February 23, 2016 • 48 mins
For their first themed episode, Karen and Georgia discuss children who kill their parents, featuring Alex & Derek King and Jasmine Richardson. The ladies also discuss TV shows The People vs. OJ and Autopsy, and read listener hometown murders.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
So Hi, Hi, Karen, it's time once again did talk
about murder?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Move Welcome to my favorite murder. Hi welcome. That was Georgia.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
That's Karen, and we are here to talk to you
about the thing that you want to talk about the most,
because we do too.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Murder that your friends don't want to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
You know, when some people are fear based, and that's fine,
that's the way they live. They want to they want
to put their hands over their eyes and pretend like
it's reality, isn't happening?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, But not us, friends, No, some of us want
to just like jump into the pool of terror. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
So there's a old saying you have to go into
the mouth of the ghost. That's what we do here.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
We are the ghost Mouths.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Weird adventures into ghost mouths.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So suck it. Did you see that the house from
the first season of American Horror Story, the Haunted House.
You can now airbnb that house? Can we record an
episode from there?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Like, oh my god, that brick thing that has like
the turrets and stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
It's like a like a gothic Yeah, yeah, like arts
and crafts gothic.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Where where the guy from the law show lived And
like they had the maid and stuff. Yes, yes, okay
that I liked that first season a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I had to choose spending the night there, middle of
the night, lights off, quiet, We'll do some ghosts hunting,
ghost stuff, ghostly stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Was there a murder taking place in there at all
aside from the TV show? I know, no, just but
it is a creepy old house. Yeah, I'm into that.
I mean, maybe the murder hasn't been found yet. We'll
dig up the yard.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Maybe it'll happen that night somewhere nearby, like in that
dig up the yard.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, just start digging for bone or looking burns.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
We haven't talked about my new favorite show, the O. J.
Simpson Ugh show. Love it. That's called The People Versus
O J. Simpson. Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It is also one of my favorite shows. David Swimmer,
Oh shwim stop it. You're breaking my heart.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Stop it. What about when they were in Chinchin.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
The Kardashian family went to Tensin.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
That is so la if you don't listen.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Chinchin is a terrible Chinese chain or delicious, depending on
who you are.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I haven't heard of it since the nineties.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
It is so nineties, like it's where we used to
go when I moved here in nineteen ninety four. Really
all the time, that was like the place everyone wanted
to go. It was like the ivy yeah, but like
but cheap and in the valley.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
And the idea that they were like we cut the
line and the h is so oh my.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
God, like this is where we want to go because
this is where like I went to bot Mitzwazz of
these kind of girls where it's like we got to change,
Like I went to camp. I went to camp with
the Fonsa's daughter. Oh and so they probably went to
Chinchin want I bet.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Because they eat that Chinese chicken salad. Back then everybody
thought it was diet. That's how the nineties were. It's
good that show is great. I love that it's going
off the premise that he totally did it. Well yeah,
because he did, I know. Is the thing he a
fucking did he really really did? Because that's the thing is,
(03:33):
as we discuss and find in all of these stories
that we tell in cases that we talk about, things
happen for a for a reason, and be the people
that do them have histories of doing things and it's
never It's so strange that still the legal system treats
these things like it's out of the blue. Word's like, yes,
if a man consistently beats the ship at his wife,
(03:56):
that will escalate, that things escalate.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yep. Well, you know what I think is really interesting
is that instead of looking into the history and why
and what happened exactly and what's the most obvious answer,
the answer is then to give them a defense attorney
to argue a fucking fantasy or like a fucking daydream
that they somehow didn't do it and here is why
(04:21):
maybe it didn't happen, you know, or this way or
that it's like.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Or just those huge distractions of like basically they were
putting the lapd on trial, which they deserved because the
Rodney King writes had just you know, the Rocky King
beating had just happened, and that's like.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
So not even close to the same thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
But the argument of a black man can't get a
fair trial, or like, you know, that the system is
against black people and black men specifically was so true
and had never been really broached before. And I remember
white people being like that's crazy, Yeah, that's such a
bunch of crap, and it's like, how would you know.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Ude, Okay, Rodney King's trial took place in see Me
Valley with zero black people on the jury. Yeah, I
think it was even all men. I mean it was
one woman. Ridiculous. No, it's bad Seem Valley, which is
like the whitest fucking place in Los Angeles with zero
black people on the jury. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Anyways, no, yeah, not a jury of his peers looking
like just just crooked and bad all around. So there
is a kind of like it was a getback.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
In a way.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, it was absolutely to watch it, like that's right
when I moved here, all that stuff happened, and you
like we're living through it. I remember being in I
think it was Golden Apple Comics and they were like
OJ's running the bronco Is on the highway and running
up to our friend Laura's house and everybody just gathering
there and watching watching it on TV.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Well, I just remember when the I remember when the
verdict was about to be read. It was like, Okay,
everyone knows he's guilty, he should be he should be convicted.
Nobody wants an other riot and that's we It was
so traumatizing the first riot that it was like it
wasn't worth it to see him be convicted because that
(06:12):
was fucking scary and no one wanted to go through
that again, right, So, and it's almost all it would
have happened. Yeah, And it was almost a relief when
he when it was not guilty, because it was like, Okay,
you know what, Black people deserve this after what we
fucking put them through here in Los Angeles. Yeah, well
it's it.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
You know, It's just weird though, because when you watch it,
it's such a fascinating thing, like watching them Marcia Clark
and her whole team acting like it's a slam dunk case.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Oh when you know what's really going to happen. Marcia Clark,
what's her character from American Horror Story?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
She's incredible And Sarah Paulson, Yeah that but her hair
is so distressed. I just all I can do is
think about how long it took to curl every piece
of that.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Oh that was that a perm or was she like
you absolutely can't permme?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Or is it it must have been a wig? No one,
no one lets anybody perm their hair anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Ye do they know? I don't know. The sad thing,
of course, is the murder victims that just didn't get
any recognition. No, it was not about them at all.
I just can never forget that. I never forgot the
quote that, like Nicole was almost decapitated. That's how deep
it Wasn't he slit her throat? She was almost decapitated.
(07:23):
He was like going berserk. Yeah he cut and it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
It's so crazy, and like that idea of how they
started the whole thing with the dog with bloody feet
walking up like the guy finding a dog.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
It's a good show.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
It's very good and then also insanely cheesy. Yeah, it's
so enjoyable. Like John Travolta got a blessing.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
He is killing it. He's my face.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Do you think he was really like that Robert Shapiro, Yeah, probably,
but he didn't have blue eyes, you know that, right.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
It's really corny. There's so many corny things. Every single
every single line that Shea Clark says is like cut
to commercial, Like she can't say a line without it
cutting to commercial.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
But the best was at the end of the last
episode and.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
She just goes, motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I think that's the first motherfucker on TV, right, I
think so it's effects right, So they're a little edgy
when she says motherfucker, which she says that about Johnny Cochran. Yeah,
he joined the team and he's his story's right too.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Oh it's everyone is Yeah, but I really just want
to hug David Swimmer.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, because he's such a He's who knew that was it?
Robert Kardashian, who knew he was such a great guy, who.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Knew he was a great guy that would spawn the
literal devils.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Like the Downfall, all those discussions where they're like, you
can't it's not about fame, right, I have to have
a good heart.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Well, I keep thinking about his are his kids watching
him being like, fuck my dad, I miss my dad?
Probably sad it is he died like not too long
after that, which is so sad. I'm sure. Can you
imagine how stressful would have been to be that guy
in that situation, that guy knows his friend is guilty
and has to defend him. He also had to use
the phrase uncle juice a lot, which I think may
(09:10):
have been the thing that killed him. Yeah, that would
be hard. Uncle juice. It's not their real uncle. Oh,
Chris Jenner killing it. Oh, Selma Blair got a Blair.
Do you think she was like, this is the end
of my career or was she stoked about it? Stoked?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Okay, yeah, because you see all those other people on
that cast.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
That's true, that's true. I love this. They're great. Yes,
all right, Oh not stough to talk about the right
that we're both watching autopsy. But should we save that
for yes? Okay?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I and that I actually somebody recommend I'm sorry, I
don't have the name, because someone mentioned it to us
on the Twitter page. Oh yeah, and it was a
man and he said, oh, autopsy was amazing. I watched
all of it and I went autopsy hut and then
I looked it up and I had never seen it.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You could never heard of it or seen that. I
think I may have heard of it, but i'd never
seen it. Had I always just figured it and I
think I had like watched maybe one the wrong episode
where like he was literally just in an autopsy room
cutting into someone and talking and discussing it, which I
thought the whole thing was like that. And no, it's
like it's like case stories from this crazy guy, like
(10:16):
his crazy corners passed and how he saved crimes based
on the autopsy. Yeah, it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And like the most And also they kind of fold
in like I've watched a couple now the last time,
the last when I was watching was number nine when
I texted.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You, because it's other people.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
They get other corners in there too, because they're basically
just getting all the craziest stories. Yeah, and I won't
I won't give that when a way and just let
people watch it. It's so good.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I want to know. It's what I texted you.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
They opened up a guy, Yes I should, I just say,
there's voodoo dolls inside inside.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Of his bodies. Wait, Karen, I read that as inside
of his coffin.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
No, are you inside of his.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's why I was so gonna go. I'm gonna go cry.
I thought you might like yeah, they they I thought
because I read it as like next to still, that's
fucked up?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Okay, And it turned out the woman that ran the
funeral home was practiced voodoo.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
You got to see her too, you got it. She
is worth the entire episode. Totally normal, right.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
She has the best hair I've ever seen, and she's
a badass, and she was basically trying to get rid
of all the other funeral homes, like all her competitors,
and do better financially. So she made voodoo dolls for
all of them, and then so up inside this man's core.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
At what point in that whole operation, are you like,
I might be a little crazy. Yeah, this might not
be a great idea. Yeah, this could come back. Yeah,
what will this look like from the outside? Just everyone,
You can be as crazy as you want, but act normal, yeah,
or just try to step out for one second.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I'd be like, if someone discovers this, how crazy will
I love totally?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
That's good advice. I think that is too, so I
everye watch Autopsy. Someone on Twitter suggested, or on our
Facebook page. We have a Facebook group, my favorite Murty Cantin.
Someone suggested that we just do a live up, but
we're just do an episode where we just watch an
episode of Autopsy and just talk about it. That's a
great idea. I can watch along with us, A very
good idea. I love it. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, you can go on because it's on HBO go
or HBO or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Apparently there's a lot of episodes on YouTube as well.
Oh good, Yeah, there's like you can find them everywhere.
Love it. We're gonna have all kinds of events. Yeah,
it's also a little dated, which I fucking love when
I'm watching true crime. Shit, do you ever go back
and watch Forensic Files? Yoh yeah, it's like it's like
two thousand and two, which doesn't seem that long ago. Please,
it's so long. The blouses tell a different story. Oh,
(12:50):
it's so good, so good, so good. I can even
deal with reenactments when they're like vintage reenactments.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, I love reenactors. Well, that's a whole different I can't.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I can't watch a re enactment and not picture the
person's headshot and their whole family watching because it's Billy's
big break or whatever. Yes, I always think about that.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Sometimes they cast women that actually look like real women,
so it's like this is like she's the one that
got picked finally, you know, like in probably in her
agency or whatever.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, but then you think about the like the breakdown
of what they were calling for, and it's like big
fat stupid woman murders, murderers like that, nobody trusts them,
likes and it's like, oh, that's that's what I got
cast as you know what, no small parts. Everybody has
got to get their stories. No small part.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Oh no, who would play us? Well, someone Blair would
play me?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Definitely, definitely, and I'll take it. Okay. I feel like
I always start with my favorite murder. Do you want
me to go first?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Do you want to go first? I will?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
And this is under the guys. We were talking about
kids that kill but I don't know if we still
did that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I did, Oh good, So we decided that we're now
going to have every episode has a theme or like
a you know, a what's a point a subject at
that point? Or yeah, just I mean I guess theme's
the right word theme or subject? Yeah, so we can
kind of like matching match. So this is kids. Were
we doing kids that kill their parents?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
That's what I did? Okay, okay, yay, we did it.
So I did Alex and Derek King.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Which I don't know about. So I'm excited to hear
this because you sent me a photo and I was like,
I'm not looking this out, just tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So the first time I ever saw these kids on
the news, Alex King at the time, I think he
was either twelve or thirteen. He looked like he was
eight years old. He looked like a baby face baby,
very small boy. And his brother it was like a
year maybe two years older than him.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Derek King.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Was kind of bigger, like, looked like a teenager.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I'm gonna get cozy. Yeah, lady, lay all the way down.
I want to tell you a story.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
So, and I remember seeing it where it was like,
you know, kids do kill and whatever, and they'd killed
their father. So the deal was house was on fire.
Fireman good to put the fire the house out. They
put the fire out and go in and then in
the other part of the house it isn't burnt. They
find a dead body and they know that it's dead
(15:24):
from not from the fire, but they can see that
it has headwones. And so the next day Alex and
Derek King turned themselves into the Sheriff's tell me their
age again, twelve and thirteen, all I should, yeah, babies.
And you got to see the picture, the one mugshot
of Alex King. He's just got zits oliver his forehead.
(15:45):
He just is like it's a child, child, it's like
sixth grade, seventh grade. Yeah, And so they turn themselves
in and they say that they had run away from
home because their dad was too strict, to their dad's friend,
Ricky Chavez's house, and they stayed there for a week,
(16:05):
and they knew that he was gonna They knew they
were gonna get punished when they went back home, so
they decided to.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Kill him to avoid being.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Punished, and because their children, because they're children, and also
they ran away because their dad.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
So what it happened.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
It's a very sad story, of course, but it's like
the mother and father have Alex and Derek Alex, and
then she has twins and then she leaves all four boys,
leaves the husband and just Baiales.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I will never be able to wrap my head around
moms who just later. I mean dad's too, but you know.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Well, I and in this story particularly, there's a lot
of things I wish I knew more about, and I read.
I read every single article on Google when I put
their names in, I just went down until I got
to there was an article on the NAMBLO website, which
is the National Association for Man Boy Love or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
That's the thing you can click on. You can click
on it.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I didn't read until after I clicked and read this story,
and at the end it was like a person that
was trying to rationalize or I was like, oh my god,
where have I gone?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Because I just kept on re sure I've never come
across that in all my weird It was like the
tenth article and you can click on it. Do you
think that the government is tracking you now? And they
should be like that?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
But it was the only the defense I have is
that it was just the next article down, Like I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Say anything different or anything inflammatory. Well, so it told
this part of the story.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
It is inflammatory, but it's that creepy, creepy thing of
So they ran to Ricky Chevez's house, and the reason
they'd like to go there is because he let them
smoke pot and play video games, and he was molesting
Alex and he had convinced Alex that they were in love.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
This guy was thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
That they were in love and that Alex was gay
and that, and so this here in starts the soap
opera of this story, because.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Jesus, I was not expecting that angle. Yeah, it's it's rough.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
So the namble article, of course, is like people don't
understand these relationships or whatever, where I was like wait.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
What hold hold lock?
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, it's creepy. But so that guy drove them to
the sheriff's department to turn themselves in. But then they
got him and they were like, so, what exactly are
you doing here? And then it turns out so he
gets held for like aiding in a bedding essentially, you know,
like keeping them.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Did he have anything? Okay, but he knew that they
had killed his dad when they were set there.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Okay, So the two those the two young boys confess
and they have their confessions taped, and they're very detailed.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Can you watch them? Can you watch them? You can't?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Probably no, it's tape recorder from what I understand, Okay.
But then a little while later they recan't, like a
couple months later, and I think that's probably when they
got lawyers, and when the lawyers like put everything out
and were like, hold on a second, yeah, you were
you ran to the molester's house to hang out the
(19:04):
day after you killed your father. What's really going on here?
And then they came back and said that we were
we were trying to cover for Ricky.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
It turned out he.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Killed our father and this whole thing was his idea,
and that is that's where it all started. And I
remember when I saw that news story, it was like
he was base. They were basically presented as like these
evil children, like you immediately believed that they you.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
It was such a bias, It was such a weird bias.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
They were like, he has and this young one has
a relationship with this guy.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
As if that kid is somehow perpetuating the relationship or
his fault. But yes, he's seducing the older man.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, because they're they're basically trying to sell the story
of like these two devil children. No one really, as
we all know, it's like this guy was in their life.
So clearly Alex was being groomed for a long time,
and you know, it's just the grossest thing. So basically,
when the MO bailed the dad after a little while,
I was like, I can't handle four boys by myself.
(20:04):
So they all got put in, like Alex went to
a foster home. The twins went somewhere else, and then
the older boy went and lived with the principal of
the local high school.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Now that can't be I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
And then he stayed there until like two months before
this murder. So and Alex came back from the foster home.
I can't get any information about what happened, but they
said it didn't like it didn't work out for something.
But we all know what foster homes, sure and can
be like sure so. But Alex was doing good at
home with his dad. Then Derek showed up and then
(20:37):
two months later the dad's murder.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Do we know, did the mom come back for the trial?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, the mom not only came back for the trial
when they they basically were found guilty. I think they
were found guilty of second gree murder or something.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
The mom showed up, they hit him with something and
then set his mind on baseball back some of them.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Derek kid him with the baseball bat. Alex said it
was his idea, and then they left the house on
fair because they thought they were going to get rid
of all the evidence.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
If you're going to kill someone and then let their
body and fire, if they don't have charred lungs, it's
clear that they didn't die in the fire. Everyone.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, but you can't just burn somebody. It doesn't work
that way. It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
And I mean, yeah, I'm telling people how to get
away where yeah, like almost kill them so that they
inhale the smoke when they know.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Okay, I mean, yeah, that's one way, but still they
might find stuff on the body.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
You can't get away with killing someone anyway.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
It's very difficult to get away with killing some So
they also brought the guy up on charges, all kinds
of charges. They'd like the aiding and betting thing, and
they had on kidnapping and of course like ten counts
of molestation. He had already he was a convicted pedophile.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Of course he was. How was he the family friend?
That's what I wanted. This is why you don't make
friends with people at all ever.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
But so so anyway, they have to like they have
two trials. The two boys are tried, and then this
guy is Ricky is tried.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
We just starts spreading this room.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
But they so they try the adult man first and
then steal his the results and so when the boys
are tried, we don't know whether or not that jury
found that guy guilty because it'll influence the jury. Yeah,
because they basically were both oh because sorry, So like
three months after they made that confession, then they got
(22:31):
the lawyer.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
They lawyered up. They basically came back and said he
did it.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
We were covering for him, and this whole thing was
his plan, and we were in the trunk the whole
time and he.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Did all of it.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
And he was like nope, yes, And so that guy's
lawyer has to represent a child molester who is it
is being accused of murder by children. Like the whole
thing is so crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
That's what I'm saying about defense, Like the defense attorney
should look. I wish the idea was for everyone together
to look for the truth instead of making some shit up. Yeah,
or like here's a technicality, and this is why you know,
I can't imagine defense attorneys like themselves that much.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
No, well, it must be really hard, but then there
are there. They're doing it for those people that are
like a few innocent, right, but this guy was so
not innocent. But the weird thing was they didn't convict
him on the ten molestation charges. They didn't like he
They basically brought more charges against him and then like
(23:32):
the thing he finally got convicted for was like was
like holding a minor against their will or something, and
he got thirty five years for it, like a maximum.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
That's a lie. The one thing they could make stick.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, But because those boys had lied and done all
that stuff, it made this guy look better than he
should have looked. And there are a lot of people
who still feel like no one ever heard what really
actually happened, because there's no way that that child molester
was just an innocent bystander in that whole thing.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, when you think about these kids who were twelve
and thirteen but looked really young, does that mean that
how do they hit their dad over the head with
a baseball bat and kill him? That doesn't sound like
something a young looking twelve with thirteen like a slight
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Like that's well, the older Derek is the one that
did it, and he was a little taller and bigger.
But the guy was sitting in like a lazy boy recliner,
and so he may have been asleep. He may just
snuck up on them just because they had run away,
so they weren't in the house, they weren't.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Around, so they snuck into the house and kill them.
And what's the story with the dad? Was he like
a dick too? Like? Was it?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
There's no proof. That's the other thing is that they
couldn't prove anything. They couldn't prove the molestation. Everything was
worth it. It was not word of mouth, but yeah,
hear's there or whatever. And the dad, they just said
the dad was really strict and sometimes he would stare
at them and they didn't like it. So I think
it was just like those kids just looked worse and
(25:03):
worse and worse and worse every time they talked about any.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, so it's like the dad was a dad trying
is trying.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
To be Maybe he was a dick, but he was trying,
you know, but who knows? Like and also it was
his friend. This totally the other the child luster or
was his friend. That's the reason that guy was in
their life. So who knows?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Don't you like, do you wonder about like people we
know they're like, oh, like they are a child Like
what if they tried to be a child loster, you
would never know, you would never know.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Secrets, secrets. And now they're both out of jail. Shut
they eventually got convicted. The older one got eight years
in jail and the little one got seven Jesus, and
now they're out and one is like on drugs and
violated his parole had to go back. They Alex, the
younger one, because he got like into a car accident
(25:56):
or something. It's all just really terrible and sad down
the street from here. No, no, this all happened in Florida, Okay,
but then they moved to somewhere in Texas.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I think, damn crazy, so crazy. And also, as I
was doing it, I was like, oh, I love the story.
It's so disgusting and crazy. But then there's no real answers,
which drives me nuts.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I want to talk to the mom. Oh she came in.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Not only did she come in in the eleventh hour,
but she Rosie O'Donnell hired her two lawyers for the boys.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Oh really, yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Why because I think she was afraid they weren't getting
like a fair a fair thing, so she puts some lawyers,
Florida lawyers.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
On retainer for them. Ros uh huh. Interesting. Yeah, Oh
that mom. I hope she's backing is can't have more kids?
Well I don't. Yeah, I think she's out of the game.
I think she kind of didn't do it very good.
I bet she takes zero responsibility.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Well, she was in there trying to say, like you
you here's how it needs to go. And the prosecuting
attorney was like, lady, they wouldn't be here if you
paid any attention to that ouch.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, which is true. I mean totally true.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
You can't just bail and then come back, you know,
when everything's gone to shit.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
You can't bail on You can't bail my mom or dad.
You can't bail in your kid and expect them to
have an okay life. No, you can't do that, especially mom,
especially mom. Not to be fucking sexist, but it's true.
It's true. You're you're telling your kids they're not wanted.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, that they don't matter to you, the one person
that matters the most of them.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Totally. This is a fun subject, that's mine. That's a
good one. Is what is it called? Is it like
the I guess the Derek and Alex King. Okay, yeah,
that makes sense. All right. I want to hear my
favorite murder I really do for children who killed their parents. Yes,
mine is the Richardson family murder. Okay, So in medicine
(27:59):
hat Alberta, Canada. I love when Canadians get violent, you know, Canadians.
I've been noticing from the Facebook group there's a lot
of fuck up murders in Canada. Yeah there are, and
yeah it's really interesting because there's like so much wide
open space. Totally, this is Canada's youngest multiple murderer. Oh
she her name is Jasmine Richardson. Is this the one
(28:20):
that's twelve but looks like she's twenty five? Shut up? Yes, sorry, sorry,
it's good. It's good. Yes, it totally is. So. In
April of two thousand and six, Mark Richardson, who's forty two,
dubb or Richardson who's forty eight. And this is a
fucking sad part. I mean it's all said, but Jacob Richardson,
who's eight years old, I've found dead and the daughter,
(28:44):
who was twelve years old was nowhere to be found.
So this is the reason there's photos of her out
there is because at first she was a missing person,
so they splayed her photo all over the news and
like where is this chick? Turns out they find her
the next day she gets arrested. She is twelve years old,
hot like goths chick dating a twenty three year old
dude named Jeremy Allen steink st E I m k
(29:10):
E thanky, thank you. He's the worst last name of all. No,
maybe here about it because he's like this gross. He's
like the dude that we probably dated in high school.
He's like a gross goth dude who looks like probably
wears eyeliner. He said he was a three hundred year
old werewolf that liked to taste of blood. He's like
that guy, like gross, I dated when I was like
(29:33):
fourteen and on drugs. I dated older dudes and I
thought it was the coolest. Like, this is what the
story interests me too, because it was like, oh, yeah,
I could have that could have been me. I mean,
I would never have killed my family, but who knows
if you get like pulled in by some weirdo. Yeah,
and he kind of it seems like, I mean, it
definitely seems like he's the one who the whole thing
on because he said he watched, like hours before the murder,
(29:56):
watched Natural Born Killers and was like, me and my
girlfriend know these people were gonna kill your family. So
they went in there. The dad. This is so graphic.
The dad was stabbed so many times, he didn't have
blood in him anymore. Oh my god. They found him
and then this is the saddest part. Don't listen if
you don't want to hear about children getting murdered, because
(30:18):
I don't even want this poor eight year old kid,
she sat up there, his big sister sat up there
with him. She says, she covered his ears. Well, his
parents got killed in the basement, and then because she
didn't want him to hear it. So it's like, well,
then she also didn't want him to get murdered. But
the guy came up there, the boyfriend, and was like
kill him. So together they kind of killed him, just
(30:42):
like disgusting and awful and like insane, insane, And it
makes me not she's twelve years old, but it makes
me have no sympathy for her anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
No, you know, no, if she could do that sit
with her brother and cover his ears or whatever, there's
some modicum of control that she had, or she taking
him out the windows totally or something.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Something except and now, man, she's going to community fucking
college and has a job and lives on her own. Oh,
because in you can't be tried and as an adult
when you're under fourteen in Canada for murder, so that
or in the longest you can get is ten years.
So she was twelve at the time, got ten years,
(31:25):
got out early. She's out under the care of a psychiatrist.
She expresses genuine remorse. Quote genuine. I mean I was
a little shit when I was young, but I would
but I knew you don't kill your family. Well, I
don't think it's I don't think it's a fair comparison.
(31:47):
You probably that of being a little shit and a
murderer is not the same thing.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Well, yeah, I mean that's true. And I wonder what
drugs they were doing. Were they on drugs together?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
It didn't talk about drugs, but they had to be
on something. Yeah, oh no, I know. So he got
three life sentences.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, so she essentially didn't like she only got punished
for a little while.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Punished for a little while. Uh, she's going to school.
I was reading a Reddit thing that's like someone was like, yeah,
we I go to this school and none of us
know who she is, even though there's photos of her
and she looks so much older. Look out Josmin Richardson.
She's like a pretty gothy girl who looks eighteen at
the least at the least, but you'd think that you
(32:34):
could recognize her. But everyone's like, we no one can
tell who she is.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Well, you know what, I bet she grew those eyebrows
in sure she got probably got a nice stencil, an
eyebrow stencil.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Let's say hair is bleached wand now maybe bleached wam
would be smart. No, or maybe she's like the most
square looking person in the world. Now she goes full
j crew full Ja crew. Yeah, that's a good way
to hide. Marcia Clark perm bugged out Marsha Clark. Yeah,
totally spray tan because you're not goth anymore.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
And Elsie or or she could be doing mousey brown
hair that almost isn't a color and like John lennonglasses
and just being like sexless plain Yeah, like the person
I always think about that of, Like if I ever
wanted to be a spy, I know exactly what I
would wear, and like, do.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
We don't look like spies?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
You?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And I know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
You'd like an old goth lady who stopped trying three
years ago.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
We would have to go real norm, real normal, not norm.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah, we would have to do it would have to
be light honey brown box.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Died and also like like cardigan sets, yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Like and like or maybe just like could just have
a shopping d hit marshals.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
We would have to look like I looked, or like
one would look when you have an office job you
hate and don't want to spend any money on the clothes. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
So it's those like buttoned down blouses that like are
roofed at the waist, and then a pencil skirt totally
it's easy to hide in plane sight.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Cheap shitty boots, shitty boots, black tights. And then your
purse is from clearly from payless, like your purses from payless.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Sure, and then you just got a scrunchy. You've got
all the hair, the perm hair up and a scrunchy.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
A scrunch No, it makes shaved eebrows and then their
pencil neck in.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Ooh, that's a bit that almost might seem glamorous though,
that is I think you grow the eyebrows in.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah, it would be hard for me though. Okay, blipliner
only no lipsticks.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Or just no lipstick, right, no, just no lips.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Oh my god, what if? What about those people that
wear all foundation? Oh yeah, so just foundation, you have
like an all beige face. It's like no conjuring whatsoever, touring.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
No lipstick, no, I may go, oh, you just got
the basics covered.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah, the baby, my cat is stoked on this. Look
for me. He's like, he'll just never leave the house anymore. Well,
I'm fascinated. I am too.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I do remember seeing that picture and when I read
that she was twelve, I was like, yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah, I don't know how. I was like, that must
be an older photo of her. Nope, that's what she
looked like. And I think she supposedly lie. They maybe
been in a chat in a chat room, and supposedly
she might have been lying about her age, saying she
was fifteen. So he's still a twenty three year old
fucking a fifteen.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Year old, yes, but also if he's three hundred, he
would should have been able to pick up on that line. Yeah,
if he's been around that much, you thought he would know.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And they killed their parents supposedly because they disapproved of
the relationship, which it's like this, what's bothered me so
much about the whole thing is like, these parents get
killed for parenting. Yeah, that bothers me so much, Like
these parents get killed for something that in your life,
you're like, they were right. I look back at my
mom and how mad I was at her and embarrassed
(36:05):
I was at certain moments like and I'm like, oh no, no, no,
you were being an asshole. She was parenting.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yes, although in some of these cases where it is
goes to murder, it's like, what was it like in
the day to day in that house, because it's not there.
Definitely are the kids that are like sociopaths or psychopaths
that kill their parents because they want money or whatever
it is. But then I think there's some that it
gets built in by like either you know, abuse or
(36:30):
just like creepy shit happening that it's a reaction.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
So but it's I just hate blaming. I mean, on
one hand, you got to be like blaming the parents.
Who are you blaming? You gotta have met, Like Okay,
I know this is just like naive of me, but
like the parents were still married, so maybe they couldn't
have been that fucked up, which maybe is so silly
of me, I know, but like you're just trying to
use your contact clues. Yes, put it all together. Yes, yes,
(36:57):
I am, That's why I like.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, and those in my story where its it's like
does anybody know anything else? Yeah, because I would, I
would just like a little bit of background information.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Well, a lot of the websites are just regurgitating the
same shit from every article you've already read, which is
why I love read it, because there's always some person
who's like, I remember the news reports, like I didn't
know that the reason there are photos that there out
of her out there, even though she was twelve, is
because they thought she was missing, so they they let
those they released those photos of her initially interesting stuff. Yeah,
(37:33):
they probably thought she was like taken totally. Oh and
she could have played that to her advantage. Well, twelve,
I just.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Want to talk more about what you would do to
hide and plain inside. I feel like I've thought about
this more than I even realize.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Likes. I mean, it's I always sometimes I'll think of
like being a spy, and like, what a bummer it
is that we're in a day and age where we
can't just disappear it become spies or just disappear you know. Yeah,
it's a bummer. Like you'd always hope there's some day
in your life when you get to just like have
a have a spy moment or have a you know,
(38:17):
we all want to be uh, private detectives. For sure,
I would love it. Can someone hire us for a
job as private detectives so we can just have one experience.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
We want to get paid, but we don't have qualification none.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I mean I feel it'd be something important. Yeah. I
feel like you and I, above anyone else I know,
would be better at this than anyone else.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I mean, I sure would give it my all. I
promise to read every article. Yeah, I think we'd be
good at it. I think we'd be good.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I think we'd know to like how to separate and
what to like, how much space to give them and
what to pretend that you're doing well.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
And also that thing of the detectives talk about, and
it's held against them a lot, but I believe in
it one hundred percent. Is that gut reaction to people. Yeah,
And so when they just go, I like this guy
for something, or this guy doesn't feel right right, I
find that fascinating because so many different times in my
life I've been in places where I'm like, I don't
know why, but I'm just going to get away from
it totally. You know, I've done that a lot, yep,
(39:10):
and you just trust it. Yeah, I agree. Should we
do a yeah emails, Yeah, we have.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Some good your hometown murders. You guys are really fucking
killing it. You're killing it and so much so.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I don't know if you guys saw what We got
a really nice review on the av club that specifically
mentioned how good the hometown murder stories are, how scary
they are going to rip up your notes, right, that's okay?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
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Speaker 1 (40:13):
Sure, let's see this is the one I marked. I
just I like to lay in bed and read beat.
I know I did the best and then flag ones
that are like, you know, clear, concise, easy. So let's
see this is one that I flagged. Ooh, this is creepy,
(40:33):
so high ladies, this is from Mait m Ai t E,
Mait Elguletta Elgueta Clavel and I think she She's originally
from Chile, so that's why shows such a fascinating name.
Mait All right, so she says, high ladies, really cool
to have found your podcast. I'm originally from Chile, but
(40:54):
I have lived in New Zealand, n Z. Yeah sure
for over ten years now, en Z. My husband and
I are really fascinated by cold case doesn't always talk
about it. There's so many here in n Z that
are very interesting and worth mentioning, like the Bain murders
or the Mark Lundy's case. Naming them here so you
can have a chance to research a little. But the
(41:17):
one I want to tell you about happened in the
town I grew up and the victim was a student
from my school, so that's one personal connection on the case.
Carla O Yarza was a fifteen year old talented student
and athlete who was found dead at a sports training
park in Orsono, Chile. She had been raped, beaten, and
strangled with her own running tights. On the evening of
(41:37):
December seventeenth, two thousand and eight, Carla and her sister
went for the usual training session at the City Outdoor
Sports Facility. They usually go to training with their dad,
but that day their mom was sick, so the dad
stayed home looking after her, and the girls trained together
for a while, then separated. Carla stayed behind doing extra
labs and her sister went home in parentheses.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Terrible move.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Hours and with no signs of Carlo, the family members
and friends went to look for her, and among these
friends was fellow athlete and former coach of Carla, Christian
roh roj El thirty five. He knew the area very well,
so he led the search that night and also helped
the police search the following morning. He even talked to
the media saying that he had seen her training and
(42:20):
have told her that she shouldn't be on her own,
that it was late, all red flags, it was dangerous.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yep, she wrote, I mean, hello, you're just implicating, You're
telling everyone that you were there. Yeah, you're getting so interested.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yep. So Carlo's body was discovered the following morning, at
a remote part of the training field, an area that
was covered in really high wheat grass, a wheat like grass. So,
as you might have guessed, he raped and killed her.
And do you know how he got caught. His wife
saw him coming home that night and jumping in the
shower with his clothes on, as if he was trying
to wash them.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
She found that odd, and when.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
She heard Carla about Carla being dead, she checked her
husband's wet clothing and it was covered in dry grass
like the wheat grass. And then she saw something that
look like blood, so she called the police and the
blood was matched to Carlo's DNA. He raped her with
a condom so he wouldn't get caught. He was found
guilty of rape and first degree murder. Is currently serving
a life sentence in a local prison. He's never confessed
(43:18):
to killing her. He first said that they were lovers
in the sex was consentual. Later admitted to have raped her,
but insisted he left her alive. Yeah right, just just
confess at this point. Yeah, good for his fucking wife. Man, Like,
I know, you know, that's the kind of person that
people need to be. Is like, imagine that moment where
you look down and you see all that. Oh my god,
(43:40):
I would want to throw up. I would run out
of the house. That's like that moment in Sounds of
the Lamps where she's like, may's your phone?
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Please?
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Right? Or you try to act calm, but there's no way.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
To write such a good that's oh.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
I read an article recently that was just an interview
from the two the mister I don't want her your
dog and puts the lotional. I read an article that
was just interviewing the two of them and what their
experiences were like, and it was amazing. Were they together? No?
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Oh, it was like quotes from with them, but so funny.
That's a fun I've never heard that story before. Every
time I see mister I got your dog, every time
I see her in anything else, like, I'm so proud.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Did you know she was in Gray's Anatomy. Yeah? I
did not realize what was her about that article. I
was so happy for her. She's fine, like after that
pit residual money. Okay, here's mine this. I'm going to
read this one from someone on her Facebook group, Lorie
Baker Martin Darling Girl. She says, here's a murder that
(44:39):
happened in my hometown of Coffeeville, Kansas. On December eleventh,
nineteen ninety nine, a man named John Dalton, a social worker,
married a woman with two kids. Her name was Holly Stack.
No one knows exactly what sent John Dalton off the
deep end of these things. His former landlady said he
was kind, attentive, charming, but he hid behind a door
(45:00):
their house on that day and waited for his two
step children to come home from school and then beat
them to death with an aluminum baseball bat. I know.
Then he hit out and waited for Halay to come
home from work. He did the same to her. He
stayed in the house with those three horribly mutilated bodies
for three days. He even ate meals in the kitchen
with them, so clearly he fuckingit. Something went. It's not
(45:21):
like he just wanted to kill them like something when
something snapped. Yeah, the end of it. The story is
both unsatisfactory and fulfilling. John Dalton was arrested in charge
with the murders, but he never stood trial. While he
was waiting for trial, he developed throat cancer and scumb
to it behind bars. Two years later, on a more
satisfying note, Coffeeville has located a safe house for Oh,
(45:41):
Coffeeville has started a safe house for women on that
site at the site. Oh, that's cool. It's called Holly's House. Incidentally,
while I don't think John Dalton was a relative of
Coffeeville's famous Dalton Gang members, the shootout between that gang
and townspeople in eighteen ninety two resulted in the deaths
of four gang members four townspeople in the sheriff. It's
Coffeeville claimed a fame. Wow, Coffeeville. Who would have found Coffeeville, Kansas?
Speaker 1 (46:05):
I do love those Midwestern stories, though there's something extra, like,
you know, it's all quiet and crickets at night and everything,
and then just yeah, someone waiting behind a door.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Well, are you watching the new Stuphen King Hulu? Fucking no, dude,
is it so good? It's so good? Was it called eleven?
What's the date that killed three sixty three?
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (46:28):
I didn't realize that was Stephen King. That's the day
Kennedy was killed. And the whole thing is like a
going back and it's like a back to the future thing. Oh,
it's fuck, it's good, it might get it's good. It's
really good. It's fun. I got to see it if
you're into like you know this. He goes back in
time and tries to stop President Kennedy from being killed.
(46:48):
Oh my god, just like your dream, like my dream
for his brother, right, because I don't think anything could
have been done at that point. But it's good and
like other little things along the way, there's like other storylines. Really,
it's fun, awesome. Everyone should watch it. It's on Hulu.
I love it. Yeah, uh wow, that was fun. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
I actually pack a lot of bats, a lot of
baseball bats. Unfortunately, that's a lot of terrible children. Don't
keep a baseball bat in your house, people, But keep
those murder stories coming, please. We do love them and
we are reading them. Oh my god, we are, and
it's just kind of exciting. Yeah, we love it you guys.
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So Hi, Hi, Karen, it's time once again did talk
about murder?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Move Welcome to my favorite murder. Hi welcome. That was Georgia.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
That's Karen, and we are here to talk to you
about the thing that you want to talk about the most,
because we do too.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Murder that your friends don't want to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
You know, when some people are fear based, and that's fine,
that's the way they live. They want to they want
to put their hands over their eyes and pretend like
it's reality, isn't happening?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, But not us, friends, No, some of us want
to just like jump into the pool of terror. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
So there's a old saying you have to go into
the mouth of the ghost. That's what we do here.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
We are the ghost Mouths.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Weird adventures into ghost mouths.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So suck it. Did you see that the house from
the first season of American Horror Story, the Haunted House.
You can now airbnb that house? Can we record an
episode from there?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Like, oh my god, that brick thing that has like
the turrets and stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
It's like a like a gothic Yeah, yeah, like arts
and crafts gothic.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Where where the guy from the law show lived And
like they had the maid and stuff. Yes, yes, okay
that I liked that first season a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I had to choose spending the night there, middle of
the night, lights off, quiet, We'll do some ghosts hunting,
ghost stuff, ghostly stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Was there a murder taking place in there at all
aside from the TV show? I know, no, just but
it is a creepy old house. Yeah, I'm into that.
I mean, maybe the murder hasn't been found yet. We'll
dig up the yard.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Maybe it'll happen that night somewhere nearby, like in that
dig up the yard.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, just start digging for bone or looking burns.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
We haven't talked about my new favorite show, the O. J.
Simpson Ugh show. Love it. That's called The People Versus
O J. Simpson. Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It is also one of my favorite shows. David Swimmer,
Oh shwim stop it. You're breaking my heart.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Stop it. What about when they were in Chinchin.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
The Kardashian family went to Tensin.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
That is so la if you don't listen.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Chinchin is a terrible Chinese chain or delicious, depending on
who you are.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I haven't heard of it since the nineties.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
It is so nineties, like it's where we used to
go when I moved here in nineteen ninety four. Really
all the time, that was like the place everyone wanted
to go. It was like the ivy yeah, but like
but cheap and in the valley.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
And the idea that they were like we cut the
line and the h is so oh my.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
God, like this is where we want to go because
this is where like I went to bot Mitzwazz of
these kind of girls where it's like we got to change,
Like I went to camp. I went to camp with
the Fonsa's daughter. Oh and so they probably went to
Chinchin want I bet.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Because they eat that Chinese chicken salad. Back then everybody
thought it was diet. That's how the nineties were. It's
good that show is great. I love that it's going
off the premise that he totally did it. Well yeah,
because he did, I know. Is the thing he a
fucking did he really really did? Because that's the thing is,
(03:33):
as we discuss and find in all of these stories
that we tell in cases that we talk about, things
happen for a for a reason, and be the people
that do them have histories of doing things and it's
never It's so strange that still the legal system treats
these things like it's out of the blue. Word's like, yes,
if a man consistently beats the ship at his wife,
(03:56):
that will escalate, that things escalate.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yep. Well, you know what I think is really interesting
is that instead of looking into the history and why
and what happened exactly and what's the most obvious answer,
the answer is then to give them a defense attorney
to argue a fucking fantasy or like a fucking daydream
that they somehow didn't do it and here is why
(04:21):
maybe it didn't happen, you know, or this way or
that it's like.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Or just those huge distractions of like basically they were
putting the lapd on trial, which they deserved because the
Rodney King writes had just you know, the Rocky King
beating had just happened, and that's like.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
So not even close to the same thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
But the argument of a black man can't get a
fair trial, or like, you know, that the system is
against black people and black men specifically was so true
and had never been really broached before. And I remember
white people being like that's crazy, Yeah, that's such a
bunch of crap, and it's like, how would you know.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Ude, Okay, Rodney King's trial took place in see Me
Valley with zero black people on the jury. Yeah, I
think it was even all men. I mean it was
one woman. Ridiculous. No, it's bad Seem Valley, which is
like the whitest fucking place in Los Angeles with zero
black people on the jury. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Anyways, no, yeah, not a jury of his peers looking
like just just crooked and bad all around. So there
is a kind of like it was a getback.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
In a way.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, it was absolutely to watch it, like that's right
when I moved here, all that stuff happened, and you
like we're living through it. I remember being in I
think it was Golden Apple Comics and they were like
OJ's running the bronco Is on the highway and running
up to our friend Laura's house and everybody just gathering
there and watching watching it on TV.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Well, I just remember when the I remember when the
verdict was about to be read. It was like, Okay,
everyone knows he's guilty, he should be he should be convicted.
Nobody wants an other riot and that's we It was
so traumatizing the first riot that it was like it
wasn't worth it to see him be convicted because that
(06:12):
was fucking scary and no one wanted to go through
that again, right, So, and it's almost all it would
have happened. Yeah, And it was almost a relief when
he when it was not guilty, because it was like, Okay,
you know what, Black people deserve this after what we
fucking put them through here in Los Angeles. Yeah, well
it's it.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
You know, It's just weird though, because when you watch it,
it's such a fascinating thing, like watching them Marcia Clark
and her whole team acting like it's a slam dunk case.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Oh when you know what's really going to happen. Marcia Clark,
what's her character from American Horror Story?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
She's incredible And Sarah Paulson, Yeah that but her hair
is so distressed. I just all I can do is
think about how long it took to curl every piece
of that.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Oh that was that a perm or was she like
you absolutely can't permme?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Or is it it must have been a wig? No one,
no one lets anybody perm their hair anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Ye do they know? I don't know. The sad thing,
of course, is the murder victims that just didn't get
any recognition. No, it was not about them at all.
I just can never forget that. I never forgot the
quote that, like Nicole was almost decapitated. That's how deep
it Wasn't he slit her throat? She was almost decapitated.
(07:23):
He was like going berserk. Yeah he cut and it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
It's so crazy, and like that idea of how they
started the whole thing with the dog with bloody feet
walking up like the guy finding a dog.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
It's a good show.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
It's very good and then also insanely cheesy. Yeah, it's
so enjoyable. Like John Travolta got a blessing.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
He is killing it. He's my face.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Do you think he was really like that Robert Shapiro, Yeah, probably,
but he didn't have blue eyes, you know that, right.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
It's really corny. There's so many corny things. Every single
every single line that Shea Clark says is like cut
to commercial, Like she can't say a line without it
cutting to commercial.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
But the best was at the end of the last
episode and.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
She just goes, motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I think that's the first motherfucker on TV, right, I
think so it's effects right, So they're a little edgy
when she says motherfucker, which she says that about Johnny Cochran. Yeah,
he joined the team and he's his story's right too.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Oh it's everyone is Yeah, but I really just want
to hug David Swimmer.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, because he's such a He's who knew that was it?
Robert Kardashian, who knew he was such a great guy, who.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Knew he was a great guy that would spawn the
literal devils.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Like the Downfall, all those discussions where they're like, you
can't it's not about fame, right, I have to have
a good heart.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Well, I keep thinking about his are his kids watching
him being like, fuck my dad, I miss my dad?
Probably sad it is he died like not too long
after that, which is so sad. I'm sure. Can you
imagine how stressful would have been to be that guy
in that situation, that guy knows his friend is guilty
and has to defend him. He also had to use
the phrase uncle juice a lot, which I think may
(09:10):
have been the thing that killed him. Yeah, that would
be hard. Uncle juice. It's not their real uncle. Oh,
Chris Jenner killing it. Oh, Selma Blair got a Blair.
Do you think she was like, this is the end
of my career or was she stoked about it? Stoked?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Okay, yeah, because you see all those other people on
that cast.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
That's true, that's true. I love this. They're great. Yes,
all right, Oh not stough to talk about the right
that we're both watching autopsy. But should we save that
for yes? Okay?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I and that I actually somebody recommend I'm sorry, I
don't have the name, because someone mentioned it to us
on the Twitter page. Oh yeah, and it was a
man and he said, oh, autopsy was amazing. I watched
all of it and I went autopsy hut and then
I looked it up and I had never seen it.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You could never heard of it or seen that. I
think I may have heard of it, but i'd never
seen it. Had I always just figured it and I
think I had like watched maybe one the wrong episode
where like he was literally just in an autopsy room
cutting into someone and talking and discussing it, which I
thought the whole thing was like that. And no, it's
like it's like case stories from this crazy guy, like
(10:16):
his crazy corners passed and how he saved crimes based
on the autopsy. Yeah, it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And like the most And also they kind of fold
in like I've watched a couple now the last time,
the last when I was watching was number nine when
I texted.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You, because it's other people.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
They get other corners in there too, because they're basically
just getting all the craziest stories. Yeah, and I won't
I won't give that when a way and just let
people watch it. It's so good.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I want to know. It's what I texted you.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
They opened up a guy, Yes I should, I just say,
there's voodoo dolls inside inside.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Of his bodies. Wait, Karen, I read that as inside
of his coffin.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
No, are you inside of his.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's why I was so gonna go. I'm gonna go cry.
I thought you might like yeah, they they I thought
because I read it as like next to still, that's
fucked up?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Okay, And it turned out the woman that ran the
funeral home was practiced voodoo.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
You got to see her too, you got it. She
is worth the entire episode. Totally normal, right.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
She has the best hair I've ever seen, and she's
a badass, and she was basically trying to get rid
of all the other funeral homes, like all her competitors,
and do better financially. So she made voodoo dolls for
all of them, and then so up inside this man's core.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
At what point in that whole operation, are you like,
I might be a little crazy. Yeah, this might not
be a great idea. Yeah, this could come back. Yeah,
what will this look like from the outside? Just everyone,
You can be as crazy as you want, but act normal, yeah,
or just try to step out for one second.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I'd be like, if someone discovers this, how crazy will
I love totally?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
That's good advice. I think that is too, so I
everye watch Autopsy. Someone on Twitter suggested, or on our
Facebook page. We have a Facebook group, my favorite Murty Cantin.
Someone suggested that we just do a live up, but
we're just do an episode where we just watch an
episode of Autopsy and just talk about it. That's a
great idea. I can watch along with us, A very
good idea. I love it. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, you can go on because it's on HBO go
or HBO or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Apparently there's a lot of episodes on YouTube as well.
Oh good, Yeah, there's like you can find them everywhere.
Love it. We're gonna have all kinds of events. Yeah,
it's also a little dated, which I fucking love when
I'm watching true crime. Shit, do you ever go back
and watch Forensic Files? Yoh yeah, it's like it's like
two thousand and two, which doesn't seem that long ago. Please,
it's so long. The blouses tell a different story. Oh,
(12:50):
it's so good, so good, so good. I can even
deal with reenactments when they're like vintage reenactments.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, I love reenactors. Well, that's a whole different I can't.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I can't watch a re enactment and not picture the
person's headshot and their whole family watching because it's Billy's
big break or whatever. Yes, I always think about that.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Sometimes they cast women that actually look like real women,
so it's like this is like she's the one that
got picked finally, you know, like in probably in her
agency or whatever.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, but then you think about the like the breakdown
of what they were calling for, and it's like big
fat stupid woman murders, murderers like that, nobody trusts them,
likes and it's like, oh, that's that's what I got
cast as you know what, no small parts. Everybody has
got to get their stories. No small part.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Oh no, who would play us? Well, someone Blair would
play me?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Definitely, definitely, and I'll take it. Okay. I feel like
I always start with my favorite murder. Do you want
me to go first?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Do you want to go first? I will?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
And this is under the guys. We were talking about
kids that kill but I don't know if we still
did that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I did, Oh good, So we decided that we're now
going to have every episode has a theme or like
a you know, a what's a point a subject at
that point? Or yeah, just I mean I guess theme's
the right word theme or subject? Yeah, so we can
kind of like matching match. So this is kids. Were
we doing kids that kill their parents?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
That's what I did? Okay, okay, yay, we did it.
So I did Alex and Derek King.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Which I don't know about. So I'm excited to hear
this because you sent me a photo and I was like,
I'm not looking this out, just tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So the first time I ever saw these kids on
the news, Alex King at the time, I think he
was either twelve or thirteen. He looked like he was
eight years old. He looked like a baby face baby,
very small boy. And his brother it was like a
year maybe two years older than him.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Derek King.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Was kind of bigger, like, looked like a teenager.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I'm gonna get cozy. Yeah, lady, lay all the way down.
I want to tell you a story.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
So, and I remember seeing it where it was like,
you know, kids do kill and whatever, and they'd killed
their father. So the deal was house was on fire.
Fireman good to put the fire the house out. They
put the fire out and go in and then in
the other part of the house it isn't burnt. They
find a dead body and they know that it's dead
(15:24):
from not from the fire, but they can see that
it has headwones. And so the next day Alex and
Derek King turned themselves into the Sheriff's tell me their
age again, twelve and thirteen, all I should, yeah, babies.
And you got to see the picture, the one mugshot
of Alex King. He's just got zits oliver his forehead.
(15:45):
He just is like it's a child, child, it's like
sixth grade, seventh grade. Yeah, And so they turn themselves
in and they say that they had run away from
home because their dad was too strict, to their dad's friend,
Ricky Chavez's house, and they stayed there for a week,
(16:05):
and they knew that he was gonna They knew they
were gonna get punished when they went back home, so
they decided to.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Kill him to avoid being.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Punished, and because their children, because they're children, and also
they ran away because their dad.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
So what it happened.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
It's a very sad story, of course, but it's like
the mother and father have Alex and Derek Alex, and
then she has twins and then she leaves all four boys,
leaves the husband and just Baiales.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I will never be able to wrap my head around
moms who just later. I mean dad's too, but you know.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Well, I and in this story particularly, there's a lot
of things I wish I knew more about, and I read.
I read every single article on Google when I put
their names in, I just went down until I got
to there was an article on the NAMBLO website, which
is the National Association for Man Boy Love or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
That's the thing you can click on. You can click
on it.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I didn't read until after I clicked and read this story,
and at the end it was like a person that
was trying to rationalize or I was like, oh my god,
where have I gone?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Because I just kept on re sure I've never come
across that in all my weird It was like the
tenth article and you can click on it. Do you
think that the government is tracking you now? And they
should be like that?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
But it was the only the defense I have is
that it was just the next article down, Like I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Say anything different or anything inflammatory. Well, so it told
this part of the story.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
It is inflammatory, but it's that creepy, creepy thing of
So they ran to Ricky Chevez's house, and the reason
they'd like to go there is because he let them
smoke pot and play video games, and he was molesting
Alex and he had convinced Alex that they were in love.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
This guy was thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
That they were in love and that Alex was gay
and that, and so this here in starts the soap
opera of this story, because.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Jesus, I was not expecting that angle. Yeah, it's it's rough.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
So the namble article, of course, is like people don't
understand these relationships or whatever, where I was like wait.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
What hold hold lock?
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, it's creepy. But so that guy drove them to
the sheriff's department to turn themselves in. But then they
got him and they were like, so, what exactly are
you doing here? And then it turns out so he
gets held for like aiding in a bedding essentially, you know,
like keeping them.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Did he have anything? Okay, but he knew that they
had killed his dad when they were set there.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Okay, So the two those the two young boys confess
and they have their confessions taped, and they're very detailed.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Can you watch them? Can you watch them? You can't?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Probably no, it's tape recorder from what I understand, Okay.
But then a little while later they recan't, like a
couple months later, and I think that's probably when they
got lawyers, and when the lawyers like put everything out
and were like, hold on a second, yeah, you were
you ran to the molester's house to hang out the
(19:04):
day after you killed your father. What's really going on here?
And then they came back and said that we were
we were trying to cover for Ricky.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
It turned out he.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Killed our father and this whole thing was his idea,
and that is that's where it all started. And I
remember when I saw that news story, it was like
he was base. They were basically presented as like these
evil children, like you immediately believed that they you.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
It was such a bias, It was such a weird bias.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
They were like, he has and this young one has
a relationship with this guy.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
As if that kid is somehow perpetuating the relationship or
his fault. But yes, he's seducing the older man.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, because they're they're basically trying to sell the story
of like these two devil children. No one really, as
we all know, it's like this guy was in their life.
So clearly Alex was being groomed for a long time,
and you know, it's just the grossest thing. So basically,
when the MO bailed the dad after a little while,
I was like, I can't handle four boys by myself.
(20:04):
So they all got put in, like Alex went to
a foster home. The twins went somewhere else, and then
the older boy went and lived with the principal of
the local high school.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Now that can't be I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
And then he stayed there until like two months before
this murder. So and Alex came back from the foster home.
I can't get any information about what happened, but they
said it didn't like it didn't work out for something.
But we all know what foster homes, sure and can
be like sure so. But Alex was doing good at
home with his dad. Then Derek showed up and then
(20:37):
two months later the dad's murder.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Do we know, did the mom come back for the trial?
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, the mom not only came back for the trial
when they they basically were found guilty. I think they
were found guilty of second gree murder or something.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
The mom showed up, they hit him with something and
then set his mind on baseball back some of them.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Derek kid him with the baseball bat. Alex said it
was his idea, and then they left the house on
fair because they thought they were going to get rid
of all the evidence.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
If you're going to kill someone and then let their
body and fire, if they don't have charred lungs, it's
clear that they didn't die in the fire. Everyone.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, but you can't just burn somebody. It doesn't work
that way. It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
And I mean, yeah, I'm telling people how to get
away where yeah, like almost kill them so that they
inhale the smoke when they know.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Okay, I mean, yeah, that's one way, but still they
might find stuff on the body.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
You can't get away with killing someone anyway.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
It's very difficult to get away with killing some So
they also brought the guy up on charges, all kinds
of charges. They'd like the aiding and betting thing, and
they had on kidnapping and of course like ten counts
of molestation. He had already he was a convicted pedophile.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Of course he was. How was he the family friend?
That's what I wanted. This is why you don't make
friends with people at all ever.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
But so so anyway, they have to like they have
two trials. The two boys are tried, and then this
guy is Ricky is tried.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
We just starts spreading this room.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
But they so they try the adult man first and
then steal his the results and so when the boys
are tried, we don't know whether or not that jury
found that guy guilty because it'll influence the jury. Yeah,
because they basically were both oh because sorry, So like
three months after they made that confession, then they got
(22:31):
the lawyer.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
They lawyered up. They basically came back and said he
did it.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
We were covering for him, and this whole thing was
his plan, and we were in the trunk the whole
time and he.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Did all of it.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
And he was like nope, yes, And so that guy's
lawyer has to represent a child molester who is it
is being accused of murder by children. Like the whole
thing is so crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
That's what I'm saying about defense, Like the defense attorney
should look. I wish the idea was for everyone together
to look for the truth instead of making some shit up. Yeah,
or like here's a technicality, and this is why you know,
I can't imagine defense attorneys like themselves that much.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
No, well, it must be really hard, but then there
are there. They're doing it for those people that are
like a few innocent, right, but this guy was so
not innocent. But the weird thing was they didn't convict
him on the ten molestation charges. They didn't like he
They basically brought more charges against him and then like
(23:32):
the thing he finally got convicted for was like was
like holding a minor against their will or something, and
he got thirty five years for it, like a maximum.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
That's a lie. The one thing they could make stick.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, But because those boys had lied and done all
that stuff, it made this guy look better than he
should have looked. And there are a lot of people
who still feel like no one ever heard what really
actually happened, because there's no way that that child molester
was just an innocent bystander in that whole thing.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, when you think about these kids who were twelve
and thirteen but looked really young, does that mean that
how do they hit their dad over the head with
a baseball bat and kill him? That doesn't sound like
something a young looking twelve with thirteen like a slight
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Like that's well, the older Derek is the one that
did it, and he was a little taller and bigger.
But the guy was sitting in like a lazy boy recliner,
and so he may have been asleep. He may just
snuck up on them just because they had run away,
so they weren't in the house, they weren't.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Around, so they snuck into the house and kill them.
And what's the story with the dad? Was he like
a dick too? Like? Was it?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
There's no proof. That's the other thing is that they
couldn't prove anything. They couldn't prove the molestation. Everything was
worth it. It was not word of mouth, but yeah,
hear's there or whatever. And the dad, they just said
the dad was really strict and sometimes he would stare
at them and they didn't like it. So I think
it was just like those kids just looked worse and
(25:03):
worse and worse and worse every time they talked about any.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, so it's like the dad was a dad trying
is trying.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
To be Maybe he was a dick, but he was trying,
you know, but who knows? Like and also it was
his friend. This totally the other the child luster or
was his friend. That's the reason that guy was in
their life. So who knows?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Don't you like, do you wonder about like people we
know they're like, oh, like they are a child Like
what if they tried to be a child loster, you
would never know, you would never know.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Secrets, secrets. And now they're both out of jail. Shut
they eventually got convicted. The older one got eight years
in jail and the little one got seven Jesus, and
now they're out and one is like on drugs and
violated his parole had to go back. They Alex, the
younger one, because he got like into a car accident
(25:56):
or something. It's all just really terrible and sad down
the street from here. No, no, this all happened in Florida, Okay,
but then they moved to somewhere in Texas.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I think, damn crazy, so crazy. And also, as I
was doing it, I was like, oh, I love the story.
It's so disgusting and crazy. But then there's no real answers,
which drives me nuts.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I want to talk to the mom. Oh she came in.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Not only did she come in in the eleventh hour,
but she Rosie O'Donnell hired her two lawyers for the boys.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Oh really, yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Why because I think she was afraid they weren't getting
like a fair a fair thing, so she puts some lawyers,
Florida lawyers.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
On retainer for them. Ros uh huh. Interesting. Yeah, Oh
that mom. I hope she's backing is can't have more kids?
Well I don't. Yeah, I think she's out of the game.
I think she kind of didn't do it very good.
I bet she takes zero responsibility.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Well, she was in there trying to say, like you
you here's how it needs to go. And the prosecuting
attorney was like, lady, they wouldn't be here if you
paid any attention to that ouch.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, which is true. I mean totally true.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
You can't just bail and then come back, you know,
when everything's gone to shit.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
You can't bail on You can't bail my mom or dad.
You can't bail in your kid and expect them to
have an okay life. No, you can't do that, especially mom,
especially mom. Not to be fucking sexist, but it's true.
It's true. You're you're telling your kids they're not wanted.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, that they don't matter to you, the one person
that matters the most of them.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Totally. This is a fun subject, that's mine. That's a
good one. Is what is it called? Is it like
the I guess the Derek and Alex King. Okay, yeah,
that makes sense. All right. I want to hear my
favorite murder I really do for children who killed their parents. Yes,
mine is the Richardson family murder. Okay, So in medicine
(27:59):
hat Alberta, Canada. I love when Canadians get violent, you know, Canadians.
I've been noticing from the Facebook group there's a lot
of fuck up murders in Canada. Yeah there are, and
yeah it's really interesting because there's like so much wide
open space. Totally, this is Canada's youngest multiple murderer. Oh
she her name is Jasmine Richardson. Is this the one
(28:20):
that's twelve but looks like she's twenty five? Shut up? Yes, sorry, sorry,
it's good. It's good. Yes, it totally is. So. In
April of two thousand and six, Mark Richardson, who's forty two,
dubb or Richardson who's forty eight. And this is a
fucking sad part. I mean it's all said, but Jacob Richardson,
who's eight years old, I've found dead and the daughter,
(28:44):
who was twelve years old was nowhere to be found.
So this is the reason there's photos of her out
there is because at first she was a missing person,
so they splayed her photo all over the news and
like where is this chick? Turns out they find her
the next day she gets arrested. She is twelve years old,
hot like goths chick dating a twenty three year old
dude named Jeremy Allen steink st E I m k
(29:10):
E thanky, thank you. He's the worst last name of all. No,
maybe here about it because he's like this gross. He's
like the dude that we probably dated in high school.
He's like a gross goth dude who looks like probably
wears eyeliner. He said he was a three hundred year
old werewolf that liked to taste of blood. He's like
that guy, like gross, I dated when I was like
(29:33):
fourteen and on drugs. I dated older dudes and I
thought it was the coolest. Like, this is what the
story interests me too, because it was like, oh, yeah,
I could have that could have been me. I mean,
I would never have killed my family, but who knows
if you get like pulled in by some weirdo. Yeah,
and he kind of it seems like, I mean, it
definitely seems like he's the one who the whole thing
on because he said he watched, like hours before the murder,
(29:56):
watched Natural Born Killers and was like, me and my
girlfriend know these people were gonna kill your family. So
they went in there. The dad. This is so graphic.
The dad was stabbed so many times, he didn't have
blood in him anymore. Oh my god. They found him
and then this is the saddest part. Don't listen if
you don't want to hear about children getting murdered, because
(30:18):
I don't even want this poor eight year old kid,
she sat up there, his big sister sat up there
with him. She says, she covered his ears. Well, his
parents got killed in the basement, and then because she
didn't want him to hear it. So it's like, well,
then she also didn't want him to get murdered. But
the guy came up there, the boyfriend, and was like
kill him. So together they kind of killed him, just
(30:42):
like disgusting and awful and like insane, insane, And it
makes me not she's twelve years old, but it makes
me have no sympathy for her anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
No, you know, no, if she could do that sit
with her brother and cover his ears or whatever, there's
some modicum of control that she had, or she taking
him out the windows totally or something.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Something except and now, man, she's going to community fucking
college and has a job and lives on her own. Oh,
because in you can't be tried and as an adult
when you're under fourteen in Canada for murder, so that
or in the longest you can get is ten years.
So she was twelve at the time, got ten years,
(31:25):
got out early. She's out under the care of a psychiatrist.
She expresses genuine remorse. Quote genuine. I mean I was
a little shit when I was young, but I would
but I knew you don't kill your family. Well, I
don't think it's I don't think it's a fair comparison.
(31:47):
You probably that of being a little shit and a
murderer is not the same thing.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Well, yeah, I mean that's true. And I wonder what
drugs they were doing. Were they on drugs together?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
It didn't talk about drugs, but they had to be
on something. Yeah, oh no, I know. So he got
three life sentences.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, so she essentially didn't like she only got punished
for a little while.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Punished for a little while. Uh, she's going to school.
I was reading a Reddit thing that's like someone was like, yeah,
we I go to this school and none of us
know who she is, even though there's photos of her
and she looks so much older. Look out Josmin Richardson.
She's like a pretty gothy girl who looks eighteen at
the least at the least, but you'd think that you
(32:34):
could recognize her. But everyone's like, we no one can
tell who she is.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Well, you know what, I bet she grew those eyebrows
in sure she got probably got a nice stencil, an
eyebrow stencil.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Let's say hair is bleached wand now maybe bleached wam
would be smart. No, or maybe she's like the most
square looking person in the world. Now she goes full
j crew full Ja crew. Yeah, that's a good way
to hide. Marcia Clark perm bugged out Marsha Clark. Yeah,
totally spray tan because you're not goth anymore.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
And Elsie or or she could be doing mousey brown
hair that almost isn't a color and like John lennonglasses
and just being like sexless plain Yeah, like the person
I always think about that of, Like if I ever
wanted to be a spy, I know exactly what I
would wear, and like, do.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
We don't look like spies?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
You?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And I know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
You'd like an old goth lady who stopped trying three
years ago.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
We would have to go real norm, real normal, not norm.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah, we would have to do it would have to
be light honey brown box.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Died and also like like cardigan sets, yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Like and like or maybe just like could just have
a shopping d hit marshals.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
We would have to look like I looked, or like
one would look when you have an office job you
hate and don't want to spend any money on the clothes. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
So it's those like buttoned down blouses that like are
roofed at the waist, and then a pencil skirt totally
it's easy to hide in plane sight.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Cheap shitty boots, shitty boots, black tights. And then your
purse is from clearly from payless, like your purses from payless.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Sure, and then you just got a scrunchy. You've got
all the hair, the perm hair up and a scrunchy.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
A scrunch No, it makes shaved eebrows and then their
pencil neck in.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Ooh, that's a bit that almost might seem glamorous though,
that is I think you grow the eyebrows in.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah, it would be hard for me though. Okay, blipliner
only no lipsticks.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Or just no lipstick, right, no, just no lips.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Oh my god, what if? What about those people that
wear all foundation? Oh yeah, so just foundation, you have
like an all beige face. It's like no conjuring whatsoever, touring.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
No lipstick, no, I may go, oh, you just got
the basics covered.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah, the baby, my cat is stoked on this. Look
for me. He's like, he'll just never leave the house anymore. Well,
I'm fascinated. I am too.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I do remember seeing that picture and when I read
that she was twelve, I was like, yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah, I don't know how. I was like, that must
be an older photo of her. Nope, that's what she
looked like. And I think she supposedly lie. They maybe
been in a chat in a chat room, and supposedly
she might have been lying about her age, saying she
was fifteen. So he's still a twenty three year old
fucking a fifteen.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Year old, yes, but also if he's three hundred, he
would should have been able to pick up on that line. Yeah,
if he's been around that much, you thought he would know.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And they killed their parents supposedly because they disapproved of
the relationship, which it's like this, what's bothered me so
much about the whole thing is like, these parents get
killed for parenting. Yeah, that bothers me so much, Like
these parents get killed for something that in your life,
you're like, they were right. I look back at my
mom and how mad I was at her and embarrassed
(36:05):
I was at certain moments like and I'm like, oh no, no, no,
you were being an asshole. She was parenting.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yes, although in some of these cases where it is
goes to murder, it's like, what was it like in
the day to day in that house, because it's not there.
Definitely are the kids that are like sociopaths or psychopaths
that kill their parents because they want money or whatever
it is. But then I think there's some that it
gets built in by like either you know, abuse or
(36:30):
just like creepy shit happening that it's a reaction.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
So but it's I just hate blaming. I mean, on
one hand, you got to be like blaming the parents.
Who are you blaming? You gotta have met, Like Okay,
I know this is just like naive of me, but
like the parents were still married, so maybe they couldn't
have been that fucked up, which maybe is so silly
of me, I know, but like you're just trying to
use your contact clues. Yes, put it all together. Yes, yes,
(36:57):
I am, That's why I like.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, and those in my story where its it's like
does anybody know anything else? Yeah, because I would, I
would just like a little bit of background information.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Well, a lot of the websites are just regurgitating the
same shit from every article you've already read, which is
why I love read it, because there's always some person
who's like, I remember the news reports, like I didn't
know that the reason there are photos that there out
of her out there, even though she was twelve, is
because they thought she was missing, so they they let
those they released those photos of her initially interesting stuff. Yeah,
(37:33):
they probably thought she was like taken totally. Oh and
she could have played that to her advantage. Well, twelve,
I just.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Want to talk more about what you would do to
hide and plain inside. I feel like I've thought about
this more than I even realize.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Likes. I mean, it's I always sometimes I'll think of
like being a spy, and like, what a bummer it
is that we're in a day and age where we
can't just disappear it become spies or just disappear you know. Yeah,
it's a bummer. Like you'd always hope there's some day
in your life when you get to just like have
a have a spy moment or have a you know,
(38:17):
we all want to be uh, private detectives. For sure,
I would love it. Can someone hire us for a
job as private detectives so we can just have one experience.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
We want to get paid, but we don't have qualification none.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I mean I feel it'd be something important. Yeah. I
feel like you and I, above anyone else I know,
would be better at this than anyone else.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I mean, I sure would give it my all. I
promise to read every article. Yeah, I think we'd be
good at it. I think we'd be good.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I think we'd know to like how to separate and
what to like, how much space to give them and
what to pretend that you're doing well.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
And also that thing of the detectives talk about, and
it's held against them a lot, but I believe in
it one hundred percent. Is that gut reaction to people. Yeah,
And so when they just go, I like this guy
for something, or this guy doesn't feel right right, I
find that fascinating because so many different times in my
life I've been in places where I'm like, I don't
know why, but I'm just going to get away from
it totally. You know, I've done that a lot, yep,
(39:10):
and you just trust it. Yeah, I agree. Should we
do a yeah emails, Yeah, we have.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Some good your hometown murders. You guys are really fucking
killing it. You're killing it and so much so.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I don't know if you guys saw what We got
a really nice review on the av club that specifically
mentioned how good the hometown murder stories are, how scary
they are going to rip up your notes, right, that's okay?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Okay, Yeah, you guys are part of this podcast and
we appreciate it. Yeah, so you can you can email
them to us at my Favorite Murder at Gmail. You
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people won't see that you're in insane person that loves murders.
But you have to ask to join it, is that right? Yeah?
You need just need to be approved, and you're being
(39:57):
approved by me and I so far have not not
approved anyone, so it's not scary. And then we also
have a Twitter account, my Fave Murder fab, so if
you need to go there, you should follow us there too. Okay,
you want to start.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Sure, let's see this is the one I marked. I
just I like to lay in bed and read beat.
I know I did the best and then flag ones
that are like, you know, clear, concise, easy. So let's
see this is one that I flagged. Ooh, this is creepy,
(40:33):
so high ladies, this is from Mait m Ai t E,
Mait Elguletta Elgueta Clavel and I think she She's originally
from Chile, so that's why shows such a fascinating name.
Mait All right, so she says, high ladies, really cool
to have found your podcast. I'm originally from Chile, but
(40:54):
I have lived in New Zealand, n Z. Yeah sure
for over ten years now, en Z. My husband and
I are really fascinated by cold case doesn't always talk
about it. There's so many here in n Z that
are very interesting and worth mentioning, like the Bain murders
or the Mark Lundy's case. Naming them here so you
can have a chance to research a little. But the
(41:17):
one I want to tell you about happened in the
town I grew up and the victim was a student
from my school, so that's one personal connection on the case.
Carla O Yarza was a fifteen year old talented student
and athlete who was found dead at a sports training
park in Orsono, Chile. She had been raped, beaten, and
strangled with her own running tights. On the evening of
(41:37):
December seventeenth, two thousand and eight, Carla and her sister
went for the usual training session at the City Outdoor
Sports Facility. They usually go to training with their dad,
but that day their mom was sick, so the dad
stayed home looking after her, and the girls trained together
for a while, then separated. Carla stayed behind doing extra
labs and her sister went home in parentheses.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Terrible move.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Hours and with no signs of Carlo, the family members
and friends went to look for her, and among these
friends was fellow athlete and former coach of Carla, Christian
roh roj El thirty five. He knew the area very well,
so he led the search that night and also helped
the police search the following morning. He even talked to
the media saying that he had seen her training and
(42:20):
have told her that she shouldn't be on her own,
that it was late, all red flags, it was dangerous.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Yep, she wrote, I mean, hello, you're just implicating, You're
telling everyone that you were there. Yeah, you're getting so interested.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yep. So Carlo's body was discovered the following morning, at
a remote part of the training field, an area that
was covered in really high wheat grass, a wheat like grass. So,
as you might have guessed, he raped and killed her.
And do you know how he got caught. His wife
saw him coming home that night and jumping in the
shower with his clothes on, as if he was trying
to wash them.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
She found that odd, and when.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
She heard Carla about Carla being dead, she checked her
husband's wet clothing and it was covered in dry grass
like the wheat grass. And then she saw something that
look like blood, so she called the police and the
blood was matched to Carlo's DNA. He raped her with
a condom so he wouldn't get caught. He was found
guilty of rape and first degree murder. Is currently serving
a life sentence in a local prison. He's never confessed
(43:18):
to killing her. He first said that they were lovers
in the sex was consentual. Later admitted to have raped her,
but insisted he left her alive. Yeah right, just just
confess at this point. Yeah, good for his fucking wife. Man, Like,
I know, you know, that's the kind of person that
people need to be. Is like, imagine that moment where
you look down and you see all that. Oh my god,
(43:40):
I would want to throw up. I would run out
of the house. That's like that moment in Sounds of
the Lamps where she's like, may's your phone?
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Please?
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Right? Or you try to act calm, but there's no way.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
To write such a good that's oh.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
I read an article recently that was just an interview
from the two the mister I don't want her your
dog and puts the lotional. I read an article that
was just interviewing the two of them and what their
experiences were like, and it was amazing. Were they together? No?
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Oh, it was like quotes from with them, but so funny.
That's a fun I've never heard that story before. Every
time I see mister I got your dog, every time
I see her in anything else, like, I'm so proud.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Did you know she was in Gray's Anatomy. Yeah? I
did not realize what was her about that article. I
was so happy for her. She's fine, like after that
pit residual money. Okay, here's mine this. I'm going to
read this one from someone on her Facebook group, Lorie
Baker Martin Darling Girl. She says, here's a murder that
(44:39):
happened in my hometown of Coffeeville, Kansas. On December eleventh,
nineteen ninety nine, a man named John Dalton, a social worker,
married a woman with two kids. Her name was Holly Stack.
No one knows exactly what sent John Dalton off the
deep end of these things. His former landlady said he
was kind, attentive, charming, but he hid behind a door
(45:00):
their house on that day and waited for his two
step children to come home from school and then beat
them to death with an aluminum baseball bat. I know.
Then he hit out and waited for Halay to come
home from work. He did the same to her. He
stayed in the house with those three horribly mutilated bodies
for three days. He even ate meals in the kitchen
with them, so clearly he fuckingit. Something went. It's not
(45:21):
like he just wanted to kill them like something when
something snapped. Yeah, the end of it. The story is
both unsatisfactory and fulfilling. John Dalton was arrested in charge
with the murders, but he never stood trial. While he
was waiting for trial, he developed throat cancer and scumb
to it behind bars. Two years later, on a more
satisfying note, Coffeeville has located a safe house for Oh,
(45:41):
Coffeeville has started a safe house for women on that
site at the site. Oh, that's cool. It's called Holly's House. Incidentally,
while I don't think John Dalton was a relative of
Coffeeville's famous Dalton Gang members, the shootout between that gang
and townspeople in eighteen ninety two resulted in the deaths
of four gang members four townspeople in the sheriff. It's
Coffeeville claimed a fame. Wow, Coffeeville. Who would have found Coffeeville, Kansas?
Speaker 1 (46:05):
I do love those Midwestern stories, though there's something extra, like,
you know, it's all quiet and crickets at night and everything,
and then just yeah, someone waiting behind a door.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Well, are you watching the new Stuphen King Hulu? Fucking no, dude,
is it so good? It's so good? Was it called eleven?
What's the date that killed three sixty three?
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (46:28):
I didn't realize that was Stephen King. That's the day
Kennedy was killed. And the whole thing is like a
going back and it's like a back to the future thing. Oh,
it's fuck, it's good, it might get it's good. It's
really good. It's fun. I got to see it if
you're into like you know this. He goes back in
time and tries to stop President Kennedy from being killed.
(46:48):
Oh my god, just like your dream, like my dream
for his brother, right, because I don't think anything could
have been done at that point. But it's good and
like other little things along the way, there's like other storylines. Really,
it's fun, awesome. Everyone should watch it. It's on Hulu.
I love it. Yeah, uh wow, that was fun. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
I actually pack a lot of bats, a lot of
baseball bats. Unfortunately, that's a lot of terrible children. Don't
keep a baseball bat in your house, people, But keep
those murder stories coming, please. We do love them and
we are reading them. Oh my god, we are, and
it's just kind of exciting. Yeah, we love it you guys.
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(47:29):
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