234 - Diane Steele: The Q&A

Karen and Georgia answer your summertime questions in quarantine.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Last Hello, and we'll welcome to my favorite murder the
podcast I heard of it. It's these two girls. I
don't really know what they do.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
It's who do they think they are?

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Who do they think they are?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
This is a special episode. We're going to do a
Q and A.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Are you getting like a summertime vibe from us because
it's real? Yeah, it's ummer, Yeah, summer. Well it's it
feels like lazy days of summer. Like when we thought, oh, yeah,
we haven't done a Q and A like in a
very maybe in a year. And then when I realized
that was an option, it was as if I was

(00:56):
freed out of the last day of school onto summer vacation.
That's what it felt like.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
For some reason, the Q and A makes me almost
more nervous than a regular episode.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Because you have to go back to all your improv
skills that you got at the Groundlings.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Level one, from the two level one classes I've taken
of improv before. True story.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, it's not easy.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
It's not easy. It's not like, yeah, I don't like
not being prepared. But and then I read through the
questions that Jay sent us from the fan culton. They're
really fun so I'm feeling okay about it.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Of course, these are people that want to They have
good ideas, they think things through. A lot of them
are professionals, improverbs, promotion, professional pros. Did I ever tell
you about my friend Lynn Shawcroft, the great Canadian stand
up Canadian Lynn Shawcroft, And she had the greatest story
where she took a class I think it was at

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the Groundlings and she like got in trouble quote unquote
because the only thing she could think of as an
action to do on stage is fold towels. So no
matter what was happening, she would just be She would
just stand there flipping her hands like that and then
putting a towel in a shelf. And the teacher, Lynn,
we're in a restaurant. You have to do something.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Else, she sold Napkins. It really does work a setting.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
But isn't that I would love to know what my
like under the gun panic action would be of like
nothing else. Well, I can tell you actually, because I
did take I got tricked into taking an improv class
once I went with my friend and in my mind
I was like, I'll just audit and sit in the back.
And then the teacher, the great Cris Bonds, improv teacher
from Second City. He was like, no auditing, you have

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to get in, and so I was like, it's my nightmare.
I mean, control freak extraordinary.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
How was my nightmare? Two beause it's like all you
do all your life is don't act stupid, don't act stupid,
don't act stupid, and they get to an improv class
and it's like, act stupid.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
It's the cart the idea that well, it's it's act
according to what's actually happening as ase to not acting stupid,
which is the.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Fucking warm up.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Oh my god, so uncomfortable, the nerdiest. It's like they're
trying to break you emotionally before you go into starting
a scene like zip zapps ofp is is so the
soul crushing experience.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Okay, so you had to go you could not.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
So then the first I was really mad and uh,
I felt like one of those people that goes with
the friend to the cult meeting and then gets in
totally indoctrinated into the cult. But the first scene I
was in, I was like, I think my panic action
is flipping Hamburgers because I stood there. That was what
I started with. And then the guy walked into the

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scene from the like stage left, and then as he
walked in and started asking me questions, I slowly turned
my back.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
To that doesn't want to.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
And Chris Barnes was like, Karen, Karen, what do you do?
You have to acknowledge that a person's on stage with you?
I was just like, Oh, I thought that'd be funny
if I turn my back, But you can't do that.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
I guess mine would be stirring a big pot of something. Sure,
but that could look pornographic if you really.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Or like you're straking on a There's so many options. Yeah,
in the improv world.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
What's what's going on?

Speaker 1 (04:25):
What's up? What's up with you?

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I don't know. Living my life. I'm reading a really
good book I wanted to talk about, Okay reading? Is
it too early to get into books?

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Hell?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
No?

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Do you want to restart the book club? Do you
want to do the one off book club? This is
the book club meeting right now. If you the only
people that get to come to this book club right
now are the ones who, by chance, already read whatever
book George is about to talk about.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's right, We're never going to talk about it again.
This is the one and only. You're never going to
be required cheese snacks to the fucking.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Or make small talk to people you don't actually know.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Would not or ask that of you. No, you know that.
So I'm listening to this book called The Unquiet Dead
by Ausma Zihanat Khan. I'm sure I said that wrong.
It is gorgeous. It's a detective kind of who've done it?
That's like the basics of it. But it takes me
to Canada and they are trying to solve the death

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of this person. Did he kill himself? Did he get killed?
But the person turns out to maybe be a war
criminal from the Bosnian War, And so it keeps which
I didn't know anything about. And so this book is
like super what's it called historical fiction? So it keeps
telling me all these things about Sarajevo, the fall of
Saraevo and the Bosnian War from the nineties, and I

(05:42):
had no idea that it's so beautifully like heart wrenchingly written,
and it's incredible. I'm like obsessed with it, and it's
like a perfect true crime book. But also you learn something.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yes, that sounds really good.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
I love it and I guess there's like a whole
slew of like this detective.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Well, I like that they're tricking you into learning. I
know that's the best kind of book.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
And then to like the counteract that I just watched
the Go Gos Last Nights documentary.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
I haven't seen it yet. I was supposed to watch
it with my friend Luke Vivian Westwood's number one fan,
Luke Wilmeck. Oh and then but okay, go ahead, because
I'll tell you I got into something else accidentally, but
you tell me about that.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
No, it was just really fun and great, and I
didn't realize, like, I don't think I was bold enough
to know the enormity of like what they did. And
they were the first and it's fucking fun. It's a
really fun documentary.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
That's right, because when they came out, you would have
been one, but I was eleven. Yeah, it was right
up my I mean, they are the Go Go number
one when that Beauting the Beat came out me and
I told this story on Josh Adam Meyers podcast The
five hundred Boo, because we covered this album. Oh right.

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I sat in my friend Nisha Benadettie, who she was
a year younger than me, and we did carpool together
and sometimes I'd go to their house after school and
she had gotten that album and we put it. She
put it on and then we just sat there staring
at the album cover and it was like a girl.
They had all girls singing girls songs about.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Play theround instruments, and then it's like the whole thing
about how they got fame so quickly, had the tour
and now like quickly drained them, and like it was.
It's really good and fun and I didn't realize how
fucking punk they were before that.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, that's how they started La Pung.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
It's rad. It's a really fun.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Well Okay, see I was I really meant to watch that,
but accidentally stumbled upon Love on the Spectrum, which is
a series on Netflix. Did you watch it?

Speaker 2 (07:42):
No? But I know I want to.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
You have to. It is so good. It's Australian, so
we already love Australians and their whole chill vibe. So
it's Australian adults who are on the spectrum in some
way have aspergers or autism, and it's them trying to
date and they talk about how the social aspect of

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things is already hard, and so then they have like
dating coaches and stuff and people that work specifically with
people on the spectrum. It's the best. It's hilarious, it's
heartwarming the pa you love these people so much and
you're so like the entire time I sat, I was
sitting forward like full body clench because I was so

(08:26):
nervous for people as they were like, it's just a beautiful,
beautiful thing to watch.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Did it help me a lit all with like past
relationships where you're like, oh, that's what was going on.
It wasn't like you know how we're so easy to
be like he doesn't like me and you know he
can't stand me, and then you later come to realize
what was really going on and it wasn't about you.
You know, definitely have those exes absolutely. You know.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
What it actually helped me with is this concept because
just dating in general is so it feels to me
at this point in life, so like that's for the kids,
and I wouldn't really it's just like my personality to
you know, can be like my five the favorite things
or this and thatt, I just can't. It's so difficult
to envision. And that's basically what they walk through and

(09:12):
then you it's all just about being willing to be
vulnerable and also to keep boundaries where you're just like,
it's just talking. You can figure out if you like
someone as you go. You don't have to like you
have to qualify, and they don't have to qualify. You're
just stakes hanging out.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Mistakes aren't as high as you think they are, especially
when you're young, and it's like, you know, every relationship,
every day, every text has so much importance to it,
which it really doesn't.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
It doesn't at all, and it's all kind of like
it's all part of one big story as opposed to
looking at it like, oh, this is this thing that's
going to deliver me from whatever, where it's like no, no,
it can't. You can't approach it that way. But also
just these people, the people that they chose to be
on the series, are such compelling individuals and you love
them and you root for them, and it's just like

(10:02):
it feels good.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I watched there's a new Marilyn mans Nope, there's a
new there's a new Charles Manson documentary that is that's a.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Sand Georgia as a person who's supposed to be some
sort of true crime. That's right to be interested.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
But however, I've never really been into Charles man.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
We've already talked about him.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
But this fucking documentary it's on Hulu. It's called Truth
and Lies the Family, and it's I didn't it's really
making I didn't care about him. I had no interest
in that whole story. This one is actually really fascinating
and good and tells you about his like shit about
him as a child that you didn't know so dark about.

(10:49):
It's really dark and well done. So if you're interested
in that, I mean, even vinceus Indy, which I'm surprised
it's really good.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Okay, cool, Yeah, but they have.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Like old photos of him and people who knew him talking.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
I mean, so you're basically saying you're pro Charles Manson.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Now, No, I'm pro Marilyn.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Oh, got it, got it, got it right. We've always
been pro Marylynd. Okay, there's another show that I happened
upon on Netflix. I've been spending my time very wisely lately.
It's called Skin Decision, and it's all about it's basically
like feel good plastic surgery reality TV. You have to

(11:29):
watch it. It's so it's not like it's it's equal
opposite botch. So it's so it's a plastic surgeon, female
poxic surgeon, a female nurse esthetician who is she often
talks about she's like the number one injectables expert in
the country.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Amazing.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
And then it's the people come in and they want things.
It's not all you know, quote unquote superficial. It's like
the first woman. There's somebody that has really really bad
systic acne scars. There's someone who had a bunch of
gunshot wounds from em relite from surviving a really terrible

(12:10):
traumatic crime. It's they have all these different people. Then
there's a woman who like got got herself sober and
and stop smoking, and she's like a beach lady. And yeah,
they do these like they decide if it's going to
be plastic surgery or if they can just do it
with non surgical.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Which they can do so much was non churgical now
it's okay, amazing. They change the way your face is.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Shaped, yes, by shooting sugar threads into under your skin threading. Yeah,
it's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
It haven't done that yet, and I mean I probably won't.
I've done so, I've done botox and I've done filler,
and I'm a big fucking fan of it. If it
makes you feel better about yourself, Yeah, why the fuck not.
I took ford it and you are mentally healthy and
you're just trying to get yourself a boot.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Who cares? It's nobody's business.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Well, and so many it's it's a common thing, and
it's so many people do it, and yeah, it is
the thing of Like it's almost like, I think this
happens to women a lot. It's almost like you're you
think you're being forced to decide whether you're like an
on camera person or an off camera person, right, And
if you're an off camera person, you're just not supposed

(13:23):
to care about what you look like. And it's like, right,
it should be. You should just always be aiming whatever
it is for what feels right and good to you.
That's all going.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
There's something like except yourself, who you are, blah blah blah,
and it's like, well, I am, but also this like
fifteen minute procedure of some needles will make me feel
even better. That's who I am?

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Totally, what's the fucking problem view of that kind of
scratch Jesus. I mean, but there was one woman who
who came on and she it was like that thing
where she was trying to say, I in no way
want like plastic quote unquote plastic. No one thinks yeah yeah.
But then she had the like her a terry kind
of waddle on her neck that was driving her crazy
and making her feel terrible. And then when she got

(14:07):
the procedure, like, the difference was insane. It was amazing. Okay,
such a satisfying show. It's called Skin Decision, and it's
just want to they it's such it's smartly produced reality
because it's about a superficial thing, and then they bring
it to people who, yeah, it makes a huge difference
in their life in some way, and it's really beautiful.

(14:28):
It's beautiful. And then these women are beautiful that do it,
and they're so talented and smart and it's just cool.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Okay, I'm into it. I'm there. I feel I'll probably
be on the next season.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
What are you texting?

Speaker 2 (14:42):
No, I'm looking at it. Oh, there's something else I
wanted to tell you about that. Vince just bought Vin's
like Ben's, like Surby weird shit online. Sure he bought. Okay,
there's this record label called Terror Vision, and they put
out a lot of like do you.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Mind if I lightly dry my hair as you tell
me this story?

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Please? They release like obscure movie soundtracks on vinyl, so
like movies you watched as a kid and weird horror
movies and shit. So they released an album of unsolved
mysteries music, so it'll be like it'll be like they
have They have a whole song for bigfoot music, they

(15:28):
have a whole song for alien invasions. There's a whole
song that they always use for fucking lockness monsters. And
so it's all this creepy old eighties music, the beginning
sound music in the end of the episode, and it's
just like this weird background music to have in your house.
I'm obsessed with it.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Is a lockness monster music. Does it have a little
bit of bagpipes? Just like a touch of distant bagpipes?

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Get better?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Is all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
But it's like actual music unsolved mysteries that they got
the rights to.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Amazing ter How cool is that? That's the best Visit
that website Okay, So I got this tweet the other
day I think it was two days ago from Lily Lynn.
She's at epic Lere's on Twitter. She said, Karen, you've
probably gotten this recommendation before, but just in case, check

(16:23):
out Cardinal. It's a Canadian procedural, dark and beautiful. So
I go on there because it was it's apparently my
job to watch every television show ever made now and uh,
I think it's I think it ended up being on
Hulu or Amazon, I can't remember, but anyway, it's called Cardinal.

(16:45):
If you liked the killing, did you watch the kid Killing?
Do you remember the guy that played the mayor? He's
kind of like it. He had dark haired, short and
he was super cute face, a little older. No, okay,
so that guy perfect.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
That guy is.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
He's the leading cardinal. It's so good.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
What's it about about? Like cardinals?

Speaker 1 (17:07):
And yep, he's a bird cardinal. He's a big red
bird and he's too proud and he's gonna get his
come up. And no, he is a detective and his
French Canadian part new partners, a young woman is actually
secretly investigating him because they think he might be a

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corrupt cop and they basically he had been working on
a missing young woman case, a missing Indigenous young woman case,
and they never found her. And then it's twelve years
later and they find her body in the ice and
that begins a new investigation. And it's so sometimes and
I'm sorry to tell you this Canada, but every once

(17:51):
in a while a show will come on and I'll
say this was made in Canada. It's it just has
a feel. And of course you know when they say,
I'm so sorry that it was made in Canada. Sure,
Cardinal is a police procedural that could compete with any
that you love that's on TV right now. It's the
actors are great. This season one storyline is like unbelievable,

(18:16):
and there's three seasons and that guy is a lead?
Is I should? Why don't I look people's names up
beforehand because you usually know though I do, actually, but
this guy is because he was like one of the
main people in the killing. You've seen him and tons
of stuff.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
He's my best friend.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
You've always loved him. You wrote him that letter. You
know who I'm talking about. Billy Campbell is his name.
You know him from such movie and movies and TVs
as the rocketeer the j Low film. Enough, Oh wait here, sorry,
oh this guy he kind of looks like a model,

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but he also looks worried.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Here a worried model, the best mind emotion model.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he didn't have a beard in
the killing. He's like, he looks like an old young guy.
He looks like an old guy. I totally he looks
like a high school student that got put through a
weird machine. And they're like, what happened? You're you see
him eighteen?

Speaker 2 (19:23):
And he needs he needs to go on skin thick.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
No, no, no, he's like beautifully salt and pepper age,
but he just has like a almost like this is
not a compliment. Even though I find this man, of
course very he's like a standard leading man. He's of
course very attractive, but he also a little bit looks
like joghead. And that's I'm not trying to be I'm

(19:48):
not trying to nag him. I'm just trying to describe
him for people who are trying to think of who
this is.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Comments. Someone comments on a tweet that I wrote, and
just I do not in this in a negative way,
but you there's a hippo in my animal crossing that
looks like you.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
I would never I would hut that laptop and never
open it again.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Kind of got it. I thought I was fine with it,
you know, like the hippo in it too. Tube.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, it's just like I.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Guess I could see that, you know, big big eyes
and all this.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Did the hippo have a short black bob?

Speaker 2 (20:28):
I didn't see it. I'm just taking this person's word
for it.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
That's really funny. Any tweet that starts, don't take this
the wrong way, I'm like, mute, then block, then report,
report to the CIA.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Speaking of reporting to the CIA, should we do exactly Right? Well,
you know how our because basically our podcast network is
a front for the CIA.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Right, so it is. It's the perfect cover, good ideas,
the perfect cover.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, no one will ever know. No, So let's do
a quick rundown of what you can find this week
on the Exactly Right Network.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Beautiful kick it off?

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Sure, Okay, we have Murder squad Is covering the unsolved
nineteen ninety eight murder of Rita Hester, who was an
active member of the transgender community whose death inspired Transgender
Remembrance Day. So that's a really important episode.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Cool, that's very cool. This podcast Will Kill You is
doing Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, but is gets so cool.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Bananas has Francesca Ramsey on. She's from MTV's Dacoded and
The Nightly Show. She's hilarious and lovely cool.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Stephen, You and Sarah on the percast sterling trapped King Davis.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Oh my god, I just don'tated money to him in
his van. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
He goes around the country, uh, trapping cats and like
helping cat communities around the US.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Oh. The cat's name that the little white one that
he just adopted as set. I saw that. I was like,
I'm giving you all my money. Oh my god. I
love it with you the best.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Oh yeah, we've we've hung out before in person whenever
he comes after cat Con. He's the sweetest guy. Him
and Nathan are just like the coolest dudes.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, Hi, Nathan the cat lady.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
I love it the falling. This is important. They begin
their newest series called Florida's Missing and Murdered and it's
going to be about two murdered women, both members of
Jacksonville's lgbt W community. It's an important season that they're
coming up to hear that's please subscribe, like subscribe comments,

(22:34):
what is it?

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, you're right? All three. And then this week's I
Said No Gifts starring Bridger Wineger has the great Chris
Fairbanks on it. Chris was like over the moon after
he did that. He said he had the best time.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
I like that. Those two people are good people.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
That's a real great combination of people and of hair.
Those are two Oh yeah, it's hair that they're really
should meet and greet each other aggressively.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Good hair.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Also, just as an update for the past almost two months,
I would say, we've been We had our MFM kind
of logo pin that's black and white. That's been for sale,
and all the proceeds are going to BEAM, which is
the Black Emotional and Mental Health Collective. And you guys
we have raised You guys have raised seventeen five hundred

(23:26):
dollars for BEAM. So thank you so much for all
of those purchases and all that support. We're super excited
to be able to give them such a nice big check.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
It's really exciting. Thank you guys so much for supporting
them and for supporting us, supporting other people. It's really supportive.
We're going to take a new org to donate too soon,
so there's going to be more pins for sale.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Also on the fan call. The video this week is
the video of Karen and Stephen giving me my birthday
presence from last week. So you can actually see me cry.
Is it crying if the tears don't spill out of
your eyes?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
No, that's real Housewives of Orange County shit. You know
they can't cry. No, you just need to tell events
that you need one of those diamonds that takes up
the whole lower half of your finger and then you
can cry by going like that and getting your diamond
into the chat.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
So they need they to spill over to be a
real cry.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
There's not a ton of real crying in media these days.
I think a lot of it is glycerine. I think
a lot of it is hot pepper to the right
right before it rolls with some month.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Oh. I want to mention and for some reason, we
haven't talked about the new season of Search Party, Season
three of Search Party that came out like a month ago,
because I wanted to give a shout out. It's really good.
It's another great season. But this season there's a lawyer
on it, played by a woman named Shelida Grant, and

(25:02):
she this character is so incredible and she is so funny.
She's like kind of like a Kardashian acting type of
lawyer and it's like fucking Emmy worthy. And she's just incredible.
So you got to see season three, and I mean
you should just binge the whole fucking show. It's so good.

(25:24):
Party is the best, and this season is like everyone
plays their character so well. It's like every single cast
member is fucking bringing everything they have to it. I
love it so much.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
That's great A rank.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
You should definitely watch search Party.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Because I've run out of everything on on Netflix. I
think I've honestly watched every I was watching a show
about the universe at four o'clock this morning.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Please you can't know.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
I know it's all lies, so nothing to know.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
It's all a simulation.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Here's what's interesting, though, because I do remember in college
I got really drunk at a part one time. My
sister got mad at me because I kept saying is
it our moon or is it everybody's moon? And no
one had the answer A great question. One fucking person.
Everyone's like what I'm like you're also ignorant hairs everyone, No,

(26:18):
and honestly no, every I think people are actually getting
mad because they didn't know the answer. So it's like,
I'll stop yelling at when you tell me the answer.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
So anyway, I feel like that's one of the conversations
that if I liked True crime, if I had heard
you talking about it across the party and having known you,
I would run over and like, that's a great question.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
This is we have to find out. And also tell me,
pre Internet, we would have had to find out like
going to the library or whatever.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
But Pedios, here's what I.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Learned last night that was actually genuinely like I sat
up and watched it. Here's how we got the Moon.
Back when the Earth was like still cooling or whatever.
An asteroid hit the Earth. The Earth, Yeah, and actually
like in one it spun it around. It was an

(27:02):
egg shaped for a little bit, and then some of
the debris that came off the Earth. I don't know
if it was cooler or not, but.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
You sure were just watching the beginning credits to a
Third Rock from the Sun.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
It did look exactly like it, But essentially that got it.
That's what I think. That's what they said. It either
got knocked off the asteroid. No, it was a piece
of the Earth that got knocked off. I think that's
what it was.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Anyway, Moon doctors please comment and tell us.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
What's important is that I was paying close attention and
I took the time to convey non information to you
I had. I thought I had the answers. The reason
I was telling this whole story it was because I'm
pretty sure it was part of Earth that then just
was part of the debris that then everything else was
too weak and got knocked out of orbit, and then
it was just the Moon and the Earth millions of

(27:53):
years ago.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
I want that's what the CIA wanted, But really I
fell for it or in a fucking John Liftgow vehicle?
Was it John LetGo? It was?

Speaker 1 (28:03):
It was John Liftgow, Kristin Johnson and Joseph.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Doesn't love it. That's Matt McCarthy's joke.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yes it is.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
It was a really cute show. Stuart French French Stewart.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, whoa well done, well done.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
I can't miss the fourth family member of Aliens, that's right.
I think the thing that bothered me about that show
is that I don't like aliens at all, and then
that idea of like, oh I don't want to watch
people to act like aliens. It felt like it kind
of felt like an improv class exercise. Okay, from a different.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
They were all on an improv team and they at it,
but they were Jane Curtains on it, which is like
she's the best.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
It was the cast of Superstars, hands down. I'm not
arguing the performance has made it happen.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
I want to fight about it.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Can we talk really quickly about your chair and.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
How loud it is.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
It's getting louder, I know, I know, actually getting louder
and louder through like through the quarantine.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Oh okay, I think I just need to burn it
in the backyard. It's a rickety wooden chair. I don't
know what I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
We need to get we need to get sponsored by
like a really nice office furniture company.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
I wish office depot is still open.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Do you hear it? Yeah, it has been getting a
little louder, guys, for sure.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Guys, stop attacking me. First of all, what's unfair about
this home is that this exacts I did never not funny.
Jimmy Pardo and Matt Bell's podcast and someone goes, does
somebody have one of those ball clocking things on there?
And then I was like, oh wait, sorry, that's me.
So when I get like, I get an idea and
I just start getting start sitting around in my seat.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
We'll get you, let's get you. I feel like we
could we could use the exactly right money bank card.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
What do we have a money bank?

Speaker 2 (29:58):
We could use the exactly right what are they called
petty cash to buy you a nice chair.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Oh good, idea. I'm going to submit a form to
Danielle and see what you need.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
A nice chair, Steven.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
I actually do need a new office chair because it's
like inside, guys.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Let's get those ones that are like Aero Dynamic and
their black net and they're like really high back. Yeah,
and then we'll put one of those cab driver up
beads things down the back of it.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
We stay. I just need one of those like you
know those they call them husband loungers, like the big
pillows that have the arm rest.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Sure do.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Like my grandma, So you read her fucking Diane Steele novel,
Danielle Steel, thank you, yes, no, no, Diane Still she.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Was recipe books. Mostly Me and my sister got those
for Christmas one year, different colors but same thing, and
we carried them around. They were so comfortable and fun. Okay,
getting one you could lean anywhere and watch TV or like,
you know, make it any place you're.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
And then remember those like they have the like boards,
but like there'd be like a bead pillow padding underneath them. Yes,
right on the clipboard, but like to put it compete
in home of mine.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Right, because so it would shape, it would shape to
your right shape, to your lap right, so you could
really clipboard anywhere.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Should we do some Q and A?

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Let's do Q and A. That's so fun.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
So in our fan caullte, we had a bunch of
people we just said ask us questions. Do you want
to go first? You want to our first?

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Let me look. But this is a good kickoff because
we always love talking about food and it's easy to
talk about easy fun. This is a good icebreaker.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, some of mine are fun and easy, some of
mine are interesting and thoughtful.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Right, I think, yeah, we have a really good mix.
I think everyone did a great job. Hello, dear friends,
I have never met smiley face with punctuation. Do you
like the chips on sandwich combo and if so, what
combo do you like? I have too, which I love.
They're asking a question and answer giving their own answer.
A good job, great baloney with Derey never even considered it.

(32:03):
I haven't like cool ranch. I'd say that's got to
be nacho, okay, because you need a strong bolognious so
medium to cool ranches planned cool ranch would just be
like a little bit of salad dressing on there.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Right, that's a strong opinion. I basically said, no, that's
wrong about its entirely conceptual idea.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Hi, if you wanted what it's like to be friends
with me or turkey with ruffled chip, Absolutely, that's it.
Those are great.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Those are both great.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Mine is Oh wait sorry, can I finish it?

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Some people call this hillbilly lettuce and then they wrote,
h thank you for everything. Rachel from Cincinnati. Rachel from Cincinnati, Rachel,
well done, strong, top, solid, good question, icebreaker, conversational, It's
genuinely interesting. Plus, my earth is watering, Georgia gues.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
You can ask this on a date.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
This is your day question I am. I'm going to
have it written on a piece of paper next to
me and I'll say it real fast right when we
sit down at the table, so it's as awkward as possible,
do you like and then to just start crying. There
was a moment where the the Mike, who is one
of the great great human beings on this planet, who's

(33:23):
one of the people you follow in the story, he
goes on a date with this girl and he's asking
her questions like he had practiced, and he's doing great.
He's really doing great because they meet at a like
a speed dating thing for people. Yeah, so she suddenly
just kind of shuts down and starts staring around, and

(33:44):
then he's like or, and he like asks another question
that she has, excuse me, and then just gets up
and then it's like as she's walking away, she tells,
like you can hear her teleproducer, I can't. I'm having anxiety.
I can't. And I was just like, oh my god,
that's so me tells me mid conversation, You're like, sorry,

(34:05):
this just peaked for me and I have to go.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
I have to go.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
It's just reminded this one word you use reminded me
of this specific fucking thing in my childhood that just
made me real sad and now I can't fucking do
this anymore.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Go by, and as as it's happening to me, I
am highly conscious of how I'm leaving this moment with you.
And I know you can right on, ye, but I
just need to get out of here. Please let me
well up here. And I know it's not allowed, and
I know I'm in trouble, and I know I'm bad.
I'm bad. I'm bad, I'm bad, I'm bad.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
I'll never leave the house again. Goodbye?

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Sandwiches with salt and vinegar chips. Ooh that is my
fucking ooh.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
I love it so much. That's number one. That sounds perfect.
What kind of bread are you putting that on?

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Well, I'm talking about like a Jersey mics or like
a Deli sandwich hero, like a hog a Hogy, like
Deli sandwich sig with fucking salt and vinegar chips.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yes, right, yeah, yeah, that sounds so.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Vinegar chips are my favorite bucking chips.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
But if you eat like fifty, you're ruined, your mouth ruins,
You're punished.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
What's yours? What's yours?

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Your self? Punished?

Speaker 2 (35:19):
God?

Speaker 1 (35:19):
I have well, first of all this makes me think
of my friend Don Frasier, who used to put her
French fries on her big Maco, which I never thought
of doing, and I watched her do it, and I
think she said something along the lines of like learn,
let me teach you how to live type of thing,
if you'd bit into it.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I don't really like that though, because I like having
a side of things, and they're both still good on
their own. You don't need them together. But chips had
like a nice crunch. Yeah, you wouldn't get just for
climb on fucking cook in general.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Again, Sorry, what do those salt and vinegar chips?

Speaker 2 (35:54):
You had a nice layer crunch? Have you ever had
ice and ice cream Sunday with fucking salty potato chips
on top? No?

Speaker 3 (36:02):
That is good?

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I thought you were on cooking Jo, have you really?

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah? On unique Sweets, there was this like in Brooklyn,
there was this like old school diner, like cute Sea
Sunday shop and they would crush potato chips on top
of a Sunday. It was fucking incredible. Hot fudge, hot
fudge Sunday ship salty, fucking like playing potato chips on top.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
That is that's epic right there. My mouth is water mouth,
and I think partially it's even just talking about salt
vinegar chips. Yeah, makes my mouth water almost defensively, I
think I would have to say, though, for a chip
combos situation, I'm so plain. I just love a turkey

(36:45):
sandwich that I pick her suggestion, which is turkey with
a ruffle. Deli sandwich. Ruffles are extra salty, so they're
they're the chip salt is happening, but then they're gonna
bring some salt to the rest of the sandwich. They're
that salty.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
And how about a nice club sandwich with barbecue potato chips.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
I feel like club sandwiches are already too spiky and crunchy.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
In and of themselves, too much going on already.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
You need the softness of like a nice shredded up
Deli turkey some like Swiss in there, and then boom,
a big fat ruffle and you know what the rest
of that and of course a nice still pickle on there.
But you could also get a ruffle. Have you ever
had cheddar and sour cream ruffles? Yeah, they're like they're

(37:35):
like I always look at them and go like, no,
don't that's just crazy. It's not what you want that
does on there.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Man. I miss going to parties where they would have
fucking sour cream and onion dip.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
I miss it so much. Or like at the end
of the night that bowl of ruffles where there's seventeen
left and they're all so a beer on them and.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Eight people's fingerprints all over them.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Back when fingerprint it wouldn't kill you.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
But you're starving because your friends don't know how to
throw a party because they don't order it. They order
six pizzas and there's like fifty people there. Yeah, let
me see, you have to.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Be there for the first two hours to get pizza exactly.
All right, So great job, Rachel.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Should we go to another food or like a I'd.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Change n one because I can't my mouth will be
too full of spit.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
That's true. Okay, High murder pals, If you're all doing well,
I was wondering, will you feel comfortable touring again when
if things open back up? Love love you all, Thank
you for all you do SSDGM Chelsea.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
R Chelsea are my answers? Yes, Yeah, it's just that
it's so mysterious as to when that could be and
what it would look like when it does happen. But
who knows.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
I think we're not going to be the first wave
or the second wave of people doing things again.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
I feel like we'll be ninth wave, you know.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
It's the double Dutch of touring where we're like, uh huh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Keep going. We refuse to be the people like on
the evening News and fucking Saint Louis, where they're like,
these two podcasters got everyone in the fucking theater sick
because they decided it would be a great idea to
have a live show.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
It's I would love to be so selfish to be like,
it'll be fine, we'll all be fine. But then if
it's not, that's the worst. So so so yeah. So
the answer then is yes in twenty twenty eight, See yes,
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
I think as soon as we would tour again is
probably depending on how things go. Falls it falls out.
For sure, this fall winter is going to be out
because then wh people get sick again. So things if
you guys don't, if everyone wears their masks and your
parents don't act like it's a fucking fake thing, and
everyone behaves, and maybe by next summer if things are

(39:50):
going well, we would start to slowly tour it.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
That's the dream. That's the dream, right, that's the dream.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
That's what we want.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
No, that's a good that's the plan. Just put my
hand into a thing of hand lotion. As if we're
not doing something right now.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
You's on right now?

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah, dude, bring it on your creaky old chair.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Give that being some loube.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Come on, it's a very dry room. Both water and
I are creaky.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
What if the for instead of el is mewing at
the end of the podcast, it's chair creaky, take a
night chair.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
I like this one. Normally, Normally I don't want to
talk about stuff like this because it's conceptual and boring.
It's like talking about your dreams. But this is something
I think about obsessively. And it's this And this is
from Lemon Sublime and they ask if you could have
exactly one five minute conversation with your pets, what would
you talk about?

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Oh my god, who would I pick? Hey?

Speaker 1 (40:56):
You go?

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Do you have one?

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Yes? One hundred? Because I actually do ask them this
all the time. I want to know where they were born,
how quickly their parents bailed on them, if they the
thing I love to ask George is did you have
brothers and sisters? I just try to picture these dogs
because I like, I think both Frank and George wore strays,

(41:19):
so they like George was found almost starving with mange
running around the streets of Hemmet, California. So I'm always like,
what happened because she looks like she's she looks like
she has fancy dog in her So it's like, did
your like, did your pedigree mother, uh, you know, have

(41:39):
an affair Atona some stray? Was it a lady in
the tramp situation? And then how long were you alone?
And like what happened? Don't you think it's better now
that you have your own room?

Speaker 2 (41:59):
What's it called? Mattress? Cast her mattress? You have a
podcasting mattress?

Speaker 1 (42:03):
You jerks. You much better than the streets.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Stop eating food off the counter.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
I just want to know their life story from a
young age.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
I love that. I would like to know Mimi's as well.
And I'm thinking, like I already talked to Elvis and
I'm pretty sure we're communicating on the same level, so
I only talk to him, but me me, I just
want to be like I want to communicate to her
that she is safe and just because I love the
other cats doesn't mean she's going to die. And I'm
you know, and I and tell her how I've never

(42:34):
hurt her in her fucking life, So if I'm walking
towards her, she doesn't need to fucking freak out and
run away. I will never hurt her. I would like
lay down in front of a car. Yeah, just kind
of calm her and figure out why she's so so
mean and angry.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Could it be that her mouth is so small so
she's mad about it?

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Be like just because my pet Dottie doesn't mean there's
less pets for her, but they don't exit. That doesn't
exist in my life, you know, And like she doesn't.
And also she doesn't need to bite me so hard
when she's hungry, you know, whatever she wants to say
to me, I'll listen.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Do you listen with an open heart and open ears?

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Yeah? But I have a feeling she's not gonna it's
not gonna get it.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
No, she's gonna be like there was that one time
you walk towards me kind of fast, and I was
like an apology for that one time.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
I stood underneath you when you accidentally stepped on my tail.
Now I don't trust you anymore. And it's been for
eleven years. Who did that?

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Did that?

Speaker 2 (43:38):
That's a cute question.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, good job.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Okay, This one says, do you ever missed recording in
the pod loft in George's apartment old apartment. I used
to pretend I was drinking canned wine sitting on a
couch with you when I was listening back in the
early days. And that's Hannah Hannah from Michigan.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Hannah Hannah question.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
I actually just was writing a little essay about that
and how much everything has changed since my first apartment
we were recording in, and then the pod loft and
then the office that doesn't exist basically anymore. How I
really loved it felt like this like cozy cave that
we used to record in, you know, and I enjoyed that.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
It was great.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
No, I definitely miss the pod loft. I have to say, though,
the one I missed the most is the first apartment.
It was just so kind of it was like watching
it all become real in front of our eyes. There
was a very fascinating experience, Like once we were into
month four, and we were It was that thing where

(44:45):
we were both realizing people were paying attention. Yeah, you know,
I honestly just thought we were going to be doing
this and like just be be entertaining to her.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Right.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
So then it was kind of like as things would
kick up. I just remember staring at that like the
dresser that your TV was on, or like you know,
looking at you, but also looking at the slide and
glass door behind your head where it was like, you know,
you have this any listeners or some kind of big news.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Every week there was like a new like did you
see this? Did you hear this? Person? Listens? Did you
say like it was?

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, it was surreal and it was yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
It was doing it from a like rent controlled, little
janky apartment in Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Was no air conditioning, no air conditioning.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
The neighbors were grilling outside of my window essentially. I
remember that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
And there was the guy that played the video game
that you could hear.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
I forgot about him. Yeah, remember the ghost train from
the podlock. Yes, and then sometimes we lived on the
tennis courts. There's like a dude playing tennis.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Julian McCullough playing tennis.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, that's right, with our neighbor. Oh yeah, I feel
like we have I'm like kind of bumm because I
feel like my house. I was really hoping move to
this house and there'd be like a perfect spot that
I could convince you because I think you love going
into the office.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Well, it was just so fun to have an office.
It was just like and also I knew the sound
would be great, that there wouldn't be in trains, great
plans or automobiles to worry about, you know, And I
just like the fact that it matched the reality of
what where we were. That felt right to me.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
I think I just like being more casual. I think
that more casual, the more like like right now I'm
fucking lounging on the couch in two short shorts, you know,
lazy like makes it feel more more like like less
important and less like, you know, dire that we get
something good done. It's just like two rounds.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
When have you ever felt that pressure? Breakthrough? It's a
breakthrough episode. Great.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Yeah, Well, I feel like when we come out of COVID,
we're gonna the leases up our on our office. We're
going to find a new space and this time we
can actually like plan a room around just us podcasting
where you both feel what we want out of it
and Stephen can maybe have a nice chair, no promises.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Okay, this is simple and easy from Lori KB candy
corn or Valentine conversation hearts, Oh candy corn, candy corn
easy so good that other shit tastes like medicine.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Candy pumpkins, candy corn pumpkins.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Right, any of it. I love the people that don't
like that. I feel like they're just they're just saying
that to make me feel bad because I love Harvest
Mix is oh bomb. And also it really is just
little piles of sugar.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Sugar.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
You get high off that ship if you have a
hair like Harvest Mix.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Crushed animal bones, which is sad when you think about.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
It, but good for your nails. That look, if the
Harvest Mixed people could put a little message at the
bottom of each pumpkin, it wouldn't hurt. I love the
conversation heart concept.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
But yes, me too. I love conversations. I don't want eat.
It's like a fortune cookie. I love fortune cookies. Nobody
makes them.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
That's a wasted gallery cookie.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Come Also, you just stuffed yourself full of Chinese food
like good luck, so good.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Okay, let's see easier, harder, quiki, not quicky.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Would you rather live in a sailboat or r V?
That's from fresh from Lori KB. That's a great question.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Oh, Lori k got two in a row. Oh seriously, Yeah,
she did conversation hearts, but she's good. She knows I
can say right away, Uh, it is not safe to
live on a sailboat. The ocean is not your friend.
There's all kinds of things happening. There's no you know,
tidle waves on in r v's as far as I know.
And I have really fun, good memories from childhood. My

(49:00):
friend Danet Nielsen's grandparents came one time and they had
one of those RVs that we were probably seven years old. Yeah,
but it was like a three story house kind of
r V where we were just like we got to
drive her grandpa drove around while we just like played cards.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Did you guys go camping?

Speaker 1 (49:17):
And sure, no, I think that you're not.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
You're not going to do that anymore.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
You're not.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
You have to be strapped in when when it's moving.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Now, that was I think the eighties idea, I.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Honestly think right now, and Vince Maat talked about this,
if we didn't have cats, or if we had more
chill cats, we would be just in an RV traveling
the country. Really yeah, And actually I have really bad
memories of it from childhood when my dad would get
them for the summer and it was just a nightmare
driving for fuck an hours an hour.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Where would you go to camps?

Speaker 2 (49:49):
He took us a big serve. We went to Grand Canyon.
He's going to fuck it. I know he's going to
call me and be like, by the way, that really
meant a lot to me, and I just wanted to
teach you guys to write. I know he's going to
been mad at me for saying how bad and I
know in the point I brought about it in the book,
and he's like, I thought it was important warming experience,
like I was, But I don't like camping that. So

(50:10):
you know, you can go on Airbnb or whatever and
rent people are renting out their rbs for like a
night or two at the beach.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Now, oh that's smart.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Sailboats. I would do sailboats if I could bring the cats,
but then I would just get fucking see sick. I know.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
I just think I love the concept. I think the
people that do it are amazing and brave and cool.
But I can think immediately of four different hideous stories
of people that were like going around the world on
a sailboat. Oh my god, in my mind.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
It's all dolphins meeting my dog that's on the fucking deck.
But it's not really like that. It's not Okay, you go,
what about this? Oh?

Speaker 1 (50:47):
This is This is good and interesting and kind of
what we talked about before. But of all the live
shows you've performed, what's been your favorite venue and why
venue where we've gone to?

Speaker 2 (50:59):
God, and they've all been like ninety percent of them
have been fucking incredible, And when they're not incredible, it's
funny because it's like, what is this place?

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Yes? I love those ones?

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Yeah, I mean there's so many. There's like the Techno
one in Texas. It was like the Toyota Amphitheater. Yep,
that was like the nicest place you've ever played. Yes,
But then there's like the orphym in LA, which means
so much because it's your hometown, so it's like important.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
And that we could see it was like house lights
were up that whole show. Yeah, I remember seeing there
was someone in the audience that I thought was my friend,
and then I found out later they didn't go. And
the whole time I see you that far. Yeah, it
was like, but that's how house lights up?

Speaker 2 (51:44):
It was yeah, yeah, yeah. And then what's the one
the Beacon in New York? Oh, I mean that that
one's epic, So it feels really important the ones I
feel like, oh, I had heard of this place and
I know that this is a big fucking deal. I
mean Jesus, yeah, that's got to be the one, right.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I mean that was like but I felt so I
felt like truly starstruck by the building in this way
that I felt like some you know, I don't want
Carrie Underwood to be mad at us, you know what
I mean. I had that feeling of like the week
keeps the line. Yeah, so I felt so intimidated, but
I mean obviously proud that we could even fill it.

(52:26):
And that audience was so great that night. I mean,
that audience was incredible.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
That night we met backstage Glenn Campbell's daughter, yes, Ashley Campbell,
who's also an incredible musician. Now to like following her
father's footsteps, and she could not have been kinder. Another
person I met that night, remember yep, was my so
my therapist Kim, who I was with for two and
a half years and then took her own life out

(52:55):
of nowhere. Her like her niece in law, contacted me
and was like, I was listening to the podcast and
I heard you talk about him, and I had to
pull over and I couldn't believe it. I'm going to
bring Kim's mom to the show. And so she came
backstage and we got hug and talk and yeah, it

(53:17):
was really, really really it felt powerful and deep and incredible.
So yeah, I guess that's that's the show.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
There was also that when we were in Anaheim, right, no, no, no.
It was the first time we played Las Vegas, and
it was the Red Rocks Resort, which was we had
those unbelievable rooms. Our rooms had like we had many
swimming pools on the decks. It was crazy.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
It was three sizes bigger than my apartment. It was
like it was we had three back room.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Yeah, it was like something from Cribs. It was crazy.
And the view was to the mountains. It was gorgeous
and amazing. And then we went down into that room
and it was a little bit like you're saying, it
wasn't a standard like venue room. It was like a
it was conference. It was almost like a banquet call.
It felt like two wedding banquet halls merged together. And

(54:15):
then they took like.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Accuardion wall.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Yeah, and there was like carpeting on the ground, and
then people were in just kind of like banquet seats,
and that audience was on fire. There was something about
the kind of like we're just gonna we're gonna make
a show. My dad's got a stage, you bring your chairs,
like you had that feel, but that I remember walking
on stage and it was like better than concert venue,

(54:40):
like the audience was doing something. Maybe it was just
the biggest thing.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
You know. What it might be too, is when we
go to places that are like vacation destinations instead of
like people's hometowns, and everyone who's there is on vacing
on vacation. Yes, so everyone feels soaked and excited and
loose and free and having a good time for days.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
It's so true.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
So maybe that's what Vegas does. Yeah, like want we
do Vegas.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Because also I feel like that's the vibe in San Diego,
like people maybe come from out of town to go.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Yeah, because then we can all Barbara when we did
Santa Barbara, that was like that too.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
There was, but then there was also in I loved Pittsburgh.
I loved Oh yeah, what's someone with them where paps
is from Milwaukee?

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Milwaukee. Yeah, Milwaukee We've been to twice and that has
always been and there's the people at the show are
so generous. They give us hardly Davidson leather jacket. That
was then.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Yes, that's right, that's the Riverside Theater, right, They're so incredible. Yeah,
staff is the best. They treated us like straight up
rock stars. It was crazy and yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
They did a whole like like like a whole spread
of food that was like murder themed. It was incredible.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
And we're always just we could just sit here and
do this one if we've been treated badly. One is
the audience not one the greatest.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Just always surprised that people know who we are.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
There's in the early days, in the early days when
we were kind of by ourselves before Vince was our
tour manager before Yeah, you know, we were totally totally
had it tightened up or whatever. There was a couple
of times where we were like, oh, you know, yeah something,
but but never once we hit the stage, it was
always just like the same thrilling feeling.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
And then the gifts we get backstage make us feel
like we're at home, like we belong there. There will
be like local treats and like this is our best
fucking this is our donut shop that everyone loves, or
this is like the bakery, and this is the beer,
and this is a kombucha and this is you know,
it's it's really cool.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
I mean, since this is a total like for for
the listener's type of show anyway, when you do Q
and A, because it's like we're being lazy, but we do.
We're it is the thing of like we truly and
literally won the super lottery when it comes to listenerships
and the people people who interact with this show and

(57:02):
who are a part of this community, we lucked out
in a way. It's crazy, like every person is cooler
than the last, every person is funnier, every person's more
talented and crafty, and it's what we wait. I think
I can answer this just so those are all the

(57:22):
you know, those are like the top top top. We
could do this, I could, honestly was for hours. But
that fucking theater I can't remember now. Toronto, Toronto Theater. Stephen,
you were there. It was the one that it's very
kind of almost like sixties modern. So it's like it

(57:46):
looks like it got designed and built when it was
like check it out a big amphitheater or whatever. Yep.
And we've done there a couple of times too, and
so you walk out and it was like, so it's
really big. So it's one of the bigger audiences we
ever had the first time we played it, and and
then the audience was like as if they were It

(58:07):
was like you couldn't write better responses for an audience
and the way they were participating and enjoying the show,
it was crazy crazy true in Toronto, in Toronto, Tony
Center in Toronto. It's up there. And also that's when
we got backstage the meet and greet. I believe that's
the one where the woman brought she made a sign

(58:28):
that said I shaved my face for this. Remember we
met her at the meet greet and she goes I
thought everything for some reason, I thought everyone was going
to have signs and she was all like self conscious
that she had brought that sign, which made me laugh. So, uh,
we could do that. I can, I could, honestly, and
I would love to do this for two more hours.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
And also the Sydney Opera House too, Yeah, oh yeah,
we had.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
To get guided in because it's so involved of how
to actually get to the stage. I miss it, I
really miss it.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Here's here's the line. Hi friends, when was a time
in your life you felt aimless? What helped you get
through the day today during that time? Do you have
any routines that help you feel ready to face the world?
Thanks for being the good voices in my head during
this time?

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Are yeah? Aimless? I did aimless from age eighteen to
age twenty seven, for sure. That's all I ever felt.
It was a constant awful Where are you going to
get money? When are you going to have a career?

(59:35):
What are you doing with your life? Are you seriously
going to drink every minute of the day?

Speaker 2 (59:43):
I mean it.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
It went on and on, and as good things would
happen in my life, they would absolutely be kind of
like it. I could. I didn't have a good enough
practice to be like focusing on that and doing other
good things that like felt good. It would be like, oh,
I got you know, I get to do a set
on a TV show. I'm not going to plan that set,
and I got to drink the night before, just like insane.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Back through your point that you can't do anything right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Like almost like I got convinced that aimless was the
way I had to be and I couldn't graduate out
of it, which.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Was aimless comfortable in a way that I was like, well,
if you're aimless.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Well it's all I wan good. It's all I knew.
It wasn't like I knew a lot of people who
were like, well then I went to a business school
and then I did this and I got this blazer
or whatever, and I was always like, oh I don't
want to do any of that. But I also have
a terrible feeling about my future all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Yeah, I get that. I think for me, I think
from like twenty seven on, for me, like twenty seven
to thirty something like, especially the late twenties, fel really aimless,
like I didn't know what I want the same exact thing.
But I think for me, like the thing that got
me out of that was thinking about was like this
American Life. Listening to that made me feel so like

(01:01:00):
hopeful and creative and wanting to Like it gave me
a sense of like purpose and wanting to strive for something.
Every fucking story was so beautiful, and the journalism and
the storytelling and like an iron glass so incredible, and
this beautiful pieces of a picture of a life, and

(01:01:21):
it felt so inspiring to me. Oh, everyone's interesting different stories.
So I think like Radio Lab and This American Life
are really instrumental and like helping me be creative.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
That's actually interesting because I think the way I did
it was thinking about the fact that this is my story,
so it's sounds very similar and this and I kept
I would have to say to myself, this can't be
the story picture of this. If somebody was watching a
movie and you're the movie, this sucks, like this is

(01:01:53):
not fun to watch. It's something over and over again,
like do something else. I think I got a sense
of myself instead of just being the like right in
myself freaking out and like kind of self obsessed, I
somehow figured out that stepping out and looking at and
then being like, well I can't I'm not going to
worry my way into something better. I have to like

(01:02:16):
do do different things I love that I looked for,
like spare change in old coat pockets for so long.
Like I think the aimless thing I think a lot
of Like if you're like writing that in and you're
twenty five, don't worry about it, yeah, because that's you're

(01:02:36):
supposed to have difficulties, and you're supposed to kind of
like trudge through your early life so that you have experiences,
so you smarten up and you get a sense of
the world and how it works, and that let people
mentor you, let people teach you stuff. This isn't American idol.
You're not supposed to step out and like dazzle everybody

(01:02:58):
when you're twenty five. No one expects you too. You're
not that smart. So give yourself a break and smarten
up and like become a student of the world and
don't worry about like the presentation because you need to.
Like I think it's like I'm saying this as as
much to my like twenty four year old self as

(01:03:19):
anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
But it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
We all we're so results oriented, more so performance oriented,
more so like selfie oriented social media style when actually
like younger people should just be actually doing things like
get a job somewhere and let someone tell you how
to do a thing and beet and learn a skill,
learn a trade.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Like experience life. Yeah, experience not in light. I feel
like that. I love the idea of being like if
I is this chapter of my life anything I'll ever
want to write about one day or you know, and
if it's not, then then make sure you're experiencing things,
making friends, having relationships, doing meaningful things for yourself. That

(01:04:05):
so when you look back on it in ten twenty years,
you're proud of the amount of experiences you were racking up.
I think right for you, Like writing a blog really
helps because they always wanted something interesting to write about.
So even if I was terrified about online dating, I
can be like, well, I'm going a fucking blog about it,
so it's okay, you know, And it was it was

(01:04:26):
like a fun experiment instead of you know, just a
stagnant life.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Yeah. And it's also you have to remember it's the
judgment about it, Like what if you were just the
most aimless person, Like if you're worried about being aimless,
be extraordinarily aimless, Like no discover what that actually means
as opposed to, oh, you're just not a lawyer yet,
like your parents told you you should be, or whatever
expectation that you're setting on yourself to judge yourself. Instead,

(01:04:57):
you know, open the door a little wider maybe for yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
And maybe you're not supposed to figure out what you
want to do with your life, your partner, any of
that shit until you're forty. Why do you have to
be fucking or fifty? Why did be twenty eight?

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Everything, No, you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
That's a weird old thing. Yeah, that's a weird old thing.
Because also it's like I thought I knew what I
wanted when I was twenty four, and then I changed
my mind when I would it didn't work like I
did not you know, it wasn't growing to do. There's
so much growing and also like you get to you
get to like change midstream and try something else if
your original plan isn't working. You get to do that

(01:05:32):
like four times. Yeah, Okay, this is this is awesome.
I'm going back. I'm going back to the topic we love.
What's the best thing you've eaten in quarantine?

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
That's a hard one because Vince and I have been
glutton City's over here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Let's get honest about quarantine binging.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
I'm ready for some reason, I think that's been really comforting.
I think to both of us is eating our childhood favorites. Yep,
So like we did hungry man dinners get dinners, I've
been eating rich butter crackers on the slovery.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Day, and I'm going to ask you to go back
to the Hungryman dinners. Here's what I used to just
go crazy for about the hungryman dinners, saving that little
pie thing till the little brownie. Oh my god, So
is it always a brownie? Or is it different flavors
with different meals?

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
That's it's different flavors with different meals.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Can you just walk us through different desserts so far
that you just how about the whole thing?

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
What different hungry Man's have you guys been in joy?

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Well? I only get the fried chicken because I fucking
love it. And we actually had a couple of weeks
there we were like every Sunday, we're getting fried chicken
from a different place.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
That was happening for a while. So then Vince, but
Vince will get like Salisbury steak, which looks disgusting. He's like,
do you want to cut? Asking if I want to bite,
and I was like absolutely not. And then it was
just not. It wasn't where I thought it would be.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
And then he also there's it's like navy muzzom.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Yeah, and then he did like a turkey dinner thing,
and then we also got like a Swedish meatball situation.
That's been fun.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Okay, what can you remember what the desserts for those were?

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Those were all brownies. I think really maybe they all
do brownies now, but the brownies are fucking legit all
like crispy and microwave and have like a piece of
corn stuck in it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
So you're not traditional ovening these. You are microwaving them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
No, no, we haven't it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Okay, oh yeah you couldn't because they're aluminum foiled. Are
they still aluminum foil?

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
No? Girl, no, it's classic.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Now that's what I had was in eighteen seventy eight.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
We've been an aluminum oil. Let's see what else are
we eating. It's like a lot of experimentation where it's
like I told Vince, I let cookies and cream ice cream,
and so now he is ordering every single brand of
cookies and cream ice cream until we find the one
that's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
First of all, again, congratulations on having the best husband
of all time. Secondly, because he really is. He really is,
he really is. Second of all the times I've had
to have a talk with myself because of me ordering
ice cream from Postmates, where it's just like I actually
have begun to plan what the other things I eat

(01:08:23):
during the day, Like I can't have it unless I
only eat crazy yet all day long, and then order
from it because there's so many like fancy bespoke ice
cream places in like in the valley, you can get anything.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Man have a green shape for breakfast every day and
and that you're fine, So said I the doctor. The
nutrition is last doctor.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
But I will say I was gonna tweet the other
day this this sentence the secret star of Quarantine question
mark that'spoonful of peanut butter. I can't tell you how
many times I've just been kind of like wandering around
aimlessly and then I'm like, yeah, wait, I can have
a tea spoon of peanut butter to pass the time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
I will say that, like with Vince, I haven't had
the resort to peanut butter because I can. When I
get in this brain area stress and anxiety and worry,
I look in the fridge or the cupboard and go
fuck it and just don't eat. So like, he's definitely
been sure that I'm eating, but that means we eat

(01:09:28):
whatever you want to, Like, you know, for dinner, we
had fucking chili cheese dogs, which I'm soaked. He's been
making a lot of tater tots and like tater crowns,
which is like a I didn't know that. It's like
they're little, like they're like you know when you get
burger ping hash browns in the morning, but they're like flat. Sure,

(01:09:48):
it's like that instead a lot of Yeah, we've been
eating a lot of midwesternies. It's like hearty feelings. It's
been like comforting.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
That's great. Yeahanas, oh those are those are a classic.
I keep making case idillas, simple, easy, but then it
also it feels like I'm actually making something real, like
I kind of like, sorry, I have to stand at
the oven for a while like an actual adult, and
it's just a case yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
But then.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
I'll sometimes order from Sharky's, which is a rad Mexican
ploss at la. It's a chain that's so good and
everything is really well made, and then get their salsa.
So then I'm having my homemaking sidea with some real
good fire roasted salsa. We've talked about it. I'm not
saying this to be hackey Zancu chicken. It's just it's everything,

(01:10:42):
and you know it's good, kind of good for you,
or at least like it's you know, lean perfect. This
is from Sierra and it says what advice would you
give to someone who struggles with self confident? As someone
who is often second guessing herself, it's so comforting to
listen to both of you. Be real. This may sound
like a backwards compliment, but even when you make mistakes

(01:11:05):
on the podcast, know that you're both inspiring Murderinos to
keep going because we're all human. Love to you both,
Sierra H. So the question is, after all that is,
what advice would you give to someone who struggles with
self confidence? H.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Don't beat yourself up for struggling with self confidence, you know,
M Like, that's I think such a big barrier. Everyone
puts what we put in our way of like, because
we're not perfect, we suck. Yes, I think like once
you learn to accept yourself as a flawed as a

(01:11:42):
like hilariously charmingly real flawed person, then you can forgive
yourself a little more, be yourself a little more, you know,
which is a beloved person to a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Yeah, And I think the it's yeah, it's you're not
going to ever get self confidence from someone else. So
I think a lot of people think that where it's like, oh,
if I just get if I line certain things up,
then suddenly that will be like the answer. I'll bell
be physically perfect. I'll be I'll say the perfect thing.

(01:12:19):
Like everyone makes shit up of Like here's how they
base it on other people they've seen of like I
wish I could be like him or her, and and
it's all made up. You just have to kind of
cop to the fact that all of your attempts, if
you're struggling with self confidence because you think you did
it wrong a couple times, or you think you don't
have what it takes to do it, and that's all

(01:12:41):
made up. And and I will say this, it's going
to sound mean, but it's the truth. It's boring to
be insecure. And I'm saying that as a person who
has been deeply boring about her insecurities for most of
her life. It took me a long time to realize it.
But ultimately you standing there picking at yourself and only

(01:13:04):
is my hair okay? Whatever, It's a fucking bore. Bring
more to the table, you know, like get some get
some interesting trivia, and focus on other people that will
help you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Yeah, let it and let it go. Let it go,
this idea of this person you're supposed to be that
you're not holding to anyone else. Yeah, you can try
really hard to be perfect and it's not going to work,
and you're going to be unhappy and you're not going
to be that fun to be around and it's fucking
struggle every day. Or you can let it go and

(01:13:38):
do your rest to be a good person and a
good friend. And yeah, I think becomes someone you like,
become a person that you would want to be friends with,
I think is the goal.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
It's like if you're going to go to say this
future a future party that will happen in five years,
Like because when thinking about like what makes you have
self confidence? So is it like speaking to other people
that you don't know at a party or is it
something to do with work or whatever, kind of figure
out what the area is that you've decided you are

(01:14:11):
less than somehow in and then work you know what
I mean. Like, if it's say it's a party, then
go with like ten topics that you could talk about
that you could ask people do you care about the
locked neest monster? That, right there is a fascinating thing
to ask someone at a party as opposed to trying

(01:14:31):
to stand and like look perfect or be something like
that where it's like or act cool quote unquote, which,
by the way, if you think you're quote unquote acting cool.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
You are not.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
I promise you you're not cool. And it's like and
then people will come back later and be like, oh yeah,
I remember meeting you. You seems like you seemed really
unhappy or you seem bitch or something. Instead, it's like,
if you can figure out how to focus on other people,
I think that's the key.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Definitely that. How do you determine which story submissions you
share during minisodes? And that's from Aaron.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
We read them so specific though, so like it has
to be.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
This like well written, actual story that has heart, the
heart of the reader, the writer, and a fascinating story,
right yeah, and I think.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Somebody like yeah. I think if you're if you write
the hometown to try to sound like us to make
us happy, we probably won't pick it because that just
sounds like us. And instead, if you write it, if
we can get to know you through the way you
tell your story, that's the most fun of all. And yes,
and then also if your story is good, then you're

(01:15:49):
just off to the races. But I think sometimes people
try to like please us with the presentation kind of yeah,
instead of like I wouldn't. That doesn't happen that often,
but I think it's like that would be The thing
that doesn't make me pick something is like it doesn't
sound genuine, And trust that you're interesting as you naturally

(01:16:09):
write because it is. Yeah, be earnest and honest and
talk about what you like and you'll seem cool and interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
And tell us what your grandparents' names are?

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Oh are this time? What sound or noise do you hate?

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Oh? Wind chimes?

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
For real?

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Yeah? They make me sad. I just remember coming home
from school after school no one was home in the
house because I was a fucking latchity kid, and it
would just like it be getting like dusk and then
I could hear my neighbors wind chimes, and it would
just be like, you're real, You're all alone. Where was Lee?

(01:16:52):
Where was Lee was probably at you know, her friend's house,
and Asher was probably at some like fucking practice. You know.
Everyone kind of just did the just we all were
all roommates and just did our.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Own thing, very independent.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Yeah, So, like all the lights in the house would
be off and it would be getting dark, and then
I'd hear windshimes and I.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
Make, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
What about you hate?

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Because I see, I grew up my sister had miss
aphonia growing up, So it's the thing where you there's
certain sounds that you hate or like a sensitivity to sound.
So literally I could not eat cereal anywhere near anywhere
near her, and anytime I chewed gum, she would immediately

(01:17:39):
be mad. So she had that thing where it was
like she could hear your like mouth. What I just
did would infuriate my sister. So I think everything that's
coming to mind is her thing because it's just all her.
It's all her problem. But I guess I would say

(01:18:01):
like hate, uh, well, I really hate when like cars
with loud mufflers on purpose go buy it, like either
motorcycles or the cars those make. It doesn't make sense
to me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
It's so rude. It's so rude.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
It's like setting off car alarms and waking up babies
and stuff where it's just kind of like just to
do it. Is it? Like is it a biker thing
of like fuck, you all have no muffler and you'll
all pay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Is it that I get when they I get when
they're they're tuned up a little bit so that the
car cars can hear them. Like that's one reason that
they do turn all that stuff up a little bit,
is so when you go buy a car, they hear
you and so they don't hate you. They know you're coming.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
But when they do when they're on the highway for
the blind, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
You know what I mean? Like its visual people are
fucking stupid. They will, you know, so you can hear
a car coming or the motorcycle. But when they do
just to like wrap up and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Ship, those are the ones that there's yeah, it's but
I'm trying to think of like that, you know, what
is what is a nails on the chalkboard? Nails on
the type to be like a similar thing like that.

(01:19:22):
I thought of my answer. Okay, it's so obvious. I
don't want to listen to nine one one calls. Oh yeah,
that's the thing I can't do. It's like I was like,
I know there's something that the second it starts, I go,
don't turn it off, turn it off, And it's yeah,
any serial killer or any like criminal being recorded and

(01:19:42):
talking and any nine one on call, I don't want
to hear.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Want to hear it right there?

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
All along? Okay, you want to do your last one?

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Yeah, Karen. Yes, it says, what is the most important
thing you have learned from Georgia? Yet, what's the most
important thing you've learned from Karen? And that's from Elizabeth T.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
First of all, I learned a lot of things from you,
but I'm trying to think of what the most important.
I think it's this. Honestly, you gotta start immediate if
you if you start a podcast, immediately, start making merch. Immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Merch.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Is it merches where it's at, Get on that people
want shirts, make shirts, get into merch. Take it seriously.
It's important.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
It's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
It's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
It's so fun. That's my favorite things.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
From Real Good New designs coming. Oh that's right, we cry, yep,
but you do cry when we saw it, loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
I think I learned from you a very important thing
that I'm going to carry with me my whole life.
Is it's okay to and how to say no. I'll
agree when you don't want to do something. I think
I've been such a like I don't want to disappoint
anyone my whole fucking life. So I've been really I've

(01:21:11):
done things that I don't want to do I said
yes to, especially with work. You know, everything feels like
dire and I have to do it to a point
where I'm going crazy, But like it's okay to say no,
and I actually become less of a flaky person than
a happier person because instead of saying yes to something

(01:21:32):
and then in a month thing like I don't want
to do that, I'm flaking yes that it's immediately and
like that's I know that's not something I want to
do or I know that's not something that's going to
make me feel good. And that people won't hate you
if you say no, like it's not a negative and
if they do, then that's their fucking problem, not yours.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Yeah, they're probably a dick. And also you Yeah, it's like, yeah,
I learned, thank you. I learned that crucial thing long ago,
which is this standard should be no, and you like
it has to be really good to say yes because
what you do and your energy and your time and

(01:22:13):
your attention matters and is valuable. And if you if
you have a thing where you're constantly people pleasing randomly,
then anyone can can like energy vampire you. Anyone can
take anything and will always be able to manipulate you.
And like guilt quote unquote guilt you, and that shouldn't
be an option for anyone except for like your favorite

(01:22:37):
aunt and you know, your sister or brother, you know
what I mean. Like that's like it's it's you have
to have your inner circle and then everything else is
like you don't owe anybody a favor, You don't owe
anybody anything. It's just a good I think it's good
self preservation. Don't do it so much that you close
down or you know, like I can be I can

(01:23:00):
be very like I'll fight immediately, but that's just you know,
that's just how I was raised.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
You got but it's also but it just also like
it dilutes your yes and you say yes all the time, right, Yeah,
it dilutes, it dilutes, it dilutes yes. Yeah. Whereas if
you say no the things that are actually choosing things
that matter to you and saying yes the things are important,
then when you say yes to those things, it matters more, Yeah,

(01:23:29):
in this cosmic way.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
And also it's just the you know, whether because this
we could be talking about it like going to a
party or doing someone a favor, or doing a project
or whatever whatever it is. It's just you have to
take it in and and go what what do I
really think? You have to like take the pause and
really go like what's the let's look at this, what
would happen six months from now? What's the bigger picture thing?

(01:23:54):
And like actually weigh it all out in a serious way.
It's good because then you're then being strategic about your
own life.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Yeah, and there's there's an amount of yourself spiritually that
you can give away that eventually it's going to hit
a wall and you're going to be exhausted from doing
things for other people constantly. It's going to spiritually deplete
you well.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
And also it's that's support if you keep on saying yes.
For that reason, it supports the belief the only good
you are is of use to other people, and that's incorrect.
That's like, your boundaries actually are what make people like you.
Having this self respect to say no thanks and not
right now makes people go, oh, okay, I can't just
like walk right over that person. Yeah, it's it's like

(01:24:36):
a it's a misconception. I think that often a lot
of women have that. It's like, if I'm not nice
and agreeable.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Service service to people.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Yeah, that's just kind of a weird old idea that
I feel like now young young women of today are
have that in hand. But you know, if you were
raised by moms that were raised to believe that, then
like that's just you got You got that lesson early
and often, which is smile, make sure people like you,
make sure you're nice. Like it's this idea that you're

(01:25:08):
supposed to be the kind of Applebee's hostess to the world,
and that's fucking bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Yeah, and simply built up my confidence for sure being
able to to know my worth and know that I'm
not worthless if I'm not of service just to whoever
fucking wants it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Yeah, which is not to say you can't be a slut,
get out there, do what you want. The point is
you want, not what right, people want right, do what
and who you want?

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Do what you like?

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
Well, that's it. That's it. That was the Q and A.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
That was the Q and A. That was so fun.
Thanks for tuning in, all you deep dark murderinos.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Yes, thank you fan cult for asking great questions and
thoughtful questions and plenty of snacks and food questions.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
That's right, those are all these are. There's so many
more questions you'll ask one day.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
I absolutely am going to buy fried chicken hungry man
dinner and try it out on your wreck. That sounds
really fun.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Brad yay.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
Thanks thanks for listening.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Thanks Steven, good job, good job everyone. You guys are
the best. Thanks for listening. Hope you're doing well in quarantine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Yes, stay strong, stay healthy, stay sexy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
And don't get murdered.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Bye bye, Elvis.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Do you want a cookie