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Always in fashion and never full price, it's My Favorite Murder! This week Karen and Georgia tackle internet murderer Luka Magnotta and the unsolved case that lead to the creation of the AMBER Alert.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:17):
See then. Yes, Oh my god, it feels like Poulder

(00:48):
Eyes Part four or something.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
It has a Duran Duran quality to it as well.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, yes, see them like we're mothers and we're really
proud of you. That was great. Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Now what setting was that on?

Speaker 1 (01:18):
It's amazing what you can do with that.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, it was so each time it's been like a different,
like drum setting on the cassio.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
The first one was samba.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
I really liked that one. I really thought that was beautiful. Ye,
it was like haunting, you know. Was it a conscious
choice to.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Pull your own vocals out and just let it be
an instrumental?

Speaker 3 (01:38):
I just wanted to.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I just wanted some with some glock and spiel in it.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
I wanted to block around. Yeah, I gotta pull up
that block every once in a while. That was gorgeous.
It's really good. Yeah, Karen, I like, do you ever
get like I wrote that song?

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah? I get really pissed, but then I go through
all these other emotions.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Like hungry entirely tire, angry, shut down entirely shut down. Yeah,
like oh there, what is the there's a dog over there? Yeah, distracted.
Distracted is the final stage of grief distracted by dogs
as a special No.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
I love this idea that Stephen's reconnoitering the theme song,
because we're probably probably all a tiny bit fifty too,
right we've heard some time. Oh yeah, I mean it's
you know, we need a refresher.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
I like the idea, and it's a fun like, yeah, reconnoitering.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
We have to reconnoiter.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
I've never heard that really Kiddish. It's a it's my
My Irish grandmother used to say it. Say Swedish Yiddish words. Yeah. No,
she was fluent in saying Yiddish sports every once in
a while. Do you know what's funny.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
I actually just thought of this the other day because
we were somebody's telling a story about mates.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
My grandmother was a maid.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
She came this country and she was like seventeen and
she was a maid and So Francisco until she got
married amid a maid sing for like fifteen years should
have been and one of the places that she u
worked And it's not gonna be scary, but it's just
she worked for a family that lived in Seacliff, which
is like the ritziest part of San Francisco. You might know,

(03:19):
like nobody knows that it's there, but I don't know
what that is. You know what it is when you're
driving over the Golden gate Bridge to go to San Francisco.
The left hand side is the marina and Fisherman's Wharf
and all that stuff. The right hand side looks like
a forest, but that's actually mansions.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
And now I did not know.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
That it's hidden mansions.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
And so my grandmother was a maid for a family
or she just called them.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
The Jews, and and she would always say, I think
the Jews are nice.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
I worked for nice Jews. But there was you and
I came together and you were like, I think the
Jews are nice.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I think she cracked the door open of in my
mind my podcast with a nice Jew. Grandma. I think
you'd be proud, but that we're still in cahoots with nice.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Jews and there's still nice juice. They're still out there.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
What year was that, like the fucking thirties?

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I think, yeah, yeah, they didn't Nobody liked us back then, well,
nobody liked anybody. Nobody liked the Irish.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Nope, every back when there were signs that say, don't
hire the Irish in every store.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
I thought that the two of us were a fucking
plague on humanity, and you know what, they can suck it?
Am I wrong? I mean, were they wrong?

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Or were they wrong?

Speaker 1 (04:31):
I mean, who's on top now with the podcast? Me
and you? Grandma? Check it out, Grandma, let me tell
you something.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
She'd be like, I don't like all the talking.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
He called her vulgar. Yeah, she would actually.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Be insanely passed about the f the f's, all those f's.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Oh, the French is what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
She doesn't like when I speak French because she doesn't
like the French. Pull it, Stephen, pull it even. Take
all that out.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Welcome to my havorite murder.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
That's a bad start in terms of the racist murder.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
That Irish person is Karen Kilgara, and that Jewish person
is Georgia Yale hard Stark.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
That's the fastest Jewish name I could think.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
It's called. It's Georgia Los Angeles City College drop out
hard Stark Is actually would be more accurate. I didn't
go to Yale.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
I meant the Jewish name Yale y a E.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
L Oh, Yeah, like ya l Oh is that pronounced
like the gorgeous chick from Oranges and New Black.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, which one.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
That's her name, the one who's like, when me and
so and so we're gonna get married. Oh, Laura, she is.
Her first name's yale Yea l And she was in
an episode of the show called Stephen Help Me out Here?
Dead Beat? Okay, that's the show called Deadbeat about a
dude who's a drug dealer in Manhattan. And there's a

(06:04):
special episode that's like the dog episode and it makes
no sense. It's on HBO, I think, and the people
who wrote it were like, this is this episode and
sent it to HBO and they're like, you can't give
us any notes on it, like they were hard, which
you know is like unheard of, Like you, they're just like,
no notes and it is one of the most gorgeous

(06:25):
you know, can you find out what the name of
the episode? Like, it's one of the most gorgeous episodes
of television.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Is this a new TV show called Deadbeat?

Speaker 1 (06:31):
It's new she Yeah, I think it's first season, but
it's kind of a show. The episode is just in
the perspective of this dog and yeah, Elle is the
dog walker and you're just gonna fall in love with
her like, she's so, anyway, what were we talking about?
This is the murder podcast. That's yeah, we're in the
ter but it's good to know it's pronounced yeah, Elle,

(06:55):
that's what I think. I could be yeah wrong about that.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Oh ye, honestly, let's see, should we update anything. Well,
this just happened on Twitter as we were like in
between one one recording and another. I looked down at
my Twitter and somebody had written have you heard about
the New Hampshire murder New Hampshire Murder Castle? You guys
have to talk about it. So I immediately send back

(07:23):
a message saying what are you talking about? In all
caps because I was like, you, there's another murder castle,
Like how do I not know about this?

Speaker 1 (07:31):
And then and then he wrote back, yeah, hh Holmes,
that's Chicago, goddamn it.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
But then he started laughing and was like, oh my god,
you're right. But apparently HH Holmes is from New Hampshire.
He was probably just either flipped it or was at
the beginning of the story. He was at the beginning
of the book about HH Holmes.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
It's actually one of the funniest ones that people ask
us about, like if we know do we know hh
Holmes and it's like that.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
That one is just like it's like asking us if
you know about Ted Bundy? Yeah, or like have you
ever been a McDonald it's like, yeah, yeah, I really did.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Knees and chicken. They're filet of fish and.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Not to be you know, yeah, anything about it except
for how do you the guy built a murder castle?
You gotta know if you're even slightly interested in true crime.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
It's like Leonardo DiCaprio is even thought about as a
main character in this movie, which he is, like, we've
probably heard about it. I would say, how do you
think would play Ted Bundy? Well, Greg Kennear pops to mind.
Oh my god, thank you, thank you. Would you come
up with that? I did just now, I've never thought

(08:35):
about that or no. I was like, I can't think
of anyone that is perfect.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Because he's kind of got dead eyes and he kind of.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Is charmed, Like he's not hot enough to be like
hot charming, but he's like charming enough to be like
hot because he's charming.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
You trust that face. Yeah, we just have to dye
the hair and he.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Could become a little like eyebrows need to get a
little more pointed.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, he has to get a little more sinister and
probably a little skinnier. Yeah, but that guy in like
a cablenut sweater who's like, please help me to my
Volkswagen that doesn't have.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
A passenger seat, and you're fucking Greg Canar, you're.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Getting in there?

Speaker 1 (09:06):
What do you got?

Speaker 3 (09:08):
The show is called High Maintenance.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
That was not even close to what I fucking dad
beat is the one where the guys roommate was a
ghost Jesus from what Oh my god, I've really good. Okay,
High Maintenance, my mate, this.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Is what we're trying to say.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yes in The episode is called Grandpa, and it says
when Chasin is sensitive yet fun loving dog Gatsby moved
from the suburban Midwest to Queens culture, shock takes its tool.
Yeah that's until they cross paths with Beth, a cute,
whimsical dog watch.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah yeah but she But this episode has nothing to
do with the season. It's like this, The whole show
is about this dude, Hi maintenance, who sells pot on
his bike, and then there's this random dog episode and
he's like, the guy's in it, but he's not. The
episode isn't about him, and it's just such a gorgeous Listen.

(09:56):
Everyone has been fucking commenting and being like, thank you
for recommending Fleabag, it was amazing, So fucking trust me
right now, please they do. I know. That's why I'm
yelling at me. No, I'm yelling at the fucking wrong.
So wrong, Jesus crist.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
I mean, you know why, I bet you like Flea
Bag and then Deadbeat almost seems like the beat in
between high maintenance and Flea.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Bag High maintenance.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
I just want to know who makes that show that
they can go to HBO and say you don't get
to give us.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
I think that they don't care, like I think that
they're not. I don't know, like someone I knew who's
really cool who makes documentaries, was friends with them, and
they don't give a ship. Who is it?

Speaker 3 (10:40):
It's a husband and wife team Ben Sinclair and Catchia
leech Feld.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Huh so they're like, fuck you, dude, we're fucking good.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
It usually doesn't work that way. No, that's what I'm saying. No,
that's very cool. You'll cry.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
You know who else did that? All of the people
who would be I believe James Burrows, Matt Groening, everybody
who said they were going to make the Simpsons. They
went to Fox and said, we'll make this, but you
don't get to give us notes.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Were all they've done is a Tracey Aalmon show at
that point, right, No, no, No.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
James Burrows, he's like legend, right like they had basically, Yeah,
they basically said we'll make this deal with you and
all that, but you just can't.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
They won't do that again. They won't. And tell my
favorite Murder, the comedy TV show that's also a game show,
that's what it's called, comes out and we're like, you
can't tell us what to do, and they're like, great,
we're not getting a TV show.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
No, fine, fine, go ahead, thank your goddamn boat.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
We got a podcast. Oh you know what even mentioned
is that this is the first suck An episode in
my new apartment.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, that's right, that's what we should be talking to
start with that. And how high these ceilings are, Yes,
this is cathedral s.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
I mean, you think that if they were going to
make ceilings this high, they would also not make them
fucking popcorn. But I guess I'm not an architect, so
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
But however, look, can you can take that out, you
can scrape it all.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
You know how much that costs so much money. I know.
I'm just trying to make you feel better, thank you,
But I don't care. It's fine.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
It looks great, you know. So they're so high up
you can't see it.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Okay, Yes, popcorn ceiling and Venetian blinds kill me, but
are not what are they called? What are those called?

Speaker 4 (12:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:15):
I think those are like vertical blinds.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Vertical fun Well, anyways, I hate them. But otherwise, this
apartment is amazing. This is a great apartment. Yeah right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
And also you just moved here. You're like, I'm going
to get in and this is the nice stuffs going
place I've ever lived in my life.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
It's great.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
It's really fun. It's got a good open floor plan.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah. Good. When the apocalypse comes around the third floor,
so like we're safe, the.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Water coming up, the people scratching at the side of
the building, you're safe.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Oh, it's good. All right, that's good. Oh. I forgot
to mention this last week when it mattered, wouldn't it
had any fucking all right? So these two dudes who
are who were into the podcast Messa justin we're like, hey,
we're super in the podcast we're writing and we are
writers on the show The Real O'Neills. Will you guys
be in an episode? And Karen was like, I have

(13:05):
a day job and have a fucking normal life, and
I was like, I don't, I'll be on it, and
so I went on and was on it, and it's
it's on tonight, which is two days after. This is
gonna hair two days yeah before you will be two days.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
After in hearing this, but you can watch it online place,
that's right.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
So it's the it's these fucking sweet angels Josh Kirby
and John Vellis, who like they wore so we recorded
this thing and they wore my favorite murder shirts to
the fucking recording of this episode. Like there was a
ton of people on set and they every time someone
would meet me and like I was an extra onto,
like they didn't have to be nice to me, and
they were like, she has a pocket. Like they were

(13:45):
so nice and wonderful people. And one of them was
fucking Henry Zebrowski's college room may which is so insane. Anyways,
I'm on it in a fucking dance sequence and I
get my baby stolen and it's it's fun enough you
want to watch it? Check it out.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Go watch Georgia the Orphium this Saturday. That's right, that
should be exciting. The La riot Fest Comedy Festival. Uh
and we're at the Orpheum Theater.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Should put it up next week if it doesn't suck, Yes,
that should.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Be the should be the bar.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
If I can have a week off, we should try
so hard on Saturday so we can have a week off.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Actually, yes, let's try really hard because I need a
week off because work is getting insane.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
You better start filming.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
The week after ya.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
Oh god?

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, so you're like twisting all the knob what do
you call it?

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Like, Yeah, we're gonna twist some knobs, and we're gonna
push some levers up and then pull them back down.
All that stuff, which is really hard for me. The
stuff I don't like them arown't even chew gum and cheegm.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
At the same time, it's the worst. Should we when
should like? Let's I was thinking that we can have
Guy back on, Guy Brannan back on who show you
you're currently on? Ya?

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Right?

Speaker 1 (15:01):
But what if we like have people write in and
ask their legal questions that they're curious about, like what
the fuck is this saying and that thing, like you
have to write it in that sentence then and then
he's like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what
those things are. Yeah, okay, oh no, no, no, I
was just trying to make a joke.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
I don't know. Yeah, I think yeah, if we had
something specific and like let it through to a certain yeah,
good topic.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Okay, we should have him back on them because that
was a good episode. No, he's great, very good. And
then it's like just kind of a fun it's fun
to have it's a third person, yeah, and not tell
horrifying murder stories. Hey, speaking of Hey, is there anything
else you want to Correction corner, merch corner, my favorite

(15:48):
murder shirts dot com. We're about we're doing We're working
on new designs, things and stuff and it's gonna be
great forever. Oh and my favorite murder dot com the
live show stuff. We have a show in Pennsylvania that
we need to sell more tickets for guys.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Oh yeah, So go onto the website and if you
live in Pennsylvania and you go on there and you
see if it's near you, I don't know, but wait,
you have a story about your uber driver.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Dude, I need to writ shit down. Oh my god,
let's start over. Let me start with this. Uh, thank
you for reminding me. You know, that's why I write
things on my lip. My therapist today, I was like,
what's wrong with my memory? And she was like, well,
you're sleep deprived and anxious. Those will fuck with your memory.

(16:38):
I'm like, okay, I feel good about it, but now
I don't feel good about it. Okay, So I was
I got an uber to go to our Cracked Podcast
live show at UCB, which I think they're going to
put up soon, which was so much fucking fun and
Cracked podcast as they're like awesome dudes. So on my
way there, like dude, today we get picked up. I

(16:58):
fucking first, I'm leaving a party, and I shame Vince
and Joe DeRosa for like saying goodbye and like leaving
me there to wait for an uber. I don't know
why I'm saying them, I'm just shaming them. So I
get picked up by this dude who looks like he
could murder me, but he ended up being super fucking cool.
He looks like he goes, he looks like he goes
outside of Burning Man, you know what I mean, Like

(17:21):
he stays there, like he says real real outside. Yeah,
like he can't afford tickets and he like sells drugs
outside of Burning Man. But he but like, I feel
safest around those people more than like normal people.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Those are your people.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, sure, those Burning Man outside people.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
So he's like, so what are you going to UCB for,
like chitty chat the way I hate ubers do. And
then I was like, oh, you know, I'm just I
have his podcast and he was like what is it about.
I'm like, well, I'm murder and you know, kind of
like slowly he got some out of it, and then
he was like, oh hey, uh what's funny. I grew

(17:57):
up a couple of doors down from John Wayne Gacy
and I was like wait what And I was like
right around the time, He's like, uh huh. I went
to a party where my friend had him as a
clown at our party. Wait, he was a kid. He
was a kid. His friend hired John Wayne Gacy to
be a clown. Po Go the clown, po Go the

(18:17):
clown at his birthday party and he said that, yeah,
he like John Wayne Gacy would come to their school
and watch wrestling matches. And I was like, well, wasn't
it weird and he was like yeah, everyone knew it
was weird that this guy was into it. But he
would then bring them back to his house and his wife,

(18:38):
and I was like, wait, he had a wife. He's
like yeah, yeah, he would bring them down and then
what you told me before is how he would be like,
let's have this wrestling thing. I'm going to put you
on handcuffs. Yeah, he like knew he knew all that
because that happened to people in his town. And his
wife would just be like, oh, he brought these kids
down with him and they never came back up whatever. Yeah,
that's the wife that eventually left him because you just

(18:59):
that kept happy and.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
She's just like this is so weird. She got like
calling the cops. She was just like she didn't know
what was going on down there. It was just kind
of like it's lois someone with not not like knowing
what's going on. Oh yeah, it was the seventies and
then people did that all the time in their marriage.
Is like we're going to go have man time and
our man cave downstairs, and she's.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Like okay, I'm going to bed, but with children. Like
if she was suspicious enough to leave him, she should
have told the cops of her suspicions. Oh, I can't
speak to this at all. I don't know anyways. So yeah,
like on my way to the should you know what
I mean, like, should have not married him to I've
married a clown. Look listen, look and listen, look.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Learn the handcuffs alone, get out of there.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Like no the going to wrestling matches and having kids
over for wrestling alone. Like, if we started doing that,
I'd be like, well, this isn't gonna this will not stand.
You're going to prison.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
You'd be like one hand on the hip, Hey listen, mister, yeah, goodbye,
nine one one.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
On the other hand, well that's awesome. I mean, that's
the magic of getting into just anyone's car. Try it, everyone,
give it a shot. That's why we have this podcast.
It's going to get into people's cars.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
It was kind of funny though, because on my way,
of course, Georgia got there before me because I was
late and on my way I was texting like I'm
on my way here whatever, and then Georgia Tech's my
Uber driver used to live across the street from John
Wayne Gacy, and then I was like, you are lying,
and I would just all my responses were accusing.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Her off, like I make shit up all the time.
I just wouldn't accept it. This is not the truth.
And I was like, I'm not fucking kidding.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
The other thing I was going to say is and
I want to say that I was trying to look
up the name, but I realized I was being rid
to you, so I just put my phone down. But
pretty I want to say her name is Marjorie. I
don't think that's right though. But we have a person
who listens to our podcast and loves it, and also
who comes to mine in April's Improv show every month,

(21:01):
which we really appreciate because God knows, you don't want
an empty room at the Mprov Lab when you're trying
to do a comedy show.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Every first Wednesday of every month.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
It's the second Wednesday I think of every month. Second
Wednesday at the Improv mil Rose at ten pm. It's
called business Class. It's a real good time. But anyway,
there's a girl that I met there on our first
business class and who was like, love the podcast, blah blah,
blah and has come been super supportive. Well, I walked

(21:31):
in to the last show we did, and there's like
kind of an entrance way at the at the improv
where people stand around smoke and talk or whatever, and
she's just sitting at a table with her friends. And
just as I walked by, she just held out her
hand and held and handed me three decks of cards.
So I stopped and I was like, Hey, what's going on?
And then I look and they're the They're the cold

(21:53):
case cards that we were talking about on the podcast,
and she got them for us.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
We all got a pack and it's we got to
Florida's in a, Connecticut.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
I believe.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
They're the cards. Excuse me. They're the cards that had
the law enforcement would like deck of cards and playing
cards that the law enforcement would give two inmates to
play cards with, but there would also be cold cases
of like murders and all these things on each one
like explaining them hoping that one of the one of

(22:28):
the people in prison would recognize them or feel like impelled, impelled, compelled,
thank you in prison and compelled. I just made those
in one combined it to talk.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Which was a good idea and when you look at them,
it's kind of creepy, but then it's also fascinating, like
you just want to look at every single card. Sorry,
Stephen just hand to be her name and it is Miranda.
Same thing, Miranda. What did I say, like Moranda rights Marabelle,
some horrible thing, Miranda. Thank you so much for thinking
of us getting the thing that we were so excited

(23:02):
to even talk about.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, no, it's super cool.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
It was basically this is like the partner item to
the the murder cards that we were the baseball cards
that we were looking at that Stephen got for us
for Christmas.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
I mean, we're just gonna keep fucking compiling cards.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
We just love cards. Hallmark, that's that ship yep.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Cards.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, all right, that's all our business, right, I think? So?
Has it been forty five minutes yet?

Speaker 1 (23:28):
We got to hit that Mark? Cut half that out?
See you the thank you're first? All right right, I'm
gonna take it. I'm gonna fucking take it. Take it in,
do it, limit, love it, limit to the limit, close,
time closed, Yes, what was the theme?

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Can you think of the tune?

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yes? Held on call? My mom worked there for a while.
Wait we start it some things sounding close beat it
at It something something number the one where I remember
the one where it was like a girl getting ready
in her room and you would like you were watching
through the window and I ended up being like a

(24:15):
dude cross dressing.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
But it was like so edgy and cool. What ye
talking about? Banana Republic?

Speaker 1 (24:22):
They here's Charlotte Ruse like they had it in between,
Like I swear this was on like America's most wanted
like commercials. I want to make Steven look it up
that it's just so complicated.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
I mean, I can't even it was for Closed Eye.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
All. I thought it was close time.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
I went to see The Golden Girls Live, which is
Drew Drogie, Jackie beat Sam Pancake, Sherry Vine, unbelievable word
for word reenactments of.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
It on Instagram. But I don't know what it is.
You have to go.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
It's so funny. I told Joe de Rose about it
because he is obsessed with the Golden Girls, and he
was like so mad, I'm gone.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
But ah, Allan Scott, he has a Golden Girls podcast.
Have you met him? He's the best. Now you got
to bring him.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
But in between these scenes they go to real like
mid eighties commercials, and so there was the Shasta commercial
and I wanna pub I wanna Shasta. There were all
these commercials.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Remember they had the bubble gum one with two twins,
double bow, double doublement gum. That's a state may have
the great Man from the doublement gum. Close. I remember
Close Times because my mom worked for them and they
had this this commercial where the like cute hot model

(25:40):
would walk out and like kick her leg and like
keep walking. I was like close Time, and so my
mom told I'm like came on crying with it.

Speaker 5 (25:48):
It was like I was walking out of a meeting
and I tried to do like close Time kick like
as a cute joke to end and like put my
skirt caught and her skirt was too tight and she
just kicked both of her lax and fill down.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
No, such a cheargia move. So I cannot think of
close Time without my mom kicking her fucking legs.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Close Time is like the place where we'd beg my
mom to take us and she has shoulder pads. She
would be exhausted from work and we'd be like I
just need one shirt, and you'd want to like shop
the whole store, and my mom would be like five
more minutes and like going crazy.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Sheep hangers and these like sad metal fucking racks.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
And nothing ever fit me, probably small where I'd be like,
I want these tiny pants. I couldn't wear anything for us.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
That was Mimi's cafe, and my mom would order a
fucking glass of wine from the poor fucking hostess who
couldn't serve wine, and just sit in the fucking waiting area, Oh,
waiting for a table. Just chug wine. Cool moms anyway,
Oh wow, where are we? What's happening? Has it been
forty five minutes yet?

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Okay, we're almost there.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
I'm about to blow my nose on my shirt?

Speaker 4 (26:58):
Really, she usually couldn't you come actually have a tissue?
Can everyone come from that?

Speaker 1 (27:10):
There was I don't have a tissue, so doesn't give
a fuck. It was either my shirt or my cat
was on my lap, and I chose my shirt. All right, Okay,
all right, here we go. Oh alright, so remember time
and we'll take it too. No, not the same thing,

(27:33):
Not the same thing. All right. So last week I
talked about Megan's it's your serious voice, okay, with clearly
I'm about to there's a cross eyed cat staring at
me the whole time. Megan's Law talked about that, right,
So then I was like, hey, what's another one of

(27:54):
those that like we don't know the history of so
So January seventeenth, in nineteen ninety six, which is exactly
twenty one years ago today, So nine year old Amber
Hagerman is riding her bike in the parking lot of
an abandoned wind Dixie in Arlington, Texas, and she's with

(28:17):
her five year old brother. Have you been to a
winn Dixie? No? I haven't. Have you been in an
abandoned parking lot?

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Kind of but just the idea of it, it simply
would not happen today, not since ninety five. I feel
like this, this idea of children alone even anywhere.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Six seems like to I think that like it took
a lot of small towns a while to catch.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Up, right, because people thought, oh no, not here, and
it's safe, right stuff.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
But like these days never, never, they wouldn't they wouldn't
allow people, you would they wouldn't allow people like children
in an abandoned parking lot. They would like someone will
call get off right, or like you wouldn't be able
to get out.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
But also anyone passing by would call the police. If
there was two a five year old, seven year old
riding their bikes, it would be like a major okay.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Well here's why. Yeah, but here's okay. So they were
about two blocks from their grandma's house. It was broad
fucking daylight, and someone drives into the parking lot grabs
Amber off of her bicycle like they didn't even try to, like,
he just grabs her and drives her away in his
black Pi truck. There's one witness to step forward, and

(29:30):
he was a Neighbor's name was Jim Cavell. He's a
seventy eight year old retiree. Witnesses a whole thing and
calls the police right away. And he says, she was
by herself. I saw this pick up. He pulled up,
jumped out and grabbed her. When she screamed, I figured
the police. I don't know about it, so I called them.
That's so fucking Arlington, Texas. Like, well, figure the cops

(29:50):
should know, Uh, he was nearby about and so this
is how he described the person. That he was a
white horse spanock mail twenty five to forty under six
feet tall, medium Bill driving a late nineteen eighties or
early nineteen nineties model full size American made black truck.

(30:12):
And then so Amber's brother Ricky goes home tells his
parents what happened. They're freaking out In the abandoned parking
lot of the wind Dixie. There's also a laundry laundromat,
and I guess it was full of customers, but police
thought that a lot of them were in the country illegally,

(30:33):
and so when the cops fucking swarmed, they got the
fuck out of there. Yeah, and there was a truck
that was similar to that of the kidnappers spotted outside
before she was taken outside of the laundromat, but no
one ever came forward and said that they know who
it was. And there was a seventy five thousand dollars

(30:53):
reward that also had the promise that they wouldn't be
deported if they came forward with information, but no one
ever came forward, which I think that they would have
if they had known something, right, I feel a lot
of fucking money. There's a huge search, and then four
days later, a security guard who's walking his dog late

(31:14):
at night stumbles upon the nude body of Amber she's
in a creek behind an apartment complex, which is less
than five miles from the grocery store parking lot. Amber
only has on a sock on her right foot, and

(31:35):
an autopsy reveals that her kidnapper had kept her alive
for two days and she was beaten and sexually assaulted
and then her throat was slashed and she was down
behind the apartment complex, which makes you think that he
lived there, or at least knew someone who lived there
and was staying in town and had some time alone. Like,

(31:55):
I don't think it would be someone who actually lives
there because it's too obvious. It wouldn't make a yeah,
like you're still at your back door, right, You're staying
at your brother in law's apartment while he's out of town.
And yeah, So after the funeral, a woman named Diana Simone.
She's just a random woman. She's a massage therapist and

(32:18):
a mother, and she's from Dallas, and she fucking calls
the radio station and she's like, Hey, if if you
guys can alert the public to severe weather, why the
fuck can't you do the same thing for when children
are adducted. She's just like, put some shit together. And
she's like, what the fuck.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, wait, say her name again.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Her name is Diana Simone. Yeah. So she's a badass motherfucker.
And she says, and I wish I could do this
in a fucking Dallas accent, but I don't want to
be insulting that. She says. They're saying Amber was taken
at four o'clock in the afternoon, thrown in a pickup
truck and driven somewhere, and that nobody saw anything. And

(32:56):
then she says, I'm sorry, that's not possible. Problem was
not that people didn't see them, it's that they didn't
know what they were seeing. Yeah. So, nine months after
Amber's death, radio stations and law enforcement officials in North
Texas launch what they call America's Missing Broadcast Emergency Response
or AMBER alerts. They relay reports of kidnappings to the

(33:21):
public and it's an emergency response system that disseiminates information
about a missing person, usually a child, by media broadcasting
or electronic broadway signs. As of December twenty third, twenty fifteen,
there have been eight hundred children rescued and returned specifically
because of AMBER alert. But unfortunately, Amber Hagerman's abduction murder

(33:46):
has never been solved. Oh no, I know, and her
mom's Amber's mom says, I know Amber would be very
proud of this. She was always another mommy to all
my children. But I also want people to remember Amber
that she to sacrifice her life for Amber Alert. So like,
mom isn't like, you know, empowered and proud of this shit.

(34:07):
She's fucking she's it's a bittersweet for her, you know,
like why why did her daughter have to be the
fucking pake of this? Her child died so sad. So
last year was a twentieth anniversary, and they were always like,
we're going to get them, and I mean, it's sad.
And her poor poor brother who is five, is just
like Heath. I'm sure he's a mess. Okay, Okay, So

(34:34):
all right, So it's never been solved. But after I
did some like sleuthing the thing, I found that the
the only like connection to an actual person that could
possibly be involved that I found was okay. So in
twenty ten, DNA identified a man that twenty five years

(34:56):
ago UH had kidnapped, sexually assaulted, and slit the throat
of eight year old Jennifer Schuett and Jennifer survived. Wow,
and I wrote and kicked major ass at healing and
working on herself. She's made in her life's mission to
speak out on behalf of victims. After her Jennifer's attack,

(35:20):
she laid dying in this fucking field of her That's how.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
As W and I survived.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yep. Have you seen her with the pink She's got
like pink hair and she's kind of like punk and goth.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
And the guy took her out of her bedroom through
the wind. App oh dude, and I know, okay she.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
I mean, this chick is like the epitome of like
here's how you get back your life? Yeah, big time.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
She's amazing.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yes. So she was in the field at eight years
old for twelve hours before she was discovered, and in
her hospital bed she had a scribble notes to the
police and she said that her attacker said her name,
his name was Dennis, and she wrote she did this
amazing sketch like she was fucking on it and in
it she was like, I knew I was going to

(36:01):
die and I was going to get every little information,
like bit of information burned into my head. And it
turns out that the dude was a four year old
welder from North Little Rock, Arkansas. He had a wife
and three kids, and his DNA was on file because
he had been like he has a fucking rap sheet

(36:22):
of assaulting and kidnapping women. There's a ghost train going
by my fucking new apartment. Okay, so he had been
He had been, you know, the normal arrested for rape
and assault and only got this many months and in

(36:42):
one case, a weekend in prison for a rape for
it got you know, bargained down to pled down to like,
you know, bullshit stuff. So he had never actually been
really convicted of kidnapping and blah blah blah. He confesses
to kidnapping, raping, and trying to kill Jennifer shoe It.

(37:07):
Her body was. She was lying naked on her back
on top of a fire ant nest. Fourteen hours later,
she woke up covered in fire ants. She couldn't move.
She tried to scream something about the fire ants that
kept her alive. And I don't know, I don't rememb
where it is.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
I think if I'm remembering yes correctly, because this is
another one that's like crazy, I survived if you can
see it. She's one of those people like you said,
the way she talks about it, you're like badass.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, Like there's you know, there's something inside of you.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
When you're losing a lot of blood, you're not supposed
to go to sleep like, so you don't lose consciousness.
And I think they kept her awake. Oh my god, no, no,
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
You just watch her eyes survived, look up Jennifer and
whatever city in Texas this is because she tells the
story is chilling.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah yeah, Okay, So he gets arrested for all of this,
which is so similar, and this was in Texas and
she had been kidnapped from a Texas apartment, so I mean,

(38:17):
it's so similar. I don't think they have DNA from
Amber's body, so there's really no way to tie it together.
And unfortunately, this motherfucking dick sucker killed himself in twenty ten,
but he had confessed and she says, you chose the
wrong little forty five pound eight year old girl to

(38:38):
try and murder because for nineteen years I've thought of
you every single day and help search for you, and
every year that's past has given me more strength and drive.
And when I finally would be face to face with
you as I am today. In his sentence, she said,
but motherfucking Bradford hanged himself in his cell and that's it.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
And I mean, so he went to jail for that
attack he did. Oh that's good, at least killed himself.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeah. So, I mean it's just such a similar an
eight year old girl that he kidnapped. Yeah, a part
slit her throat, left her for dead. This one happened
to survive in Texas, you know, in the nineties. It's
just so Amber another like person who's done a lot,

(39:24):
but at the expense of their life. Yeah, bombed. What's
that you look bombed?

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, Yeah, it's a bummer.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
It is a bummer, But I think it's an important story. Yeah,
it's horrifying that he was never found, Like what the fuck? Well, yeah,
like there was.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
I was really surprised that you said that because that
I know of that little girl, because of Amber alerts,
and so I just completely assumed that that was a
fully like the case that came all the way around,
and that there was a prosecution for it, and that
was part of it.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
That one in Megan's lots, like they're more horrifying than
you would expect them to be and uh, they've done
a lot, but it's just so heartbreaking. Yeah, and it's
so often and it's just so they had so much
information to go on based on that truck that you know,
there was a system set up they didn't find her. Yeah,

(40:22):
is scary. And I feel like someone knows their brother
in law rex brother in law or cousin or uncle
you know, is suspicious, but don't want to come forward. Yeah.
I think it's always that you know, yeah, or your
other guy. Yeah, but someone Yeah yeah, Yeah, Well that's

(40:43):
a good one.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Well mine is super gross and upsetting.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
It's but it's I feel like it's always a tiny
bit better when we when it's not a child murder.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah right, those are the ones that just get us.
I'm sorry, I know, but I think they're important, of course.
I mean it's horrifying, there's no like what, Yes, they're
definitely important. Like I'm apologizing because because it's like, it's hard,
it's a hard thing to talk about in here.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
So this one is we have gotten so many tweets
about it and so many requests to do this one
that I was like, who the fuck is this guy
that people keep on being like, how could you not
have done this yet?

Speaker 1 (41:28):
And so I started looking into it and there are
so many.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
It is so detailed that what I did was tapped
old Sarge Morris, No you didn't, And I was like,
can you help me do research?

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yeah, that's don't gonna make any sense until the week
after this episode. I don't care. By then it's going
to have caught like wildfire. S Morris, O, we're here,
so that's awesome. Yeah, so this is this is Stephen A.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Morris's research. But it's such a good story and it's
super intense. It's the story of Luca Magnata.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
The Canadian. Yes, dude, dude, dude, tell me everything.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
We always think the Canadians are so chill, sweet when
there were maple syrup and their flags, but not this
specific one who was born Eric Clinton Kirk Newman on
July twenty fourth, nineteen eighty two, in Scarborough, Ontario, when
he was twenty one. We don't know that much about

(42:31):
his childhood, but when he was twenty one, we know
that he started stripping in a Toronto club and appearing
in low budget gay porn. So not a glamorous life,
and that was In two thousand and three and two
thousand and four, he was convicted of impersonation and fraud
after he befriended a mentally incapacitated twenty one year old woman,

(42:54):
applied for credit cards in her name and charged up
ten thousand dollars in fees.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
This guy's got some fucking we're straight off the twenty
one year old bad ish.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
He use issues issues, It's some serious issues.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
I would say narcissism was going to be in there.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Sure at some point, sociopathies. Perhaps the sociops throw them
all in there.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Uh so he was. Before he was sentenced to nine
months of community service and twelve months probation. His lawyer
actually showed the court a medical record claiming that he
had significant psychiatric issues.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Ah. I want to read those reports so bad.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
I know, like details.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Yeah, Like some psychologists is sitting there in a fucking
room with him, and they're like, oh shit.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
I'm gonna underline significant. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
This person just like tried to get some money off
a person. But this motherfucker is like, this motherfucker is manipulating.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Mentally handicapped people to get credit cards and has like
I guess okay, that's this is just we're.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Laying down a base coat. When you do your nail,
this is the primer. This is like when you're making
when you're making something and you put in the what's
the thing with the you know, the carrots and the
celery and the u.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Not a rou is the like.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Sauce. Oh, you're right, listen, I have a cooking No,
I don't listen. I'm from the cooking tail rue. Okay,
So then no, wait, no, it's mere pa a mere
POAs the onions. Yes, a rou is the yes, so okay,
the rus the start of something else, like a besch

(44:38):
ma sauce. Great, like, wow, it's been a while, okay.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
So in two thousand and six, he legally changes his
name from Eric Clinton Newman to Luca Rocco Magnata. So
that's a completely made up name. Why did he which?

Speaker 1 (44:54):
I love it?

Speaker 2 (44:54):
He wanted to see aim Italian. You know how Italians are.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
So he applies for bank in March of two thousand
and seven, saying, uh citing illness, lack of employment, in
sufficient income to pay off his debts. Way, we've all,
we've all been there.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
But then after the bankruptcy, his quest for fame kicks
into high Garret was questing for fame.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
He's questing for fame in a big way. So she
wants money. He wants to live Sheila EA's glamorous life.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Like you and I know, like at this point, like
the fame, isn't it like what people say it is.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Steven cut that part out.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Fame is still popcorn ceiling, man, you got to get
that popcorn ceiling life. There's not r Kelly song called
popcorn ceiling.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
So uh okay. So here's what he does. He auditions
for a reality show called Cover Guy. Oh you can
see the opening credits. No, no, no, I'm saying in
your mind ever guy. He declares in his casting video
that quot a lot of people tell me I'm devastatingly
good looking.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
You know that that would sell now, But like whatever
year that was, they were like, what is this shit?

Speaker 2 (46:07):
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (46:09):
He was not chosen. He was a reject from from
Cover Guy. What'll break your Heart? More? Then?

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Well this that He auditions for the reality show Plastic
Makes Perfect, Oh, flaunting his multiple hair transplants, knows job,
explaining how he wanted to get pectoral implants. He was rejected. Yeah,
explain my face right now. So it's just not the
fame plan is not going as.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Expected to get rejected from the bottom of the barrel,
Like you know, is the bottom of the barrel show.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
You're not good enough for a plastic surgery show. Yeah so,
uh So, then what he started to do was focus
his efforts online. So he twice created Wikipedia pages for him,
only to have them taken down by the self policing community.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Imagine what was on those It's Wikipedia. Imagine the self
like the self policing community is like, they let so
much shit fly and then they're like, this fucking idiot,
not this guy, Not this fucking idiot.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Uh Then he created the rumor on message boards that
he was dating Carla Homolka the yep, the wife of
Paul Bernardo who killed two teenagers along with raping and
murdering her own sister.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
This is okay. I did not understand in my mind
whenever I saw people write this thing, I thought he
was poulper. I think I got these whole things, like
these whole things confused. Yeah, this is exciting.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
So this is a guy who he creates the rumor
on message boards that he is dating.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Her, but he's not the one who killed her sister. No,
that's her husband. God, I thought he really did that.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Then the husband goes to jail, she I think, goes overwhile,
but then gets out.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
That's all right.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
And then he decides to tell people he's dating her
now that she's to get that kind of infamy. That's
the level of celebrity he's going for now. But then
he calls into a radio show to deny the rumors
that he started online. Then he visits a newsroom in Toronto,

(48:23):
and that's the first time he's on mainstream press talking
about it and denying it.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Sorry, he said he dated her in the nineties, not
when she got out of jail, all right.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
So then there's many profiles on various Internet social media
and discussion forums created over several years to plant false
or unverified claims about him, and he would himself immediately
dismiss these as rumors and hoaxes, and a campaign of cyberstalking.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
According to the police.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Magnotas set up at least seventy Facebook pages and twenty
websites under different names.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Seventy Facebook pages. Can you imagine how many naps that is?

Speaker 2 (49:12):
I mean, how many other things could you have been doing? Nap,
How much more plastic surgery could you have gotten? In
twenty ten, this is the part where it's going to
turn and you're going to get upset.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Okay to children, get well, then I don't care, okay.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
In twenty ten, he posted a video called one Boy,
Two Kittens No, where he is succeeded two tabby cats
using a vacuum cleaner, yeah, and a plastic bag.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
This is why I've never heard of him, and until
he was tracked.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Down, he was just known as the vacuum kitten killer.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
How does that even want? So you put? Oh my god, yeah,
that was a big jump from seventy facebooks.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
I know.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
All that other stuff isn't working, so he keeps doing
things attempt after attempt attention. Now it is right. So
then he's because he's a sociopath, because he doesn't really
care and he doesn't have any empathy.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Jesus Christ, he does that? Oh my god? Okay, Okay.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Now we're in twenty twelve and it is May twenty
sixth and a Montana lawyer named Roger Renville sees a
bizarre Internet video depicting a man being stabbed and dismembered.
He alerts US and Canadian police about this video and

(50:41):
they dismiss it as a fake. He just saw it
like where it was posted.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
So it was uploaded.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
It was called one Lunatic, one ice Pick, and it
was uploaded to two gore sites, which were super explicit
places with that were just like super violent.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
I love that. This guy who's like on gore sites
is like, this is too much for me, like what
you know, like it had to be that awful.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Well, he's a lawyer, so maybe he was looking on
there for this reason.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Okay, Well because he reported it to the police, so
it looked really like oh maybe he's like seen gore,
like real crime scenes and bodies, so he knows what
it looks like. Yeah, that's kind of I think that's
what they said.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Holy shit. Meanwhile, Luca Magnata has flown from Montreal to Paris,
and when he arrives in Paris he was wearing a
wig and a Mickey Mouse T shirt. Super chill and
then so basically that was on the twenty six it
was when he flew to Paris. Three days later, on
the twenty ninth, the residents of his apartment building, start

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complaining of a foul smell.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Nope, never complain of a foul smell.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
So the janitor then discovers a suitcase next to a
mountain of garbage bags behind the building, and inside is
the headless torso of a man. Now six pm that
same night, a package containing a human foot is received
at the Conservative Party of Canada head headquarters in Ottawa,

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and it had been mailed from Montreal. At nine pm,
a package addressed to the Liberal Party headquarters in Ottawa
was discovered by postal employees to contain a human hand.
What So, after taking statements and finding evidence in the trash,
including a blunt instrument and papers identifying Luca Magnatta, they

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and the police enter his apartment.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
So like he did this on purpose, like sent this shit,
like knowingly that it was his step, like gonna lead
to him on purpose? Uh sounds like it. No, what
do you mean? Never mind? No, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Okay, Just so police enter his apartment and it's actually
a very dark studio apartment. And then they find a
bloody mattress and blood in the refrigerator and scrawled and
read ink inside a closet.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Other words, if you don't like the reflection, don't look
in the mirror. I don't care. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
So when a rest warrant is issued for Luca Magnata,
so uh, the Inner Pol adds him to the wanted
list and people in Uh, he was in Paris and
he was declared an international fugitive and uh, he's they

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start getting you know, the cops start getting a ton
of tips that he's at a bar, he's trying to
crash a house party.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
He actually took the bus to Berlin.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
His name was all over the papers and all over television,
and the French media nicknamed him the Butcher of Montreal
and the German media nicknamed him the Porno Killer.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
So the Butcher of Montreal is way cooler. He uh,
much better. So he gets to.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Uh, this is this is my favorite part. He gets
to in Berlin. He gets to an internet cafe. This
is about a week after all that, and the guy
that's working there, a man walks in wearing sunglasses and
makeup and says, bonur Internet, and so the guy kind
of notices him.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
This episode is called bonour Internet, right, and.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
So the guy working there recognizes this man's face who
walked in, but he can't place it, and so he's
looking at the guy. So the guy goes over to
a computer and you know, rents it out, and the
guy from his workstation is looking down at the monitor
that this guy is using, and he noticed that this

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man who's wearing sunglasses is looking at article after article
about the killer in Montreal, and so then he puts it.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Together that it's him. So can you imagine.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
So basically they go up and they're just like, you're
that guy, right, He goes, you caught me?

Speaker 1 (55:10):
A what in the fucking fun? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:12):
So he basically got caught because he was giggling pictures
of himself.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Idiot. So I feel like, you just there's nothing good
that happens in internet cafes and yeah, not anymore, you
know what I mean? Like, yeah, something's wrong. It's over now.
Yeah maybe nineteen ninety seven, ninety eight, that was the
last time. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
So then on June fifth, the package containing a right
foot was delivered to Saint George's School. Another package containing
a right hand was sent to False Creek Elementary School
in Vancouver. Both schools opened as normal in the follow
the following morning, and it was confirmed that both packages
were sent from Montreal.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
But were they staggered, like who was sending them?

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Then he was sending them all from Montreal, but they
were different places, so like Vancouver earther away. So Magnata
is arrested and then he's transferred to a Berlin prison
hospital and a psychiatrist believes that he's in a psychotic state.
So meanwhile, the police identify the torso victim as Lynn

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Juhn and he's a thirty three year old Chinese computer
science student at Concordia University. It's unclear how he met
Luca Mangotta.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
But at an internet cafe.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Well, they say that Magota had been posting men seeking
men in the Men's Seeking Men's section of Craig's List
under an alias, and so basically they go back and
check the video and they see Lynn Jun had been
had entered Luca Magnata's apartment building. And then like the

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next day is when they see the video where Luca
Magnotta is taking things out and putting them in the
garbage can.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
He just wanted to love and be loved and like
got murdered. That's so sad.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah, yeah, So then he gets taken back to Canada
on a military plane, and then they find Lynn John's
skull at the edge of a small lake in uh
and Grin and Grinnon Park after they get an anonymous tip,
so someone may have found it. And so not only

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does Luca Magnota go to trial obviously he's arrested and
charged with murder, but the police charged the website owner
who posted one Lunatic whatever the name of that video was.
That guy got charged with corrupting morals one Lunatic one

(57:51):
ice pick why And he ended up going because it
was real, but he didn't know it was real. Well,
but it's his responsibility. He probably, I think probably in
watching it, like the lawyer, did you know?

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Oh god, so is.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
It out there? Can you? Like, I wonder if it's
out there?

Speaker 2 (58:10):
I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Did you ever watch like, what was that website? It
wasn't sick dot com, but it was something like that.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Rotten dot com. Rotten dot com.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Yeah, did you ever click through that? Yeah? That's traveling.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Yeah it's a bummer, but I've seen yeah, go on.
So basically he just goes to court and he ends
up they give him a life sentence with without the
chance of parole for at least twenty five years. And
they try to say in the court case that he's

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basically that he was crazy, and uh, it doesn't work,
and he gets basically the full extent. Uh. And they
added on all these other charge. It was like first
degree murder but then also committing an indignity to a
human body, publishing obscene material, criminally harassing. Prime ministered. I

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mean all that sending stuff together and stuff made it all,
you know.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
So did they say what he had liked to how
he killed the guy? And then like was the dismemberment
after he was well.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
It's all in the video, so it looked like they
he stabbed him to death and then dismembered it.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
He says, Christ, can you imagine if you'd like watch
that being like this is fake, and then like going
back and being like, oh, you fucking watched him.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Well that's why all that stuff is like why would
you want that in your head? It's so it's such
a bummer and it's such bad vibes, even if you're
faking something like that, like what the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Well, I'll look up like crime scene photos sometimes and
then like I there's ones that are like clear they
clearly can't be fake, and I'd be like, Nope, it's fake.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
It's like I have to.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Commit, like commit to it being fake or else I'll
lose my mind. Yeah, it's not.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
I don't think it's good to have those pictures in
your head.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
No, And it doesn't help you. It's not like you
can't imagine what it might be like, right. He also
so anyway, twenty fifteen, Luca Magnaughta he tried to file
an appeal for the convictions, but it didn't it didn't work,
and he actually withdrew the appeal himself. So apparently someone

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I don't know if, I don't know what happened, but.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
I was like, cut it out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
He was like, you know what, I'm going to drop
this whole fame thing. Maybe I'm going to try to
do something else. Finally, I'm just gonna get into Buddhism.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
So that's the story.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Now I understand why everybody was so obsessed with it,
because it truly is insane and horrible and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Beyond that's going to wait, I'm going to listen to
other people now, because like I always thought that I
always I never looked that one up. Everyone does constantly
want us to do that one, and I always thought
it was connected. I got that one and that horrible
couple kind of yeah, I always kind of thought it
was the same thing. It's like, I don't need to
know about this one, like, yeah, we know it's boring.

(01:01:07):
You know, they fucked her sister and they killed her
and like now she's out and it sucks. But like,
I didn't realize that's boring. No, it's just one of
the ones that everyone knows about, you know what I mean.
So I didn't realize I have never heard any of that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
I know me, I didn't know it was that like
crazy detailed. I didn't know he was like the idea
that you're sending body parts to the Prime Minister or
to like grammar schools all those things where and then
knowing his whole thing of wanting to be famous.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Like you're that needy that you would like he didn't
murder someone because he wanted to murder someone. He murdered
someone so he could put the video up online and
that's famous. It does seem like that is so gross.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
I mean, like I guess it's and it must be
an element of most killers the thought that like everyone
will know me or I'll have this power, sure they'll
all become renown or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
But like most of those people do like like, uh,
what are the killings? Can when like you're out in
public and you kill a bunch of people like a
mass murder, like they do mass murders to do that,
not what he did, which is like so personal and creepy,
and then it's almost like forcing other people to watch
it well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
And also it's it almost seems like just this lame
modern version where it's just like, oh, I'll put it
on YouTube, but you know what I mean, I'll put
my super gross, you know, serious mental problem on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
YouTube and get a bunch of hits and like force
other people to have to deal with that having seen
that for the rest of their lives. Yeah, but I
mean that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
If you're looking, you're gonna find out, Like you have
to remember if you're if you're on a horrible gore site,
then that's what you might look at, and then you're
gonna have that in your head. Don't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
As someone who like can't sleep at night, it's so
easy to just kind of like click on this thing
and click on the next thing, and then suddenly you
find yourself at this like place and then suddenly you
see so you don't want to see, but you can't
look away. It's like not like you're like fucking typing
in like man murders another man. It's like you just

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like I've seen some shit that I didn't realize I
didn't want to see until I saw it, you know
what I mean? Yeah, and it's hard to get out
of your head. But who are you to like other
people are looking at it because they want to see it.
It's fucked up. Yeah, uh, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
That was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
We finally did that one. Finally. Thank you, no, thank you.
Can I tell you I forgot about this? I was
we moved in this new place this weekend, and the
first day we moved in, I was walking down this
like the staircase and this like girl with a really
cute dog walked up and she was just like cool girl,
like not cool, you know, she was like someone I

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would have drinks with a cool girl, and I could
have sworn we walked by each other. She whispered, day sexy.
I am serious. I think she whispered to stay sexy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
That's creepy, which.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Is so creepy. But I think I'm also I think
I'm also really paranoid. No, I know, I'm also really
a paranoid. You're definitely really paranoid. But it sounded like
she said something like that, I mean, I guess you'll
find out. So I'm gonna die to the positive thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
That's what I thought you were doing. And then then
it turned into that I thought you were doing a
positive thing when you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Said that story that's not positive. It's not I realize
now that's it was just like a twist aru at
the end. My real positive thing. So I'm in this
new apartment, a new apartment complex, and uh, there's this
thing that happened yesterday and it puts two of my
favorite words together as one. And so my positive thing

(01:04:55):
is jacouzie cat.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
There's a fucking giant black cat and Vincent, I'm on
the jacuzzi. This fucking giant black cat strolls over to
the side of the chacuzzi and like I thought, I
was in fucking Narnia, Like let me pet him with
my wet hand, Like I just was petting him, and
then he had a collar on. I looked at the collar.
His name was fucking Guss.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
While you're sitting in.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Im in the Choosi was about to cry because how
happy I am that I get to be in like
this is my dream. I can't believe this. And then
this cat just fucking saunters on a named Gus Like
that's a fucking thing. And he was like I think
he was an alien, Like he was kind of like
watching the perimeter, but like letting me, like only me

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pet him like wet hand, like a wet hand.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
It was like it was a dream. It was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
That's good news about your future.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Jacuzie experiences CHACUZI.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Yet what if it's a different one next to her?
Annabelle comes up. She's all white, oh my god, with
one green eye and one blue eye.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Dude, Steve and I were just talking about how there's
a fucking cat at the fucking cash shelter named Cappuccino
who's white with one green eye and one fucking blue eye,
whoa named Cappuccino. No, yes, but it's still a white
cat with a blue and a green eye. Fucking matrix. Man,

(01:06:23):
I don't care what my therapist says about detachment fucking issues. Yeah,
this is the matrix. Yoh yeah, you gotta tap in,
You just gotta tap in. What's yours?

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Well, I guess I would say it was going to
see the Golden Girl's Life, which I had to get.
I went and did Jamie Lee's podcast, so I was downtown.
It was kind of far away, and I bought this ticket.
And when I went to buy the ticket for Golden
Girls Live, you usually can roll up and buy as
many tickets as you want. It's like one of the

(01:06:55):
scrollly things. And I could only roll up to one.
So I was like, oh, whatever, I'll if I can
only have one, all of one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
So I bought that ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
So it turns out I bought the last ticket. The
guy told me because he was like, you're not on
this list, and he like checked it a ton of times,
and then he went on to the website to get
their list, and then he goes, he watched one girl's
name disappear and my name took.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Her place, and he goes, literally bought the last ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
I'm like, machell, yes, So I had to sit in
a chair in the aisle.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
He goes, here, you can you can sit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Right here, and so like everyone else's kind of you
know how it is in that room. It's like raised
up and I was like someone's weird handicapped grandma where
I was just in a chair in the aisle, like
the fire here. Yeah, exactly. So the show starts, the
lights go down, and they put up the opening screen
of the Golden Girls, and then the theme song starts

(01:07:47):
and everybody starts singing the theme song. No, everyone starts
singing the theme song together, and it was everyone was
like laughing and smiling. It was like a very beautiful,
like bonding moment in this weird way where it was
just really nice and it was you know, it's like
eighty people or something.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
I would playse bring me next time. I would love
to go. Yeah, we should totally go.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Would be so fun. But it was just like a
lovely First of all, I like a group sing it's
always very like cathartic. But then everyone knows every word
to the theme song to the Golden Girls, and like
some people really belting it out, and it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Brings you back to like a moment in time, like
you you know, I stayed at home. I was a kid,
and I watched that with my family. Yeah, totally Friday night.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Yeah you did it was that was That's what was
going on with everybody with the whole It was really lovely.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
They have a mug I follow Jackie beat on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Oh I bought one of those mugses.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
It say thank you for being a cut It's all
those guys dressed up as the Golden Girls, thank you
for being a cunt. It's like, I can't even handle
how fucking amazing that is. Yeah, it's super good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
So you know, that's a great moment. So what a
great capper. That's our episode. Thanks for listening.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
You know, Twitter, Facebook places, merch Instagram feelings.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Here we go buy tickets. If you're in a city
where it is not sold out, we'd love to see you.

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