September 6, 2024 • 12 mins
Gene Watson, our resident MLB Insider and Director of Player Personnel with the Chicago White Sox, joins the show to talk all things MLB!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
As we do every Friday.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
We like to during baseball season take a step back
a little bit and talk a little bit of baseball,
especially now that we are into September Pennant races. Of course,
our good friend and a personnel director the Chicago White Sox,
Geene Watson, joins us on the hotline. Gino, I'm I'm
gonna confess in advance, and I'm gonna let folks know
(00:21):
this in advance because of what we had to do
some interesting re routing around here. There's a chance that
Gino might not be able to hear me, and if
that's the case, then Cameron will take the wheel and
take it from there. Gena, are you able to hear
me at all?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I can hear you. Well, Greg, Wow, Hey it works.
That's good to know.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Of course, if I hadn't said anything, then it probably
wouldn't worked. Then we would had a problem. So I'm
glad it works. You're on the West Coast, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, I'm in Pasadena right now covering your Los Angeles Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Well they've been an interesting study obviously, And you were
there for shoe Otani's return to anim Margie where you
were with him a season ago. What was that like?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It was awesome, Craig.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
You know, to see those fans celebrate him like they
did was really a cool thing. They didn't really have
a tribute video, which I thought was interesting, but you know,
to watch him, you know, he's such a great human being,
and to see him with his former teammates and a
lot of his former coaches and interact with the fans.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And the media was really special.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
And I thought the Angels did a great job of
attacking him in the two game series. They really went
right after him, especially Griffin Canning and so. But no,
it was really a cool thing to see to be
a small part of it. Twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I thought this was I'm gonna get your thoughts on this.
I thought this was interesting too. I was flipping back
and forth between the Dodgers telecast and the Angels telecast
because I.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Like him both.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
And at one point, what was in the pregame, I
think with Wayne Randazzo and a couple of the other guys,
Mark Goubaza, to whom I am distantly related, and we
were and I was watching them talk about show Hay's
season last year and this year, and it is their contention.
(02:15):
They believe that show A had a better season last
year than he had this year, and they cited the
fact he won ten games on the mound before they
had to shut him down, and the batting averages higher,
the power numbers are very very similar. Of course, on
the other side, here's a guy that's you know, got
forty six tolen bases and is on the verge of
becoming Major League Baseball's first ever fifty to fifty guy.
(02:38):
So a case could be made either way. You were
right there to see it firsthand with show A last year.
How do you feel that his two seasons compare.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
You know, I think it's interesting. I think last year
I don't think they're wrong about that. You know, it's
interesting that in the American League West, you've got the
dominant pitching in Houston, you've got the dominant pitching in Seattle.
Texas had their great rotational World Championship rotation last year,
and when Rendon and Trout rale of the line up,
Otawney really didn't have a lot of protection so which
(03:11):
was over half the season.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So now you put him in the National.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
League with less, you know, true top of the rotation
type starters night after night in division. But but you
have a lot more protection in this lineup than you
did in LA.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So I think that there's a strong case for that
to be true.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think that I disagreed with you
it I just thought it was an interesting theory on that. Okay,
now I want to get your thoughts on these Pennant races.
And let's start off in America League East, because Oils
and Yankees have been tooth and nail, and the Yankees
just got through dropping the series in Arlington to the Rangers,
and and and while Corey Seeger's season may be done,
(03:53):
he's back on the injured list. To see to continue
to see the Rangers and all that young talent kind
of go at them and take two or three from
the Yankees, I thought was pretty impressive.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
You know, Texas has really not given up on this season.
They really haven't. They're they're working really hard. There's a
chance Kumar Rocker could be up by the by season's end.
You've seen what Jack Lyder has done in that rotation.
But the Yankees really have to figure out the closer role.
Clay Holmes, who was just spectacular of the first month
of the season, had like a one to five e r.
(04:27):
The first ten games are the first ten appearances of
the season, and then really fell off. Made the All
Star team, but really had an er and er and
like the nines after that, and he's blown nine of
his last stave attempts. They they really if they're going
to make a run deep into October, they've got to
try to figure out that closer position. And it's not
(04:48):
something that's really easy to figure out. It's it's not
something you want to try to go to by committee.
And so that's probably the most glaring need for the
Yankees right now.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Well and for the Orioles.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It's it's been really interesting to see because at times
they look like world beaters and then there are times.
And by the way, the Yankees did bounce back today.
They shut out the Cubs today three nothing. They got
to win on that. But the Orioles also have had
at times some closing issues this season, haven't they?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Really a lot of these teams have.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
It is such a difficult thing right now to find somebody.
It takes a really special guy to go out there
and get the final three outs of a game.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And when you don't get it, done.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
It takes an even more special guy to come into
the clubhouse the next day and say give me the ball, guys,
I'm gonna do it again tonight.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But we've just had so many injuries.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Across the game of baseball that it's not that that
teams don't really have the closers, it's that they've had
a hard time getting to their closers. So a lot
of teams are using their higher leverage guys at that
pivotal point of the game, whether it's the seventh, eighth
or the night when the game is on the line.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
They're using their closers earlier in the game.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
But there's just such the supply and the demand of
the people that can get those final three outs is
so minimal that clubs are having a hard time getting
to that role.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
And you've just got I.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Think what Maryfield said this week was was really really interesting,
where you've got a bunch of arms that are ninety
five to one hundred that come up and they've got
great arms, and they've got really good fastballs, but they
don't really know where the ball is going, and that's
created a real inefficiency in the market when it comes
to guys that are truly qualified to pitch in high
leverage situations, especially in October.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, and I read those comments from with Maryfield, and
you've known him ever since he was coming up, coming
out of South Carolina, and you could tell he was
not happy about it, and he said apparently a lot
of pitchers told him the same thing. I'm glad somebody
spoke up. Do you see Major League Baseball being more
punitive against clubs and or individual pitchers who maybe they're
(06:58):
not trying to hit somebody, Because always you'll hear an
announcer say, especially if it's a pitcher on the team,
that the guy's announcing hitting somebody because well, he's not
trying to hit him there. But I think I've heard
Keith Morland say this. I think I've heard you say
this before. There comes a point where you say, it
doesn't matter if you're trying to hit me, if you
(07:18):
don't have enough control and you break my hand like
it did to Mookie Bats or like Austin Riley getting hit,
or if you hit somebody in the head, you shouldn't
be out there. And so do you see major League
Baseball stepping up it's disciplinary role about such things?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Well, it's a really slippery slope when you think about
Al tuv last year in the World Baseball Classic and
what a blow that was to the Houston Astros. But
the whole pitching infrastructure in professional baseball, and we've talked
about this many times, is really off right now because
it's become so much about velocity and pitch shape and
pitch design. And then when they took the sticky stuff
(07:58):
away from pitchers Mike, for the first couple of weeks,
guys were having a hard time throwing it over the play.
And while it seemed to be somewhat of a competitive
advantage for the pitchers, I think the hitters would probably
like to have it back right now because they at
least know that the pitchers have solid feel for the baseball.
They're experimenting with the TACKI baseball at the Triple A
(08:19):
levels and the Double A levels, and I think that's
something that could probably come into play at some point,
But it's really when you're putting your very best players
in the thirteen billion dollar industry, when you're putting your
very best players at harm day in and day out,
I think it is something that you have to look at.
I don't think it's a situation where if you hit
(08:40):
a batter, if they have to leave the game, you
have to leave the game. That's a little harsh for
me because I know in today's game, with the camaraderie
that exists within Major League Baseball, nobody is intentionally trying
to hit anybody. It just doesn't exist anymore. And so
I do think they're going to have to come up
with some means. Maybe in all serious is maybe a
(09:02):
velocity limit where you know, you can't go over ninety
seven miles an hour, you got to stay in the
ninety four to ninety six mile an hour range. Something
that can give these hitters a little more protection, because
with one hundred and thirty five Tommy Johns and major
league rotations and put having to push every pitcher up
the board at that point, it's really created a supplying
(09:23):
demand issue at the major league level.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You know, at all those Tommy Johns, all of those surgeries,
how many can you confidently say or feel we're connected
to just the vlomania that has permeated Major League Baseball
pitching staffs and pitching coaches and organizations about wanting their
(09:47):
guys to throw upper nineties to low triple digits.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Craig, I don't think you can generalize with it.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I really don't. I think this is a this is
an industry epidemic. You know.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I had a son that played seven years professional baseball
and he didn't throw hard at all, and he had
Tommy John and labor surgery, and so I think, I
think this is a very embedded issue within our industry.
I think it begins at the amateur level with the
number of games that kids are playing between between the
ages of six and twelve, and then you go to
(10:19):
the bigger fields and a lot of kids have not
physically reached their their their peak physically, and and they're
having to go to bigger fields and overcompensate with their deliveries. Uh.
It's it's the it's the year round baseball. It's it's
the way they train once they get into college. It's
it's less cardio like it used to be. It's more
(10:39):
short burst, a lot of weight training, a lot of
core and and very wound tight. So I don't think
it's any one thing. I certainly don't think it's the
pitch clock. But but I think I over time and really,
uh really addresses an industry and really get back to
like the old cool guys and find out what worked
(11:01):
for them and then really try to pinpoint where this
all went wrong with the industry.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
You demonstrated earlier this year that you rub elbows with
some of Hollywood's elite, and at a Dodger game, you
were hanging out with Mary Hart and her husband, the
producer Bert Sugarman. So you're a Dodger stadium to night.
You and you and Mary and Bert hook it up
for dinner in the in the in the stadium club tonight.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
You know what, Melanie is with me tonight and we
are going to the Stadium club for dinner compliments of
Dennis Gilbert. So we were in Beverly Hills last night
at Dennis Gilbert's house having a wonderful dinner. And we're
looking forward to getting a Dodger Stadium early tonight and
having dinner. And we'll be right there centered right behind
home played during the game.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
No Dodger dogs for this guy. We're talking primary up here.
You were so bougie, you know, But that's that's great. Hey, Listen,
I have a great weekend. And and you said you
ran out of this tunnel here at Michigan. But once yeah,
about two thousand and two, Jeff's On, the former head
coach of Michigan baseball, took me over for a tour
and we were going down the tunnel and he stopped
(12:05):
me and he said, if you want to go ahead,
And I looked like Rudy going out of that tunnel,
coming out on the fifty yard line and going out
on the big m and it was really a thrill.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Of a lifetime.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
And I cannot wait to see the environment in the
atmosphere tomorrow. And I think the Longhorns are going to
roll tomorrow, So looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
All right, Thanks to you, No, enjoy the weekend, all right, guys,
take care.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
All right.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
That'steen Watson from the Chicago White Sox and a man
who rolls with the big names. So he'll be in
the stadium club tonight. They're at Dodger Stadium and he'll
be doing his job as well.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
All right.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
We have more coming up as we continue from Ann
Arbor here on Sports Radio AM thirteen under the zone
of the I Radio app.
As we do every Friday.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
We like to during baseball season take a step back
a little bit and talk a little bit of baseball,
especially now that we are into September Pennant races. Of course,
our good friend and a personnel director the Chicago White Sox,
Geene Watson, joins us on the hotline. Gino, I'm I'm
gonna confess in advance, and I'm gonna let folks know
(00:21):
this in advance because of what we had to do
some interesting re routing around here. There's a chance that
Gino might not be able to hear me, and if
that's the case, then Cameron will take the wheel and
take it from there. Gena, are you able to hear
me at all?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I can hear you. Well, Greg, Wow, Hey it works.
That's good to know.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Of course, if I hadn't said anything, then it probably
wouldn't worked. Then we would had a problem. So I'm
glad it works. You're on the West Coast, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, I'm in Pasadena right now covering your Los Angeles Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Well they've been an interesting study obviously, And you were
there for shoe Otani's return to anim Margie where you
were with him a season ago. What was that like?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It was awesome, Craig.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
You know, to see those fans celebrate him like they
did was really a cool thing. They didn't really have
a tribute video, which I thought was interesting, but you know,
to watch him, you know, he's such a great human being,
and to see him with his former teammates and a
lot of his former coaches and interact with the fans.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And the media was really special.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
And I thought the Angels did a great job of
attacking him in the two game series. They really went
right after him, especially Griffin Canning and so. But no,
it was really a cool thing to see to be
a small part of it. Twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I thought this was I'm gonna get your thoughts on this.
I thought this was interesting too. I was flipping back
and forth between the Dodgers telecast and the Angels telecast
because I.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Like him both.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
And at one point, what was in the pregame, I
think with Wayne Randazzo and a couple of the other guys,
Mark Goubaza, to whom I am distantly related, and we
were and I was watching them talk about show Hay's
season last year and this year, and it is their contention.
(02:15):
They believe that show A had a better season last
year than he had this year, and they cited the
fact he won ten games on the mound before they
had to shut him down, and the batting averages higher,
the power numbers are very very similar. Of course, on
the other side, here's a guy that's you know, got
forty six tolen bases and is on the verge of
becoming Major League Baseball's first ever fifty to fifty guy.
(02:38):
So a case could be made either way. You were
right there to see it firsthand with show A last year.
How do you feel that his two seasons compare.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
You know, I think it's interesting. I think last year
I don't think they're wrong about that. You know, it's
interesting that in the American League West, you've got the
dominant pitching in Houston, you've got the dominant pitching in Seattle.
Texas had their great rotational World Championship rotation last year,
and when Rendon and Trout rale of the line up,
Otawney really didn't have a lot of protection so which
(03:11):
was over half the season.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So now you put him in the National.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
League with less, you know, true top of the rotation
type starters night after night in division. But but you
have a lot more protection in this lineup than you
did in LA.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So I think that there's a strong case for that
to be true.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think that I disagreed with you
it I just thought it was an interesting theory on that. Okay,
now I want to get your thoughts on these Pennant races.
And let's start off in America League East, because Oils
and Yankees have been tooth and nail, and the Yankees
just got through dropping the series in Arlington to the Rangers,
and and and while Corey Seeger's season may be done,
(03:53):
he's back on the injured list. To see to continue
to see the Rangers and all that young talent kind
of go at them and take two or three from
the Yankees, I thought was pretty impressive.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
You know, Texas has really not given up on this season.
They really haven't. They're they're working really hard. There's a
chance Kumar Rocker could be up by the by season's end.
You've seen what Jack Lyder has done in that rotation.
But the Yankees really have to figure out the closer role.
Clay Holmes, who was just spectacular of the first month
of the season, had like a one to five e r.
(04:27):
The first ten games are the first ten appearances of
the season, and then really fell off. Made the All
Star team, but really had an er and er and
like the nines after that, and he's blown nine of
his last stave attempts. They they really if they're going
to make a run deep into October, they've got to
try to figure out that closer position. And it's not
(04:48):
something that's really easy to figure out. It's it's not
something you want to try to go to by committee.
And so that's probably the most glaring need for the
Yankees right now.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Well and for the Orioles.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It's it's been really interesting to see because at times
they look like world beaters and then there are times.
And by the way, the Yankees did bounce back today.
They shut out the Cubs today three nothing. They got
to win on that. But the Orioles also have had
at times some closing issues this season, haven't they?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Really a lot of these teams have.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
It is such a difficult thing right now to find somebody.
It takes a really special guy to go out there
and get the final three outs of a game.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And when you don't get it, done.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
It takes an even more special guy to come into
the clubhouse the next day and say give me the ball, guys,
I'm gonna do it again tonight.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But we've just had so many injuries.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Across the game of baseball that it's not that that
teams don't really have the closers, it's that they've had
a hard time getting to their closers. So a lot
of teams are using their higher leverage guys at that
pivotal point of the game, whether it's the seventh, eighth
or the night when the game is on the line.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
They're using their closers earlier in the game.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
But there's just such the supply and the demand of
the people that can get those final three outs is
so minimal that clubs are having a hard time getting
to that role.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
And you've just got I.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Think what Maryfield said this week was was really really interesting,
where you've got a bunch of arms that are ninety
five to one hundred that come up and they've got
great arms, and they've got really good fastballs, but they
don't really know where the ball is going, and that's
created a real inefficiency in the market when it comes
to guys that are truly qualified to pitch in high
leverage situations, especially in October.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, and I read those comments from with Maryfield, and
you've known him ever since he was coming up, coming
out of South Carolina, and you could tell he was
not happy about it, and he said apparently a lot
of pitchers told him the same thing. I'm glad somebody
spoke up. Do you see Major League Baseball being more
punitive against clubs and or individual pitchers who maybe they're
(06:58):
not trying to hit somebody, Because always you'll hear an
announcer say, especially if it's a pitcher on the team,
that the guy's announcing hitting somebody because well, he's not
trying to hit him there. But I think I've heard
Keith Morland say this. I think I've heard you say
this before. There comes a point where you say, it
doesn't matter if you're trying to hit me, if you
(07:18):
don't have enough control and you break my hand like
it did to Mookie Bats or like Austin Riley getting hit,
or if you hit somebody in the head, you shouldn't
be out there. And so do you see major League
Baseball stepping up it's disciplinary role about such things?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Well, it's a really slippery slope when you think about
Al tuv last year in the World Baseball Classic and
what a blow that was to the Houston Astros. But
the whole pitching infrastructure in professional baseball, and we've talked
about this many times, is really off right now because
it's become so much about velocity and pitch shape and
pitch design. And then when they took the sticky stuff
(07:58):
away from pitchers Mike, for the first couple of weeks,
guys were having a hard time throwing it over the play.
And while it seemed to be somewhat of a competitive
advantage for the pitchers, I think the hitters would probably
like to have it back right now because they at
least know that the pitchers have solid feel for the baseball.
They're experimenting with the TACKI baseball at the Triple A
(08:19):
levels and the Double A levels, and I think that's
something that could probably come into play at some point,
But it's really when you're putting your very best players
in the thirteen billion dollar industry, when you're putting your
very best players at harm day in and day out,
I think it is something that you have to look at.
I don't think it's a situation where if you hit
(08:40):
a batter, if they have to leave the game, you
have to leave the game. That's a little harsh for
me because I know in today's game, with the camaraderie
that exists within Major League Baseball, nobody is intentionally trying
to hit anybody. It just doesn't exist anymore. And so
I do think they're going to have to come up
with some means. Maybe in all serious is maybe a
(09:02):
velocity limit where you know, you can't go over ninety
seven miles an hour, you got to stay in the
ninety four to ninety six mile an hour range. Something
that can give these hitters a little more protection, because
with one hundred and thirty five Tommy Johns and major
league rotations and put having to push every pitcher up
the board at that point, it's really created a supplying
(09:23):
demand issue at the major league level.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You know, at all those Tommy Johns, all of those surgeries,
how many can you confidently say or feel we're connected
to just the vlomania that has permeated Major League Baseball
pitching staffs and pitching coaches and organizations about wanting their
(09:47):
guys to throw upper nineties to low triple digits.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Craig, I don't think you can generalize with it.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I really don't. I think this is a this is
an industry epidemic. You know.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I had a son that played seven years professional baseball
and he didn't throw hard at all, and he had
Tommy John and labor surgery, and so I think, I
think this is a very embedded issue within our industry.
I think it begins at the amateur level with the
number of games that kids are playing between between the
ages of six and twelve, and then you go to
(10:19):
the bigger fields and a lot of kids have not
physically reached their their their peak physically, and and they're
having to go to bigger fields and overcompensate with their deliveries. Uh.
It's it's the it's the year round baseball. It's it's
the way they train once they get into college. It's
it's less cardio like it used to be. It's more
(10:39):
short burst, a lot of weight training, a lot of
core and and very wound tight. So I don't think
it's any one thing. I certainly don't think it's the
pitch clock. But but I think I over time and really,
uh really addresses an industry and really get back to
like the old cool guys and find out what worked
(11:01):
for them and then really try to pinpoint where this
all went wrong with the industry.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
You demonstrated earlier this year that you rub elbows with
some of Hollywood's elite, and at a Dodger game, you
were hanging out with Mary Hart and her husband, the
producer Bert Sugarman. So you're a Dodger stadium to night.
You and you and Mary and Bert hook it up
for dinner in the in the in the stadium club tonight.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
You know what, Melanie is with me tonight and we
are going to the Stadium club for dinner compliments of
Dennis Gilbert. So we were in Beverly Hills last night
at Dennis Gilbert's house having a wonderful dinner. And we're
looking forward to getting a Dodger Stadium early tonight and
having dinner. And we'll be right there centered right behind
home played during the game.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
No Dodger dogs for this guy. We're talking primary up here.
You were so bougie, you know, But that's that's great. Hey, Listen,
I have a great weekend. And and you said you
ran out of this tunnel here at Michigan. But once yeah,
about two thousand and two, Jeff's On, the former head
coach of Michigan baseball, took me over for a tour
and we were going down the tunnel and he stopped
(12:05):
me and he said, if you want to go ahead,
And I looked like Rudy going out of that tunnel,
coming out on the fifty yard line and going out
on the big m and it was really a thrill.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Of a lifetime.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
And I cannot wait to see the environment in the
atmosphere tomorrow. And I think the Longhorns are going to
roll tomorrow, So looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
All right, Thanks to you, No, enjoy the weekend, all right, guys,
take care.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
All right.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
That'steen Watson from the Chicago White Sox and a man
who rolls with the big names. So he'll be in
the stadium club tonight. They're at Dodger Stadium and he'll
be doing his job as well.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
All right.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
We have more coming up as we continue from Ann
Arbor here on Sports Radio AM thirteen under the zone
of the I Radio app.
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