Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 34: Thirty Let The Bodies Hit The Four - My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Last hell.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hello, hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
That's right, it is Wednesday, So we're looking back on
old shows with all new commentary from us right now, updates, insights,
whatever you might be looking for.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
And today we're recapping episode number thirty four, which we
named thirty. Let the body. No we didn't, Yeah we did,
did we?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah we know, yeah we did. Look it's right there
on paper, thirty.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Let the Bodies hit the four. That is illegal.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
That is we're going way out of our way.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Way. Yeah, we got to stop. We should have been stopped.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
We should have been stopped. They tried. So join us
as we take you back to a day from history
where not one fun or funny thing happened September fourteenth,
twenty sixteenth.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Except for this podcast recording. That's right now. We can
all be day one listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
So let's listen to the intro of episode thirty four.
Let the Bodies hit the thirty four. Let the thirty.
Let the that is no thirty, Let the Bodies hit
the four.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
So's so, how do we start.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Let's focus on a pain free hour.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Okay, I would love that, just a release.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Let's Let's imagine our lower backs. The muscles in our
lower backs red, slowly turning to blue. Thank you, slowly
fading to blue. Release release your sciatic nerve pain.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Hi, this is Georgia on My butt is broken and
Karen is trying to fix me.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Hi, I'm Karen. I'm not a trained doctor or professional anyway,
I thought maybe if I talked in a certain weird
tone of voice, George's butt muscle would unclench.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
It worked were I feel great. This whiskey might be
helping too, But this.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Episode might be a little what we call my family hinky.
Because Georgia has devastating back pain and has been suffering
from it for two days.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
This is real. This is totally I've been suffering the
backpan forever and then I'm mysiatic. Listen, it's a real
interesting If anyone has cures, please.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Just explain it to me so that when you cry
out and then we have to hit pause, they know
what's happening.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
I think I have a I have a slip disc
in my back in the past couple months, and it
has eventually caused my ssiatic nerve to be pinched, and
I am in so much.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Fucking pain at this moment, right at this moment.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
No, but it keeps like clenching and then like I
fucking can't And I got an MRI today, and like
that's that's how I let everyone know that it's serious,
is that I got an MRI today. Like that's you
don't You're not just saying I'm sick, you know, like.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Oh, heat, put a heating pad on it. It's like, no,
I was in a goddamn machine.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
That's I'm sitting on a heating pad.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
That's right, just like one of your cats.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
It's my cat's eating pads.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
It's very cute. Make sure you don't get pinworms.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (03:10):
You know? Like when you hang out and share all
your stuff with your pets, you start getting you get worms.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Like how my cat is sitting on that mechanical pencil
with his asshole right now.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
I put a pencil down and Elvis came over and
sat on it. Asshole.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
First, you didn't even say he placed his asshole on
it delicately and like a yoga instructor.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, asshole down and then the butt cheeks.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Okay, is my immune system better or worse for living
with cats who put their assholes on everything.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
I say, better because you're able to withstand. Now that
your body is filled with bugs, you're able to withstand more.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Every end of my body has basically been asshole.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Listen. I have two shitty dogs that I never clean,
and I sleep with the every night, and every once
in a while I remember to change that pillow case,
and when I do, I go, what do I have?
I'm sure I have fleas in my ears? Have they
crawled into my brain? All these things?

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Our skin would be a lot worse if we were
really sick. Also, I've heard that, you know what I mean,
pretty great skis, says the girl who was acne. I
also heard that children who grow up around pets have
much better immune systems. So I'm basically just a big child.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yes, yeah, I mean we're just trying to get back
some of that youth that we enjoyed so much, surrounded
by an amalia.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
When your back gets fucked up when you're older, what
I know, You're not that old, be young forever.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
I think it's some you just have some emotional releases.
I think if you took a sledgehammer to an old car,
or screamed in certain people's faces, You're welcome to scream
at me at any time.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
I have said I want to open that business where
it's just like you go in the like white painted
room and there's just like dish and a sledgehammer and
like electronic equipment and you just have five minutes to
break shit.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I think they do that in Japan, don't they.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Oh, I'm sure they do.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
I feel like that's something I've seen on the nightly news.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Let's start this.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Okay, Hi everybody?

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Oh, I meant the business. I don't know the podcast. Hey,
but hey, we might as well do both.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Is it housekeeping?

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Oh? Yeah, hey, this is my favorite murder with Karen
and Georgia.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Oh yes, yes, did you know that?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
I hope you knew.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
You clicked on it, mother fuck.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Or maybe your cat's asshole sat on your phone.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
I guess the first moment of Correction's Corner, because that's
why I might as well just always only talk about
corrections Corner. Uh, listen, it turns out Seventh Day Adventists
do give gifts, and I don't even remember talking about that.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
I think it is Jehovah's witnesses that don't. Let's go.
Let's let's start next week's correction corner.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
What if this is a double correction corner.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
No, it was.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
You find her because I just faved it because she
was laughing and saying, I am a Seventh day Adventist.
At Ventist, we do give gifts. I do know that.
I long ago when I worked at the GAP, I
worked with the guy who was a Seventh Day Adventist
and claimed because of that, he didn't have to work Saturdays.
So maybe I do have some some bitterness deep down,

(06:21):
that's what. Yeah, because I was always standing there on
Saturday night. The fuck is Ramone or whatever his name?
But she really enjoyed that. She wasn't mad or anything
or offended. But I guess maybe it's isn't there one
of those religions that just doesn't serve any of the holidays,
that like they're just like, we don't do your holiday.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Jehovah's witness. Okay, do you want me to say it
all more time?

Speaker 1 (06:44):
I want I need to believe it. You just keep
on saying it, But it has to.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Be me accepting Jehovah.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Oh Okay, Jehovahs.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
As like two people who were raised pretty lax in religion, right,
No Jewish near Catholic.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
But no, we were extremely Catholic. Yeah. I still remember
the day my sister and I told my dad we
didn't feel like going to church, and it was as
if we were like fuck you, mister, like it was
the fight we got into by going we don't want
to go to church today. It was unbelievable, like eighteen
Oh my god, yo, yeah, wow, serious Catholic, Irish Catholic,

(07:23):
old school bullshit.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
When you go home, do you have to go to church?

Speaker 1 (07:27):
I well, I do go to church, like I don't
have to anymore because I already went through my pseudo
goth mod punk face. I wasn't able to commit style
wise to any of those things, sure, but I had
the spirit.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
And they mesh. They all mesh.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, it's a lot of black tights and bad attitudes, eyeliner.
But now it's fun because like my niece, it's always
something for my niece or a family party or whatever.
So now I just play along. That's cute and I
and I also am more spiritual than I was back
in those days when I just wanted to kick things

(08:02):
with my big black shoes.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
I'll go to temple, yeah, after my bot mitzv I
was like, fuck this, I will never go to temple again. Right,
But now I'm like, Okay, it's like not about believing
in God, it's about having a community and history and
all this.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, spiritual bullshit. I mean, I think it's natural to
rebel against the structures of our youth. Right, it feels good.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
He's been religion corner with dang dong with religion religion corner?
What was together being you?

Speaker 1 (08:33):
And oh so sorry to the seventh dude?

Speaker 2 (08:38):
So that started.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Uh oh. Also, this is episode thirty four, or as
our listener Daniel at LFC West suggested we call it,
so we will call it thirty Let the Bodies hit
the four, which is just a fucking great Well done you, Daniel.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
That's funny, well done you.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Also, I have to apologize because I called the band
that we were in Entertainment Weekly with. Remember we were
bragging out last week that we were in our chase.
So we're bragg and bragging and this is how I
am where I'm like me, me, me, me me, and
then they'll skim other things yes and speak on it
as if I know what I'm talking about. Well, so
I called the band that we were in Entertainment Weekly

(09:21):
with I called them Sunlit Youth. The name of the
band is Local Natives.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
And that's her album is Sunlit You.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
The album is called Sudden Youth. They're Local Natives, they're
in an LA Native band.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
They're also huge.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
They're huge. We had lots of people telling us the
mist the mistake I made.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
And I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
It's super embarrassing because it just makes me feel like
someone's weird aunt that's trying to hang out at like
a teenage party.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
That's a description of us, or someone's weird aunt who's
trying to hang out at a party.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
God damn it, it's your exactly. There's a lot we
have to face during this episode, and thanks a lot.
Local Natives are really making me get in the face
of my own. But here's the episode. The band's Silversun
Pickups started following us on Twitter, which must mean right,
you wouldn't follow unless it was an accident that happened

(10:10):
to see. Sometimes you just touch a thing and suddenly
you're following it. But there is a chance that the
people that belong to the insanely amazing band Silversun Pickups
listened to.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
This podcast who got their name from the Silver Sound
liquor store in Silver Lake, right by where we're at
right now.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
That's right. So yeah, I mean, let's focus on the
mistakes I haven't made yet.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Indie bands love us true where your aunt listen or
your aunt we support you. You got to love your
aunt common and standing at your show with the big
purse in.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Our arms cross just actively supporting.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
And then telling you later who she saw in the past,
Like what band I Saliott Smith?

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Come on, girl, I mean, who haven't I seen? I
was there back in the day when Beck walked on
stage during that one John Bryan show at the Old Love.
I could tell you got fifty stories like that. Don't no,
I can't. I would never do that to you. You
already have so much pain.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Okay, it's funny how you you're the housekeeping person.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Well, it's always my mistake.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
No, what's always is that I won't cop to my
mistakes or apologize for them.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Badass. I will try to do that more. Mine are
so blatant that people are like, Hi, I love it,
don't be mad, but you completely fucked this up.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, but you know what that's in the past. Who
listens to episode thirty three. No made God, it's just
like so old. It's like so last week.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
It's so our dumb aunt.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
I missed their. I slept through therapy today.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
It's a good sign.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
It's a great sign. It's always a good sign. Mean
blow off therapy. I forgot therapy and my therapist text
me was like, hey, I had you down for four
and I was like, I was on I'm on pills.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
I do that probably every other week, and I have
no excuse.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
You know. I actually I had this really amaz saying
a therapist recently not amazing. She and I didn't work out,
but I liked her. And she said to me like,
I have this thing about being late. I'm never late
and it stresses me out. And I'm like, I get
so angry with myself and I'm late. And I showed
up to my appointment like not even ten minutes late,
and I was like, I'm so sorry. I fucking I'm
a fucking idiot and da da da, And she was like,

(12:21):
what tell me, tell me why it's like what's wrong
with being late? Or like tell me what you can
you should say to yourself about being late? And I
was like, oh, I should, I should say like, it's okay.
No one's a boah. And I kept saying things and
she was like nope. And finally I was like what
do I say? And she was just like, it's okay,

(12:43):
that's it. Yeah, it's okay. Yeah, that's all it is.
It's okay. Everything's okay. It's not like you don't have
to reason with yourself. I missed therapy today.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
It happens. It's okay if you have something else going on,
like you have to give yourself a break, and that
this isn't standard time. Yeah, you have crazy back pain
that's keeping you from like getting up to get a
glass of water. Yeah, so yet you might be fucking
ten minutes late for something.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
And even if I'm five minutes late because of whatever
the fuck reason, it's.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Okay, it's okay. It like the world, you know. I
have to say. My dad said this great thing to
me one time when I was super crazy, had just
flunked out of college. Was really felt like I really
felt like the world was like melting around me, and
he goes, and of course I had to like borrow
money from him. It was like I basically felt like

(13:32):
the biggest failure and like I was always going to
be that that moment I was probably twenty one, yeah,
or twenty and I was I was, I just stamp
myself permanent loser.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, defines the do you think at that age? It's
that defining. It's a defining moment.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, And thank god, at the end of this phone conversation,
my ID goes, hey, listen, really honestly, in one hundred years,
nobody's gonna remember this. And then I was like, oh,
and that is the best advice. Yeah, like live your
life knowing that in one hundred years, Like it's so

(14:08):
scary to some people, like, oh, we all know and
a hundred years I won't be remembered.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, but also you won't be remembered. Yeah, so fucking
relax a little bit, or you will be by your
like great grandchildren. And they're like, my grandma was a
fucking badass. Yeah she did this and this and this.
I'm not gonna be like, can you believe my grandma
didn't graduate college?

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Right?

Speaker 2 (14:25):
No?

Speaker 1 (14:25):
No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Did you see that my dad is now? My dad
texted me that he's listening.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yes, you told me that.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Oh my god, I love it. Can I read everyone?
And you're just not following us in all the places.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Guys? Uh? What
he said? He said, started listening to your podcast and wow,
your voice is great. The interaction is terrific. Let's talk
when you can love dad.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
For further notes.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah, yeah, right, but you also signed it love Dad.
It's like, oh, thank you. Oh. Then he said he
signed a text yes class which love And then he said,
he said, you go girl, not fucking kidding. Yes, I
wanted to call in when you talked about not sitting
next to a window to avoid being crushed by an
out of control car crashing on top of you, and

(15:12):
add that I always sit facing the door like a restaurant. Yeah,
so I can see whoever is coming in to assassinate
me or worse.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Your dad said that. Yeah, okay, now we're getting to
the root of some stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Anxiety, Eve, Marty's got it. Yeah, And I was like,
can you please call and like talk, like leave me
a voicemail about how you deal with anxiety and whatever.
So I hope he's okay with me reading that. Anyways,
So should we well mark this Stephen for a potential
at it that we'll never make.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Well, Hey, here's the thing, though, there's nothing to be
embarrassed about, because this is the human condition. This is
I told you that right when my therapist told me
once that our reptilian brains are built to scan for
present danger and then review for past mistakes. That's all
your brain does constantly. So when you are in that
mode of like you are looking around to see if

(16:04):
a car is coming or who what lunatic is coming
in the door. That is how the human brain works.
So we survive. That's how this saber tooth tiger does
need us. That's the reason that that's the reason the
heart starts are here. Yeah, and the kill character are
here is because our brains did that correctly. So if

(16:25):
that means that we have a bunch of anxiety because
in this day and age, there aren't any wild animals
that are about to jump on our backs and it
doesn't sync up that much, then yeah, give yourself a break.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, but there are murderers, and so we're going to
talk about those murderers. Yeah, after a quick break, we're
going to get to our favorite skippers, saber tooth tiger murderers.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
This week, it's all saber tooth tigers I'd be right back,
and we're back learning that Marty Hardstark has a little
bit of anxiety issue. Maybe learned it through listening to
the show where his daughter talks about her anxiety issues.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, I mean they match. It's almost like their chromozoon matches,
DNA matches.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Does Marty have any back pain or psciatica issues?

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Like she definitely has back pain. Listening to this episode
or listening kind of like hurt me because that sciatica
time period I look back on now and realize it
was all a lot of it was stress and anxiety. Yeah,
and so I want to like go back to Georgia
back then and tell her to read the body keeps
the score. Yeah, she needs to be going to acupuncture

(17:38):
for stress management. I mean, and deal with shit in
your life. That's like when I the therapy was the
most intense and important in my life. Yeah. Yeah, it
was in so much fucking pain. Red light also, everyone
red light? Do red light? There?

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Does red light help for back pain?

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Oh? My god? I use it every night? Yes, Wow,
it's incredible.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Oh that's great.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Infra red light. Don't just like take a light bulb
and have you ever.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Tried an infrared sauna.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yep, I have a sauna sleeping bag that I just
get it, an infrared sauna sleeping bag that I just
fucking tuck into sometimes with cats because they love it
and go to sleep. It's it's incredible for my back.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Oh great, I've been looking at this. I seem good.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
All right, let's get into Karen's story. This is yet
another epic, epic, awful story of one of the just worst,
one of the worst. Yeah, this is Karen's story about
Richard Speck. I'm pretty sorry. I close my computer because

(18:41):
I'm pretty starring. You're first, okay, don't you dare? I
don't like it being we don't I like it never
knowing there was somebody Actually, wait, are we back?

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Sure there was somebody? There was somebody that wrote in
that was like every week, you guys don't know who
it is, why don't you just do even odd number system?

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Now?

Speaker 1 (19:02):
It made me laugh out loud. I was like, do
First of all, I without looking I knew it was
a guy. And then secondly, I was just like, first
of all, enjoy the charm of not knowing. Enjoy the
fact that what we're doing here is like sussing it
out as we go every time, and who wants a

(19:22):
number system?

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Also, here's what happened. Wait are you even?

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Are you hold on? What day is day? I thought
it was the twenty fourth?

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Is this number thirty five? So I'm even?

Speaker 1 (19:31):
No, but I thought that meant that if you were even,
I go first right shares your number system, superstar.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
That's worse, so.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Karen, But thanks for the suggestion, So you.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Go first time. I'm pretty certain that's you.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Well, because I last week was beating myself up for
being such a lazy pants Marie, stop it. I did
what some might call I believe on other murder podcasts
they call heavy hitters. Yeah, I'm this week bringing you
the mass murderer killer Richard Speck. Hey do you know him?

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Fuck? Hold on? Uh yeah, just shout.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
It right into the microphone. When you have pain, everybody wants.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
To hear it. Are you being mean?

Speaker 1 (20:19):
No? I mean like it's going to be part of it.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
That's okay, it's excited on my extreme pain. That's going
to be the.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
We'll just say, just do what you feel, but don't
be don't edit yourself.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I don't know a ton about Richard's Peck, so I'm
really excited about this.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Richard spec has on his Wikipedia pageers a couple pieces
of information that are some of my favorite sentences I've
ever read. For example, when he was six years old,
his father died of a heart attack, and his mother
remarried a peg legged drunk with an extensive criminal record
who she met on a train? Say that again, she

(20:55):
remarried a peg legged drunk with an extensive criminal record.
Who you met on a train?

Speaker 2 (21:01):
My gon.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Now this was long ago enough that there were still
peg leggers around.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
I mean, and you meet people on.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
A train, yeah, and you're and and he's and he's drunk.
So it's like, this guy seems fun and like he's
making the most of life.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Do you think you I have so many questions go on.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
I know, well, also, so you know if he's a
peg leg drunk, that he's probably not going to be
the best stepdad in the world.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
I mean, when back then was a stepdad a kid stepdad?

Speaker 1 (21:28):
I know this, this was really dark days for any
kind of secondary parenting.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
I think it's funny how even today you hear of
a stepdad and you're like and then but then they're like, no,
he was like you have to you have to tell
someone that this is your stepdad, but then say, like
he's amazing, he's the.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Good he's a good kind.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, it actually it's kind of a dirty word. Yeah yeah, Wait,
do you have a stepdad.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
No, my mom has has had a boyfriend for like
ten years who's like the best dude. Great. My parents
divorced when I was a kid and never found anyone
else to marry them, So.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
I got lucky he didn't have You don't have to
deal with any of that shittep.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Kid's stepdad parents.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Weird strange teenagers that now live in your home now.
I supposed to call them brothers.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Like they dated, but like it was fine and not.
My mom's boyfriend's like the coolest dude. That's great.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah yeah, my mom's boyfriend is totally a positive phrase.
And my new stepdad is a nightmare situation.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
So he when he was in third grade, they the
whole family moved to Texas and they would have ten
different addresses in twelve years. Wow, peg Leg Drunk didn't
work out so good. He was obviously drunk, very angry,
very abusive, and also had a bit of a criminal background,
was a forger and just an all around Texas superstar.

(22:57):
So because of that, Richard started drinking himself in sixth grade,
oh my god, and dropped out of school when he
was sixteen. So a dark start early and bad. So
these I'm just going to try to go through these
very quickly. His crimes in Texas are as follows. When
he was nineteen, he met a oh uh, well, I

(23:18):
guess that is. When he was nineteen, he met a
fifteen year old girl at the state Fair and three
weeks later she was pregnant. Dude, technically that's statutory rape.
When his daughter was born, his wife didn't know that.
He was serving a twenty two day sentence for disturbing
the peace after a drunken melee, a phrase I feel
like they only use on Wikipedia. When he was twenty one,

(23:40):
he was arrested for forgery and burglary and sentenced to
three years, but paroled after sixteen months. A week after
his parole, he attacked a woman in a parking lot
of her apartment building with a seventeen inch carving knight.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Is that his first attack against a female?

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yes, As far aside from family, they said that he
was very abusive within the family, but I don't know
if that was just because the whole family was all
fucked down there once they moved to Texas. But this
is his first like adult assault, because it's.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
So weird to go from, like I don't think I
don't think a lot of people go from like burglary
and that's and like fighting outside of a bar to
like attacking a woman alone.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Actually, burglary is a very common like first uh for
and especially for serial killers. They start in burglary, yeah,
just to see if they can. It's like invading people's space,
and then it kind of goes further. But you're right
about the drunken Usually you think just somebody that's kind
of drunk, isn't gonna suddenly pull what is over a

(24:44):
foot and a half long knife on some business. Isn't
that kind of a sword And that's a really fucking
long knife.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
From knife to sword, Like, let's let's get it down.
How long is the sword? Three two feet? You're asking
the wrong. I watched the Knife Show sometimes, but I'm usually.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
I've watched it with you. Cutlery corner, Oh, cutlery.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Oh, that's a good show.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
God damn that's a good show. So she got away luckily.
But he was convicted of aggravated assault given a sixteen
month sentence. That's uh and it was supposed to run
concurrently with his parole violation sentence, but due to an error,
he was released from prison just six months later on

(25:26):
completion of his parole violation. Uh. After, I don't think
this kind of stuff happens as much here in modern
times as this error. Yeah, this weird paperwork jail error
ship get your name or yeah, and suddenly you're free
to go.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, hoping?

Speaker 1 (25:44):
All right, So he gets out of prison. He works
for three months as a driver for Patterson Meat Company.
He has six accidents with the truck before a fired
shit after failing to show up for work.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Now that's what they fire him for.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, yeah, So I guess the accidents he always had
a good reason. I mean, I think this guy is
a real he's good at talking. He's a bullshitter, he's like,
you know, a fast talk.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
He's not one of them low IQ dudes.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
No, he's not one of those. Okay, I don't think no.
So in December nineteen sixty five, on the recommendation of
his mother, he uh moved in with a twenty nine
year old woman who was an ex professional wrestler herself
and a bartender at his favorite bar, Ginny's Lounge.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
She sounds like a fucking bad as.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
I would love to see a picture of her right now.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
I would.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
I would love it.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
I'm want to hang out with her. Oh.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
She also needed someone to babysit her three children. What
so so Richard Speck was her home?

Speaker 2 (26:44):
How's you do you pick the fucking ex con.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, instead of marrying a teen girl babysitter, you go
ahead and get a guy that hangs out of the
bar that you bartend at.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
What the shit man? Guys, Guys, guys in Texas in
the sixties, get your shit together on the if it's day, Okay,
so so so, I love so.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
A month later, his wife files for divorce. The same month,
Richard Speck stabbed a man in a nie fight at
Ginny's Lounge. He was charged with aggravated assault, but his
attorney that his mother hired for him, got the charge
reduced to disturbing the peace.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
How hilarious is that stabbing someone is disturbing the You
know what? It is?

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Disturbing?

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Disturbed?

Speaker 1 (27:35):
I had peace before you did it, so technically that
that was a real good lawyer. So he was fined
ten dollars and he was jailed for three days and
oh no, sorry, he was fined ten dollars and then
he was jailed for three days after he failed to
pay that fine.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Oh my lord, they're.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Letting him off practically scott free, and he's still going, hey,
go fuck yourself.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
So this that was the last time he was in
police custody in Dallas, So this is kind of an
amazing crime. On March fifth, nineteen sixty six, he buys
a twelve year old car and then he the next
night he burglarizes a grocery store, steals seventy cartons of cigarettes,
sells them out of the trunk of the car in
the seeing grocery stoes parking lot. Then he abandons the car,

(28:22):
so the police trace the car back to him, an
issue warrant for his arrest, but that arrest would have
been his forty second in Dallas.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Are you kidding me? Yeah, this sounds like the plot
of Raising Arizona.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
It's son, I Believe you got a penny on your head,
the best movie of all time. I love him so much.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
I love.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Him so much. Okay, So his sister drives him to
the bus depot and he gets a bus and he
takes a bus back to Chicago, where he still has family,
because they're like, you gotta get out of town or
you're done for Yeah, forty two arrests. So on March sixteenth,
nineteen sixty six, he finds out that his wife got

(29:08):
remarried two days after divorcing him, and at the end
of that month, he gets detained by the police for
threatening a man with a knife in a bar. So
Richard Speck in a sentence, he's all about bars, knives
and getting arrested. It's his passion. So this is his

(29:30):
fresh start in Chicago, by the way. So on April third,
he breaks into the home of a sixty five year
old woman in Monmouth, which is where his sister lives,
and that's why he's in this small town in Illinois.
And she comes home at one am because she's been babysitting.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
The right babysitter.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
This is why, Yes, an old lady babysitting. She walks
in the door. There's a man standing in her house,
six foot tall, white man. As she describes him, who
was very polite and spoke very softly with a Southern drawl,
who blindfolds her, ties her up, rapes her, ransects the
house and steals the two dollars and fifty cents that

(30:11):
she had earned babysitting now So, then, on April ninth,
a woman named Mary Kay Pierce, who is a thirty
two year old barrow maid who worked at her brother's
tavern in downtown Mammoth Monmouth.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
I'm sure I'm pronouncing it wrong.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
She was last seen leaving that tavern at quarter to
one in the morning. She was reported missing on April thirteenth.
Her body was found the same day in an empty
hoghouse behind the tavern, and she died from a blow
to her abdomen that rubptured her liver. Whoa so Richard
Speck frequented that bar and he helped build that hoghouse.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Oh no, that was.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
One of the jobs he got, was a carpentry job
his older brother helped him get when he moved to town.
So the month police briefly question him about this woman's death,
but when they show up to the Christie Hotel, he
loves to stay in these flophouses that's through the whole story.
He has left town. But when they search the room,

(31:16):
they find a radio, costume, jewelry, and other items that
the sixty five year old woman had reported missing from
her house after her attack, so now they know. And
then they also find other personal effects that are related
to other burglaries in town. So they know this guy

(31:38):
has done all of this.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
So why did he leave all that shit behind?

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Well because he had to get out of town because
he had killed this woman essentially, and then he was
like high tails it out and then just doesn't care.
So also he's a crazy drunk, so he's not a
good plan or probably packer. So he leaves that small town,
goes back to Chicago to stay with his other sister, Martha.

(32:04):
Uh and Martha had worked as a pediatric nurse before
she got married, which is just an interest to me,
was an interesting a note for later.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Oh yeah, foreshadowing.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
So he.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Goes and he joins the Merchant Marines. His brother in
law recommends that he does that, so it's like it's
consistent work, you know, like you it's it's kind of
like when fuck ups joined the army and to get
a little something in him.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
So it's just kind of same idea. Not that I'll
army people are not in the least please don't, no, no, no,
we support the troops in every way, howmever, some more
than most actually, I mean really.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
But no, but this is like it. And this is
also a thing back in the day, like you join
the Merchant Marines when you're kind of listless and you
don't you know, it's like it, did.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
You rather did it? And I was the best fucking
person ever. Yeah, so I get it. So I get
to talk about it, so you get credit. Yeah, I
got to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
And there's so many ways to make mistakes. I mean,
you have a podcast and you're just trying to talk.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
And you're just speaking, and you just piss everyone off.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
I really support the Marines.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
I guess I want to sorry deviated from.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
The It's really something people used to do. Did you
see Lewin Davis. He was a he was trying to
get on a ship. He just he was like a
loser musician.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
And that doesn't matter. We're not We're not bad people.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
We're really good people. Okay, So he gets he joins
the Merchant Marines, he gets on a ship, four days later,
he gets appendicitis and he has to get air lifted
to a hospital. So he stays in the hospital for
two weeks after his surgery, and he loves the attention
he's getting from these nurses. And while he's there, he
meets and befriends a twenty eight year old nurse's aide

(33:53):
named Judy. So once he gets better.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
He goes back onto the ship, but he is a
drunk and he's also take pills, so there's lots like
me right now, totally you.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
And he had really bad sciatica what oh my god,
and sends it right here on this ship. He gets drunk,
he exposes himself to other crew members, he gets into
fist fights again with the knives. He's all over the
place with the knives. And then finally he gets drunk
and yells at at a superior officer, so they put

(34:29):
what they call put him ashore, which to me visually
is so hilarious. Of like, the boat pulls up and
fucking kicks him off and he gets like stranded in
Upper Michigan.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
They just like boot him off.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
They're just like, get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Wow. They later dated him so hard.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
So hard. So he goes and finds that woman Judy.
The nurse's a Judy. Then he met at the hospital
and he ends up saying at her house. She says
the entire time. He stays with her for like two weeks.
She says, he's a perfect gentleman, showered her with gifts,
took her to dinner and was amazing, and at the

(35:08):
end of the trip she lent him eighty bucks so
he could take the train back to his sister's house
in Chicago. That's the only nice story that you're going
to hear.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
About Richard's back. Glad shed He's okay.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah, she did fine. He gets back on June thirtieth.
By July eleventh, he's overstated is welcome, and his sister
kicks him out of the house. So he goes down
to the maritime Hall to get another job on a ship,
but they keep saying he has assignments and then they
fall through, which must have something to do with the
fact that he got kicked off a ship already, you know,

(35:44):
at one point, so he's just kind of wandering around.
He has nowhere to go. He's broke, so his sister
come and her husband come visit him on July thirteenth,
she gives him twenty five bucks. They sit in her
car and have a conversation. And while they do this,
they're sitting outside a townhouse that is also serves as

(36:07):
a nurse's a student nurses dormitory.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Oh, so basically they have a conversation which I would
imagine would be you gotta let me come back because
I have nowhere to go. And the sister's like, fuck, no, oh,
you're a lunatic. Here's twenty five dollars. See you and
would not want to be you?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Oh no, yeah, so see you in with It's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
So he takes the money, gets a room at a
flop house called the Shipyard in and then he starts
day drinking, which we know never goes well.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Ah, does it for them? Maybe? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Now you're right, I mean, I mean for me.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
For me, it's just like it's just the promise of
an amazing nap, that's all it is.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
That's true for me when I used to drink, I
just knew at some point if I started drink, looking
like around noon at sometime in the evening, I would
be trying to hit someone in the face.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
That's me though, See, I'm like noon to three, hard,
napped to five or six, take a shower, go.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Out again, get back on that horse, or.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Just hang out at home.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, or watch some quality TV. Okay, So what he
does instead is he day drinks and he starts following
a fifty three year old woman from bar to bar
who is also day drinking. Sure, and finally he propositions
her at the last place that they're at, he gets

(37:37):
her to come back to his room with him, rapes her,
steals a black sixteen dollars mail order twenty two caliber
rom pistol.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
That's a lot of details. All of those say that
again black.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
I pasted that, so I didn't realize that they were
going to describe this fucking gun to the tee.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
But mail order is the problem. This is loicking point
for me.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
This, You know what? I wish I could give a
critique on every Wikipedia page because there's so much overwriting
and backwards describing.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
But I but I believe the thing that stuck out
for me, Yes, you rerecorrect about all of that, but
that you could just mail order a gun. Oh yeah,
I mean I guess there's a knife TV show, so
why could I be.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
A fucking gotta have our weapons as Americans by any
means possible. Sure, Uh okay. So after he attacks and
really rapes this woman and steals all her shit, he
goes needs dinner. Then he goes back to drink at
the shipyard in tavern until ten thirty at night. Then

(38:42):
he goes back up to his room and gets dressed
entirely in black.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Oh no, that can't be anything good.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
I mean, he's not a goth, he's not a ninja.
He's armed with the switchblade and the stolen gun. He
walks a mile and a half back to the townhouse
where he was having the conversation with his sister, and
it is it's dormitory. It's I already said that, but
it's functioning as a dormitory for nursing students for South

(39:11):
Chicago Community Hospital Honeys. So he cuts open the screen
on a back window.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
So this screens man screens Yeah, troublesome. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
He cuts open the screen, crawls in the window, walks
up the stairs and knocks on a bedroom door, and
a woman named Cora Zone or Cora Amro opens the
door and sees a man standing there holding a gun
to her, and he pushes into the room. There's two

(39:43):
other women in bed. He gets them out of bed,
and he gets them to come out of the room
at gunpoint and go into a bigger bedroom in the back,
and then they he goes into these other rooms, he
finds women. I'm sure that those he screamed or made
some weird noise. He goes basically into each room, collects

(40:04):
up all the women that are in this dormitory and
puts them all into this back room. And then he
which is to me, I think as I was reading
this kind of a crucial point. He turns off the
light in the room. Then he lights a cigarette and
sits on the floor. He has them sitting in a semicircle,
and he very again politely and in his quiet Southern drawl,

(40:27):
starts explaining to them how he's not going to hurt them.
He just wants money. He's trying to leave town. He's
just going to get a bunch of money from them.
And then he puts out the cigarette, stands up, takes
out a switchblade and starts cutting up a sheet, and
he ties the hands and feet of all these nursing students,

(40:48):
and then he picks up the first girl and like
to go as if to say, you know, we're gonna
go get your purse, like i' you're gonna get me
your money. Yeah, And her name was Pamela Wilkining. And
Pamela fucking spits in his face and says, I will
be able to pick you out of a lineup. Oh no, yeah,

(41:11):
God bless her soul. He takes her into the other
room and he starts to raper and two other nursing
students who.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Had just come home.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Walk in on them.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
So he.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Pushes Pamela down. He takes the other two into another
room and strangles and stabs them and kills them and
leaves them in that room. Then he goes back to Pamela,
stabs her once in the heart. Then he goes back
to the group of women that are waiting in the room,
and they have no idea, but you know, they're hearing
noises totally. And it's that thing where I honestly think

(41:48):
that because a lot of people talk about that, why
would these there was Ultimately there were eight nursing students
sitting in a circle. But first of all, he had
a gun on them. And it's that thing of like
I won't. I don't want to hurt you. I just
need money. So everyone's thinking, and they're nursing students, so
they know psychologically you want to be complicit, you want
to go along, keep them calm. Clearly he's probably drunk.

(42:12):
He was probably very overtly drunk, and he was on speed,
so they were probably just trying to keep everything, like,
doing what he wanted, trusting that he was doing what
he said, which of course he fucking wasn't. So he
goes back in and he just keeps taking them out
one by one, and at one point Cora, the one
who opened the door first, gets out of her out

(42:35):
of her ties, and rolls under a bed and just
stays in there. And then as he's taking them out,
they're hearing noises and they all like they don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
What to do. They're staying staying really quiet.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
And then and she describes all of this later on, Basically,
it's the second to last woman he rapes in the room,
so she sees and hears it, and then he kills
her and she is just pressed up under a bed
against the wall.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Praying yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
So all in all, he killed eight women that night.
Pamela Wilkening who was twenty, Patricia Matuzak who is twenty,
Nina Joe Shmaly who's twenty four, Suzanne Ferris who is
twenty one, Mary Anne Jordan who is twenty, Merlita Gargoula
who's twenty two, Valentina Passion who is twenty three, and

(43:32):
Gloria Davey who is twenty two. And then he walks
out the front door. He throws his knife into the
Calumet River, and he goes home and goes to bed,
the thinking that he has committed the perfect crime because
he killed all of the women, but he didn't because

(43:54):
Cora was still under the bed. She waited until six
in the morning, and then she opened a window and
started crawling out the window, screaming, they're dead.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
All my friends are dead. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
There's a woman across the street who was doing laundry
in her house, and here's what she thought. She thought
a baby was crying, and she opens her front window
and sees Cora out the back window, just screaming out
the window. So she goes over there. Then she wakes
up like the house mother. For all that the dormitories

(44:28):
and this fucking house mother walked through the house. Fuck,
seeing every room there was a different dead body. I mean,
it was. It was a disaster. When the police finally came,
the policeman who was first on the scene had only
been on the force for eighteen months, so he walked
through and he was when he came back out of

(44:49):
the house. This is actually kind of fascinating. Back then,
they had reporters who would listen to the police radios
and they would just drive around and like, you know, oh,
there's a house common fire.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
So this guy that was the reporter that heard this
call was there probably five minutes after this first cop
and when he got there, he said the guy had
his hat on backwards, he his shirt was out of
his untucked. He was walking in circles. He was completely
in shock. And the guy said what's going on? And

(45:22):
he said they're all dead, and this said go look.
And so this reporter walked into the scene and so
he actually talked about it where he said there was
so much blood in the hallway that it came as
you walk through the hallway because it was coming out
of the rooms. Oh my god, that you step down
and it would come up over the sole of your

(45:44):
shoe and to the to the top of your shoe. Fuck,
and they were in every single room. It was so
when the when the rest of the cops finally appear there,
you know, there there's some cops outside, and the cops
would walk into the house and then come out and
throw up, and then the other cops that hadn't gone
in yet were giving them shit like, oh yeah, you know,

(46:04):
maybe E've been on the force too long. Then they'd
go up and they'd come out and throw up, and
every single cop that arrived on the scene vomited.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
You think wanted to be like, I'm going to stay
out of there.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Where they have to go in, right, this's the fucking job.
So that's what a nightmarish insane. And also this was
sixty six, this was before Manson, this was before anything.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
There was no spree killings back then.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Or not really or like the ones that they had had,
like the in Cold Blood one where it's like a family,
but they were like in those beds and it was
gunshot wounds. This was like a knife and strangulation and
just extreme fuck. So uh, they but their fingerprints all
over the scene. So and the FBI comes in immediately,

(46:50):
so they get they find out that it's Richard Speck,
Like within within three days of the attack, they have
his picture. They also have the picture that with the
cord described him to the cops, and that those two
pictures run in the newspaper, alongside the information that he

(47:11):
has a tattoo on his forearm that says born to
raise Hell.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Fuck. Can you imagine seeing like your sibling, Oh oh.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Yeah, like knowing it's him and that he did this
this thing that is beyond monstrous, like beyond So when
when Speck realizes his pictures in the paper, he can't
go anywhere. He can't He's in this flophouse and he
doesn't know what to do, so he commits tries to

(47:41):
commit suicide. He attempts suicide, drinks a bottle of old wine,
breaks the bottle, and then slashes his wrists. But then
at the eleventh hour calls downstairs and says, call an
ambulance because I'm dying, And so they take him to
the let's see. They take him to Cook County Hospital

(48:02):
and doctor Leroy Smith, who was a twenty five year
old surgical student, had read had just read the newspaper.
I saw the born to Race held tattoo detail and
when he walked up on this suicide case, sees that
tattoo and says, I think he just immediately called the cops.

(48:22):
But then later when Richard Speck asked for water, he said,
did you give any of those nurses water? And just
walked away. Oh fuck So. But then the cops were
actually very careful. They like stayed around him the whole
time because they knew this was this situation where like
he could get killed before he ever gets tried, because

(48:45):
this is he is such like for three days this
Chicago was in total terror. So also there were concerns
because there was a recent miranda case that vacated a conviction.
Actually a number of criminals vacated a bunch of convictions.
So they didn't even question him for three weeks because

(49:06):
they had they needed to make sure everything was like
going to go exactly how it was supposed to go
for the case saying yeah. So when they finally do
bring him to trial, they have to move it to Peoria,
which is three miles away from Chicago, because they know
there's no way they can get him a fair trial
in Chicago, and there's a gag order on the press,

(49:27):
which they used to do. I don't know why they
don't do that anymore.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Oh right, where like you just can't publish.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Yeah, I mean there's no reporters allowed. And they let
the whole thing proceed as it would naturally.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Which would make sense because once they're caught and going
to trial, you don't need to know anything.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
You just tell us what happened.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Yeah, yeah at the end. Yeah, it's not the world.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
We live in, that one. So the beautiful part is
they were so worried about Cora because of what, you know,
this horrible thing she went through. She has to face
him in court, and they were really worried that she
wasn't going to be able to do it. Not only
did she fucking do it. When they said can you

(50:10):
identify the killer? Is he in this room? She stood
up from the witness box, walked over to Richard Speck,
pointed into his face, and they said, she almost touched
his face and said this is the man.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Holy shit, And I just gave myself.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Chills, and they I love that so much, Yeah, because
it must have been the fucking scariest thing in the
world totally, And she practically flicked his cheek and that's amazing,
they said, because of that eyewitness account. The jury deliberated
for forty nine minutes before they came back with a
death penalty.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
So on June fifth, Judge Herbert J. Passion sentenced Speck
to die in the electric chair. But they Illinois had
to reverse his death penalty because they said that they
unconstitutionally excluded potential jury members when they were trying to

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find the jury. So instead, the judge that was forced
to get to vacate the death penalty gave him twelve
hundred years in prison. So every time he came up
for parole after in all the years he was in prison,

(51:34):
he was denied within ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Good can't believe he even got a chance to plead
his case for parole.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
I mean, I think the thing at the end of
the day, because they you know, they did they examined him,
you know, for like, was he insane? He does he did?
He not know what he was doing? Was he incompetent
or whatever? And there was a psychologist or they did
it examine of his brain and they did see that
the hippocampus, which involves memory, and the amygdala, which deals

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with rage and strong emotions encroached upon each other and
the boundaries of the two were blurred. And a neurologist
who examined those the photos of those tissue samples, because
the real tissue samples were sent to a Boston neurologist
for further study and were lost or stolen, of course,

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but a neurologist who examined photos of the tissue samples
along with the results of an EEG said, I've never
heard of this type of abnormality in the history of neurology. Weird.
So any abnormality that exceptional has got to have.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
An exceptional consequence. Wow.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
So it's all that combined with the you know, the
perfect storm of the horrible father, of the childhood abuse.
And he also was diagnosed with the organic brain syndrome
because of the.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
H his head as a kid.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
That's right, he fell from a tree at White Rock
Lake when he was an adolescent and he suffered cerebral injuries.
Kind of bitch, it's there again, Isn't that the weirdest
thing in the world.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:24):
So, but anyway, also, I would just like to say
he took reds I think is what they called them
at the time, which was basically speed, and he would
take like handfuls of them at a time. And as
a person who took Fenn Fenn in the nineties, I
would just like to say I would take two a day,
and I was a monster. I was a lunatic on

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those pills for like two years. The fact that he
like abused that kind of like amphetamines, he must have been.
I mean, he's already crazy, monster, already a monster, and
then he's on pills that make you even more of
a monster. So just to kind of, like, you know,
to somehow connect with what happened in that dormitory, because

(54:11):
it was like living hell. Yeah, and that's what drugs
do to you. Fuck. I mean, not to be your
mom about it, be my aunt. Look the weird ant
is here in every way. Don't do what I do. Kids.
Here's the thing that everybody talks about about Richard Speck. Though,

(54:31):
aside from that terrible killing and being this like loathed
mass murderer, there's a very famous video that got sent
to Bill Curtis, our man Bill Curtis, that someone, an
anonymous attorney, sent it to Bill Curtis in nineteen eighty

(54:52):
eight and someone inside the sorry the jail where he was.
So I don't know if it's cook Count or if
it was in a different jail, but someone they made
a video of what the what it was like to
be a prisoner in this jail. And this is the
video where where Richard Speck is in women's underwear and

(55:16):
no shirt and he has small women's breasts because he
was taking hormones to transition. While he was in jail,
he was able to smuggle hormones in, so he had
basically had like kind of like very perky be cup breasts.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
I've never seen this.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
It's so disturbing. He's just and he sits there with
no shirt on, with his little boobs in women's underwear,
talking about these murders and it is fucked well. He's
clearly trying to be the big man because there's another
prisoner sitting next to him. So he's just talking about
how strong you have to be to strangle somebody and

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it's not like you see it on TV. It takes
a long time.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
And he talks about how the one of the women
that he killed was flirting with him. Just crazy shit
that like when you see it, you're like, yeah, it's
so they showed it. The Illinois legislature packed an auditorium
and they showed it what and they ended up turning
it off when it came to the part where Richard

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Spex started filating the prisoner that he was sitting next to.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
What the actual fuck?

Speaker 1 (56:33):
And it was basically they some I read somewhere that
it said that they did it because they wanted to
bring the death penalty back. They were mad that Illinois
got rid of the death penalty, and they were it
was basically trying to say, this is what's happening. They're
just sitting in prison, you know, having this great time.
And that was one of the quotes Richard Speck said,
if they knew how much fun I was having.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
In there, in here, they set me free. Oh my god, dude.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
But too bad for you, because Richard died of a
heart attack in prison. Good and they say, no one
claimed the body, but he was cremated and his ashes
were sprinkled somewhere, so somebody must have done something.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
They really sprinkled.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
They didn't say somewhere near Juliet. Fuck. And that is
the super bummer story of Richard's beck.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
What a piece of shit? Yeah, yeah, Okay, wow, wow,
so dark. Yeah, Karen, do you have any updates?

Speaker 1 (57:34):
I do. Let's see.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
So.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
In the year leading up to the trial of Richard
Speck and those murders, the sole survivor, cor Zone Amrau
became friends with the four policemen who guarded her while
she was in productive custody. They took her shopping, they
took her to mass they taught her how to play poker,
and then when it came time for her to testify,

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she asked for them to sit in the front row
so that basically they were there for her while she
did the hardest thing.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Wow, that's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
And then ultimately she went back to the Philippines. She
got married and then moved back to the US with
her family, and she worked as a nurse in Washington,
DC area until she retired. And now she is in
her eighties. She's a grandmother. She's described as a very
happy person who enjoys life and laughs a lot, and
she still likes playing poker like those cops taught.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Oh my god, I love her. I want her to
be my grandma.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
I mean again, it's like such this I feel like
happens all the time when we talk about survivors. These people.
The reason we love talking about them is like it's
such an an inspiring kind of galvanizing thing for yourself
and the difficulty that you feel like you might be
going through. You hear a story like that here Cora
Zone being such an incredibly strong like getting through it,

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making her life like slely saying fuck you to that
experience and making a life where she's happy.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Being brave and then also asking for something that she needs,
like having those four officers in the front row, Like
what an incredible, incredible person in spirit.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Now it's time for Georgia's story. This one is about
the Port Arthur massacre.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
We're about to give a big old high five to Australia,
oh by talking about the deadliest mass shooting in Australian history,
the Port Arthur massacre. Fuck, here we go. So it
was early nineteen eighty seven. Martin Bryant, nineteen year old

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dude IQ of sixty six. Yeah, that face you're making
is correct. Meets a fifty four year old woman. She's
a haiss to a lottery fortune.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
I'm sure I don't know. Did you call her a hairess?

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Did I call her an heiress? One pain billed heiress.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
I'm an heiress. I was like, she's one of the
hairesses we start. No, no, we cannot. You guys so
much pain right now, here's the pain.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
I'm in, so much pain.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
She's a hairess.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Sorry, sorry, no, you're I'm glad you pointed that out otherwise,
like what the fuck? All right, fifty four year old
Helen Mary Elizabeth Harvey is an heiress to a lottery fortune. Well, sorry,
if you win the lottery, like, I don't know if
this means so can call yourself a hairess. Well, I
don't know if she's a hairess to. It's a share

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in the tattered Saul's lottery fortune, so they could be
like the head of a lottery. Got it. I don't know.
Australia is different than here.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
I guess if you started the lottery, we're the richest
one of all dude, Okay, yeah, got it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Got it? So? Uh So he's a lawnmower and he
meets her while he's looking for more customers, and they
befriend each other. He becomes a regular visitor to her.
All right, you ready for some fucking Gray Gardens action? Hello? Yes,
all right, neglected new Town mansion and assists was tasks

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such as feeding their fourteen dogs that are living inside
the house. Yes, like me and the forty cats living
inside of the Karen. You and I need to move
there immediately.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
All of our cat and dog dreams can come true.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
And we have a hot, stupid nineteen year old fucking
doing shit, just mowing that lawn. That's a Gray Gardens shit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
I mean, first of all, the level of dog and
cat fighting. If you had sixteen dogs and forty cats,
what the fuck cats win? I would just be walking
around all days done it. That's smoky.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
You know, they're like they nice to your.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Assistant for you to do it with an Australian accent,
I won't even I can.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
I don't have to piss off a bunch of more
Australian hunter after incorrectly saying that one of their murders
was from or one of New Zealand's murders was New
Zealand Day. They're the ones that got PiS's true and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
They're the ones you don't fuck with.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Yeah, Lord of the Rings, Okay, go ahead, Harris anyways, Harris,
I like Harris Harris so In June of nineteen ninety.
The family or the house was finally reported to the
health authorities, and medics found that Mary and her mom
were in need of urgent hospital treatment. The seventy nine

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year old mother, Hilva, died several weeks later. A cleanup
order was placed, and Martin's father was like going to
try to help clean everything up because he's like taking
care of his stupid son all the time. So should
you be saying that, well, he is a mass murderer.
I don't think anyone cares.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
That's okay, Okay, No, you're right be saying this. I
don't know. I'm so there's so scared of correction corner.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
I mean, you're correct, My correction corner just keeps getting bigger.
You come correct, that's right, corner, Let's come correct. Yea.
So Mary invites Martin to live with her in this
mansion and they start spending huge amounts of money. They
purchase more than thirty new cars in less than three years.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
What I know that this is the Harriss, the Harris
and her lawnmower.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Harris and are hot? I don't know if he's hot.
Her fucking new boyfriend got it? Yeah? Are wait?

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Are they boyfriend go it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
I don't know. I don't think it's explicitly, says, but
I think it's like, if they're not boning, there's some
like relationship. Okay, got it. So, so Martin is reassessed
for his pension, and a note attached to his paperwork says,
at the time, father protects him from any occasion which

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might upset him as he continually threatens violence. Martin tells
me he would like to go around shooting people. It
would be unsafe to allow Martin out of his parents' control.
That's why I said, have to take care of his
stupid son, right. Oh, got it? Not because I'm a
terrible person. Right. So in ninety one, Mary and Martin

(01:04:14):
moved into a seventy two acre firm, and the neighbors
said he always carried an air gun and offered fired
at tourists as they stopped to buy apples at a
stall on the highway, and he would roam around the
property find the gun at dogs when they barked at him,
which is probably always because he was a piece of shit.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Also, when you fire guns, that makes dogs bark, So
it's kind of a self perpetuating situation there. You go
dog expert.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Gun firing gun a dog expert.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
But it was an air gun, that was he was
firing an air gun. So he was just he was
just going to emotions, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Yeah. So then on October twentieth, nineteen ninety two, Mary
his Harris was killed in a car wreck and her
car veered on the wrong side of the road and
hit an oncoming car directly, and Martin was inside the
car at the time of the accident, and he was hospitalized.

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But he was investigated by police because he had a
habit of lunging for the steering wheel and she had
already had three accidents as a result of him doing this.
Hold on, yeah, then what after the first time? Aren't
you like you don't get to come into the car anymore?
She was an old harriss and like she needed company.

(01:05:36):
She hit. Yeah, but my brother, if he's in the
car with me and I'm driving, he fucks with me.
I mean, he doesn't one to the steering wheel, but
he fucking won't stop turning the fucking windchillwipers on every
five fucking minutes. When we're stopped at the stop light.
He pulls the emergency brake every fucking time did that
fuck with me?

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
That reminds me of my cousin Stevie when he finally
got his license. I was like ten and he was sixteen,
and he would drive me home from school and then
as he was driving down the road, you go dead
body and just fall over, and I would have to
jump over and start steering from the passenger seat.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
It's so dangerous.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
He did shit like that constantly.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Can I out Marty my dad real quick? When we
used to fucking he used to drive us up to
Lake Arrawhead where he lived for a while, like these dark,
windy roads, and we'd say, Dad, how would I drive?
And he'd go, Georgia would drive like this, and then Lee,
how would I drive that?

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Lee?

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
You would drive like this, dark fucking mountain, like no
guardrail over Georgia would drive. I think it was just
a shut the fuck, like, just shut us up. Yes,
after four?

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Well it's boring, yeah, I mean it's boring to hang
out little kids. It's a boor, man, I don't make
it interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
We almost died so many times.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
God, that's so hilarious. I remember one time being so
small that I could stand up in the back seat
of my dad's VW Bow. I could stand behind the.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Driver's sit on the seat.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
I was standing on the floor of the car. I
was as tall as the seat, so I was probably five,
and I thought it was really funny. I reached up
and just covered my dad's eyes and his reaction was
to start laughing. But he was like, knock it off,
knock it off, and he would pull up my hands
and then that was like the game on that car trip.

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So I would do it, and then the next time
I do it was like a little crazy monkey. I
wouldn't take my hands off, like he couldn't peel and
he was like, God, Jesus Christ, I'm done, Yill, you
had to let go. I can't see it was now.
I'm just having all these recovered memories of because we
lived out in the country too, so you had a
lot longer before something bad was going to happen, when

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stuff like that was going on.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
How are we alive? I don't know. Maybe we're not.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
You know what, Maybe this is a Jacob Slaughter situation.
That's not nightmare.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
It's just like going pretty well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
It's pretty fun, you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
I like it. That's why we're number one, is because
it's just the truth. It's just not real. There's like
no way in real life.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
A massive hallucination, and then we're about to get dropped
into the bowels of him.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Yeah. Chris Hardwick is like, why would you think that
this would be real, that you would be bigger than me?

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Oh? Please, No, one's bigger than Chris hard My head hurts,
okay what.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
And bye my butt? So d da Okay. He was
the sole beneficiary of her will and came into yes,
but five hundred and fifty thousand dollars not much money. Well,
I guess you know, after taxes. Yeah, and he didn't
know shit about money. His mother applied and was granted

(01:08:44):
guardianship of the money, so his assets were under the
management of public trustees because he had diminished intellectual capacity.
I see, you know what I'm saying. So after her death,
Martin's father, Marie, looked after the farm that they had
fucking lived on with all the animals, and he returned

(01:09:08):
home after the hospital as a convalesce. Let's see, his
father had been prescribed antidepressants, and two months later, on
August fourteenth, a visitor looking for the father, Maurice, found
a note saying call. The police pined to the door
and found several thousand dollars in his car. There was

(01:09:32):
no criminal intense to suspected. Let's see. They searched the
property without success. Divers were called to search the four
dams on the property, and on August sixteenth, his body
was found in the dam close to the farmhouse, with
one of Martin's diving weight belts around his neck. Police

(01:09:54):
described the death as unnatural and that the death was
ruled a suicide and Martin Martin inherited his father's money
as well.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Sorry they okay, no, no, just they ruled it unnatural.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
I think, meaning he had committed suicide. Not that, okay, okay,
dang okay. Yeah, So like he didn't fall in on accident,
I got it, okay. So Martin comes becomes super weird.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
He change. Now he's by himself.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Yeah, I think his mom. His mom like can't keep
custody of him. So he's living on this place. He
becomes super weird. He starts where he starts instead of
dressing normally, wears gray linen suit, crap cravat. I don't
know if it is.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
That's a French for a tie.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Thank you. Linen's skin shoes and a panama hat while
carrying a briefcase during the day, telling anyone who listened
that he had a well paying career.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
So he's playing successful adults.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Yeah, God, and he got super lonely. He starts visiting
various overseas countries more than fourteen times in two years. Oh,
it's sickly living life all of us want without the
murder part, right, I don't just like enjoy it, dude. Yeah,
he hates all the destinations he goes to, but he
enjoys the flights as he could speak to the people

(01:11:14):
sitting next to him who had no choice but to
listen and be polite. Okay, yeah, this is when you
stop having any there's no Yeah, he's getting shit faced
all the time. He's drinking a lot of boozs. Oh,
I wanted to tell you that he drinks half a
bottle of sambuca and a bottle of Irish Bailey's Irish
Cream every day, supplemented with port wine.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
When I'm twenty three? Does they also smoke clothes?

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
That is all just the sweetest, that's man.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
No, that's like saying you want just drink a milkshake.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
That's the equivalent of hitting your head as a kid. Really,
you know what I mean? Wait, Sambuca and Bailey's Sambuca
Bailey's and port wine, which is just sweet dessert wine. Oh,
it's disgusting.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
That's like drinking barf.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Yeah, he's drinking. What like a sorority girl drinks her
first time drinking? Yeah, and or second. All right, day
of the shooting. Sorry, here we go. His first victims
are poor, poor David and Sally Martin no relation. Oh wait, no,
his first name is Martin, so of course it wouldn't
be anyways. Moving on, they own They own the bed
and Breakfast guest house that the Martins had bought. So

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this family had bought the BMB that Bryant's father had
wanted to buy, and he believed that the Martins had
deliberately bought the property to hurt his family and blamed
them for the depression that led to his dad's debt.
So he shoots them in the guest house. And then
he goes to Port Arthur Ruins and he enters the

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Broad Arrow Cafe. He eats, and then he goes to
the back of the cafe, sets a video camera on
a vacant table, takes out a semi automatic rifle and
begins shooting Paige and staff. Within fifteen seconds, he'd fired
seventeen shots, killing twelve people and wounding ten. Then he
walks to the other side of the shop and fires

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twelve more times, killing another eight people and wounding two.
He then changes magazines before fleeing, shooting six people in
the car park and from his cars he drove away.
Four were killed in an additional six were injured.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Oh my fuck, and he recorded it on a video camera.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Guy's a piece of shit drives down the road.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
He's crazy though, I mean like that's He's not okay
in any way.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
He's insane. Oh. He goes down the road. Wait, it
gets worse. There's a woman and her two children walking.
He stops and fires two shots, killing the woman and
the child she was carrying. Oh, only the older child
gets killed too. I don't want to. Then he steals
a BMW by killing all four of its occupant.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
God damn.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
And a short distance down the road, he stops beside
a couple in a white Toyota and drawing his weapon,
ordered the man into the boot of the BMW. After
shutting the boot, he fires two shots into the windscreen
of the Toyota, killing the female driver.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
He goes back to the guest house with the guy
in his trunk, sets the sets the stolen car and fire,
and takes the hostage inside with the okay, with the
corpses of the BMB people. So he goes back to
the b but he didn't light the carn fire and
leave the guy and say okay, okay. The police get
there and they try to negotiate for many hours, and

(01:14:37):
then the phone dies in the battery phone dies. His
only demand was to be transported army helicopter to an airport.
Like you're gonna fucking get away, dude, Just.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Well sixty six IQ, he's just improving.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
So at some point he kills his hostage. The next morning,
it's been eighteen hours since he's been there, he sets
fire the guest house and attempts to escape. He gets
burns on his back and butt and was captured and
taken into the hospital and he's treated and kept under
heavy guard. So initially he pleads not guilty to the

(01:15:14):
thirty five murders oh my god, and didn't provide any confession. However,
he changed his fleet of guilty before before a court
hearing on in November nineteenth, nine ninety six, found guilty
of all charges. The judge orders at all evidence for
the case be sealed. I don't understand. I guess he
just doesn't want the video to get out. You'll probably

(01:15:36):
right if he's already, because if he's already pleaded guilty.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
He's going to go to jail.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
So yeah, that guy. That guy was like, we're shutting
this circus down. Now, may this be a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Oh that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
He's sentenced to thirty five life sentences as many people
as he killed, plus one thousand and thirty five years
in prison. So he's still there in solitary confinement. No
one but his immediate family is allowed to visit him.
He's never to be released, it says, no parole, which
is very rare in Australia. The majority of murder sentences

(01:16:09):
allowed for the possibility parole after a long prison sentence.
So his motivation for the massacre remains a guarded secret,
only known to his lawyer, who is bound not to
reveal without his client's consent. So we don't know what
triggered it, why he started, what made him fucking go

(01:16:30):
over the edge of But obviously.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
All of these like slow build for a while. Yeah
that I had described, and there's they don't suspect that
he killed his father and made it look like a suicide.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
I don't think so no, Oh that's wow. So yeah,
so the Port Arthur massacre. But I mean it brought
everyone together, It made people aware and yeah, it's just
this horrible thing. So Martin Bryant Dick did.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
I mean like what, I guess you wouldn't know, but like,
it just makes me think was that location part of
his reason, part of the thing that hasn't been explained.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Totally, like or like, was there one person of those
thirty five that he was specifically targeting the video?

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
It just freaks me out.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Why would he Yeah, why would he put a video camera?

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
It's so like, yeah, there is such a plan in place, obviously, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Such a like I want everyone to know how like
how I feel. It's almost like this, look at what
Look how awful I feel? Yes, right?

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
And also look what I can do? Yeah, and look
what it's that thing I'm like that's guns is like,
look at the control I have over the world I
live in?

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
It? How little safety you actually have even though you
think you have.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
It's my world. You're just players in it, right right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
And the moment you think you think you have the
serene safety, and I can fucking change that in a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Also, I wonder what if he had head injuries in
that car accident, I mean a head on collision where
the one person dies.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
I think he did.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
God, that's heavy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
I know. Should we read a hometown?

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Isn't this nine hours long? Already?

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
You're right? Let's do a separate home summer next week?
All right? Thanks for listening. You guys are the best week.
Oh we love you. And I forgot how we ended
this some month.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
Oh I know how we end by me telling you
to stay sexy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
And me telling you don't get murdered. Elvis wants a cookie.
He knows, Elvis, I know he don't want to cookie.
He totally knows. Good boy. Thanks for listening, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Byee, we're back Georgia. Two questions, do you have any updates?
And can you pronounce the word airis now heiress?

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
I say it all the time now just to show off.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Honestly, you're learned how much you've learned on this show?

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Oh, oh, heiress, Why did you just say that?

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Is there an heiress in the attic?

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
All right? So some updates. Following the massacre, Prime Minister
John Howard spearheaded stricter gun control measures in Australia and
this led to the development of the National Firearms Agreement
or NFA in nineteen ninety six. The NFA makes it
clear that owning a gun, hey think of this is
a privilege, not a right that is only allowed, and

(01:19:34):
public safety is guaranteed, remember them, the public. Yeah, and
there's fucking safety. It banned people from owning fully automatic
and semi automatic guns no one fucking means those, created
consistent rules around gun licensing and registration across the country,
and instituted a buyback program that resulted in seven hundred
thousand guns being surrendered to authorities and destroyed. And that

(01:19:57):
was about a third of all the guns Inustralia. Just
shows you that people wanted that change. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
People don't want to live in fear like this. People
don't want to hear about children being murdered in grammar
school like people don't want this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
I don't want to hear about like the new fangled
fucking bulletproof backpack for children.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Yeah, it's not their responsibility, all right. Well that's a
that's a lot of show right there. And the original
title of this big show is don't say it again
thirty Let the bodies hit the four. We'll never have
to say it again. Oh my god, I mean whatever,
it's the past. What could we do in the future?

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Twenty sixteen come on so long ago, so we would
today in the future, we would name it maybe a
pain Free Hour. When you're talking to me in a
soothing voice about my awful ssiattica.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
And then there's also when we were talking about we
never know who's supposed to go first in every episode,
and somebody said the charm of not knowing, that's a
really good one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
That explains so much about this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
I feel that is us in capital letters right there.
Charming and not knowing, ignorant, charming, blissful. Thank you guys
so much for being here with us in this little review.
We're glad that you like this. We're glad that you
like this podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
We appreciate you and all of the things we like
you back, stay sexy, and don't get murdered. Goodbye, Elvis,
do you want a cookie,

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