18 - Investigateighteen Discovery

Karen and Georgia's favorite murders this week are creepazoids Lawrence Singleton and Franklin Delano Floyd, and boy, do they fucking suck. Plus lots of small (murder) talk and personal stories plus all the staying sexy and not getting murdered you've come to know and love. Enjoy, murderionos!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Okay, right, I can I can match your volume? Can
you match up you? Yes? I was gonna sing that.
You don't. You don't want that. I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Oh, yes you do.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Don't make me sing. I'm bad at it.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Elvis is getting the fuck out of it. Everyone's a
good singer. When you sing like that, when you're saying
like a Jingles thing, you're good.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Watch your hand on the you're already doing it. Okay,
maybe we should get like Mic stands hold.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
The mic like Marilyn McCoo. Who's that the host of
Solid Gold?

Speaker 1 (00:52):
You're too young. I get, I get what you mean,
but I don't know who it's down war.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
We can't held it like this too. You're just pinching it,
That's what I got. God, are we on?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Well? That whole thing was the opening up?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Oh good, good?

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Sure quality? That's quality?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Shit right, Maybe don't.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
We're trying to make sure that our MIC's or let
this sound quality is legit.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
What do I sound like?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
You sounded, miz? Maybe don't. Maybe let's not. Let's try
not to touch the cord since I know rules this week,
Maybe don't get comfortab.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Could you please sit up straight?

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah? Maybe stand on one foot.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
I was definitely way too loud at the beginning of
last episode.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
I've never noticed that.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Uh I cried in my car because it sounded so obnoxious,
but I did. That was the day I had a
pour over coffee. Oh cold brew, coffee, fuck cold brew.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
I think maybe a little lower, Okay, because you look
so uncomfortable, I am uncomfortable, hang out. I have never
noticed a weird like. I've never noticed it weird. But
I'm busy laughing my ass off at us. So when
I listen, So you look so uncomfortable, get comfortable, just
be a a. I think you're fine. Okay, Yeah, guys,
have everyone happy. Let's okay, say we're gonna we're gonna

(02:05):
take that whole part off. No, we're not. Well.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Go to my favorite murder, behind the scenes, behind the scenes,
behind the crime scene. It's the This is the director's
cut of my favorite murder.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
You know, in a minute ago, I wrote something down
and I was like cracking myself up. Yeah by it.
Yeah when I know what it was. Yes, okay, because
uh oh, well, I guess we shouldn't truce the show.
You just did it.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
I did, I did, And they know our name I'm
Karen Colgaraff. Yeah, that's the voice you're listening to right now,
is Karen.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
But like, I think you have like a gravelly sexy voice. Yeah,
I was trying to make it sound kind of sexy.
You stay sexy, yeah, and I try not to get murdered, right,
and yeah, you're a murder voice. Fucking my voice, man,
I sound like a cartoon character, like a bull, like
the little like female bully cartoon character.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Be careful of what you say because our voice is
not very similar. People talk about it all the time,
I know, but people have a hard time.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
I appreciate that. Okay, So I was gonna say, we
should we have to do what's it called when you
like do a wrap up in the beginning housekeeping housekeeping?
But I sudden maybe instead we should call it crime
scene clean up. That's what I so hard. Well, you know,
because this is the problem of having self esteem. You

(03:20):
just think you're very funny.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, you're getting a real big head. There's so many
problems with having self esteem, right, this is one of them.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Just it's a spiral of liking yourself and it's disgusting.
It is.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
It never goes well.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
No, you need an intervention. Eventually, you were definitely driving
toward a brick wall. But I'm but I think I
am doing a great job driving that car.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
That's right, you're like, check this out, I'm shifting into
third boom reality.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
But I am good at stick shift. Me too.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
My father taught us. It was very important that we learned. Yes,
how to drive a stick not lug the engine, not
grind the gears is very important.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Even know what any of that means, because I never
did it. No, that's not sure. I used to grind
the shit out of that thing, but I knew how
to ride drive it.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Well that's good.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, I think that's such a badass lady thing to know.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
You know what, it's actually a prerequisite because then any
situation that you're in it if you get into a car,
doesn't matter what car it is. You should also learn
how to hot wire cars. You always have a way out.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Well, here's another thing. Did you watch the Move the
movie with Here I Go Again? No, you got it
with Kirsten Dunce Whart's the End of the World. Yes, okay,
So like none of the cars start anymore because they're
all electronic and computerized and so once that shit cuts out,
you're gonna have to fucking hot wire so many two
dots and that's right, and get the fuck out of there.

(04:43):
And you know that's what it's. Stick shift.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
You'd stick shift if you get on a hill, you
don't have to hot wire it. You take that emergency
brake off, you throw it into seconds and you start
rolling down the hill and you pop it into gear
and it will go.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
I used to drive it, have a little vespa, and
you'd have to do that all that run like I
give it a run start yep. Just terrifying.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got it. Standard shift. Everybody speak
to learn it an End of the World podcast. Also,
it's much easier. It's one of those things where like
you know when you were little and you did know
how to tell time, and you're like, this is impossible.
I'm never going to learn it.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
When I was little. Recently, it just takes me an
extra beat. Yeah, you gotta think.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
It's a thinker, Yeah, you gotta think about it. But yeah,
driving a stick shift, it's an H shape H formation. Yeah,
first gear top of the H, second gear bottom of
the first stick of the age. The middle part is neutral.
Then you're going into third over at the top of
the third.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Stick, and you know what, when it comes down to it,
I mean, if you're getting if you need to get
the fuck out of there, burn out that first gear
and just fucking just go, just go.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Throw it in a second because actually you can lug
it a little bit in second and you can but
get you can get more speed. This is a very
real thing I have pictured in my mind right.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
How do you do this? I feel like we're helping
one person every time.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
We do every time, but also just get some like
dude who might even like you a little bit, who
would be willing to spend half an hour in the
CVS parking lot with you and just drive a stick shit.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Around ten minutes of that is giving him a hand
job as a thank you. Yeah, it's just your hand too.
That's discussed. No, I mean you gross, what's wrong with you? Then?
Use all of that should get cut out for sure.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Okay, now starting now, Hi, welcome to my favorite We're
the worst people, stupid best people.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
We're the look.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
I'm just trying to help you and relax after a
long day.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Sure of work. Yeah, we're doing it. I don't work,
but we're doing it you do I kind of work
therapy today. Oh that's work? How was it great? My
new therapist is because it's not new anymore. But you know,
when you the times I'm bat like my therapy is
the best is when I go in there being like,
I don't know what the fuck we're going to talk

(06:57):
about today. I'm doing great. Yeah, I'm feeling good, like
I don't have a thing to like bring to her,
and then it's like the best day of therapy.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yes, because it kind of blindsides you. Something comes out
and then you're like, holy shit, because it can lead
anywhere m hm as opposed, like, here's this problem, right,
it helped me walk through.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
It, right, It's like it's the background to what to
when you do bring her a problem, she's going to
be like, here are the little things you've already told
me when we didn't have anything to talk about. That
are that are the reason you're doing this fucking thing.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Also, things can dawn on you when you have days
like that where you're talking and then you go, wait
a second. That's why I got so upsetted. For real,
Yes you can't.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
I was just gonna say, what was it was all
sex stuff? So I'll tell you after about the fucked
up porn I'm into, but I don't want to talk.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
About it on the book. Is this R rated X?
We haven't really gone into sex that much personally on
this on this podcast, I feel like that is not
a necessary thing. That's not our area. I feel like
there's probably plenty of podcasts that do that. Even had
hand job joke was very off color for us. Oh,
there's got to be high schoolers listening to this, which
they love hand job jokes though.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Oh yeah, okay, they know what hand jobs are.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
That's are you kidding me? They're like snapchatting them left, right,
and center. All they do all day housekeeping housekeeping.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Okay. We have t shirts available at my favorite murder
shirts dot com. They're only available till June first, at
which point the orders are going to be fulfilled and
then we're going to come up with a new shirt,
probably like the beginning of July. But this is the
last time for the time being that people really get
this shirt. Yeah, so you should go get one. We
promised that the first person we see wearing the shirt,

(08:48):
we will hug and then murder because wouldn't that be funny?

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah, that's the ultimate prize.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
And then thank you to the moderate. Okay, so on
the Facebook page that we're madly in love with that.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
We're now up to eight thousand people. It's nuts now
it's growing exponentially. It's my it's my home. Like, I'm
so in love with it. It's it's where I go
first thing every morning, I really do.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
It just makes me. It likes, it's made Facebook not awful. Yeah,
it's the best. It's all Facebook is to me. Yeah,
so we want to thank the murderators.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yes, the murderators right, Urge made that up earlier.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
I was really proud. Thank you. Ari and Alex are
our main murderators and they are fucking killing it. They're
the og murderators. They are original in the beginning, original
murderator night stocker, Elena Jesse and Kristin kristin An. I
just want to make Kristin Kristin Kristan. But but you're

(09:49):
all fucking I love it's all women. I love that
it's fucking and.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
I think some of the second phase murderators are European.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Right, so that like around the clock up on it.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, I think one might be in Australia. Right, and
I think one might be in let's I imagine her
somewhere in Scandinavian gone right. Oh, and then then then
a lighthouse in Greenland.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Just she only has a she has to ride a
bike to get internet connection, like a stationary bike. She's
just like doing it. Thank you so much, girl shape,
now that she's found us. There's also it's the shirt.
There's a lot of there's a lot of people on
the Facebook page that are making like that is just
going off yes cross and making their own crafts, murder

(10:35):
crafts we love. There's a girl who's making cross stitch,
like which I love when cross stitches. I have one
that says, bitch, please with your flowers coming out of them.
I like that.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
So her is her name Flossi or is the other
girls name Flossie?

Speaker 1 (10:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
But one's name Flossi and that I love that name
so much.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
It's genius. Okay. One girl is the girl who's cross stitch.
You can get stay sexy, don't get murdered. There's like
an ed gain one. Here's the thing fuck everyone, which
I clearly need to buy. She is killer cross stitching,
which killer killer with a K, cross with a k
and then stitching on Etsy go buy her shit. She's
in Indianapolis, which proves me wrong that I thought nobody

(11:16):
lived there anymore. Yeah, she does, she does, and good
for her. And you guys, thank you. You're fucking the listeners.
You guys are You're killing it.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
And then I think it's if Cross the church name
is not Flossy, then Flossi's the one that's making the
metal stamp a pendants right who. I don't think it's
an Etsy yet she's going to. Yeah, but she put
a picture up on the Facebook page and they're awesome.
There the best stay sex. You don't get murdered right
on your keychain or wherever you might want to put
it right.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
And I feel like, yeah, that's going to be the
next shirt too. Gotta be, Yeah, gotta be. People are
clamoring for it.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, well, you're going to get an official design going
and release that.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Mother.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
I'm feeling a little emotional recoil from telling my period story.
I think it was a mistake.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
We can cut it out, so stop talking about it, okay, bye,
because there's going to be no like recall. Oh, actually,
let's leave that part in because they'll know they fucking
missed and they're gonna be What is she talking about,
you guys missed? Oh?

Speaker 2 (12:13):
I one more piece of housekeeping. I have a comedy
show at the Improv Lab, which is in Hollywood. At
the Improv there's a they have a smaller room next
to the main room called the Lab. And Wednesday, June eighth,
at ten pm, Mine and April Richardson's show business class.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
She's at end of the show. We will be there.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
You might know her from Go Bayside, the great podcast
Go Bayside. We have a comedy show there and so
come to that if you feel like it, We would
love to have you. It's super fun and it's just
a bunch of different people. I know Guy Brandam's going
to do it. Jay Wyeingarten's going to do it. Chris
Fairbanks is on it. I believe Jamie Lee from Girl

(12:56):
Code will be there, lovely and.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
I gonna come.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
It's my birthday, It's Georgie's birthday that night.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Be in the audience. Please don't kill me.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
If you're around, don't kill Georgia during my show. I'll
get really mad at you.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Because anyone Leah and my tombstone saying June eighth to
June eight.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Oh that would be cool though, but not this Oh sorry, sorry,
it's a boring year.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
It's eighty six. I thought your point was different. No,
it was, don't do that.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Sorry I misunderstood. I gotta get back on on on
your wavelength.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
You guys missed a great period story. Oh shit, guys,
that was disgusting. Should we get into.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
The murder.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Favorite murder? Oh? Sorry, I don't know how to sing.
As I mentioned earlier, they didn't know that was.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Oh oh, here we go, guys. I'm going first this week.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
I think you're first. I think I am. I'm going
to get cuddled in. Yeah, I'm going to have this
half a glass of whiskey. Haven drank some of your whiskey.
I wish I could. I drank allmine already before you
were there. It was up.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, nineteen ninety seven, I had my less shit. God,
I was good at it.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
My therapist told me that we're doing an experiment where
I'm drinking two glasses of booza days just to see
how it goes. So I'm allowed to have to glasses
of booze a day.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Oh no more, no less.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, We're just like seeing how this goes. So it's
almost like, what if you don't feel like it? Oh no,
then I still have to force it down. Yeah, and
this is clearly like this was two glasses of whiskey
and one big cup.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well that's fun.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Does that count as one?

Speaker 2 (14:30):
It does to me?

Speaker 1 (14:31):
And there you go.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
If I was your therapist, Hell yeah, girl. I had
this realization when I was trying to think of this
week's because I get very like when I look at
the Facebook page, there's so many good cases, and there's
so many people over your passionate about the cases that
are their stories or just ones they like or I
think are fascinating. There was a guy that tweeted me

(14:55):
a case at his Twitter handle was at Arkansawyer, so
it was almost like Arkansas lawyer. And it was the
case of a guy I think his name was Bobby
Lee Foster or Bobby Joe Foster who killed his own mother,
Edna and decapitator and put the head in the local
church and then took the eyes and mailed them to Eisenhower.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
It what in the actual fuck? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:19):
It was crazy, But so I was kind of into
that thank you for sending that.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
I mean, you know, but I had a realization that
when we were talking about our kickoff murders, the ones
that got us kind of into it, I realized that
factually and date wise, I had an earlier one than
Diane Downs. And it it because it happened in the
Bay Area, and it's this Lawrence Singleton attack on Mary

(15:47):
Vincent and later murder of So I'll just tell you
about it.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Let's unpack.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Let's unpack this. It happened in nineteen seventy eight, so
I was eight years old and this was on the news.
It was like in nineteen seventy nine is when he
went to trial and all this stuff happened, and it
was on the news every night. My parents were livid.
They talked about it all the time.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
You must have just been You were there too, yes.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Because it was We watched the news together as a
family every night before dinner.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
I feel like, there's nothing more harmful for a kid.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, no one knew. I know, it was back this
was the late seventies where no one knew what was
good or bad for children. It was all just like
eat your cereal, go outside, try to survive, come home,
and then we'll watch the news together.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
It was a generation away from children after children being
coal miners, you know.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
It was that weird time in between coal mining and
children being carried their entire lives until they get to college,
right essentially. So I'm the last of the last of
that generation I lived. So here's the story. On September
twenty ninth, nineteen seventy eight, a man named Laurence Singleton
who was a merchant seaman. Always a bad job. That

(17:01):
Richard Speck was a merchant seman. Yeah, it's bad news.
I think it's what happens when you're like super fucked up,
but you're so fucked up you don't want to join
the army, so you're like, oh, I'll go out on
a ship for a while with a bunch of dudes.
So he picked up a fifteen year old hitchhiker named
Mary Vincent in Berkeley, California. Mary had run away from home.

(17:24):
She lived in Las Vegas. Her parents were getting divorced.
It was all fucked up, and she had friends in
the Bay Area and relatives, so she made her way
up to the Bay Area. But she was homesick and
she'd been on her own for a while. She had
a boyfriend that was bad to her. She left him,
ran away. She just wanted to get back home, sweetie.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
So she.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Is hitchhiking in Berkeley and a van pulls up and
there are two people hitchhiking behind her. Now, just so
you know, there's Mary Vincent herself tells this story on
an episode of I Survived. It was season for episode one,
and it is epic. I know you don't like survivors.
I fucking love survivors and things like this where you

(18:08):
get the first hand account of something. This story is
also insanely fucked up.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
I guess if there if she's it's been that long,
I couldn't go with it, right, and she's it's when
they can tell their own story.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
They're not you know that they're able. They're in charge
of this narrative and they can tell you what happened.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
And yeah, and like when it's a grizzled fucking bartender,
like cafe waitress and she's like this, this is what
fucking happened in me, I can deal with it. But
when it's like some like college girl whose life is ruined.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Now you well, because here's the thing, the saddest part
about it. But The truest part about it is it
happens to a lot of people. Yes, So when you
have one woman sitting there going abe, here's what happened
to me, ABC and D, you not only get that,
don't fucking hitchhike, keep your eyes open, pick up on
context clues. You have all that, but you also have survive.

(18:58):
And you can survive and you can't come out the
other end and help other people.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
And it's it's okay to tell your story, Like, you
don't have to keep this huge secret. There's other people
who have been through similar or worse, and you have.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
To tell your story. That's part, that's part of healing, right.
So so a lot of what I have here is
basically her first hand account. So the van pulls up
and there's two hitchhikers behind her in Berkeley seventy eight,
and the guy that's driving the van says he only

(19:31):
has room for one person and says it's Mary. Well,
the two hitchhikers behind her, go, don't get in that
van because they can see into the back of the van.
The whole thing's empty. There's plenty of room. But if
a person is saying he only has room for the
young girl. They go, don't take that ride. But she
was so tired she just wanted to get home. So
she was like, and he looked like a grandfather. Oh really, Yes,

(19:53):
he's this big, pot bellied, kind of grizzly old guy.
He was like in his mid sixties at the time.
So's she's like, what's that guy gonna do? Yeah, So
she gets in and she's really tired. She's been walking
and hitchhiking for a long time. So she says, I'm
trying to go back home to Las Vegas. He says,
I'll give you I'm going to Reno, but I'll give

(20:14):
you a ride to Los Angeles, Which is that right there?

Speaker 1 (20:18):
What? That doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. Why.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
So she settles in and she falls asleep.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Don't do it, don't do it.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
She wakes up and they have gone east and not south,
and she finally sees a sign. There's somewhere out in Patterson.
There's somewhere out by Modesta. There there on the other
side of the five.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
There's a lot of for people not from here, there's
a lot, especially in the seventies, there's a lot of
no man's land.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yes, a lot of especially in the Central Valley, which
is where he drove her out to. It's just all
empty rural farmland roads, little hills with an oak tree
on top. There's nothing. So so she notices that they're
going east. She freaks out, confronts him, says, what the
hell you're doing. He says, I'm sorry. I'm an honest man.

(21:07):
I made an honest mistake. Let me just turn around.
He pulls around. He turns around, starts going down the road,
and he says, sorry, I have to go. I have
to relieve myself. He pulls the van over. She's getting nervous.
She realizes this is now a bad situation. It's nighttime.
He's down relieving himself, and she looks down and realizes

(21:29):
one of her shoes untied. And she thinks to herself,
if I have to run for some reason, and I
could outrun this old fat guy, but if I have
to do it hurt. She's like, I gotta tie my shoes,
So she gets out of the van too. She bends
over to tie your shoe and she blacks out. He
hit her in the head with a sledgehammer. She wakes up.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
She's tied up in the back of the van after
our sledgehammer hit. She wakes up.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
She wakes up, so he just conks her out. Yeah,
she doesn't like, thank god, Yeah, she's When she wakes up,
she's tied up and she's naked.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Fuck and he starts raping her.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
He rapes her all night and into the morning, and
the whole time she's of course crying. She's fifteen years old,
crying whatever, and saying, just set me free, please, I
won't tell anyone, just set me free. Sometime in the
morning and he's finally done. He pulls her out of
the van, unties her and says, you want to be
set free, I'll set you free, picks up a hatchet

(22:30):
out of the back of the van, cuts off her
left arm. She's screaming below the elbow. She's screaming, freaking out,
going crazy. She grabs him with her right arm, going
freaking out. He takes the hatchet and he starts hacking

(22:51):
off her right arm. What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (22:55):
But this is weird. The craziest thing to me is,
as you're telling this, I'm like reminding myself that she's survived.
But it doesn't fucking sound like I know, I know,
it's it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
So she is holding onto him, but she falls backwards anyway,
and that's when she realizes that her right hand has
been her right arm has been chopped.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Oh, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
So she's all, of course in total shock, confused, losing blood,
looking and this is the most fucked up part of
her story.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
There's more fucked up than that. This is it.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Go it peaks in fucked upness right here. She sees him.
She's looking and like she can't understand what just happened.
And she's looking at him and he's flicking his arm
like this, he's flicking his arm out.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
No, she looks and her right hand is still holding
onto his arm. Oh my fucking you know, I just
got I gave myself chills and I know this.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Story because you had your hand in like dog, I
did it.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
So she passes out or she like kind of goes limp. Sure,
she's bleeding obviously profusely, losing blood, lighthead, laying on the ground.
So she just goes limp because she just doesn't know
what to do. She's now in the presence of a monster.
He thinks she's dying or dead. He drags her body
over to the railing and throws her over a thirty

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foot cliff. On the way down, she breaks four ribs
and he drives away. Now later on when the police
catch him, which they I'll just let you off the hook. Now,
the police police catch him and they put together that
the reason he did that is because he thought she'd
be dead and they did. He didn't want them to

(24:34):
be able to get her finger.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Difference, what did they Okay, who found her? How did
she get found?

Speaker 2 (24:42):
I tell you now, please. So she's down in this
fucking ravine and she's laying there and she's losing blood
like crazy, and she wants to go to sleep, but
she said that there's a voice in her head saying
you cannot go to sleep. You have to get up
so they can.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Catch this guy.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
So she puts her bloody stumps in the dirt and
the and makes a mudpack. So she stops losing blood,
Oh my god, on both on both arms. And then
she starts crawling back up the ravine thirty feet. It
takes her all night. Oh no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
That was the morning he dumped her over in the morning,

(25:25):
So she crawls back up the ravine. It takes her
all day. She finally gets up to the top of
the ravine and back onto the road at night, and
then she starts walking naked, covered in blood with two
stump arms. She walked for three miles.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
The first car that came up was two dudes in
a convertible and they saw her and they fucking sped away. Yeap, yes,
And she said herself in this I survived. She goes,
I looked like something out of a horror movie. She's like,
I didn't blame them at all, because she it was,
I mean beyond.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Something you'd see in a horror movie.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah, and on a far away like a deserted road
in the middle of the night, where there's no this
is out where there's no street lights, there's you're like,
she said, she was walking by the light of the moon.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
In my mind too, it's like these two dudes are
married men and they're gay levers, and they're they're like
on a clandestine you know, a romance thing. And if
they stop to help her, they have to call the cops.
They're going to get caught together. Yep. That's just in
my head. That's a that's very plus. So like hopefully
these aren't monsters.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
I mean, here's what I'm sure of. They carry it
with them this day.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yes, they imagine leaving a person like and then they
read the newspaper the next day and they're like, look
what we did, and she could have died. They could
have saved her, and then she could have died.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
But here's who did save her. Who She walks a
little further couple who was on their honeymoon. No, no, no, no,
who took the wrong exit and is driving around trying
to get back to the I five oh, which is
close enough so that Mary heard the noise of the
EYE five all all day and was like, I just
have to get back up because there will be someone

(27:17):
if I walk toward that sound. So that's how she
guided herself back toward civilization. These these people grab her,
put her in the back of the truck and say
we're going to get you home. And she said she
heard them speeding so fast you could hear the tires screeching.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
They get to a phone, can I say, real quick, yes,
half the people listening that the murderinos. Yeah, dream honeymoon
exactly exactly, Like what are you else? Are you going
to do? Fucking play Canaska.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well, because imagine you're like, oh, I've married I love
him so much. He's the man for me. Now, if
the man for you was one of those guys in
that convertible who was like, we have to get out
of here, you'd be like, you'd get out of my
life forever.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
I bet they're still together one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, they get her, they get to that pay phone,
they call, and they air left her to the hospital. Oh,
it wasn't even an ambulance situation. They were like straight
in so.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Oh honey, the relief she must have felt, Oh my god,
be in to be saved.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
So she sorry, I'm on the next page already because.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Youre's by the way, I want everyone to know, you're
like fucking telling this. You're not even looking at your notes.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Because this because I remember this happening when I was little.
I remember my mother being so livid, and she would
talk about Laurence Singleton, this disgusting piece of shit. She
would talk about him all the time. Well, because I'll
get into it, I.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Asked, she all this was all these were all these
details on the news.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
But it was it was a man who raped a girl,
chopped her arms off and threw her into it.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
That's enough.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
That was plenty. Yeah, because you can't. That's when it
was like, oh my god, that could happen. Total, that's real.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Even the word rape, like you don't even talk about,
like couples in fucking sitcoms didn't sleep in the same.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Bed, right exactly. Well, I'm not from the fifties, Georgia.
Oh my god. I mean that the Brady Bunch was
the so, oh my god. So she lost over half
the blood in her body. But from her hospital bed,
she described a picture of him so accurately to the
police sketch artist that Laurence Singleton's next door neighbors saw

(29:36):
it and immediately called the police, even though she was
friends with him and like knew him for years. She
was like, that's Laurence Singleton, that's my next orny.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
She's one of us.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
So, yes, exactly so, And I do have to say this.
In the article that I found that a piece of
information from, for some reason in the line it said
housewife and bowling expert.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Wow, I want their life.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
They really described her to a tea.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Really, I want that life, and that's a pretty good life.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
So they arrest Larry, Lauren singleson nine days later. I
liked to call him Larry Larry, And when he was questioned,
Singleton told the police that Mary was a ten dollars horror,
that he was passed out drunk in his van, and
that his other friend Larry is the one that attacked her,
and that there were two other hookers in the van.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
At the time.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
What a fucking monster, lunatic. So she testifies against him
in court. Got a girl with two prosthetic her two
prosthetic limbs on. She'd already been fitted for them. She
was still a teenager.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
I mean, that's that is a hard thing to do
on its own.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Now listen to this. As she walks out after testifying
against him, he whispers to her, if it's the last
thing I do, I'll finish the job.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Oh. I was hoping she'd say motherfucker or like something
at him.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
No, no, poor girl, she ran out. So in March
of nineteen seventy nine, a San Diego jury convicts him
of kidnapping Mayhem, attempted murder, forcible rape, sawed me, and
forced oral copulation, and gives him the maximum sentence. At
the time, I guess no go ahead.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Sorry, I'm just keep interrupting it. No, no, no, seven years.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Fourteen years for all of that, For all of those
crimes combined, a maximum legal sentence was fourteen years.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
That's like almost how old she was.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yes, that's exactly right. So the judge who had to
pass that sentence said, if I had the power, I
would send him to prison for the rest of his
natural life. So, along with the particularly gruesome and callous
aspects of the crime, the case became totally notorious because

(31:56):
he was paroled after serving eight years in prison.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
I just.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Can't, okay. So this is when shit went off, because
that's when it started on the news every night this
guy got paroled, and it was like, my parents talked
about it, people talked about it in the grocery store.
It was like, how is this happening? And you know
what happened is in nineteen eighty three, they passed a
work incentive law kind of quietly passed it so that

(32:25):
they could reduce prison overcrowding where a day was cut
off your sentence for each day that the prisoner spent
working at the jail.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Or you could make pot legal and get a bunch
of fucking prisoners out of jail.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Make the murderers and rapists go there for fucking ever.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Ryan, God's name, would you have a work incentive law
applied to attempted murderer rapists? Well, this was back when
they were like rape and it was probably her. She
probably asked for it. She was probably a ten dollars
more right, motherfuckers. So they announced that his release date.
This is Ed Martin, who is the associate warden of

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the California Men's Colony in San Luis Obispo, where he
was serving his time. His release date Martin said, if
there's continued good behavior and work and no change in
his programs, will be approximately April twenty eighth, which was
eight years four months of time. And everyone in the

(33:25):
barrier went bananas. So here's what happened. They tried to
parole him to Antioch, California, and the mayor protests the
Department of Corrections and so, acknowledging the public outcry, the
Department of Corrections agrees not to release Singleton Antioch, so
they try to place him with relatives in Tampa, Florida.

(33:46):
People rise up in Tampa, Florida, and the Tampa chapter
of the Guardian Angels, which was a big thing in
the APES.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Member them.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
They lead these protests and eventually Florida officials reject the proley,
so like, he can't go back to Tampa.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Now if you're if fucking if the Hell's what is
the Hell's Angels? Know, the Guardian angel What are they?

Speaker 2 (34:09):
They were this? Oh they were I thought you meant
the hell Hell's They were basically when in the eighties
when crime was crazy. It was basically at the end
of the recession, when things were kind of shitty. It
was like back when New York was a total dump.
The Guardian Angels were this group of basically what do
you call them, like, uh.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Like Mother's against drug driving type of thing.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
No, no, no, these were uh, I can't think of
the term for it.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
It was time, by the way, like it was not
in any hurry.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
It well, it's just long and I want to get
to the whole thing. But nobody, thanks, cocktails, listen, take
your time, everything's fine. No, but it was the they
were like when you're like a citizen that's taking long
on your own hands, what are.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Those call like a citizen taking out here?

Speaker 2 (35:02):
So they basically were like, we're taking back the streets.
So they would go. They wore red berets and shirts
that says Guardian Angels. They all knew karate, they all
they were all like muscled out dudes, and they would
ride the subway at night to make sure that like
vigilante there it is they were. They were total vigilantes
and they basically were like their own gang, but a

(35:23):
positive gang. So they just made sure like that people
didn't get attacked on the subway, and every city started
popping up with their own group of the Guardian Angels. Eventually,
of course, they dispersed because I think they took things
a little too far as it usually happens, but anyway,
they did they actually did some good stuff in the

(35:44):
beginning where people there were there weren't enough cops and
there was just a lot of crime. So, uh so
he has to come back from Tampa, Florida, which is
where his family was. But they Tampa was like, go
fuck yourself, and you know, Florida's kicking out. You're probably
a big, pretty big.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Piece of shit.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
So then he, uh where did he go? So then
they try to release him in Martinez, California, and which
is also in Contra Costa County. So the Contra Contra
Costa County Board of Supervisors and four city council members
win a temporary restraining order from a superior court judge
barring the Department of Corrections for placing Singleton anywhere in

(36:23):
Contra Costa County. So like, quit bringing that motherfucker back here.
He's not allowed.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
That ain't gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
So so now they try to place him in San Francisco,
but police chief Police Chief Frank Jordan at the time,
he's told that that they're going to bring Singleton to
San Francisco for a couple of weeks, and San Francisco
wins a temporary restraining order barring him from San Francisco.
So then they take him to Redwood City secretly, but

(36:53):
reporters find out that he's there in a hotel and
protesters surround the hotel and the Department of Crest just
has to pull him out of this hotel and get
him out before the protesters rip him apart.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
What I bummer to be one of those cops and
be like I fucking hate this.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah, you don't want to protect that piece of shit.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
So now.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
A Quarter of Appeals overturn that restraining order, saying that
Contracosta County and San Francisco couldn't have him there. So
then they try to place him in El ci Rito,
but which is not in Contracosta County. That's a little
bit further north, I think. But the Contra Costa County
officials find out that they're going to try to place
him in El Cerrito, and they tell the El Cerrito,

(37:36):
they tell the press in El Cerrito, so then protests
begin there. So basically now everyone's telling everybody they're trying
to place this piece of shit in the North Bay
and everybody. So then they try to put him in Richmond,
but the mayor finds out and the officials are all like, fuck, no,
get him out of here. Then they try to bring
him to a city called Rodeo, which I've never even

(37:58):
heard of before, doesn't even exist, but people find out
and a mob of five hundred people gathers around this
apartment and they actually have to take him out in
a bulletproof vest and he's escorted out of town by
the Sheriff's department. So it was this is kind of
that thing where, yes, this is the kind of the

(38:19):
worst story ever but also the greatest story ever, where
like just the citizens were like, no, dude, like maybe
that maybe legislator says, what that you can get out
of jail, but.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
We say no.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
So they moved him to Conquered one hundred and seventy
five people gather at the hotel where they're keeping him there.
Finally the governor says, put a trailer on the grounds
of San Quentin and they can live there until his
parole is over. Love it, Jerry Brown, George Duke Major,
all right, so that's what he has to do. He
has to live on the grounds of San Quentin until

(38:54):
his one year parole is up. Then he's free to
go wherever he wants.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
They're not even a track.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Well, then there's just kind of nothing they can do
because nothing's in the system about him. So he goes
back to Florida, and when he gets there, they find
out that he's there. People protest. A car dealer offered
him five thousand dollars to leave the state, and a
homemade bomb was detonated near the house that he was

(39:21):
staying in even but no one was injured. Unfortunately. Pomer
In nineteen ninety seven, a neighbor calls the police after
seeing Laurence Singleton attacking a woman in his home, and
when the police arrived, they find the body of thirty
one year old mother of three, Roxanne Heinzck. She's also
a sex worker. But I wanted to say the mother

(39:42):
of three part first, so that people care.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
So that they know that she was so hard up
for money.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
That financial problems made it so that she had to
do this. And then she got stabbed twelve times in
the face and chest by this piece of shit. And
when he answered the door, he answered the door to
the cops with his shirt open and blood all over
his chest.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
So they how many cold cases that can be attributed
to him, Like, so there's no way that it was
one in seventy eight.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Well, they say that the reason that he got paroleed
the way early like that was because he didn't have
he didn't have priors. Yeah, he didn't have which is
not to say he didn't do it right, but that
didn't he didn't have a record.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Still, I think cutting off a girl's arms and leaving
her forwards debt is like worse than your prior for
like aggravated assault or whatever.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
And I think you're right, it's that's not a first crime,
no at all, especially when you're sixty, you know, like
you're starting you know, yeah, no way. But also if
you're in the Merchant Marines, god knows they did in
fucking Malaysia or someplace where nobody, you know, you can
do whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
The Vietnam Vet, but fucking half of those pillings are
for him. Okay.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
So Mary Vincent goes to Tampa to appear at his
sentencing and tell her whole fucking story. She describes her
whole attack, the whole the the told that the ordeal
has taken on her whole life because of course it's
been you know, a terror. Yeah, and she's you know,
she's gotten her life together a little bit, but of

(41:15):
course she just lives in constant fear. When she was
when he was paroled, like she was doing fine and
going to art school in the Pacific Northwest. Then he
got paroled and she fell apart.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
As he said to her as she left the courtroom,
I'm going to finish this.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
If it takes the rest of my life, I'll finish
the job. Like, yeah, why isn't that considered when he's
when they think he's going out for parole. So uh,
the jury deliberated for one hour and he was sentenced
to death because good old Florida good So unfortunately he
died of cancer in the prison hospital instead of being

(41:51):
a fried We're very we're being very vicious in this,
we really are.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
And this one.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
But uh, his currently what he said in when he
was sentenced, he said he did he denied mutilating Mary Vincent.
He's still denied it.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Not killing her, just mutilating that.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
No, no, no, Mary Vincent is the girl whose arms
he chopped off. Yes, he denies doing that. But he
said about the stabbing of Hayes, I'm sorry about the
death in this case. I'll have to carry it on
my conscience the rest of my life. The death, the
death and the narcissistic move. This is sad for meking me,
the Diane Downs move. So just to wrap it, Mary

(42:34):
Vincent did win a two point five six million dollars
civil judgment against Singleton, but she couldn't collect because he
was unemployed, in poor health and only had two hundred
dollars in saving. Of course, not so. She did eventually
get married. She moved to Orange County. She has two sons,
and she started the Mary Vincent Foundation to help victims
of traumatic crime.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Oh sweetie, yeah, oh that poor girl. Isn't it crazy that,
like she would have been better off stealing a car
and getting a misdemeanor then then hitchhiking.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
You can't trust old men that look like grandfathers.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
And here's another thing I was thinking about, Like when
she had a bad feeling, he stopped to pee and
get out of the car. The thing about that is
is like, if you have a bad feeling, do what
you need to do and apologize for it later, like
steal the car and drive the fuck off. Apologize later
if it turns out he wasn't going to.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Kill you, right, trust your gut.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah, if you have to blow some guy off at
a bar because he's giving you the creeps, but you
don't want to be rude, blow him off and apologize
later if it turns out that he wasn't.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
A free because if he's not a creep, it won't
be a problem with exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Yeah, that's intense.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
I know it's crazy, And if you want to see it,
you can. You can watch on I Survived at Mary Vincent.
Tell that story yourself, I might have to start watching that.
The thing is about true crime chances that I really
don't like reenactments. There's no reenactments, Okay, it's the people
telling their story, and they do. They start a segment
with a picture of where it actually happened, and it's

(44:12):
all straight to camera storytelling. Okay, it's pretty brilliantly produced.
That's why I like it.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
No, I did that. I can totally do that.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, yeah, I know that was a big one.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah, let's all take a collective breadth. Yeah, anyone needs
to use the bathroom, go use it now, all right.
My favorite murder. Okay. So I was scrolling through the

(44:43):
Wikipedia page of mysterious disappearances, as one does before bed
sure when you have insomnia, and I came across a
really interesting case I had never heard about. And there's
so many twists and turns and weirdness about this that
I was intrigued and really excited. So I'm going to
tell this a little bit out of order. I'm going

(45:05):
to leave the exciting thing to the end, because the beginning,
the whole thing is fucked up to begin with. So
this is the murder of Sharon Marshall by Franklin Delano
Franklin Delano Roosevelt Floyd, which is like, no wonder you're
a murderer. Parents so close, it's almost like making sure

(45:25):
your kid's a narcissist by naming him almost after a president. Yeah,
all right, So in nineteen sixty two, this guy, Franklin
Delano Floyd was nineteen years old.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
It's the worst name.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
It's the worst name. Let's just call him Floyd was
convicted of abducting and sexually molesting a four year old
girl in Georgia. Yah, piece of shit, disgusting. He received
a lengthy prison sentence and with one year. Within one
year he escaped the person, robbed a bank, it was arrested.
He served ten years, released on parole because apparently four

(45:59):
is not young enough to be a fucking in prison forever.
In one month of freedom, he was charged with assaulting
a woman and he got away. So in nineteen ninety,
his wife, Sharon Marshall was found dead in a suspicious

(46:20):
hit and run. All right, so this is where it starts.
He had sent his wife Sharon on a late night
shopping trip for baby items because they had a child together.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Oh good to have a child with a baby rapist, right.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
I don't know if she knew that or not. So
she was murdered on her way back to the mot
hell they were spending the night at. She appeared to
be hit by a caryet. There was a blunt force
trauma in the back of her head enough to cause
the death unrelated to the car accident. So after she dies,
her child, Michael Hughes, which Floyd was a clear suspect in,

(47:01):
kidnapped the kid. He was the two year old son.
Michael Hughes. I'm sorry, that's not true. He put their
two year old son into foster care and fucking high
tailed out of there because he was in suspect. The
kid goes into foster care, the foster care parents love
him and decide to start adoption proceedings for him. He
thrived there, where he got there, he was just like

(47:22):
so developmentally delayed because this guy was a piece of shit.
And Floyd was arrested on a parole violation and then
as part of the adoption process, the kid would had
a DNA test and it was compared to Floyd's and
it turns out that Floyd is not the real father
to this little kid. Whoa. So when he's released from jail,

(47:44):
he tries to regain custody and he can't because he's
not the dad. Then, on September twelfth, nineteen ninety four,
this fucking dude comes in to the elementary school where
this kid is staying, holds, has a gun, takes kid
by force, gets some the fuck out of there, steals
this kid. You should see these photos of him. He's

(48:07):
such a creep, not the kid. Fucking flood. So two
months later, Floyd is arrested in Kentucky and the kid
is not with him hasn't been seen since. Floyd tells
like differing stories, Some that he had drowned the kid
in the motel bathroom after the kidnapping. Others say that
he told them that he murdered the kid in the

(48:29):
same manner, so he had admitted that to a couple
of people. Another person claims he saw Floyd barry Michael's
body in a cemetery, which is like, how do you
witness that? Then you don't tell anyone util the cops.
I don't know. In his most recent contact with the FBI,
Floyd's admitted to killing Michael by shooting him twice in
the back of the head. He told him where to

(48:51):
find Michael's remains. But it's been two decades since then
and they haven't found anything. So that's the story of
Sharon the mom and Michael the kid. Super shit all around. Yes,
and so the third incident is the murder of let's see,
what's her first name. I don't know her first name, Oh,

(49:13):
Cheryl Anne Commesso. So at the time of her hit
and run death, Sharon is a stripper. But I mean,
before I say that, I want to say that she
went to college. She was going to be an engineer.
She's a very smart person. I think something happened with
her crazy husband. She's making money stripping, you know, it's

(49:33):
not like not those things wrong with fucking making money stripping,
and that's her career. But anyways, in nineteen eighty nine,
one of Sharon's co workers disappears. She's eighteen years old,
Cheryl Anne. Someone had witnessed a angry confrontation, confrontation with.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Floyd and the coworker.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yeah, Floyd and the coworker commence commence commesso, Cheryl. Let's
call a Cheryl. So Cheryl disappears in nineteen eighty nine,
Floyd and Sharon get the fuck out of town. It
remains unsolved until her skeletal remains were found by a
landscaper in Florida in nineteen ninety five, and she was

(50:17):
a citizen, Jane Doe. No one knew who she was
when the remains were identified, and then in March a
year the same year, a mechanic in Kansas finds a
large envelope stuffed between the truck bed and the top
of the gas tank of a truck he had recently
purchased at auction, which is like, here we go, he
let's go. He finds.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Yeah, don't I mean just finding things stuffed in places?

Speaker 1 (50:41):
My dream? Yeah, for sure. Like you know where I
think you can find them is when you go into
like a weird bathroom and there's the seat the toilet
seat holder. Yeah, people like shove drugs and money for
drugs in those as. Like I'm going to go in
the bathroom and shove the drugs in there, I'm gonna
come out. You're gonna put the money in there? But
might making that up because I've heard that before. You

(51:02):
don't mean it in the toilet tank where the water
is no, that too, But in the where the where
you pull the toilet seat cover off the wall?

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Yes, yes, yes, you know what I'm saying. Yes, behind
the paper covers exactly.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
I see.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
I thought you meant in a private bath. No, I
think you meant those pink the pink furry cover that
like your grandma puts on the minutes to the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
You know when you go to a gas station and
they have the pink fury cover or like sometime this
Lepard print or toilet you know those fun but those
fun gas stations, Kiki. So the mechanic finds this fucking
amazing fine inside he finds ninety seven photos in the envelope,
including many photos of a woman who is bound and
severely beaten.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Oh no, they trace.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
The police trace the truck back to Floyd, of course,
and the investigators compare the photos of the injured woman
with camesso as well as evidence found with her remains,
and the clothing was similar to what she was wearing.
There was also furniture and belongings in the photos that
were identified as Floyd's, and the medical examiner had compared

(52:06):
injury scene in the photograph to the cheekbone that they
had founded this deal I mean this the remains show
so uh they were consistent. She had died from a
beating and two gunshots to the head again, two gunshots
looking at a pattern.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
A kill shot. That's the was he in the army?

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Oh really?

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Huh? Kill shot? I didn't know about that, U Two shots.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Two to the back of the head.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Yep, that's how you just take someone out.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
They needn't even look at them in the face.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
And well and also just it's for sure, so it's
one one. There is a possibility some could weirdly live
now to no.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Yeah, oh right, okay, so he So Floyd has tried it.
Convicted for this girl's murder. Thank god, can Messa's murder
on the based on the photographic evidence found in the truck.
Other photos found in the truck, though, show sexual abuse
of Marshall, who was his wife who died in the

(53:07):
hidden run right, I mean, yeah, this weird thing his wife.
But the pictures start and this is where it goes,
dun doune is the pictures of Marshall and being sexually
abused start at a very early age, when she's in
her childhood. What right, okay, sexually explicit post is of

(53:28):
various ages starting around four, of his wife age four. Yeah,
of his debt now dead wife. What the fuck is
going on? Uh oh. Turns out Floyd met a divorced
woman with three daughters and a son in nineteen seventy
four when Sharon is like four. In the late spring

(53:48):
of seventy five, Sandy the mom is arrested in Dallas
for writing a bad check for diapers, and some people
on the internet like, how did that happen? Did Floyd
take out all the money from the account and send
her on a shopping trip and the check you know, like,
maybe that's even set up? When she's in prison for
jail for thirty days. While she's there, fucking Floyd disappears

(54:12):
with all three sisters and the infant brother he had.
Floyd had been left to care. Which don't ever leave
your children in the hands of a boyfriend. I don't care,
how fucking cooing? No, don't don't.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
No one with the name Floyd, first, middle, or last.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Please No. When she's released, she sees that the fucking
children are gone. He had put two of the daughters
in foster care. She finds them there, but the but
but Suzanne, I'm sorry, but Sharon and the little boy
are gone, and she tries to file a kidnapping charge. Okay,

(54:51):
here's the most fucked up part of the whole fucking thing.
The local authorities say that as the stepfather, Floyd had
a right to take the children high nineteen seventy four
fucking piece of shit. Okay. So Floyd raised Sharon as
his daughter since early childhood, and if you go online

(55:12):
you can find a photo like a portrait of him
with her as like a four year old on his
lap DNA testing to determine her paternity when after she died,
uncovered that she was not his daughter, and he gave
a number of inconsistent statements regarding how she came into
his custody. She he told everyone that he had rescued

(55:33):
her when she was abandoned by her biological parents, which
is probably what he told her as well. The problem
is that the little boy was never No one knows
what happened to him, so it's not likely that he's
doing well. So the earliest known record of her after
that of Sharon was when she was registered in nineteen

(55:56):
seventy five in Oklahoma City High School and if you
look at her high school, she's clearly not high school age.
I think he was kind of trying to fudge some
stuff and like she was too old. She's very young.
She looks me too young. Yeah, she looks junior highish.
So I think he was like trying to throw someone
off or something like that.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Right to establish her as being eighteen as soon as possible.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Right and registering her under an alias. They had a
ton of aliases, let's see. So they suspect that Marshall
was born, that Sharon was born in the late sixties,
kidnapped between seventy three and seventy five. Then they leave
him again. She becomes his fucking wife.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Ugh.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Then I mean, it's not even like cool that she
gets to like then figure out who she is. He
fucking hits and runs her and kills her with the.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Car And wait, sorry, was that did he do that
because she was there some overt reason.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
We don't know. Maybe he found out that her son
wasn't his because go back to the kid that was
in foster care who he kidnapped, Oh right, right right
out that the DNA testing proof that it wasn't even
his kids sleeping with something essentially cheated on right, this
person that she didn't even want to be with, right,

(57:10):
and maybe he was even pouring her out, like, you know,
making money out. Like so, we don't know what happened,
but that wasn't his kid. That sounds like a pretty
good motive to me. Fuck yeah, that's insane. Wait what
happened to him? Okay, so he's still a lot. No, Yeah,
he's the creepiest motherfucker. He's in jail though, Please, he's

(57:31):
on death row. Okay, fucking God Jesus Christ, I know
he's on death row for the murder of the comesso.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Oh yeah, so oh because they found her body in
those pictures.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Right, so thank god, like they weren't, like, well, she
was a stripper, So he only gets four years, like
she's he's on death row. He's still under investigation into
the kidnapping of her son and the mother Sharon. Yeah,
and like after after Sharon died, they did DNA testing

(58:06):
on her and found out that she was the missing child.
That this poor fucking woman who dated a piece of show.
Oh my god, help her raise four children that she
was dealing with on her fucking own. And then oh
my lord, yeah, I what in the fuck, I've never
heard of this before. That's crazy. And he's still alive.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Wait when?

Speaker 1 (58:30):
So sorry?

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Once like, when did she get hit by a car?

Speaker 1 (58:33):
She got hit by a car?

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Did he hit her with a car? Right and a sledgehammer?

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Exactly? He It was a hit and run in April
nineteen ninety. Oh fuck yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
So like Reese, I mean, I guess I was for
some reason, I was picturing that this was like the fifties, right,
because it seemed like the kind of time you could
get it. That's insane.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
So in nineteen nineties, hit and run took the kid
by gunpoint. These poor you know this, poor foster parents
who were trying to adopt this poor kid who was
thriving in their home. They were fostering him, and they
wanted to adopt him because they cared about him so much,
and they are.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Stuck well, and also this piece of shit takes him
and then eventually kills him. Yeah, like just.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Leave him with the foster parents.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
But I mean, that's like that, that's the monstrosity of
whatever that guy is, I mean, narciss but just like
the the violent pedophile, it's like the highest strata of
in hell basically a violent, insane pedophile.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
It's so crazy, what I mean, it's so hard to
think of a brain and a thought process and a
mind that deviates that far from your own, Like I
can't even picture it.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
It makes you wonder, I mean, can they picture what
being normal is?

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Like?

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Are we normal? Is? What is normal? Well?

Speaker 2 (59:56):
It's not that guy, No, I'll tell you that right now. Yeah,
that makes me want to start up a vigilante club
called the New Guardian Agents. No berets. That's not cool.
The praise are stupid. You just I don't know what
we need. It so upsetting.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
It's actually funny because so I'm I'm listening to this
book on tape in this audiobook I've been listening to
forever called No Stone Unturned about necrosearch who uncovers clandestine graves.
It's this great book about these people who who find
buried bodies. And like, when I'm driving in the car

(01:00:33):
because I get stressed out when I drive, I put
that on, or I put a murder podcast on. And
then when I forget my book or don't listen, don't
have time to listen to a podcast, I put on
like NPR or the news and like immediately I'm like,
I can't. This is so awful. I can't deal with it.
Like I even fall asleep sometimes to that, to like
murder stuff, and it's I think, I really that. I

(01:00:54):
think that's part of realizing why I love murder and
these stories so much, is that the real world and
what's really happening and what I have absolutely no control
over is so terrifying and there's no control. But you
can not walk alone at night. You can you know,
carry pepper spray with you. You can make sure you keep

(01:01:17):
your doors locked. My door is not locked right now.
I just looked over.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Well, but every it's because every murder story that you
read and all that information you gather informs you so
that you know a little bit more next time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Right. But you can't do anything like that. That China
is is is being armed with nuclear weapons. You can't
be like, well, next time, I'm not gonna hang out
with China.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Yeah, I think they've always had nuclear weapons, right, but like, yeah,
what are you gonna do about that? Right way?

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Right? That's just posturing. That's the thing, is what are
you gonna do about that? Nothing?

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
No, But in this you can be like if I
ever get into a situation, right, you know you it's
it's just being able to have your like your guard
up better every single time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Yeah, and if something does happen, you know you you
at least tried or had some control over it somehow, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
You're informed. Yeah, Oh it's so crazy. I know that guy.
They should kill him tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Franklin Delano Floyd Piece of ship piece.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
This is the my favorite murder piece of shit series.
Singleton and Franklin del Floyd. We didn't mean to do
a theme too. Yeah, that's that's a magical theme.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Here we are Larry matching up on like like wavelengths.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Of pieces of ship. Well that was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Yeah, that was a wild ryde.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Well anything to wrap.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Up with, I don't know, Go buy a T shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Yeah, that'll make you feel better after that ship show
that ship that had just plugged our T shirts at
the end of this like awful thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
What choice do we have?

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
I know, Oh, keep sending us your hometown murders even
though we haven't read them. The number the numbers game
on that one is much more narrow, because you know,
we sometimes don't even read them. But we are starting
to make minis and having fun with them there, so

(01:03:22):
we will get to them.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
We're making many episodes of your hometown murders. I have
to say in reading them, the ones that I do
when they have a really good subject line, when it's
not just hometown murder, it's like motherfucker gets buried, or
like some funny thing, I'm more likely to click on it. Also,
when they're short and succinct, just get to the point that's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
He because yeah, and it's like in any good story
like that, just include the facts that matter.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
You can still be quippy and funny and all my
like and surprise and be yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
But I would say, if you're passing up the six
paragraph mark, it's going to be we're gonna have a
tough time with it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Yeah, we can give people guidelines. Yeah, I like to
call them guideline, gagline, yipeline, yaggle line.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Yeah, but we love them and we're going to make
I think we're going to try and do many episodes,
many so's each week.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
You know what blows my mind is that there are
just so many and people are just so excited to
tell them. I know, because no one's ever asked them,
No one ever asked them before.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Well, and also because you realize, like you don't. I've
asked friends, uh and they're like no, I don't. Wait
a second, and then they remember three because yeah, it
happens a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Totally. Yeah, it's just like part of your identity.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
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Thank you so much. Yes, and it's fucking awesome. It
feels powerful. I feel like I can get away with murder.

(01:05:13):
I guess above all, stay sexy and don't get murdered. Bye.