Caleb Landry Jones & Jojo T Gibbs (Dogman) & Black Oxygen

Step behind the curtain with Kyle McMahon, as we illuminate the trials and triumphs of some of Tinseltown's finest. Caleb Landry Jones and Jojo T Gibbs kick off the star-studded lineup, revealing the intensity of their performances in Luc Besson's "Dogman" — a film that promises to keep audiences on the edge of their seats with its flashback-driven storytelling. Meanwhile, the unstoppable Lyle brothers of Black Oxygen share their journey from battling bands to making a barbecue sauce that's as fiery as their music chart success.

The melody of perseverance sings loud in the tale of Black Oxygen's David and Nick Lyle, who've turned their brotherly bond into a business empire that dances between hit tracks and a successful venture into fashion and culinary delights like Black Oxygen Bangin' BBQ Sauce. Their strategic approach to the music business is a masterclass in entrepreneurial creativity, and their chat unfolds into a blueprint for making a mark in the industry. It's all about the hustle, the music, and the unique narrative that takes a life of its own—one that's as dynamic as the roles they will soon embody in their silver screen debut.

As the final act, we peel back the layers of what it takes to transition from the recording studio to the movie set, exploring the strategic release of Black Oxygen's summer-vibed album, carefully planned alongside their film debut and tour dates.

So tighten your laces, or slip on your Crocs if you're feeling adventurous, and prepare for a podcast episode that dances between the lines of music, film, and the relentless pursuit of dreams.


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Episode Transcript

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In this episode of Pop Culture Weekly, I talked to the stars of the
brand new film dog Man, includingCaliblandri Jones, and Jojo T. Gibbs.
Plus I talked to the amazing brothersof Black Oxygen, the great band
with a brand new viral hit.Let's go. Welcome to pop Culture Weekly
with Kyle McMahon from iHeartRadio your popculture news, views, reviews and celebrity

(00:24):
interviews on all the movies, TV, music, and pomp culture U Crabe
Weekly. Here's Kyle McMahon. Nanert na, na no nert. Hello,
Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with KyleMcMahon from iHeart. Of course,
I am Kyle McMahon, and Iam so happy that once again you are

(00:46):
hanging out with me to discuss allthings pop culture. We have a great
show for you today with awesome interviews. We I'm saying, wee like there's
a whole bunch of me, there'sonly me. I talk with Caleb Landry
Jones and Jojo T. Gibbs.They star in the new film dog Man,

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which is a new film from LukeBassan written by Luke Insane. Movie.
So Luke, if you for somereason don't know, is a French
filmmaker behind such incredible films as lefemNikita, The Messenger, The Story of
Joan of Arc, The Fifth Element, Lucy Valerian in the City of one

(01:30):
Thousand Planets, Leon the Professional Takenwith You know Liam Neeson. He's got
Dracula a Lovetail coming up next,which I am really excited for. But
his brand new film is dog Man. Dog Man. It is insane,

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but like in a great way.So it's about this man Doug, who's
arrested while driving a truck full ofdogs. And Doug is played by Caleb
Landri Jones. You then meet JojoT. Gibbs who plays his psychiatrist Evelyn,
and she's sent to interrogate him,and then through flashbacks, he tells
the story of his life where hewas a victim of anyway. It is

(02:17):
batshit insane and I love this movie. It's really really great and it is
out Depending on when you listen tothis today, well I guess no matter
when you've listened to it, it'sout today, but it's well worth your
time. So I talk with Caleband Jojo from dog Man and then and

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first up I talk with the boysfrom Black Oxygen David and Nick Lyle.
They are brothers. They are incredibleguys that you just want to hang out
with him. David is singer,lead guitarist. Nick does drums, keyboards
obviously vocalist as well. They've releasedthree studio albums and one EP so far,

(03:04):
but they are currently making huge waveswith their reimagining slash cover of the
classic song butterfly By originally from crazyTown. The video on YouTube, which
you can check out at the linkin the show notes, has over three
million views already. It is crazy. You know, it's been at the

(03:28):
top of the Apple charts. Youknow, it's awesome, really really great
song. I love it and Ilove their videos too, and they're very
hands on with everything that they do. So we're going to start out with
the boys of Black Oxygen. Let'sget it. What's up. Kyle McMahon

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here with iHeartRadio pop Culture Weekly Weekly. I am here with Black Oxygen to
brothers David and Nick. Thank youfor joining me. I really appreciate it.
Thanks for having us. We're happyto be here. Thank you for
taking the care in our music,of course. So we're going to get
into this single that's been blowing up. But I want to go back for

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a minute first, if you don'tmind. From what I know of you
guys, you got your start witha kind of battle of the bands,
right, that was kind of likewhat shaped the future for you? Is
that right? Yeah, we dida battle of the bands where you're up
in Kansas City. We lived herefor ten years. But we did a

(04:31):
guitar competition that I won first placeas well. And then there was a
producer that got our music, flewus out to la with Jamie Fox in
the studio, so got to reallysoak up the vibe, meat a lot
of music contacts and put out recordsof our own and and you know,

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we got a many top Billboard hits. And then we have a world famous
first place barbecue, sauce, Waltzand Walmart. They came after the music,
and yeah, we did this thisnew butterfly and that's a really cool
story. And and then like nowthings are taken off to a whole new
level. It's I really appreciate thatblessing. And now there's like all the

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major labels hitting this up for dealsand stuff. So it's that I guess
you could say that's that's the nutshellof the career and start to tell today.
Well, and you had, youknow, you've had what I think
with your last album twenty nineteen,you had a number one, number one
song on the rock charts, right, Yeah, that was most added Billboard
mainstream Rock. There was even asong and video on there with the friend

(05:36):
of ours Tech nine. I don'tknow if you know who is. Yeah,
of course video legend as well,and uh, you know a lot
of a lot of great collaborations.Uh. There either was a video on
that particular album, The Times ofOur Lives that a friend of ours,
Danny Treo, was in a shortfilm out of one of this song's Life
is Beautiful as well. So he'samazing. Yeah, he's a legend.

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Yeah, he's cool. So there'sbeen a lot of cool things. I
mean after we put that record out, the Barbecue Sauce came out with the
Food Network Chef Stretch. So thingshave things have just you know, taken
taken the growth with you know,just putting in the hard work, putting
in the hours and pushing every day, pushing, yeah, yeah, pushing.

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And I got to ask, howdid the Barbecue Sauce come up?
Like, how did that happen.That's so amazing. You know, we're
from Kansas City and it's a hugebarbecue town. But basically the owner of
this restaurant, and he's a foodnetwork guy as well as named Stretch.
He was a fan of our bandand he was liking our posts and stuff
like that. So David hit himup and he was like, hey,

(06:42):
let's do something together. He waslike, let's do a barbecue sauce.
So we took a week and builta recipe and got it out there and
they put it in competitions. It'sin different stores and restaurants and it's just
it's done really well. It's beena lot of fun. Yeah, what's
awesome? Any like notoriety from it? You know. And Nick is one
of his best friend's father used tobe Wolfking Puck's secondary chefs and so Nick

(07:05):
has a lot of great, greatchef skills. Nick I just always love
food. So we turned in itwas like, this is actually really amazing.
He wasn't just saying that. He'slike, I just don't bullshit around
and and so they we didn't thinkanything of it because we didn't know they've
been They put in some competitions,but It won a couple of years back,

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fourth place by the National Grilling andBarbecue Association. Just six months ago,
one a first place to another majorcompetition for best place use using it
like on pork sandwiches. There wonthis other festival, zest Fest, in
third place. So it's it's kindof like it's our second place, second
place. It's taken a life ofits own, and it's in also a

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great business to have, I mean, let alone music. So what's it
called being in barbecue sauce? Youget it? I love that? Yeah,
Walmart online or black auction, musedot com. But it's a lot
of it's like in cheals online,different spots carret in the country. So
that's so cool. I'm a hugebarbecue fan, so I'm going to like
go get it now and test itout. Yeah, I love it.

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So now you have this big hitthat from a classic song from you know,
Butterfly, and you guys not onlydid your own cover of it in
your own way, but you hadShifty himself join you on the song.
How did that come about? Theway that it came about was we performed
together like whatever four years ago andhe's like, hey, you guys,

(08:33):
have really great music. Let megive you my number, and he said
that we're doing a big tour acrossCanada in twenty nineteen and I'd like to
take you guys as direct support.And there's like whatever fifteen shows or whatever.
So we did that and we werejust you know, traveling, you
know, working together doing these showsand having fun, you know, getting

(08:54):
to know each other. And hehad at that point he was he thought
it was really cool. We hada song with Tech nine and we worked
with Danny Treo and Billboards and hesaid, I see he's been following you
guys. So he had followed usover you know, through covid through the
next couple of years, and hesaw we were still putting out music,
still still working hard, and everythingwas just continuing to grow at a great

(09:16):
pace. So we had a podcastwe started called Inspiration Podcasts Black Auxtion Inspiration
Podcast. We've had like our friendMatt Soormitt with Guns and Roses on,
Danny Treo and so we had himon and Shifty Shifty. We had Shifty
on and he was at our spotand he kind of teased in there about
like he's been you know, interestedin someone to remake a more current version.

(09:39):
He's had a lot of offers overthe years to hop on him,
but he hasn't felt the right momentto do it. So after that we
were hanging out, and then hesaid that that's the one one gift in
his life that God has really blessedhim with where he could still go anywhere
in the world. And I thoughthe had said it was like platinum and
sixteen countries b the day, buthe I remember he said it was number

(10:01):
one on Billboard when it came out, But he said that still today.
I mean, that's the that's thesong that keeps him alive because he still
gets paid every month off its andmovies and TV still. So he just
said that, he said, I'dlike to give you that guys. That
give you guys that song, andthen just I would like to hop on
it with you guys. You couldcarry it on to the next generation.

(10:22):
But when it came to making it, it was all the same vibe because
like you know, it's like ourmusic has really moved to pop and there's
hip hop elements and stuff. Therewas also mainstream rock elements, but you
know, I'd say pop. Andhe said that if we're going to do
it. He specifically wanted to bepop for the new generation, for the

(10:43):
new kids to love. And thensame with the video. He's like,
if we're going to do the video, he wanted to have at least one
jungle scene room like in the originalvideo. Yeah. So yeah, we
put that out and then yeah,it's only been whatever three and a half
months ago or something as over threeand a half million views and came out.
It was number It was number twelveon the US Pop Pop Apple Music

(11:11):
when you go to the app onthere above Taylor Swift and stuff. So
he was really happy about it,and we were really I was thankful to
be given that gift because you andI both know, like, that song
is one song that I would sayit's realistically one of the biggest songs in
history. I mean probably top couplehundred or hundred. So yeah, yeah,

(11:33):
you could throw a rock to prettymuch anybody and seven people out of
ten are going to say, ohI heard that chorus because everyone just knows
the words. So to have thatgift was very cool. And he's like,
many people have hit him up overthe years and he just said,
you guys truly deserve it and soI was like, man, I'm very

(11:54):
humbled and yes, we accept,let's do it. So we had a
lot of fun doing that that project, and I will be forever grateful for
that gift because not everyone gets agift like that, and that that came
out all of a sudden. We'vehad, you know, different hits of
our own and stuff. But afterthat, it's like, okay, you

(12:16):
know, everyone come. It's comecalling, all the you know, the
the the Warner, the Universal,the Sony, and everyone's offering these major
a major deal now. So we'reactually in the process of picking one of
We've got all the contracts lined upand we're looking at picking the best one
here soon because we've been in thestudio writing our best album we've ever done,

(12:39):
called Last One Standing, and threemonths straight. Yeah yeah, pieces
of art on it. You know, we've you know, we've been working
on it and we've already sent itoff and they're like, well, this
is amazing. So we're going topick the best opportunity to roll with and
uh and I can't wait for youknow, this summer for the world to

(13:01):
hear our new album and tour andeverything like that. Yeah, do you
have a date on that yet.On the album, there's not an official
date, but we're going to bedeciding here in this next month on the
deal we're going to go with,and then that will determine. Yeah,
we've already said. They've already said, okay, well we all really want
you guys. What is it exactlythat you want. We're willing to work

(13:22):
with you guys, because every oneof them said, we look back through
your stuff, and nowadays it's prettyclear a lot of the labels, you
know, with music hard times,a lot of them are have less staff
and everything, and they don't developartists. They want the done package.
And they said, you already havethe track record of hits on your own,

(13:43):
with past managers and past investors andstuff. We've built this thing like
a machine. So he's they like, you guys have the music videos,
you've got albums, you've got agreat presence on social media, great great
numbers. And they said, you'vedone the collapse. You have entrepreneurs,
you have barbecue sauce. We justopen up a clothing line with a partner
on Sunset Strip in La. Sothey're like, they're like they they see

(14:07):
a they see a a let alone. The music a big business feature.
So on their ends, I couldsee, like, you know, they're
going to look at it like halfmusic and half business. And that's something
where we have a lot of fundoing because we're on point. You got
to be on point and everything tomake it work. You know, you
can't just one thing. You gotto be a master of everything to make

(14:28):
it. Because we've made it singleas far as we've made it just with
the two of us. We write, produce, mix everything, all of
our music, you know, everything, we build the graphics to the arts.
Nick does it all make the businesscalls? I mean, we've managed,
managed, managed all of our youknow, the future deals, the
finest everything, all on our own. It's just the two of us.

(14:50):
So they're like, they're like,that's really impressive because the first thing when
they heard the new album, theywere said, what studio did you guys
do this? Producer? And Isaid, it was just two guys two
and that's a whole DUDEO. That'swhat I like about the chemistry is you're
getting two organic chemistry out of tworelated brothers. And because we play all

(15:11):
the instruments and everything on it.Yeah, what is it like I got
to ask you, you know,do you find it harder or easier that
you are brothers and working together constantly? You know, I feel I feel
like in some and again this isme talking for you, so correct me,
but I feel like in some instancesit's like beneficial, like you guys
know each other like the back ofyour hands. But then I also feel

(15:33):
like maybe you're more comfortable to buttheads too. You know. Yeah,
I think there is a little bitof that, but realistically, it's like,
you know, we just have theability to communicate so well because we've
spent our whole lives together. It'slike there's if there is a little bit
of butting hands, I think that, you know, we can let each
other get away with more than wewould someone else. But at the end

(15:54):
of the day, it's just like, hey, I don't I think that
this should be this way. It'slike, oh you really think that?
Yeah, okay, whig it.You know, it's never everything's cool,
everything's super easy, and at theend of the day, we know we're
always working towards the same unified goal. Yeah, at the end of the
day, it keeps there's one goal. It's like to keep going to the
top. And it's not about youknow, money or fame or anything like

(16:15):
that. The biggest point we wantto make is to inspire the world.
You could be whatever you want tobe if you work hard. So it's
like it's like uh pushing positive Yah, yeah, I never it's all about
the best product, the best bestwe could do. At the end of
the day, it's like I thinkif you go, you know, a
lot of people don't go the extramile, but we're we're willing to go

(16:36):
that extra mile and and and andthat's why I wouldn't say it's luck.
I would say it's because of hardwork that doors keep opening. Uh.
So it's it's been uh, it'sbeen really neat to see a lot of
the things open. And later inthis October or November, there's going to
be thirty days. We just dida deal to be in our first feature

(16:57):
film, so it's company that justactually brought us on. We did a
contract with Gum Media Partners. Ifpeople look them up, they've done Stallone's
Rambo, Last Blood, Nicholas Cage'sPrimal, Zoe Kravitz film, like eight
or nine really big movies. Andthe producer, the president, he was

(17:19):
like, Hey, I love yourguys' music. Let's put you guys in
a movie. I see you guysin your videos. You could be movie
stars. We can do this.So there's a full script. I can't
say the name of it yet,but there's U and I can't say the
name of the major actors, butthere's some major A lists. They're going
to be there with this in themovie, and we're going to be filming

(17:41):
it this October November thirty days,most likely in Louisiana. And they have
us literally playing ourselves in the movie. To me thriller, And I was
like, how many How often doesthat happen where someone gets to play themselves
because they just wrote it about thesetwo music guys and and and and so

(18:03):
it's kind of fun. It worksout. Be yourself, We know your
guys personalities. The guy that wroteit knowses. And sorry, there was
a weird emoji that popped up whenyou did that. Yeah, they they
wrote us as ourselves, and uh, I'm excited to do it and I

(18:26):
and I can't wait for that aswell. So just a lot of things
are on the up, you know. And you said it's like a thriller
like horror or it's a music thriller. Uh, okay, less than horror,
but yeah thriller. Okay, itsounded really really cool right now.
Yeah, I'm a huge horror fan. I'm a huge music fan. I'm
obviously a huge movie fan. SoI'm always interested when musicians are built into

(18:56):
a project. So like, it'sa project about to musicians. So I'm
like, my ears are peats,you know what i mean. Yeah,
So I'm excited to hear more aboutthat when when you're allowed to talk about
it, So what is next?So you're going to be looking you know,
you're gonna be deciding on you know, which label, Which is an
incredible place to be and by theway, to be able to say,

(19:18):
we get to decide which label wewant to go with, and you're going
to be deciding that coming up soon. That'll lead to when you get a
hard date for album, and thenyou're gonna are you gonna tour with the
release of the album or you're gonnatour You're you're going to set the dates
anyway, And we've been talking withour our legal team. In the next

(19:40):
month, we're going to pick thedeal. We've got all the contracts lined
up, and then from there we'vealready said, hey, we want to
release it this date. I don'twant to say it because I don't want
it to be a hard thing,but yep, but I wanted to come
out during summer, and the thethe main video to come up during summer,
and then there are different shows tocome from there as well of different

(20:03):
tour dates and just you know,I think that the summer is always like
the coolest time to release music becausepeople it's it's more sunny outside and yeah,
windows are down, but that's that'sreally the plan is. There's a
there's a big plan behind the releaseand all the marketing and ideas that I

(20:25):
have for all the videos and stuff, and then from there it'll kind of
we got to this will be thebusiest year of our entire life. And
so then after this is done,we've got all this mapped out for all
the video shoots and the making andall this stuff like that album. And
then come time November, there's gonnawe'll have to train for this film about
a month out. Then we'll shootit for thirty days and then then everything

(20:48):
will be on the up and thenwe'll go in at the start of twenty
twenty five and cashing for the nextbigger deal. You know, absolutely,
you mentioned luck. You know.I always hate when people say to me,
oh, you're so lucky or whatever, like, because there's a bit
of luck in it, but you'reI feel like, and I don't think

(21:08):
people say this on purpose, butlike you're negating the hours and hours and
hours that they don't see that weput into whatever it is we're doing,
you know. You know, soit always bothers me personally when somebody's like,
you know, you're so lucky thatyou get to do that. No,
ruh, I mean a little bitof his luck. But I you

(21:29):
know, slave over this, youknow what I mean, Like you're sleeping
and I'm on my laptop at threeam, you know, trying to think
of or organize or whatever for thenext month. So like, like,
like, iHeart is one of thecoolest radio stations to be a part of
in the world. You know,you worked hard to get there, yeah,
right, right, And and yes, you know, there was a

(21:52):
bit of luck in how I cameto it. I didn't go to broadcasting
school. I was doing videos,you know, YouTube videos and pod casts
and stuff, and I had donea series of Oprah Oprah's Life Class,
a show that she had on own. I ended up doing like six episodes
with her, which was that thatprobably was luck that that happened. But
but then from there I decided,you know, I want to keep doing

(22:15):
content for millennials and and you know, make videos for self improvement and stuff
like that. And then I startedinterviewing celebrities where I would have long form
conversations with them about their craft.And it wasn't so much as let's,
you know, hype up this latestproject as it that was a part of
it, but it was more like, tell me about why you're an artist

(22:37):
and what drives you and that sortof thing. And they started popping off
and then the opportunity came up withiHeart and I'm like, I didn't are
you sure you want to talk tome? Like I didn't go to broadcasting
school, I never you know,didn't do college radio or anything. And
they were like, yeah, likewhat you're doing with video and podcasting and
all is you know what we're lookingto get into. And so but then

(22:59):
I came in here and I,you know, the one thing I always
say, you know, I'm notthe best at anything, but I will
outwork anybody. And and you know, I'm obviously generalizing there, but like
obviously there's tons of hard working peoplehere. But the one thing that I
can control is how much I putin, you know what I mean.
I can't control what somebody's reaction isgoing to be, or if I'm going

(23:22):
to get a deal or not.But I can control how many hours I
put in and how much I putin, which is probably, as you
guys know, kind of you know, with as much hands on as you
are in your careers, can alsobe a detriment sometimes because it's hard to
turn it off, you know,but it's so important, you know.
I think it goes with many creativesthat there's that side that people don't see.

(23:47):
All the years that you've hustled,you know, all the years and
I'm making this up for you,but I've done free shows and to anybody
that would listen to you or whateverto get where you are today, you
know, and that journey I alwaysfeel like, exactly, it's it's never
an over. You know. Somebodysaid something about you're like an overnight success
at iHeart, and I'm like,what like overnight success for the last fifteen

(24:11):
years. Maybe if you're considering thatovernight. I can tell you're great too.
I mean this, you have greatvibes. This is actually this is
one of the favorite interviews I've donea long time. Oh, thank you,
thank you so much. I hateinterviewing, and what I mean,
I love talking to people. Ihate interviewing, so like I don't.
I'm not the type who will,you know, do que cards and all

(24:33):
that stuff one, because I'm horribleat it. I'll be like, how
did you like record it? Youknow, It's like that's so. So
I generally only talk to people thatI enjoy their work and I want to
know more about them. And that'sjust more organic for me because I'm curious
about what you're doing and why anyway, you know what I'm saying, And

(24:55):
so I do love what I do. And similarly, similarly, similarly,
you know, I get that vibefrom you guys that you're doing it because
you love it, and whether youmake a dollar or one hundred million dollars,
you'd be doing it anyway. Youknow. That's right, that's right.
You know, it's all about justthe crap, you know, making
the music and all that stuff.I really enjoyed the process from making the

(25:15):
music, shooting the videos, makingthe you know, meeting great friends along
the way, and it's it's allabout, you know, just it's it's
a good time and you know withyou too. Like with interviewing on so
many greats in the in the world, I was curious. One of my
questions for you while we're on herewas who was who would you say was
one of your like top most enjoyedinterviews you've done, Like, oh,

(25:41):
I've seen you've done some really coolpeople. I checked you out before you
hopt on here. Oh thanks,I you know, I've done like so
Robert de Niro. So I generallydon't get nervous Robert de Niro. I
was nervous for not because it's like, oh my god, it's Robert de
Niro, which, oh my God, it's Robert de Niro. But I
was nervous because before I went intothe hotel, you know, they production

(26:02):
had it set up in the hotelin a hotel room, and before I
went in, I had too muchtime to think before it was call time.
And I'm like, oh god,like I say, Robert d Niro,
like that wasn't good for me tohave that idle time, and so
I started getting really nervous, andI was wearing crocs because I'm not I
went to Catholic school for twelve years, and I swore when I graduated that

(26:25):
I was never wearing a tie anda suit coat and you know all that
again except for weddings or funerals,and so far I've been able to stick
to that. But so it's justme. So I'm wearing crocs to interview
Robert de Niro because I wear crocslike everywhere or slides or whatever. And
he's like sitting like this, andhe's, you know, looking at me
as I walk in, and Isee he kind of looks at my shoes,

(26:48):
and I'm thinking of Jesus, He'sprobably thinking, you're interview to here,
You're here to interview me, andyou're wearing freaking crocs, And so
I kind of was like, oh, I wore my you know how crocs
have the you can like do theyeah, yeah, sport modes. Yeah.
So I was like, oh,I'm wearing my fancy crocks for you.
I was like, later, thesewill be my casual crocks. And

(27:08):
he started cracking up, and thatkind of like just broke the ice for
everything and it ended up being anawesome interview. So, I mean that
was huge for me professionally and asa big movie fan fan Mike Posner,
who I absolutely love and I've gottento spend a lot of time with him.
I went to do a couple ofdays with him on his walk across

(27:29):
America, and he came and wedid a like a forty five minute long
form interview about his entire career inlife, and that is probably my favorite
interview because of how real I feellike he was. He you know,
how nitty gritty we got into beinga just a creative and he's so honest

(27:55):
and truthful and wears his heart onmy sleeve like I feel I do that
we just had such a great connectionthat that's probably my favorite interview, probably
my favorite. That's all very cool. How about for you guys, You've
been interviewed by tons of people.What's what's been your favorite besides obviously me.
I mean, we've had a lotof a lot of great interviews.

(28:15):
It's you know, to be totallyhonest, there's been so many. Yeah,
I don't remember exactly at the topof my head, you know,
I just know that in real time. This is one that I really enjoy
and and that makes me think tooabout interviews. Is like to everyone that's
a lot of people will see this, everyone that's watching this too, you

(28:36):
know, I want to let everyoneknow in the world that we appreciate you
checking out the new Butterflying. Surekeep watching it up, streaming it up.
And there's like all types of newmerchandise on Black Auction Music dot Com.
We just we just did a clothingdeal with this spot, the embroidery
Studio and sense that this guy designsfor like Taylor Swift and a lot of
these big icons and he's he's like, I see you guys are going up.

(28:57):
I'd like to be a part ofyour er. So he's back clothing
line and he does like these reallyhigh end clothing fashion pieces. He was
you know, like two months ago. You know, he's he like,
we started working on this really deeplyafter talking about it, and we got
a few pieces dropped for the Butterfly. So that was that was another dream

(29:19):
come true. It really of Nixto Nicks always loved fashion, you know.
Yeah, that was a lot offun. Yeah, And did you
ever think when you guys started outlike not only would you be doing music,
but you know, a clothing line, a these awesome videos with you
know, some incredible artists, youknow, doing a song blessed by the

(29:41):
Man himself, you know, doinga a kind of reimagining of a classic
song. You know, a actualmovie and you know barbecue saw. I
mean, did you ever imagine inyour head like this is what that's going
to look like. I never Inever imagine, Like an exotic clothing line,
I never imagine, and a barbecuesauce. I never knew the barbecue

(30:03):
sauce at all. That was totallyrandom in real time, and you know,
and then they came up, andthen there's a cool factory which produced
in the Midwest, like just beinggoing to see it even and then you
know all these other things that comefrom it. It's just really the blessing,
the cherry on top, you know, like the blessing. Yeah,
but it's all, uh, it'sall a very special thing to you know,

(30:26):
part of it. And I alwaysknew. I always didn't know just
since I was a kid, somehowin some way that I was going to
be in a movie, because Ialways I love watching movies. That's I'll
watch movies all the time, likeif I'm free. It's always inspiring to
you know, like The Dark Knightwith Christian, like The Joker, that
acting and there was always that's myfavorite movie still today. That yeah,

(30:48):
just one of my tops. It'sso good. But we did our we
did our our acting training and everythingfor two years and buying the scenes in
his school and we you know,you learn all these techniques and you know
how to get to the dark placesand how to you know, you know,
practice the script correctly and everything likethat. So you know, behind
the scenes, we really put inour work. It's just we've had different

(31:11):
opportunities, but you know, youwant to present yourself in the best way
possible. So it's like when thisfilm came up and they said, okay,
well you're not going to be thefiftieth on the call sheet, You're
not going to be an extra walkingin the back of the cafeteria. I
mean, this is you guys aregoing to be like top the top in
the top four actor leads in thisand there you guys with these other stars.

(31:32):
So it was the perfect opportunity soto like sign off and be like
okay, because that'll just bring inmore and more opportunities and yeah, yeah,
magic, I love it. David, Nick, thank you so so
much. I can't thank you enoughfor speaking with me. I'm excited for
you know everything. It's like youguys keep hitting peaks that and then you

(31:55):
go to the next higher pe youknow, it's it's an enjoyable ride to
watch. I love the song,I love the success for you, and
I'm gonna come see you when hopefullyyou'll hit Philly this summer. Sounds great,
it sounds great. Look forward tomeeting kicking in person sometimes so absolutely
absolutely cool. Thank you guys,U Black Oxygen. David and Nick are

(32:21):
amazing, such great guys. Ireally am going to go see them when
they perform on tour this summer.We've got all their links in the show
notes. I can't wait to gettheir barbecue sauce too. You know I
love me some barbecue sauce. Sothere you have it. Black Oxygen love
those boys. All right, we'regonna take a break to pay the bills

(32:43):
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(33:06):
to talk about it on social Sothank you for that. So I talked
a bit about dog Man at thetop of the show, and you know
what it's about. I talk withthe stars of dog Man, including Caleb
and Jojo. So Caleb is besidesan actor, is also a musician.

(33:28):
But he played Banshee and X MenFirst Class, Jeremy and Get Out,
Love That Red, and Three BillboardsOutside Ebbing, Missouri. He played Caleb
in The Last Exorcism, which Iloved. He was in The Florida Project
as Jack, which you know,geez, I was a very early supporter
of the Florida Project back when thatcame out. I talked with the you

(33:49):
know, the filmmakers behind it andof course some of the stars and love
that unique film. In his latesthe is starring in dog Man as Douglas,
so I talked to him as well. Oh, and he was in
the Twin Peaks like addition, TwinPeaks, The Return or whatever as Steven,
which at some point I want todo a whole episode or two on

(34:13):
twin Peaks because wow. But anyway, so there's Caleb and then Jojo T.
Gibbs. She plays Haiti Hattie,the lead role in the series twenties
on be Et and now she starsin dog Man as Evelyn, and she
has a very interesting and juicy role. So I'm exciting excited to talk to

(34:38):
them. Let's get right into it. Caleb Landry Jones and Jojo T.
Gibbs. First of all, thankyou both for speaking with me. I
really appreciate it. Oh, thankyou. Of course. I love the
film. It is powerful, crazy, I love it for both of you.

(34:58):
What drew you to two dog matLuke beson one hundred and twenty three
Dogs? And how about for youJojo? Well, I got the audition
really hastily, and I read itreal quick and saw, of course Lucasan,
and then I saw Caleb's name andI was like hell yah, like

(35:19):
I definitely hope I get this role. And yeah, that was that.
That's not all it took for me. Really well, Caleb, you both
are incredible actors, and you bothdo incredible performances in the film. Jojo,
you play the therapist. That iskind of bringing out this story,
and Caleb, you play the personwho is you know, telling their story.

(35:43):
And I mean this with one hundredpercent love and as a compliment,
Caleb, but your performance is batshitinsane in an amazing way. What is
it like to play a character whois so complex and layered and insane in
so many ways? I was probablyI'm focused on the little things, like

(36:07):
one foot in front of the otherfoot real as soon as I start thinking
about it kind of emotionally or withany real intellectual, you know, anything,
I start to get away from something. But so Luke gave me a

(36:28):
lot of things to kind of getin my head and to play with and
spend time with. And so Iwas doing those a lot. I was
doing all those things, and thenwe would shoot the film. But it
wasn't until Jojo arrived, and we'dnever met each other, and Luke kept

(36:49):
us separate when when she when shearrived, and so the first scene we
did we hadn't met each other.But the way Jojo is playing Evelyn,
what Evelyn is in the film forDouglas, what he's able to share because
of who she is, is reallybecause of her as a as an as

(37:15):
an actor, and uh, andand as the character. But and this
got into I feel like this iswhere the discovery, if any discovery happened
for myself or something. There wassomething that happened in these three days with
Jojo over this time where ah,you're right, mmm, well what about

(37:35):
guilt? Well, guilt is dd who cares? And I found myself
reasoning and not reasoning, and anduh and Evelyn saying some things that would
Okay, that's tough. You're right, but is it murdered? No,
it's not murder, but maybe itis. And it was nice to be
confronted suddenly with these things because Idon't think Douglas is in the way that

(38:01):
we are as an audience, youknow, you know, judging him based
on his actions. So that wasa little convoluted. No, No,
I love it and uh, andyou know, I think it speaks to
the complexity of the character and ofthe film. Thank you both so much

(38:21):
for speaking with me. I can'twait for everybody to see Yes and me
keep talking. Shoot, I needa great recommendation. Hella Lensrey Jones and
Jojo t Games. Dog Man isout right now. You gotta see it.

(38:44):
It is incredible. His batshit insaying that's all I could say.
I don't know how else to describeit, but it is amazing. Luke
San never fails to amaze and makeincredible art. Black Oxygen too. You
can check out all of their infoon the show notes. Let me know
what you think of Black Oxygen,let me know what you think of dog

(39:07):
Man, and of course my interviews. Send your hate mail and your love
mail and your comments to whatever itis you're watching or consuming, listening to
whatever, let's talk about it.Let's talk pop culture. We got some
great stuff coming up next time aswell, So I'll see you then.
I love you, see you nextweek. Well, thank you for listening

(39:29):
to pop Culture Weekly. Here Paullthe latest at Popcultureweekly dot com. Dog
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