July 17, 2024 • 42 mins
It’s time to Rewind with Karen & Georgia!
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Hello, guys, this is Rewind with Karen and Georgia. We
are it's a little something new for all the Murderinos
out there. It's a little look back onto our past.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We're going back to our first episodes and we're going
to add in all new commentary to our favorite moments
from the episode. Also our corrections, corners, case updates, just
a lot of shit talking. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Basically, we've been doing this so long that it's fun
to look back at how different we were. At the
very beginning, we were very different. We were very ignorant,
and we have learned a lot along the way. We
were green, right, And there's people who say this podcast
has been going on so long that they it's too
(01:03):
late for them to get into it. We're here to
say that's not true.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
That's right. So now you can invite your doula or
your creepy cousin, your tattooist to listen along with you
and to you know, get a feel for the beginning
so that they can catch up.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I mean, no, everybody can be a day one listener,
that's right. So right now we're going to take you back.
We're going to rewind it all the way back to
January twenty second, twenty sixteen. We're in George's apartment. We're podcasting.
There's no research, there's no document, there's no sources. No
one's written anything on a piece of paper.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
There's gigglings during a horrible talk, which we don't do anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, so there's a lot of there's a lot of
early days behavior.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, pulled on to your butts. Here's episode two.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Enjoy.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Hey, welcome to my favorite murder. Hey.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I'm Karen, I'm Georgia, and we love murder.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
We love murder. We don't want to get murdered. We
love true crime. We live true crime.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
We love to talk about bad things that have happened
yep to good people.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yep. Hopefully they won't happen to us if we talk
about it enough.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It's as if we could ward it off with just
our with our positive verbal.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Energies and our anxiety over getting murdered.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Because sometimes when you share an anxiety, it alleviates it
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, I think it also lessens the chance of it happening.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
That's right, We're really we're changing the future with our words.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Georgia was very harsh with me when I arrived at
her apartment. She said, have you been watching that? And
I said, don't talk about it?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Have you been watching I barely had the word watching
out and she screamed don't talk about it, but didn't
explain that she wanted to save it for the podcast.
It was as if this was a forbidden SS.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Like I literally was like, never talk about it, like
how I am with Sex and the City. Don't talk
about it in front of me. Oh, you don't want
a spoiler?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Is that why?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Ever? In my life?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I want to keep that pure for the rest of
my days.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
You never know one you've never done one episode I saw.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Part of once when they went to LA and it
was it really depressed me.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Fair enough, Okay, let's talk about it. Okay, I meant,
I meant save it for the show. Okay, this is
the show. Okay, there's I just started watching it yesterday,
same with me. What episode are you on?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Uh? Two?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Okay, this is fun because I'm on like it? We
just finished three?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Okay. The show we're talking about is Making of a Murder,
Making a murderer, Making a Murderer on Netflix. It's like
Think the Jinks, but fucking better. Yeah. Do you love it?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
It's amazing. But what I think is amazing is we
are truly now in this era where everyone's life has
been recorded in some way because there is so much
footage of that guy, so much, so much footage, and
you realize it's because that's how everything works these days.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
But he was also in the news like for the
past eighteen years. Yes, So the story is. And it's
really funny because this story there's two separate stories here,
one of which the murder. I already knew about so
as soon, and I didn't realize that that's what was
going on until they started talking about the murder. So
the first episode, which I thought was a standalone thing.
I thought they were just going to talk about like
(04:21):
people who got exonerated. Oh, the first episode is the
story of this guy, Stephen Avery. Getting spoilers sprightly, Yeah,
but you're going to see the first episode. It's fine.
He gets exonerated for rape after eighteen years in prison and.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Kind of finding out that he's been railroaded by his
own cousin and the people that live in his community.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's one of those like it's like the West Memphis
three where it's like how the fuck did this get
as far as it did. Yeah, one of those like
these guys clearly a huge miscarriage of justice. This is terrifying.
We could go to prison at any moment for anything.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, well yes, because it's that freaky thing of like
as you pull back and realize this is happening all
over the country, all over the world, where people in power,
it's an abusive power and people just doing whatever they
want to do. Totally, there's these amazing interviews.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
God, all the depositions. There's like hundreds of hours of deposition.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
And it's these people that I swear to God, if
it was a sketch show, you'd be like, that guy's
too broad, totally, like the the neely mouthed district attorney
guy with the little glasses and the kind of perfectly
balding head that was.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Like, they are so depressing like this. They are the
reasons I point to all of them that I never
want to work in an office job again if I
can save myself, because those are the people you work
with and you fucking hate them.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And more more so for me is watching people lie.
It's so fascinating because you can smell a lie. It
doesn't matter how you think you might be good at
it or not.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
How do people know you're lying? I think you are.
Everyone knows you're lying.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
And that one sheriff who is kind of big with
the mustache that ye had drawing You.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Did a drawing and got them framed like a fucking
disgusting Like he's the guy who goes high thing and
gets like and like kills an animal with like a
shot to the head and then frames it on his wall.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Crazy. I mean, like just the level of uh smugness
and the way that guy would talk what it made
me love that.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
He talks like, I'm you're stupid. I am so much
smarter than you. I'm gonna act like it.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
When really he's talking to a lawyer that's deposing, totally
a lawyer who gets paid to argue. So the guy's like,
let me finish. Like the lawyer ends up feeling like
a teacher, and this guy's like, I don't remember such
a smug pieces.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
What do you think? Yeah, he's just all of it.
It's so gross. And then it turns into and I
think we could talk about the crime because this is
a murder that we probably would have eventually gotten to
because it's stuck with me for so it's stuck with
me because of what this woman went through, the torture
that she went through. Oh no, did you ever hear
about it before? I don't know because I'm I'm like
right in the park where they're looking for her.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I mean, I obviously know she.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Do you remember there's one where she gets kidnapped and
tied up and then nephew and the sky raped and
tortured her. I remembered it from the because of the
nephew part. Okay, So when that started happening and they
started talking about it around the third episode, I was like,
oh shit. And then his nephew comes in, so I'm like, well,
this is then he did it because I remember this murder,
(07:18):
but they get to it. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
So wait, basically, you're remembering a thing that you saw
in like a twenty twenty style thing, but it was wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I don't. Well that's what that's what we're examining, Okay,
is did he commit this murder or did they set
him up? Because this guy, Steven Avery is now suing
the shit out of the county that put him in
jail wrongfully, and are they setting him up because this
woman disappeared, right, Are they setting him up for the murder? Yeah,
that's like the question they're going to answer. I'm positive
(07:47):
they are.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And I'm only halfway through the second episode.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
It's great and it's wonderful because it's one of those
things with Cereal. We're episode to episode, we're like, he's guilty,
he's not guilty, he's guilty, and they the reason they
found out about it is because the nephew confessed and
you're like, well, then he did it, and then they
show you they have footage of the nephew confessing, and
it is it is troubling. Oh no, Like when you
say I can tell people are lying, he's lying. This
(08:12):
kid is making this shit up and it's a false confession.
But is it I don't know, I'm sorry, is it?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I'm sorry to say, but it's that weird thing where
also it's so much easier when you're watching a documentary
and going like, look at this guy, because so it's
been laid out for me, right, Like if they were
manipulating me to not like people are like people. Yeah, ever,
I fall for that stuff every single totally, totally every time.
You know, what's really funny too, is I mean, this
will come out later, but people, I bet a lot
(08:39):
of people will have watched it by the time Yes
actually comes out.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
So what's fun is it's not episodic. You can go
binge the fuck out of it right now. Yeah, it's
all on there. That's the best.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
But it seems like a bunch of people did that
because it was like a wildfire. People on Twitter being
like making it a murder Like yeah, all of a sudden,
in a five hour block, everyone was tweeting that they
were watching it.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
It was weird smart Like I feel like episodic makes
people more into something, makes you smarter? No, makes people
more into something?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Oh oh like yes, because you just sit in your
house and watch it all day and it like it
becomes your life totally.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Like now that Fargo's over, what am I gonna watch
for real?
Speaker 1 (09:14):
God bless Fargo? Right, gorgeous Greatest.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
If Kirsten Dunce doesn't win all the awards, even like
the ones that don't make any sense, I'm gonna be bombed.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Did I already brag to you that I know the
casting director? No? She goes to my dog park. No, yah,
she became dog park friends, and then after chatting and
she's just a total like one of us kind of goal.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
It turns out that and so we have each other's
phone numbers, like to text because everyone's I'll be like, oh,
text me if you're going to go. Yeah, so we'll
be at the dog park at the same time.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And so if you're gonna go, bring Kirsten Dunce.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
But I the first episode I watched, I text her,
I'm like, this show is amazing because I was I
loved the first season and I was like, there's no
way the second season is going to be as good.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And it was like so good, so good, that good.
So yeah, everyone go watch what is it? Making of
a murder, Making of a murderer? Making a murderer? Tell
us about it. Oh, I made us a Facebook fan page,
not fan I made my favorite murder a Facebook page. Nice,
So everyone go on there and talk about that and
(10:17):
tell us you're you're in your town murder all.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
This right, Yes, we want to know what's happened, What
happened in your town that you've been talking about, yeah,
since you were ten.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
We want to know your Facebook murder or your favorite murder.
What could be a Facebook murder.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
What if there was a Facebook murderer.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Oh, there's a Craigslist murderer. Yeah, not a face. It's
so low rent. Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, we loved Facebook.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Facebook Oh my god, Like that was as big as
I thought it would get, is a Facebook page. So
I was like, I'm going to do this. Yeah, and
it turned out to be, as the kids say, a
dumpster fire. I mean it ended up.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yes, in the early days, we used to have some
fun on that Facebook page.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It was really great. Thank you to Steve and Ray
Morris and to the moderators for curating this beautiful little thing.
It could only last so long.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, that's the way of the Internet basically. But we
had mods. But at the end there, when that Facebook
page had tens of thousands of people on it, we
had mods that were working constantly that voluntarily. Although I
will say I was going to say for nothing, but
we did invite them to our live shows. Oh yeah,
(11:36):
so that was our give back. We're like, please, you know,
let us get you a ticket for a live show
near you. But ultimately the Facebook page had to end,
and it ended kind of I do want to say,
it ended very unceremoniously. We didn't talk to the mods
about it. We just shut the page down.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I mean, I think it was our first kind of panic, yeah,
of this podcast at first, of many things that we
would panic about that we didn't really know how to handle.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Especially with something like a person being accused of racism, Yeah,
which it overtly was racism, absolutely, But it was also
the fourth of July, so everybody was away from their
computer that was in quote unquote in charge.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I can't even remember that.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Oh I remember because then when I went back to work,
all of a sudden, I was getting these messages that
were the same message over and over, which is very
interesting to me. Your Facebook page is a dumbster fire.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Well, yeah, if we keep doing these rewinds, we're going
to get to that that day. Yeah, and we can
talk about it.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
It was bad, but it's just kind of a funny,
like it is a little bit of a horror movie
to be like, listen to us talk about Facebook.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I know, Oh, we were so naive, but we're like, yeah,
we're like the girl in the shower in the beginning
of the horror movie who's just like so doesn't know it's.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Happenings shampooing and conditioning. She doesn't care.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
God, Okay, and then we and then you tell your
story first.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
One of my first great failures on this podcast. And
it's only episode two.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, somehow you pull it off. I swear. Let's listen
to Karen's story. She does. Paul Bernardo and Carla Homolka.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yesh, should we get to what our favorite murders are?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yes for this episode? Yeah? Do you want to go first?
You want me to go to first? I want you
to go first.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
You want me to go first. Yeah. This is one
of the ones where I've done less research on it,
but I know I know the story in my heart totally.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
These are more fun.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
It's a murder of my heart. But it's the Paul
Bernardo Carla Homolka husband and wife murder team where in
it was in uh, I believe it's Toronto, yes, and
in the early nineties, and it was a weird power dynamic,
(14:10):
abusive relationship. And he basically he basically got his wife
to help him lure teenage girls into their homes so
that he could rape them and ultimately murder them. And
they started off with her younger son. I remember it's
so crazy. They drugged her younger sister, who was like fourteen.
(14:36):
They put drugs in her drink and then like they
root feed her and then he raped her and she
videotaped it.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
This is her younger her younger sister.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
You thought Canada was all mato syrup and politeness totally,
And there's one exception to that rule, and it's Paul Bernardo.
But the reason I like this, aside from the insanity
of that part where they would drive around looking for
teen girls.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
It's so scary because you think, like you see a
woman and you're like, I'm safe. Like it's something like,
let's say, for some reason, I was hitchhiking, which I
would fucking never do because I'm terrified of murder. But
it happened that I was and a couple stopped. I'd
be like, this is okay because the woman's here. Yes,
so he's not gonna murder me with his like wife
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Which is That's how you know the story of the
woman him in the box.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Oh my god, it's so crazy. Yep, Georgia, the way.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I wish you guys could see you, you practically winked
at me. You're like yep, like say no more, this
is a day where Georgia knows everything I'm going to
say to her.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I do.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
But that girl, the woman got into the car because
it was a couple in the front seat. And then
they put her head in a carpeted box. How how terrifying,
so awful. And then they ended up keeping her in
a box under the bed for seven years.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And then they tied her up. Did you see the
photo of her tied up but from her trial, No,
they don't show her face, but she's like splayed naked.
And you know what the most fucked up thing about
that story is is that they brought her home to
her house to be like, look, she's fine everyone, Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
And that in and of itself was this big, uh
a huge thing for him because he had her and
that idea that like, there's a syndicate that's out to
get you, so you can't go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
You can't tell her he made her He told her
that he made her sign a thing.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, that said the company. I think he called it
the com company.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I mean, would you do you want to be like,
I would never believe that as soon as I've actually
I thought that this, Like, I would just start screaming
the minute I got in the door of my family's
house because he was like, look, we're dating. Everything's normal, right,
so you can stop looking for her.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
But he broke her. He broke her. He broke her
in the on the deepest psychological levels.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
It can't be that hard when you're putting someone in
boxes to break them.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
It actually isn't. I don't think you if you if
you feed people like only sugar, don't let them sleep,
make them jump around. That's how cults do it.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Real sugar. Really that's a good Yeah, that's all Like
the Moonies would do it. Why just because your brain
is if.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
You don't have enough protein, yeah, and you only you
only eat sugar, then you have these weird energy bursts
and you do like a lot of crazy stuff and
then you are exhausted. But then they wake you up
at three in the morning and do a weird.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I'm putting myself in a cult then, because I was
just constantly I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Cookies, am I right, it's crazy. I need to eat
more protein. So anyway, but here's the here's my Twistaroo
that's kind of a hometown story. So Paul Bernardo was
the husband of this hideous They of course eventually caught him.
But when they caught him, they in taking his DNA.
They linked him to a long standing set of unsolved rapes.
(17:43):
They were calling them, They're calling him the Scarborough rapist.
And it was from a certain neighborhood in Toronto, right,
I keep thinking it might be.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Montreal, it's Canada, It's I'm pretty sure it's Toronto.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
But let us know if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, always on the Facebook page.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Give me a thumbs up if I'm wrong. But so,
the Scarborough Rapist was was people were terrified. It went
on for years.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Barborough, New York.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
No, no, no, in this part of Sorry, this is
the one that I didn't look up. I'm pretty sure
it's a neighborhood of Toronto, got it. But so my
friend Paul Greenberg, who you might know him from that
one year that Neil Patrick Harris hosted the Emmys and
he walked out behind him and just stood and stared,
why did you do that? It was a bit Oh okay,
(18:36):
he's a writer and he's a comic. He's really funny.
So anyway, he told me this story, and this is
my favorite love so the years before Paul Bernardo and
his wife started killing young girls for his pleasure, there
was a Scarborough rapist and so Paul's mother was at
(18:57):
the time, I guess in her seventies probably, and she
lived in an apartment building that at a swimming pool
at the top, and she's a really good artist and
so she would go up and swim laps every day,
and you know, she's retired and I think she lived
by herself. Anyway, one day she's up there swimming laps
and a young man comes out onto the roof, and
(19:19):
she doesn't really think much of it, you know, she's
swimming laps, and then she notices that he's walking along
the pool as she's swimming laps, like lapping with her
walking back and forth, and so she like looks up
and sees it and there's no one.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Else up there. It's threatening.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
So she just keeps swimming laps and he's like tracking
her and staring at her, and she's like, you know,
an elderly woman swimming and he's just like she said,
it was the scariest thing ever. And then she didn't
know what to do. At one point, she was just
treading water and like staring and didn't know what to do.
(19:55):
And then the door burst open and like three families
came out and you know, came to use the pool,
and all the kids jumped in the pool and he left. Okay,
So she got out of the pool, put on a.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Put on a towel. That's really important. When I was scared,
she was slipped on some flip flops, and she went
down to her apartment and drew a picture of his face.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
She had to do it while she remembered it, so
then she put the picture. She called the cops. They said,
you know, it's like a complaint or whatever. And then, however,
many years it was later, let's say three or five,
when they showed Paul Bernardo on the news for this
husband and wife killing thing. The mom walks over and
(20:42):
pulls the picture out of the drawer and it's him.
It was Paul Bernardo that was doing that. And then
later on with DNA they linked him. She well, at
that point they had I think they had already figured
out that he was also the Scarborough ra Holy. I
(21:02):
mean certainly not how Keith Morrison would have done it,
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
No, But you you basically told a friend's anecdote about
the story. So it was still riveting and new information,
but there wasn't a lot of other information, and you
ended up redoing it later, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
When we were in Toronto, right, because it was so
I mean, and this was that, this is very much
the we didn't really understand the concept of our podcast,
and we didn't we thought we were the only ones
paying attention to it. So it is that thing of like, oh,
I know that. Yeah, that's a crazy story.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I know it.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
And then it's like, no, no, you don't. You're just
having a cocktail party conversation. Right, it's a different thing.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
That's exactly what it was, a cocktail Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
That's we kind of started thinking that's how we were
going to do it, and slowly but surely we were like,
we cannot do this. This is not this is awful.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Have to give information.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Oh so here's a couple updates. Oh yeah, Paul Bernardo
is still alive. He's still in prison. He gets a
new parole hearing every two years. That's Canadian law. But
it's of course very unlikely he'll ever be released because
of it. He's infamous in Canada, obviously, Uh. There was
(22:24):
outcry from victims' families when he was transferred to a
medium security prison, but they upheld it.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
That's crazy. That guy is so dangerous.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
He is a serial rapist, yes, berserker, he's a predator.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, Like the word medium security should not be anywhere
near his name.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
It really shouldn't. It doesn't make a ton of sense.
No new updates from Carla Hamulka. She basically moved away
and started over.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
So kind of a kind of eerie ending.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
So eerie for that, definitely.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Now here's George's story.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Here's my story. Okay, my favorite murder. Okay, this is
it's like a it's not as interesting, but it's my
favorite because I feel like it changed the course of
history so drastically that everything would be different today Lincoln's
assassinating No, but not far from that. Okay, I think
(23:31):
our world would be it's such a better place if
this person hadn't been killed. Robert F. Kennedy. Oh, because
he was a good person in a darling JFK was
just a fucking flashy playboy.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
But RFK hot take Georgia.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, I just it makes me so sad that he
was killed, and I don't think there was a conspiracy,
even though there's they're trying to make a million conspiracy
s u it. There's the girl in the Polka dot dresser.
That that thing where they say there's a girl in
a book, a dolt dress who was mind controlling him.
What's the mind control thing that they call the ultra
and she mind controlled Sir hunt, Sir hun to shoot
(24:11):
Robert F. Kennedy and ran out. They saw someone said
she ran out of the Ambassador Hotel where he was killed,
screaming we shot him. No one ever found her.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, And if you were, if you were some kind
of a super deep agent in the MK Ultra program,
would you be would you yell that.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
You can get a little work controler? I think I
think you'd be better at your job.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
And that's a really good.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Point, Like you can do all of these things, but
yet you start screaming, you snap.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I mean, that's an interesting I mean, I I don't
put it past anything that the kind of things that
have gone on governmentally. Sure, I believe in all of
those I believe in the idea that they were trying
to train people to be like sleeper hers. You just
like would wake up and shoot somebody.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Do you believe that?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, like Vanchurian candidate style.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Because they do. You hear you fucking hear? Is that
your cod? That's my fucking cat screaming in the other room.
And this is why you can't sleep at night.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Maybe your cat's in pain. She's not.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I take her to the doctor multiple times. She's fine. Okay,
she's fucking fine. She's an idiot? Is she screaming? We
shot him? Spoke about outpage?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
She Is she the sleeper agent that we've been fearing
all along.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Probably she's already ruining my life.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
You know what, if they could control cats, that would
be ill.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I mean it was over the cutest army. The other
thing is she probably, if you're gonna think about it,
she wouldn't have worn a polka dot, Like why would
you wear something so like easily explainable, Right, you'd wear
a black dress, you'd wear pants, and like you would
look normal.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
There are so many ways to blend in that Polka
dots always says, Hey, look at Manny Mouse. Here fun
polka dots, white gloves.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I'm here to have fun. It's me the town slut.
I'm here for the shooting. So you really think who
do they pick and why? Just like maybe criminals that
no one will believe anyways could be.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
That could be like you know, Jason Bourne style, you
were already in the army and then you got pulled
into some kind of special program and.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
They just be on so much LSD for so long
that your brain is as mush Yep. Yeah, the fuck
that would suck.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I know it would be crazy. But also it's weird that, like,
I don't know, all of that stuff is so crazy
because it's like who is it the government or is
it the mafia or is it you know, the Kennedys
have not had a good time of it in terms
of being murdered.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, but I think I don't know are they are
they all? Just like I think everyone in a in
a public place, in government is just a fucking puppet. Sure.
So it's the bit the rich, big business people the scenes.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Right, you know, the Dow Chemical family, the guy from
Fox Ketchup, Oh my.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
God, totally him. Did you watch the the movie board
the shit out of Me? But then I watched the
the thirty for thirty Do you ever watch this? Yeah
about it? And you're like, oh, he this was so
perfect and correct and right and it's fucked up. It's
better than the movie.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Oh, I have to see that. I loved that movie.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I was bored.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
And maybe because I went by myself, and when I
go see movies by myself, it makes me feel like
I'm French or something. I get real stuck up about
myself and like I'm doing this.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
You're going to see a film, that's right, not a movie.
It's not a movie.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
It's a film.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Well, I had no idea what to expect. Vince was like,
there's something about wrestling in it, and I was like okay,
and like I went and I was like, this is
the most boring. I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I think that half the audience in the theater when
I went thought I was watching a movie Correll comedy.
So they only laughed when it was like when he
brings the trophy and he's like a trophy now mother
or whatever. He did some weird speech and everyone's like
kinda laughed, but they were just confused the whole time.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Oh my god, they were watching a movie. You were
watching a film.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I was there for the film in my red Poked Auto.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It's good. You should watch the thirty for thirty of it? Okay, Yeah,
am I allowed to do boring murders like that?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
No?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yes, because it's it's more of the concept of it,
Like what was he up to that they needed to
take him out?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Well, here's the thing, is the reason. But see the
problem with me is what I that I have is
that the reason Sir Hans Sirhan, who was arrested and
is in prison for life for it, was killed him
makes complete sense, whereas like what's his little squirreling name
who killed Lee Harvey? It's like it doesn't really sound
like so Sir Han RFK was a supporter of Israel.
(28:47):
Sir Hans Sir Haan was a Palestinian jordan Jordanian immigrant
and the day, the day that RFK was killed was
on the anniversary of the start of the Six Days War.
So he killed RFK for his support of Israel.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Well, but but there's got to be the weird thing
is what didn't that guy work at the hotel?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
No? Oh he didn't?
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Does that?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
May see the bus boy?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I thought he was like at least dressed up like
a busboy.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Maybe there are people who have dedicated their lives to
studying mission.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
They hate it's so much.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Did that happen at a hotel?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Listen, we am here at my favorite murder. We're fucking
talking mad shit. And if you want something more than that,
then you need to go watch the documentary.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Then read your books.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, Like we're not pretending to be good talkers, no,
uh so. Yeah. And then there's also a theory that
if you listen to the recording, there are more than
eight shots fired, which Sir hauns Sir Hunt only had
a guy in a twenty two caliber with eight rounds
in it. Wow, But you can hear like up to
(29:56):
thirteen maybe, so maybe there's a second shooter.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Well, it sounds like there would have to be unless
it was echoing.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
But I just feel like if you watch documentaries about RFK,
his like his stance on racism and what he was
doing for the poor and for minorities was so extreme
from anything we've anyway we've ever treated people before. I
think our world would have been in a fucking much
better place. I think that, honestly, Like I think that
(30:25):
there was a break in the space time continue him
and everyone else when he didn't die got to live
in a great fucking world and we're stuck in this
bullshit where he got killed. Wow, I really do think
there was like a what do they call them, alternate reality,
alternate reality, a sliding doors during yes flight and Gwyneth
Paltrow we got stuck with her in this one and
(30:47):
then the other one. There's no Gwyneth Paltrow. The other
one at Sandy Bullock the whole time. Yeah, all Sandy
Bullock all the time, good times. Life is better and
here we are.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Well, that's dark, but I kind of think you. I
like the common except of it. Like, imagine a world
where somebody, a leader who actually really did have the
people's best intentions ever got through, because that's almost seems
impossible these days. I think he had.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I think he had that, and I think we didn't
deserve it, and he couldn't. He couldn't live because we
didn't deserve it. I'm such a good person. I'm not you,
and I'm clearly you and I are like the.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Best, right, I'm I'm super nice to everybody all the time.
I'm really understanding patient.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I'm so patient.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I'm so patient and kind.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I don't care when people drive like shit. I won't
scream at them.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I don't scream terrible things out the window of my
car people or at other PEOs.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
We don't sit at a diner and talk shit on
every single person. Oh my god, is it time.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Use our second podcast, Diner Time, where we talk public
mad shit.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Where we don't know we're mic, and we just talked
shit on every single person.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
That would be I feel like I can't believe that
hasn't happened yet. Just truth, just like a well, I mean,
I think there are some people that do podcasts mistakenly,
but the idea of that a gossip podcast where people
just talk shit, you listen to it every if they
put out five a week, you'd listen to everyone.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah. But can we be anonymous and no one knows
who we really are?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Well, we can't ask too late for us?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Well maybe true? Other random girls haven't a podcast done
Farrall adio. Is't that weird? And it's just these two
anonymous girls and they talk mad shit. They sound a
lot like kar those girls from Ohio. Yeah, yoh yeah, yeah,
yeah yea yeah yeah, those girls. They're bitches. Let's talk
shit on those girls.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Let's talk shit, mad shit.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Okay, Yeah, So that's that's Those are two good ones.
Those are those are pretty good ones.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Here's the first thing I thought of when you said,
Robert Kennedy, you know how he had a hand in
shutting down that. I shouldn't get into this one because
it's a whole other topic quick. It's a I think
it was called Westbrook or Brookhaven or Summy Brook or whatever,
but it's that mental hospital that's on Long Island or
(33:07):
Staten Island. I mean that got shut down in the
sixties because they were basically just taking developmentally disabled children
and throwing them into big dark rooms, oh my god,
and hosing them off every day, and like it was
so I think it was one of Heraldo's first expos
as she.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Went in there.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I remember that, and they like on this single light
on the camera, it looks like a horror movie from
today where it's just kids huddled up. And when Robert
Kennedy saw that, he went and shut that place down himself.
That's the first thing I thought of. But that's where
they think there's a serial killer that lives on the
grounds of that hospital.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
There's there's a what's it called something see, yes, there's
a clancy clancy or something like, that's it called I
know the movie there's a Netflix. It's so good.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
It's really good.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
It's called Stocksy.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Cropsy Cropsy, that's it. It's really good and creepy.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Remember a word with Karen and Georgia. Sound it out
and work it out. It's a Banksy. Oh my god,
we just saw who Banksy is.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Banksy's Banksy's killing developmentally disabled children on staff.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, that's some fucked up shit. And unfortunately they also
then like Reagan, uh and Nixon just opened the fucking
asylums and let everyone go, and which is why we
have this homeless problem and mental illness issue. My mom
was a psychiatric nurse and she in the in the
late seventies and early eighties when that proposition came up,
it was Reagan. It was Reagan. Sorry, sorry, Nixon. Nixon
(34:40):
was long on.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
But she used to ramp about it every single night,
and she called, exactly what's happening today. She's like, these
people will have nowhere to go, they will be wandering
on the streets, they'll be assaulting people. They'll be like,
these people need to be taken care of. And this
is the coldest like the idea that a leader would
be like that you don't take care of the people
that need help the most, and you just shut off
(35:03):
all funding for that and say it's not our problem.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Creates six such huge problems. Listen, I'm gonna say it
right now. I would rather pay more taxes to get
people mental fucking help and not have as much money
myself than live in a world where we don't fucking
take care of people in there are just rampant mental
illness and homeless and starving people.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, and that idea of it's too bad for you,
like I got mine? Yeah, when how did you even
get yours?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
People helped you? Right, totally horrible. Everything is horrible. And
if RFK hadn't died, that would have never fucking happened.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
I could have changed what if he went and fist
fought Reagan and that was like it was an actual battle.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Not hear fist fought something totally else, And I just
can't give it to myself. And that's what I did.
When you said, I was like, why did she say that?
But you thought what I saw?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
You said fist fought a past tense of fistfight is
what I said.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
That's not what I heard. Oh yeah, they should have fought.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
They should have they should have fought.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Uh or where am I? Yeah? In alternative Universeville, there
is just the most beautiful asylums and we go there
sometimes when we just need a break.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yep, you know, all a garden.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah, rest, and everyone knows how to properly prescribe medication.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
And the medication is free, flowing.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Overflowing, just bowls of medication everywhere, like fountains, fountains of prozac.
I'll take it, open my mouth, just like stick my
head under the I get some. Sure, just relax. Yeah,
there's the adderall fountain. It's never abused that great.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Everyone graduates from college.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Oh drugs Okay. So when I listened to this again
for the rewind episode, I just kept saying to myself,
So I say, this stuff about this person changed the world,
would have made the world a better place historically, Like
if they hadn't died, everything would have been better. And
(37:09):
I kept saying to myself, Now, say Martin Luther King Junior,
Say Martin Luther King Jr. But I said, Robert F. Kennedy,
you know, so let's just you know, look at it
through twenty twenty four eyes.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I mean but that is the what you were talking about. Yeah,
it was the case you were talking about, right, right,
but you know, and that is it. Well, there's a
little bit of that is the conversation these days where
it's like people who aren't doing it from the outsider
going why didn't you do it this way? And it's like, right,
I mean, like that's the way we did it.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
It is.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
There's there's a white lady part of it. There's a
like ignorance part of it. There's also just that this
is what we're like focusing on in this moment. Yeah,
so you were just talking about the Kennedys and.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah, oh and the other thing I wanted to point
out is this is how long the podcast has gone on, Like,
this is the cycle. I said to thing about there
being fountains of prozac at a at a institution, and
that shows you that's I was taking prozac then and
I stopped taking it, and it's cycled around I'm taking
it again. Really, so it's this beautiful like circle of
(38:16):
medication and just shows you that you're so it's such
a long journey to find the medication that works for you,
and sometimes this time in your life it works and
this time it doesn't. But it's kind of a full
circle prozac moment for me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I always got to get that mental health message in
there as well, whether it's through your life or you know,
just trends being trendy.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, find what works people well.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
And so we started this on the first episode of
rewind with Karen and Georgia, where we used to have
these pun numbers as our titles, but these days in
the current episodes, we just find phrases from the show.
Should we just read these back and back?
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Okay? Yeah, okay, you want to go first.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
The first one is positive verbal energies, which is us
describing each other like describing ourselves.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
That sounds right. This one's put on a towel. I
remember that because that's like part of the story and
you're like, yeah, duh, put on the towel.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
The Cutest Army, which was us talking about if we
could control cats and make them an army.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
We read your books, meaning we're not giving facts.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
So yeah, you know important. I'm so patient diner talk.
They should have fist fought, Reagan versus RFK, bowls of
medication and fountains of prosa.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I have one more that I wrote down that you
said a jamba juice of facts.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah, if your jamba juice doesn't have orange juice, bananas,
protein powder, or strawberry, right, right, the fewest facts at
any jobs.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
The nagerie of artificial flavors. Should we wrap it up?
Wrap it up? Yeah? Go to Facebook page.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Facebook page, go to any Facebook page anyway, and talk
about us and visit people and just live your life.
Yeah digitally. Yeah, don't leave your house. You're gonna get
murdered if you leave your house.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
And definitely talk about us on Facebook page. Yeah. I
talk about us on Facebook page and tell everyone and
read it to listen. I feel like Reddit people would
like this podcast a lot, but I'm not on Reddit.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
I thought it might be frustrating to some Reddit types
who like facts, facts and like a fluidly chronologically told story.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Please again, go watch the documentary. Is not what we're
here for.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
We're like, we like, we're like a puree. We're like
a jamba juice of facts.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, yeah, that we're like we were like one of
those two guys in uh In Vegas who play with tigers. Yep,
for those guys and tigers, Like, you're not going to
find out the history of tigers, and like what they're
you know what they're about. You're going to see the
best part of the tiger and our tans and our tans.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah, yeah, our teeth are tans, the best part of
the tiger.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
And what we don't get mulled by our tiger, which
is the murders that.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Can I just say this and then we'll The day
that there was the story in the paper of how
the it was either Sigfried or Rory, remember which one
got attacked. But the day that was in the paper
about him being mauled by the tiger was the same
day that they caught the Green River killer. And I
remember going from I was reading the La Times and
(41:38):
it went from like one small story turned the page
the other small story, where I was like, both of
these stories are the hugest thing to happen in the
last twenty years, and they're both like four column like tiny,
tiny stories.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
People don't know what's important anymore, No, they really don't.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
It's like our media man is like telling us how
to live. Yeah, well that's a good like that. It's
a little tie, a little bow tie on it, tied
it up good job. Hey, listen to us on other
stuff and go to us on other places. We have
other things, We live other lives sometimes, but we're slowly
building so that this takes over everything. Yeah, make sure
(42:15):
this takes over everything for your life too. Yeah, get
obsessed with this. Yep, there you go. We're Karen and Georgia.
Thanks for listening. Thanks, So all right, well that's another
episode of Rewind in the Can. Should we keep doing them?
Let us know if you like them? Which do you think?
That's right? Is this fun?
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Is it working on your dental hygienist? Did you bring
them over to start listening to our podcast?
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yeah? Let us know.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Congratulations, we're all day one listeners now, Yeah, that's right.
Stay sexy and don't get murdered.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Goodbye, Elvis. Do you want a cookie
Hello, guys, this is Rewind with Karen and Georgia. We
are it's a little something new for all the Murderinos
out there. It's a little look back onto our past.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We're going back to our first episodes and we're going
to add in all new commentary to our favorite moments
from the episode. Also our corrections, corners, case updates, just
a lot of shit talking. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Basically, we've been doing this so long that it's fun
to look back at how different we were. At the
very beginning, we were very different. We were very ignorant,
and we have learned a lot along the way. We
were green, right, And there's people who say this podcast
has been going on so long that they it's too
(01:03):
late for them to get into it. We're here to
say that's not true.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
That's right. So now you can invite your doula or
your creepy cousin, your tattooist to listen along with you
and to you know, get a feel for the beginning
so that they can catch up.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I mean, no, everybody can be a day one listener,
that's right. So right now we're going to take you back.
We're going to rewind it all the way back to
January twenty second, twenty sixteen. We're in George's apartment. We're podcasting.
There's no research, there's no document, there's no sources. No
one's written anything on a piece of paper.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
There's gigglings during a horrible talk, which we don't do anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, so there's a lot of there's a lot of
early days behavior.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, pulled on to your butts. Here's episode two.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Enjoy.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Hey, welcome to my favorite murder. Hey.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I'm Karen, I'm Georgia, and we love murder.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
We love murder. We don't want to get murdered. We
love true crime. We live true crime.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
We love to talk about bad things that have happened
yep to good people.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yep. Hopefully they won't happen to us if we talk
about it enough.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It's as if we could ward it off with just
our with our positive verbal.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Energies and our anxiety over getting murdered.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Because sometimes when you share an anxiety, it alleviates it
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, I think it also lessens the chance of it happening.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
That's right, We're really we're changing the future with our words.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Georgia was very harsh with me when I arrived at
her apartment. She said, have you been watching that? And
I said, don't talk about it?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Have you been watching I barely had the word watching
out and she screamed don't talk about it, but didn't
explain that she wanted to save it for the podcast.
It was as if this was a forbidden SS.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Like I literally was like, never talk about it, like
how I am with Sex and the City. Don't talk
about it in front of me. Oh, you don't want
a spoiler?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Is that why?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Ever? In my life?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I want to keep that pure for the rest of
my days.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
You never know one you've never done one episode I saw.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Part of once when they went to LA and it
was it really depressed me.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Fair enough, Okay, let's talk about it. Okay, I meant,
I meant save it for the show. Okay, this is
the show. Okay, there's I just started watching it yesterday,
same with me. What episode are you on?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Uh? Two?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Okay, this is fun because I'm on like it? We
just finished three?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Okay. The show we're talking about is Making of a Murder,
Making a murderer, Making a Murderer on Netflix. It's like
Think the Jinks, but fucking better. Yeah. Do you love it?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
It's amazing. But what I think is amazing is we
are truly now in this era where everyone's life has
been recorded in some way because there is so much
footage of that guy, so much, so much footage, and
you realize it's because that's how everything works these days.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
But he was also in the news like for the
past eighteen years. Yes, So the story is. And it's
really funny because this story there's two separate stories here,
one of which the murder. I already knew about so
as soon, and I didn't realize that that's what was
going on until they started talking about the murder. So
the first episode, which I thought was a standalone thing.
I thought they were just going to talk about like
(04:21):
people who got exonerated. Oh, the first episode is the
story of this guy, Stephen Avery. Getting spoilers sprightly, Yeah,
but you're going to see the first episode. It's fine.
He gets exonerated for rape after eighteen years in prison and.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Kind of finding out that he's been railroaded by his
own cousin and the people that live in his community.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's one of those like it's like the West Memphis
three where it's like how the fuck did this get
as far as it did. Yeah, one of those like
these guys clearly a huge miscarriage of justice. This is terrifying.
We could go to prison at any moment for anything.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, well yes, because it's that freaky thing of like
as you pull back and realize this is happening all
over the country, all over the world, where people in power,
it's an abusive power and people just doing whatever they
want to do. Totally, there's these amazing interviews.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
God, all the depositions. There's like hundreds of hours of deposition.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
And it's these people that I swear to God, if
it was a sketch show, you'd be like, that guy's
too broad, totally, like the the neely mouthed district attorney
guy with the little glasses and the kind of perfectly
balding head that was.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Like, they are so depressing like this. They are the
reasons I point to all of them that I never
want to work in an office job again if I
can save myself, because those are the people you work
with and you fucking hate them.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And more more so for me is watching people lie.
It's so fascinating because you can smell a lie. It
doesn't matter how you think you might be good at
it or not.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
How do people know you're lying? I think you are.
Everyone knows you're lying.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
And that one sheriff who is kind of big with
the mustache that ye had drawing You.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Did a drawing and got them framed like a fucking
disgusting Like he's the guy who goes high thing and
gets like and like kills an animal with like a
shot to the head and then frames it on his wall.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Crazy. I mean, like just the level of uh smugness
and the way that guy would talk what it made
me love that.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
He talks like, I'm you're stupid. I am so much
smarter than you. I'm gonna act like it.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
When really he's talking to a lawyer that's deposing, totally
a lawyer who gets paid to argue. So the guy's like,
let me finish. Like the lawyer ends up feeling like
a teacher, and this guy's like, I don't remember such
a smug pieces.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
What do you think? Yeah, he's just all of it.
It's so gross. And then it turns into and I
think we could talk about the crime because this is
a murder that we probably would have eventually gotten to
because it's stuck with me for so it's stuck with
me because of what this woman went through, the torture
that she went through. Oh no, did you ever hear
about it before? I don't know because I'm I'm like
right in the park where they're looking for her.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I mean, I obviously know she.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Do you remember there's one where she gets kidnapped and
tied up and then nephew and the sky raped and
tortured her. I remembered it from the because of the
nephew part. Okay, So when that started happening and they
started talking about it around the third episode, I was like,
oh shit. And then his nephew comes in, so I'm like, well,
this is then he did it because I remember this murder,
(07:18):
but they get to it. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
So wait, basically, you're remembering a thing that you saw
in like a twenty twenty style thing, but it was wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I don't. Well that's what that's what we're examining, Okay,
is did he commit this murder or did they set
him up? Because this guy, Steven Avery is now suing
the shit out of the county that put him in
jail wrongfully, and are they setting him up because this
woman disappeared, right, Are they setting him up for the murder? Yeah,
that's like the question they're going to answer. I'm positive
(07:47):
they are.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And I'm only halfway through the second episode.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
It's great and it's wonderful because it's one of those
things with Cereal. We're episode to episode, we're like, he's guilty,
he's not guilty, he's guilty, and they the reason they
found out about it is because the nephew confessed and
you're like, well, then he did it, and then they
show you they have footage of the nephew confessing, and
it is it is troubling. Oh no, Like when you
say I can tell people are lying, he's lying. This
(08:12):
kid is making this shit up and it's a false confession.
But is it I don't know, I'm sorry, is it?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I'm sorry to say, but it's that weird thing where
also it's so much easier when you're watching a documentary
and going like, look at this guy, because so it's
been laid out for me, right, Like if they were
manipulating me to not like people are like people. Yeah, ever,
I fall for that stuff every single totally, totally every time.
You know, what's really funny too, is I mean, this
will come out later, but people, I bet a lot
(08:39):
of people will have watched it by the time Yes
actually comes out.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
So what's fun is it's not episodic. You can go
binge the fuck out of it right now. Yeah, it's
all on there. That's the best.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
But it seems like a bunch of people did that
because it was like a wildfire. People on Twitter being
like making it a murder Like yeah, all of a sudden,
in a five hour block, everyone was tweeting that they
were watching it.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
It was weird smart Like I feel like episodic makes
people more into something, makes you smarter? No, makes people
more into something?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Oh oh like yes, because you just sit in your
house and watch it all day and it like it
becomes your life totally.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Like now that Fargo's over, what am I gonna watch
for real?
Speaker 1 (09:14):
God bless Fargo? Right, gorgeous Greatest.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
If Kirsten Dunce doesn't win all the awards, even like
the ones that don't make any sense, I'm gonna be bombed.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Did I already brag to you that I know the
casting director? No? She goes to my dog park. No, yah,
she became dog park friends, and then after chatting and
she's just a total like one of us kind of goal.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
It turns out that and so we have each other's
phone numbers, like to text because everyone's I'll be like, oh,
text me if you're going to go. Yeah, so we'll
be at the dog park at the same time.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And so if you're gonna go, bring Kirsten Dunce.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
But I the first episode I watched, I text her,
I'm like, this show is amazing because I was I
loved the first season and I was like, there's no
way the second season is going to be as good.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And it was like so good, so good, that good.
So yeah, everyone go watch what is it? Making of
a murder, Making of a murderer? Making a murderer? Tell
us about it. Oh, I made us a Facebook fan page,
not fan I made my favorite murder a Facebook page. Nice,
So everyone go on there and talk about that and
(10:17):
tell us you're you're in your town murder all.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
This right, Yes, we want to know what's happened, What
happened in your town that you've been talking about, yeah,
since you were ten.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
We want to know your Facebook murder or your favorite murder.
What could be a Facebook murder.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
What if there was a Facebook murderer.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Oh, there's a Craigslist murderer. Yeah, not a face. It's
so low rent. Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, we loved Facebook.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Facebook Oh my god, Like that was as big as
I thought it would get, is a Facebook page. So
I was like, I'm going to do this. Yeah, and
it turned out to be, as the kids say, a
dumpster fire. I mean it ended up.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yes, in the early days, we used to have some
fun on that Facebook page.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It was really great. Thank you to Steve and Ray
Morris and to the moderators for curating this beautiful little thing.
It could only last so long.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, that's the way of the Internet basically. But we
had mods. But at the end there, when that Facebook
page had tens of thousands of people on it, we
had mods that were working constantly that voluntarily. Although I
will say I was going to say for nothing, but
we did invite them to our live shows. Oh yeah,
(11:36):
so that was our give back. We're like, please, you know,
let us get you a ticket for a live show
near you. But ultimately the Facebook page had to end,
and it ended kind of I do want to say,
it ended very unceremoniously. We didn't talk to the mods
about it. We just shut the page down.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I mean, I think it was our first kind of panic, yeah,
of this podcast at first, of many things that we
would panic about that we didn't really know how to handle.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Especially with something like a person being accused of racism, Yeah,
which it overtly was racism, absolutely, But it was also
the fourth of July, so everybody was away from their
computer that was in quote unquote in charge.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I can't even remember that.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Oh I remember because then when I went back to work,
all of a sudden, I was getting these messages that
were the same message over and over, which is very
interesting to me. Your Facebook page is a dumbster fire.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Well, yeah, if we keep doing these rewinds, we're going
to get to that that day. Yeah, and we can
talk about it.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
It was bad, but it's just kind of a funny,
like it is a little bit of a horror movie
to be like, listen to us talk about Facebook.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I know, Oh, we were so naive, but we're like, yeah,
we're like the girl in the shower in the beginning
of the horror movie who's just like so doesn't know it's.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Happenings shampooing and conditioning. She doesn't care.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
God, Okay, and then we and then you tell your
story first.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
One of my first great failures on this podcast. And
it's only episode two.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, somehow you pull it off. I swear. Let's listen
to Karen's story. She does. Paul Bernardo and Carla Homolka.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yesh, should we get to what our favorite murders are?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yes for this episode? Yeah? Do you want to go first?
You want me to go to first? I want you
to go first.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
You want me to go first. Yeah. This is one
of the ones where I've done less research on it,
but I know I know the story in my heart totally.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
These are more fun.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
It's a murder of my heart. But it's the Paul
Bernardo Carla Homolka husband and wife murder team where in
it was in uh, I believe it's Toronto, yes, and
in the early nineties, and it was a weird power dynamic,
(14:10):
abusive relationship. And he basically he basically got his wife
to help him lure teenage girls into their homes so
that he could rape them and ultimately murder them. And
they started off with her younger son. I remember it's
so crazy. They drugged her younger sister, who was like fourteen.
(14:36):
They put drugs in her drink and then like they
root feed her and then he raped her and she
videotaped it.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
This is her younger her younger sister.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
You thought Canada was all mato syrup and politeness totally,
And there's one exception to that rule, and it's Paul Bernardo.
But the reason I like this, aside from the insanity
of that part where they would drive around looking for
teen girls.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
It's so scary because you think, like you see a
woman and you're like, I'm safe. Like it's something like,
let's say, for some reason, I was hitchhiking, which I
would fucking never do because I'm terrified of murder. But
it happened that I was and a couple stopped. I'd
be like, this is okay because the woman's here. Yes,
so he's not gonna murder me with his like wife
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Which is That's how you know the story of the
woman him in the box.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Oh my god, it's so crazy. Yep, Georgia, the way.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I wish you guys could see you, you practically winked
at me. You're like yep, like say no more, this
is a day where Georgia knows everything I'm going to
say to her.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I do.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
But that girl, the woman got into the car because
it was a couple in the front seat. And then
they put her head in a carpeted box. How how terrifying,
so awful. And then they ended up keeping her in
a box under the bed for seven years.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And then they tied her up. Did you see the
photo of her tied up but from her trial, No,
they don't show her face, but she's like splayed naked.
And you know what the most fucked up thing about
that story is is that they brought her home to
her house to be like, look, she's fine everyone, Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
And that in and of itself was this big, uh
a huge thing for him because he had her and
that idea that like, there's a syndicate that's out to
get you, so you can't go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
You can't tell her he made her He told her
that he made her sign a thing.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, that said the company. I think he called it
the com company.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I mean, would you do you want to be like,
I would never believe that as soon as I've actually
I thought that this, Like, I would just start screaming
the minute I got in the door of my family's
house because he was like, look, we're dating. Everything's normal, right,
so you can stop looking for her.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
But he broke her. He broke her. He broke her
in the on the deepest psychological levels.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
It can't be that hard when you're putting someone in
boxes to break them.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
It actually isn't. I don't think you if you if
you feed people like only sugar, don't let them sleep,
make them jump around. That's how cults do it.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Real sugar. Really that's a good Yeah, that's all Like
the Moonies would do it. Why just because your brain
is if.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
You don't have enough protein, yeah, and you only you
only eat sugar, then you have these weird energy bursts
and you do like a lot of crazy stuff and
then you are exhausted. But then they wake you up
at three in the morning and do a weird.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I'm putting myself in a cult then, because I was
just constantly I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Cookies, am I right, it's crazy. I need to eat
more protein. So anyway, but here's the here's my Twistaroo
that's kind of a hometown story. So Paul Bernardo was
the husband of this hideous They of course eventually caught him.
But when they caught him, they in taking his DNA.
They linked him to a long standing set of unsolved rapes.
(17:43):
They were calling them, They're calling him the Scarborough rapist.
And it was from a certain neighborhood in Toronto, right,
I keep thinking it might be.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Montreal, it's Canada, It's I'm pretty sure it's Toronto.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
But let us know if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, always on the Facebook page.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Give me a thumbs up if I'm wrong. But so,
the Scarborough Rapist was was people were terrified. It went
on for years.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Barborough, New York.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
No, no, no, in this part of Sorry, this is
the one that I didn't look up. I'm pretty sure
it's a neighborhood of Toronto, got it. But so my
friend Paul Greenberg, who you might know him from that
one year that Neil Patrick Harris hosted the Emmys and
he walked out behind him and just stood and stared,
why did you do that? It was a bit Oh okay,
(18:36):
he's a writer and he's a comic. He's really funny.
So anyway, he told me this story, and this is
my favorite love so the years before Paul Bernardo and
his wife started killing young girls for his pleasure, there
was a Scarborough rapist and so Paul's mother was at
(18:57):
the time, I guess in her seventies probably, and she
lived in an apartment building that at a swimming pool
at the top, and she's a really good artist and
so she would go up and swim laps every day,
and you know, she's retired and I think she lived
by herself. Anyway, one day she's up there swimming laps
and a young man comes out onto the roof, and
(19:19):
she doesn't really think much of it, you know, she's
swimming laps, and then she notices that he's walking along
the pool as she's swimming laps, like lapping with her
walking back and forth, and so she like looks up
and sees it and there's no one.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Else up there. It's threatening.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
So she just keeps swimming laps and he's like tracking
her and staring at her, and she's like, you know,
an elderly woman swimming and he's just like she said,
it was the scariest thing ever. And then she didn't
know what to do. At one point, she was just
treading water and like staring and didn't know what to do.
(19:55):
And then the door burst open and like three families
came out and you know, came to use the pool,
and all the kids jumped in the pool and he left. Okay,
So she got out of the pool, put on a.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Put on a towel. That's really important. When I was scared,
she was slipped on some flip flops, and she went
down to her apartment and drew a picture of his face.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
She had to do it while she remembered it, so
then she put the picture. She called the cops. They said,
you know, it's like a complaint or whatever. And then, however,
many years it was later, let's say three or five,
when they showed Paul Bernardo on the news for this
husband and wife killing thing. The mom walks over and
(20:42):
pulls the picture out of the drawer and it's him.
It was Paul Bernardo that was doing that. And then
later on with DNA they linked him. She well, at
that point they had I think they had already figured
out that he was also the Scarborough ra Holy. I
(21:02):
mean certainly not how Keith Morrison would have done it,
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
No, But you you basically told a friend's anecdote about
the story. So it was still riveting and new information,
but there wasn't a lot of other information, and you
ended up redoing it later, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
When we were in Toronto, right, because it was so
I mean, and this was that, this is very much
the we didn't really understand the concept of our podcast,
and we didn't we thought we were the only ones
paying attention to it. So it is that thing of like, oh,
I know that. Yeah, that's a crazy story.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I know it.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
And then it's like, no, no, you don't. You're just
having a cocktail party conversation. Right, it's a different thing.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
That's exactly what it was, a cocktail Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
That's we kind of started thinking that's how we were
going to do it, and slowly but surely we were like,
we cannot do this. This is not this is awful.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Have to give information.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Oh so here's a couple updates. Oh yeah, Paul Bernardo
is still alive. He's still in prison. He gets a
new parole hearing every two years. That's Canadian law. But
it's of course very unlikely he'll ever be released because
of it. He's infamous in Canada, obviously, Uh. There was
(22:24):
outcry from victims' families when he was transferred to a
medium security prison, but they upheld it.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
That's crazy. That guy is so dangerous.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
He is a serial rapist, yes, berserker, he's a predator.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, Like the word medium security should not be anywhere
near his name.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
It really shouldn't. It doesn't make a ton of sense.
No new updates from Carla Hamulka. She basically moved away
and started over.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
So kind of a kind of eerie ending.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
So eerie for that, definitely.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Now here's George's story.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Here's my story. Okay, my favorite murder. Okay, this is
it's like a it's not as interesting, but it's my
favorite because I feel like it changed the course of
history so drastically that everything would be different today Lincoln's
assassinating No, but not far from that. Okay, I think
(23:31):
our world would be it's such a better place if
this person hadn't been killed. Robert F. Kennedy. Oh, because
he was a good person in a darling JFK was
just a fucking flashy playboy.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
But RFK hot take Georgia.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, I just it makes me so sad that he
was killed, and I don't think there was a conspiracy,
even though there's they're trying to make a million conspiracy
s u it. There's the girl in the Polka dot dresser.
That that thing where they say there's a girl in
a book, a dolt dress who was mind controlling him.
What's the mind control thing that they call the ultra
and she mind controlled Sir hunt, Sir hun to shoot
(24:11):
Robert F. Kennedy and ran out. They saw someone said
she ran out of the Ambassador Hotel where he was killed,
screaming we shot him. No one ever found her.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, And if you were, if you were some kind
of a super deep agent in the MK Ultra program,
would you be would you yell that.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
You can get a little work controler? I think I
think you'd be better at your job.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
And that's a really good.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Point, Like you can do all of these things, but
yet you start screaming, you snap.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I mean, that's an interesting I mean, I I don't
put it past anything that the kind of things that
have gone on governmentally. Sure, I believe in all of
those I believe in the idea that they were trying
to train people to be like sleeper hers. You just
like would wake up and shoot somebody.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Do you believe that?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, like Vanchurian candidate style.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Because they do. You hear you fucking hear? Is that
your cod? That's my fucking cat screaming in the other room.
And this is why you can't sleep at night.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Maybe your cat's in pain. She's not.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I take her to the doctor multiple times. She's fine. Okay,
she's fucking fine. She's an idiot? Is she screaming? We
shot him? Spoke about outpage?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
She Is she the sleeper agent that we've been fearing
all along.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Probably she's already ruining my life.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
You know what, if they could control cats, that would
be ill.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I mean it was over the cutest army. The other
thing is she probably, if you're gonna think about it,
she wouldn't have worn a polka dot, Like why would
you wear something so like easily explainable, Right, you'd wear
a black dress, you'd wear pants, and like you would
look normal.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
There are so many ways to blend in that Polka
dots always says, Hey, look at Manny Mouse. Here fun
polka dots, white gloves.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I'm here to have fun. It's me the town slut.
I'm here for the shooting. So you really think who
do they pick and why? Just like maybe criminals that
no one will believe anyways could be.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
That could be like you know, Jason Bourne style, you
were already in the army and then you got pulled
into some kind of special program and.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
They just be on so much LSD for so long
that your brain is as mush Yep. Yeah, the fuck
that would suck.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I know it would be crazy. But also it's weird that, like,
I don't know, all of that stuff is so crazy
because it's like who is it the government or is
it the mafia or is it you know, the Kennedys
have not had a good time of it in terms
of being murdered.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, but I think I don't know are they are
they all? Just like I think everyone in a in
a public place, in government is just a fucking puppet. Sure.
So it's the bit the rich, big business people the scenes.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Right, you know, the Dow Chemical family, the guy from
Fox Ketchup, Oh my.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
God, totally him. Did you watch the the movie board
the shit out of Me? But then I watched the
the thirty for thirty Do you ever watch this? Yeah
about it? And you're like, oh, he this was so
perfect and correct and right and it's fucked up. It's
better than the movie.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Oh, I have to see that. I loved that movie.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I was bored.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
And maybe because I went by myself, and when I
go see movies by myself, it makes me feel like
I'm French or something. I get real stuck up about
myself and like I'm doing this.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
You're going to see a film, that's right, not a movie.
It's not a movie.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
It's a film.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Well, I had no idea what to expect. Vince was like,
there's something about wrestling in it, and I was like okay,
and like I went and I was like, this is
the most boring. I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I think that half the audience in the theater when
I went thought I was watching a movie Correll comedy.
So they only laughed when it was like when he
brings the trophy and he's like a trophy now mother
or whatever. He did some weird speech and everyone's like
kinda laughed, but they were just confused the whole time.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Oh my god, they were watching a movie. You were
watching a film.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I was there for the film in my red Poked Auto.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It's good. You should watch the thirty for thirty of it? Okay, Yeah,
am I allowed to do boring murders like that?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
No?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yes, because it's it's more of the concept of it,
Like what was he up to that they needed to
take him out?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Well, here's the thing, is the reason. But see the
problem with me is what I that I have is
that the reason Sir Hans Sirhan, who was arrested and
is in prison for life for it, was killed him
makes complete sense, whereas like what's his little squirreling name
who killed Lee Harvey? It's like it doesn't really sound
like so Sir Han RFK was a supporter of Israel.
(28:47):
Sir Hans Sir Haan was a Palestinian jordan Jordanian immigrant
and the day, the day that RFK was killed was
on the anniversary of the start of the Six Days War.
So he killed RFK for his support of Israel.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Well, but but there's got to be the weird thing
is what didn't that guy work at the hotel?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
No? Oh he didn't?
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Does that?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
May see the bus boy?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I thought he was like at least dressed up like
a busboy.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Maybe there are people who have dedicated their lives to
studying mission.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
They hate it's so much.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Did that happen at a hotel?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Listen, we am here at my favorite murder. We're fucking
talking mad shit. And if you want something more than that,
then you need to go watch the documentary.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Then read your books.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, Like we're not pretending to be good talkers, no,
uh so. Yeah. And then there's also a theory that
if you listen to the recording, there are more than
eight shots fired, which Sir hauns Sir Hunt only had
a guy in a twenty two caliber with eight rounds
in it. Wow, But you can hear like up to
(29:56):
thirteen maybe, so maybe there's a second shooter.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Well, it sounds like there would have to be unless
it was echoing.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
But I just feel like if you watch documentaries about RFK,
his like his stance on racism and what he was
doing for the poor and for minorities was so extreme
from anything we've anyway we've ever treated people before. I
think our world would have been in a fucking much
better place. I think that, honestly, Like I think that
(30:25):
there was a break in the space time continue him
and everyone else when he didn't die got to live
in a great fucking world and we're stuck in this
bullshit where he got killed. Wow, I really do think
there was like a what do they call them, alternate reality,
alternate reality, a sliding doors during yes flight and Gwyneth
Paltrow we got stuck with her in this one and
(30:47):
then the other one. There's no Gwyneth Paltrow. The other
one at Sandy Bullock the whole time. Yeah, all Sandy
Bullock all the time, good times. Life is better and
here we are.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Well, that's dark, but I kind of think you. I
like the common except of it. Like, imagine a world
where somebody, a leader who actually really did have the
people's best intentions ever got through, because that's almost seems
impossible these days. I think he had.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I think he had that, and I think we didn't
deserve it, and he couldn't. He couldn't live because we
didn't deserve it. I'm such a good person. I'm not you,
and I'm clearly you and I are like the.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Best, right, I'm I'm super nice to everybody all the time.
I'm really understanding patient.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I'm so patient.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I'm so patient and kind.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I don't care when people drive like shit. I won't
scream at them.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I don't scream terrible things out the window of my
car people or at other PEOs.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
We don't sit at a diner and talk shit on
every single person. Oh my god, is it time.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Use our second podcast, Diner Time, where we talk public
mad shit.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Where we don't know we're mic, and we just talked
shit on every single person.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
That would be I feel like I can't believe that
hasn't happened yet. Just truth, just like a well, I mean,
I think there are some people that do podcasts mistakenly,
but the idea of that a gossip podcast where people
just talk shit, you listen to it every if they
put out five a week, you'd listen to everyone.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah. But can we be anonymous and no one knows
who we really are?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Well, we can't ask too late for us?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Well maybe true? Other random girls haven't a podcast done
Farrall adio. Is't that weird? And it's just these two
anonymous girls and they talk mad shit. They sound a
lot like kar those girls from Ohio. Yeah, yoh yeah, yeah,
yeah yea yeah yeah, those girls. They're bitches. Let's talk
shit on those girls.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Let's talk shit, mad shit.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Okay, Yeah, So that's that's Those are two good ones.
Those are those are pretty good ones.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Here's the first thing I thought of when you said,
Robert Kennedy, you know how he had a hand in
shutting down that. I shouldn't get into this one because
it's a whole other topic quick. It's a I think
it was called Westbrook or Brookhaven or Summy Brook or whatever,
but it's that mental hospital that's on Long Island or
(33:07):
Staten Island. I mean that got shut down in the
sixties because they were basically just taking developmentally disabled children
and throwing them into big dark rooms, oh my god,
and hosing them off every day, and like it was
so I think it was one of Heraldo's first expos
as she.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Went in there.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I remember that, and they like on this single light
on the camera, it looks like a horror movie from
today where it's just kids huddled up. And when Robert
Kennedy saw that, he went and shut that place down himself.
That's the first thing I thought of. But that's where
they think there's a serial killer that lives on the
grounds of that hospital.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
There's there's a what's it called something see, yes, there's
a clancy clancy or something like, that's it called I
know the movie there's a Netflix. It's so good.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
It's really good.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
It's called Stocksy.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Cropsy Cropsy, that's it. It's really good and creepy.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Remember a word with Karen and Georgia. Sound it out
and work it out. It's a Banksy. Oh my god,
we just saw who Banksy is.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Banksy's Banksy's killing developmentally disabled children on staff.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah, that's some fucked up shit. And unfortunately they also
then like Reagan, uh and Nixon just opened the fucking
asylums and let everyone go, and which is why we
have this homeless problem and mental illness issue. My mom
was a psychiatric nurse and she in the in the
late seventies and early eighties when that proposition came up,
it was Reagan. It was Reagan. Sorry, sorry, Nixon. Nixon
(34:40):
was long on.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
But she used to ramp about it every single night,
and she called, exactly what's happening today. She's like, these
people will have nowhere to go, they will be wandering
on the streets, they'll be assaulting people. They'll be like,
these people need to be taken care of. And this
is the coldest like the idea that a leader would
be like that you don't take care of the people
that need help the most, and you just shut off
(35:03):
all funding for that and say it's not our problem.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Creates six such huge problems. Listen, I'm gonna say it
right now. I would rather pay more taxes to get
people mental fucking help and not have as much money
myself than live in a world where we don't fucking
take care of people in there are just rampant mental
illness and homeless and starving people.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, and that idea of it's too bad for you,
like I got mine? Yeah, when how did you even
get yours?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
People helped you? Right, totally horrible. Everything is horrible. And
if RFK hadn't died, that would have never fucking happened.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
I could have changed what if he went and fist
fought Reagan and that was like it was an actual battle.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Not hear fist fought something totally else, And I just
can't give it to myself. And that's what I did.
When you said, I was like, why did she say that?
But you thought what I saw?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
You said fist fought a past tense of fistfight is
what I said.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
That's not what I heard. Oh yeah, they should have fought.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
They should have they should have fought.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Uh or where am I? Yeah? In alternative Universeville, there
is just the most beautiful asylums and we go there
sometimes when we just need a break.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yep, you know, all a garden.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah, rest, and everyone knows how to properly prescribe medication.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
And the medication is free, flowing.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Overflowing, just bowls of medication everywhere, like fountains, fountains of prozac.
I'll take it, open my mouth, just like stick my
head under the I get some. Sure, just relax. Yeah,
there's the adderall fountain. It's never abused that great.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Everyone graduates from college.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Oh drugs Okay. So when I listened to this again
for the rewind episode, I just kept saying to myself,
So I say, this stuff about this person changed the world,
would have made the world a better place historically, Like
if they hadn't died, everything would have been better. And
(37:09):
I kept saying to myself, Now, say Martin Luther King Junior,
Say Martin Luther King Jr. But I said, Robert F. Kennedy,
you know, so let's just you know, look at it
through twenty twenty four eyes.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I mean but that is the what you were talking about. Yeah,
it was the case you were talking about, right, right,
but you know, and that is it. Well, there's a
little bit of that is the conversation these days where
it's like people who aren't doing it from the outsider
going why didn't you do it this way? And it's like, right,
I mean, like that's the way we did it.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
It is.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
There's there's a white lady part of it. There's a
like ignorance part of it. There's also just that this
is what we're like focusing on in this moment. Yeah,
so you were just talking about the Kennedys and.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah, oh and the other thing I wanted to point
out is this is how long the podcast has gone on, Like,
this is the cycle. I said to thing about there
being fountains of prozac at a at a institution, and
that shows you that's I was taking prozac then and
I stopped taking it, and it's cycled around I'm taking
it again. Really, so it's this beautiful like circle of
(38:16):
medication and just shows you that you're so it's such
a long journey to find the medication that works for you,
and sometimes this time in your life it works and
this time it doesn't. But it's kind of a full
circle prozac moment for me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I always got to get that mental health message in
there as well, whether it's through your life or you know,
just trends being trendy.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, find what works people well.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
And so we started this on the first episode of
rewind with Karen and Georgia, where we used to have
these pun numbers as our titles, but these days in
the current episodes, we just find phrases from the show.
Should we just read these back and back?
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Okay? Yeah, okay, you want to go first.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
The first one is positive verbal energies, which is us
describing each other like describing ourselves.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
That sounds right. This one's put on a towel. I
remember that because that's like part of the story and
you're like, yeah, duh, put on the towel.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
The Cutest Army, which was us talking about if we
could control cats and make them an army.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
We read your books, meaning we're not giving facts.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
So yeah, you know important. I'm so patient diner talk.
They should have fist fought, Reagan versus RFK, bowls of
medication and fountains of prosa.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I have one more that I wrote down that you
said a jamba juice of facts.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah, if your jamba juice doesn't have orange juice, bananas,
protein powder, or strawberry, right, right, the fewest facts at
any jobs.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
The nagerie of artificial flavors. Should we wrap it up?
Wrap it up? Yeah? Go to Facebook page.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Facebook page, go to any Facebook page anyway, and talk
about us and visit people and just live your life.
Yeah digitally. Yeah, don't leave your house. You're gonna get
murdered if you leave your house.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
And definitely talk about us on Facebook page. Yeah. I
talk about us on Facebook page and tell everyone and
read it to listen. I feel like Reddit people would
like this podcast a lot, but I'm not on Reddit.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
I thought it might be frustrating to some Reddit types
who like facts, facts and like a fluidly chronologically told story.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Please again, go watch the documentary. Is not what we're
here for.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
We're like, we like, we're like a puree. We're like
a jamba juice of facts.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, yeah, that we're like we were like one of
those two guys in uh In Vegas who play with tigers. Yep,
for those guys and tigers, Like, you're not going to
find out the history of tigers, and like what they're
you know what they're about. You're going to see the
best part of the tiger and our tans and our tans.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yeah, yeah, our teeth are tans, the best part of
the tiger.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
And what we don't get mulled by our tiger, which
is the murders that.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Can I just say this and then we'll The day
that there was the story in the paper of how
the it was either Sigfried or Rory, remember which one
got attacked. But the day that was in the paper
about him being mauled by the tiger was the same
day that they caught the Green River killer. And I
remember going from I was reading the La Times and
(41:38):
it went from like one small story turned the page
the other small story, where I was like, both of
these stories are the hugest thing to happen in the
last twenty years, and they're both like four column like tiny,
tiny stories.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
People don't know what's important anymore, No, they really don't.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
It's like our media man is like telling us how
to live. Yeah, well that's a good like that. It's
a little tie, a little bow tie on it, tied
it up good job. Hey, listen to us on other
stuff and go to us on other places. We have
other things, We live other lives sometimes, but we're slowly
building so that this takes over everything. Yeah, make sure
(42:15):
this takes over everything for your life too. Yeah, get
obsessed with this. Yep, there you go. We're Karen and Georgia.
Thanks for listening. Thanks, So all right, well that's another
episode of Rewind in the Can. Should we keep doing them?
Let us know if you like them? Which do you think?
That's right? Is this fun?
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Is it working on your dental hygienist? Did you bring
them over to start listening to our podcast?
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yeah? Let us know.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Congratulations, we're all day one listeners now, Yeah, that's right.
Stay sexy and don't get murdered.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Goodbye, Elvis. Do you want a cookie
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