
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it starts to what it looks likeyear twenty eight twenty nine, which is
kind of weird to say, buttwenty eight to twenty nine, what that's
gonna look like. How many schoolsare giving twenty scholarships? You know,
how many are going up to thirtyfour. But I think it's gonna vary
from twelve all the way to thirtyfour, with a lot of division on
schools until they can get their budgetsfigured out. Good point there, all
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right? Ty Harrington joined us onthe program. You weren't coaching school just
as I was. You were alecturer, you were a guest speaker.
What did you talk about? Well, he had a lot, man,
I had so much fun. Ialways and this is true, Craig my
and I told him my world started, my world as a coach and a
player, and everything started at TexasHigh School Coaches Association with my dad,
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and I told the story that someof them were there were guys still are
old enough in there to remember thistoo, that I can remember running around
ASCRO world and going to coaching school. And you know what I mean when
It was in Houston and going tovarious places and it was refreshing and fun.
But we talked about some of theyou know, a throwing component that
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we used for years at Texas State. That's a really good way for guys
to get efficient amount of time usedto learn how to catch, throw,
relay, different things. It's afunctional throwing drills what we called it.
That was the first part of it. The last part of it was talking
about the different successful personalities and emotionalmindsets of really successful teams, but also
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really successful individuals as well, andso there was a there was a lot
that went involved with that, anduh, you know, with from a
speaking perspective, it's it's you know, how do you how do you judge
a team, you know, aplayer led team, you know, having
guys that have an intrinsic value alreadythat you that that push you as a
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coach to feed them more information.I'll Paul Goldschmid, you know, Thomas
Field type guys to you know,talking about you know, alpha workers and
then alpha competitors. I mean,I told the story and this is true,
you know, uh, and Italked about coach Gush, you know,
participating in fifteen seasons as the highschool coach. Yeah, and going
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to going to eight eight state championtournaments and winning seven state championships. That's
half the time he was a coachthat he won a state championship almost.
And then we talked about, youknow, the guys that were alpha competitors
in meaning what coach gust did tous, that did to us helped us
with as players. We competed everyday when you put your pants on to
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go to practice, because we weretwo and three deep, right, and
he puts you one on one againsteach other, and how he subconsciously and
consciously was pushing you, you know, to be the best you could be
by teaching you how to compete andnowadays sometimes understanding the motivation of really what
that means to compete. Some guyshave to be taught what that looks like.
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They just sometimes they don't know whatthe true meaning of their how you
get them to be their very best. You would hear all you say to
be your very best, or youwould hear the you know, the guys
say to compete at the highest level, and sometimes as coaches, you got
to teach him how to do that. And all of my years of coaching
through successful teams and players, andafter I got done, it got a
little clearer for me. You've heardme talk about that before that. To
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me, the game got clearer forme because I got to see it and
it became beautiful again for me towatch it. So a lot of that.
It was fun. The Texas highschool coaches are unreal. Uh.
Joe Martin invited me to come downand visit. He's an old friend of
mine and needed somebody to fill inand give a guest speak. And again
it was a blast. I enjoyedit. Hey, can you hold on
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through the break because we haven't evengotten to Texas. I need to ask
you a couple other things. Uh, all right, Ty Harrington's with us.
Would take a break. When wecome back, we'll talk a little
bit of long worn baseball as well. We'll continue here on sports Radio AM
thirteen under the zone of the iHeartRadioapp. How about that one? Did
you just did you just know thatlast artist there that we're bumping back there
with the music? Did you recognizethat at all? That last bump?
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Yeah? Now that was uh okay, Now this was a little more toward
the rock side, even though thatwas a yacht rock set. That was
that was the late Robert Palmer asin bad case Love of You or you
know all that stuff. Yeah,I got, I mean I got.
I got the bump of it andthe beat of it, and I couldn't
come up with who what the songwas in the name of it? Okay,
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you aren't getting You're definitely warming upon the more of the liking of
it, Okay, all right,all right, the fishing with Ti Harrington.
Hey, somebody on the text lineand talking about the difference between what
we're talking about now with the newscholarship measures that will go in for baseball
versus say percentages. Somebody said,I played in San Marcos in the nineteen
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eighties. I got a book bagand a British literature textbook. Ps.
I was not a starter. Iss to say? Ty, when you
were in Texas, you were noton one hundred percent scholarship, one hundred
percent full ride. Was not onone hundred percent full ride. No,
And you know what interesting at thatpoint in time, I would have to
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go back and we were I thinkwe were at either eighteen full scholarships or
or fifteen full scholarships back then.Okay, so it went it was fifteen.
I think it went eighteen, fifteen, thirteen, eleven point seven.
Wow. So that was the appeelingback of this of the baseball scholarships.
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I know that. I'm pretty surewhen I was playing it was fifteen.
And when I started coaching the coachgot at Texas, it went to thirteen
about halfway through it. And thenafter it was at thirteens when it bended,
when it went all the way backto eleven point seven. Wow,
no doubt about that. I wantedI wanted to ask you get your thoughts
on Texas. You and I havetalked offline, and you've been on with
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with Cam and with others while Iwas on vacation with regard to Jim Schlosnagle
taking over at Texas. First,let me ask you about that Longland roster
and Oachlass has to be pleased withJayleen Flor's announcement that he's coming back.
Yesterday, Andre du Pontier said he'scoming back as well. And and and
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by and large, a lot ofthe guys you know, we certainly expected,
uh, you know, guys likeJared Thomas who went in the second
round of the draft and Labaron Johnson, you know, LBG going to the
fifth round, both of them goingto the Rock. He's good to see
Tanner Wit be selected by the NewYork Mets and in the fourteenth round.
And he signed for a guy who'sbeen through everything he's been through. But
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the makeup of the roster, especiallythe guys that Schloss has transferring in also
through the portal, as well asthe freshman coming in, looked pretty good
for next season. Indeed, hedoes. I mean it, you know,
I mean, I think it speaksto the recruiting he has and the
the It also speaks to the abilityof what the portal allows for a coach
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to be able to, you know, take a job and then immediately attack
the roster needs. And I certainlythink that he has done that. You
know, it's interesting. I hadsomebody reach reach out. I think they
were kiddingly when they said this,But on social media it's been going back
and forth between Texas and Texas Aand M the different you know, measuring
of who got this guy and whogot that guy, and it's almost like
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watching the waiver wire. But thebottom line is, I think Slash has
done exactly what I thought he woulddo and what he's been accustoms exactly what
he did when he got to Aand M. It was the attack the
portal part of it, and tohelp the roster. And I thought,
and you brought this up this asecond ago, and I totally agree,
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And I think a great place tostart is with Jalen Flores. Now,
look that guy from his freshman yearto where the year ended for him.
This past season, his attributes physicallyand emotionally grew so much. You know,
early in his career they were ableto throw fastballs on top of him
to speed him up and then breakersaway. But this year, when early
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in the season they tried to throwfastballs on top of him, Craig and
he was able to get the barrelinside and get to it and flush to
it and hit balls out pull sideand drive balls the other way. Imagine,
you know, if you're a longhornedfan and a pro scout, what
that's going to look like, youknow, three p sixty five from now
right, and and and his growthand strength wise and just the maturity as
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a player. I thought that wasa great flag in the ground of Hey
this I'm coming back. And Ithink it was a rallying point for recruiting.
I know it had to help.And the momentum of it as well,
with with Slash getting here and hisstaff and trying to reach out to
other players and and create a betterWhat they were trying to do is create
a better roster, and they've beenable to do that. In fact,
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also going through and of course thestuff that got announced yesterday that it looked
like a left handed pitcher, JaredSpencer from Indiana State committed to Texas out
of the portal on Sunday. Andof course now because he was selected in
the fourteenth round of the draft,as you know, because he was selected
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after the tenth round, just likeEli Trump, the other one who would
select could because of those two guysgoing after the tenth round, they could
sign uh what for one hundred andfifty thousand dollars with af phillies with the
teams that are drafting them without accountingagainst the bonus pool. But the deadline
for those drafts is four o'clock aweek from today, So if they pick
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up both of those guys, thatwould be big. And then the junior
college first baseman from Northwest Florida State, Jackway Stewart was another big pick up
yees one hundred percent, and againyou know a South Texas young man.
And I mean that those are importantpieces of trying to improve your immediate roster.
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And that's exactly what you're doing.And they and what's changed, you
know, the draft part of itand timing, signing, timing and different
things have changed and evolved over thecouple of years. I actually had a
conversation at coaching school with a youngman who had gotten drafted that was at
a junior college and was considering goingthe Division one and he would be considered.
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What used to be in in inthe old days where Skip Johnson and
and Tim Tadlock and ow All gotour started was the draft and follow and
we had a lot of drafted kidson our on our team that would come
there to junior colleges and the andthe major league team would have the rights
to them for a year right upprior to the next draft that they could
still sign them in that period.And that's they brought that back. And
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so you got guys, a handfulof guys trying to make those decisions as
well. And but yes, you'reright, look at the you know,
it doesn't count when going back tothe one hundred and fifty thousand doesn't count
in their in their pool. Youknow, if they make it one more
week, I mean, it wouldbe huge at that point in time for
roster improvement for the Horns. Yeah. And Stewart, by the way,
as you pointed out, he wasa high school teammate. Uh uh,
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you know down at uh at Sintonand high school team had a Ryland Galmon.
So that didn't hurt, right,No, it doesn't hurt. And
one of your old time pitchers,favorite pitchers is the head coach. Yeah,
and uh so I mean, andand not a bad Longhorn himself,
mind you. And uh and solook, yes, I think it would
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be a huge help and a hugepickup and already gives you familiarity. It's
always nice when you can go somewherenew and you've got a teammate and you
have some familiarity with the program.Yeah. And of course we were talking
about Adrian Allen. He's who washis head coach at Cinton. All Right.
The one other thing I wanted toask you about. You know,
David Pierce is the guy we knowvery well is a friend of ours.
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And Wiley's no longer the head coachat the University of Texas. He's going
down to Texas State. What inthat special assistant role for Steven Trout which
I think is a really good pickup, uh, for for coach Trowdon for
the Texas State program. I thinkit's awesome for both. I think it's
fantastic for Texas State. You know, I don't know if it's become official
yet. I guess it will beat some point in time soon, but
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I look if in fact that's whatit is, and I think it is
it. It is a beautiful pickup, a wonderful pickup for both sides.
And I think it's you know,in that role, you've got a head
coach and David Pierce who's got aton of experience, a ton of experience
and and great knowledge, and andnow he's able to help Steven troutt who
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is a I think still one ofthe brightest minds. Uh are not still
it is one of the brightest mindsin college baseball. And and uh,
I think he's got a tremendous amountof energy and passion and love for for
teaching and coaching and running the programand I think it's a great pickup as
you refer to it, for bothbecause look, he's gonna be able to
help Texas State with his knowledge coachfears that is, and and and all
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of his experience, and and he'llbe He'll it'll start to clear for him
some cue. I mean, there'llbe some clarity for him because he won't
have the same demands on him ashe did not even close as being the
head coach at the University of Texas, And I think it'll create some some
space for him to be incredibly creative. And look, he's a he's a
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coach. I mean, he's acoach. He started as a high school
coach and then became a college assistantand then became a head coach. I
mean, and he's got the experiencedpart of his unbelievable, but he loves
to coach. And so now he'sgot an opportunity in this role to help
give his insight on personnel as insighton on doing things for the staff and
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with the staff and with Steven,you know, working closely. And so
I think it's a tremendous tremendous forboth of them that you know, coach
Pearce gets to do what he lovesto do, and that his coach and
and now he'll be kind of coachingcoaches and and and also using his experience
on the personnel side, and uhand and then of course, obviously you
know, for coach child, Ithink it's gonna help him and to have
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somebody next to him talk to himabout, hey, my experience, this
is what I saw, or thisis what I see and that we all
would love that. And I'm andit's just some some help. And so
I think it's a great match up, great pickup, however you want to
look at it. And I thinkit's fantastic for both of them. He's
Ty Harrington who joins us. Bythe way, we just missed his birthday
a few days here, would youdo? Fifty two fifty three? What
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are you now? Well, Ilove to hear it. I love the
sound of that. But I amI will tell you that I am sixty
years old, and I know youknow, and look, there were moments
in my life I didn't know ifI was going to see it, and
uh, and so I am Iam proud to be here and and uh
and glad to be here when peopleask me how. I'm not afraid.
Yeah, you know what I mean. I'll certainly tell him without any doubt.
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And so but I'm I was excitedabout getting uh getting there, and
hopefully I'll look at if I lookmy goal was alway eighty. I'm creeping
up on it. I'm getting it. I'm creeping on it. Okay,
all right, Hey, I appreciateyou doing this, and we'll check you
in again on down the line.And thanks for taking the time today.
Always a pleasure you guys. Havea great summer. I look forward to
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business. You got some more,you bet, no doubt about it.
That's Ty Harrington, our member ofour broadcast team, and of course such
wisdom coming out from the coaching perspectiveas well. We'll be back to wrap
up this hour, our number twoof the program on sports Radio AM thirteen
under the Zone in the iHeartRadio app.
It's the coach, Ty Harrington.Do you know who that was? By
the way, that that song wewere just playing there Ty the artist?
No, No, but I meanI Cam. I thought Cameron and I
were closer than this. I did, and I really did. I don't
know. Yes, I mean Georgestraight, Yeah, let's go. I'm
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in you know that, I meancountry, Yes, I mean you know,
so that's okay. And and ifif the truth were known in your
midway high school upbringing, when youand the former athletic director of the UIL
now on the Nebraska coaching staff,doctor Susan Elson, were running around with
friends together, you guys ran itwith a harder edge, didn't you.
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It was either country or it wasa pretty hard hot smoke and rock and
roll, right, one hundred percent? Yeah, one hundred and it was
yeah, I mean look again,you know on the on the walls of
Zeppelin to rush To, I meanyeah, and stones To you know,
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bet do you name it? Andthen I mean that wasn't even Delbert McClinton.
No, so you so you hadno room in your world for Leo
Sayer, did you. Well?Now, I mean I'm well rounded,
but you know my preference so Idon't listen to anything, as you very
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well know, and uh and dolisten to everything, but I have limits
of preference. Okay, all right, fair enough, fair enough, ty
Eric did is with us, andI wanted to I wanted to get I
know you're you've become versed on thisin the last twenty four hours on this,
because this really started to spike upmore in the last twenty four hours.
There was there was an article onYahoo from Ross Ellinger, who we've
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known for a long time, andhe said, during a meeting yesterday,
our conference commissioners finalize new roster sizelimits that pave the way for athletic departments
to distribute millions of dollars in newscholarships to athletes, most notably football,
baseball, and softball. Conference officialswith knowledge of the figure spoke to Yahoo
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Sports under condition of anonymity. Sothis would be part of that new revenue
sharing model beginning in twenty twenty fivetwenty twenty six, not this coming academic
and athletic school year, but nextyear, by sports scholarship restrictions are eliminated,
schools are permitted to offer scholarships tothe entirety of the rosters. So,
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for example, for folks who don'tknow, football, which has that
current scholarship restriction of eighty five,will now have a roster limit of one
to five. That's a twenty scholarshipincrease for those schools willing to give the
maximum. But this is an importantnote for football, the one oh five
may not be a requirement until thestart of the competitive season, which gives
coaches flexibility to go beyond that figureduring preseason camp. For instance, baseball,
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with a current scholarship restriction of elevenpoint seven, is expected to have
a roster of thirty four scholarship spotsfor softball and volleyball each currently at twelve
will increase to twenty five and eighteenrespectively. At all, more than sixty
additional scholarships are available for distribution inthose five sports. So, tye,
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the key on this whole deal fromthe way I understand it, what I'm
reading also from Ross's piece, it'sall about roster size and less about and
less about how many actual scholarships you'regetting per sport. Correct, that's right,
one hundred percent. This is aboutroster sizes and instead of you know,
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they figure there's going to be somethat won't be on scholarship, that
everybody won't be able to afford themaximum number that you can allot. But
yeah, so basically it is hisroster sizes and each can obtain and or
have a scholarship if available. Butthat's the limit. Now that there's no
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more of the you know, thirtyfour guys there on aid and the extra
eight guys gray shirts or other guysroster spots. There's no more of that.
Thirty four is the hard number.One to five is you. You
brought it up in football and that'sit, and and so, but for
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baseball, that's huge. The numberof scholarships. You know, we've eleven
point seven was I bet I couldround up one hundred coaches right now that's
spent thirty five percent of their lifemanaging eleven point seven and the draft trying
to figure that out, I promiseyou, because it is not easy when
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you start talking, you know,talking about draft players that you might get
drafted, but you've over signed atthe time, and then natural attrition of
guy signing not signing guys leave itnot I mean, it's it is you're
talking about roster management at a maximumor a high level. That's what each
of us were doing every summer,trying to make sure we didn't exceed the
(05:13):
eleven point seven that once was.And basically you were working with a number,
and you pointed out eleven point seven, you were working with a percentage
number, right, because you couldn'trare. Was the time you'd give a
guy a one full ride when youonly had eleven point seven to go for
thirty five kids on the roster.So there was a lot of what forty
sixty percent stuff like that. Yeah, most everybody would say you the majority
(05:39):
of a scholarship to a baseball playerwas book suition and fees. That was
like the That was the beginning,and that was where you work. Most
of us worked off of that.Now, obviously there were you got guys
for less than that, you gotguys for more than that where you got
book suition fees, and you'd givethem a stipend every month of two hundred
bucks towards the room and board.Because remember now the last probably last eight
(06:03):
years, ten years, you wereable to feed the players NonStop. So
you could put food in the lockerroom, you could put food on the
bus, you could put food aftergames, practices and different things like that.
So that helped to be able tofeed the baseball players that were on
an equivalence here, any equivalency sport. But yeah, the majority of the
(06:24):
guys that coaches would start at,hey, let's start at you know,
book suits and fees. And historicallyin state that was anywhere from forty two
percent to forty six percent. Formost schools out of state, that increased
it to about sixty to sixty fivepercent because you had to add in the
out of state tuition part of itas well, which was always more expensive
(06:44):
for a state school. Private schoolcompletely different. Private school worked off of
the solid number. I'm just gonnause a number here and just for what
it may be seen like at TCU, let's just say it was sixty five
thousand. They worked off of thatnumber, whether or they were from California,
year, whether they were from Atlanto, Texas. The other part in
if you're a state school in thestate of Texas, you know, on
(07:05):
the average, let's just use it. You know, my last couple of
years at Texas State, it wasprobably twenty twenty one thousand. Do you
use that number to base it offof? And that's what you know,
tuition was tuition, books and feeswere somewhere in there around forty two to
forty six percent based on how manyhours they took as well. Ty Harrington
joining us here on the program.Now, when I did that panel discussion
(07:28):
down a coaching school on Sunday,one of the questions that came up for
the coaches and it dealt with theconcern they had about the possibility of walk
ons being eliminated from this because ifyou go with that one oh five number
in the past, if if schoolscarried one hundred and five, it'd be
what eighty five scholarship guys, ifthey went full scholarships eighty five and then
(07:50):
like twenty walk ons. But they'retalking about the NCAA saying you get one
oh five and that's it. Youcan put them all on scholarship, but
no walks. And I know there'ssome concern about that. Yeah, but
it's still a number, right,I mean, it's still number of players,
you know, one to five.Yes, there's gonna be some but
there. But but there's gonna besome some of these schools that arguing to
(08:13):
be walking because some schools aren't gonnago to one oh five, Yeah,
I mean they can't afford me.And so that's right, they're not gonna
be able to afford it. Andand up baseball softball try I mean everybody
you know baseball softball to add upmore for their scholarships. I mean,
those are those are decisions that administrators, athletic directors and presidents are gonna have
(08:33):
to decide of each institution where they'regonna put that scholarship allignments, and how
much money or how much scholarship budgetthey're gonna give those sports. So tye
to use it in a baseball context, Let's say the University of Texas does
go the full thirty four on that, and I would imagine that would be
the plan, certainly for coach LosNigel and the program to go with the
(08:56):
thirty four full rides. Off ofthat, that might not equate to the
same thing, obviously, at sayI'm gonna use a smaller in state school,
for example, Division one is calledCharleton State. Uh, They're a
smaller Division one in state school.But they might not be able to afford
the full thirty four full ride guys, So you could they might have twenty
two or twenty four or twenty eightor something like that with some walk ons,
(09:20):
but they all have to come tothat number. Correct, That's correct,
That's right, okay, And that'sthe part. That's the part that's
gonna become a sep beginning of aseparation for a lot because when I say
separation from a recruiting perspective, solet's just say school A, and if
it is University of Texas, they'recertainly gonna be one of the ones that
(09:43):
do it. I would assume thatthe you know, school A is gonna
go out and give the thirty fourschools. I mean, there's gonna be
a ton of schools. We're gonnabe at fifteen to eighteen. There's gonna
be I'm guessing too. But that'sa huge job. Now, you know,
you know from eleven point, let'sjust play with numbers at twelve and
then you add you know, fivemore scholarships to get to seventeen at twenty
(10:07):
thousand. You can do the math. That's expensive, yeah, and uh
and so and for the private schools, it's even more expensive from a scholarship
budget perspective. So I mean they'regonna that's gonna vary, that's gonna be
interesting to see. And let's sayfrom from year twenty five twenty six when
(10:28):
it starts to what it looks likeyear twenty eight twenty nine, which is
kind of weird to say, buttwenty eight to twenty nine, what that's
gonna look like. How many schoolsare giving twenty scholarships? You know,
how many are going up to thirtyfour. But I think it's gonna vary
from twelve all the way to thirtyfour, with a lot of division on
schools until they can get their budgetsfigured out. Good point there, all
(10:50):
right? Ty Harrington joined us onthe program. You weren't coaching school just
as I was. You were alecturer, you were a guest speaker.
What did you talk about? Well, he had a lot, man,
I had so much fun. Ialways and this is true, Craig my
and I told him my world started, my world as a coach and a
player, and everything started at TexasHigh School Coaches Association with my dad,
(11:13):
and I told the story that someof them were there were guys still are
old enough in there to remember thistoo, that I can remember running around
ASCRO world and going to coaching school. And you know what I mean when
It was in Houston and going tovarious places and it was refreshing and fun.
But we talked about some of theyou know, a throwing component that
(11:35):
we used for years at Texas State. That's a really good way for guys
to get efficient amount of time usedto learn how to catch, throw,
relay, different things. It's afunctional throwing drills what we called it.
That was the first part of it. The last part of it was talking
about the different successful personalities and emotionalmindsets of really successful teams, but also
(12:01):
really successful individuals as well, andso there was a there was a lot
that went involved with that, anduh, you know, with from a
speaking perspective, it's it's you know, how do you how do you judge
a team, you know, aplayer led team, you know, having
guys that have an intrinsic value alreadythat you that that push you as a
(12:22):
coach to feed them more information.I'll Paul Goldschmid, you know, Thomas
Field type guys to you know,talking about you know, alpha workers and
then alpha competitors. I mean,I told the story and this is true,
you know, uh, and Italked about coach Gush, you know,
participating in fifteen seasons as the highschool coach. Yeah, and going
(12:45):
to going to eight eight state championtournaments and winning seven state championships. That's
half the time he was a coachthat he won a state championship almost.
And then we talked about, youknow, the guys that were alpha competitors
in meaning what coach gust did tous, that did to us helped us
with as players. We competed everyday when you put your pants on to
(13:09):
go to practice, because we weretwo and three deep, right, and
he puts you one on one againsteach other, and how he subconsciously and
consciously was pushing you, you know, to be the best you could be
by teaching you how to compete andnowadays sometimes understanding the motivation of really what
that means to compete. Some guyshave to be taught what that looks like.
(13:33):
They just sometimes they don't know whatthe true meaning of their how you
get them to be their very best. You would hear all you say to
be your very best, or youwould hear the you know, the guys
say to compete at the highest level, and sometimes as coaches, you got
to teach him how to do that. And all of my years of coaching
through successful teams and players, andafter I got done, it got a
little clearer for me. You've heardme talk about that before that. To
(13:56):
me, the game got clearer forme because I got to see it and
it became beautiful again for me towatch it. So a lot of that.
It was fun. The Texas highschool coaches are unreal. Uh.
Joe Martin invited me to come downand visit. He's an old friend of
mine and needed somebody to fill inand give a guest speak. And again
it was a blast. I enjoyedit. Hey, can you hold on
(14:16):
through the break because we haven't evengotten to Texas. I need to ask
you a couple other things. Uh, all right, Ty Harrington's with us.
Would take a break. When wecome back, we'll talk a little
bit of long worn baseball as well. We'll continue here on sports Radio AM
thirteen under the zone of the iHeartRadioapp. How about that one? Did
you just did you just know thatlast artist there that we're bumping back there
with the music? Did you recognizethat at all? That last bump?
(14:39):
Yeah? Now that was uh okay, Now this was a little more toward
the rock side, even though thatwas a yacht rock set. That was
that was the late Robert Palmer asin bad case Love of You or you
know all that stuff. Yeah,I got, I mean I got.
I got the bump of it andthe beat of it, and I couldn't
come up with who what the songwas in the name of it? Okay,
(15:01):
you aren't getting You're definitely warming upon the more of the liking of
it, Okay, all right,all right, the fishing with Ti Harrington.
Hey, somebody on the text lineand talking about the difference between what
we're talking about now with the newscholarship measures that will go in for baseball
versus say percentages. Somebody said,I played in San Marcos in the nineteen
(15:22):
eighties. I got a book bagand a British literature textbook. Ps.
I was not a starter. Iss to say? Ty, when you
were in Texas, you were noton one hundred percent scholarship, one hundred
percent full ride. Was not onone hundred percent full ride. No,
And you know what interesting at thatpoint in time, I would have to
(15:46):
go back and we were I thinkwe were at either eighteen full scholarships or
or fifteen full scholarships back then.Okay, so it went it was fifteen.
I think it went eighteen, fifteen, thirteen, eleven point seven.
Wow. So that was the appeelingback of this of the baseball scholarships.
(16:08):
I know that. I'm pretty surewhen I was playing it was fifteen.
And when I started coaching the coachgot at Texas, it went to thirteen
about halfway through it. And thenafter it was at thirteens when it bended,
when it went all the way backto eleven point seven. Wow,
no doubt about that. I wantedI wanted to ask you get your thoughts
on Texas. You and I havetalked offline, and you've been on with
(16:30):
with Cam and with others while Iwas on vacation with regard to Jim Schlosnagle
taking over at Texas. First,let me ask you about that Longland roster
and Oachlass has to be pleased withJayleen Flor's announcement that he's coming back.
Yesterday, Andre du Pontier said he'scoming back as well. And and and
(16:52):
by and large, a lot ofthe guys you know, we certainly expected,
uh, you know, guys likeJared Thomas who went in the second
round of the draft and Labaron Johnson, you know, LBG going to the
fifth round, both of them goingto the Rock. He's good to see
Tanner Wit be selected by the NewYork Mets and in the fourteenth round.
And he signed for a guy who'sbeen through everything he's been through. But
(17:14):
the makeup of the roster, especiallythe guys that Schloss has transferring in also
through the portal, as well asthe freshman coming in, looked pretty good
for next season. Indeed, hedoes. I mean it, you know,
I mean, I think it speaksto the recruiting he has and the
the It also speaks to the abilityof what the portal allows for a coach
(17:37):
to be able to, you know, take a job and then immediately attack
the roster needs. And I certainlythink that he has done that. You
know, it's interesting. I hadsomebody reach reach out. I think they
were kiddingly when they said this,But on social media it's been going back
and forth between Texas and Texas Aand M the different you know, measuring
of who got this guy and whogot that guy, and it's almost like
(18:00):
watching the waiver wire. But thebottom line is, I think Slash has
done exactly what I thought he woulddo and what he's been accustoms exactly what
he did when he got to Aand M. It was the attack the
portal part of it, and tohelp the roster. And I thought,
and you brought this up this asecond ago, and I totally agree,
(18:22):
And I think a great place tostart is with Jalen Flores. Now,
look that guy from his freshman yearto where the year ended for him.
This past season, his attributes physicallyand emotionally grew so much. You know,
early in his career they were ableto throw fastballs on top of him
to speed him up and then breakersaway. But this year, when early
(18:45):
in the season they tried to throwfastballs on top of him, Craig and
he was able to get the barrelinside and get to it and flush to
it and hit balls out pull sideand drive balls the other way. Imagine,
you know, if you're a longhornedfan and a pro scout, what
that's going to look like, youknow, three p sixty five from now
right, and and and his growthand strength wise and just the maturity as
(19:10):
a player. I thought that wasa great flag in the ground of Hey
this I'm coming back. And Ithink it was a rallying point for recruiting.
I know it had to help.And the momentum of it as well,
with with Slash getting here and hisstaff and trying to reach out to
other players and and create a betterWhat they were trying to do is create
a better roster, and they've beenable to do that. In fact,
(19:33):
also going through and of course thestuff that got announced yesterday that it looked
like a left handed pitcher, JaredSpencer from Indiana State committed to Texas out
of the portal on Sunday. Andof course now because he was selected in
the fourteenth round of the draft,as you know, because he was selected
(19:56):
after the tenth round, just likeEli Trump, the other one who would
select could because of those two guysgoing after the tenth round, they could
sign uh what for one hundred andfifty thousand dollars with af phillies with the
teams that are drafting them without accountingagainst the bonus pool. But the deadline
for those drafts is four o'clock aweek from today, So if they pick
(20:18):
up both of those guys, thatwould be big. And then the junior
college first baseman from Northwest Florida State, Jackway Stewart was another big pick up
yees one hundred percent, and againyou know a South Texas young man.
And I mean that those are importantpieces of trying to improve your immediate roster.
(20:41):
And that's exactly what you're doing.And they and what's changed, you
know, the draft part of itand timing, signing, timing and different
things have changed and evolved over thecouple of years. I actually had a
conversation at coaching school with a youngman who had gotten drafted that was at
a junior college and was considering goingthe Division one and he would be considered.
(21:02):
What used to be in in inthe old days where Skip Johnson and
and Tim Tadlock and ow All gotour started was the draft and follow and
we had a lot of drafted kidson our on our team that would come
there to junior colleges and the andthe major league team would have the rights
to them for a year right upprior to the next draft that they could
still sign them in that period.And that's they brought that back. And
(21:25):
so you got guys, a handfulof guys trying to make those decisions as
well. And but yes, you'reright, look at the you know,
it doesn't count when going back tothe one hundred and fifty thousand doesn't count
in their in their pool. Youknow, if they make it one more
week, I mean, it wouldbe huge at that point in time for
roster improvement for the Horns. Yeah. And Stewart, by the way,
as you pointed out, he wasa high school teammate. Uh uh,
(21:49):
you know down at uh at Sintonand high school team had a Ryland Galmon.
So that didn't hurt, right,No, it doesn't hurt. And
one of your old time pitchers,favorite pitchers is the head coach. Yeah,
and uh so I mean, andand not a bad Longhorn himself,
mind you. And uh and solook, yes, I think it would
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be a huge help and a hugepickup and already gives you familiarity. It's
always nice when you can go somewherenew and you've got a teammate and you
have some familiarity with the program.Yeah. And of course we were talking
about Adrian Allen. He's who washis head coach at Cinton. All Right.
The one other thing I wanted toask you about. You know,
David Pierce is the guy we knowvery well is a friend of ours.
(22:33):
And Wiley's no longer the head coachat the University of Texas. He's going
down to Texas State. What inthat special assistant role for Steven Trout which
I think is a really good pickup, uh, for for coach Trowdon for
the Texas State program. I thinkit's awesome for both. I think it's
fantastic for Texas State. You know, I don't know if it's become official
yet. I guess it will beat some point in time soon, but
(22:56):
I look if in fact that's whatit is, and I think it is
it. It is a beautiful pickup, a wonderful pickup for both sides.
And I think it's you know,in that role, you've got a head
coach and David Pierce who's got aton of experience, a ton of experience
and and great knowledge, and andnow he's able to help Steven troutt who
(23:18):
is a I think still one ofthe brightest minds. Uh are not still
it is one of the brightest mindsin college baseball. And and uh,
I think he's got a tremendous amountof energy and passion and love for for
teaching and coaching and running the programand I think it's a great pickup as
you refer to it, for bothbecause look, he's gonna be able to
help Texas State with his knowledge coachfears that is, and and and all
(23:41):
of his experience, and and he'llbe He'll it'll start to clear for him
some cue. I mean, there'llbe some clarity for him because he won't
have the same demands on him ashe did not even close as being the
head coach at the University of Texas, And I think it'll create some some
space for him to be incredibly creative. And look, he's a he's a
(24:02):
coach. I mean, he's acoach. He started as a high school
coach and then became a college assistantand then became a head coach. I
mean, and he's got the experiencedpart of his unbelievable, but he loves
to coach. And so now he'sgot an opportunity in this role to help
give his insight on personnel as insighton on doing things for the staff and
(24:25):
with the staff and with Steven,you know, working closely. And so
I think it's a tremendous tremendous forboth of them that you know, coach
Pearce gets to do what he lovesto do, and that his coach and
and now he'll be kind of coachingcoaches and and and also using his experience
on the personnel side, and uhand and then of course, obviously you
know, for coach child, Ithink it's gonna help him and to have
(24:48):
somebody next to him talk to himabout, hey, my experience, this
is what I saw, or thisis what I see and that we all
would love that. And I'm andit's just some some help. And so
I think it's a great match up, great pickup, however you want to
look at it. And I thinkit's fantastic for both of them. He's
Ty Harrington who joins us. Bythe way, we just missed his birthday
a few days here, would youdo? Fifty two fifty three? What
(25:11):
are you now? Well, Ilove to hear it. I love the
sound of that. But I amI will tell you that I am sixty
years old, and I know youknow, and look, there were moments
in my life I didn't know ifI was going to see it, and
uh, and so I am Iam proud to be here and and uh
and glad to be here when peopleask me how. I'm not afraid.
Yeah, you know what I mean. I'll certainly tell him without any doubt.
(25:36):
And so but I'm I was excitedabout getting uh getting there, and
hopefully I'll look at if I lookmy goal was alway eighty. I'm creeping
up on it. I'm getting it. I'm creeping on it. Okay,
all right, Hey, I appreciateyou doing this, and we'll check you
in again on down the line.And thanks for taking the time today.
Always a pleasure you guys. Havea great summer. I look forward to
(25:59):
business. You got some more,you bet, no doubt about it.
That's Ty Harrington, our member ofour broadcast team, and of course such
wisdom coming out from the coaching perspectiveas well. We'll be back to wrap
up this hour, our number twoof the program on sports Radio AM thirteen
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