114 - Civic Order

Karen and Georgia cover the Hillside Stranglers and the murder of Dana Bradley.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Welcome to my Favorite murder. That's Karen Kilgaro. That's Georgia
Hard Start. And this is the podcast that.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Tells you what it tells you.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
It tells you what kind of the worst things you
could possibly hear. Yeah, it really does. Just tell it
right into your ear hole. It just says it right
into your ear drum. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
So if you're laying in bed at night trying to
get something to fall asleep to, this is it.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
I had a dream that Tenacious D broke up?

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Why wrong? That was that of the Blue?

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Literally a picture just passed through while my eyes in
my brain, a picture.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
I must to phone and asleep in front of something
that informed my dreams. I hope they didn't. I mean,
they've written nine songs about breaking up. Yeah, maybe I
watched some a weird rerun or something. Oh you know
what I was gonna do. This is a new corner, okay,
because it's not a correction, but I did. I listened

(01:20):
to the minute last week's minisode, and in thinking about
the story of the man that was laying under the
movie theater seats, because of course, we, much like the
women had happened to, were shocked and surprised that there
was a man laying under their movie theater seats for
an entire movie. But so we were laughing and stuff.

(01:41):
But I did want to underline if that ever happens,
call the police immediately. Don't wait for movie theater employees
to call the police, don't wait for permission to call
the police. You call the police immediately, because the person
that lays under movie theater seats is only going to
do weird and more fucked up stuff afterwards. Totally. So

(02:03):
I felt bad after I heard that because we were
laughing so hard.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
They did say in it that they talked to the
manager and ultimately we called the police.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yes, but I think they were just so shocked by it,
exactly as were we. Yea and I feel called the police.
We didn't, I know. I actually on the re listen,
I called the police. I called Burbank police. I just
wanted to say that, like sometimes weird thing is, you
don't have to be touched or assaulted in any way,
that that deserved a police call.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
For sure. They should have felt one hundred percent great
doing that.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Definitely. Yeah, I just I guess, I don't know, maybe
that's too random that I wanted to underline.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
It even thinking about it, holding it in.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Now there it is. If you don't know what like
civic order a behavior violates, you can still call the police.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
If you're in a weird they'll get the book out
from the shelf, the civic order book.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
They'll pull it all.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Down and then get into their police cruiser. Sure, come
help you.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Okay, now we have to have a different corner. Okay,
that it's been asked about doing marroo.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
They're getting back together. They're getting back together.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
That's an acioucy. Oh I love to.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Sorry, Okay, we have to talk about this wild wild
country corner.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Oh fuck? Can people? Yes, we watched it everyone, guys.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Let's update a couple of things we heard about the
lady's body that was found in the wall years later. Yeah,
thank you, amazing story combined everything. We got a lot
of tweets about it, yep, all the way up to
and including this documentary that is incredibly done. Beautifully done.

(03:57):
M h, brilliantly done. Did you watch the whole thing?

Speaker 1 (04:00):
No?

Speaker 3 (04:01):
No, me neither. Can I tellshit? Can I tell you something?
You don't like it? I find it kind of boring?
Why do I hate everything? You always say that one
it's the thing I love I know. Do you think
it's because you think you need to do point counterpoint? No,
if I love it, you have to find something wrong

(04:21):
with you.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
How when did I know your opinion of it? But
because I already did it as a story. So yeah,
but I thought your story was interesting.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I do think Sheila though on Aunt Jela, I could
just listen.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
To her talk for hours. She did say one thing
that was a joke. That one she said to someone.
I was watching it last.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Night trying so hard was I watched the episode one
and Vince and I were both like, Wow, this is
so boring, and then I was someone else it's like
it gets better, So I was like, okay, jump to
episode three. So I go to episode three and it's
still boring. But she does say to someone in a
news report that you know, well, what do you say
to the people who blah blah blah? And she goes
tough titties, and I was just like, wow, that's who

(05:02):
I want to be.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I mean, she really is kind of a great villain.
I don't know, I like, I like a lady that's
just like bound and determined.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, I just want it to be about Like I
guess I don't totally understand what the cult is about.
Like all they're doing is fighting people, but without any
like not fighting for there you.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Know they were fighting for. He was really into like sex. Yeah,
there's a bunch of sex stuff. And then there was
you know, there were kind of like Buddhist concepts basically,
where it's.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Like love yourself and loved a fellow men Carrie and
ak forty seven around with you everywhere you go.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
I mean, because they started getting Yeah, I think, I mean,
you know, it's it was just a it was a cult.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Why why would any spiritual leader have was it thirty
seven rolls voices? I think thirty seven is the right number.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
But like that that was his goal and dream, and
then they made that happen for him.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
All those things. There's no logic, isn't a big no.
It's not like Heaven's Gate where they're like, here's the
thing we believe in. There's this, and there's this, and
we're going again on fucking the Haley Moop and get
the fuck out of town and are you know, like
they had like rules and things, but it was it
you know that it was out of that tradition that
that would happen all the time. Gurus would pop, right, gurus.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
This was the person to listen to. This guy was
smarter than regular people, right, everybody. That's a human trait.
We love to think there's one smarter person that should
tell us everything and we'll just do that and then
that'll be fine. Yeah, because whatever we're doing isn't working. Yeah,
and that's a great concept. That's completely fucking full of
shit because no one knows anything.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Also, some people don't look good in maroon.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Fucking take that shirt off, dude, Although there were some
insanely hot seventies guys in that documentary.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, there were some very good looking seventies people who
had left their families for your second, like the chick,
the Australian chick who was just like I was bored
and I did this and that and I'm like, I
bet her kid has so many fucking issues now, Yes,
but your mom just got bored of you in your
life in later days to fucking it was so borgan.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yes exactly. They were like, you know what, I need
to do this for me.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, it's that set, super selfish, like late seventies me generation.
Yeah yeah, where everyone is like, this is I have
to prioritize myself, right, so I'm gonna get divorced and
leave all my children behind. It's like, okay, that's why
helicopter parenting is what it is today.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Oh because all of us kids who were left for
a maroon fucking for the maroon fields of southeastern Oregon.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Now we're like, my mom did it wrong, so now
I'm going to do it.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
I'm gonna do it so right. Yeah, I am your shadow, Caleb.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
And guess what, You're gonna hate your parents anyways.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Fucking that's right. If they're not there, you hate them.
If they're always there, you hate them. It's real hard
to get that English just right on parenting.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
No, yeah, it doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Take it from us. We don't have kids.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
We did the smart thing and did neither. We parented
neither way.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
I was always like, how could I have kids when
I am merely a child? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh what was the other thing?

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Oh well, this is just incidental. Okay, But I feel
like people like a nice dentist update right always. It's
because it's really the rags to riches story of me
being so afraid to go to the dentist. And now
I can't stop going to the dentist. Every time we
talk to each other, I'm on my way to the dentist.
I love to be like, sorry, I'm stepping into the

(08:39):
dentist's office. But so it's like your agent, like, I
have to get my dentist office today.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
My high falutin dentist office.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
So again I went to visit my dentist. But I
wanted to tell people this because the reason I didn't
go for so long was because I thought that I
was phobic of the dentist. I would have panic attacks
in the dentist chair. And recently and before I started
going again, my friend Paige Hurwitz, whose parents were doctors,
told me that Lyda cane, which is the novacane that

(09:12):
they shoot into your mouth.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Like a numbing the numbing shit, the numbing shit.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
That that gets shot into your mouth if you are
allergic to it or have a sensitivity to it, your
blood pressure drops. And the blood pressure dropping is in
me the same feeling of starting a seizure or starting
a pan panic attacked shit where and I had it
in the chair and went, oh my god, this is
what she was talking about where I felt like I

(09:39):
was falling backwards even though I was already laying down,
and I was like whoa, whoa, and I like my
hand went up really weird, but he didn't notice, thank god.
But I was still wearing fucking oakly blades. So it's
not like I looked great or anything. But basically, if
you're afraid to go to the dentists or you have
panic attack type feelings, it could be because you're allergic

(10:02):
to light a kine and you can ask them to
give you something different.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Well, shit like heroin.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
You can get a heroin shot into your eye and
then you don't feel.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Anything shots in your eye for like eight hours.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
No, it's worth it. But I just like, once I
learned that, I was like, oh, this could have saved
me like six years worth of like stress about.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
The dentists, not going to the dentists, avoiding it, or
when I used to go, I would be so freaked out.
I was like couldn't stop. I would hold my breath
the whole time. Yeah, it was really weird, freaked me out.
Fuck that that's my you know what that is? That's
like a PSA. Yeah, yeah, the more you know about
your teeth glingo lingual gLing gLing ling ling the more

(10:43):
you know. Oh, well, should we talk real quick about
our announcement, our big surprise, our big surprise. We've been
sitting on this one, guys.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
We have lots of surprise, have lots of them that
we just can't talk about yet.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yes, but we have like four that are going to
blow doors once we can talk about them. Really exciting
stuff coming up in the future, everybody.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
But in the meantime, the one we can tell you
is that we are we finally have put together a
fan club of sorts that we're calling a fan cult
because fan club fan club. Yeah, so that's gonna happen soon,
and will tell you more about it in the next
couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
But it's gonna have like it's actually happening in like
ten days. Yeah, it's happening very soon. It's gonna be
very exciting. We'll tell you more next episode.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
But it's gonna be like exclusive merch that you can't
get and accessed. First access to buy tickets to the
live shows, and then like a message board and cool
shit like that.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Pictures, you know, video type stuff. We're just like some
shit we're actually getting our act together and putting a
thing together for you so that if you care to
have some next level interaction with this podcast, we're gonna
give you some stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, there's gonna be a live video feed at Karen's
dentist appointments from We're gonna get her hot dentist to
put a camera or maybe you should have the camera
on your head and it's just filming the hot dentist.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
So you can see when he goes, can you turn
your head more to the right. It's I'm constantly trying
to turn away and close my mouth, So he's constantly
trying to tell me to open my mouth more and
turn my head so that I'm not basically turning my
back on the appointment. Well, they'll know that soon.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
I may. It's exciting with Vega, and then I'll have
a live feet I'll have a forehead camera on my
forehead for when I take naps. Perfect, so you can
just see me me sitting next to me sleeping.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
I mean, right, this is show business people, this is
what you look for in entertainment.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
There's gonna be a Stephen Camp's a mustache cam on Stephen.
It's a tiny camera like in Honey, I Shrunk.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
The kids that travels through Stephen's mustag has adventures.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
That's right, it takes there's a creek, it meets new people.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
That's right. There's goblins.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yep, there's cats, teeny tiny miniature cats.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Oh, we have to talk about what the person that
drew the cartoon. When we said that, Steven's inception was
he just grew out of the carpet.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Oh my god, do you you don't have that person's
name nearby?

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Do you? I think I might. I think it's a
very talented person whose name were about to say, Hold
on to your butts. Everyone, you can get who it's
a race. Stephen and Georgia are both looking at Tilling
the girl. Fuck you, Steve. Tilling the girl still.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
And the girl made an inception like cartoon of us,
of Stephen, inception of us freaking the fuck out.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Well, Stephen grows out from the carpet. It's pretty hilarious.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
It was real good. Thank you, thanks Stilling the girl.
Also someone and I'm sorry because I'm not. I'm looking
at it at my phone and I won't race. I
won't race the way these two do. Someone made did
you see the photoshop where they put the Kate and
Kate and Leo from Titanic into a sinkle.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
It's real good.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
That's recent. Everybody's been. There's been lots of fun interaction
on Twitter lately.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, well Instagram too, Yes, yes, Instagram's also a great
social media.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Do you mind what's going on over on Instagram?

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Checking verified, which means just as that little blue check
Oh that's.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Good, yea, And that means that you can get cash
anywhere in the city.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah. No, it just means that you're better than your
because you went to high school with Oh.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Good, And do you email them and let them know that?

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Oh? It?

Speaker 2 (14:34):
It lets them. Instagram lets them know on their own.
It sends everyone went high school with a notification.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Great, and then it also sends everybody your social Security number.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Right because that's a new thing. Right, Well, you don't
need your social creating number. You're a higher being who
doesn't require government stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
You're no longer defined by that number.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
So it's like here, you can have it if you
want it now, like it's up for grabs.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
I just in my mind had to tell myself three
times not to say my own social Security number.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
I'm not isn't it like standing at the edge of
a cliff and being like, don't you're not don't fall.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Forward, don't fall forward, do not do it.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Don't blurt out your social Security number right now?

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Like we're going live, I know, right the live show?
That would be Actually, do you think we could do
that one day? Steve? What go live?

Speaker 1 (15:19):
You're crazy?

Speaker 3 (15:20):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
I mean we could do like a Facebook live or
even through the new fan page, probably live that wasn't fake.
I swear to god, I think that would be hilarious.
Then also on the fan cult, there's going to be
a Facebook live We're.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Gonna do once a week. Shut the fuck up. No,
we're not.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
We're gonna come to you every morning.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
I went five am.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Stephen, can you edit this part just so we have
it so we can play it to Karen every time.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
She's like, the fuck fade this decision to do this
when I'm laying on my couch like I'm not coming
to that.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
George's like, no, no, no, it's all your idea, yours.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
You did that.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
You you did this.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
You took the hamra out of Stephen the Moss and
put it directly on us live that's what she wanted.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Come on, everybody.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
I do think it would be cool if we could
have a hotline. A hot line, jesus, we're just adding
someone just pick up a phone every once in a
while and there's maybe there's somebody there, like let's.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Go to I feel like we could do like one.
We could do a live hometown read episode or to
put up on the van page.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
You mean like I grabbed this microphone and run downstairs
to find somebody on the street.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
No, I'm man on the street. You know. We just
read from a page live where on the face on
the camera.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
I'm gonna get this together and I'm gonna make it.
It may makes sense. I'm gonna bring it to me
and make me see it with you.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
I see it here. I just don't have the hair.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Someone said they wanted to play Words with Friends with me,
and I said that I think that that they were
being mean because you.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Just want to feel I was attacked. That was an attack.
You know you're going to win.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
You took them asking to play a game with you
as an insult.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yes, yes, I can't. Even when I I I used
to play Yachtzi with friends or with buddies. But I
hated the idea everyone while to play with a person
I didn't know, just whoever was on there, and it
creeped me out so much. Stranger, I don't like that idea.

(17:30):
It's creepy.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
You're not supposed to talk to strangers, especially with the
Yatzi words. No spelling your words with the Yazi. No,
don't yatti with strangers. Don't yachts with strangers. No, what
was that supposed to be? Don't talk to strangers, don't
yachts to strangers.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, you know what I mean. Don't take it out,
do not. This is why we don't go live, guys.
This is Steven. This is going to be the one
you don't have to edit. Yeah, watch this, watch this.
Here we go we start practicing. Yeah, no more edits. Yeah,
I can't even imagine. Shit.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Well, we do it live at live shows all the time,
that is true, and we just knock those out of
the park every single time. Oh when there's a baby
in the audience, Oh my god, you guys, there was
a baby.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
In the audience at the LA show. It was a
noise that we heard. We stopped, we looked around.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
It was like you, it was like me, I think
that was like I think we both the same time
kind of went is that all?

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Is that a baby? And then just someone raised a
baby up over their head lion king style, totally.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Lion king style, and it was just this cute little
oops that just hitting me in the face. Oh, I'm
just on uh, lion king style, and this baby was
just staring at us, and you and I just both
lost our minds trying to get the baby to smile
at us in the most obnoxious way in front of
twenty seven hundred people.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
You'll hear it. And then the baby was billy love. Yeah,
it was quiet the rest of the time, chilled out,
chilled out.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
That was a chill baby. But it was weird and
crazy and creepy. Is you know say the F word
in front of that?

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Probably I would.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Guess eight month old baby. Yeah, Oh, guys, this is
stuff that's happened to us that you weren't there for.
That's the word.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
That's a new corner called you weren't there? Who goes first?

Speaker 3 (19:16):
This week? Kararon kill Garreff. Also, the Alienist is now over,
and I would just like to say to everybody involved,
great fucking job. I watched every episode twice.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Nice That means George, I thought it was boring.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
No, but I can't.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
I'm gonna I'm gonna binge watch it when I'm gonna
make myself sick and I'm gonna binge watch it.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Do it on because outfits are amazing.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
I want to be able to talk to you about it.
God damn it you okay, I won't stop talking to
you because of this. Dakota Fanning rules it the whole
idea of it.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
At one point in the last episode, she walked up
to tell the police chief something. She's like the first person,
the first woman to work in the New York apartment.
I don't think it's based on a true real person,
although I could be wrong. But she walks up and
she is wearing like cool lots. It looks like it's
supposed to be pants, it's supposed to be like a

(20:11):
long dress, but then you see that it's actually pants.
It's the coolest thing. That's very subtle, And I was like,
that fucking costume department nailed it hard.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
I'd be a fun costume department to work in. Probably
so many vests, so many best highest shoulders, you've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Insane shoulders who so much crazy like it was a
fascinating Yeah, well of us. We'll watch it and then
we'll talk to you.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
About it, and then we'll all gather up.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
We'll meet back here live. We'll do all special. It'll
be great meet us live here. Yeah, we're doing this.
So we're going fully Regis and Kelly on this. I
swear to done.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
I'm in.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
I mean, it's going to be a disaster, but I
love a disaster. Listen, Betty White started her career by
doing morning television in LA.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
And they used to do morning television for five hours
holy shit.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
So they'd go on the air whatever at six am
and then go off the air at like and whatever
plus somewhere around two. I don't know. I don't know.
That's all. That's what you get with live live shit.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
So this is all you Now.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
It's interesting that you started talking about the LA Live
show because and hopefully well, I made a mistake at
the live show in Los Angeles, as we talked about,
I was nervous, but I had planned up until right
before that I was going to do the Hillside Stranglers. Yeah,

(21:44):
and made a mistake and then I changed my mind
because I was like, it's so awful, awful and dense.
The details is very dense, the details whatever. So I
switched it, talked about an awesome woman. Uh, you'll hear money,
do it whatever. But I actually told the audience I

(22:04):
was going to do it and change my mind. Why
I would do that, I have no That's like one
of the great rules of performance.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
You don't tell people what you're not gonna fucking do
and give them the opportunity to be like, oh I
wish you had done.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
I told them you weren't going to do the Hillside Strangler,
and then instead you're gonna do some women that they
had never heard of.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
And it was just like the baby was like I'm
the I'm out of here. The baby is like I
paid good fucking money, yeah to be alive. I mean
I was talking about like the first city editor of
a newspaper was great, and now I'm getting defense. Uh. Anyway,

(22:45):
I took all my research and now I'm doing the
Hillside string Yeah. How come neither of us have done it?
It's crazy. It's you know what I think these ones
that this is one of those ones the cops didn't
pay attention because the first three victims were sex workers
and runaways. It's that thing that happens in all of

(23:07):
the common denominator in these stories is people making a
snap judgment on the value of a woman's life and
then deciding whether or not they deserve to have their
murder prosecuted. It's like so frustrating, it feels so layered
and shitty, but we go, and that's what you tuned

(23:27):
in for. Hi, everybody, So this from October nineteen seventy
seven to February nineteen seventy eight, the city of Los
Angeles and most of southern California was paralyzed with fear.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Women were being murdered and brazenly.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
I wrote that dumped in the hills of Los Angeles
many times.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
In full view.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Now that's the thing I didn't really understand until I
started looking at pictures and researching for the show, that
I didn't do it at truly, Like it was this
display and it is so fucking creepy and crazy, and
oftentimes in the later especially in the later ones, they
would be dumped in the middle of like a neighborhood.

(24:07):
So like one one of the victims, the guy walked
outside of his house and sees a dead teenage girl
naked and splayed out, and he went and threw a
tarp over her because he's like, the kids are going
to get come be leaving for school and come and
see this.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
So they destroy evidence, but it's it's for it's for
the good of well, I mean just because it's like,
what the fuck is going on? And like this is
it's so extreme.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
And so and this was in the late seventies, and
we've talked about those other murders, like the freeway killers.
Remember when there was it was either two or three
freeway killers at the same time. Yeah, like just so much, yes, yeah,
and so then this this started happening. Geez. So uh

(24:54):
their bodies were found. I don't know why I wrote
this like synopsis paragraph. I probably spent a long time
on it too. So basically, when we're talking about the
Hillside stranglers, at first they the media was calling them
the Hillside Strangler because they assumed it was one murderer,
but secretly the cops knew it was two because they
were seeing where these bodies were placed, and they knew

(25:17):
that one man couldn't be lifting, caring, or placing these
bodies where they ended up, but they didn't release that
to the media because they.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Knew that that would help them later on.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
But when they did find out who it was, it
was a couple of cousins named Angelo Buono and Kenneth Bianchi,
two of the worst people that have ever existed.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Absolutely just simply that trash people.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Well, and I remember a while ago were starting to
read the true crime book about the Hillside Stranglers, and
the details with which they described what happened to these
girls and women and in Angela Buono's house slash upholstery
fucking shop are so upsetting and insane and extreme.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
I stopped reading the books. There's there's sadists. Yes, it's torture.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
It's they tortured all of them, and they and Angela
Buono especially, he is like the son of fucking Satan.
And Anne could.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
I couldn't think of a bad woman bad enough, bad
enough it works.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
I think it works. He he was and okay, so
he's born in nineteen October fifth, nineteen thirty four. He
was obsessed with sex from a young age, and he
there was problems from the beginning. He obviously had a
lifelong hatred of women. He had a criminal record by

(26:53):
the time he was a teenager for a sexual assault,
doing things like pulling down a girl's underwear, bragging that
he had raped women when he or girls when he
was fourteen, like he was.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
He was fucked up.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
When he was seventeen, he married his high school sweetheart.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
He had his high school sweetheart. Yeah, how is that
the words sweetheart? Yeah, it doesn't really. How about just
the woman who's the girl who stuck around him?

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Well, the girl that got like it's almost like you
know when Ricky Ticky tavy, when the snake goes up
and then you're hypnotized by the eyes. I think that's
what it is. It's that thing where you're like, oh
my god, this worthy Italian is paying so much attention
to me. Oh he just hit me in the face.
Oh wait, now he's sorry. He wants to marry me. Yo, yep,
I would love.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
To get married. The magazines say I should yeah, uh okay.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
So he basically he abandons his high school sweetheart after
uh and and her and their unborn child her. Once
he finds out, he knocks her up, yes, exactly. Then
he marries a woman named Mary Castillo again domestic violence issues.
Then not until he rapes their two year old daughter

(28:11):
does she leave him? And then she goes back to
him after that?

Speaker 1 (28:14):
What the fuck?

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Then at once she eventually finds herself he's he handcuffs
her and holds your gun point and then she finally
leaves him.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
But it's like, that's why I couldn't read the book.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
I was just like, this is who are these fucking people?
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Why doesn't a big truck ever hit that guy?

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Seriously?

Speaker 1 (28:36):
I mean it probably has, Like I bet there's a
lot of people who have died that Like were those people?

Speaker 3 (28:41):
That's super deserved it. Yeah, it's like the end of
The Lovely Bones when the killer don't.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Don't don't right, You're right. Read The Lovely Bones, though,
it's fucking incredible. It's such a good books, such.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
An incredible book.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
It's such a good book and not a bad movie.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Oh oh yeah, that's a good movie. Okay, So uh
so a two year old it's so filthy and like
and he's just pathological crave.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, so of course he becomes a car upholster or
nineteen seventy four, what else are you gonna do with
the fucking stupid it is. I mean, think about that too.
When you have to be an upholster, it's all that like.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Punching and ripping. Wait doesn't Tom. Tom Sibley's hometown was
also a person that remember it was the guy that
the patio furniture and like the weird tools and stuff.
That was like a way and way back episodes. Yeah,
the guy, the guy killed his mother. That was a
crazy story back finding me of the same.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Careful of apholsterers, sorry, the upholsterer, the murdering upholsterers right
now are fucking they're.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Crying, They're fucking calling nine.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
To one one. This is not a this, this is
not a thing to call. Nimon No, please just email Stephen.
He loves to hear from you. Okay. So that's Angela Buono.
He's the older cousin. He's definitely the cult leader in
this two man cult of fucking terror. Hate his guts.

(30:06):
He's really disgusting, Okay. And when he has like when
he when he looks like an old fashioned you know,
Brooklyn Grosser in some of his pictures, but then he
grows this fucking handlebar mustache and he it's satanic. He
looks like the most evil person on the planet. Like
this is he the tall skinny one, No, he's skinny,

(30:27):
but he's smaller. Okay, Bianki kem Bianki. The younger cousin
was the taller one. Okay, okay. And he was born
May twenty second, nineteen fifty one. He's seventeen years younger.
He's definitely like a sad Sack follower. Yeah. So he
was abandoned by his mother, who was a sex worker
and an alcoholic. He gets adopted by the Bianchi family.

(30:50):
He's troubled all his childhood, bed wetter until he was
a teenagero, So a violent tempers, compulsive liar, and of
course because he fell off a jungle gym when he
was six, it is leaving him with this head injury
frontal lobe damage and they think that had that basically

(31:14):
affected his personality. So that's quite the combination, is you're
the sadist older cousin and then the kind of like
maybe could have been fine, but.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Then that influence, yeah, definitely was not. And it's like
influence but also just the perfect opportunity. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
There's nothing like that thing where like someone gets an
idea and you know you shouldn't do it, but if
they're into it, you're like, well then fine. I mean
it's that weird, like, look, I've got this older cousin
that just loves to be the devil. Okay, so he was.
He wasn't that smart, easy to influence, and he had

(31:58):
he'd already had a failed marriage. He tried to go
to college. He wanted to study psychology. He drops out
after a semester.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
No shame in that, buddy, Hey, I've been there, They're
done it. He also was obsessed.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
With being a cop ooh yeah, but he was rejected
because of the psych tests. Oh failed psych tests. And
he had a girlfriend named Kelly Boyd. So he basically
in nineteen seventy six, he in the beginning of nineteen
seventy six, he moves from Rochester, New York, to la
to go live with his older cousin Angelo. They don't

(32:35):
have a lot of money, so they get the idea
that they're going to become pimps. And the way they're
going to do that is they're going to go out
and they're going to kidnap a couple of runaways and
basically make them be sex workers for them. So they
do that, they actually find two teenage girls. One's named

(32:55):
Sabra Hannon and one's named Becky Spears, and they take
him back to Angela's apartment and they're like, this is
what you have to do now. They're being pimped by
those two. And Becky meets a lawyer and she tells
him what's happening. She tells him the situation and he
helps her escape, get out of the city, and when

(33:15):
she goes, then Sabra then has the guts to then
run away herself, so they get away.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
So they then impersonate police officers and kidnap another runaway.
They put her in the girl's bedroom. They set it
up to have her be their next sex worker, and
they buy a trick list from a sex worker named

(33:47):
Deborah Noble. So this is basically a bunch of dudes'
names who frequent sex workers so that they can get
a hold of people directly and basically start their own
pimping empire. Fucked up time man, Yes.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Super gross. No, well, now here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
They So Deborah and her friend Yolanda Washington go deliver
that trick list to Angelo's apartment in October of nineteen
seventy seven. But when they go to use it they
find out it's fake. Uh oh, so they get furious.
Of course, they get into their car. They go try
to find Deborah Noble and they can't find her. But

(34:26):
then they remember as they're driving around to find her
that when they were talking to Yolanda, that Yolanda told
them that sometimes she works because she was also a
sex worker. She works on Sunset Boulevard. So they go
down there to find her, and they do find her.
The next night, October eighteenth, nineteen seventy seven, the body
of Yolanda Washington is found on a hillside in Forest

(34:49):
Lawn Cemetery. What that's like right there?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Uh huh, it's yeah close by.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Also, she's naked, she's posed in a grotesque lewed position,
and she's got literature mark, strangulation mark, ligature marks on
her wrists, strangulation marks. She had been strangled with like uh,
rope around her neck, and they determined she was raped.
She was a twenty year old woman. But when they

(35:17):
call it, when the police arrive, one of the detectives
on the case is Detective Frank Sillero.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Oh shit, and Frank We've talked about Frank Sillero a
lot he went on after this case.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
So he worked this case and uh, and then when
it was over, uh and what six years later whenever,
when the nightstalker case started. He also he took what
he learned and from the mistakes that they made on
the Hillside strangler case and it helped him catch the

(35:49):
night stalker. He also was.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Assigned to the Natalie Wood drowning. Oh shit.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
And there's a lot of controversy about obviously I know
about that, about how the that report came through and
how it was like it was found to be a
drowning and nothing suspicious and all that. It's really interesting.
He's like, it's the timing of him being a detective
on LAPD is so crazy.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Y is he like in the center of everything.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
So so two weeks later, November first, nineteen seventy seven,
around six in the morning, a homeowner in La Crescenta.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
This is what I was talking about. And La Crecenta
is twelve miles north of Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Don't you live there? Oh shit? Sorry, I hit seems
like a minon New Stephen. Do you want to say
where you live?

Speaker 1 (36:39):
I live South Pasadena.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Oh, okay, have you ever thought of moving to la
I mean, I want to hear about it. Though it's great.
It's a little kind of upper middle class neighborhood. It's
nestled right into those foothills. The are they foothills or
are they regular hills?

Speaker 1 (37:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Okay. So two weeks later, on November first, nineteen seventy seven,
around six in the morning, a homeowner in Locker Senna,
walks outside of his house and sees the dead body
of a fifteen year old girl laying on the hillside
across the street from his home. So he goes and
covers her body with a tarp because all these kids are.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
About to leave their house to go to school.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
And soon they identify the victim as fifteen year old
Judy Miller. She was a runaway sometimes sex worker in Hollywood.
And she also has ligature marks on her wrists, her neck,
and her ankles, and so now they know that she's bound,
and she was murdered somewhere else and bound somewhere else

(37:50):
and then dumped.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
In this second location. And this is detectives Lerno.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
When he is looking at Judy's body, he notices a
piece of light colored flow on her eyelid, and he
pulls it and saves it for evidence later. And this was,
like I think before, like really intense forensic testing, but
he was like, this must be a clue, and that
kind of detective work that he did on this is

(38:14):
the reason they eventually were able to make the case
once they found them. Judy was last seen alive October
thirty first, nineteen seventy seven. She was talking to a
man in a large two tone Sedan on Sunset Boulevard. Eventually,
what everyone finds out is that's the car that Angelo
and can Bianc used to drive around in, oftentimes telling

(38:35):
people they were undercover cops or detectives, and they would
basically go drive up and down the strip and arrest girls,
saying they're bringing them in for solicitation. Oh my god,
handcuff them, get them into the back of the car,
and then kidnap them and take them to Angela's house. Ew. Yeah,

(38:55):
So they of course he's they're getting these people that
they they're going willingly because they think they're in trouble. Yeah.
So they tell Judy that she's being a rest of
her solicitation. They take her back to the upholstery shop.
She's raped, tortured, sodomized, and strangled. Five days later, on

(39:16):
November sixth, nineteen seventy seven, another naked body with the
same ligature marks is found on Chevy Chase Drive near
a country club in Glendale. Oh my god, I think
I know that. I think I know that country club.
It's on that weird urn.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Chevy Chase and what Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
It's like in Glendale. Yeah, I mean, I don't know
exactly where. So the night before Alisa Caston is she's
a twenty one year old waitress at Healthfare restaurant on
Hollywood and Vine. She leaves work at nine, she's driving home.
She gets pulled over by two plain clothes police officers.
No such thing, guys, right. They handcuff her, tell her

(39:58):
that she needs to be taken in for question, and
then the next morning, her naked body is found and
there's evidence of rape. But she's found on the other
side of a tall guardrail, and that's when police first observe.
They're like, there's no way one guy because she based
on like the size of her body, They're like, one

(40:18):
person couldn't have just like lifted this over easily, and
that's when they were like pretty sure that it was
a two man killing team. Wow. So the next thing
that happened, which is fascinating, twenty four four year old
Catherine Laurie Baker, who is the daughter of character actor

(40:38):
Peter Lorie. Oh my god, with the big eyes.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah, and the movie M.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
If you've never seen the movie M, it's really amazing,
and he plays a serial killer in it. It's a
great fucking old movie. And he's a really famous character actor.
Like there's a bunch of old like those old Bugs
Bunny cartoons that would have remember when they would do
episodes where they would be caricatures like old famous people.
So it's like Clark Gable and Lauren Bacall. Peter Laurie

(41:03):
is in those cartoons. He's the guy with the really
big eyes. They kind of was like, oh, he always anyway,
love him. So they fucking try to pull the word
fake cops, show us your idea, you're arrested scam on
Catherine Laurie Baker. But when she pulls out her id
like she's looking for her wallet, they see a picture
of her sitting on Peter Laurie's lap. They see that

(41:26):
she her name is Katherine Laurie Baker. She says, yeah,
that's my dad, and they let her go. The big
fans Peter Laurie fuck up.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
And later on she was interviewed and she told the
interviewer that when she was talking to them, she was
not they were. There was nothing about them that was scary.
She said, it was a casual conversation that she got
no bad vibes off of them whatsoever, which creeped me
out really bad when I read that. The next on
November tenth, they find another body in Franklin Canyon, north

(41:58):
of Beverly Hills. It's she's identified as Jill Barcom. She's
a nineteen year old. She had just moved to la
from New York City. She had been a sex worker
in New York City, but she'd moved to Hollywood and
her body showed the same ligature and strangulation marks. She

(42:18):
had also been raped. And this is when police are
now are sure that they have a serial killer. So
that was November tenth. Eight days later, on November eighteenth,
the body of a high school student is found on
Pico Boulevard. It's eventually identified as seventeen year old Kathleen Robinson,
who went to high school. She lived with her mom
in Hollywood, and she had last been seen the day

(42:41):
before at the beach. Then this one's so fucked. I mean,
they're all terrible. But on November twentieth, nineteen seventy seven,
a nine year old boy finds the bodies of two
girls in a trash heap on a hillside near Dodger Stadium.
Oh my god, that's so horrible. Year old Dolly Sapada

(43:02):
and fourteen year old Sonya Johnson a week before. They
had last seen been seen a week before, getting off
a bus on York Boulevard at Avenue forty six, which
I think is writing agra rak.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
They had walked up to a two tone sedan that
had two men sitting inside of it. And the bodies
when they were found had been a week later, so
they had decomposed, but they could the police could still
tell that they had been strangled and raped. On the
same day that those bodies were found, hikers on a

(43:39):
hillside between Glendale and Eagle Rock find a naked body
of a dead woman who's identified as twenty year old
Christina Weckler. She's a quiet honor student at the Art
Center College of Design. She also has ligature marks on
her wrists, neck, and ankles, but unlike the other victor,

(44:00):
the police notice she has two puncture marks in her
arm that they later find out she had been injected
with wind decks while she was being tortured by them
at some point. What the fuck? And they would also
come to learn that Christina was Kenneth Bianki's neighbor. Oh no, okay.

(44:21):
So then three days after Christina's body is found, a
body is discovered near the Los Felis off ramp of
the one on one.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
So there's pictures of uh, the five, the five, Sorry,
the five, What the fuck?

Speaker 3 (44:41):
That's the I've seen that picture.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
It's and it's like, right, it's right there. I mean,
if you were driving by, you would have seen it
driving by.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
It's so crazy and awful. And I mean, Jesus's I
drive on that freeway. I never am not all that free.
I spend all my time on that freeway. So the
severity of the decomposition of that body prevented authorities from
being able to tell if she had been raped or tortured.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
So okay, so they put her out and she was
in dcomp already because someone would have seen it earlier.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
No, they she had been missing, but they found the
body there. So there with the picture. From what I
remember the picture I saw, there's like a bunch of
ivy and shrubs, so I think she was underneath that,
but just enough so that just people didn't see it.
It's sadly.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
You can look up all these crime scene photos.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
They're very upsetting, and there's a ton of them because
it was there, like the police crime scene photos are
on the internet.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
And it's also strange because they all look the same.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
It's like a bunch of men in suits standing around
and a little body and little naked body kind of
in the distance. It's just insane. So it turned out
that this was the body of twenty eight year old
Evelyn Jane King. She'd been missing since November ninth, so
she had been gone for like two weeks. Over two weeks.

(46:09):
So this is when they start the task force for
the Hillside Strangler singular. So it's thirty LAPD officers, the
Sheriff's Department, and the Glendale Police Department all coming together
to catch this killer. But still the police don't reveal
that they know it's two men. Yeah, they let everybody
call it the hillside.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Shouldn't they tell people that so that, you know, women
can be a little more you know, I.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Bet today maybe they would have and they but I
bet you they were trying to do. They were trying
to like be prepared for when I know they're caught
and nobody could get anything and get out of it,
pick something else.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
I mean, yeah maybe, because well it's just the thing.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
The thing to me that's so disturbing is that thing
of impersonating a policeman having two of them, which is
what that's actually much more believable totally for people impersonating
policeman totally.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
It's it's it's it kind of put it shouldn't, but
it puts you a little more at ease that there's
two people there, yes, you know, even if they're like
for whatever reason, not even just for fake cops just right.
But the fake cop thing pisses me off so much.
It's so unfair that in the when when someone accidentally
like rear ends you quote unquote accidentally and then you

(47:24):
have to get out of your car and yeah, those
are such fucking dirty tricks.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
I hate it so much. It's really awful.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
And also it's just such a strange thing to think.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Back then there were only payphones, so like if you
had a fucking emergency, if somebody rear ended you. It
was raining to the middle of the night, You're in
your car and then some dude walks up and like, knock, knock, knock,
get out of the car.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
You couldn't even go hold on a second, let me
just make sure the cops come here first. There was
nothing you could do.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
That's seen in Zodiac when yeah, when he puts her
fucking tire back on or over and then she starts
driving and the tire comes off.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
I've watched Zodiac probably ten times. I skip that scene
because it's just so excess It's the best scene in
the movie.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Whoever it is does such a great realistic job of like,
wo'd you fucking do?

Speaker 3 (48:09):
She had a baby with her Yeah, okay, so less
than a week later. So also you have to think
about this too. These things are just keep happening. No,
it's so quick, it's so quick, it's so intense. These
guys are like, you know, they're berserking. Yeah, it's that
I think they call it. They say it that on
last podcast on Left. It's like they're gone into berserker

(48:30):
mode totally. And I have listened to this one on
last podcast on Left. I just it's been a really
long time since I've heard it, so I'm not copying you, guys, Marcus.
Less than a week later, in November twenty ninth, nineteen
seventy seven, another body of an eighteen year old girl
is found. Her name's Lauren Wagner. She was a business student.

(48:51):
She lived with her parents in the Hills in Mount Washington.
She had ligature marks on her neck, anklesoon wrists. She
also had burned on her hand. The police knew immediately
she'd been tortured, and then morning after her body was found,
her parents found her car parked across the street from
their house.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
With the door ajar.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
So they go knocking on the neighbor's doors to find
out if anybody saw anything, and the woman who lived
in the house where the car was parked told them
that she had seen Lauren's abduction. So she says that
she saw two men. One was tall and young, the
other was older and short with bushy hair, and she

(49:32):
had heard Lauren cry out, you won't get away.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
With this, and she didn't call the police. I guess not.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Yeah, that's right. I mean that's the other thing too.
Where then easy to say in retrospect, but you'd always
want to be like, even if you're not sure to call.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
The police, but what could you not be sure about?

Speaker 3 (49:53):
Well, because it could be teenagers, like this is the seventies,
there's like it could be teenagers smoking pot and fighting
and joking.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
It could be a girl fighting with her boyfriend.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Like, it's just such a people were I think, much
more disconnected and like unsure. Nobody was thinking although it
is pretty far into this fucking series, sure that you
don't just go, hey, since this city wide fucking panic
is happening, Okay, but sorry, I'm sure that lady is
racked with that's that's a life wrecker by itself.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, okay, to witness shame her, no please God.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
So then December fourteenth, nineteen seventy seven, so like two
weeks later, basically, the body of seventeen year old Kimberly
Martin is found in a deserted parking lot near a
city hall downtown. The body's naked shows signs of torture.
The police discovered Kimberly was the sex worker who had

(50:52):
recently signed up with an escort agency so she wouldn't
be getting John's off the street because of the Hillside strangle.
Oh honey, And they called her.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Agency and she was the woman dispatched just like they
called the agency. The cousins called the agency and what
the fuck and got her and then tortured her and
killed her. Oh man, what I can only like picture
her being like, fuck man, She's.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
She's being careful. She's like actually is aware and taking
measures to do something about it. They when they go
to the apartment that she had been dispatched to the address,
it's empty.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
It had been broken into.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
The final victim was found in Los Angeles on February seventeenth,
nineteen seventy eight. So it basically basically a two months
that's its rest period. Yeah, okay, two months, that's as
long as it's been so far. A helicopter pilot spots
and abandoned orange dots in on the Angelus Crest Highway

(51:59):
and when they go, so police go and investigate the
body of twenty three year old Cindy Hudsmith, a part
time waitress and student, is found in the trunk. She
has the ligature marks, she's been raped and tortured, and
then her body was stuffed in the trunk of the car,
and then the car was pushed off the bliff. And
she was also a neighbor of Christina Weckler, an earlier victim,

(52:22):
and therefore a neighbor of kenn Bianki. But nobody actually
looked into that any further, and pretty soon after the
Hillside Strangler task Force was disbanded, I know, because they
thought it was slowing down or stopping and I'm sure
financially that's always the thing they say. And around the
same time February nineteen seventy eight, Kelly Boyd, who is

(52:45):
the girlfriend of Kenneth Bianki. The two of them have
a son, and by they have a son in February,
and by March she's like, I'm leaving you. I'm going
to move back in with my parents up in Washington State.
I don't like like you're going out all the time
and you're never here. You don't help me, and so

(53:05):
I'm leaving you. And he tries to get back together
with her, and she basically says after three months, she's like, fine,
but you have to move up here with me. Kenneth
Bianki moves to Bellingham, Washington, and basically thinks he's going
to like put all that behind him and start a
new life. He gets a job as a security guard,

(53:27):
he earnso the trust of his employers. He's trying to
be a family man, and it's still he it doesn't work,
so he has the murderous urges. Still he basically lures.
On January eleventh, nineteen seventy nine, so he's, you know,
been up there for like less than a year. He

(53:47):
lures two women, twenty two year old Karen Mandeck and
twenty seven year old Diane Wilder, to an empty house
under the guise of giving them jobs as house sitters,
and he rapes and murders both of them. Oh my god,
and then he fucking goes home that night. His girlfriend
Kelly later.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Says it was like it was just a regular night.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
He came home, he asked me about the baby, we
watched television, and we called it a night. What the fuck?
But he was so clearly Angela was the brains of
the A team. Because Kenneth Bianki was arrested for these
two murders the next day, it was like they trecked. Yeah,
directly back to him immediately. So when he's arrested, and

(54:29):
this is kind of the famous thing about Kenneth Bianki,
and you can see all of these interview tapes online
and it is so fucking ridiculously stupid. He tries to
plead insanity, and he tries to claim that he has
dissociative identity disorder and a multiple personalities basically and so
and that it wasn't him that committed those murders, it

(54:51):
was his other personality. So basically he gets interviewed by
a psychologist and then displayed it these personalities. The first
personality is Ken, He's the nice guy. And then eventually
Steve comes out and stevens Steven is the murderer. He
puts on a big fake mustache we already had. He

(55:13):
actually already had a very Stephen like mustache. Shit, I'm
just saying something to consider Stephen. So a bunch of
psychologists watch these tapes, a famous one named doctor Martin Orn.
They watch these tapes and they're just like he's one
hundred percent faking, Like there's there's no question.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
So he agreed, he admits he's faking.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
He agrees to plead guilty and testify against Angelo in
exchange for a more lenient sentence. They do not give
him a mourning, So like, you're gonna do all that
and then you'll get what you're geting.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Yeah, this is his confession is.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
They bring him back to la and thus begins a
trial that lasts five years. Holy, one of the longest
in history. Wow. Need to be on that jury, right,
I mean, so four hundred and fifty witnesses, two years
worth of testimony along god Angelo Buono's trial ended in

(56:11):
nineteen eighty three. The presiding judge, Ronald M. George said
this to him, I would not have the slightest reluctance
to impose the death penalty in this case, were within
my power to do so. Ironically, although these two defendants
utilized almost every form of legalized execution against their victims,
the defendants have escaped any form of capital punishment, but

(56:34):
the jury brought back multiple life sentences because they didn't
want them to escape by just being killed. They wanted
them to go to jail and suffer. Oh wow, Yeah,
Kenneth Bianchi was given two life sentences and he's still
serving them out. I was going to say one of
them out, both of them out in the Washington State Penitentiary.

(56:55):
Angelo Buono died of a heart attack in two thousand
and two. He was I believe they gave him nine
back to back life sentences. And this is just an
interesting tidbit. While kind of Pianki was in jail in
nineteen eighty, he started a relationship with a woman named
Veronica Compton. She was later convicted and imprisoned for attempting

(57:15):
to strangle a woman she had lured to a hotel.
In an effort to convince authorities that the Hillside Strangler
was still on the loose. Bianci had given her semen
that she smuggled out of jail to plant at this scene.
Whose semen to make it look like somebody else's right,

(57:37):
to make it look like it was the work of
the Hillside Strangler. Oh my god. And so she tried
to kill somebody to prove for her jail bird boyfriend
a psychopath.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Yeah, and so what happened? They got caught, she was
convicted of doing Did she kill someone or did then
she was in prison?

Speaker 3 (57:58):
No?

Speaker 1 (57:58):
No attempted attempted? Okay, yeah, no, she got caught.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
What the fuck I mean? There's that I already I
thought went on so long, but like I have barely
scratched the surface of the crazy fucking shit. You definitely,
if you want to hear the good stuff, I one
hundred percent recommend that you listen to last podcast on
the left series of The Hillside Strangers.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Guys, please make good choices, Just make the basics of
good choices in life, like like don't pull over for
the police.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
No, like don't let don't date a dude who's a
murderer in prison and then don't take a cup of
semen from him and try to murder someone and plant it.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Don't do that. It don't If somebody can't make good plans,
that's not even like a good three step plan of
like we're gonna do this, it's going to have this
definite effect. Yeah, like every there's so many variables in
that plan alone. Yeah. And also, why would you unless
you're you're just a killer in waiting?

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Yeah, why would you agree to kill somebody just to
try to get your boyfriend out of jail?

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Totally?

Speaker 1 (59:03):
I mean, I guess you love him so much.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
No, no, no, no, he's not even your.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
High school sweetheart.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
He's not your real sweetheart.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
If he's asking you to murder, he's not your sweetheart.
He's disqualified from the sweetheart.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Yeah, don't fall for it. Call one one one of
the sloppier presentations I've ever given. It was great. What
are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Just because there's so much I know detail in it?

Speaker 3 (59:29):
You can do part two? Nah.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Nah, I've done what I can.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Thank you. That was great.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Thank you, Thank you for informing me.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
It's my pleasure, it's what I like to do.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
This is a sadly typical story that has some crazy
twists in it, Okay, that I had never heard about
until I read one of our hometown murders.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Wow. Yeah, And then I was like, well, that's fucking weird.
So this is this.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Story of the murder of Dana Bradley.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
So Saint John's is the capital and largest city in Newfoundland, Canada,
and it has the lowest homicide rate in Canada.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Well, yeah, I was gonna First of all, I was
laughing because I was like, what if you just.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Pronounced that wrong in Newfoundland?

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
I thought Newfoundland?

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
What if I think it's Newfoundland?

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I think I think it is No, no, no, no. I
was laughing because I don't, I know, mispronounce that. But
my friend, so I have two friends, sorry, my friend
Paul Greenberg his wife Jackie are from Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
And Jackie used to make these jokes.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
She used to she's hilarious, and she used to do
impressions of they call them new Fees and it's people
from Newfoundland.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
And she'd always go, oh no, I burned my face
in a chip fire.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
And apparently that's a real thing that happens, and not
just in Newfouland, but I think around Canada a chip fire,
you make chips, you make French fries at how at
your house after you've been drinking all night in a
bar so really drunk people go home, deep fry French fries, pass.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Out and light their household.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Oh my god. Very common thing apparently to Newfoundland specifically.
But let's not pin that on them entirely. But that's
how I'm familiar with me. Let us know Newfoudland.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
I have no point of reference, and that is now
my point of reference, and I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
It's all I have. So now it's all you have.
I'm going with this. Wait, okay until we hear from
everybody from there exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Let us know and you will, okay. So here we
are in Saint John's. It's December fourteenth, nineteen eighty one.
Fourteen year old Dana Bradley. She's like a typical grade nine,
grade nine, grade nine student. She's pretty good, friend, friendly,
full of life, she loves this art. She's just a

(01:01:54):
normal girl. She leaves her home, her friend's home. She'd
been hanging out there after school and she was headed
home for her mom's birthday party, I know. And she
goes towards the bus stop, which is a few minutes
away from her friend's house. It's on Top Sail Road.
It's one of the busier roads in town, and she

(01:02:14):
was going to take the bus home. But it's possible
she either missed the bus or just didn't feel like
waiting for it. Because so two brothers who were taking
a break from selling Christmas trees on their road, they're
hanging out in their car at Tim Horton's Tim Horton's
and there we've been there in Canada.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
I don't know if it's anywhere else, but I think
it's lots of place, o'kay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Great around So it's around five to twenty pm. They
see a young girl hitchhiking while they're sitting in their truck.
It's about twenty five or thirty feet away from the road.
They didn't know her, but they remember her because they remarked.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
On how young she was to be hitchhiking.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
But even though hitchhiking was kind of a normal thing,
especially a small town like this back then, according to
the brothers, they saw a car pull up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
It was a seventy three to seventy six four door
Dodge Dart or Plymouth Valiant. It was beige tan or
faded yellow with noticeable rest marks, and a mail driver
offered Dana ride. She got in and they drove off,
and the brothers were the last people to see Dana alive.
So because Dana had phoned home before leaving her friend's

(01:03:24):
house to say she was on her way home, her
parents and family were immediately like something is going on.
They file the police report, but of course nothing can
be done that night, because that's how it always goes.
But it's hours and days go by and Dana is
not seen or heard from, and her parents know something
is wrong because she's not the type of girl who

(01:03:44):
would run away. Four days later, on December eighteenth and
nineteen eighty one, in a remote wooded area off a
dirt road just outside Saint John's. This couple and their
kids are out looking for a Christmas tree to chop down,
and the dad spots Dana's body about six miles away

(01:04:07):
from six miles away from the road where she had
been hitchhiking.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Dad sees the body, thinks it's a mannequin. Of course
it's not so. Dana's autopsy shows that she had died
from numerous blows to the head with a blunt object
and was sexually assaulted. But a weird thing is that
Dana had been found fully dressed in her school clothes,
even though she had been sexually assaulted, and had been
laid out carefully burial style, so like placed very neatly

(01:04:34):
with her arms over her chest. And also her school
books had been tucked neatly under her arm.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Oh no, like that's like staging.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Yeah, like almost lovingly placed her there, It seems right.
So because of the way she was laid out, police
thought maybe that the killer was remorseful, that that was,
you know, him trying to kind of make it better.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Yeah, So they made an appeal to him through the media.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
The murder didn't come forward, but the brothers who had
seen her get in the car did, and they also
told detectives about how the driver had to reach over
to the passenger side door to open the door from
the inside like almost like something was wrong with the
outer door. And also that was another point of that
car that they had and they were also able to
give police a good description and they got a police sketch.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Two other witnesses came forward saying that they saw the
car and a man emerged from the woods. So they
saw the car by the side of the road and
a man emerged from the woods the night Dana disappeared
between midnight and one am, where she was later found,
And they said the passenger side door of the car
was open and that the dome light was illuminated in
the car, and they reported that the man had no

(01:05:43):
jacket despite being the middle of December and freezing. So
the search for Dana's killer became the biggest murder investigation
in Newfoundland history, as well as one of the biggest
in Canadian history at the time. In the first week,
eight hundred cars were examined that match the description of
the car that had picked up Dana, and there were
two hundred and fifty prime suspects at one point, but

(01:06:06):
nothing seemed to pan out. So finally, though, five years later,
in nineteen eighty.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Six, Detectives Detectives Decentives, the detectives received an anonymous note
saying that the murderer was an ex con with a
violent pass named David Somerton, and he really strongly resembled
the sketch.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
So they bring him in and he confesses to Dana's murder.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Shit.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
He told them where his car that he used to
abduct her was and where the murder weapon was, and
he also described how he killed her, and it was
consistent with the facts, so police searched for the murder weapon.
It was near wording his body had been found. He
said he had buried it, and police had really searched the.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Area before that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
They went back, and this time they removed trees and
they dug up earth and stuff trying to find it,
but they never found anything. They also went to the
local dump where he said he had left the car,
but it wasn't there either. In all, nearly one million
dollars were spent digging up and searching those two sites

(01:07:12):
but nothing surfaced.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Then this dude, Somerton recants and says he only confessed
after having been interrogated for eighteen hours.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Oh shit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
And then at the time of his confession he was
on heavy medication and so then he denied any involvement
with Dana's murder and the police didn't have the evidence
to hold him any longer. But he was charged with
public mischief and sentenced to two years in jail for
misleading the RCMP.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Oh shit, good.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Mountain Mounted Police. So before you feel bad for him
about that, though, years later he was convicted of sexually
assaulting a minor in two separate incidents.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
So this guy's a creep too, just coincidentally not the killer,
but still a really bad.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Guy maybe yeah fuck yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
So another man was sentenced to nine months in prison
in nineteen eighty two for making cruel harassing phone calls
to the family to Dana's family, but otherwise the case
kind of they didn't go cold, because they wouldn't let
it go cold, but there was no other real.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Clues, but they kept getting tips and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
The person who makes harassing phone calls to a murder
victim's family.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Who didn't do it is as bad as the killer.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Huh there's you are psychotic? Yeah, disgusting?

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Who what the fuck? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
But people make good decisions. Pick up that phone and
actually call nine to one one on yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
That's the best decision you can make in that point,
I am a piece of shit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
What kind of terrible shit has had to happen to
you for you to be the harasser of murder victims family?
It's just beyond totally.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
I know that's a surprising stance that I'm fucking standing
by it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
But it's like, who's worse the murderer who then.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Makes the calls or the or just some dude who
fucking didn't even do it and then mix the calls,
and they're both bad.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
They're all in the shithead fraternity right in my opinion. Absolutely,
But it's just like it's not a prank hate. I
hate prank culture. I just fucking hate it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Pranks Like it's hard enough without someone pulling a fucking
chair out from underneath you and videotaping it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Oh god, the biggest sphere, No, that one that where
one no just being pranked? Yes, and videotape and videotape pranked.
That's not funny. It's just me and nothing's funny. Okay,
that's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Let's cut to twenty fourteen. It's been thirty three years
since Dana was murdered. Oh fuck RCMP. They're contacted by
a man who uses a pseudonym to protect his identity,
name Robert. He tells them that he witnessed Dana's murder
and the events that followed. Whoa at the time, thirty

(01:10:06):
three years before he was six years old?

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Uh oh.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
He tells them that two years before that moment, after
a lifetime of alcoholism, he quit drinking. Once he quit drinking,
in his mind started to heal, he said, memories resurface.
Oh no, he first had memories of being sexually abused
by this dude who was a close and trusted friend

(01:10:31):
of his family, and then the memory of that man
murdering Dana resurfaced.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
So Robert's story is that the man, so his name
is the man we don't Yeah, the man, Yeah, was
driving his father's car that day.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
His dad had a.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Six year old No, the man, the molessed man, let's
call him the bad man.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
Great, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Robert says that the bad man was driving his father's
car that day. It was in nineteen seventy two. Uh huh,
and that Robert was in the back seat of the car.
They were leaving McDonald's on Top Sail Road, which is
where Dana got a ride from. When the man noticed
Dana hitchhiking. Robert confirmed that his father's car had trouble

(01:11:16):
with the passenger side door and that had to be
opened from the inside and from the back seat, Robert
had told him how to open it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Holy shit, And Dana got in okay, this is true,
corroborating story of facts.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Right here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Okay, sorry, this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Is gonna get solved, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Please? So here we go before you call a nine
one one. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Nothing seemed unusual as they made their way to her house,
but when she pointed out which house was hers, then
the bad man kept going and that's when panic set in.
And Robert said it set in in him and he
could tell it set in and Dana as well. Dana
tried to jump out of the car at one point,
but the man, the bad man, grabbed her and sped
up and kept telling you he was going to turn around.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
He's like I'm going to turn around. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
But eventually he pulls off the road, and Robert remembers
that the bad man kept telling Dana that he just
wanted to kiss oh, and she was crying and fighting him,
and then she either scratched or pinched him or did
something to hurt him, because Robert remembers him kind of
jumping back, and at that moment, Dana bolts out of

(01:12:24):
the car, and then Robert remembers and how insanely quickly
it was.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
That the bad man ran after her.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Oh, So, Robert says, he got out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Of the car.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
At this point too, the six year old's like, what's
going on? And by this time the bad man had
caught Dana and they fought to the ground as the
six year old's watching. Robert said he stood near the
car and watched as the murder and sexual assault took place.
He said, as a six year old, he wasn't able
to understand what was happening. He said the murder weapon

(01:12:56):
was the tire iron from the car, and then when
it was over, the man put Dana's body in the
trunk and drove towards where they were going to leave.
Dana's body along and along the way disposed of the
tire iron, the bad man trying.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
To keep calling him that, I mean I can follow it, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
The man dumped Dana over an embankment, and then and
then he retrieved her body, realizing it was a bad
place to leave her, and brought it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
To where it was ultimately found.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
So then then Robert says, quote and he was trying
to get me to leave because he said her mom
and dad would be looking for her. And he told
me that she was going to go to school the
next morning, trying to get him to come away.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
And Robert was like crying and didn't want to leave
her in the forest. He was scared.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Oh my god, this is horrible, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
And then Robert says, so the man says that we
have to leave her here. Her parents are going to
come so she can go to school the next day.
And then Robert says, well, then she needs her books. Oh,
So the man went goes up to the car, gets
her books and puts them under her arm. Because the
six year old is like, we need to give her

(01:14:09):
her books back.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
This is the fucking saddest thing of all time, I know. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Later that night, Robert then says the man woke him
up and made him come back out with him to
the side of the body to look for his jacket
that he had left behind, And he says he thinks
the reason he made him come with him is in
case he got pulled over or whatever would be like, well,
my kid's here with me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Yeah, So they pull over to the side of the road.
He stays in the car and the man goes into
the woods to look for his jacket, and Robert says,
a car drives by, and remember a car had seen
them on the side of the road.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Yep, this couple.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
They so they had said that the dome light was
on the passenger side of the door was open, and
Robert says that he remembers a car coming by late
at night and.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Says he was scared, so he pushed the seat forward
and got out of the car and left the door open.
So that's it explained that, And then there's.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Every detail he is matching and explaining perfectly. God, it's
like it's horrifying, but it's also insanely satisfying.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
But wait, oh fuck, sorry, no, come on, is anything
ever really satisfying never.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
And and the people had reported that the man had
no jacket when he came out of the woods when
they saw him, and uh and in one in one
of his statements, Robert said that he had taken his
jacket off to like carry the you know, to carry
the body, because he was sweating and stuff. Probably, so
that's why he left his jacket behind Dad. They drove off,
he didn't get his jacket. Then they go back home.

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Robert says he holds a work light while the man
washes the trunk of the car.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Using the supplies, and then he goes to bed. And
four days later, Dana's body is found. So Robert, at
this point as an adult, tells police that he thinks
his father's car, the one that was used in the abduction,
is buried on a former property that belonged to his dad.
And I was like, what the fuck, But apparently people
bury their fucking.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Cars in their backyard. Yeah, that's the thing. That's the thing. Okay,
when you live out in the country, you don't want
like you're you're not gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
You're not gonna take it anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
Why well, I mean, like it's just like a thing
where it's like just go put it out there either
because there's tons of room, so like it maybe it
costs money to tow, yeah, or whatever is your thing
is just get out there with some manual labor and
get rid of it. I've definitely heard of that before.
So that's just there's just cars everywhere. I mean, it's
it's a little bit like you know if you live

(01:16:44):
way out like when you're kind of like way out
in the in the boondogs. Yeah, there's it's everything is
a big painting the ass and takes like you know,
you'd have to drive it into the junk yard for
forty five minutes or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
This is what happens when you grow up in suburbia.
You just don't know the fucking country things.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Ask me anything about country life.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
You're a horse person.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
I didn't even have an opportuny. I didn't even meet
a horse. So that wasn't miserable.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
I wish I was a horse person. I was like,
I was like the person who didn't have the right boots.
Like there's horse people that's like the crush, that's like
rich people. Yeah, we were like the bare back you know,
seventies children that were like We're probably gonna get that
bucked off pretty soon. We're like the kids with armcasts
and shit no shoes. I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Okay, Buck car is buried.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
So after six a sixteen month investigation into Robert's story,
the RCMP refused to try to retrieve the vehicle, and
they also dismissed Robert's story completely, saying it didn't match
the known facts of the case. Oh I disagree, they said,
quote the vast differences between the known hard facts of
the case in this person's account cannot be overstated. So

(01:17:56):
they think, hold on, let me read this to you. Okay,
But I will tell you that they did tell Robert
that they found enough evidence to corroborate his claims of
sexual abuse against the bad man. He's identified as Thomas Carrey,
who was actually arrested and convicted of sexually abusing children
in the nineties. So he was a legit fucking pedophile.

(01:18:17):
Yeah yeah, and he served time but he's now free,
which is fun.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Whoa in Newfoundland? Yeah and in a different city.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Ooh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
So but as far as this dude murdering Dana, they
believe that Robert read about the case and became a
victim of false memory syndrome, where a person believes the
memory to be true and his and it colors their
whole life and they believe everything. So they think that
he just read so much about it because the stuff

(01:18:48):
he read, the stuff that he knew was stuff you
could read about in the papers.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Oh, so he basically got super into the case, and
then his memories began to fill in.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Right, he'd read right, And maybe he was an alcoholic
and didn't remember doing all this stuff, and it is true.
They talked to his dad, and his dad like corroborates
that the man who the guy was, and that he
was around and that he probably losted his kids. Also
that in the first couple weeks of the investigation they
did come and take a look at his car because
they were checking everyone's car that was similar. So maybe

(01:19:20):
he had a memory of that somehow.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
So they don't believe it's true. But a huge, big
group of civilians.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Do believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
They have a Facebook group and there's like ten thousand
people on it. Oh amazing, and they believe Robert's story.
And so in May two, I do too. I know
you could be one of them. In May twenty sixteen,
they collect enough money to evacuate the car.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Evacuate.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
Excavate yep, evacuate it from the ground. I mean, same idea,
Yes it is, yeah, just kind of going up different directions. Yeah,
up and out of dirt.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Right, it's money to excavate the car, it says excavate.
But before or it was completed. So these fucking poor
people are like, we believe that we're gonna do it
justice for Dana. Like all they want is for Dana's
murder to be solved because it's such a small town
and like fucked everyone up so much.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Yeah, so they're doing it. And then while they're doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Before it's completed, the fucking RCMP is like, hey, guess what,
you guys. We retested some old DNA from the case
with advanced technologies, and we're able to connect the DNA
to an unknown male suspect. So it's not that fucking dude,
it's just some it's not one of the suspects we
have right now. It's just an unknown not they have

(01:20:35):
to test it against the suspects. But it's not a man,
not in the data in the system.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
WHOA.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
So those poor people are like shit, And then They're like, yeah, that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
Seems a little mean. I want to believe in the
Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Yeah, we all do.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
They have such great chins. But I don't like this.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
I know, I don't like I don't like this.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
How about we independently check the DNA us in the
POD law. Oh, I've got my spinning, my spinning thing.
How about in the DNA law we make this into
the DNA loft.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
We sealed this off, seal it off. No cats allowed.
We get those.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
It's like hazmat suits. Yeah, we handle things. Yeah, glows yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Yeah, we'll do it. And they so they tested the
DNA against Thomas Carey.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
No match.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
He's officially ruled out as a suspect, but there are also.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Other cases of missing and murdered women in the area
around that time that might be connected to Dana. In fact,
the chief medical Examiner, Simon Avis, stated that at least
two serial killers have been active in the province, and
that one of them is due to be released from prison,
but he wouldn't tell them who it was.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Oh shit, I guess what.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
So they have yeah right, God tell me more please.
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
They still received many new tips, But for now, all
they can do is test the DNA against their hundreds
of suspects in the hopes of finally finding Dana Bradley's killer.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Wow, that's the murder of Dana Bradley. It's so intense
it I feel like you said the perfect detail at
the beginning that hooked me in in this worst way.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Those brothers seeing her.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
Hitchhiking and thinking she was too little to be hitchhiking
just set that tone.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
Of like she's a baby, she's a baby.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Yeah, and that happens. We read these stories all the
time and we get like the more I do these stories,
and you see this repetitive the habit of calling people
prostitutes and hookers, and basically they're so especially in you know,
the Hillside Stranglers.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
I bet it's leads with this prostitute, prostitute, she's a prostitute.
It's dismissive and totally reductive, and it's like they should
it should be like she looked like she was twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
It's that, but also like saying she was fourteen, you
think of her a little more, a little older, like
at fourteen, I had gotten into some shit. Yeah, but
then you look at an actual fourteen year old, an
everyday normal fourteen year old, especially back in the fucking
seventies and eighties.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
Oh, and they were little babies. They're little babies and
even I mean, like what they look like is when
I went home for the holidays, I remember sitting my
sister and I laughed about this because the.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
Roy Hill is Roy Hill.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
I remember the guy that was running for a governor
or something in the South and he was the one
that had been kicked out of the mall for her
rassing teenage posts. Yeah, and it was that whole thing
where people started talking about like it's fine and you
know down here people you're allowed to date sixteen year
olds all that weird shit. When we went home, my

(01:23:57):
sister and I were sitting at Christmas and one of
my my two nieces were there. One of them had
just gone off to college and one I believe was
a freshman, And I was like, would you want, yeah,
Anna to be dating that guy? Like totally, would you
really go online and be like it's fine that my
niece dates that Yeah, Like teenage girls are such a

(01:24:20):
fetishized kind of like you know, sexualized and.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Like overly matured group.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
Where it's like, oh yeah, a hot teenage girl whatever,
where it's like their children, their.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Children, they have had no life experience yet, they don't
know how to live, you know, make good decisions yet
and be on their own. And they're not they're not adults,
their brains aren't fucking complete, and they're they're still half children.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
Yeah, like that's the thing to remember.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
It kind of fucked me up when I so, you know,
I did a lot of shit, and I was thirteen
and fourteen, and then when I was in my twenties,
I was with a guy for a long time, my
boyfriend who had a daughter who was ten when I
met him, and then so I was with him for
a few years and saw her at thirteen and fourteen,
and it kind of hit me as like seeing her

(01:25:11):
and how sweet and young and innocent she was. I
thought I was a big adult back then, course, and
it kind of put everything into perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
Of what I had done and what had been done
to me back then. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
So, like I mean, it's just yeah, it's troubling, it's
heavy shit, but it's yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Try to
be as young as you can.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
For as long as you can do it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
It's not grow You'll grow up. Inevitably, it's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
It's a real bummer.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
Kids don't ever listen when you say stuff like that.
Do kids listen to this? Stop listening to this.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Yeah, we've met a couple.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
It's true.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
Oh little baby children, girls that come up, I know,
always with their mothers.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Always with their mothers. Listen to your mothers. Who what
a one.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
Hitchhiked to want to work show?

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Oh my god, we would say for her, she'd get
us thanking.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
Never you would be banned.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
So all right, here's the I don't know. This is
the end of the show where we do say nice things.
It doesn't have to have a name, right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
It doesn't have to have a name, but we've been
getting suggestions in a way that is it's endearing and
it's also hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
People are trying, and they're trying in a way that
makes me real. It makes me feel better that there
is no fucking proper name for this. They're trying so
hard and none of them are working.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Well. You know why, because people, you know, it's the
thing of should it be funny to get pun should
be sincere? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
I think I took a picture of one that I liked. Oh,
you have the list. It's even made a list.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
He've made a list. Here, you take it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
I get to read it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
Doctor knows I love stuff like this. Okay, I'm gonna
read it and you can tell me. Can you just
say yes or no?

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
But off your head. Kathy suggested happy talk okay. Megan
suggested rejuvenation stations, making vagina immediately rejuvenation station in the stirrups.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Yeah, and in that plastic surgery vaginal rejuvenation.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
That's my favorite comedy line.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
That I ever wrote, not ever, but like it was
one of the earliest ones. When Zach alfinek Has had
his talk show Late World was Zach on VH one.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
Yeah, second, we forgot about that, right.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
It was my second staff writing Joka and Sarah Silverman.
They did a tape piece where Sarah went to a
vaginal plastic surgeon to interview him, and I wrote it
and one of the I mean, of course, she riffed
a ton of shit herself, of course, but one of
the things I wrote for her to say that she
delivered so perfectly, and it was my favorite thing is

(01:27:50):
after a day of rejuvenating vaginas, how can you believe
in love? And that's the way she did that. Wording
probably isn't right on, but the way she did it.
She had this big smile on it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
And the guy just stares at her like he has
no idea what she's talking about it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
That's my brag. I can figure out any way to
talk about myself. Have you noticed that?

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Yeah? But there are good stories at least God, and
I'm so sick of my own boy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
Nick suggested cheerful chasers. You know, sorry, Nick, Nick? And
I see Anna and Jerry suggested my favorite moment. I
mean that's smart.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
They are marketing experts, probably because they're like keeping on brand.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
But I don't want to have to say that every week. Yeah.
Elizabeth said my favorite party vibes and she had a
you in it, so she's from somewhere else, Canada or England.
Mollie said, put a pin in it. I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
Hill a Monster said post mortem positivity.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
That's good. It just takes so long to say. Andrea said,
kick some kudos. Andrew's going for it as a mom.
Andrew does some high kicks. Jenny with and I said
post pod picked me up and then to go along
with that alliteration. Tara says positivity pocket see, it's impossible,

(01:29:15):
it's hilarious. Colette has suggested.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
My current jam okay, I don't mind it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
Sarah says we should call it fucking hooray. I think
that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
I mean that's I think Stephen put that at the
end because he knew that we would like at the
can you make up a jingle?

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
Karen? Am I right for?

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
Oh? It's fucking hooray?

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
There? Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
You Ken came out of me. That's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
That was my favorite, was it?

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
He's my favorite one? Fucking I mean, that's perfect. It's
pretty nail it, pretty nailed it, all.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
Right, fucking horay it is? Who did it? What's her name? Again?

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
That was Sarah with an eight, Sarah with an h congratulations.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
I mean you win. But Megan Rejuvenation Station, you're right
there the closest of seconds. So, but again the vagina part,
it's not your problem, it's not your fault.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
This was If this was purely a feminism podcast, it
would win. What is your fucking hooray?

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Want me to go first? Yeah? Do you have one? Mine?
Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Someone suggested I start reading this again, and I'm so
glad I did because it's so positive.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
It's Tiny Beautiful Things.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
It's the Dear Sugar Book by Cheryl Strade, who wrote Wild.
She was this anonymous advice columnist for years, and the
book is a like a.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
What's it called.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
Compilation of like some of her best but it tells
the story. It's so beautiful. She's so incredible. The way
she talks to people who are going through this traumatic,
crazy shit is so real and human. And even if
it's problems that you've never gone through, which most of
them are, but you can relate to in some way.
It's really great advice and just really really great, lifeless

(01:30:58):
and I can't reck coommended enough. Tiny Beautiful Thing. So,
Tiny Beautiful Things is another advice book. Yeah, it's it's
the Deer Sugar Book.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
Oh okay, yeah? Is it read? It's orange? Yeah? Orange?
Is that it? Do you have it?

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
Yes, I didn't realize that was the title.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Yeah, it's called Tiny Beautiful Things. It's the Deer Sugar
Book by Cheryl Strade. I've also read it. It's amazing great,
it's really smart. It's like advice in that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
Way like I used to like when I used to read.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Elle, and I'd always read Dear e Gene, and like
sometimes her advice was great and really direct and you know,
a bad us. But then also sometimes it was like
I don't I'm not with this like this take on life,
because everybody's different whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
I'm with that shit that that deer Sugar.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
She does what you do, which is takes every question
as a chance to talk about herself in her life,
but somehow fucking turns it into this incredible uh in
this incredible way to relate to the person and then
and then also empathize with them so incredibly hard. It's
just it's obviously this the person who wrote it, Deer
Sugar is just so she's so uh, she's so human

(01:32:10):
and so empathetic and thoughtful. It's really a beautiful book.
And you'll and you'll you'll grow and heal.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
From it yourself. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
Yeah, Okay, that's a good one. That's my Hourray fucking
Hourray fucking hooray.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
And that works.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
That title really works.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
I Mine is a little uh weird, but I'm finding uh,
I got this book on tape. I just haven't been
feeling good about myself in a just physically way and
just haven't been active and I know that like moving
around immediately makes me feel better. And the less I

(01:32:48):
do it, the less I want to do totally. And
it's just you know, I've been complaining to you privately
about this for quite some time.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
It's our life, so there is uh.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
I just looked started looking randomly, was like, what should
I do? I need to do something right now, and
I'm like, a listen to a podcast. So I first
I found a podcast called half Size Me, which is
hosted by a woman who is doing that thing where
she's standing in one leg of the pants she used
to wear, and she is I don't have the Stephen,
will you find her name for me, just so I

(01:33:19):
can say it. But it's such a great podcast. She
talks to people who basically listen to the podcast and
lost weight, and they just talk about how they did it,
what they did.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
Like what's effective?

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Yeah, and she is really positive, really like I just
love it. There's so many ways to do that kind
of talking incorrectly, like fitness or like you know what
you need to do is you dick in or whatever
where it's like but if you don't understand the feeling
of having forty sixty eighty extra pounds on your body.
You just don't know, Like, there are people that give

(01:33:54):
advice that have no idea what they're fucking talking about
in that specific way.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
So it's very cool.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
It's a woman who did it and then is just
talking to other people about how they did it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
That's incredible because it's different for every single person.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
It's different for everybody, and it's really helpful to just
hear real people who are like, yeah, yeah, that's what
I was like too, and well it's harder to say.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
It's harder to be like I can't do that when
someone's like, but I did.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
It, yes, right exactly, because when you're sitting at home alone,
you're like, there's just no way and forget it. It's
the easiest thing to do. But when you're listening to
people who are like, yeah, I thought it was impossible,
but here's here's what inspired me this day, this day.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
Or how about then your your goal is to be
on the podcast?

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
Exactly, No, it really is because oh wait, her name
is Heather Robertson.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
Thanks Stephen. Cool, it's Heather Robertson. Haap Size Me.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
But the actually, so that's how I found this book
because she recommends that everybody that's going to like get.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
Into that whole thing read this book.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
First.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
The book is called.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
The Diet Fix, and it's by a doctor named Yoni Friedhoff,
and he is I think I believe he's Canadian. It's
basically the book you read when you have read every
fucking diet book, You've tried every diet and you now
don't know what to do because you have too much information.
And he calls people traumatized dieters, and he's the idea

(01:35:18):
is you have to stop dieting. You have to stop restricting,
you have to stop being mean to yourself and beating
yourself up, and you have to start looking at all
all of it, like how are you going to do
it in the positive way? Radical self acceptance? It is.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
We were being sarcastic, but that's totally what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
And it just like I am the quickest at re
starting to listen to something and being like bullshit and
you're full of bullshit and goodbye, and.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Well, you know what, you know what opening yourself up
to and letting and trying it is just vulnerability. Because
I'm also reading fucking daring greatly Againne Brown, this is
the self help corner.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
I mean, there's here's.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
The thing when you actually find for I've read a
million self help books, so like that. That's why when
I read Brene Brown's books, I was like, holy shit,
this is real because it isn't the usual you know
the patterns and you know that talk and you know
the like you've just got to believe in yourself or whatever.
It's like, that's not going to help me get off
the couch. What is like, how do I get inspired?

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
And this the Diet Fixed book unclenched something in my
brain the best way. That just kind of made me
go like, yeah, I'll just make little changes and just
start awesome little changes.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
That's that's a big part of it, right, like cause
you're always like I'm going to stop doing this entire
life thing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
I mean, how many times on the road was I
like just I would just turn to Georgia and be like,
I'm just not going to eat macaroni and cheese at
eleven o'clock anymore. And then Vince would be like, so
we got to order dinner for after the show, and
I'd be like, I'll go ahead and get some macages
like like is a thing of when I don't know,
things are stressful, things, things are busy, and you just

(01:36:59):
want you're guaranteed comfort. You just it's like if you
don't know where else to get it, then you just
go to the same well every time. And then that's
how like And he talks about this in that diet fixtbook,
where if dieting worked, everybody would be thin. And you
beat yourself up for not being able to do a
thing that no one can do because even like I've

(01:37:23):
gone on things where I don't eat sugar for two years,
you can do that, but you can't sustain it because
if you're not living happily, then you can't continue to
live that way. And so the goal is to figure
out how to live happily without abusing yourself with food.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
That's all.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
So it's I mean, I hate to talk about stuff
like this. I will say this. I am an you'd
be exactly the way you want to be. Just feel good.
I'm talking about this right now because I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
Yeah, it's not about you're at the wrong size. It's
I don't feel good in my body.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
Interior being uncomfortable and be uncomfortable makes me mad at myself,
and then I mean to myself. So like the idea
that I'm listening to a thing that's going, yeah, the
whole it's not figure out a new way to be
mean to yourself. It's going no, stop, all clear, all
the meanness.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
Out and start over. And here's how you do it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
What's it called again? The book The Diet Fixed by
Yoni Freedhoff, And that the only reason I knew about
it is because Heather and her.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
Half Sized Me podcast, which is a delight to listen to.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
It's like two ladies laughing about the way it's been
and then the way it is now. I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
It's very cool. That's awesome, but also do what you want.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
Well, that was fucking hooray, Thanks Sarah. Right now I
really like feel like saying fucking horay hooray. Yeah cool,
Thanks for listening. You guys, you know you're the best.
We love you, Love you, and stay sexy, don't get murdered.
Get that you want cookie.

Speaker 1 (01:39:06):
That sounded like a gold door opening. Are you okay? Okay, okay,