62 - Trust Issues & Ice Skate Shoes

On this week's MFM, Karen and Georgia tell stories from the road and then segue into the infamous Moors murders and the lesser known Gorilla Killer.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome to my favorite murder episode. What is it?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Sixty seven? Is it?

Speaker 1 (00:20):
I think? So?

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (00:21):
It's up there. We're pushing seventy baby. Holy crap, I
know that's kind of weird. Yeah, we're still kind of
a baby, but we're not. We're like one of those
old babies that's at New Year's.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
That you're like, should that baby still be breastfeeding?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
You're like, that baby shouldn't be up this late, and
it shouldn't be wearing a suit.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
No, No, isn't nowhere to see older babies with diapers?
And I don't know how old babies are supposed to
be my still wearing diapers And you're like, is that
not right?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
You mean the ones that are also wearing polo shirts
like then stand around with long hair, drinking bottles like
they run the place like adults.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, oh yeah, Hey. I met a girl today who
met ted Bundy's brother. Really yeah. She said that she
grew up across like in the town, but she was
a lot younger, and she said that she was at
a bar one time back home and her friend introduced
her to this guy and she was like the whole
time was like something, there's something about his face looks familiar.
And then she said, but he also had this like

(01:17):
in his eyes, this incredible look of sadness. And when
he left, her friend was like, that's Ted Bundy's little brother.
Oh wow, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Now can you imagine?

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Did he have a little brother?

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Well? Maybe she was lying. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
I mean now, I really I'm the last person who
would know for sure. And I did Ted Bundy on
this show.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Why would you know?

Speaker 1 (01:42):
But I mean, it doesn't stick with me. But I
know he had an older sister that also was his mom, right.
I wonder if his little brother, if he had one,
was his.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Mom's sister, if it was the same sick grandma, right sister,
if it was if they figured that stuff out in
the Bundy family after Ted left.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Right, or yeah, if it was yeah, yeah still rabbit hole.
Uh I bet his last name wasn't Bundy?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I think it was really Yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
It was like, this is Mike Bundy.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Peter Mike Bundy, Peter Mike or Greg Bundy, the Bundy Bunch,
Bundy Bunch, Come let me say it one.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
We're so wait, you didn't when you said those three names,
you didn't realize you were doing a brady bunch of
reference until until that moment.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
There's two I didn't, Greg, I did.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Then you caught up to yourself. And that's the moment
of comedy.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Is that it?

Speaker 1 (02:36):
That's the fun moment where you go the comedy's writing itself.
Oh that's what that's phrase means, it writes itself. Oh
it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Really, someone's just to learn.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
It reminds me of your awesome blossom moment on stage.
Work in you'll all know what we're talking about later
on if we decide to post it. Oh yeah, it's
just always a secret. This is my favorite murder. Bye
the bye. If anyone is unsure.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah my murder. That's Karen. I'm Georgia. We just got
back from three shows in Portland that all are fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Such a fun weekend, and thank you for the donuts,
thank you for the laughter and the screaming. Thank you
for lots of good stories and things to walk away from.
Revolutional Hall was such a fun place to perform.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
In case we don't post it, can you tell the
story of the Army Cral.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yes, so let's see. That was the second night.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
I think so. No, No, it was the first night,
second show.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Okay, yes, first night, second show, so second. Yeah, we
were at the end and I had picked a girl
to do her hometown murder.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
We called someone up from the audience and she was
telling this.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Story about how her cousin found a dead body, and
it was immediately my favorite story we've had so far
because it was all the things that I enjoy, which
is her cousin happening upon a dead body in a creek.
Come to find out that's the dead body of a
rapist and kidnapper, perhaps murderer who was on the lamb.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
So we were happy about him being dead, so that
didn't feel gross.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, no guilt about the body, about the finding of
the body, or the discussion of the finding of the body.
And as this girl is telling the story, she tells
the whole story of the crime he did right before
he went on the lamb and then somehow died in
the creek.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
They don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
And she I asked a specific question about did your
cousin tell you anything about what it felt like to
find the body or touch the body whatever, and she
said she didn't know, and then they went Georgia said something.
They went on to talking I look over Georgia's shoulder
and there is a girl Elmer Fud style sneaking down the.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Aisle, not the aisle on stage, no no.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
I watched her come up the aisle sneaking like a
cartoon with her shoulders up and her knees raised high, sneaking,
and then she does an army roll onto the stage,
and that's when I interrupt the two of.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Them, and then it's across. Before this happened, I saw
Karen's face over my shoulder and it was like, I
got chills just looking at your face because you looked
like horrified. Yeah, And I slowly turned around in slow motion.
There's a girl walking towards us on stage.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
And I say, that's not cool. You have to get
off the stage right now. Straight up to her. I
was just like, because I'm thinking, just drunk.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
The beers a Revolutional Hall were three dollars. People were
definitely partying. It was the second show. It was a
bit ready. But she finally explains that she is the
girl telling the story.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Sister.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I want to see that girl's name was Nicole, but
I don't remember. There's no way. Finally we realize she's
okay to be there, And the only reason she came
up on stage was because she knew the answer to
the question I was asking.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
And sister fashion she needed to correct her sister.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yes, and her sister was doing something wrong correct an
ad but and then gave us great additional information. And
then it turned out to be the greatest hometown two
parter double sister storytelling. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
But then the next night too, another sister came up.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yes, that was super weird and.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
It was just like fine.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
It was sister's backing up sister's weekend all weekend in Portland.
It was so much fun. Everybody was so great.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, it really added Yeah, thank you Portland. So I
have a correction score. Oh oh, Karen, Yes, I have
to apologize. Hobo is an absolutely and it doesn't mean
anything derogatory. It's just a what is it called? You know?

(06:51):
And us a sniff snap and everything's fine.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Were you thinking of bum? I guess A couple of
people suggested that I probably.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Was putting them together. I just in my mind though,
still like walking by a homeless person and saying you
look at that, hobo just sounds So maybe it's just
the way it sounds in my head, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yes, it's contextual and interpretive, but the word itself is
not from like.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
I charrected you so hard and I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Oh, thank you for apologizing. That's very very nice of you.
I found out, do you know? And this is very separate,
but it's this reminds me of it because none of
us want to be an asshole or talk about people
asshole style.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
And I'm still I think this podcast has made me
even more aware of like everything about that.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Oh yeah, okay, yeah, we hear about it all the
time all the time. Did you know that when you
call the sprinkles that you put on top of a
Sunday Jimmy's that that's racist.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
I would never use that word. I never knew it.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
I always called them that, whether I always call them that, I.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Think it's racist. Yeah, I think that a lot of
things I just assume are racist. And this sound bad
like that?

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Why does it sound bad?

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Because I think I've heard before what the oh okay,
what's the background called?

Speaker 1 (08:12):
It might be like like a like a nickname me
thing for jim Crow because they're chocolate.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
So once someone explained it to me, I said it
out loud somewhere and someone turned around and was like,
what are you doing? And I was like, what do
you mean seeing.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
The word when people like you didn't know that one?
But when people say a word that you're like, are
you like the R word for people who are uh
mentally challenge challenged?

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (08:39):
That people that I know that live in Los Angeles.
I've heard people say that word and I'm like, how
the fuck do you not know? You don't use that word?

Speaker 1 (08:48):
It's got to feel bad. Yeah, there was a really
good PSA video that was put out about using the
R word that I really loved. It was back it
was when I was still on Facebook, so it was
like at least five years ago or six years ago.
I know it's a brag. I'll bring it up any
time I can.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
I'm no longer, and I still don't. I still call
Starbucks coffee small medium. Watch. So I think you and
I are in the same which you've been totally made
fun of me the Live show, which I was like,
fair you run into that bit.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
And I'm like, I can't let you. I can't let you.
But even it just even as even as a discussion,
I'm not gonna let you do it.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's like if I called coffee java like.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Though, it's as if you were like airplane food is small.
It was that sky.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
I totally wasn't making a joke. I was just really
angry about it. But yes, completely anyways, go anyhow PSA no, no,
just uh, you know, no, you were talking about a
PSA No. I know.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
I was just gonna say, it's it's that kind of
thing off. If it feels bad, don't do it. And
you know it feels bad when you because you're never
not using that in a anything but a derogatory way.
And it was in a movie the other yesterday. I
was just I was so tired, just laying there watching
TV all day long. There was this terrible movie came
on and at one point in the movie, and it

(10:03):
was from the early two thousands, this girl says it.
She's just like, that's so retarded, and it was it
sounded so bad. It's just people don't really do it anymore. Yeah,
at least at least not in movies and.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
In Los Angeles. I mean all those words, I think,
you know, well, that's the thing of people in the country.
It's not even known, but maybe just naive.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Well, and it's also the thing people fight because they're like, oh,
the social justice or whatever. W it's like, or just
don't insult people if you don't need to.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, well I want, I don't. Maybe you want slang
and it's like you don't need it.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Right, you don't need it. There's so many words. It's
about the exploration and use of words.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, I mean, man, the world. I could say some
words that are horrifying that I love saying, like cunt.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah you can say that.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I know.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
I had a T shirt that I bought when I lived,
like when I was in my twenties early twenties that
had it looked like the coke logo but it said
cont instead and I wore it one day and was
so self conscious and freak though by every because I
of course got one thousand dirty looks and whatever for it,
that I never wore it again.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
I'm now blushing that I said that word, Like, that's
how bad I am at this.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
But over in jolly old England they say it. It's
like saying jerk, Right, it's no big deal.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Should I say twat now?

Speaker 1 (11:19):
No? You should not never say that. I fucking hate
the word twatt.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
I don't think I've ever heard anyone actually say it.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
It's very seventies.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Speaking of England, we were allowed to tease speaking of
you didn't like that? What the hell that segway segue?
I'm gonna call it sequarter, but it's not a segwe
that we're allowed to tease that we're going across the seas.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yes, hello London, and is it Ireland?

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Ireland? And you're going to ban you now that you
said it like that? Uh, it was actually really good,
Oh because you live there, right, No.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
That was Scotland. Whatever, But that's where we're going, right,
It's it's London. A couple we have a couple shows
in England. This is the teas. It's very teasy because
we don't know what we're talking now. A couple of
shows in England, a show in Ireland.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
And a couple shows in Australia.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yes, and New Zealand. I mean we get to go
to New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
But yeah, we're kind of just like, we don't know
if we have any listeners there, but we just really
want to go to We want to see what it
looks like.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, that's going to be fun, so try to if
you're in New Zealand and you like this podcast, will
you get a couple of your friends to like it
so that we have at least fifty people at our show.
That's the dream.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
The dream is fifty.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
And if you need to bring farm animals or children,
that's fine. We just need to fill up whatever your
local church hall is. Please.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, yeah, So we're going across internacion. Ou We're we're
like Pitbull, We're becoming international.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Like summertime. We'll let you know.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, yeah, summer or fall or summer in the anyway,
you'll hear more about it, and it'll be this vague
when you hear about it again.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah, So don't don't expect to get tickets. What else? Anything?
You got any corrections. I feel like it's been so
long since we podcasted because we've been doing live shows.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yes, and it's my fault. I made the terrible mistake
of I forget that this is a weekly podcast we
have to do so Georgia. This was hilarious. I went
left to do a great comedy show with Julian McCullough
his podcast Julian Loves Music at a casino an hour

(13:39):
outside of Tulsa. We did a comedy show and his
live podcast, and while I was there, Georgia texted me, Hey,
so tomorrow, do you want to get together.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
And do and do do do?

Speaker 1 (13:47):
And I was like, I'm an Oklahoma I'm going to
be gone for the rest of the week and I'm
just permanently gone. And it was like that realization of like, oh, yeah,
I have to this happens every week. I need to
catch up with what the reality of my life is.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, it happened. Can't just leave, No, I can fuck
up and I can have an excuse and get out
of it. So I'm gonna fuck out bad. Yeah you
got you?

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Well you got a free one there a free yeah. Right,
as I'm about to go, like what the and then
You're gonna be like Tulsa Yeah, and I'll be like
we'll have a nice hand change.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, moving on. Yeah, Sorry I burnt down your house.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Look, I'm sorry that I love oursin Tulsa.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Do you go first to do it? I think we
should start over, because do you want to go first
or do you want me to go first? Well? I
went first last time, did you mm hm oh yeah?
With a live show?

Speaker 1 (14:39):
I mean, don't we have to follow just how we're
doing it as opposed to what airs.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
I think that's what we should do.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
It's for us and nobody cares.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Nobody cares, and I don't think we care that much.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Okay, great, No, wait now you're mad.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
No, I'm like, why do I care? Like, why have
I been?

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Well?

Speaker 2 (14:57):
It used to matter?

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Did it well?

Speaker 2 (14:59):
When we were like back to back? That's true? All right?

Speaker 1 (15:02):
It felt like so.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
I just finished listening to this book called The Devil
All the Time by Donald Ray Pollack, which is a
really fucking great book, a bunch of different stories of
other people and they're all, you know, intertwined somehow, which
I love. And this one had a husband wife murder team,
which I know we've talked about and neither of us
kind of are that interested in it or like that's

(15:24):
not our first pick, and it's it's so weird and creepy.
So I'm doing one.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Okay, you're going outside your comfort. Yeah, of cold cases
and yeah, lesser known cases, that's your passion.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
And unsolved familia side. I mean, that's your jam, that's
my jam.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
But now you're you're taking a stretch and speaking.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Of England again. Remember who keeps speaking of England?

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Uh, this is the Moors murders, okay, So nineteen sixty one,
eighteen year old typist Maira Hinley meets Ian Brady. Ian
was born in Glasgow and a slum, on January second,
nineteen thirty eight, to a single mother named Peggy. And
when he's four months old, she fucking advertises him for

(16:11):
adoption in a newsagent's shop window. Oh man, there's a
lot of words in here that I normally wouldn't use
in their English, like newsagents, like news agents and shop window.
And I'm sure it's advertisement, not advertised. Peggy visits him
at his foster family regularly until he becomes a teenager,
without letting him know that that's his mom. What I know,

(16:36):
But I guess his foster family is good, good, Yeah. So,
But he still has extreme temper tantrums and they end
with him banging his head on the floor, which has
got to be cool to see a toddler doing that.
And despite being exceptionally bright, he did poorly in school,
socially awkward, considered a quote sissy at sports, and and

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he's cruel to animals pretty quickly and it ranged from
quote stoning dogs, decapitating rabbits and I want to Nope,
I can't read that. It's about cat. He later tells Myra,
his later girlfriend, that he killed his first cat when

(17:20):
he was ten years old.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Okay, that was a brag for him. That's like first
date chit chat for him.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, it gets worse. At thirteen, Ian had his first
was charged with house breaking. House breaking. As a teenager,
he develops.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
He taught a whole house how to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Oh, no, stupid. As a teenager, he develops a fascination
with the writings of Nietzsche and with Nazism. Red flag.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
In nineteen fifty nine, he learns bookkeeping in prison, and
he gets a job as a stock clerk, and he's
buys his own audio recording equipment and he transfers Hitler's
speeches onto vinyl records.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Oh like as a pastime.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, huh, Yeah sounds fun.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
That's he sounds like a real a real hoot.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, go get her. Okay. And nineteen sixty one, a
new secretary starts at his work named Myra Hinley. On
their first date, Ian takes her to see a movie
about the Nuremberg Trials. So that's their first day. Jesus
not a not Nietzschee and Nazism, yeah, I mean yes, Nazism.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
So guys like, would you like to go to the
movies with me? And you're like, sure, that's cool. And
he's like kind of cute and has like fifties just
like back hair.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
He's older.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah. Yeah, he's like the cool guy at the office.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
He's got strong opinions, right, he's not like the boys
at school who don't like Nazism.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah, he's got his arm up in the air a lot,
just like what you're looking for. And then you meet
at the movie theater and it's the fucking Nurnberg Trials.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, super chill uh d D. After they start dating,
they read each other books about Nazi atrocities. On their
lunch break, Hindley, she starts to all to her appearance
to replicate the Aryan ideal, bleaching her hair blonde and
wearing red lipstick, and so Ian's really grooming her to

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become subservient. And they start discussing committing crimes together, like
robberies that would make them rich, but ultimately they decide
that murder was more their style, nice fun Ian outlines
a plan where Myra would wear a disguise, they'd abduct
a child and take it to the moors, where they
would rape and murder and bury it there, And in

(19:43):
nineteen sixty three they took their first victim.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Sorry, So in that discussion, it's hard enough to meet someone,
yeah that you really get along with?

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Hey, how many siblings do you have?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
I just have one older sister.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Do you want to murder children with me?

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Oh my god, I've been dreaming of that since I
was young.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Oh my god, how young?

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Since I was a child. Oh that's the what a risk?
That's all I'm saying, Is you really? I guess the
Nuremberg trials was really the test of like, is she
gonna go with this?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah? If you cry when a bunch of Nazis are
being hung hanged, probably both? Then you know that, right?
You know you found the one, You found the one.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Also, I have seen Myra Henley's mugshot. Yeah, as a
blonde with that lipstick on?

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, how do you feel about it?

Speaker 1 (20:32):
She was definitely a fall winter. Let's just say it
that way. She was.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Not a blonde.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
It's not complimentary to her face.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I mean, I had bleached blonde hair once and it
didn't look good and I knew it immediately. Yeah, And
I wouldn't have done it for a guy.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
What did you do?

Speaker 2 (20:52):
So I wouldn't have killed any.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Want children and children, children and the more so.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Okay, In nineteen sixty three into July, for the first victim,
Ian tells Meyer to drive her van around the area
local area while he follows behind in his motorcycle, and
when he sees a victim that he wants, he wants,
he's gonna flash his headlights at her, signaling her to
stop over and offer that person a ride. So they

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see a young girl walking towards them, and Ian signals
her to stop. She doesn't do until they pass her,
and Brady's like, what the fuck? And She's like, I
know that girl. I don't want to take her. So instead,
at eight pm, Ian spot's sixteen year old Pauline read
on her way to a dance. And Pauline is a

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neighbor of Henley's who's a friend of her younger sister Maureen,
so she was okay with getting into the van with Henley,
who then asked if she would mind helping to search
for an expensive glove she had lost on Saddleworth Moore,
on a tract of open wait on Saddleworth Moore. And

(21:58):
then I was like, you know what, But I didn't
know what a Moore was aside from photos nice, so
I thought I'd explain to people what it was. It's
basically just an open, big, open, uncultivated field like picture
where you know British people would go shooting and bury bodies. Yes,
it's like a rocky, hilly, open grasslandy situation for miles
and miles, miles and miles.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
So she wanted her to come find her glove with her,
and Pauline says she's in no hurry and agrees when
they get to the moor. Brady arrives shortly afterwards on
her motorcycle and Hinley introduces him to Read as her
boyfriend and that he'd also come to find the glove,
and then Henley claims that Brady took Reed into the

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more well, Henley just hung out in the van. After
about thirty minutes, Brady comes back alone and takes her
back to the spot where Reid lay dying. Her throat
had been cut with a large knife and the collar
of her coat had been pushed into the wound, which
sounds so horrific. He tells Henley to stay with Reed

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while he goes and gets a spade that he had
hidden nearby on a previous visit to bury the body.
So Henley notices that Pauline's coat is undone and her
clothes were in disarray, guessing that she had been sexually assaulted.
I mean she claimed she wasn't there witnessing it, but yeah,
fucking come on now, right and da da da da.

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But Henley later claims that she assisted him with a
sexual assault. As she turned. On that story, he says,
it's incorrect. Oh oh am I getting there? Namas wrong? Sorry,
that would be in character, got it?

Speaker 1 (23:41):
I see now, So basically she says I wasn't there,
and later on he's like, oh no, she was there
and help me out.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, got it? Okay, okay. Then on then the early
evening November twenty third, nineteen sixty three, she approaches Sorry,
Myra approaches a twelve year old boy named John Kilbride
at a market in Lancashire and offers him a lift home,
on the pretext that his parents would be worried about
him for being out. So late and offers him also

(24:09):
a bottle of sherry, and he is twelve years old,
is like hell yeah. But then they're like, well, we
have to go make a detour to collect it, and
that also we need help finding a glove and a more.
So he was like okay. And then when they get
to the moor, Brady takes the child and again Hindley
says she waits in the car while Brady sexually assaults

(24:30):
Kilbride and attempts to slit his throat with a six
inch serrated blade before fatally strangling him with a piece
of string.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
So this guy's just a fucking animal.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Animal, monster psychopath. Okay. Then in the early evening of
June sixteenth, nineteen sixty four, so this all happens within
a couple of years. Two years. Then, in the early
evening of June nineteen sixty four, twelve year old Keith
Bennett is on his way to his grandma's house in
Manchester when Hinley lures him into her mini pickup, which

(25:06):
Brady was sitting in the back of, asking if he'd
help load some boxes, and then she said she'd drive
him home afterwards. So she goes to the moor again,
and again those boxes out on the moor. Yeah, you
know I have to move.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
From the more.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Hey, little twelve year old kid, I need help carrying
some heavy shit and ding ding the ultimate red flag.
If she don't ask, adults will not ask you for help,
That's right, children.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yes, also, don't walk around your goddamn town by yourself
all the time.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
I mean, not that ever ever happens anymore. No never.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Thirty minutes later, Brady comes back alone, and when Hinley
supposedly asks how he had killed Bennett, he says that
he had sexually assaulted him and strangled him again with
a piece of string, and they buried him out on
the moor. On December twenty sixth, nineteen sixty four, Brady
and Hinley visit a fair ground in search of another victim,
and they noticed ten year old Leslie Anne Downey standing

(26:02):
beside one of the rides. When it becomes apparent that
she's alone, they approach her and deliberately drop something from
their shopping car close by her and ask her for
help carrying the packages to the car. What a sweet angel.
She's ten, and she's like, yes, I'll help you.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
She's at the carnival alone.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yes, I'm at a carnival alone and I'll help these
two adults. And they're like, this is why it's so
creepy is it's a man and a woman and in
your mind you're never you know, like if you were
hitchhiking and a couple stopped for you, a man and
a woman.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah you feel safe. Yes, that's right. It's the old
trick of having a woman there.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
It's so creepy.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
It's the worst. And also with little kids, it's so unfair.
It's just like it goes against everything your instincts would
tell you a huge trick.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Do you think that women it's more horrifying for women
to kill children than for men, Like it's I feel like,
is it?

Speaker 1 (26:53):
I feel equally horrified at every story that I hear
of people that think it's okay to kill children or
it like the need, the like a compulsion to kill children.
There's something just fucking end it, because there's something so
wrong with you.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
I feel like what horrifies me more than the compulsion
is the like is being okay with it. It's not
even like like she might not have had a compulsion
to kill children, but she went along with it. Anyways. Yeah,
so that to me is even more depraved because it's
not even this like addiction that you have.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
She was doing it for her fucking boyfriend totally, which
is the I mean, you've known people are like, now
I'm into swing dancing and you're like that's so lame,
but you never say anything, right, this is like she'll
get over it, just yeah, exactly, just like we'll wait
for this one to wind out and you'll hate him
in eight months or whatever. But now this is like,
it's very extreme.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
I bought a Espa for a boy when listen, I'm
not gonna lie. I mean I thought it look cute
and I liked it, but I got it so that
he would think I was cool. Yeah yeah, and I
hated it. I uh, what you do?

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Proudly, I can say that the first bad experience that
I had with a guy that was like that was
someone who was secretly born again Christian and then after
we got together, like unveiled that. Really he just wanted
me to say the seven magic words that would enable
me to go to heaven when I died.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
What are those magic words?

Speaker 1 (28:15):
I accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
You just said I'm oh, well, yeah, I'm in.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I was already in. Yeah, you know with the Catholic upbringing.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Was there like red flat, like like was there looking
back when you were dating like obvious things?

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Well, it was very short. So we were friends first,
everybody that I was. We had like the small group
of friends and all the girls were in love with him.
And then it was like he picked me, Oh my god,
and you're like, I'm so special exactly. And then like
a week later he was like, I just need you
to say these words and then come to my church
with me, and then I don't really want to date you,
but I need you go to this church.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
You get a gold star.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
It was yeah, seriously, it's like did you get some
kind of kickback for bringing me up down? And that's
when I was like, oh this is this is like
pathetically not anything it was now.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
But if you were like this fucking idiot, you would
have been a Christian exactly.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
So, but I feel like I learned early the worst
kind of most painful way of like oh, the ulterior
motive thing like the second comes out where it's even
now even if it's like do you like Star Wars,
I'm like goodbye, fucking tricked me?

Speaker 2 (29:19):
How dare you? Oh my god, you try to keep better.
You gotta like it all has to come out immediately
or else you don't trust them, right or I.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Just don't trust them anyway. Anyhow, We'll talk about how
I'm alone later.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Listen. I have all the trust issues in the world.
Don't even any who blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah carry some packages. Then they needed to help
carrying them into her house, into their house. So once
inside the house, this sweet little girl is undressed. This

(29:55):
is fucked up, undressed, gagged and forced to pose for
photos before being raped and killed. And Brady again states
that it was Henley who killed Leslianne Downey and I'm sorry.
Ian states that it's actually the Myra who killed Leslianne Downey,
but of course she says it wasn't that she was
running a bath for her and come back, came back

(30:17):
and she was dead, which is like fuck you.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
You know, here's the thing, whatever the truth really is,
it doesn't matter because at this point you could have
been sitting at home waiting for him to come back
from the moors. You are complicit, which means you might
as well have been standing next to him in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, and it's I mean, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
I now want to think the worst of you if
you are involved in.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
This at all. Yeah, it's not like it gets you
off the hook somehow, right. The next morning they take
her body to saddle Worth Moore and is buried in
a shallow brave Okay, so towards the end. We're getting
towards the end. On the evening of October sixth, nineteen
sixty five, they go to the Manchester Central Railway station

(31:02):
and Ian picks up a guy, a seventeen year old
guy named Edward Evans, and he introduces Myra as his sister.
They drive back home. They're drinking a bottle of wine
together and Ian sends Meyra to fetch her brother in law.
Fetch her brother in law. When they get back to

(31:22):
the house, Mayra tells her brother in law that to
wait outside. It's really weird. So basically, the brother in law,
who is Myra's sister's husband, is kind of a small
time crook, and the whole year Ian has kind of
been cultivating this friendship and like grooming him to help

(31:44):
him with his crimes, and it's said that David Smith
is in awe of Ian and basically they kill this
guy Ian Evans and try to get David Smith to
go along with it, although he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
He says to come back the next day to help
bury the body, and so sorry, he doesn't want to
be there for the murder. He's all good with the
burial though.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Well here's the thing, so he says he was in
the kitchen and didn't know what happened. But what comes
out of this either way is that when David Smith
gets home to my riss sister, he tells her what happens,
and they're both like, let's go call the fucking cops.
Oh good, yeah, Like can you imagine calling cops on
your sister like that?

Speaker 1 (32:28):
But also, was she always like this beast sister? I'm
sure right, yeah, because yeah, she must have been a
sociopath to me, just serial killing children.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
And she probably she probably suspects something is happening between them.
They're being weird and secretive, they're creepy Nazis. Nazis a
Nazi behavior yeah, never a good never a good sign. Never.
So they call the police from a nearby phone box
I'm not going to change him. I'm just gonna saying them.

(33:00):
But they bring a screwdriver and a knife just in
case Brady shows up.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Oh fuck you imagine the phone box, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
To the phone box creating that's scared that, like the
Boogeyman's just gonna be like, hey, yes, yes, I.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Mean once you realize that that's what's happening, Yeah, totally so.
But they don't even know that he's like they thought
maybe he just killed the dude that they were trying
to fuck.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Like, they don't even know that he's a child killer. Yeah,
Jesus Christ. Then, so on the morning the next morning,
Superintendent Bob Talbot of the Cheshire Police arrive at the
back door. He's wearing a borrow of Baker's overalls to
cover his uniform, so she'll open the door nice and
he says he's a police officer. Comes in and that
ian he's hanging out in the living room. He says

(33:44):
he's investigating an act of violence involving guns, and uh,
let's see. Looks around the house. There's a room that's locked.
He goes into the room and when they come back,
they say that they discovered a trust up body, and
that he was being arrested on suspicion of murder and
he's claiming it with self defense. They had gotten in

(34:05):
a fight.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Sorry, the trust up body is the seventeen year old.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah, and he's saying, we got in a fight and
it got out of hand.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
So we had to keep the body in a room, right,
and we were going to bury it. Jesus, Yeah, I
thought you were gonna say they found a room full.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Of gloves, right, hidden gloves that they had found just
stacked to the ceiling. Oh no. So Myra's not arrested
with Ian, but she's questioned and she refuses to make
any statement. She says it was an accident. They didn't
have any evidence that she's involved, So she goes home
and then Ian's charged with an accessory.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Oh no, No.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
The October eleventh, Myra's charged with an accessory to the
murder of the seventeen year old Ian i'v An Edwards.
And then they request a search of all Manchester's left
luggage offices for any suitcases that belonged to Anne Brady,
and on October fifteenth, they find a suitcase that belongs
to him, and inside were nine pornographic photos taken of

(34:58):
a young girl naked and was scarf tied around her mouth,
and a thirteen minute tape recording of her screaming and
pleading for help. And Anne Downey Leslie and Downey's mom
listens to the fucking tape. Can you fucking imagine.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
That's John Walsh action? Right? That's fucked up?

Speaker 2 (35:14):
What did he do? He looked at photos of bodies?

Speaker 1 (35:17):
No, he listened to an audio tape of a little
kid getting murdered to find out if it was Adam.
Adam right, his son was Adam, and it wasn't. So
he just, yeah, that's the worst thing of all time.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
I'm just nauseous thinking about that.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
That's horrible.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
So she says it's definitely her ten year old daughter,
and then the police are searching their house and find
an old school book that has John Kilbride's name in it,
the twelve year old who went missing. They also find
a large collection of photos in the house which seemed
to be taken on Saddleworth. More, so they fucking go

(35:55):
there and start searching them more, and on October sixteenth,
find an armbone sticking out of the peat that the
body that was the body of Leslie and Downey. Oh
you men, No, I'm not going armbone seking out of fat.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
It's you're just it's just a big, wide open field
of gray, low grass and brambles, I think, right, and
then you're just trying to walk it, and then there's
just an.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Arm and then armbone. Ooh. Another site on the opposite
side they found the badly decomposed body of John Kilbride,
and then the search is called off in November because
of the weather. So Brady's charge with the murder of
Evan Edwards seventeen year old John Kilbride and Leslie on Downey,
and Myra Henley with the murder of Evan Edwards and

(36:41):
Leslie on Downey. They plead not guilty to the charges.
Then on May six, deliberating for two hours, the jury
finds Brady guilty of all three murders and Henley guilty
of the murders of the two people. They Brady sentenced
to three life sentences and Henley was given two. On
February second, nineteen eighty sid and Mayra made a formal
confession to the police admitting her involvement in all five

(37:04):
murders wow. On July first, nineteen eighty seven, Reid's body
is discovered only one hundred yards from the place where
Leslie and Downey had been found. Keith Bennett's body has
still never been found, and his family continues to search
the more. On November fifteen, two thousand and two, at
age sixty, Myra died from bron bronchio pneumonia caused by

(37:29):
heart disease. And he's still not a fucking alive. Whoa
really almost positive? Wow?

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Oh sorry, that's crazy. You know, people have been asking
us to do these guys for a while.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I know, and I wouldn't have if I hadn't listened
to this book just because you know, yeah, but I
did it.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
It's so good. I mean, they're yeah, they're there's like
one of the earliest team creeps.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
I feel like back then it's so you know, you
have this small town and children and people are going missing,
and you just don't put it together because that didn't
happen back then, Whereas now it's like, he wouldn't be
like a twelve year old's gone they're a runaway, because
that just was unthinkable. And I think when you switch
between boys and girls, it's also like kind of a

(38:18):
way to throw off police.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yes, at ages it was like a twelve year old boy,
you know, sixteen year old girl. Like, it was kind
of all over the map in terms of probably how they.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Were thinking totally.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
And also just the fact that that one girl was
her little sister's friend is so fucking evil.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
It's crazy. It's just like, yeah, the trust aspect.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
And then also the other way of Mara, you're so
into your boyfriend that you are now like his right
hand man.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, which she argues is like, no, he had brainwashed
me and I was under his command and all this shit,
and he groomed me to be his, which is like maybe, yeah,
but only to an extent. I mean, yeah, that could
be true, but I don't think that that's an excuse
for what you did.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
It's you know, here's the thing, whether it's true or not,
you still did it totally. That's the problem.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
I mean, at any point you could have run away
and called the police.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah, Because did she aside from brainwashing, did she claim
he was abusive or anything. It sounds like they were like,
we're stoked Nazis that are.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Of that of being abusive. And I bet that if
she hadn't died, she would have been let out of
prison at some point.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, because she was so old.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, because yeah, because yeah, I wish she would have.
That's like the.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Paul Bernardo and Carla Hamlk. She got out of prison.
She's out of prisoned now.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
I bet she would have gotten out.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, I bet she would have. It's so creepy, so
crazy cool.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
So that is the more murders.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
They are what last Podcast on the Left calls heavy hitters.
They're like famous, big famous ones.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Good.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Mine is the opposite of that. Mine is I want
a Georgia hardstock style and hard stock no stark, stark.
But my mouth did a weird thing at the end,
which it does sometimes.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
It's my new thing.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Sorry, I sound like I'm slurring, But I have been
sober for quite some time, or at least I should
specify don't drink. There's some people who are like, your
sobriety means a lot to me, And then I'm like, well,
I stopped drinking in nineteen ninety seven, but I am
definitely on meth. Just keep it in mind, everybody. Okay,

(40:41):
So when we were in Portland, I did the thing
that you were just talking about, where we had three shows.
We had three murders. I only learned that we had
a third show, or at least was reminded we had
a third show. Like the night the day of the
first day I was there, Stephen texted me and he
was like, I said, so I'm gonna do this and
I'm going to do this, and he goes, okay, and

(41:01):
what's your third one? I was and I just wrote back, no, no, no,
on Saturday, no Friday, okay, yeah, oh my god, or
maybe it was Thursday. It was late for me because
I was like, are you kidding me? I have to
do a whole nother one.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah. No, that's like, man, we need you and I
I'm not saying you. I'm not saying we need to
get our shit together with traveling because there has not
been a fucking day when we're traveling that I am
not scrambling. Yes, what is it about us? We just
I think you and I both just work better when
we're under pressure.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
That's usual.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Most writers are like that and are and are so
scared of failing and dread work so much that you
put it off to the last minute.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Well, because and I will say this for myself, typing
is not writing. So when you write for things like this,
it is reading and kind of processing and figuring out
a way you're going to tell a story. Right. The
problem is that if you do it last minute, you're
then you're just reading. You're reading something you cut and pace,
as opposed to telling a good story, and there's no

(42:00):
personality in it exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
And so but I'm weird. I'm like, but not sorry. Whatever. No, No,
when I get it, when I sit down and start
working on the story that I like, I'm so happy
and I'm so stoked and it's like my favorite part
of the week. Yes, but getting to that spot is
so fucking hard for me.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
It's the bridge, it's the bridge to doing it. That's
the hardest. Yeah, that's when I start doing a lot
of laundry. I start wiping down surfaces that already clean
I have.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
I don't do anything.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Oh, sit there frozen. Yes, okay, So here's the thing.
In my panic of going third murder, I start working
on this fucking guy. But he killed so many people
across the nation that he didn't feel like a Portland
killer to me, and I was very angry at him.

(42:47):
But luckily he's still there for me because the second
we bet we get back. We have to record again,
And so I was like, well, I'm gonna go back.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
He supports you.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
That's right, Earl Leonard Nelson, the gorilla Killer. Have you
ever heard of? All? Right?

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Does he kill gorilla? No? The dumbest show worth?

Speaker 1 (43:05):
No, No, no, it's the dumbest name.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
What a bummer?

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Was He like? Oh man, oh that's so insulting. Well,
I've read so this is one of those ones I
should say. Murder Pedia is one of my favorite websites.
It is an aggregate site where they just they bring
you all the articles and anything written about the killer
you've looked up.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
It's not like Wikipedia, where it's like here is this
paragraph by paragraph of what happened. It's like, here's an
article from two thousand and six, here's one from nineteen
sixty seven. Yes, it's the best, but.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
You also then in reading all the articles about the
one person, realize how this guy it was like. He
was called the gorilla killer because of his features. He
was called the gorilla killer because he used to walk
on his hands. He was called the gorilla killer because
it took so much strength to kill these women, and
he rarely used a weapon. He killed them with his hands.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Whatever. Yeah, it's that kind of situation.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
But still, all that being said, murder Pede works like Wikipedia,
So if you use it or like it, I recommend
you give him five bucks because I want it to
exist always, because it's such a great sight for research.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
For this.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
It makes my life so much easier. Earl Nelson, the
gorilla Killer, not like that. When you think of crimes
that they really.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Ask Karen, which I do all the time.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
You think the Lindberg baby kidnapping and murder, you think
al Capone and eliot ness and the mafia crimes, the
prohibition oops, you think of Leopold and Loebe. But meanwhile,
while all of those things are happening, the first known
American serial sex killer was on a rampage and nobody

(44:47):
knows about it, or few people do. The Bay area newspapers,
because he started in the San Francisco Bay area, called
him the dark strangler because of his ability. Yeah, I know, right,
He could slip in and out of these houses without
being seen, sometimes in broad daylight. And later on he

(45:07):
was called the gorilla killer because he murdered women with
his bare hands. But it turns out he was just plain,
old psychotic Earl Leonard Nelson. So, Earl Nelson's mother and
father both died of syphilis before he reached the age
of two.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, that's a rough start.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
That's just your kickoff.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
That's just downhill. Yeah, that's like the bottom of the hill.
And then you keep on going.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
You then you're down in the sewer area.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
You're like, I'm at the bottom.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Both of my parents don't have noses. So he sent
to San Francisco to be raised by his maternal grandmother,
who is a devout Pentecostal.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
So he's got a fun and damaging.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Childhood from a bible thumping old lady grandmother. He was
said that, it said he was already a quiet, morbid
kid with a violent temper. But then and he was
expelled from school at age seven for being incorrigible.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Age seven, it's cute corrigible. What's his name again, earl? Earl?
You're incorrigible, earl.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
But he then, at age ten, is hit by a
streetcar while riding his bicycle. He has a head injury.
He's in a coma for six days, and when he
wakes up, his behavior becomes even more erratic. Uh, he
begins suffering from frequent headaches, memory loss, and eventually migraine.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Oh Jesus, so.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Now his moody and ang His moody angry periods are
broken up by periods of mania in which he takes
to walking on his hands or lifting heavy chairs with
his teeth.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Can you imagine we saw an eleven year old drifting
the chair with his teeth.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
At eleven year old, were you like, or please put
that down, earl? Sit down, eat your dinner, eat peanut
butter salwich. You don't need to do that with the
chair anymore. This is also back when everything was made
of solid wood. It's a fucking oak chair. He's picking
it up with his teeth because he's like, I gotta
get this out of it. Oh god, Okay. So it's

(47:21):
quoted as saying this is my favorite quote on mur
Murdererpedia about him as a young man. Nelson was a
day dreamer and a compulsive masturbator.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
You have to pick one of those. You can't be both.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
I think they go together nicely because it's like whistling
handsome pocket.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
What is the nightmare equivalent of a day dream? A
chronic masturbator?

Speaker 1 (47:45):
We both had the answer. Also, eighty percent of most
serial killers are chronic masturbators as children. That's one of those.
That's one of those. Harald Scheckter lookout for this red
flag things as a team. He was a regular at
the bars and brothels at the Barbary Coast, which was
like the red light district of turn of the century

(48:07):
San Francisco. When he was eighteen, he broke into a
cabin that he thought was abandoned, and he was arrested
and spent two years in San Quentin for it.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Can you imagine make a teenager in San Quentin?

Speaker 1 (48:18):
I bet it wasn't that cool now, So he enlistened
in the Navy. He gets kicked out for behaving oddly
and erratically. He actually was, he was because it was
World War One. He enlisted in and got kicked out
of the military four times, holy shit. And he just
kept signing up under a different name, and they would
take him because it was like active duty. They needed people.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
And he's like, you're too crazy to go to the
front line.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, we're we're getting our asses kicked over like over there,
and you still can't come. Yeah, and just be a
bullet catcher. So this the last time he was in
he was in the Navy and he got kicked out
because he refused to do anything. But Lyon is caught
and rant about the Great Beast of Revelation. So he

(49:05):
was just a crazy Bible thumper and he ends up.
Oh I said, he refused to do anything, but lion
is caught and rant about the Great Beast of Revelation
aka dreamsturbating.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Dreamsturbating, that's what it is. That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
So they commit him to nap a State hospital, which
was a very famous mental insane asylum in northern California.
It was there that it was discovered he had both
gonerhea and cephalis.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Oh my fucking god. Yeah, dude, you I mean this
isn't your brain has no chance at this point getting
hit by a fucking car. You probably got more born
with syphilis. Yeah, these things eat your brain. His brain
was just never not inflamed. That's what those feel bad
for this guy, Yea tew I probably find out what
he does.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yeah, you won't feel bad later, but you can definitely
feel bad for ten year old Yearel because he did
not have it good. He there's a reason he was
picking up chairs with his teeth. So he managed to
escape three times from Napa State Hospital before the staff
just stopped trying to find him, which is the opposite

(50:12):
of the three strikes law. So he goes back. After
the third time he escapes, he goes back lives with
his aunt again in San Francisco. His aunt gets him
a job as a janitor at Saint Mary's Hospital. Saint
Mary's Hospital is where my aunt Mary works. Full circle,
Oh my god, he's your brother the end.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
So there at Saint Mary's Hospital, he meets and marries
fifty eight year old spinster Mary Martin. He's twenty four.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Ooh Mary, uh huh.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
She's very shy and recluses and he and obviously an
old maid. Here comes earl. Fifty eight year olds old.
She's an old maid. Well, I mean fifty eight. Sorry,
as a forty seven year old, I'm gonna say.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah, maybe she's single as fut maybe she's not all
you know what I mean. I don't know. Well.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Also, this was back when you were supposed to get
married when you were fourteen, right, and have six kids
by the time you were twenty, right, So she was
way out of the window possibility just kind of standing
around Saint Mary's Hospital, staring out the window, pulling her
sweater across.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Waiting for a twenty four year old psychopath to save her.
And then he shows nacams there.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
He is Earl. So he turns out she's very shy
and reclusive. He makes her life a living hell. He
is insanely jealous, He refuses to bathe. He has terrible
manners and an insatiable sex drive.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
What was their date there? Like dating life? Like the
two of them.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
I think they whatever the equivalent of the Trials of Nuremberg.
They went to see that every fucking weekend, right right. Also,
Earl has terrible migraine attacks that sometimes leave him unable
to walk, and one time, during one of those attacks,
he falls from a ladder at work and hits his head.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Fuck, come on, double head trauma. They don't cancel each
other out.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Now, he's really nice. That would be amazing. He not
got knocked back into place, and no, oh no, And
he just started working for Habitat for Humanity. Just he
was like the chillest bro at the beach.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
After that, that's the end of the story. And then
she went on to kill people, right oh, I just.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Really quickly have to say, total sidebar, but talking about
Chillbros at the beach. So Rizahmed of course is on
my DVR recording, and so I finally brought myself to
watch the episode of Girls that he's in. Did you
watch it?

Speaker 2 (52:41):
I'm I love the show. I'm caught out. Okay, he's
in two episodes?

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Yes, yeah, him lean it down, his character getting together.
I'm just I. All I have to say is I'm
really mad. What I'm really fucking? First of all, why
like she's because she wanted to make it.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Lena Dunham wanted to fucking make out with Rizzo men.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Yeah, she made it happen. She was just like a
NonStop power eye contact and.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Maybe less attracted to him because I don't like scrawny
guys huh and he's scrawny.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
It made me love him ten times more than I
already did, because I was like, it was like as
if that was not a TV show, and I was like,
why would you pick her? Why didn't you pick me?
I wasn't at that beach or that beach party. I
didn't see you rapping. I wasn't there to make it happen.
And if I were there, I would have never been
anywhere near you, not have talked to you.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
You wouldn't have the balls to be like that guy
is gonna want to fuck me, I'm gonna go talk
to him.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
That's right, I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Well, that's what I love. I mean, fuck, I love
that about her. I do too. Was never even a
question about him wanting.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
To fuck her, like I know, it's just like this
is happening and making it happen. This is the guy
that's gonna fuck me now, which actually does happen often. Yeah,
but the thing I agree with all of that, but
I was just like, oh, he's too scrawny. Fuck you.
I'm now I'm out at you and her, all right.
I should have never gone into that area. But it
hurt me deeply, and I was surprised because I was like, what,

(54:07):
I don't give a shit, and I knew what the
plot was.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
It was such a stupid stoner.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
It was so great, I know, but I love that anyway. Okay, listen,
here's what I'm telling you. He fucking falls off a
ladder because of a migraine double down head trauma. Oh.
He leaves the hospital after two days because he won't
stay there anymore, head wrapped in bandages. So he's just
running around on the street like a lunatic with a head.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Wound, like fucking Frankenstein.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Yes, and he goes back home. Now he's more paranoid
and violent. With his wife.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
She's like a fuck.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Yeah, She's like, this was already weird. I already doubted it,
but I did it anyway. Now you're now I can't
talk to my own brother without you freaking out like
she He would literally get jealous if she talked to
her brother. And she's sixty. So one of the articles
I read said that she a nervous breakdown because of him.

(55:01):
But they're just one either way. She divorces him within
six months of them being married, and oh booh, and
I wrote, although I like that he was way into
older ladies. It gives me hope. Oh my god, sometimes I.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Have fun as I write these things. All Right, so
they're gonna get a sweet young thing like Rizamed, that's right,
but not in his twenties. Doesn't pict suit up with
his teeth? No, I thought you were trained. Yeah. Definitely
a stoner, yes, someone chill.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
With eyes that take up two thirds of his head anyhow,
In nineteen twenty one, he turns from burglary to sex crimes.
He attempts to molest twelve year old Mary Nelson after
seeing her playing in her basement and then deciding to
pose as the gas man. So he sees a little
girl playing in a basement, knocks on the door, says

(55:53):
he's from the gas company. Her older brother, who's like
in his early twenties, I think, lets him in. He
goes straight down to the basement and immediately attacks her.
She fights him off, screaming. The brother hears, runs downstairs,
goes to fight him. He like scarms past. The brother
runs outside. The brother follows him, runs after. They fight
in the street, and then Earl punches this kid in

(56:16):
the head and gets away.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Oh no head injury, new head injury.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Two hours later, Earl is picked up riding a trolley car.
He's just like around, He's in the neighborhood, some sight
saying yeah. He's like, where's that super crooked street I've
heard so much about That night in jail, he plucks
out all of his eyebrows.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
With his fingernails.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
WHOA, yes, so he's already a creep now he.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Has no eyebrows.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Yeah, he's recommitted back to nap Estate Hospital and stays
there for four years. So then he's released, And then
I wrote what do you think happens next? A? He
gets a job as an accountant, lives a productive life,
molestation free life. B He dreams to rates his way
into an early grave. Or see the killings begin. Oh,

(57:06):
I'm gona go with see yeah, the killings begin in
nineteen twenty six. So on February twentieth, sixty year old
Clara Newman answers the front door to a man inquiring
about her rooms to let sign in her front window.
The man tells her his name is Virgil Wilson. He's
carrying a Warren Bible and he's very polite. Clara brings
him up to the room she's renting, and there he

(57:29):
turns from kindy, kindly Bible lover to pure animal and
strangles her to death. He rapes her dead body, leaves
her dress bunched up around her waist, and leaves on
his way out. Clara's nephew sees the man in the
front hall. He asks what the man is doing there,
and the man says, tell your aunt, I want to
rent the room. I'll be back in an hour. So

(57:51):
the nephew goes back to his books and they don't
discover the body until in the attic room until that night.
Oh my god. Two weeks later, he kills Laura Bale
in San Jose in the exact same way.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
She is a landlady that's renting out a room.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
He comes holding a bible seems so easy, yes, and
being like, I'm interested in your room. This time the differences.
He uses a belt to strangle her to death and
she's found in the rental room naked from the waist down.
So then three months pass and then Earl's cross country

(58:27):
killing spree starts. So he basically does the exact same
thing over and over, like he'll kill a woman who's
who's letting a room, and then he like either stays
in the city and does it again, or he jumps
on a train and does it in a different city.
So he does it everywhere. So on June tenth, he
kills Lily and Saint Mary, who is sixty three years

(58:49):
old in San Francisco. On June twenty fourth, he kills
Anna Russell, who's fifty eight in Santa Barbara. Then he
goes back up to Oakland and he kills Mary Nesbit
on August sixteenth. On October nineteenth, nineteen twenty six, this
is all nineteen twenty six, he kills Beatrice Withers in Portland.

(59:11):
She's only thirty five and her body was stuffed into
a trunk. Then the next day he kills Virginia Grant,
who's fifty nine in Portland. Her body is stuffed behind
the furnace in her basement. On October twenty first, the
day after that, in Portland, he kills Mabel Fluke, and
she's hidden in the attic, in the crawl space in

(59:33):
the attic.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
What'd you say, Jesus?

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Oh? Oh sorry, I though you're asking a question. On
November fifteenth, he kills Blanchemeiers, who's forty eight years old
in Oregon City. November eighteenth, Wilhelmina Edmunds fifty six, back
down in San Francisco, then back up in Seattle. On
November twenty fourth, he kills Flores Monks, and then the

(59:56):
next day, oh no, sorry. A month later he kills
Elizabeth Beard in Council Bluffs, so he's clearly hopped a train.
Then he's in Kansas, City on later in December, but
somewhere between December twenty third and twenty eighth, he kills
Bonnie Pace in Kansas City.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Jesus fucking Christ yeap.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
On December twenty eighth, he in Kansas City he kills
twenty eight year old Germania Harpin and her eight month
old baby.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
He's on a serious fucking spree. Then he goes quiet
for months, and then on April twenty seventh of nineteen
twenty seven, in Philadelphia, which is where he was from
originally where his parents, the Cephalatic super Couple.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Are there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
From Philadelphia, he goes back there and kills Mary McConnell,
she's sixty years old.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Then he.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Gets somehow to Buffalo and on May thirtieth he kills
Jenny Randolph, who's thirty five. Then he goes to Detroit
she Jesus, and on June first, nineteen twenty seven, he
kills Minnie May and a lodger in that same house,
missus Antwerp.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
They don't know how old she is, but she sounds
old to me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
And two days later in Chicago, he kills Mary Sistema
Cessima Sorry, who's twenty seven years old, so by this
time he knows the cops are after him. They are
he's I mean, he's just on like a killings.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Breeze, and they know it's one dude doing all of this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Yes, and the people because these are a lot of
these are boarding houses where there's other eyewitnesses in the boardinghouse,
not just the lady who shows him the room. Sure,
So he crosses the border up into Winnipeg to get
away from the cops, and he rents a room there
on June eighth.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Birthday, What my birthday? Oh I did that at the
live show too. I can't help it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
It's the best. How can you not? He actually was
born I completely relate because Earl was born on May
twelfth and I was born on May eleventh, so it's like, oh,
day after but then yeah, it's him, all right. So
he crosses the border into Winnipeg, rents a room, and
on June eighth, he strangles fourteen year old Lola Callan,

(01:02:23):
who is selling paper flowers door to door to help
her her very impoverished family. He stuffs her body under
the bed, leaves that boarding house, and the next day
he's wandering around the same neighborhood in Winnipeg, and he
sees Emily Patterson, who's thirty five, cleaning her house, and

(01:02:44):
he somehow gets himself inside her house.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
He strangles, he strangles.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Her to death, rapes and mutilates her dead body, and
stuffs her under the bed and leaves without being seen.
So she's reported missing by her husband. And that night,
when her husband goes to go to sleep, he kneels
down next to the bed to pray for strength and
to pray to find his wife. And when he goes

(01:03:12):
to stand up, his leg catches the bedspread and he
looks down and sees his wife's woolf sweater sticking out
from underneath the bed. So he reaches underneath it and
touches the dead body of his dead, mutilated wife. Oh
my god, if I didn't say dead so many times,
that would have been a really well told kind of

(01:03:33):
build up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Well that's this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
I mean, that is not who we really are, deep
down dead dead dead. So by the time mister Patterson
calls the police and says that he has found his wife,
the body of Lola Cowan has also been found. And
the same morning of missus Patterson's murder, Earl left the

(01:03:57):
house went down, sold his clothes at a second hand store,
took the money that he got for those clothes, and
goes down to a barber to get a shave, And
when he sat in the chair, the barber had noticed
that Earl had blood in his hair. So when the
story of these murders comes out, the barber goes to
the police and tells the story, gives the description, as

(01:04:20):
does all of the people that live in the boarding
house where Lola Cowan's body was found, because there's all
kinds of people that saw that guy who stayed in
that room. So at this point between the barber's description
the eyewitness accounts from the other boarding house, Earl Nelson's
likeness is distributed across every province and border town in Canada.

(01:04:42):
And there's a fifteen hundred dollars reward posted for his capture.
And Earl is arrested hopping onto a train.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
So here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
He is a master escape artist. So once again he
escapes from jail. Yes, he can pick any So they
had taken his shoes, socks, and belt when they put
him into the jail cell, so he escapes with none
of those things. And that night he finds a barn.
He hides in the barn, and in this barn he
finds an old, moth eaten sweater and a pair of

(01:05:14):
ice skates. So he pulls the blades off the ice
skates and makes the ice skates into shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Oh my, he does know shoes. You love it?

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
I fucking love it? So because he's crazy, So then
he goes the next morning, he leaves that barn and
just goes fucking walking out and he ends up bubbing
a cigarette from a guy and chatting with him for
a while because he doesn't think he can get caught
because he's now been murdering women for a fucking year straight.
And he's standing around smoking and chatting in ice skates shoes,

(01:05:49):
and the guy's like, what up crazy and calls the cop.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Yeah, can you just what if someone you knew just
showed up in ice skate shoes party?

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Also where it was like he pulls the blades out,
so was he walking on still? Was there like that
one rim down at the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
And there were not There's no way there were his size? Yeah, Like,
what are the chances of finding like a size ten
fucking ice skateing his shoes?

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Perfect ice skate shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
No, just toge, I just want to picture a friend
clomping over.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
He's just he's he's like he's walking down a gravel
road in ice skates shoes. Perfect, Earl, you fucking idiot,
all right, become an.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Accountant, you dumbas dumb ass.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
So um so that this smoking guy, of course alerts
the authorities. Earl's recaptured, He's taken back into custody.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
He's tried.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Uh, he's, after less than an hour of deliberation, convicted
of Emily Patterson and Lola Cowan's murders, and he's sentenced
to hang in Winnipeg on January thirteenth, nineteen twenty eight.
One report said he struggled for eleven minutes before he
died with that hanging, but then then other said he
died instantaneously, and then made a very specific note of saying,

(01:07:04):
how how why people would die take too long to
die if the rope was too short.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
I think they would do that a lot for people
they wanted to suffer, because what you want to happen
when you hang someone is for their neck to break. Yeah,
but if you it's too short, right and they fall,
their neck doesn't break. They just slowly fucking choke today.
Yeah sounds horrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Yeah, either way, or if it's too long, it's They're like,
the snap doesn't happen, right, you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Know, if something happens, then this happens, and if another.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
And there's a choice you can make as the rope length.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Decided, you're not business, not your first day.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Yeah. And this guy, by the time they catch him
and know who he is and what his history is,
the Dark Strangler Gorilla Killer is they're like, I don't know,
maybe make that thing seven feet long.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
You know, they did that in Nuremberg when they killed
a bunch of the x Nazis.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
They made they gave him the long rope special.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Gave some of them. They purposely gave some, you know,
fifteen minutes of choking to death. Oh yeah, I mean
I watched Anerrenberg.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
These two and on your your Vince's first date, first date,
I knew it. I knew you too, were no good.
Earl is suspected of more murders that didn't fit the
Gorilla Killer Dark Strangler m O because of those two
cooling off periods. So after his first two murders, there
were three months before that' spree started, and they think

(01:08:36):
that he killed other women, just not either not old
or not landladies or not strangled.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
I'm drying to know what he looks like, what you
personality was like. He's he he's stupid. He must have
been stupid because he had his head a couple.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Of times, right, I mean, I don't. They just said
he was scary. His family members were scared of him,
and that that aunt that he would go back and
live with. They were like, they said, he was like
a big kid, and he was a big violent kid,
so he kind of couldn't be reasoned with, yea, so
they just did whatever he wanted and hoped he would
leave Jesus, was what the ant said. So the family

(01:09:13):
was just totally scared of him. So apparently he was
just super violent and weird as fuck. And there was
actually a really good story of the ant that time.
When he got out of jail, escaped from Napa State
Mental Hospital, he showed up at her window one night
as it was raining now, and she said he turned

(01:09:34):
she turned around and saw she said, his eyes were black,
and he had a really weird hat on, and he
was just staring through the window in the rain, and
it scared the living shit out of her. So she
let him in, but she basically convinced him, you better
leave because they're going to come here first to look
for you. And she just got him to leave as
soon as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Can you imagine like it scared her, and then even
when she realized she knew it was, she was still
scared of of her fucking mind. It's like, oh, okay,
it's just you. Yeah, and it's like, oh fuck, it's you. Yeah,
oh okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
So he's could possibly I think they said between twenty
and twenty six confirmed victims, but they think there could
be many more because he was also all across the
nation and up into Canada. And Harold Scheckter, who's wrote
written so many great true crime books, there's a book
he wrote called Bestial that he where he talks about

(01:10:28):
Earl Wow, Earl Leonard Nelson, the gorilla killer.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Amazing. I've never fucking heard of that me either, And
that's huge. Yeah, the first sexual serial killer.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Yeah, I mean in America, right, Okay, is just because
I thought the same thing where there was that guy
Peter Curtin in Germany. There's a couple other ones, but
this guy was like the first one they think they.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Know of in America.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
That's a lot of fucking people, Yeah, dude, a lot
of old ladies just trying to rent a room.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Oh man, h well, thank you, no, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Should we say a thing we like? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Let me think if I have anything.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Didn't you say you were watching a show you really like?

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Yeah, but I can't find the name of it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Was it fiction or non fiction?

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
It was nonfiction. It was like different kind of deaths.
It's really cool, but I can't remember. I'll find out
for next week. Okay, what about you. You say something
and I'll think of something.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Oh okay, fuck, well, I'll say this. When we were
in Portland, I got to hang out with my friend Stacy,
who you met and who was the greatest. She runs
a place called Curious Comedy Theater in Portland. If you
live there, they have improv shows there, they have stand

(01:11:50):
up shows there. Lots of cool stand ups perform there.
I think Ron Lynch is going to be their next
She books really awesome people, and we just had a
really great time hanging out and it made my visit
in Portland. It's just nice to have friends and that
and Stacy and my friend Jason Lopez, who I have

(01:12:10):
known since I was twenty. We used to work at
the Gap together. We see it was cool in the
castro together. He's one of my oldest friends and he
was there both nights.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Actually I love that. Well, I can't, Okay, Well, I
guess mine is similar in that, like, this is the
first time Vince came with me on a weekend tour,
and it was just like it just meant so much
to me to have him there and have his support
and just like hang out with him and fuck, man,
I'm so I am just blown away by him and

(01:12:41):
I just want him to come with us all the time,
and he has to come with us. It was so
great and I just love having him around. I do
too my husband. I probably should, but that it was
a really awesome experience having him there. And you know
how much fucking traveling anxiety I have and how much
I hate leaving the house and how scared I get
and how worried I get, and having him there just
kind of alleviated all of it, except missing the cats,

(01:13:04):
But it alleviated all of it, and it made it
such a fun time for me Instead of like an anxious,
scary time. Yeah, you were free to kind of just
have your fun and do it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Yeah, instead of I think. I mean, it's not like
you seemed insanely different than any other time. But but
it is nice to know that then you don't have
all those worries on your shoulders.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
You can just kind of have fun. Yeah, it was nice.
I mean, yes, I'm codependent, but so what it works
for me? Lots people are also. That's not codependent.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
You just have a great husband that you're grateful for.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
My therapist says, it's not codependency, it's interdependency, and if
it works for you, it's fine. I like interdependency. Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
I want to slice of inderdependency.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Interdependency is good.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
Yeah, it's it's lovely. And he's I mean, he's the best,
he really is. Yeah, he's I feel similar to him
that you do.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Not. I might as well tell you. Now, you guys
get along so well. It's cool to go in the
other room and to get ready and hear you guys
cracking up. But yes, I did it well.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Also, he just knows his shit too. He's has so
much experience in performing, he has experienced in merch sales
experience and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
He's smart. Vince abral he's the He's got a podcast
called We Watch Wrestling.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Yeah, I get into it. If you wrestling or want
to yay yay, Kathy, that's a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Other people. Hey, Yeah, we like people.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
And thank you to everyone who came to those Portland shows.
We had such a great time. We got so many
good presents. Thank you for coming to say hi. After
Could we say that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Someone made a catnip toys of fucking a bunch of
serial killers. Yes, and they're incredible and put them on
our Instagram And I'm not giving them to the cats
because they're just so fucking cool. Yeah, those are keepers
can't get. Yeah, they're incredible. I think that it's not
the same person.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
But I also got a couple of dog toys that
were they were slip little mini slippers, a neon green
Minnie slipper and a hot pink and George and Frank
have already destroyed both of them. They were very excited
to get them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Yeah, I love it. I am. Oh, you guys are
the greatest. Yes, thank you so much. Thank you so
much for listening and everything. And you're the best. And
stay sexy and don't get murdered.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Bye.