167 - Bomb Grade

Karen and Georgia cover the death of Karen Silkwood and serial killer Sam Little.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello, Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder, the maxisode,
the Maxi Pad episode. This is the episode where we
pour blue water onto your the Maxi pad of your interest.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Here's what we promise. You will be super absorbent, yep, uncensored.
There will be no leaks this entire episode. There'll be wings,
but they'll work. Oh man, the darn things got wings.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Do you remember those when that always first came out
with maxi pads with wings? Which is it should have
happened years ago. It was a new thing. It was
so new and it was It came I think in
the nineties, right late eighties, maybe maybe not my period yet.
And there was literally a lady in the commercial. It
did not apply to you. There's a lady in the
commercial holding up this nuts looking huge Maxi pad with

(01:00):
the wings going the dart things got wings. That's cute.
Where is she today, day hud She died of toxic
shock syndromes. The whole thing was made of asbestos. They
didn't realize back then that they shouldn't kill women internally.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
They didn't know you shouldn't just shove asbestos right up
to your anyway. Look, listen, listen, this is just a
free association episode. Whatever the mouths happened? Karen's eating Oh sorry,
Canadian kitkats. We're forgetting there is a okay, talk about it.

(01:37):
We have an let's do an office corner. Okay, we
have everything. You tell a thing, Okay, my thing in
the office, because we're in the office. It's the new studios.
It's very exciting. Every day there's a new thing.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Now. The walls are painted. That's exactly right, that's exactly right.
The acoustic tiles are up waiting to be hung, so
that all the sound is perfection. There's a Stephen in
the corner. Stephen's got his whole thing set up, including
my favorite new clock. There's a Stephen corner. Corrections one
Stephen Corner. But my favorite thing, which is and I
apologize for you having to listen to but we are

(02:10):
given so much candy and we might need to ask
plays less candy.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
This shows we have so much candy in this office.
That there is a literal, humongous drawer filled with Canadian
kitcats in our kitchen, and that every time we come
to record, I just go open that door and pull
one out for myself. It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
How do we do a roll that if your name
is Leslie, No, how about if you were born in
the month of October, May or August. You can bring
us candy if you want, but otherwise, or if your
name is Leslie, or if there's Leslie but I with
why whatever doesn't matter, And we're going to look at
your driver's license too.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
You just deny, Yeah, yep, yes, because it's gutting so
out of hand, and it's very difficult not to eat.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
High quality chocolate if it's mere you these fucking saltid
caramels get from this is the this is the best
chocolate ear in our in our in Omaha, and that's
salted caramel. And then the other problem is that I
love dark chocolate. You hate it, so I immediately get
the dark chocolate.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
And then my suitcase is full of dark chocolate salted caramels,
and I want to cry. I mean, And here's the thing.
Everybody that gives us gifts has really good taste. They
know what a good gift is to give. They know
to go to the oldest candy store in their town,
because it reflects the town, it reflects quality. It's good.
It harkens back to a time of your Yeah for whites,

(03:35):
let's be specific, but it really is the best. So
I will go home with a little box like a
Sea's or Whitman's style tiny box of local candy and
just be like, well, I have to eat it. I'm here,
I'm here in Pittsburgh. I do the thing.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
I'm going to bring this home and give it to
my mom, or I have a shelf of like I'm
just going to get that to someone else, like, yeah,
it's so nice, but I don't want this or that,
and then I just end up eating it all. There's
a whole fucking can of maple syrup someone gave us
in Canada that I was like, I shouldn't let this
go to waste, and now I have a fucking can
of maple syrup.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
That's like me sometimes when I'm in the grocery store
and I want to buy candy but I'm so ashamed
to be buying candy that i have to make up
a story in my head where I start the story.
This is for the kids. Someone's gonna come over later, Yep,
this is for the kids. There's not one child in
my neighborhood. I don't I'm not friends with anybody on
a day to day basis that I see children. You

(04:28):
don't own any children. There's no I don't have them
hidden in the attic. There's no fucking kids. Why, Okay,
hold on, there's a nat. We're going to get it.
Record this or it might be edited out if it's terrible.
But there's a fucking gnat. And I swear there's a
get in your face net that's flying through this room
right now. I bet you it's because we turn the
lights off and it's cold up there now. Yeah, But
also I can't tell the gnat from the floaters in

(04:49):
my eyes. Shit, I promise there's no I saw it
coming at any or it'll happen at some point. We
get that little motherfucker my office update corner.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
So let's talk about the raggedy clown that we there's okay,
I think we talked about this in the past episode.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
We'll put a photo of.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
It up and maybe a video of it up on
our social networks. Someone gifted us what's a raggedy an.
It looks like a raggedy ann, but it's a clown
and on one side it's a happy face, and then
you turn it over the other side of the.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Back of his head.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
It's a fucking vintage clown, sad face with tears on
its own face, crying, knit tears.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Got him, didn't get it, knit tears? Why is it
happening there? And I was talking.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
So I came here early and I was talking to
Stephen and Danielle was private conversation.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, I'm going to tell you about it now, Okay, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
So I walk in the office and I'm like, why
is the clown right there? That's not when we originally
put the clown And it's a weird place, in a
weird place. And I realized that lately I've been coming
in the office and it's been in different places every time.
So I come in here and Stephen and Danielle, who's
our exactly right executive producer.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yes, and she's running this now. She's so fucking amazing,
Danielle Kramer. We love her the best.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
And I said, which one of you guys are moving
the clown, like as a joke, and they were both like,
we are not moving it.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
And I believe them. They're not lying people.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
And then at five am the other day, the alarm
went off here and it's moving all the time. And
then Danielle said, when she listened to the video of
the alarm going off, she heard like creepy voices. No, yes,
she I didn't know that. Yeah, I just found out.
And I was like, don't tell Karen. I'm gonna tell
her on the.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Podcast, okay, because I absolutely assumed Stephen was moving the clown.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Stephen, well, so I have moved it once or twice,
but this last time they came in and there was
something on the floor, and I took a picture and
sent it to Danielle because if anything goes wrong, I'm like,
let's see Danielle.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
And it was part of the alarms.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Yeah, And then like Danielle knows what's up, She's gonna
she's yeah, she's running the place. And then she was like, oh,
do you mind just putting it back in its spot?
And so I went back into the main room and
put it in its spot, and I noticed the clown
was in the corner, like turned around of the clown,
like the clown was in the I did not notice
it when I walked in. I'm like getting chills, as
saying right now, but it's fucking chucky. But can I

(07:09):
just say this. Then the other night when I was leaving,
I did.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I don't know if I moved to the clown, no,
but I definitely turned the clown around. So it wasn't
the crying face, it was the happy faces. I was like,
we don't need to be looking at the sad side
of the clown.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Well, the only other person that could have done it,
the only other employee and person who works for exactly
right media.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Are is Jay.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yes, and the three of you could not be more
like more of an honest bunch that wouldn't fucking play pranks.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
So I don't. Okay, So here's my idea, because it's
two days after April Fool, so just be lame in
April Fools, like Stephen, honestly drop drop the prank. Now, Stephen,
look at me, God damn it, you rascal.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
So here's my idea in case it is haunted and
then we're like, let's get rid of it. But I
think it's the coolest thing. And I remember the two
girls who gave it to us.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
I feel like the the women that gave it to us.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
It was in ok oh, okay, okay, So I'm one
hundred percent wrong, but I remember it being these two
gals in Arizona being like, we found this today at
a thrift store and we thought it'd be great for you,
And then we started crying and they were like so
happy about our reaction. So Steven and Danielle had the
great idea, We're going to fucking Arizona this weekend, dropped.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
It back off to give it to the hometown person.
It's a problem now, but then we have to fly
with it, that's right, and we have to buy it
its own seat. Did you know that you have to
strap it in. You can't just sit in your lap
or underneath the seat running out hunted clowns. Man, those
are expensive. For some reason, I remembered getting that clown

(08:43):
from those guys, those people, those women after the Circleville
when we were in Ohio. I feel like that's the
area we were in. But now you could tell me anywhere,
you could tell me.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
I think you're right, but I want to but let's
pretend I am and bring it with us this weekend.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Stephen, will you look up in the email, just because
I feel like we had at least one conversation with
the people who gave us the email that then said
we are the ones that sent you the clown clown?
Either way, what are you sure that's not part of
the kit cat? It might be your kitcat. Now that's
probably for the best.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Well we should find out, because if you take it
to Arizona, you're just unleashing the clown.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
You know what. Maybe it's for it, maybe we need it,
it's for everyone. That's good exactly, Am I right? We
throw it into the crowd.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
It's up to you now to fucking handle this. If
but what if if we bring on the plane and
it's an emotional support haunted clown, then is it fine?

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Well, it depends on how much support it brings you
and if it really makes the difference, because we could
travel and take this journey with this haunted clown and
find out that all along the haunted clown was inside us. Okay,
all right.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
And this weekend, Vince isn't going to be with us.
Oh that's on tour because it's WrestleMania. That's the only
thing he would He would for forsake us for nothing else.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, that except for he would not have any part
of that clown. No, you're right, he wouldn't, Or you're
saying I'm just saying would be the only thing. It's
definitely going to be a weird weekend. We're going to
be off our kilters because we don't have our grounding
emotional support Vince. Yes, our emotional support soil that is
Vince April. But we'll have a word. Okay, it'll be fine,

(10:27):
everything's fine. We'll see if it's fine or not, well,
we'll let you know. You'll know, you'll definitely know. You'll
be the first to know. Smoke in the flames and
you'll know. Now, the last time we were in Phoenix,
that was when we were in the Revolving Theater, the
Circle Stage, Revolving Theater really one of the fun most
fun times of my life. I think. Yeah, that night,

(10:49):
that audience, the interaction, and the fact that the stage
was moving the entire fucking time. I will never forget it. No,
it was beautiful, it was magical. We have some announcements
because we have this podcast network.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, this is exactly right, Corner got you gotta get
something better than that.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, well, these are just updates. These are network updates.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
This is.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yes, my news teletype, it's your phone is buzzing. Exactly
when that was going on?

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Is that your phone. Let's just see who it is. Okay,
I'm so excited. It's from San Juan Capistrano. Oh, your
favorite place of vacation, your favorite I love to go
down when the swallows come back and shoot swallows. You.
It's the best vacations. And pet email us. It's we

(11:41):
love your cartoons, we love your interactions. Oh yeah, so God,
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the Jensen and Holmes Murder Squad just premiered, and you
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(12:02):
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Speaker 2 (12:05):
I want I want to convey how incredible this is
to us, and how much this means to us, and
how important this is. And this podcast is incredible Jensen
and Hale's Murder Squad, but it says so much. You
guys made us look really fucking good.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, because we were like, we swear to God, if
you guys help us make this, this thing will go.
It will be big and people will love it man
and sell it. Yeah, and it really worked. And the
ultimate I was telling you and Danielle and Stephen this earlier,
but the ultimate compliment was the day after it came out.
My sister called, who is not a murder you know,
and is not interested. She real happy for you, but

(12:43):
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she is she doesn't like true crime. It freaks her out.
She listened anyway and loved it, and she was just like,
it's amazing that I love the song. I love the
whole setup in the beginning, but to listen to professional
people discuss the jobs they've had and the work they've

(13:04):
done and where it is now and where they want
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And I just is, here's the thing. You don't have
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spotted George Clooney on the early episodes of the Facts
of Life when he was just a handyman at the

(13:24):
store and was like, who's that guy? And it was
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(13:49):
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this week, the Great Martha Kelly, who plays Martha on
Baskets is our guest. Stephen was there for the recording.
We had a really good time driving around Mount Washington,

(14:15):
very randomly, sure, just driving around on the East side
of LA. Who hasn't had a good time driving around
Mount Washington. It's pretty It's pretty great Martha. A lot
of you guys know her from Baskets, but before she
was on Baskets, she was just a really well known
and very well respected stand up comic. I don't think
people understand how hilariously funny she is. And her and

(14:35):
Chris are old friends, so she really is just the
funniest person she is. Yeah, I love her. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
And then there's a new episode of the per Cast.
Of course Stephen or Stephen Ray Moore is he just
would And so here's a crossover, you guys. So this
Podcast will Kill You another podcast on our networks. Aaron
Alman Updyke is the guest this week, which is so cool.
We met her and she's such an angel baby. And
then last week I think it was Lisa Haniwalt who

(15:02):
created an animates Chuka and Birdie also aka Fucking BoJack
Horseman and she's a friend of the podcast as well.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
And yeah, it's just a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
And you talk about cats, but it's more than that.
It is if you don't like cats, you still like
the podcast. There's more, there's more to be had. Yeah,
what do you fucking want?

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Also there's season four of The Fall Line just started.
It starts today, and of course wrapping it up with
the exactly right network hit podcast This Podcast will Kill
You this week Hookworms. I got so, I went Hookworms
when I got so. I love this shit.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
And they have a great Instagram where they they every
episode when they whatever the topic is, they show vintage
like ads and posters and warnings and all the shit
of whatever the fucking insanity is.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, and it's just really entertaining. It's great, and it
was so fun. We got to meet Aaron Almond Updick.
She came to the studio and we all get to
stand in the hallway. And that's the funniest thing is
this is us bringing this network together. We haven't gotten
all to stand together at any moment and go, oh
my god, thank you, welcome or whatever. It was like

(16:10):
our first face to face with her. We still have
to meet the other Errand she's in Finland, Stephen Errands
in Finland. But it was just so exciting because it's like,
to us, it's all been this key sextual stuff we've
been working on for two years, and all of a sudden,
now we're all standing in the hallway giggling about the
fact that it's really happening. It's really exciting. And meanwhile,
I'm in a three piece suit. What if people wear

(16:33):
at offices? Yeah, totally three tweed suits, tweet hard shoes,
there's a cane dockers, there's dogers everywhere in this office.
Definitely boat boat shoes. But there's boats. The cool thing
is if you have a podcast on this network, we
give you a super yacht, which I think is more
than face right, but that's actually the nickname for a

(16:54):
disease that at next season this podcast will kill you.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
It's going to cover have you ever had super yacht?
I've been inoculated for the super yacht.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Oh shoot, you're gonna need some NEOs born actually, go
stand in Walgreens all uncomfortable?

Speaker 3 (17:11):
What else?

Speaker 1 (17:12):
You know what we haven't talked about? And just can
we please skip our our discussion? Timeline is so off
because we've been on the road for so long. I
just need to have a three minute moment for the
Madeline McCann series on Netflix. All the series we haven't
talked I know, endless series, endless series, but that's the

(17:32):
one that is because I don't. I haven't been watching
a ton of them lately. So there have been a
couple of conversations where I'm just silently smiling while everyone
else does it because I'm not going to say I
want to watch it eventually, but I have to pacete
it out for myself. Madeline McCann though, oh shit, if
you haven't watched it, I highly recommend it.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
What Okay, I got a little into it and I
was like, where is this going? Mm hmm, and it
made me really sad.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yes, it's only bad. It doesn't you don't get out
of that. Nope, no they don't. It keeps going down
and down and down. And then you're like, well, this
is the worst that could happen to these people. But
it is absolutely not the worst. It's terrible, and.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yes, and it's the thing you need to know, and
it's it's really well done. Yes, I did really enjoy
watching it. I watched a lot of it and then, yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
It's very compelling. But I think after a while it
like you get worn down by the reality of it.
I mean there's at one point I'll just say this
is boiler Like in like year three they realized just
no one had been looking for her at all for
three years. There's things like that where you just you
think you know what this case is. I think I
know what the case is.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
I had a completely different opinion when I went in,
and even not finishing the series, I you know, I'm
heartbroken for her parents, and it's just it's just I
think I got really sick of listening to that one
detective lie, the poor Guese cop. Yeah, I got sick
of the Portuguese cop being able to say whatever the

(19:04):
fuck he wanted on like I didn't like him to
a point that made it too hard.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Does he die?

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Carriage made me a Carriages made a face of me
that was so like, I know what it was.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
It was, way, do you see what happens? Right?

Speaker 5 (19:18):
Well?

Speaker 1 (19:18):
But die? I mean we're all going to die, so sure.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, And I didn't mean to sound so excited about
someone's death.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
It was this again is a spoiler, and I'll only
say it to you and then I don't know we
can do with it what we will.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
I just decided too much of a voice you made.
It was like a it was a well I have
a secret.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
And here from the side, I'm like this because I'm like, well,
you didn't watch it did and now I'm going.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
To tell you her finger on her chin, like well,
I'll just wait for you to be stupid.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
My enjoyment of my enjoyment of you not knowing isn't
because I'm not enjoying you being stupid. It's we all
have that. But but it's almost like that thing where
somebody is watching something like I can't take it anymore,
and you turn it off right before the great and
you're like, wait'll you fucking see it? But let me
just tell you he makes a movie about his side

(20:13):
of the story. Well, I know, did you watch that part? No,
I only got to the book. I dip back in
simply for the film that they released on Portuguese television.
That is the most bizarre propaganda, weird thing you've ever seen.
I'm gonna dip my bandaged toe, yes into that water. Yeah,
even though I was told not to put in water

(20:36):
made Oh you did here? That's like gossip. Okay, it's
almost like these days that's yeah, it's this that story.
I can't believe it totally. It is.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
I love that it's out because it definitely was like
I think when you told me to have you watched it?
I was like, well the parents did, right, And then
you watch like how could I have thought that?

Speaker 1 (20:58):
And it's like this is it's because they have told
you exactly. Because the tabloid media is evil evil, It's crazy, yeah,
and they justify anything. They'll do anything to sell a paper,
including like you know, including the things that they did
to the McCanns, it's just insane.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Totally, and we have to watch the Mommy Dead and
Dearest fucking play screenplay.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Patti Arquette, Yes, I have to see that. I haven't
seen that yet.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
I actually was so excited and started watching it with Vincent.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
He was like, I can't do this. Watch it alone.
Murdering us yes, probably at munch Houses by proxy is
so specifically awful. It's just dark.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, And I was like, well, I'm not gonna know.
I won't watch it, but dude, I can't wait. But
it's not for people who are not And I was like, what,
this isn't anything we can watch this and he couldn't
deal with it.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
No, no, no, it's because it's kids. I know it's kids.
I know it's terrible, but God bless Patti Arquette. What
a talented actress who's persevering despite the fact that she
is munch housing. No, we're not spreading those This isn't
a documentary about Patty or stop spreading that rumor. That's ludicrous.

(22:11):
And the idea that even that you gossip it all
is sad truly. What is wrong to beerate listeners? Just
get them in line A little bit. I would swear
that I'm first. Is that right? Yes? Oh it must
feel great.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Well.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
This is also the I feel like the first time
we've done two in a row in the studio in
like four years. Two in a row and we've been
home for more than three days. Yeah, like I'm living
my life. I'm getting MRIs. I had one dinner with
a friend and I'm.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Just like, you're out and about look at me doing
things like a normal human being.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
I am. I have reached a level of cuddling with
my dogs. That is, I feel like my dog George
is having a real emotional impact from me being gone
so much, because she gets up into the bed and
then cut and snuggles up onto my shoulder where I'm like,
we're here, like I can't, you can't get closer to me.

(23:10):
She wants to be like I want if you leave,
I want to feel it. I want to know. Yeah,
it's very sad. Also, she's the size of a small horse,
so it's not like normal cuddling with pets. It's like, oh,
look the horse is here.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
The.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Needy, emotionally needy horses here are her emotional support. That's right.
Oh god, I'm wearing I wear a little blue vest.
When she's around, You're okay, George, and she's like you
can touch her. It's okay. Strangers wre like why you
can pet how a dog are you? What kind of
dog are you? That's sad and sweet. It's very sad.

(23:46):
Leaving this weekend. Yeah, but the butt I'm going to
take them to the to the old dog camp so
they never know because that is water and pools and
stuff like that. I mean, take me there for okay weekend,
please take me there? Please? Well I'm first, great, So
here we go. Okay. Karen, Yes, you know I love
some fucked up shit. Yeah you did that goes all

(24:07):
the way to the stay right. I always say, oh,
are you going to tear down some majors established? Maybe?

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, this is the mysterious death of Karen Silkwood.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yes, I haven't either of a denman or thought of
it at all.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
I watched the movie. Yes, I will get to that. Okay,
I tried. Yes, I've seen the movie. I tried to
watch it again. It's available nowhere right really surprisingly except
on YouTube, of course, and it's it's available on YouTube
in the left hand corner of the screen.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
First, and the.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Rest of it is someone's like screensaver.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Space. It's like like literally outer space well coming at you.
That's how the director wanted it, he seemed that's the
original intent was.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
That it was going to be shot and presented that way.
You can't understand all the words, No, I would they gist. Yeah,
So I did my best, and I watched a lot
of it.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Great.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
But if you're I bet you anything, your fucking dad
has a v VHS copy of it.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
If he does, I'm telling you that you're getting the
combination of a fresh eighties Share. Oh and then Meryl
Streep at the height of her shit. She is so
fucking good in this movie, and Share is amazing. Yeah,
as we all know, everybody's everybody's got a hairstyle in
that movie that I go like, I need that hair
is the hair that would make me seem just generally appealing.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
I could see SHARE's hair on you, like a big, curly,
long thing.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
It's what I've always wanted. You need that. But I
Share has the perfect face for it, because she has
like a long, dramatic, you know, very beautiful face, like
it doesn't hide behind her hair. Right, I have a
Campbell's soup kid face. So when I have dramatic hair
like that, it looks like I put my mom's wig
on and I'm running around the living room.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Maybe you need to get a cut out of a
Campbell soup can and wear it is a like around her,
like you know, like a sandwich board.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Maybe you need that. And I could just make a
little bit more money from the Campbell soup people. Who's
that She's so beautiful? Oh my god, she loves soup,
and I mean beautiful, like the way a weird baby
is beautiful. She's soup and she's beautiful. She's super super beautiful.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
Shit.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Okay, I got a can of wine? All right, me too?
Not really, did you eat that bug I killed? Okay?

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Karen Webster's Dictionary defines the word whistleblower as one who
reveals something covert or who informs against.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Another wow serious.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
And a martyr as a person who sacrifices something of
great value for the sake of principle. Essentially, you and
me miory of our life. Can we stat being not?

Speaker 1 (26:55):
I just like that. You just started off your murder
this week the exact way every he started off their
dramatic speech like presentations in high school, where it's like
Webster's Dictionary defines a friend, as.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I was thinking more along the lines of a really
bad best man speech. Yes, like all of those things combined.
I did that, and there it was.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
You did it, and you did it great. I thought
you were going to go Webster's Dictionary defines a whistleblowers.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
I can't whistle, so I couldn't do that. Whe woo,
wheat woo. Fuck I should missed an opportunity.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Sorry, you were right. Let's edit that together. This is
why you were their fucking script writers. Yeah's okay. So.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Karen Silkwood has been described as both those things by
her supporters, as well as a fucking crazy person by
those who wanted to bring her down the man. That's right,
let's get into it, okay. Karen Gay Silkwood was born
February nineteenth, nineteen forty six. She grew up in Nederland, Texas,
which is about one hundred miles from Houston. I forgot
to tell you all the places that I got a
lot of good information from cool Romeiro Institute dot org.

(28:02):
There's this great podcast called The Knower Dispatch by Lucas
Strow who does just Texas mysteries and murders.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
And shit, oh nice, yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
A bunch of Time magazine articles and PBS like everyone
knows everything about this thing already and they're way smarter
than I am. But here we go. I took a
little from everyone. It's I mean, it's a story that's
been around for a long time.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Y yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
So so Karen Silkwood. She and I didn't know this
about her. She was super fucking smart in high school.
She got straight a's and she was really into chemistry,
which I didn't realize. I thought she just got a
job at a plant, but no, she was really smart.
After graduation, she got a full scholarship to study medical
technology at Lamar, which this is in the early seventies,

(28:44):
and women didn't get this fucking opportunity as much.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Right, right, I mean I would assume, Yeah, sure.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
I think she was the only there's something like that,
she was the only female on her in her science class,
or you know that's not right. So she but during
her first year of school, she accidentally falls in love
with a dudecent I mean that's how it feels to me, Okay,
and drops out of school to a lope and have
three children.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Sure you know the old trope, Sure, but I love
the old trope love that's so gross.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
In nineteen seventy two, they have a they're having fallouts
and shit, he's cheating on her, and she and her
husband separate and part of the terms of their separation
is that he gets full custody of the children, which
I'm sure there's some crazy story that is not told
that we don't understand. So she leaves the family. She
visits the kids often, but they're really young kids at

(29:39):
that point.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
It sucks.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, it really sucks. It's like you want to think
of her as this like but that sucks. But what
do you can you do? You don't know the circumstances.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yes, So she.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Leaves her children behind and she moves to Oklahoma City
and she finds a job in nearby Crescent, Oklahoma at
the Kier McGee plant. It's a ker McGee is a power,
powerful energy base conglomerate, one of the big wigs and
a big wig in Oklahoma's nuclear power industry, which I
guess is a big fucking scene.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Okay, I mean I didn't know that, is it? Still
to this day? I doubt it. Maybe I'm stop asking.
I don't know why I keep doing.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
I think that whole area in that part of Texas,
as far as the Nowhere Dispatch tells me, is that
that is a big fucking industry for oil and for
power and energy.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Like, yeah, there's probably a lot of rich people there.
I bet that's very true. Yeah, a lot of people
working for them. Yeah, and all like it's the energy,
it's oil industry. But then like that money begets alternative
energies and totally, you know, from growing up, all anyone
was ever trying to figure out is how to basically

(30:47):
harness nuclear fission. Why am I trying to talk about this?

Speaker 2 (30:50):
I mean I want to hear Okay talking about this,
and I want to hear your thoughts on Silkwood the movie,
because I you know, I didn't watch the whole thing,
but I still want your opinion on this, because you remember.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
This, it just feels like that's it was really the
direction where people are like, you know, better living through chemistry,
but it's a it's an area where that it can't
really be controlled the way people say.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
And it became scary at some point, like in the fifties,
you see all the nuclear technology, and people were really
gung how on it. But this is the time when
it started to kind of not be so popular, right, Okay,
So so she gets a job and she stoked to
get back into her passion of science after having stayed
home to raise kids and shit. And she gets a

(31:31):
job as a metallography technician at the plutonium plant and
she essentially helps make plutonium fuel rods for nuclear reactors. Wow,
just makes me think of the opening credits of The Simpsons.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yes, that's all I know about, when the fuel rod
just bounces away, Yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, I mean it's I feel like the Simpsons probably
stole some of this off of You know.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
I think The Simpsons is entirely based on Silkwoid and
they just don't They won't acknowledge it. Marge is Karen
silk Wad they won't acknowledge.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Okay, So her duties there include polishing fuel rods packed
with radioactive plutonium pellets.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Fun.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, of course we know. Plutonium is one of the
world's most deadly poisons. I'm sure the girls at this
podcast will kill you can tell you all about it. Yes,
it's highly radioactive and kier McKee had gone out of
its way to downplay the dangers of it, of course,
and they're like employee handbooks and shit, it's health manual
saying in capital letters, you're ready for our new shirt.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah, radiation is safe. No, that's our new shirt. Oh
that's good. Radiation is safe. Yeah, but all caps, yeah,
screaming it diagonal and then with some like kind of
lightning bolt things coming from the side. It's coming out
like a shooting star, and underneath it says, don't worry
about it, real small. Yeah, we got you, Yeah, we

(32:48):
got you. Radiation is safe.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Okay, So, and this is true if the metal only
comes in contact outside the body, but so it's kind
of true. They were kind of lying. But once it
enters the body through the nose or mouth, there's this
barrage of these sub atomic like bullets into soft tissue,
wreaks havoc on your body, and a dusth size speck

(33:12):
of plutonium is widely thought to be able to cause
cancer if caught in the lung, like that's all.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
It takes death size. Yeah, shit right, not good.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
So while with the plant, Karen Silkwood joins the oil,
chemical and atomic workers' union, which in the seventies the
unions were fucking hip as shit, right, well, they were
very necessary, right, Oh yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, there's a lot of workers. Because also when you
first started talking about this, I was like, wait, this
is not Normal Ray. This is a different movie than
Normal Ray because it's the same era. Like Normal Ray
was slightly earlier, and that was basically about unionization. But
both great movies, same feel powerful women getting it done
in real life.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yes, So she joins this union, which is you're right,
very necessary. There's a strike not long after she joins.
The strike fails, which led to a bunch of the
workers there leaving the union, but Karen stayed. And part
of the reason is because she was elected to the
bargaining committee of the union, which was the She was

(34:12):
a first fucking woman to be in this position, which
is huge, which I'm sure made her not want to
quit the union, even if she's mad at them for
you know, not whatever. So, as this bargaining committee member,
she's charged with investigating health and safety issues at the plant,
and as she did, she began to find some red flags.

(34:34):
She sees spills, falseication of inspection records, inadequate training, health
regulation violations, and enough missing plutonium to make multiple nuclear weapons.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Jesus Christ, where did it go? You buried the leaf? Yeah?
But also people aren't putting the container back on the
cottage cheese and the refrigerator, which there's spores. I mean,
can we please clean up after ourselves. She's missing plutonium.
Your mother doesn't work here? Yeah, what if it set
that up with the plutonium? Your mother doesn't work here?

(35:06):
Put it back, put it back.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
So in the summer of nineteen seventy four, Karen Silkwood
testifies to the Atomic Energy Commission in Washington, d C.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Which is a big fucking deal.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
And I'm sure they didn't get a lot of women
doing that about all the findings she finds at Kier McGhee.
So at this point it's possible she's pissed off a
few different groups of people.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yes, Okay, So there's the people who had the people
who are workers there who had left the union and
saw that she stayed and she was a scab, and
that pissed them off, right them the company itself, ker McGee,
who was like, keep your fucking mouth shut, and they
were pissed off. And also the workers who were worried
that all these proposed government checks that she was trying

(35:47):
to get into place would make the plant close.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Down and leave them without a job. Right, So that
she you know, she riled sit up. And also dudess
didn't like women in power, I mean, simple as fucking that.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Sure. Well, and I think there's that thing of there's
that's the problem with like if there if there was
issues with the union and then all those workers left,
but she stayed because basically she is like, but this
has to get solved, because this is going to like
r have to solve it at some point because the
option can't be no more union when it's still the

(36:21):
workers with you know, trying to deal with the company.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, and we need the union to get to the
bigger picture. Even if we're not thrilled with the union.
And the workers left the union, they didn't leave their jobs, right,
they still work there with her.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Oh okay, so she's still in the union. They leave
the union, be okay, guy, if they stay with the jobs.
So she's got enemies fucking everywhere, it seems that way,
and she's right, which is the worst fucking feeling. So
that's part of this whole mystery of her death. So
on November fifth, nineteen seventy four, she does a routine check.
What you see in the movie.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
You just have to like kind of like put your
hand over, you know, some kind of scanner and it
beats and fucking goes crazy. If you have plutonium, you
don't want it to happen. It happens to her. So
she discovers she has been exposed to over four hundred
times the legal limit of plutonium. So if some people
think that it was done purposely as a retaliation by

(37:14):
one of those groups, that's like one of the.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Things she would expose herself to four hundred times plutonium
radiation that one of.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
The workers like put it in her gloves, I think
she was going to have like they purposely made her
get a plutonium poisoning.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yes, yeah, so that's one of the theories.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Karen herself thought it was a deliberate act by those
in power at kier McGee, which is another option, and
of course it very well could have been because one
of the many safety issues that were going on at
the plant, Because at kier McGee they were issues between
nineteen seventy and nineteen seventy five there were guess how
many reported exposures to plutonium.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
There were between five years. Let's see, if there was
five a year, that would be bad. That's twenty five
hundred and seventy four No good, huhuh. So it just
was a constant. So if you worked at this power plant,
you would probably die of radiation especially or get some

(38:16):
kind of a cancer. Yeah. And of course then you
have their doctor saying that that's the legal that's less
than the legal amount that you're like a lot to
be exposed to.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
It won't cause cancer, You'll be fine. You know that
kind of debate going on.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
This is a real Aaron Brokovitch situation where it's just
like pagenia going it's okay that you're your poison is
being leached intep groundwater.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Well, it's the thing like, this is not the same
but like with peanut butter, you can have zero point
five percent insect parts in it, yes, and you're like, well,
I don't want any insect parts and that's like on
eat peanut butter.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Then yes, I don't you know right exactly, But it's
almost like the company is saying, look, we're all gonna
get poisoned by plutonium. Let's grow up. Here's you only
had a little yeah, fuck up, motherfucker. Yeah, or it's
but it's that thing. And I'm sorry to equate it
because but I do love the movie Aaron Brockovich. But
when they sit down to negotiate with the Pgenie lawyers

(39:12):
and they're fighting back and forth, and then one of
the lawyers takes a sip of water and she goes, oh,
we had that brought in from Hanford or which you know,
Lamar wherever they were in central California, and they like
for freeze where it's those motherfuckers who would never take
the treatment that they are insisting other people live with.
They would never let their kids drink flint fucking Michigan

(39:32):
water nowhere. But they're saying, it's you're fin fine, you're fine. Yeah,
take a shower in that, you're fine, and we don't
owe you clean water too. Yeah. Meanwhile, oh oh yeah,
oh oh yeah, yes, okay, we go here we go.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
So and here's where I need to explain a little
bit about silkwood showers. Not like you know, I think
that you'll word it very well, because I didn't do
it well. But silkwodhowers have been like a joke, like
I need to go home and take a silk wood
showerfter being that bar because I stink, or like, oh
that guy talk to me, I need a silkwood shower.
It's like a joke, but it actually means something. It's

(40:11):
a decontamination shower. So when she put her hand over
that fucking alarm thing, the alarms go off. They grab
her and in the movie drag her to the decontamination showers. Yeah,
which are humiliating and awful, and you get stripped down
and you get held in place and scrub with a
fucking like wire brush, and they say to you, don't cry.

(40:32):
It'll make it hurt worse because you're the tears. The
salt of your tears get into the raw skin and
it hurts worse.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Jesus Christ. Yes, uh, yeah, I didn't know that part.
I didn't know the part about the wire that seems
I might have. I might be embellishing on the wire,
but it looks like a wire. It looks like a
wire brush in the movie. Yeah, I mean either way,
even if it's the softest brush in the world, to
have like three adults brushing you as you're as they're

(41:01):
trying to get contamination off you is horrifying. And it
seems like that's set up in a way where it
doesn't need to be that humiliating, but some pervos set
it up where that's the way it turned out. Oh,
you're being treated like I hate to say cattle because
I think they should be treated better, but that's just.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Such a And then the movie I remember the movie
what was that Angeline? The Jolia movie that was so good.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
God, there's been so many. There was the one where
her child goes missing and she yells changeling, the changeling
and she gets put in an insane asylum and they
wash her like that. Yes, do you remember that?

Speaker 2 (41:33):
And yeah, one of the one of the washers is
Riculine Home. It's really yeah from a garfun cool an
ounce fun fact. Everyone, that's amazing. Remember watching it? Like
riculin Home, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Ricky? There was there's also a movie that Bo Derek
start in. It was Tarzan from I believe nineteen eighty
and it was post after she was in the movie
ten with Dudley Moore and she became this humongous sex
symbol of the very very early eighties or late seventies
with her uh rylin braids. Yeah, her culturally inappropriate braids. Yes, Now,

(42:08):
back in seventy seven when everyone it was more of
a celebrated thing to exploit other cultures. But but she
then was in this movie. I think it was called Tarzan.
I think there was more to that name. But she
is the daughter of the scientists that's going to find
the ape man in the jungle and she gets caught

(42:30):
by natives and they wash her against her will, and
it's very erotic, it's so sexy. It's very like Cinemax
after dark type of shit of me and my cousin
Nancy sitting, I'm going, what's this, Like, this is just
the movie we're allowed to watch that. I know it's
not our fault that Tarzan turned dirty, but literally, she's
being washed. It's super weird and like it's very uncomfortable,

(42:50):
and she's like kind of whining and at one point
she goes, they're washing me like a horse. You should
be so lucky. But it is the same thing, but
it's more of the sexy version of it.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
There's got to be some fucking weirdo who made like
a two minute clip of shot women shot being showered
in movies, that's just so unpleasant. Yes, in the background,
there's the outer space screen saviors.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
You can see them all on YouTube right now if
you know what to look at. There's a scene like
that that's also in I think it's one of those
flowers in the attic style of movies where someone gets washed. Yeah, moms.
I feel like moms do it a lot to their
daughters in the d. C. Andrews series. Yeah, you're unclean,
bleach bath.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
It's like, no, no, don't do that anyway anyway, hot
invasive showers, disimpacting to contaminate, et cetera. Okay, so she's
sent home and they're like, collect your shit and your
piss and we're going to test it. Yeah, I'm sure
they said it differently, but how humiliating is that all

(43:57):
of it? It's like a further humiliation a little bit.
So she checks into work one morning shortly after this
and they test her and she registers high radiation levels again.
But then she was like, check my fucking car and
check you know, and there was and check my locker
and there was no radiation there. So there's something going
on where she was getting it there, and so Kiera

(44:19):
McGee dispatches a decontamination squad dig her house to test
her house, and they detect levels of plutonium in the
bathroom and the kitchen, and she says, when she was
trying to get her urine sample, she's you know, spilled
and that's why it was there. And they find it
in food in the refrigerator. The word blowney happens a lot,
a lot of blooney talk, a lot of baloney talk.

(44:40):
I don't want to go there.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Just Deli meats at all or bloney specific specifically blowney,
which is my least favorite Telli meat. It's pretty gross.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
It's in my refrigerator right now because I'm married a
Michigan guy.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Oh that's right, he does. He like a fried blooney sandwich.
And listen, he's not wrong. Look, look and listen. I
had a bolooney and cheese so much every day for
like three years. Do you hate it now? I just
don't even think about it. Yeah, like hot dogs, I
don't think about it. I don't think about hot dogs,
do you.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (45:08):
I can do hot dogs at any moment. Corn dogs
stop it right now?

Speaker 1 (45:11):
No, I know you love a mini corn dog. When
we go to like a gastro pub somewhere in Saint
Louis or whatever, and they have many corn dogs, it's
just like ding ding ding. It's George's birthday.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Gastropubs are fine, but I like a fucking dirty ass
bowling alley full sized corn.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Dogs, a real deal corn just as much. Yeah. I
don't need know fucking dipping aoli or whatever.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
You know, I don't need your fucking dipping Ali, if
you're Ali to yourself, pervert, okay, but her house is
fucking ransacked while they do it, like, and it seems
in a way that's like a warning.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
It could be seen as a warning too, like yeah,
you know, everything's taken, pictures of her children are taken,
like because there's plutonium in there. But it's also like,
you know, this is what happens to you. Maybe could
be one could read it that way. It's certainly not
a friendly search.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
No, okay, that's right.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
So on November seventh, plutonium contamination is found in her
lungs and she's sent to the Los Alamus National Laboratory
in New Mexico for further testing, and then she gets back.
So that was November seventh. She gets back and it's
November thirteenth, and she's like she's utter wits end, and
she's like, fuck this shit. I'm going public with all
the information I have that I found when I was

(46:23):
doing my kind of covert checks. She'd gathered enough evidence
documenting the plants wrongdoing, and it contained documents proving that
the kier McGee Nuclear Corporation was a missing forty pounds
of ninety eight percent pure bomb grade plutonium. Let's find
that bomb, right, you want that list the first Apparently
I'm going to start describing things as bomb grade.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
That's right. This is a fucking bomb grade corn dog,
if I could say so myself.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yes, did I already say that that was enough to
make four atomic bombs as powerful as the one that
destroyed Hieshima?

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Didn't I say? Did I copy and paste? Don't think
you read that particular copy and paste. It's that's a powerful,
full piece of information, that's right. So that's what's missing.
U Huh. That alone shouldn't get you like beaten up
or your pictures broken or whatever. That should be like,
thanks so much, let's go find it. Yeah, let's fix this.
It's a little problematic.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
So that night, that evening, she goes to a meeting
for the union, and then in the evening she is
seen leaving. It's November thirteenth, nineteen seventy four. She's fucking
twenty eight years old. Oh my gosh, can you imagine
like being such a I mean, I guess when you're
in your twenties your ballsy as fuck.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
But like that is brave. This is a woman going
up against everybody. Yeah, basically everybody, exactly tough. So she
is on her way to a meeting in Oklahoma City.
She's going to meet the national union representative of her
of the unions obviously, and a New York Times reporter
and the last person who saw her walking to her

(47:56):
car said they saw her with a folder fuld of
documents and photo that she said was going to fucking
prove her case. Yes.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Right, as she drove to that meeting, on a dark
stretch of road, Karen's car goes off the road at
a speed of about forty five miles per hour.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
It strikes a culvert.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
And it kills her, breaks breaks her cut. Well, sorry, sorry, no, no, no,
that's a great question. Is that a question or that
it's a guess. Okay, Well, Oklahoma state troopers show up.
They surmised that she had fallen asleep at the wheel
because that she did have qualudes in there, and it
did seem like that she had gotten a prescription because she.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Was stressed the fuck out. Yes, I'd need some fucking
QUAILI yeah, I mean truly, either a prescription or from
the back of Rolling Stone magazine. But you get me
some of those downers. Well she went, Yeah, she went
straight to her doctor. She's got no shame. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
So they and then the drug test in her autopsy
did show quaaludes in her bloodstream and a small amount
of alcohol, which I mean, like, who among us at
this very moment, No, I would never. We're on ludes everybody,
That's right. And so that, essentially, for the authorities, closes
the case that it was a single driver accident. She
fell asleep while she was driving, drove off the road.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
However, her family and her supporters are like, there are
break marks. Remember, You're like, there aren't breakmarks. Yes, there
were breakmarks. She skidded for like something was there? Yes,
So how do you fall asleep in the skid? I
mean it's possible.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
But I bet you that's not how it happens, because
if you're asleep, you're asleep until you crash usually, right.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Yeah, or you can wake up and try to write
the car and overcorrect and shit. But you know, their
theory was that she was asleep the whole time and
just went off the culvert. So that doesn't it still
doesn't add up. And they're also and this is more
telling for me, there are dens and paint scrapes on
her rear bumper. Yes, that of course leads everyone to

(49:51):
believe that she was deliberately forced off the road by
a trailing vehicle. And I think that this is a
similar scenario to the China syndrome that came out a
little bit later.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Was that also a true story?

Speaker 2 (50:02):
I don't know, but I think they took parts of
that and made it real. Oh oh, I'm not a filmmaker.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Wait a second, you told me, Oh no, no, no, you
may be eat tea. That's why I got into this
whole fucking thing. Oh shit. The filmmaking aspect most suspicious
is that the fucking documents were never found. Yeah, yeah,
never ever found. That's not the coeludes don't make documents. Disappear. No,

(50:33):
they don't fly out of the car and no one
finds them. Yeah, usually, especially if you go into a culvert.
That's when documents go all around the culvert everywhere. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
So maybe they did and someone grabbed them and fucking
gave them to the right person. Yeah, so that is
highly suspicious to me. And of course investigative reporters pick
up on this crazy story, and there's a series of
newspaper and magazine articles about the events leading up to
her death, and everyone at this point is kind of
turning on nuclear power and energy and seeing how dangerous

(51:02):
it is, and also seeing how few checks and balances
there are because they're making a shit ton of money
off of them, and the government stoked on that. Yes,
so the case is embraced by environmentalists, nuclear energy foes,
feminists as well, and civil libertarians. So everyone's like this
is shady.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Great.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
So because of this publicity, there's a nationwide demand for
an investigation, and a couple attorneys file a lawsuit on
behalf of Karen Silkwood's children and father. Oh I know,
not for wrongful death in her car accident, but for
wilful negligence leading to her plutonium contamination, which is like

(51:42):
such a sneaky thing to.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Do, but that's smart. I get him at the source. Yeah,
because you couldn't prove the car accident probably, but you
can prove this shit. So lawyers for Kier McGee argued
that Karen Silkwood had snuck the plutonium out of the
plant and intentionally contaminated it, contaminated herself to make them
look like leg Nope, so Kamakazi style, She's going to

(52:04):
make them look negligent by basically committing slow, terrible plutonium
poisoning suicide. And did they have purse checks?

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Like when you work retail and they check your bag
on the way out, they had to have that. Remember
those How humiliating those were. That's so funny because we
used to have those at the.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Guests or I'd be like, my purse is so nineties small.
I didn't steal one of your Rugby shirts? You yeah, hole?
And then when you were the manager and you had
to purse check other people and you're like, I don't
want to do this, just steal something, yeah people, it ours.
Actually it's funny because all of our managers were super
cool and everyone would just walk out and they just
like it was all a gesture. Yeah, as you supposed to,

(52:41):
like anybody's rifling through your stuff.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Right, everyone else put the pants, put the spree shit
in the in the garbage band back in the alley,
then go then go out, went to.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Your car, and then be like, I'm dumpster diving exactly
brand new. I didn't know that was the thing people did.
I never did that, not once, and how dare you
accuse me? Okay, so that was their argument, but they're
that argument too, is like, well that makes you look
negligent that an employee could just walk out with Like
that's kind of a not a good argument. No no, no, no,
no no no no no right.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
So like either way, they look like they have fucking
safety issues. And you know, if someone else had poisoned
her on the plant, that's bad too. So they also
said that Karen was emotionally unstable and her capacities had
been fucked up from tranquilizer use. They're trying to like
blame it on her. She said that they said they
said that she was in this fucking fight with her

(53:37):
union and the company and that she wanted to prove
that the plant was dangerous. By any means, and that
she was a Webster's Dictionary definition of murder.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah. Right, that was their argument, which is insane, Like
what would the point like, it's that the idea that
that's even they're able to present that as a logical argument, yeah,
when it's like, it's just a person trying to say,
you guys are lacking and you need to tighten your
shit up.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
And you know I can understand the like I'm going
to show them by like maybe a layman who didn't
understand the effects of plutonium and actually how fucking detrimental
it is. Like my sister and I used to break
open the mercury therometer and play.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
With the mercury. Yes, it was super fun. I told
my mom that ever the becoming she lost her shit.
Do not have Latchkik kids. That is so hilarious because
I remember a thermometer breaking and my mother, who never
freaked out about any shitting nurse. Yes, but she was like,
don't like and I was like, not anywhere near touching
it or interested in touching a little silver thing. Yeah,

(54:40):
and she was the screaming of don't touch that and
stay away from that. I'll never forget it. Because it
was just like, shit, she actually gives a shit about
something she said emoting toward about mercury worth money or something. Yeah,
she's so worried. I guess now I have to put
both hands into it, mom.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
I mean, I guess I would explain a lot that
I think my sister and I accidentally broke a couple
of thermometers.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Because the mercury. Oh shit, can this podcast will kill you? Please? Yeah?
To an episode about that. What if they're like and
the effects of mercury poisoning are toe tumors and a
weird back and starting a podcast that makes no sense?
A love of canned wine? What that's so specific and
across eyed Siamese. I didn't even get him until he

(55:26):
was a kitten. That's crazy. Okay.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
So, according to the book The Killing of Karen Silkwood
by Richard Rashke, who's like, like, this.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Is the book about it.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
The family's lawyers, he says they were harassed, they were
intimidated and even physically assaulted. One person like maybe skip
town and was never heard from again. Yeah, and one
person quote unquote killed herself before she had was scheduled
to be a witness, like some shady shit.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Shit.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
So in the end, the jury in the silk Wood
versus McGee awarded Silkwood's estate ten point five million dollars.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Oh shit.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
And that was in the early eighties, right, Yeah, like
the seventy VI late seventies, seventy four, No, seventy six,
seventy six ish, late seventies. That's easily like fifty eighty
million dollars. That's how much it is, is it really,
I don't know, fifty eighty million, fifty eighty million.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
That's fifty dash eighty million, fifty eighty million, that elusive number.
So not only was the largest settlement in the history
of American fucking judicial system, yeah, was the case established
new precedent and liability law. Our friend from the Hot
Coffee McDonald's story story that we all fucking hate.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
I mean, I don't hate. It sucks, it's the story.
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
So see, up until that time, there was a thing
called the Price Anderson Act, which puts limits on civil
liability pertaining to nuclear facilities. Sure there was, Yep, there's
a cap and how much you can sue for us,
We're ruining your fucking life and your family.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
That's what I wonder how cap, like a governmental cap
would get built into the law so we didn't.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
You would think that if something was so safe that
you trusted it completely, you wouldn't need that because you
trusted enough not to go wrong.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
And you'd think that the people that work in your
government care enough about the citizens of its own country
to not intentionally cover the ass of people who run
things like nuclear power plants or maybe even banks that No.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
I love that we're on the same page because like,
literally my last sentence and when I would were my
last paragraph, and when I was writing it at home,
Vince was home and I was like, yeah youre I
was yelling, shit, okay, Yes, we're going to get there.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yeah okay.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
So then there was so this case removed the limits yay,
and pretty much ended construction of all nuclear power plants
in the United States.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Great, we don't want them.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
On appeal that mountains reduced to five grand Oh my god.
But then they said, I'll only cover the the destruction
of Karen's personal belongings during the decontamination of her apartment.
They're like, we'll get you a new couch and shit,
that's all. And like they agreed, but then that's over
to the Supreme Court reverses that. Yeah they do, Yeah

(58:13):
they do, And it was headed to your retrial when
when Kier McGee settled out of court for one point
three to eight million, but they had made no wrongdoing
as part of the settlement. But either way, the plant
is closed in nineteen seventy six, fourteen months after Karen
Silkwood's death. Wow, because of oversight. Shit So now okay,
So now the general public has already been fucking starting

(58:36):
to be anti nuclear plants. This makes it even worse,
of course, And in March twenty eighth, nineteen seventy nine,
meltdown and radiation leak of the reactor at the.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Three Mile Island. Do you remember that?

Speaker 5 (58:49):
Yeah? I do.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
I feel like there's so many like it's from this
time period of like I can hear Three Mile Island
or Chernobyl or you know, silk Woid and get like
this is like, even though I don't remember the details,
it's like, this is something very fucking bad.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Yeah, because you know, well for me being like uh,
you know eight or nine when that happened. It's back
when there is only network television news Network news, National news,
and it was on like at seven, and then you
watched it then and everybody watched the same shit. So
when three Mile Island melted down, we all sat there watching.

(59:25):
There was just a helicopter shot of over three Mile
Island and them just talking about how we don't know
how we're going to contain it, we don't know if
it's going to go into the water supply, like this
entire thing where everyone was frozen in this realization that
this had gone out way too far past anyone's control, right,
And again it's that feeling all like you can't trust

(59:46):
the people that are making these decisions because they're going
to pick a monetary gain over safety every fucking time.
And that's why all those I think, all those like Ego,
that's how the Green Peace echo like Warriors came about,
because they were like, these people won't be stopped. They're
truly sociopaths and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
They're not going to be affected by it. You the
people have no decision over whether it happens or not,
are going to be the ones whose children have to
drink that water, Yes, who have to breathe that I
mean everyone has to breathe that air.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
But you know, yeah, and it's it's similar to like Flint, Michigan,
where it's like they will they will poison all of
us for eleven dollars in another yacht. They will fucking
do anything for money. These people that are in charge
that rise to the top because sociopaths rides to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
The topaglo fucking maniacs. And you think they're going to
stop and be like, well, I don't need that extra
fifteen cents on the dollar, so let's just let's make
them good water.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
No, they're not going to do that. They're never going
to do that right now, Okay, So that happened Three
Mile Island happens. In nineteen eighty three, the Academy Award
nominated movie silk Woods, starting Meryl Street share Kurt Russell
sheds more light on Karen silkwood suspicious death and the
issues with the nuclear power industry, and as a result,

(01:00:59):
Karen Silkwit's story kind of opens the public's eye to
all of this shit going on. Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
And in the years since that happened, she's become a
murdyr for unionists, whistleblowers, and those opposed to nuclear power.
And while it's no doubt that it's like not a
question she had been exposed to plutonium. There are still
questions of you know, people still say, did she deliberately
contaminate herself? Did she come into contact with it because

(01:01:25):
of lacking safety standards at the plant? Or if your
death is a deliberate act by the all powerful nuclear
industry that had been enjoying the lacks rules imposed on
it by a government whose main concern wasn't the safety
of its citizens but of the military industrial congressional complex
and the few elite wealthy illuminati. I don't know where
I was going. I was tired who, unbeknown unbeknownst to

(01:01:45):
pleaves like us, have sole influence on public policy. We
can fucking vote all they want all we want to. Yeah,
that part out.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
It's those lobbyists. Yeah, No, I mean this is this
is everything that I think is coming to a head
right now in our culture. Is basically what Donald Trump
represents is that unchecked megalo maniac maniac and sociopathic greed,
greed above all, money above all, and in a way

(01:02:16):
where it's like that idea of like why would you
why would you fight to keep a thing that's killing
all these people? So that you can buy another boat
when you won't be able to sail anywhere because everything
is going to be dead.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
But they think it's going to happen anyway, so they
want to be safe and they don't want to share
any of it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
And then you see shit like my mom and I
who don't get along and we scream at each other
because we have different views of whether or not Donald
Trump should be fucking president. But it's like they want
us please to yell at each other about it because
then we won't we won't spend time looking at the
bigger picture, which is that we're fucking puppets. Yes, and
this is this greedy, fucking and you know, both sides
are these greedy meglo maniacs.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
There's a few good people out there, not enough, not.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Enough, And I yes, I think it goes all the
way that it And I think maybe what they didn't
see coming and couldn't imagine having to contend with is
fucking Karen Gay Silkwood and they had to put her
down for that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
M h.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
And that's the mysterious death of Karen Gay Silkwood. Wow,
that's like, it's so odd because it's so relevant today
it's all that stuff, union stuff. It's like, yeah, it's
the workers and people. Mmm, I'm not. I wish I
had an education because it's really it's quite a discussion,

(01:03:35):
but I mean, yeah, it's people can people can make
a difference. I mean, like, I don't think Karen Silkwood,
in the midst of that shit that she went through
maybe even thought it was worth it. Because it's let's
actually try to think that out for a second. They're
accusing her that she intentionally poisoned herself with plutonium to

(01:03:55):
set up her the nuclear power plant she worked out
to make them seem less safe. That still doesn't account
for all the missing plutonium, right, So if she did
that in order to draw her the eye to it,
then we owe her a debt of gratitude because that
plutonium is still gone. Who owns it? Where did they

(01:04:16):
sell it to? Who can make a nuclear bomb?

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
If you asked the dude who wrote the Killing of
Karen Silkwood, it's to our own government, and we sold
that plutonium to other countries. Sure, and if you look
into our past governments, look into it, it's not a surprise.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
I don't know it. And tell us what you want
I don't want to look into it because I just
watched the Metal McCann documentary and it was hard, really hard.
I can't handle more of that. I just don't need
any more of the mercenary psychopaths in this world that
will do anything for money. Yeah, it's just such a bummer.
It's such a bummer. Uh wow, that's that was great,
Thank you. That was That was a fun pseudo discussion.

(01:04:57):
We just dive deep. So okay, I'm obsessed with Chernobyl.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Yes, the photographer friend of the podcast, Robin von Swank,
she fucking went to Chernobyl. He took all these photos
and talked to the people who still live there who
wouldn't leave, like the Grandma's and shit, so von Swank curiosities.
There's just a shit ton of the most gorgeous abandonment
porn in Chernobyl, of all fucking places.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
And it's that's such an amazing use of her talent.
She's she's the same photographer. She took our picture that
we use now, the most current picture, and then she
also took the Murder Squad Boys picture. That's right that
it looks like it looks like it's a podcast picture.
It also looks like they're a really rad a country band.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Yeah, or they are like joint authors of a like
like crime novels, sure, which I guess the kind of
our I don't know, I mean kind yeah, true, true one.
She's super talented.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Go and look at all of Robin Vance von Swanks
Van Swank, all of Robin von Swanks stuff, because she's amazing.
All right, tell me a story.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Do you want to hear a story? I just I
just cracked a new can of wine. I can finally
sit back and listen instead of trying to spout you
relax for once. Why don't you take any.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Mom have a night on its wings? The dark things
got wings? So this is a This is a story,
and there is so much more to it, but it's
one of those ones that happened at the end of
last year. Because you know how everyone's want I like
to do a let's update true crime happening in the

(01:06:33):
real world. That's freshy, a freshyat like the time that
I reported on the guy that all leaves in his
fucking living room and it was from seven years prior.
I like a freshye okay, so oh which yeah, we
met and now I'm gonna guess and say that that
was in Des Moines. We met women who knew that

(01:06:56):
murderer who had the leaves in his living room and
had plastic bags of leaves pinned up to his all
across his wall. Look at a photo of it's it's
creepy as it sounds. It's really crazy. And one of
these women who somehow knew him. I can't remember if
it was like some distant relative or ex work made
or whatever. They said. It wasn't that They believed it

(01:07:19):
was purely for insulation because he wasn't paying for the
heating in his home, so he's just taking the leaves,
which I said, he's really going out of his way,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
It's like I get that, and it's like, but it's
still a fucking bananas solution.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
It's a banana solution, banana solution executed bananas la right,
And it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Make you more sane, but it makes sense. It's there's
a there's at least there's a line of logic to it. Yeah,
it's still so it's not just like leaves everywhere. Is
he jerking off into these leaves?

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
But at the same time, yeah, well I don't kill people, Please,
don't kill people. And if you feel like you need
to bring the outside into yours, which is you know,
design wise, it's a great aesthetic. But if you're if
you're being literal about it, call a friend, get a
you're uh. So, this is the story that happened at

(01:08:16):
the end of last year where a serial killer named
Sam Little made a confession because he had been arrested
in a cold case. Do you remember this because I'm
not telling you anything.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
I wish Yeah, what if you were like and I'm
not telling you anything.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Yes, until you know, okay. I got most of this
information from an LA Times article written by James Queally
q U E A L. L. Y from when it
came out. There was also an amazing article, uh in
the Cut on the website The Cut, and the title

(01:08:53):
was the serial Killer and the Less Dead and less
Dead was in quotes written by a writer named Jillian
Lauren and that thing was very long and very involved.
And then of course the great great Wikipedia. Oh anyway,
oh yeah, shout out so much of this shit. I
mean I had to look up Nuclear Industrial Complex just
to make sure I was saying it right. Were you

(01:09:14):
clicking clicking within link within link. You're on four.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Pages in Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you Wikipedia.
This is how we learn, this is how we grow.
So it has wings. The darn thing called Wikipedia's got wings. Okay,
So in twenty twelve, there is a detective on the
LAPD Cold case team. The lead detectives at the time

(01:09:39):
was named Mitzi Roberts. Yes, which I love because she
sounds like someone that would book like the improv in
the eighties, like, oh, did Mitzi put you on? That's
from the comedy Store. But so, she was the lead
cold case detective and she brought her team to Louisville, Kentucky,

(01:09:59):
within a rect warrant for a seventy two year old
man named Sam Little. They brought him back to California
to face three charges of murder. He was convicted and
he was sent to jail without parole, and that seemed
to be that until last May twenty eighteen, when a
Texas ranger named James Holland came into town to talk
to Sam Little and thus began a conversation that four

(01:10:22):
months later evoked a stunning confession that Sam Little had
murdered over ninety women across the United States, totally do
you remember this?

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Yes? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
And did he did he come in from Texas on horseback?
That's how I picture it, the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Texas Ranger that came in a million gallon hat whatever
they call him, Yes he did. He it was a
big horse called an airplane. But I think Texas Rangers
still do wear the hat. That's part of the uniform.
Cool is the hat, and like I think really tight
wrangler jeans. Yeah, but you'll look it up. And then

(01:10:58):
and then a cowboy shirt from Lee Western Ware. Great, okay,
junior section right, Okay. So this man, Samuel Little was
born on June seventh, nineteen forty in Reynolds, Georgia, and
he claimed his mother worked as a sex worker. She
gave birth to him during a prison stint. Once she

(01:11:20):
gets out, they moved to Lorraina, Ohio. She is still
a teen. I think she was nineteen at the time, honey.
So he is abandoned, basically and raised by his grandmother.
So it's a tough. The start of life is very
tough for him. He's a bad student. He constantly gets

(01:11:42):
into trouble. So there's other stuff going on. In nineteen
fifty six, he's still in high school. He gets arrested
for the first time for breaking and entering on private
property in Omaha, Nebraska. We've been there, we've been there,
and we know what it's like. We love it. He
serves time in juvie briefly. Once he's released, he goes

(01:12:02):
back to Ohio, drops out of high school, starts his
life of crime. So in nineteen sixty one, he breaks
into a furniture store in Lorraine and gets arrested and
he's sentenced to three years in jail. So he gets
out in nineteen sixty four. In the late sixties, he
moves to Florida because that's where his mom is. He

(01:12:24):
picks up odd jobs there. He's an ambulance attendant, he's
a cemetery worker. Oh, he's a day laborer. But he
makes sure to keep up with his passions petty theft
and fist fighting. They're hard to give up. I mean,
we truly have the love. And when you're good at it,
and when you can combine the two, oh what a high.

(01:12:46):
During one stretch in jail, he takes up boxing. So
he's doing like basically, don't let don't do that. Yeah,
I mean, that's what else you gonna do? She shouldn't
be allowed in prison, he starts getting serious about his training.
It never really goes anywhere, but he basically trains to
be like a middle heavyweight boxer. It's an honest fucking job.
I mean, if you're being if you're honor, you're going

(01:13:08):
to be honest about it and not a creep of
Then over the next ten years, Sam drifts from town
to town. He makes a living shoplifting, stealing money. He
spends the majority of his money on alcohol and drugs.
He hangs out with sex workers and their pimps. By
nineteen seventy five, so in a bad seventies exploitation movie

(01:13:29):
or a black exploitation movie, he would be referred to
as a bad dude. It just that's my opinion, that's
editorializing in By nineteen seventy five, he's been arrested twenty
six times in eleven different states. Damn going for a record. Yeah,
so he's all over and the charges include theft, assault,
attempted rape, fraud, and just to change it up, attacks

(01:13:51):
on government officials. So seven years later, September of nineteen
eighty two, a twenty two year old woman named Melinda
Laprie goes missing in Pasca Gola, Mississippi. That sounds right,
I mean it felt good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Yeah, Mississippi listens to this podcast, so we're never going
to be corrected on that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
We'll see, okay, And here come the letters through the
letter slot, the digital letters. Okay. So, Melinda La prie
is a sex worker and Sam Little was known to
have spent time with her, so that, plus his very
long record, gets him arrested for Melinda La Priz's murder,

(01:14:32):
but a grand jurbury declient's to indict him. While he's
being investigated for Melinda Lapriz's murder, he becomes a suspect
in the murder of twenty six year old Patricia Mount
in Florida. So when the grand jury passes on indicting
him for Melinda La Prieze murder in Mississippi, he's transferred

(01:14:54):
to Florida, where he's then tried for the murder of
Patricia Mount. And during this trial, witnesses test of that
they saw Sam Little with Patricia Mount the night before
her disappearance, but without any other damning evidence, the prosecution's
case falls apart, and in January of nineteen eighty four,
Little is acquitted of Patricia Mount's murder, so then he

(01:15:14):
immediately moves to San Diego. So in October of nineteen
eighty four, less than a year out of prison, Sam
Little is arrested once again for the kidnapping, beating, and
strangling of twenty two year old Lorie Barrows, who was
left He left her on the side of the road
for dead, but she was not fucking dead. She was
playing dead until he left. She survives. She reports the

(01:15:37):
crime to the authorities, and she identifies Sam Little as
her attacker, but there's a delay. It takes the police
about a month to find Sam Little, and when they do,
he's in the same place where he assaulted Lorie Barrows
the month before. And so when they find him, he's
there with another woman that he has just strangled, who's

(01:16:01):
unconscious in his car, in the back seat of his car. God,
So they arrest him and the woman survives. So they
get there like just fucking in time.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
But I'm so I know what's gonna happen now, Like
this is the part where everyone in the audience claps
and then you turn to them, or one of us
turns to them and says, why are.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
You You know how he's going to go clap now,
don't clap now, I have four pages left, mind, You're
going to break your own heart. Yes, yes, that's how
this always is, because you can see it so clearly
in hindsight. If if Lorie Barrows comes to the police
and says, this man just attacked me, strangled me and
left me for dead, everybody they should all be out.

(01:16:43):
It shouldn't take three weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Well, they look at her record, and maybe she has
some arrest or some record, and so they say, well,
who fucking cares. Yes, Paul Hols will say this is
not how it happened. Today acknowledging that that's how it happened.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Then yes, you know you can't not acknowledge it, right,
I mean, and that's the best thing you can do
is say this is these are the old attitudes. We
have to change it. Yes, we have to change it. Yes. Okay.
So now that he's been caught red handed, he's found
guilty of his crimes against both of these women, and
he's sentenced to how many years in jail? Four? Yeah? Four?

(01:17:21):
That was the same time, right, Stephen, You'll say that
that was perfectly at the same did that happen? Because
I thought you were going to take two more seconds,
and then I was like, it's this, I'm setting it
up to be a disappointing place. It's going to say five. Yeah,
it was fucking it's for any ends up serving two
and a half years, fucking for the attempted murder of
two different women, like a month apart. So he is

(01:17:44):
released again in February of nineteen eighty seven. Let him go,
and where the fuck does he go? South Central Los Angeles.
So this is from Jillian Lawren's article from The Cut quote.
Ravaged by the crack epidemic and the Reagan administration subsequent
war on drugs, So Central became a playground for predators
during that era. Up to seven sexually motivated serial killers,

(01:18:06):
including Lonnie Franklin who is the fucking grim Sleeper, Chester Turner,
Michael Hughes, Our Boy, Richard fucking Ramirez from the Devil
and Louis Crane, and Sam Little himself, operated with near
impunity in the area, according to local law enforcement and
community activists. Holy shit, yes, so they not only you know,

(01:18:29):
We've talked about this a bunch of times. The Grim
Sleeper murdered sex workers and black women in South Central
Los Angeles for twenty years. It went on so long
that it is it's the kind of case you almost
can't cover because of how extreme it is, how extensive
it is, Like, you can't do it justice. Really, I
can't do it justice lech, you'd say.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
I can't do it without totally insulting the police force
because it's you know, it's a really hard case to
cover with.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Empathy or understanding toward a police force who literally were
making up slang of what to call black sex working
women who would get murdered that were And that's what
this Jillian Lawren's article is about. That's what she's referring
to as the serial killer and the quote less dead
because it's like saying that these women are less dead

(01:19:21):
than other people, that sex workers are less dead when
they get killed because they quote A deserve it or b.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
They live in the lifestyle that's a little more risky.
So somehow they were asking for it for.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Drug use, like the thing where they're trying to pin
on Karen Silkwood where it's saying, oh, because you do
these things in your life, you somehow have a hand
in this, you deserve it. You were asking right, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
If it goes even higher up, it's the fucking government
not putting enough police force in the fucking South Central
So they're dealing with these day to day insane, fucking
things in this crack epidemic that they that the fucking
government started to begin with.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
So they go that's what this episode is called. Essentially,
this is the it's the same, uh, it's this it's
this standard serial killer narrative turned on its head because
there's no process, there's no cooling off period, there's no build,
there's no intrigue or you know, for lack of a

(01:20:17):
better word, to this serial killer process. No alarms are
sounded when these missing women disappear. It's a psychopath taking
advantage of the ugliest parts of society's truth in that
some people's lives count less than others to the authorities,
and these men especially of course uh Lonnie Franklin. But

(01:20:40):
this guy Sam Little just went in and exploited that
fact and did exactly what he wanted to do. And
to illustrate that, there's an amazing pull quote that's just
sitting on the side of one of the uh the
side of the cut the cut article, and it just
says he'd done three months for assault and rape, he'd
done three years for robbing a furniture store. And that's it,

(01:21:03):
in a nutshell, that's it right there, what we value
and how the law works for those things. Okay, So okay,
So basically, this is another quote from that cut article
quote they began working up So when the cold case
team went in, they began working up a dossier on him.
So Sam Littlehead aliases Samuel McDaniel, Samuel McDowell, Willie May Clifton,

(01:21:25):
and Willie Lewis. The detectives ran rap sheets and arrest records,
pulled prison packages, did vehicle searches. When the results began
to pile up on her desk, Mitzi Roberts unflappable cool
gave way to astonishment, even anger. The question wasn't where
he'd been hiding all these years. He hadn't been hiding.
He'd been committing crime after crime in plane fucking sights.

(01:21:49):
The fucking isn't in that quote end quote. Sorry, Okay.
So this cold case team in twenty twelve gets a
grant from the National Institute of Justice that allows them
to launch case this cold case special section. So they're
tasked with screening DNA evidence to link and possibly solved
cold cases from the LA Area. So Sam Little's DNA

(01:22:13):
is in the database for those attacks that he only
served two and a half years for. So when they
screen old DNA samples from the several cold case murders
in the LA Area in the late eighties, they find
a match. Sam Little's DNA matches the DNA found on
two unsolved murder victims, Audrey Nelson, who was killed in

(01:22:34):
August of nineteen eighty nine and Wuadalupe at Badaca, who
was killed in September of nineteen eighty nine. So Mitzi
Roberts takes a closer look at Little in his background
and she and it confirms that he's involved in these murders.
He clearly has, you know, he has the record and
he's the only reason he's out of jail is but

(01:22:54):
like basically a technicolity.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
It's not even like he's trying to be stealth about them.
It's like, well, that's just waiting for someone to mask
them up.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Yeah, but doesn't He's probably aren't even thinking about that
part at all. So she pulls an outstanding narcotics warrant
that was against him from twenty two thousand and seven.
The DA agrees to extradite as long as she can
find him, so now she has to go figure out
where the fuck he is. Carmen san Diego, So.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
I'm super lately into getting someone in for a warrant
for violating their probation, but it's about a bigger thing.
So yeah, like they did a little fucking thing wrong,
or they were hanging out with someone who is also
a convict, and they pulled them in for that, but
they fucking have them on something else and they can
swab them for DNA, and yeah, that's how it starts.
I think that's a really cool trick.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
Yeah, because there's I mean, there's loopholes on both sides.
There's loopholes that will get people out of things. Hey,
you're like, what the fuck. But then that's also there's
loopholes on the other side to go, well, there isn't
an outstanding warrant for you for narcotics. Yeah, so we
get to pull you in. We don't have to, right,
we normally disqualified your normal rights, yes by that and
heraic and we get to do it. Paul Hols run

(01:24:02):
so LAPD Robbery Homicide Unit. Then discover financial records that
points a Little being in because he had Social Security
payments that he was putting on a prepaid Walmart card
in Louisville, Kentucky. So the US Marshall's Fugitive Tax Force
is sent to Louisville and they finally find sam Little

(01:24:23):
in a homeless shelter on September fifth, twenty twelve. They
arrest him and they extra died him back to Los Angeles.
He refuses to talk. Another DNA match comes in a
third victim, forty one year old Carol Alford, who had
been strangled to death and found in a residential alley
in south central so with three charges of murder. On

(01:24:45):
January seventh, twenty thirteen, Samuel Little goes to court for
the murders of Nelson, Appadacca and Alfred. It starts that
actual trials starts in September twenty fourteen. He maintains his
innoce throughout shut up. The evidence proves him otherwise, and
several women who had been Little's victims but escaped they

(01:25:08):
come and testify against him, and their testimonies, along with
the newly found DNA evidence, are enough to put him away.
So on September twenty fifth, twenty fourteen, Samuel Litle is
found guilty of the murders of Nelson Appadegat and Alfred.
He's sentenced to three consecutive life sentences with no possibility
of parole, and so he's just going to jail. But

(01:25:29):
now the FBI decides they need to run a full
background check on him since he clearly is a multiple
murderer and possibly a serial killer, and that leads them
to discover compelling links in his history to many more
cold cases. His travel patterns, for one, lineup with the
timing of several cold case murders, including one in Odessa, Texas.

(01:25:52):
So in spring of twenty eighteen, Texas Ranger James Holland
the one that we were talking about, along with ViCAP
crime analyst Christina Palazzolo and Department of Justice Senior Policy
advisory and VISCAP liaison Angela Williamson. These are all the
jobs you can have in law enforcement if you want
to go in there, you can fucking just work for

(01:26:13):
VISCAP all the time. Yeah, do it. They go to
California to interview sam Little because they he wanted to
get transferred to a smaller prison The prison that he
was in in California was out in the desert. It
was one hundred and five all the time. It was
really crowded.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Maybe there's like fucking crazy, mean prisoners that they don't
want to be in the population with. Yes, that's a
I think that's a great tactic too, is trading being
transferred to a better There are better prisons than others.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Just smaller. He wanted a smaller, quieter because now he
was in his seventies.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Well, good for fucking him, but also like let's solve
some cult cases, right, he had something to give.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
And so that's when James Holland from the Texas Rangers
came out. So he basically James Holland says, I will
take you to a prison in Texas where it's much smaller,
it's cleaner, it's quieter, there's barbecue, Like you might be
able to get some barbecue there every once in a while,
and you might be like he was kind of the going, yeah,

(01:27:10):
there's these there's a bunch of perks, but we need
to know about these cold cases in Odessa, Texas. Yeah,
And that is the conversation that he has over a
four month period with James Holland, where he eventually confesses
to ninety over ninety different murders that took place between
nineteen seventy and two thousand and five. He begins this

(01:27:33):
confession by simply naming city states and the number of
murders he's committed in each location. He's like a fucking
Israel Keys style serial killer, where he just was kind
of went wherever he felt like going and didn't have
a lot of connections and just kind of killed sex
workers and women of color that were in situations. And

(01:27:55):
because he was trained as a boxer, what he would
do was be the shit out of them and then
when they lost consciousness, strangle them, but then leave them
in the in you know, say a motel room or
an alley or a place where if they are known
sex workers and known drug edicts, the cops would look
at their body and say that's probably from the drug

(01:28:18):
overdose or a job whatever or whatever. Yeah, And basically
all of the detail of the murder would get lost
in the lifestyle that the authorities were looking at when
they saw the dead body. So basically he sam little
goes into deeper detail. He can describe the events of
every murder with staggering clarity. He's also a talented artist,

(01:28:43):
so he starts he has drawn many of his victims
from memory that are in that in the cut article.
That's the top picture. It's this series of portraits that
are kind of cool looking where you're like, what's this
and then you look down and they were all drawn
by him. Oh God, that creeps me out so much.
It's super creepy. So among the murders confirmed who have
been committed by Little is the January nineteen ninety six

(01:29:05):
murder of twenty four year old Melissa Thomas. He as
he recounts it, met Melissa on the one day on
the street in Opa Lisa's, Louisiana. They drove to a
cemetery to use drugs. While they were there, they moved
to the backseat of the car to have sex, and
while back there, he began to stroke her neck, and

(01:29:25):
he even recalls her saying, why do you keep touching
my neck? Are you a serial killer? And in that
moment his temper flared and he strangled her to death.
She was twenty four years old twenty four. Her body
was later found naked beneath the pican tree in a
cemetery behind a Baptist church and one question about the
details of the event. Little was able to recount the
layout of the town with such accuracy that authorities were

(01:29:48):
able to confirm his involvement. So he remembered every fucking
moment of it, basically. After countless interviews with Sam Little,
detectives have described him as quote you're evil end quote,
a charismatic psychopath. So far, of the ninety three murders
he's confessed to, the FBI has corroborated thirty nine of

(01:30:11):
them holy with quote many more pending, Oh my God
again from the cut quote. So far he has described
ninety three killings. Thirty nine have been confirmed by available evidence,
like those of Rosy Hill he killed in nineteen eighty
two in Marion County, Florida, Daisy Maguire killed in nineteen
ninety six in Homa, Louisiana or Holma, Louisiana. Nancy Carroll Stevens,

(01:30:34):
who's killed in two thousand and five near Tupelo, Mississippi.
And Little's first murder, a blonde woman in Miami, which
was recently confirmed but her name has not been released.
And again this is restating it. But he's dodged the
arrest by targeting low income neighborhoods and areas with particularly

(01:30:56):
high numbers of drug addiction and unsolved murders. He said, quote,
so I can go into my world and do what
I want to do. That's his attitude about it. The
other factor contributing to the ability to dodge the efforts
was his method of killing, which, as I explained, he
basically because he used his hands on them, there was
They would always assume there's no bullet wounds, there's no

(01:31:17):
stab wounds, there's no overt signs of a murder case, and.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
So there's no defensive wounds either, probably because he knocked
them out impially.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
He just like punched him out and then strangled them
to death. So no foul play was ever suspected, and
most of the deaths were attributed to drug overdoses. Holy shit, today,
Littles in poor health. He will likely stay in the
prison until his death. So the goal now is to
verify his victims and provide closure and justice in the
unsolved cases. So VISCAP is hoping that this case will

(01:31:48):
serve as a reminder to every jurisdiction of the importance
of consistent violent crime reporting because when you actually investigate
the death and you see that it's a violent crime
and you put it into VISCAP, they can start tracing
these people who are who are perhaps serial killers around
the country. Yeah, and five hours ago, there was this

(01:32:08):
story that I just found from today, from fucking five
hours ago. Like literally, the headline said, pro prolific serial
killer draws more victims after confessing to ninety murders, including
one in Houston. And basically he drew a picture of
a new person and the authorities sow it more like
who is this? And basically he had created sixteen drawings

(01:32:34):
of the victims based on memory. He's recently added ten
more drawings to the collection. Why we don't need that
little creepy bit, like this is a terrible enough story
that this part is like yeah, but guess what, five
hours ago there's a brand new creepy bit where it's
like he's got it all up in his head. One
of the victims, only identified as a black female between
twenty five and twenty eight years old, was killed in

(01:32:56):
Houston between nineteen seventy six and nineteen seventy nine, or
in nineteen ninety three. The FBI said they're not sure.
The drawings include victims from Charleston, South Carolina, Cincinnati, Ohio,
New Orleans, Louisiana, Savannah, Georgia, Kendall, Florida, and North Little Rock, Arkansas.
The California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation inmate locator shows

(01:33:20):
Little is currently in custody at the California State Prison
in Los Angeles County. This is a continuing story of terrible,
horrifying serial killer Sam Little. So is he a suspected
of more crimes in Los Angeles too or in California?
I don't know specifically, just more crimes. So yeah, it's

(01:33:43):
basically when he decides to tell the Texas Rangers or
whoever he's still speaking with about the details.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
That is unbelievable. I mean, insane, awful, so crazy, great job.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
Thank you to me. When this story broke, I was
just like, man, this is another one of those grim
sleeper stories where it's just someone who got to do
what they wanted for forty years.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
And how many more are there like that? And how
many families are hoping that someone gives a shit about
their fucking loved one who died and no one investigated
it and right, the fact that DNA is gonna fucking
come for you, and.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
It's it's fucking crazy. I mean, it goes all the way,
it goes all the way. That's motherfucker. Let's change the topic. Okay,
thing good, what's I want to say? Great job though,
that was Oh, thank you you did that really well,
thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
Fucking hoorah. I have it, you know, just some light ones. Yeah,
let's go light this week. New therapist?

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
Is that light? Yeah? Okay? Great new therapists I'm connecting
with now after three sessions. I really like her. Awesome.
She's got crystals in her I don't know all the
stuff you love.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
Yeah, stuff I don't like. But I think people who
have their shit together have you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
Like her.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
She has a geode a coaster essentially like a coaster
that's made of that's a hexagon, that's marble. Okay, she
is like, oh, you have your shit together?

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
Okay, Yeah that weird. No, not at all. That's I
told you. My first appointment with Michelle, my therapist, I
looked around and everything was mid century and moss green,
and I was like, this is crazy. You can where
I belong. Absolutely, if you can match your furniture. Hello,
I can tell you about Janet. Okay, the trust is there, there,
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
I'm getting to house to remodel a little bit and
pick out like tiles and shit, which also means that
I get to be bossy, which is hard for me.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
And I'm learning how. No, it is not your high
as a kite. That's all you do.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Okay, you're right, but I love it and I could
do without feeling guilty because I'm paying her.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
You should not feel guilty anyway. You get to do
what you want. I know. I'm in this life. I'm learning.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
I'm trying you get to okay, especially with shit like tiles.
What if I was like yeah and I just squatted
into the piss on the.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
Carpet, then we take you to your favorite therapist and
then Regulin home startles me the fuck down in the
mental institution. And also, okay, I Binge watched pen fifteen,
which is just the word penis yet the number FI.
It's just I get it. Yeah, it's on Hulu.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
It's this their original show and it's like a combination
of strangers with Candy meets to Grassy and I don't cry.
I'm talking to my new therapist about that. I cried
in two episodes whoa, And it meant so much to me.
It was such a beautiful show and so well done
and great acting and just and also weird. And it's

(01:36:41):
also kind of a miracle that it got made because
it's just a weird show, but in a great way.
And in the same way with Strangers with Candy. It's like,
it just meant a lot to music. Beautiful show, that's awesome.
Pen fifteen. I've heard so many good things about pen fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
Yeah, yeah, I should watch that well, I would say
on that. On a similar note, I've been watching There's
a Bunch of Miss Marples that's that are on Miss
Marple Is it's Agatha Christie's character, where it's the old
lady that basically keeps showing up at places and being like,

(01:37:15):
what's going on here? But she's a nosy Nellie. She's
a nosy Nellie that's as smart and observant as Sherlock Colms.
So she goes in and is like, but I noticed
that you had that broach on yesterday, and it's really
delightful and in this series that I'm sure was BBC
or some British Network. There's several different actresses that play

(01:37:37):
her because it was on for so long and the
character's old, so the actresses were on the older side.
So there's a couple different and they're all amazing in
their own way. But it's just it's that thing that's
getting me through at night sometimes where it's just like comforting.
It's so comforting. But then you look at it and
there's the casts are amazing, the directing is amazing, Like

(01:37:59):
it's actually great television. Yeah, that I kind of put on,
like no, this old, funny, old lady and it's like
I love this shit.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
It's almost like you can do both. You can have
this like binge watching thing that you put on in
the background, but I can also be really well made
and that's like nice too.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
Probably it feels good. Yeah, but I will say this,
this is a little bit bigger and maybe a little
bit more philosophical. But the other day, So my new
thing lately is I'm just blow drying my hair just
so that like you know, I've I spent five years
going I don't care what I look like, it's evident,

(01:38:34):
and so it's this is my new way of turning
it around and just being like, when I go outside,
this is what I just go, like, what do normal
people do? And then I try to do that too.
So blow drying my hair is a big thing because
when my hair is not blown dry, I look a
bit like a lunatic. And at least when it is,
it's just like you kind of feel a little bit better.
Your hair looks styled right now. And I think I've

(01:38:56):
seen you both un blow dried and blow dried a lot,
and it does. And I get it too. My hair
is fucking insane and if I don't blow dry, it
look like you're crazy. Aunt.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
Yeah, and your hair I can tell the difference, and
right now it looks like an expensive styling.

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
Thank you, I did it. You look beautiful. But I
have to say so, it's just that thing where I go,
I don't know what to do right now with myself,
but I just know that I have to take I
have to do the little things and I just have
to figure out what I want to do and do them. Yeah.
So I did. So I did my blow dry plan
and at one point I went to Gelson's and I

(01:39:30):
walked up and it was just that thing where I
think I feel a little bit better about myself. I'm
making eye contact with people. I'm having a good time slouching.
I do it too. You're slouching along and just like
feeling shitty. And I have that thing now where when
I when I am on the heavier side, I get
really embarrassed in public. I don't want to make eye contact.
I don't want to be in public. I have a

(01:39:52):
lot of like very very mean to myself. It's like
a shame shaming yourself. Yes, I do the game of
throne shame walk. But in Gelson's grocery store. So I'm
in the grocery store with my hair and my new attitude,
my ton of mouse skara I got, and I walk

(01:40:13):
up to the yogurt section. There's a miss Marble style
old lady standing there staring at the yogurt in the
area I want to be at. So I'm standing kind
of daggonly over to the side, waiting for her release
so I can go in and get my fage yogurt.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
And there's zero percent or two percent. I like two percent. Yeah,
you gotta have a little fat in there. You gotta
have it's more filling, it's good for you. Zero percent
it isn't Why are you? Don't worry about it, don't
pretend to eat. Let's not be crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
So, as I'm standing there waiting, I see movement in
the back and I see some yogurts getting stacked up,
and then I hear this voice go, miss, do you
need me help finding anything? And I was like no,
I'm oh, I go do you know where the big
fags are? And he's like, it's right over here. But
it's just I can see the outline of a guy.
And basically he and I had a full fucking conversation

(01:41:00):
and he was like, missed you want me to come
out and show you where it is? And then you
start laughing. I'm like, no, I can see it. It
was right there. I'm like, God, he wanted to come
show you his yogurt? And then I find it. I'm
like take it down, and he goes, is there anything
else I can help you with? And I was like, no,
I think that's it. And he's like, I hope you
have a great day and miss, and I'm making him
sound younger than he was, because it sounded like a

(01:41:20):
man and from the sixties or forties fifties, it was
fifty style customer service for sure, but it just was
I couldn't stop laughing as I walked. I was like,
thanks so much, thank you so much for your yogurt experience.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
Do you feel like you're being acknowledged a little more
because you're walking around with confidence and eye contact and
people are like noticing you as a human being and somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
To interact with in life. I think what it made
me realize is I think I've spent a lot of
my life thinking I didn't have to bring anything to
the table, and still that I would be just in
complaining that I didn't get anything from the table where
it's like an even exchange. So if I want to
meet someone interesting in life, I have to have eyes

(01:42:01):
up yogurt conversation at the ready, like it's you have
to be prepared to do it and be the kind
of person somebody might want to talk to you through
the yogurt fucking stalls.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
And I think an addition to that is not someone
who you think, why is this person talking to me
like they're making fun of me or they don't care?
They instead of being like that I am a worthy
person of being spoken to, and I can bring that
confidence to them as well, and they're attracted to that,
and I'm attracted to theirs.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
Yes, right, I think so. I mean, like I it
made me feel like a pretty lady the way he
was trying to give me dairy area service. I get
a dairy going. But it was that thing where I
walked away going The only thing different about me from
a time before till now is the fact that I

(01:42:47):
kind of went, well, I'm going to the store with
this hair, like, yeah, I want to be in the world.
And you know it's hard, not the hair, it's the
confidence it gives you. Yeah, the hair is great too,
Hair's fine. Mescara is nice. I mean I look a
little dead without it, so it does help. You Gotta
put on some lipstick. You don't want to look like
a corpse. From the messages from Pat Kilgara from the Beyond, Damn,

(01:43:09):
it's got wings. But then the dark things got wings.
But then sometimes it's like then sometimes some fun thing
could happen. I feel like that was so out of
my realm for so long. You know, what you were doing?
What blurting to know that flirting? What the know was flirting?

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
That's you guys were flirting were we, which is when
I'm single, one of my favorite fucking hobbies. Flirting is fun.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
I'm terrible at it. Try it. It's stupid and ridiculous.
But no tell me how, because see my problem is
I try to go for the joke as if anyone
gives a single shit that I'm like, here's my word play.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
Workplay's good, but like in a like well, I'm gonna
get you, I'm gonna I'll shove but.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
Well, darry all over here. I don't know, ship war
sticks a butter up? What's that you say? Like? This
would roll told me to tell you?

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:44:07):
I just got what's her face voice? Did you hear me?

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
Go? Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:44:09):
The one I'm flirting? This is my voice. Oh, I
don't recall I'll shove the dairy. It puts the dairy
in the basket. Oh, I don't recall something pink. Pretend
you're Janet for my mom for a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
Well, she loves a blowout. That's the first thing I
ever noticed that she gets a great blowout. And she's
the biggest thard I've ever met. She goes far with anyone,
she's great at it. Why, well, I think she's hot.
Fucking shit all the time. She is, she is, she's hot. Ship.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
But like if you're like some dairy guy says something
to you, it's it's like sarcasm. It's like pretend they're
a gay guy that you would have a conversation with
and be like, well fuck you bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
But like do do so? May you want to fuck?
That's flirted. Shit, that's flirted. That's a great easy translator
with your gay guy friends all the time. Yes, and
you don't realize it because it's just normal, it's natural.
But that's you need to treat strake eyes like that too.
That's a great idea. Everyone's gay from now on, everyone's gay.
You know what I mean, aren't we all? Then we

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make it a quote that's the perfect ending to this
episode to quote who to quote Kurt Koba and everyone
is gay? Oh Kurt? Remember there he goes. Corporate rock
still sucks? Am I right? Buddy? Yeah? You ruin my
life with your weird attitudes and your heroin problem. Did

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you do that? H Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
This has been intense. Shit, this has been fucking lights
off exactly right office.

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
We covered every single topic. Are there any more? No,
it's just the end of the podcast. I think it is.
Can you feel it? Can you feel it ebbing away?
And feel it in the air. Let's let it go
and know that there'll always be another dairy section to
come flirt with. Yeah, thank you so much for listening
to this insanity. Yeah, stay sexy and don't get murdered.

(01:46:02):
Goodbye almost you want a cookie.