61 - Live at The Neptune

Live in Seattle, it's a new episode of My Favorite Murder. Karen and Georgia cover the murder of punk singer Mia Zapata and serial killer Ted Bundy.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Why Hi.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Guys, Seattle, Hi, Hi, Seattle.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Are these microphones on? Can we no? Can you hear us?

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Me?

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Me?

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Me, me, me me? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
What's up Seattle?

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Now?

Speaker 3 (00:50):
I'm scared of that empty row? Who said the fucking
empty row lights up? I want all those names? What'd
you say? Dead bodies?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
The fucking Reserve families A real bunch of dicks, that's
for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Crazy. Whose family is that?

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
It's that it's Jim and Donna Neptune and they always
get fifteen seats at every show that they do. Oh
my god, it's so good to be here with you, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Oh this is so exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
We uh this is the very last night of our
weekend tour, first tour ever.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yes, our hair. We're wrapping it down with Seattle, thank god.
That's for last uh and just in time because we
thought it would be a good idea to wear the
same dresses for the whole leg of the Western tour,
so you wouldn't cheer for it if you could smell it.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
These I love them. The going straight into the hotel
room trash. When I got home, it's all filth.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Now it's all ruined. This feels like a dress. When
I first put it on the first night, I was like,
I'm a gorgeous princess. And tonight I'm like I feel
like Harold's mother from Harold and Mob. It feels like
gross polyester that an old bitch would wear. And I'm
really mad at you know, but pocket what find me,

(02:33):
find me, find my light, find me, follow me. Now
I can do this with me, Like, guys, you won't
do it confuses there, it is there, he is there,
and oh she was just gonna keep going. There's someone

(02:55):
up there that's so mad right now, Yeah, we should
wear different dresses every night. Now, I'm how about pants
and old shirts?

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Okay, let's just wear whatever we want.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
I'm not sure the dress thing may have been sarcastic
at first, and then now we have to like weirdly
commit to it like it's our chure and we have
to be fancy and theaters and it's like, well you're not.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, ok here, guys, yeah you know what. We just
the night that we did Seattle, we fucking decided to
wear whatever the fuck we wanted.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
I'm gonna start I feel that guy, feel that freedom,
feel it.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
I'm so relieved. I'm never wearing a bra again. Fucking
just can't. And I think I'm like past the point
of not being able to wear a bran anymore.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
But I don't care how long.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Did that take? You just made it.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
I came home one Nay Infants was like, oh where
were you out? And your own people. It's like he's
like I can see through your shirt that Like I
don't care, but I just fucking can't do it.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
I mean, it's just I should take it off anyways, Hi.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Hi, Yeah, you just went down into a hole there.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Good bye. Shit.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
But I shouldn't anyone ever thrown their bra into the
audience and not the audience throwing their bra to the stage.
Maybe I bet they have, like once a fourteen dollars
target bra. Yeah that smells so Karen.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
I also, you can tell it's the end of the
tour because my fingernails look like the ones Catherine Martin
saw and Buffalo Bill's well, what can you see them?
Good fucking I don't know what I've been doing, but
literally it's like I look like I've been trying to
climb my way out of a murderer's basement.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
That was a great reference, Like, I really dig the
you just did.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, that's what I do for a living. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Uh So you.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Texted me when we got to our hotel and you
were like, and I was like this hotel and you
were like, I think it used to be a hospital,
and I'm not your joking.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
And then I checked into my room and I think
it used to be a hospital.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
It used to be a hospital. Everybody. It smells a
little bit like a haunted.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Bleach, and like, yeah, there's a in the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
The bathroom door has one of those like what's like
the ship windows. Yes, that's round, and I think it's
for like to make sure your patient isn't like sneaking drugs. Yeah,
so like the nurse can look in and hello, are
you okay?

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Don't shift yourself with that soap. It's not allowed.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
It's very rehabby. It's rehabby. This is diet coke.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
It's rehabby. There's also there's kind of a feel to it.
I was sitting in there typing as we like to
do before shows, and for a while so that the
lights kind of went dark and I hadn't turned any
lights on, and then in the hallway a chi old
screamed and I almost. I was like, oh my god,

(06:04):
the bunk because it doesn't there's no carpeting.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
I heard clonking upstairs and I was like, that'd be
funny if it was a ghost.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Yeah, but it's just there's no carpeting.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
But did you see there's a giant pillow on the
bed that says.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Sleep with Me.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
And I'm like, oh, that's my sleep podcast I listened to.
So maybe they maybe they're fans of that podcast. Insomniacs
here know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 (06:28):
What what just.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
The idea that your hotel would be like I think
I know what podcast she likes sewing a pillow? When
did you make that reservation three days ago? Sewing sewing
all night?

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Staying there again?

Speaker 2 (06:45):
I mean, we've been given weirder gifts.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Am I wrong? Uh? So this is my favorite murder.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Hi everybody, thanks for being here. You're you're into it
now now you like doing light stuff? Okay?

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Good to know.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
That's so scary, like we can't really see anyone, which
is good because it's scary and it feels like when
like when like large Marge makes her face all like
when the lights or no, when.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
He has to like it's just one one lady with
a huge face in the middle.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
It's like, ah, fuck, I don't I don't want to
see that. I want to pretend that this is not real.
It's fun, It's totally fun.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
It's we're in a fie ladies and gentlemen, we're in
a fight. When we were upstairs, there's a record player
and I put on the record that was there, which
was like a k Tell I think it was called
like Emotions or something, and there was all these songs
from the eighties that were like every song from my
junior high dance and so I was kind of getting

(07:47):
like an acid stomach, and Georgia was like doing something else,
like it seemed like she wasn't paying attention at all.
And then all of a sudden, there was a song
on and it was sticks. It was a stick song.
I can't remember what it was. And all of a sudden,
George snaps up and goes, what is this. She doesn't
even have a good voice.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
It was so bad.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
She suck made me feel like I was in a
grocery store, like a sad grocery store.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yo, sorry, sticks fans.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Just a ballad war singing leg these that's all it was.
In the eighties. That's all we had.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
No, I don't I don't need that.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
We wanted more.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
We had Color Me Bad, just low dance too. No,
that's how old I am. Oh yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Was blackout drunk for Color Me Bad.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
It's probably up.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Here a couple of times. Yeah, it was fun. Oh
this is the other. I didn't start out on the
store wearing these shoes with a dress. That probably wouldn't
be my first choice, but I was like, fuck it,
I can't do it anymore. Yeah, I had like huge
heels for a while.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Heels on what that man?

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Or? Who fuck? What am I doing?

Speaker 1 (09:05):
No offense?

Speaker 3 (09:09):
What?

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah? What else?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Let's regroup, Let's just refocus. I think we have.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
We did a Vancouver show last night, which was I
think one guys.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Oh, that's right. There's a wagon train that came down
from Vancouver that said this show.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Now I think they're over there. Guess what.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
So at the end of the show, we were like,
gonna have some of these like to release and stuff
the live shows, and then they were like that didn't work.
We didn't get the recording. So that was an exclusive show.
So we're gonna be maybe tonight, you guys, things will
happen and this will be an exclusive show too.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
But yeah, they came to us after and they're like,
it just didn't record, and we're just like, well, it
is a podcast, so we'll just tell everybody about it. Yeah,
so if you get a call, we're gonna be like
episode fifty eight. Here's basically how it went.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
It was so good, so I go, best show and
then George's like, then I'm like a Canadian name wrong.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Oh my god, we were hilarious last night. Oh my god,
best we've ever been on our It was fucking incredible.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
We've ever been.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Death jokes everything you like, punts, terrible puns and don't
be fine evens like.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Like you know, talking about Stephen all the time.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
We yelled at Stephen.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yelled at Stephen a lot.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Did she see magical?

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Someone a bunch of people on Instagram. I wrote a
thing about like that. It didn't record, and everyone was like, Stephen,
you had one.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Job comments like over and over and over again.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
It wasn't even there wasn't even there. He was intently
sitting in Los Angeles stroking his own mustache, and he's like,
I'm sure he was, like, did I.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Do something wrong.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
I guess you know what I probably did. I probably did.
I'm really sorry, sweet little I love Kats, nice Steven,
God blessed soul.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah that's a great description of him.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Oh, the reserved are finally mister and missus reserved are
finally here.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
So can we get this.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Real quick?

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Just real quick. It's my cousin Danny. No, come on,
oh my god?

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Oh oh oh no?

Speaker 1 (11:41):
What if she tells him he's adopted? Here's this time?

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Come on, Danny, let's see right here.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
You think, guys.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Georgia, you think you're better than us? Hi?

Speaker 1 (11:58):
God, how are you nice to me?

Speaker 3 (12:00):
It's my cousin Danny Brown. He's the youngest of all
the cousins. Well, Chris is the youngest, right, Chris is
the youngest. Oh you know. Called said, hey, I'm going
to be in Seattle this weekend too, Can I come
to your show? And I said, beyond time? Wait, will

(12:23):
you really quickly tell the story. So I don't know
if any of you you probably aren't, but if there
are any San Francisco Giants fans in the audience couple,
then there's problems.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
I know.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
So there's oh good, So do you want to tell
that story of when you you got you were got
to be famous for fifteen minutes? Do you want me
to do it for you? And you can just chime in,
you do tell a better story than I do. Well,
So that was part of the genetics. I got all
the all of them. SONI looks like Buster Posey, who

(13:01):
is the catcher for the San Francisco Giants quite a
bit to the point where right I didn't know that.
A man in the front said, yeah, you do, so
now we know it's true. So Danny worked in at
uh it wasn't Campbellstick was it. It was his at
and T Park. He worked at the park. Then one

(13:25):
day he was leaving and some little kids walked up
and they were like, oh my god, Buster Plose can
we get an autograph? And he's like, I'm not Buster Posey,
And then more people came up and after girl, so
he just started signing autographs.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Ruined rookie cards.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Some guy like in fifty years goes to like he's
been saving it for his children for retirement, and he
goes to bring in and cash it in and they're like,
this is a fucking forge, dude.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Zero value.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Way to go.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
The economy collapse. He's like, don't worry about it. You've
got this thing.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Grandpa has got you.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
All right, you can go. You know, have to stay
up here, Danny Brown, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Good job myself.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Now you're fine. You're fine. We'll talk about it at Christmas.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
I'm so glad that was your cousin. That was great.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
It was just a person that I would have yelled
at him anyway. It's what I do. It's my passion.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
You you wear it well?

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Thanks? Like this dress, like this goddamn dress.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Should we talk about murders?

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Should we talk about some murders?

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Do you want to do that?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
I wonder if one guy's like, oh, I didn't know
that's what they were.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Really, I'm not really into that.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
No, thank you?

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Actually, like, why would anyone want to talk about murder?

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Keep talking about your clogs. That's what we really I
really love clogg cast clog No Dan Scope present the
clock cast. Do not steal that.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
No, it's copywritten our lawyers in the reserve section, and
that's writing everything down.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
He'll be here in forty five minutes.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
I think, what do you want to go first? You
want me to go first.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Well I went first last night.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Okay, then I'm gonna go first.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, we're off. We're off a little bit.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah, someone someone gave us while they were at the show.
They gave us a little rock and it says K
on one side and G on the other, and they
said you can just flip it whenever you want to.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Know who's going to go first, and was like pretty brilliant.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
I thought they could have done that on a quarter.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Now we have to carry around a big rock, so
thank you. It's pretty It's like thanks, yeah, a good
sized rock.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Okay, this one, okay, this is what I said this
to my therapist in last week. Last week in therapy
because I'm bad at this. I'm cry just want.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
During this murder?

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Uh huh?

Speaker 3 (16:04):
If you do, will you walk up stage and like
really I mean downstage and really like give it to
the people, look up to the y. Could we get
a pin spot if she starts crying? Oh I know,
I'm bugging you, but I.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Didn't know that what that was.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, all right, because I saw a document about this,
like this is probably one of my like really young murders,
you know, like young is in like early teenage. I know,
you know, I saw a documentary about it. It fucking ruined me.
It made me feel so awful. It's always stuck with me,
partly because for ten years it was a cold case,

(16:37):
which you know, I'm obsessed with. And so it's one
of those like big things that have no answers and
you always, you know, think about it and imagine what
could happen, and then when you.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Find out it gets solved, it's.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Just so pointless and empty. It doesn't feel better, you know.
So this is the story of me as a PoTA. Yeah,
Seattle's fucking yeah, I might cry, Okay.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
So.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Mia Zapata is born in August of nineteen sixty five.
She's raised in Louisville, Kentucky, and she was always obsessed
with music. She learned to play the guitar and piano
at nine years old. She would listen to punk and
jazz and everything in between. She just was obsessed with music.
And she had a voice like a jazz singer. It

(17:22):
was like Janice Choplin's voice. It was amazing. And then
in nineteen eighty four she goes away to college in
Yellow Springs, Ohio to study liberal arts, and in nineteen
eighty six, she meets three friends and they start a band.
It's Steve Moriarty, Matt dread Dresner, and Joe Spleen. They
formed the punk band that Gets Yes Yeah and So Matt,

(17:47):
who was a member of the Gets, said that I
went to many shows where afterwards people didn't even know
I was on stage because their eyes were so transfixed
on Mia because she just had this amazing, amazing stage presence.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
He said.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
She was like a blue singer fronting a punk band.
And then in nineteen eighty eight, they recorded their and
self released their unofficial debut album called Private Lubes Loves Lovesbs.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I wish this was Champagne and it's not. And then
and then in nineteen eighty nine, the band relocates to Seattle.
Here you are because there's this huge music scene that
you guys have all heard of all the time, and.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
It's just kind of getting big.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Did you guys know that you had a music.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Did you know that people like music and they came
here to make it?

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Who knew?

Speaker 2 (18:40):
I thought it was just la uh. So Mea gets
a job at a local trashy dive bar, which I
bet is a fucking like classy cocktail bar with fourteen
dollars drinks at this point, right local trashy dive bar.
It was down the street from a mental hospital which she.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Loves, which is our hotel.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Dude, dude, it's true. I believe it.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
I'm not kidding. I'm gonna look it up on I.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Think you're right.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
MIA's described as someone who commanded respect and interest immediately,
and she and the band members move into an abandoned
house they called the Rat House and Capitol Hill district
where the band rehearsed and lived, and they earned a huge.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Following in the local scene.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
They have met a lot of friends and they kind
of just like Mesh right into the local punk scene
in the community. And let's see. So, MIA's described as
funny and kind. She love meeting new people. She would
help friends recover from drug addiction. She took in homeless acquaintances,
and she helped a lot of people through various crisis.

(19:48):
She was a really open and kind person. Everyone said
she was really funny and always joking and shy, but
a really good friend. So during the nineties, buzz begins
to surround the g and they release a bunch of
singles on local independent record labels. They're known for their
like powerful driving music, you know, like punk, with these

(20:09):
amazing lyrical poetic lyrics, lyrical poetic lyrics. And then in
ninety two they release their official debut album, Frenching the Bully,
and they their reputation gets even bigger in the Seattle
scene and they begin to work on their second album

(20:29):
called Enter the Conquering Chicken, which is titled after MIA's
chicken tattoo which it represents her childhood nicknamed chicken legs,
which is adorable. Ninety three, Atlantic Records offers a single
to the get or offers to sign the gets, and
they set up a national tour. And Mia was never
really into the idea of getting really famous, and she

(20:51):
all she said she wanted to do is get a
cabin in the woods, an old jeep and a shot
and a sheep dog to write shotgun.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Did it sound like I was going to say in
a shot gun to shoot.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Cheap dogs, where everybody has a dream, where you get
to have whatever you want as your dreams.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Spreading false rumors. I know that's her favorite murder. It's
not right, No, So just days before the tour is
about to start. On July seventh, ninety ninety three, Mia
leaves one of her regular hangs, the Comet Tavern in
Capitol Hill, which we're all.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Going to meet at.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Afterwards, she's looking for her boyfriend but couldn't find him,
and then goes to visit a friend named Tracy, and
Tracy says that that night she was really agitated and distracted,
and Tracy urged her to stay the night at her house,
but Mia said she would just take a cab home.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
She wanted to leave.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
I think she was upset with her boyfriend because he
wasn't around. And this is the last time that Mia
seen alive. She They think she walked a few blocks
the direction of her place or went a different way,
just kind of liked to wander the city. And either way,
an employee at the Commet remembers her wearing her headset

(22:11):
as she left, so it's thought that she was listening
to music in her walkman, and so wasn't kind of
paying attention to her surroundings and not listening and didn't
hear I mean, not much. What a fucking we don't'll
do anything anyways, Like if she hears someone, she can
you know, whatever, okay. And then at three point twenty,
a sex worker discovers MIA's body in the hundred on

(22:33):
the one hundred block of twenty fourth Avenue South, which
is in the Central District drisject of Seattle, and it's
kind of known as a seedy neighborhood at the time.
And she's found in the street on her back with
her arms outstretched and her legs straight and crossed, and
she had been beaten and strangled with the cord of
her sweatshirt, which was a gits sweatshirt, which is like that.

(22:56):
And then I'm gonna cry, and she had been raised,
although the police kept that part out like from the
public for years.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
I'm not sure why.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Then, Oh, Karen, you just can't turn that page.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
We just have to stop the show, okay.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
So it's thought that she encounters her attacker around two
point fifteen in the morning, and that she had been
killed somewhere else and then transported to the location where
her body is found. And it's about two miles from
the studio where her body was found where she had been,
and it's on a dead end street, and the cops
don't think she had been murdered where she was found.

(23:42):
They thought that someone brought her to the location when
after she was dead, and.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
There was like there's many theories of what could have happened.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
She told her friends she was taking a cab home,
so they thought that maybe one of the drivers had
picked her up that night, and so they looked into
all of them to see if anyone had picked her up,
and nobody had. And then a man had heard a
horrifying scream, he said when he was at home near
the reservoir, which ended up think three miles from where
she was found, and so they thought maybe she could

(24:12):
have walked towards the reservoir that way, which is where
he heard the scream, and he ran outside. He heard
this scream and it was so awful that he ran outside.
The only person that was ever seriously questioned was as
a suspect was me as boyfriend, and they were in
the process of breaking up, and he was described even
by his friends as scary. Yeah, but he passes two

(24:34):
light detector tests and gives hair and blood samples.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
He shows up for every appointment.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
He's super cooperative, and he has a solid alibi, so
he's cleared. And then the police have no suspects to
question at that point, they didn't have a crime scene
or witnesses, and so the case went cold.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
And after her murder.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Seattle's music community, including Nirvana and Joan Jet, helped raise
seventy thousand dollars to hire a private and go investigator
for three years via benefit concerts.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
So yeah, it's pretty fucking rab so.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Meanwhile, police think that Mia had been killed by a
random killer. Some people think that, and many people in
the punk rock community thought that she had been killed
by someone that she knows, and I remember believing that
for so long when after I had heard about it,
and some people thought she that whoever killed her hadn't
been acting alone because she was posed in this christ

(25:29):
like pose, that someone had carried her feet and someone
had carried her arms and then left her there.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
And then also.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
People thought it might be a serial killer because of
the ritualistic pose, and also a cup from her bra
was missing, so they thought maybe that the serial killer
had taken it as a souvenir. The private investigator funds
end up drying up with no major breaks in the case,
and the investigator, the private investigator lee heron she just
continues to investigate on her own because she's obsessed with it,

(25:57):
which is pretty fucking cool. Then in ninety eight, after
five years of investigation, Seattle police say that they're no
closer to solving the case than they were right after
the murder.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
And for ten years there's.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
This crazy suspicion and accusation and fear throughout this whole
Seattle community. Everyone is just wondering who this can be,
and it's gonna happen again because there's no there's no
rhyme or reason. Then ten years later, in two thousand
and three, the Seattle Police test DNA against the national database,
which they had tried in two thousand and one and

(26:30):
had no results.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
But this time there was a match.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
A man who had recently even forced to submit DNA
in the database when he was arrested in Florida for
burglary and domestic abuse in two thousand and two is
match to the DNA found at the scene, specifically the
saliva from the bitemarks on MIA's chest, which thank god,
they fucking collected that in might like ninety three. You know,

(26:54):
heyeseus Mezkia, he's forty eight, he's from he's a Cuban
native who lives in Floor to Keys. He didn't know
Mia at all, but he lived just three blocks from
where her body had been found. Askia is this huge,
hulking man. I mean, if you see video of him,
he's a giant. And he has a history of violence

(27:16):
and sexual assault against women. He was a drifter in
the nineties and he spent time in Seattle where there
was a report of a decent exposure filed against him,
and it had happened near the Comet Theater within weeks
of when MIAs when he had been killed, but there
was no no links to the two of them, so
it was just a random attack, which is fucking crazy.

(27:37):
He never testified in his own defense and still maintains
his fucking innocence. And the theory is that he saw
her leave the bar and followed her before he attacked
her and drags her into his car assaults her in
the back seat. He's convicted in two thousand and four
and sentenced to thirty seven years initially, which doesn't seem

(27:59):
like an right, and he appeals and then he's sentenced
to thirty six years instead.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Just like, Okay, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Like I just don't even I am sorry. And he's
been in prison since two thousand and three, is still alive,
and this is her dad said, you don't realize what
forever is. You drive your daughter to school, tell your
wife have a good day, I'll see you later. But

(28:31):
you see, you'll be together at the end of the day.
But then something happens, and forever is forever. It doesn't
matter what you do, how you do it, how I pray,
how I wish, Nothing on earth is going to bring
me back. That's that.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
That's awful.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
It is, I know.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
I mean, I remember seeing that one. I think there's
a forensic files of it because right because I just
remember seeing it because every forensic files that that old
guy narrator, it was always like these random people and
suddenly he's talking about like the punk scene in Seattle.
Hearing that guy talk about it, I don't know it

(29:12):
was it was it was like bone chilling where it's
just like, fuck, this is really a real thing that happened.
It's not like something that happens to someone in you know, Idaho.
It's like something you can't connect with, Like that's that
wasn't a judgment. I'm just trying to pick a random state.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Something we have, not like you know, someone's mom, like
a mom. I can't identify with that except I'm a mom,
but I'm not one. But yeah, it was like they
showed footage on the forensic files at like the Punk Show,
and it was like, oh, I've fucking been to those things.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Well I fucking walked drunk away from a one thousand bars.
So it's just that chilling feeling of like.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Fuck alone with headphones in Jesus. Yeah, it's so that's
really sad. Well, bye, take it away, Karen, and I
really set you up for failure, didn't I Nope.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
You want to know why?

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Why?

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Because I'm doing Ted Bundy. I mean.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Right, like, that's.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Come on.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
This is.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
This is how we do it, fucking dropping it and
picking it back on.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Fucking like, what is this?

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Here's something meaningful. Now here's a super monster. Right, here's
your hometown super monster. Congratulations to go.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
I'm not gonna cry on this one.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
No, no, no, well uh but I am glad you
did that. I think that that means a lot.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Those two nice. Yeah, this is a nice little This
is a nice pairing.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
What are we talking about?

Speaker 1 (30:58):
What is this? This is a fucking cheese and charcooterie.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Player did here's a funny thing. When I was looking
up this stuff, uh someone he on one page they
said Ted Bundy, sometimes known as the co Ed Killer,
sometimes known as the Angel of Decay.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
What that sounds like a dentist, like a golf dentist.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yeah, yeah, what if there's a dentist serial killer, then
that's what that is. I mean, they're already so horrible.
I mean, I've never heard Ted Bundy called the Angel
of Decay.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
This never happens.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
I feel like that was like a weird u r
L link and they just went to someone someone's weird
poetry page.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
It's like, no, that's not don't click on that.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
But as probably many of you have already know and
have already read, one of my favorite crime writers is
Anne Rule and write. She's just like she's the fucking
Stephen King of true crime. It's crazy. She churned it
out for years and years. God bless her soul and
her story. I wish here if this, if I had

(32:17):
all the time in the world and I could really
fucking here's what I would do. I would now clear
the stage. I would put on an Ann Rule costume,
and I would do a one woman show called The
Stranger Beside Me.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah, I'd fucking say in the audience and yell.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
It would be like fuck you, i'detes as real loud.
That would because her story. So if you don't know,
Anne Rule was a crime writer who in the seventies
had been a cop and had become like a crime
beat reporter, among other things. I think she still worked

(32:59):
in the police department also in some other ways, but
she also volunteered at a suicide prevention hotline and that
is where she met the amazing mister Ted Bundy. She
worked side by side with him on the night shift
at a suicide hotline, and she he was a close friend.

(33:20):
And she used to like to say if she was
ten years younger or her daughters were fifteen years older,
she thought he was the perfect man.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
This is why you never let your mom set you
up with any but your mom. Yet, next time she
tries say guess what, mom, Yeah, don't pull that, Anne
ruleshit on me, mom, Eric from your office could be
a serial killer.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Also, I just love this is my favorite kind. My
favorite kind is the ones who like wear like fair
Isle sweaters and like hey, I'd love to treat you
to a bottle of shablee or where you're like, I
never saw I've never and that he is so that
way that even this woman, who like herself had studied psychology,

(34:10):
was had been a coop all these things, did not
see it, didn't see it. Over and over again, even
when the like the evidence was piling up in front
of her face, she'd still be like, it can't be him.
It's that's crazy. It isn't him.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
I just can't imagine. I mean, I guess today is
different these days, but fucking fuck.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
But I think it's also you know, it's also a
tribute to his insane, like you know, whatever he was.
I like to say, my favorite one to say is psychopath,
but who really knows what that means.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Not me get offended, some.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Get offended, Some just want me to be accurate. I
think he was a sexual, sadist psychopath.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, I think so. I think he enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
He really got off to one minute. I feel like
that was part of his enjoyment. Is just living in
playing sight.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
And manipulating people. And he he was really quite something.
All right, let's talk about to do it? So uh
so his mother, Louise Cowell. Uh. This is how he
started life. His mother got pregnant out of wedlock, so

(35:25):
he was raised to believe that his grandparents were his
parents and his mother was his sister. That's fine, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
George Clooney. It didn't turn him into a serial killer.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Is it, George Cloinney?

Speaker 1 (35:39):
No? Is it.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
That it was fucking naming people rumors I'm spreading. It
did not affect Brad Pitt one bit.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
What's the problem with someone? I swear.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Someone's yelling some famous person?

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yes, someone tell.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Me Bobby play Oh, George Clooney from.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Jack Nichols, thank you, yes, Joy Elson? Is that right?

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Yes? Are you just picking one?

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Where to God? That's when I met Okay, same fucking thing,
those two.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
He did fine with this, exactly a psychopath, although the
shining all right. There were also rumors that his grandfather,
who was he was raised to believe was his father,
was actually his father. But that's just gossip. Stop gossiping
about by God. So he graduated from Woodrow Wilson High

(36:43):
School in Tacoma in nineteen sixty five. Willis the Fighting Murderers,
and he won a scholarship to the University of Huget Sound.
After two semesters, he transferred to the University of Washington.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
A bunch of fucking educated listeners in this audience. I
know they love school, how about And then they didn't
go to college.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Wow. Then they went for a year and a half,
stopped going to class. Then just they thought they could
hide the report card.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, and then just signed up for class so they
could get their mom's health insurance.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Alright, sorry, I've interrupted you.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Okay. After two semesters, he transferred to the University of Washington,
and there he meets Stephanie Brooks, which is a pseudonym.
I didn't know that for a long time. Makes me
really mad. I always thought her name was Stephanie Brooks.
That's a pseudonym. Stephanie was a beautiful girl from a
wealthy California family. They dated for a year. Ted is

(37:49):
way more into her than she is into him, and
eventually she graduates, she moves back home to her parents'
house in California, and she breaks up with him, and
she tells him upon breaking up with him that he's
immature and he lacks ambition. And I'm sure that that
went overwhelm with ted. He's like, thank you, Stephanie, I

(38:12):
appreciate your candor and I'll take it into consideration.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
No ambition, eh, watch this.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
So So, then in nineteen sixty nine, right after that happens,
he decides he's going to go back to his birthplace, Burlington, Vermont,
visit his family. That's where he finds out he's illegitimate.
Oh but anyway, here's some maple syrup. So he comes

(38:48):
on back to Seattle this spring in his step and
a thirst for blood. So he comes back from that
trip really knuckles down and becomes a big Republican.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Why is that the weirdest That's like the weirdest twist
for me. Yeah, not that.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Oh isn't that a fun twist? Huh? He was like,
I know what's gonna impress Stephanie. I'm gonna get into politics.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
I watched this.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Watch me wear a red and white striped tie. Stephanie,
goddamn it. So he runs the Seattle campaign office for
Nelson Rockefeller's presidential run. Who I know, he did a
great job. So then he returned to the University of Washington.

(39:45):
He becomes a psychology major and an honor student, and
he meets a woman named Liz Kendall, who then becomes
his girlfriend. He graduates from UW in nineteen seventy two
with a dream psychology, and that summer he goes on
a business trip to California and he meets up with
Stephanie Brooks just to say, Hi, Hey, what's going on?

(40:08):
I just want to check in and see how you are?
Catch up? What have you been up to down here?
What this time? Oh? I wrote this time as a
motivated Republican psychology grad student with some amazing sweaters. So
they get they actually get back together. He gets back

(40:30):
together with her and they date for a year.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
His poor girl, real girlfriend at home is like he said,
he was just gonna have fucking Margarita's with her.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Neither of them knew about each other. Yeah, So he
gets back together with Stephanie Brooks, dates her very seriously
for a year, is very romantic, is very lovely. At
the end of the year, he proposes marriage. She says yes,
and two weeks later he breaks up with her and
will not return her calls whoa so what did he?

(40:59):
That was a he fucking vengeance? Dated proposed to her.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
If he wasn't Ted Bundy, I'd be like, fuck, yeah
you did, But.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
No really shines a light on that behavior, doesn't it.
It's very very destructive behavior, ambitious, cruel behavior.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
I do.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
I do like it, though I love it.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
I mean's I.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Can think of like four different people. It's been amazing
to do that too. You make them refall in love
with you, and you're like, later days, oh fuck yourself,
Peace out to you and your family.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Remember when I was wearing this outfit, remember this helpit?

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah, uh okay, so then, uh, Stephanie's devastated. This is
what I wrote, and it's tasteless. Stephanie's devastated, and as
she weeps, her long brunette hair covers her face evenly
on both sides. That's right, because it's part of down
the middle. Remember that, remember that for later.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Isn't that where it starts? Nope, I'm not right.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Forgot freeze that make it just paint a picture in
your mind. You're gonna want to look back at it later.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Post it posted it post because.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Almost immediately after all of those events, Ted's murderous rampage begins.
And when I say murderous rampage, I'm talking about like
five pages of eleven point font rampage shit, so let's
blaze through this.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Get comfy everyone.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Shortly after midnight on January fifth, nineteen seventy four, Ted
Bundy breaks into the basement apartment of eighteen year old
Joni Lenz, also a pseudonym, and bludgeons her with a
metal rod from her own bedframe, sexually assaults her with
a speculum, and leaves her for dead. She is found
by her roommates the next day in a pool of
blood in a coma, and she survives but has permanent

(42:55):
brain damage. One month later, Ted Bundy breaks into the
room of UW stud and his cousin's roommate, Linda Ann Healy.
He knocks her unconscious, dresses her and jeans and a
T shirt, wraps her in a sheet, and carries her away.
That's on February first. Now female co eds start disappearing
at the rate of one a month. They're all young

(43:18):
and slender, with long brown hair parted down the middle.
In March, Donna Gail manson, what'd you say?

Speaker 1 (43:25):
I remember that? Now? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (43:26):
You remember from It was like only three paragraphs I remember.
In March, Donna Gail Manson, a nineteen year old student
at Evergreen College in Olympia is kidnapped and murdered.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Don't be fucking cheering.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
That's it's a wonderful arts college actually, where you get
to give yourself your own grades. It's real like fucking
a lot of this and a lot of this and
then yes, mom, yes no, I am learning a ton.
Thank you, thanks for the health insurance things for calling
during my acid trip anyhow. In April, Susan Rancourt disappears

(44:10):
from the campus of Central Washington State College in Ellensburg.
The same night, right the same night, another female student
reports being approached by a man in a cast asking
for help carrying a stack of books to his Volkswagen Beetle.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Here we go right.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Two other co eds tell the same story from three
nights earlier. In May, Kathy Parks disappears from Oregon State
campus in Corvallis.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
It's really weird.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
I feel like you should be omitting the college names.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Poor Oregon State. They're just like we've got to represent
and they know what's coming. It was like four said
people up there, we love the middle of Oregon too.
On June first, Brenda Ball leaves the Flame Tavern in

(45:04):
Burian and is never seen again.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
In Berrien.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Borian hoogars. I mean, seriously, seriously.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
The fact that you knew the geography of where the
middle of Oregon was. I was impressed, so fine bileyen.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Ten days later, in the early morning hours of June eleventh,
UW student George Anne Hawkins is last seen leaving her
boyfriend's dorm to take the short walk back down the
alley to her sorority house. They say it was fifty
yards from his door to her door, but she never arrives.
Witnesses tell the police they see a man in a

(45:51):
leg cast struggling to carry a briefcase the night before.
One student reports the man asked her to help him
carry the briefcase back to his Volkswagen Beetle. No, if
a man ever asks you to help him carry a briefcase.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
We've talked about this, women and children. If men ask
you for directions, children, no, they don't.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Want adults don't need your help, children no. And men
who can't carry their own suitcases don't get to have
I mean briefcases, don't get to have briefcases. Yep, that's
just part of it. It's a good rule. If you've
injured your arm. Then you don't get to carry your briefcase. Sorry,
important businessman, put a backpack on. Take a break. This

(46:39):
brings us to July seventeenth, nineteen seventy four. This is
the part where when I was reading a stranger beside
me this, I couldn't stop reading this chapter over and
over because it's so fucking fucked up. So Lake's Samimish Samish.
I mean, they should spell it phonetically on Wikipedia if

(47:01):
they want podcasters to announce it correctly. Lake Samamish State
Park in Issaqua.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
You guys are you're not getting easily impressed.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
I mean, fucking what a job we have.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
I mean, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
This is like like reverse kindergarten.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Basically, this is like a spelling beast that like, you
just can't loot.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Everyone wins, everyone gets a ribbon.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
That's right, I'm into it. Okay, So at Lake, well shit,
I forgot already Samamish Samish. Uh. It's a beautiful holiday weekend. Uh,
and tons of people are there. You know, when it's

(47:52):
sunny up here, you guys go batshit. It's like all
this sudden everybody's wearing the smallest base suit they can find.
Like fucking standing around at a man made lake. So
this there's actually pictures online, you can look this up.
It's so packed on this day, there's like there's just

(48:14):
people standing like shoulder to shoulder. It's unbelievable. And that day,
two women, Janis At and Denise Naslin, both disappear without
a trace in the middle of the day. So eight
witnesses tell police they saw a handsome young man named
Ted what he's used, he doesn't use a pseudonym, with

(48:35):
his arm in a sling, and he and five of
them are women who he asked for help unloading his
sailboat from his Volkswagen. So one woman actually went with
him and as she's walking up to the volkswagen, she's like,
they're in a sailboat over here, and she was all
by good for her. Three witnesses said that they saw

(48:57):
Janis Ought speaking to that same man. They saw her
leave with him, and then four hours later Naslin disappears.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Wow, he came back.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
He fucking killed Janie Aunt up in like the hills
about a mile away, Oh my god, and then came
back to get another woman. He is in a full
on fucking psychotic frenzy. Yeah, but meanwhile, all like he's
they said. The witnesses describe him as having kind of

(49:28):
a clipped, slightly British accent, So can you out he's
like fucking he's like a werewolf rampaging. And then he
like wipes it all off and turns around. It's like, hello,
do you mind, I've got to say a boat over here.
I can't. I can't get it off my go on.

(49:50):
I was a theater manger. Okay, So the police distribute flyers. Also,
there's a there's two comparative pictures. Then next weekend at
that lake, nobody's there. Nobody's there. That's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Theikini's away.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Yeah, that's right. So the police distribute flyers. They hold
a press conference describing the man witnessed. Ted Bundy's girlfriend,
his psychology professor, and his suicide prevention coworker and crime
writer and Rule all call the police and give his name, No, yes,
and and Rule. In the book she talks about it

(50:28):
where she calls and says, this is crazy and I
mean it's probably not him. But the thing is that
he does have a gold volkswagon. His name is Ted.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
And and he has no sailboat.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
It can't be denied. Here's total lack of voting. Uh oh, okay,
so oh, because they also gave his physical description, so
basically just staring all of them in the face and
they're like, I know, I mean, could it be no,

(51:08):
But it also must be really weird because she talks
about in the book that he was so empathetic and
he would talk to people. He would talk people off
killing themselves. Four hours. He would stay on the phone.
He was so empathetic, like he had the most amazing
mask that he would wear. He was living the ultimate
double life. It's fucking nuts. Okay. So Ted Bundy killed

(51:31):
both of those women within hours of each other, and
both of those murders were so brutal that when their
skeletal remains were found a mile from that lake, there
were only bone fragments left and up there with them.
When they found those skeletal remains, they also found the
remains of George Anne Hawkins, and then just east of

(51:53):
there on Taylor Mountain. In nineteen seventy five, the partial
skeletal remains of the rest of the missing women were found. Heale,
Susan Rancourt, Kathy Parks, and Brenda Ball and Bundy claimed
that Donna Manson was also buried there, but no remains
of her have ever been found. So he basically had
these two dumping grounds and he used to go visit them.

(52:15):
I don't know how he fucking found the time, but
it was like among all the other bullshit that he
was doing. Then he would drive up into the mountains
and then just sit there with his victims' bodies.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
All right.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Then he decides to go to law school. Oh my god,
because Hilt he's gonna teach that ex girlfriend a thing
or two. So he moves to Salt Lake City. Really,
that can't that was not sincere. All right, I'll try

(52:52):
to go through these fasts because this it's just so
much o'c chomb. Second, Nancy Willcox disappears from Halliday, Utah.
She was last seen writing in a Volkswagen. A little
over two weeks later, seventeen year old Melissa Smith is abducted, raped, sodomized,
and strangled in Midvale and her body is found nine
days later. She's the daughter of the police chief. Then

(53:13):
seventeen year old Laura Lara Amy disappears after leaving a
Halloween party in Lehigh and a month later, hikers find
her naked, beaten, strangled body on the banks of a
river in American Fork Canyon. On November eighth, Carol de
Ranch is leaving Fashion Place Mall in Murray when an
officer Roseland approaches her to tell her that her car

(53:35):
has been broken into and that she needs to come
with him to file a report. So she goes to
the car. She sees nothing's missing, but he tells her
she asked her to come to the station anyway. No, no, no,
And then they get into his Volkswagon. You know, he
didn't have a police car, the car that cops drive
all the time, gold Volkswagons. Man on the way, he

(54:03):
suddenly pulls over really fast and tries to throw handcuffs
on her, but in the frenzy and she starts fighting
him off. He puts both handcuffs on one wrist, and
then as he does that, he picks up a crowbar
whoa and tries to hit her over the head with it,
but she catches it mid air because her other arm
is free. Then she opens the car door and rolls

(54:24):
out onto the highway and escapes from fucking Ted Bundley.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Yes, Carol got a girl fuck.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Yes, Carol, I mean, yeah, all right, okay, yes, all right,
I just was gonna say, probably ruined going to the
mall for a long time. That night, at Beaumont High
School in Bountiful, the drama club is putting on a play.

(54:58):
This this ties back in. I just wanted to talk
about theater arts for a second. So both teachers and
students report seeing a man who approaches them to tell
them that their cars have been broken into. Some say
they see him lurking in the back of the auditorium
where the play is being held, and Debbie Kent, a

(55:20):
seventeen year old high school student, leaves the play at
intermission to go pick up her brother and is never
seen again. Later, the investigators find a small key in
that parking lot that fits the pair of handcuffs that
were taken off. Carol deroms, oh my god. Okay, so
now I've interjected a story I found on Reddit. Maybe

(55:42):
a bad idea, but it possibly could be true, maybe
thirty percent. So this story is a guy that says
his friend's parents met in their teens. At the end
of their first date, his friend's dad suggested that they
go for a midnight hike up in Provo Canyon. He
apparently knew the place since he had done a fair
amount of rock climbing in the area, So the two

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drove up to the mouth of the canyon started hiking
under the light of the stars since it was a
new moon.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
I'm just hoping to get late. At that point, nobody
fucking hikes it.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
May I know, but they can't.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
It's their son, so they can't have to tell him
a different story. Oh yeah, like son, we loved hiking
in the seventies. Oh, we'd hike and hike all night. Right.
At some point, the dad starts getting a bad feeling
since the pathway ahead, which was going to pass under
some trees, was going to be very dark, so he

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ignores the feeling and presses on.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Gott to ignore those feelings he got too.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
In later retelling of the story, his mom would say
that she felt the same bad feeling, but that she
didn't know the trail like he did, so she just
trusted that he knew what he was doing. A minute later,
the dad felt that feeling even stronger, ignored it again.
They walked a bit of the way the trees when
his foot hit something soft in the middle of the

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path under the trees. Though it was too dark to
see just what this soft thing was. The feeling came
back stronger than ever, and instead of finding out what
his foot hit, they both agreed to run away. No
years later, after being married for some time, congratulations to them.
They were watching an interview with the serial killer Ted Bundy.

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In response to a question asking him to describe the
time he felt closest to being caught. He explained about
the night that he lured a girl into Provo Canyon
had just killed her when he heard some people coming
up the trail, and that he hid in the trees
only to watch some guy walk right into the body
and for some reason just turn around and walk away.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Man, And this is why you always rang a flashlight
when you're fucking hiking at night.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Yes, yes, no, yes, no, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. Also,
somebody could have just watched interviews of Ted Bundy retro
engineered that entire story and be lying on Reddit. We
don't know, we don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
There's just no way to tell.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
There's no way to tell. Okay, So now Ted ventures
into Colorado, He's taken it to a different state. So
Karen Campbell disappears from the Wildwood Inn and Snowmass where
she was vacationing with her fiance and children. She disappeared
between the elevators and the front room of her door,
a span of fifty feet. Veil Ski instructor Julie Cunningham

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disappears in March of nineteen seventy five. Denise Ulverson in April,
and Grand Junction in May. Lynette Culver disappears in Idaho
from the grounds of her junior high school. In June.
Susan Curtis disappears in Utah. None of these bodies have
ever been found. Back in Washington, Ted Bundy's name had
made it onto four different suspect lists for four different reasons,

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and he was finally on the in the top twenty
five list of people to be investigated when a call
came in from Utah. Sorry, I just started thinking other stuff.
What am I gonna do tomorrow? Okay, So here's what happened.

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Back in Utah. Tad had failed to stop for routine
traffic violation.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
And those routine traffic violations will always they.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Will get you, I think from what I remember in
the book, but I'm not positive he was driving by
a house. He was basically casing a house and a
cop was like, what are you doing? Yeah, and then
when he went to pull him over, he wouldn't pull over,
and so he finally he got him, like got him
out of the car. And then when he searched his car,

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he found a crowbar, a ski mask, handcuffs, trash bags,
and an ice pick. You know, car stuff. So detected,
your Mary Thompson connected the Volkswagen to Carol de Ranch's
kidnapping case, and they get a warrant to search Ted's
apartment where they find a brochure for the Wild Wooden

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And when they put him in a lineup, Carol Deranch
comes in and as well as several of the Bountiful
High School play witnesses, and they all pick him out
as Officer roseland whoa, So this is his first conviction.
I know, only four more hours I was typing this.
I'm like, maybe I bail before he ever goes to jail.

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I mean, just like, there's no you have to tell
the whole thing. So basically here's what happens. He's tried
and convicted of the kidnapping case. He's sentenced to fifteen
years and they when they were taking him to trial,
during the recesses the officers, he was so charming and
chatty and cool and chill that the officers started letting

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him use the law library during the recesses of his
own trial, you know, to be cool. So on June seventh,
one day, while he's in the Lawberardy library, he sees
his chance and he jumps out a second story window.
Right when he lands, he breaks his ankle, and then
he runs for it and he escapes into the mountains

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and he survives for six days. He had found He
walked until he found a cabin. He rested for a
little while. At one point an armed citizen who was
up there specifically to search for escapee Ted Bundy comes
upon him, and Ted talks his way out of it
and just continues on his way. He was a slick,

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slightly British accented motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
This guy. That's that's yes.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
He must have had great like eyes or something. What
was it about Ted hairline? Yeah, just a strong fucking hairline, Jesus,
what the shit? Kind of like came down a little
bit of a v but not like a vampire vie. Yeah,
framed his face, just framed it up night. Yeah, some curls,
nice seventies. Uh sideburns. Yeah, it's a nice thick sideburn hair.

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But not threatening.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
No no, no, no no, I'm like not unkempt.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
No no, all right, you could. He brushed his hair
five hundred times every morning. Okay, he's finally recaptured, brought
back to jail. Immediately starts working on a new escape plan.
He cuts a hole in the ceiling into the crawl
space and then starts dieting. He loses weight, loses weight,
loses weight till finally.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
He oh that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
He finds out that they're going to move the venue
of his next of the trial. So he right now
he is in the I think he's an evergreen jail
and it's super old fashioned, and so he's like, I
gotta do it now. I can't wait anymore. So he
crawls up into this crawl space, crawls across and basically

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goes into right above the jailer's apartment, which is part
another part of the jail, but it's like where the
people work, where they actually lived in the jail. He
drops down into the jailer's linen closet, and luckily the
jailer and his wife were at the movies that night,
so he just puts on some of that guy's clothes
and fucking walks out the front door.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
You may like, what what was your diet? And can
I He's just.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
It was super. He was super paleo. He was like
one of the first paleo guys.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Do you think there's like a Bundy diet? App Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
He actually invented CrossFit by sawing the ceiling.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Oh I am I stabbing though?

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Oh no, no, oh, that's why they made that noise
preemptively before they heard the rest of my hilarious joke. Okay,
here's what he did. Uh so crazy. He hitchhikes to Veil,
then he takes a bus to Denver, then he takes
a bank a plane to Chicago. He eventually ends up
in Tallahassee, Florida. And this is the big fucking hideous

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finale that's so insane. At three am on Sunday, January fifteenth,
nineteen seventy eight, Ted Bundy crept into the unlocked back
door of the Kyomega sorority house at Florida State University, right,
and he bludgeoned and strangled four sorority girls, each roommates.

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So he went into the first room and killed Lisa
Levy and Margaret Bowman. He beat Margaret to death, and
then he'd restrained Lisa, beat Margaret to death, then began
to beat Lisa to death and brutally raped her and
then murdered her. Then undetected, he snuck down the hallway

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and did the same thing in the next room two roommates,
Karen Chandler and Kathy Kleiner. And then he just walked
out of the house in the fuck yeah. Then then
he walked down the street. Everyone in the autis is like,
I don't like true crime anymore. Then he walked down
the street, he broke into a house and he did

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the same thing to a girl named Cheryl Thomas, except
she survived. Yeah, he basically had already killed for women
that night, and so he was getting a little tired
and she was fighting him, and then and then people
came up from downstairs because they heard so much banging,
and he's basically like beating her with a big piece

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of wood the and he ran out, So she ended
up surviving. Then on February ninth, so like a month later,
he basically hides up in his weird apartment and he's
basically super crazy and like at the end, and he
probably knew he was at the end. On February ninth,
in Lake City, he abducted and raped a twelve year

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old girl named Kimberly Leech, and then he stole another
Volkswagen to drive across the state. But in Pensacola, an
officer noticed the stolen plates and pulled him over, and
he got out of the car and then immediate started
fighting with the cop and the cop gets him down,
cuffs him, gets him in the car, and Ted Bundy
says to the cop, I wish you killed me, right.

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So he's charged for the Tallahassee and Lake City murders.
He stands trial in Miami for the Coyomega murders, and
there was a Kyomega member named Nita Neary who saw
him leave and went to court and identified him, and
that testimony, as as well as the bite marks that
he left on his victims, were the evidence that basically

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convicted him. Now everyone's heard of this, but like, of course,
Ted Bundy, being the asshole that he is, decided he
was going to represent himself in a couple of these cases.
So in the Kimberly Leech case, he decided he would
be the lawyer, and at one point he called former
coworker Carol Boon to the stand and then in the
middle of the court case he proposed marriage to Carol Boone.

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She said yeah, yes, everybody she said yes, oh yeah.
They actually had a conjugal visit. And he has a
daughter that's not know or he could be the grandfather.
We don't know. But the good news is he was
convicted on all counts and he was sentenced to death,

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and on January twenty fourth of nineteen eighty nine, Ted
Bundy was executed in the electric chair in Florida. Yeah,
he had confessed to thirty murders, but it is estimated
that there's a chance that he is responsible for the
death of over one hundred women. WHOA, it's fucking crazy

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and fuck, here's a slight upturn. Not great, but whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
First of all, Ted Bundy claimed that porn is the
reason that he became a serial killer. I'm just saying,
watch yourselves, we know what you're up to. Everybody's so
cavalier about horn these days. Well it made Ted Bundy.
But from death Row. When they were looking for the

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Green River Killer, Ted Bundy contacted detective Dave Reikert. This
is some local shit. Huh yeah, we hate Dave riiker too.

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We're arrested right outside the theater.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
It was a setup.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
They hated him first. Anyhow, however you feel about him,
Ted Bundy called him and said, I can help you
catch the Green River Killer because I know how these
motherfuckers think. And then he did. But clearly there's a
problem with that. I don't know. I don't know what's
going on.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
I bet it has to do with the Green River Killer.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Oh oh, says my mom.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
So's everybody. So now we move into the Trump portion
of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Wrong, oh you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Well, we'll cap it off with this and Rule had
the best quote. She said, people like Ted can fool
you completely. I had been a cop, I had all
that psychology, but his mask was perfect. I say that
long acquaintance can help you. I say that long acquaintance
can help you know someone, but you can never really
be sure.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
That's Ted Bunny, that's your guy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Amazing, that's it. Do we have time? And that's it?

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Right, Yeah, I think that's it you guys, Yeah, that's
everyone thing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Thank you so much for coming out to the show.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Yeah, and thanks for being a part of us.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
That was super super fun.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
You guys are We love it here. It was very cute.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Thank you for being here. We're mad at you for
yelling at us about Dave Riker, but we'll talk about
it at different time. Stay sexy and don't get

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Fa