Bailey Zimmerman; Vera Farmiga & Patrick Wilson (The Conjuring: Last Rites)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, I talk with
the cast and crew of The Conjuring Last Rights, and
I sit down for a long talk with the amazing
Balley Zimmerman. Let's go. Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with
Kyle McMahon from iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Your pop culture news, views, reviews and celebrity interviews on all.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
The movies, TV, music and pop culture u Crabe Weekly.
Here's Kyle McMahon.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Nick, No, no, no, Nick.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
What's up my pop culture people, It's your boy, Kyle
McMahon And Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon,
the show where I get to talk with some of
the biggest names in entertainment while you sit and relax
and judge me for fangirling too hard. Today's episode, I'm
stoked because it's really stacked. We're talking about The Conjuring

(00:54):
Last Rights, the terrifying, demon filled jump scare franchise that
always keeps me coming back even though I sleep with
the lights on for like a week after. I've got
director Michael Chavez, franchise mastermind and horror legend James Wand
and the ultimate ghost busting power couple Patrick Wilson and

(01:16):
Vera Farmiga. And then we switched gears in a big
way with country superstar Bailey Zimmerman, who currently has the
number one song in country music with Backup Plan featuring
Luke Combs. This man and I talked for almost an hour,
his life, his career, and yes, that live incident. So

(01:38):
grab your popcorn or your holy water, because here we go. First, up,
the man and the director's share for the Conjuring Last Rites,
Michael Chavez. He is the brave soul responsible for actually
wrangling demons and ghosts and actors who have to scream
on c Honestly, directing a conjuring movie sounds like my

(02:00):
personal nightmare, but also kind of awesome anyway. Michael is
no stranger to the Conjuring franchise. He directed The Curse
of La Larona, the Conjuring, The Devil Made Me do It,
the Nun too, and now, of course the Conjuring Last Rights.
All right here he is Michael Chavez. Thank you so much,

(02:23):
Michael for speaking with me. I really appreciate it. I
love Last Rights. I mean, I love the whole franchise,
but Last Rights is such a beautiful full circle moment
for the franchise. Did you feel that going into you know,
to working on this, like this is kind of heavy
for fans of you know, nearly what a decade and

(02:45):
a half. Totally.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
I thanks for saying that. I honestly, the full Circle
thing is something I really wanted to get. It was
something that it was like when we would test it
with audiences, they would say that, and I was like,
oh my god, thank god, who we landed and we
landed the plane. It was you know, kind of a great, amazing,

(03:08):
big responsibility of just you know, this is a series
that so many people love, and you know, telling a
final chapter is is great opportunity and also like really challenging.
And I honestly with this, like one of the big
references that I would use as we were developing it
is is Logan.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
I you know, because.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Whenever you kind of get into these like last chapter
you know movies, there's so many kind of great references
and you know, is it like an endgame sort of
thing where we throw all the demons at them?

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Or what do we do?

Speaker 2 (03:38):
And what I loved about Logan and that kind of
became the North Stars is it didn't have that. It
wasn't like they're throwing Sabertooth and Magneto in it's like
they're they're telling an emotional story and then it's going
to bring us to the to the finish line. And
you know, people love the Warrens so much that I
think it was just important to really bring their story

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and their family story.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
To a c and it was beautifully done. There was
a lot of mirrors, both kind of you know, prominently
present and more subtly was that obviously everything you've done
is intentional, but what was the representation behind that?

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
You know that the mirror is actually within the film,
real mirror, and I would encourage fans to stay to
the very end after the credits. There's like, it's not
a tease for another movie, but there is something that
is just this kind of great find that we wanted
to put in in the film. Obviously, there's a lot

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of you know, mirroring within the story. It's like, you know,
mirroring the past and the present, and you know Lorraine
as a young woman to Lorraine as she is now
in the present, or the president of the story, and
then also between just mother and daughter and just how
our children are reflections of ourselves. And I think that
that was the Richard and Ian are our writers. They

(05:05):
they did a pass write after Dave Leslie Johnson. They're
the ones who actually introduced the idea of the mirror,
and I just thought it was such a a smart
addition and it just I think complimented the whole mother
daughter story so beautifully.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
I've got to ask you, you did the Curse of
La Larona? Is that it can we get definitively? Is
that in the Conjuring Universe or not?

Speaker 2 (05:31):
That's what's so funny, you know, that is such like
you know, the real technically it is it has kind
of become adopted. It's the adopted child of the Conjuring Universe.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
It was.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
It's technically not because Peter Saffron isn't the producer on it,
and Peter, you know, this is Peter's baby as much
as it is James's. And but it was when we
made it, it was Walt to Matta, who was an
executive at New Line, was like basically asked a favor
to to include like a little glimpse of Annabel, which
kind of like introduced it almost as if it was

(06:04):
part of the universe. And and so then there's there's
kind of been a little bit of debate about that,
and you know, if you know, in respect to Peter,
I have to officially say it's not, but if you
ask me, yes, it definitely is.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Thank you. I can't wait for everybody to see the
Conjuring last rotes. It is so awesome. And I hope
that I get to talk to you again for I
hope for more Conjuring somehow, some way in the future.
Thank you, Michael, Thanks so much. I appreciate the time.
Thank you, Michael Chevies. All right, now, if horror had
a Mount Rushmore, James Wand's face would definitely be up there,

(06:44):
right next to Freddy Jason and probably Annabel just glaring
at us. He co created the Conjuring universe, and somehow
he keeps finding new ways to make us jump out
of our seats, and his resume is basically a greatest
hits list of like modern horror. He co created It Saw, Yes,
That Saw, which redefined the kind of you know, gore

(07:06):
porn genre in the early two thousands and has kept
it going. Then he gave us Insidious of course the Conjuring,
and he turned a creepy porcelain doll into a household
name with Annabelle and because he's apparently allergic to sleep.
He also directed Aquaman and it's sequel, Aquaman and the
Lost Kingdom. So basically, James Wan has either terrified you,

(07:29):
thrilled you, or made you cheer in a movie theater,
sometimes all three in the same year, and even in
the same movie. Here he is James Wan. Thank you
so much, James for joining me. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Thanks Kyl.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Great to be speaking with you.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
So, first of all, I'm a huge fan of your work, Malignant,
the Conjuring Universe, Insidious Saw. I mean just love your work,
and of course and the Conjuring franchise is one of
my favorites of all time. Why was this chapter important

(08:06):
for you to tell here?

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Well, I mean, this chapter is the final chapter, and
so so it was one that we felt, you know,
after more than a decade, that it was finally time
to kind of wrap it up. Uh, you know, we've
we've been through this, you know, on many, many movies,
like within the Conjuring Universe. You know, we've had a
lot of very We've been very fortunate to have a

(08:29):
lot of successful movies within this universe. And uh and
so you know, we've we felt like, you know, uh,
you know, we want to go out.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
On a high.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
You know, we feel like now is the time.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
You know, we don't want to be going.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Out as the movie is degrading, right, and so we
felt like this was a good time. But yeah, needless
to say, it's really bittersweet for all of us involved.
And uh, you know, but we wanted to make the
best movie we can. That really justifies the franchise, and
that is warranted and you know, worthy for the fans.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
I think, you know, as a huge fan, I think
it does just that. Now. David Zaslav, I believe at
one point said that this is kind of the closing
of phase one and there may be a phase two
with potentially a TV series or whatever. Is any of
that still in the works.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
I mean, I guess, you know, from the studio side
of things, everything is a possibility, you know, I guess. Yeah,
it's interesting that we're pulling a page from the Marvel
playbook here, right, I guess Phase one is a way
to look at it, and so there's possibilities of phase
two just purely from a creative standpoint, you know. The
warrants have so many stories, so many different cases, and

(09:43):
it's not crazy that they are other stories that we
could be looking into. But I do think it's a
bit early to be talking about any other phases. Yeah,
for me, I just want to focus on this one
and getting this one right and getting this one out
there to your audiences.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Absolutely. And you know what for me, I think has
been so important to why these films have been so
good is the relationship between the warrants, you know, Vira
and Patrick and how well they do that. How key
was that for you after doing the first film? You
know now that you're doing potentially the last film. You know,

(10:24):
did you watch that develop did you change anything based
on their chemistry? And you know that sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Yeah, I think, if anything, we lean into their chemistry
more than anything, right that That's pretty much what I
discovered in the first film. You know, we all knew
collectively going into the first Conjuring because it's based on
real characters, real events. We wanted to ground the movie
as much as we can, right And and what I
learned from Insidious when I meet the first Insidious film

(10:55):
was that people really loved the more realistic aspect of it.
And so what I learned from in Sylia's I parlate
that into the conjuring and I knew that if I
can create real people with real emotions and real issues
and real traumas right that they're dealing with, then then
the scars would actually play better. They'll be a lot scary, right.

(11:16):
And so so then, you know, I'm very lucky that
I was able to get Patrick Wilson and very for
me to come play with me on the first movie.
And then seeing how great they were together, just their
chemistry just did the way they they they they riff
off each other and uh, and just watching that really

(11:36):
did push me as I was shooting it, because filmmaking
is a very organic process, and so so I just started,
you know, just like shifting and pushing things and navigetting
things towards more about their relationship, the family dynamic and uh.
And and we knew that we want this last movie
to finish leaning into the whole family aspect everything. We

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knew that the family aspect really lends itself to the
emotion of this wall and it was the right thing
to do, you know, to bring in the daughter Judy
and to bring in the Tony Sperrit character into this
as well, and just really, you know, really play into
all of that.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
I think you've done it masterfully. I love the film.
I can't wait till comes out so I can talk
to people about it. But thank you so much, James,
I really appreciate it. Awesome Kyle, Thank you, sir, have
a good day. Thank you, Thank you our legend James one.
And now the first couple of ghost Hunting, Patrick Wilson

(12:43):
and Vera Farmiga. These two, as Ed and Lorraine Warren,
have really been the heart of the Conjuring movies since
the very beginning. They are amazingly charming, They've got a
spooky side, and they somehow make fighting demons look like
couples therapy. Let's get into it. Patrick Wilson and Vera Farmiga. Wow.

(13:09):
I love the whole franchise. But this film is so great,
you know, I think it's such a powerful way to potentially,
you know, close this chapter on the story. You guys
have lived with these characters for over a decade. What
was that like to step on, you know, set, knowing
this maybe the final old chapter here?

Speaker 5 (13:32):
Well and not maybe it is the final chapter.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I just hate hearing that.

Speaker 5 (13:36):
I know, but that's it. That's it, the end of
the road for these two. And they are the ultimate team,
aren't they. I mean, there's their bond is a testament
to like almost two decades of love, you know, all
served up in iconic polyester pants and skirts and weird

(13:56):
ass up dues and you know, it's been a it's
been a trip, a beautiful trip. But this one took
the This one took a lot out of us. Man,
it is that last time and we had the stakes
are higher than ever on this one.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
How about for you, Patrick, did you sense that weight
you know, going for this one?

Speaker 6 (14:21):
I think because the you know, I think in order
to kind of feel the weight of something, you have
to be disconnected as an actor and be able to
embrace it as a as a person. And that doesn't
happen on these films because the work is so full off.
Like so by the time we ended the film and

(14:43):
you're you wish you could have that great goodbye and
just an easy day of work and get to hug
everybody and you have a cake or whatever and go,
oh my god, it's over and you cry and you
say thank you. I mean, this was like if you've
seen the movie, the is like the climax to end
all climaxes of a film. I mean, it's brutal. And

(15:04):
we did that for what seemed like a week straight,
and we knew because there were wind machines and everything
else and testing that they would do later we'd probably
come back and revisit it, which we did, so there
was never like a proper goodbye. It was just this
this train of emotion and raw energy kind of going

(15:27):
towards the end. So we didn't really have that moment
of feeling the weight of the series because also there's shooting,
there's additional photography, and then there's this like we're doing now,
and then there's the movie coming out and sitting back
and going gosh, did it land with an audience? So
it comes in phases.

Speaker 7 (15:44):
So we're still not done, but you know, I think
it's probably gonna take another it'll probably take it. For me,
it'll probably be like an like like a year and
a half where I'll go, should I grow my cybrids
out for to play ed?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Like, Nope, not happen. So that's what it'll hit me.
These films for me are very much besides about family,
there's there's a faith versus kind of this supernatural you
know element. Did did it change either of your belief
in you know, supernatural or faith or affected at all?

Speaker 3 (16:21):
No?

Speaker 5 (16:21):
To me, it's a reminder of the power of love.
Like it's I just love love, love, portraying, portraying the
dynamic between Ed and Lorraine, and so it is about
so much a focus on like sacrifice and resilience and
finding strength through weakness and perseverance and commitment to each other.
And and I I it's now I've forgotten the question.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Faith versus yeah faith?

Speaker 5 (16:55):
Yeah, well yeah, so it's just like playing all those
hitting those and coming back time and time again and
saying like, oh, like what this is another opportunity to
delve into their love, into sacrifice, and like it always
is that that I don't know, just focusing on that
statement of you know, fear is this like this crazy

(17:18):
ass storm in our lives and love is that umbrella
that's going to shield us from it? Right, And just
tapping into that very simple notion and concept has been
in It's been beautiful.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Yeah, thank you both so much. I really love the
film and congratulations on it. Take care. Patrick Wilson and
Verra for Mega love Love love them, love them as
the Warrens, and I love the Conjuring Last Rites. I mean,
I love the whole Conjuring franchise. But I really hope

(17:54):
this isn't the end of this franchise. It's too good
to just stop, and they have so many things to do,
and you know, Vera and Patrick are young. They could
be doing this for another thirty years if they want.
I have a whole guide to the Conjuring Universe. I
put it in the I put a link in the
show notes so you can check out my guide and
my review of The Conjuring Last Rites, and check out

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my guide to the Conjuring Franchise universe. The Conjuring Universe franchise.
I guess all right, we're gonna take a quick break
to pay the bills. But when we come back, I
sit down for nearly an hour with one of the
biggest names in country music, Bailey Zimmerman. You don't want
to miss this one. Stick around. I'll see in sixty

(18:40):
all right, we are back, and this is one I've
been so excited about. Bailly Zimmerman currently has the number
one country song in America with Luke Combe's backup plan.
It's off his brand new album, Different Night, Same Rodeo,
which is awesome and I have a react coming to
that for when I listened to the album the first time.

(19:03):
That'll be on the YouTube channel. In any event, Bailly
and I sat down for nearly an hour and nothing
was off the table. We talked about his life story,
what he'd be doing if he which and his life
story is pretty incredible. We talked about what he'd be
doing if he wasn't making music. That live incident that
went viral. Bailey kept it real and it's honestly one

(19:26):
of my favorite conversations I've ever had on this show.
Here he is, Bailey Zimmerman, brow what up? How are
you going on?

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Amazing? Dude? Are you thanks for having me?

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Thank you for coming on. I really appreciate it. I'm
excited to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
So, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
It was cool here and your story man, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's wild.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
It's a weird industry, man, it is it is.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, and then here I am now doing this so.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
God has play all of us man absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
So well, first of all, bro, welcome Bailey zimmer Man.
I really appreciate you speaking with me.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Brother, Oh yeah, I did. Thanks for having me on
This is.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Sick, of course, and we're gonna talk about your new
album different nights, saying rodeo. But I want to go
back for a moment, if you would. You were working
on you know, construction, pipeline things like that, and then
you started uploading to TikTok uh was being an artist
back then? Ever, like in your kind of life plan?

Speaker 8 (20:32):
No, man, I had never even thought about doing music
at all. I'd always like kind of dreamed of being
like famous and stuff. I think every kid does, I guess,
you know, like watching Justin Bieber do it and then
watching just all these people I've watched, you know, Kane
Brown on Facebook type thing. Yeah, so it was like, man,

(20:52):
how cool would that be if that was my life?

Speaker 3 (20:54):
But it's not.

Speaker 8 (20:55):
So I'm going to go to work today, right, So, No, man,
it was never in the cards. I I never you know,
I didn't come from a musical family. I didn't sing
in church. I had never sang in my life before.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Wow, TikTok Yeah that's incredible. And what was the moment
that you were like, Okay, this isn't just a hobby anymore,
like this, this is becoming something. This is something now, dude.

Speaker 8 (21:18):
It was such a weird thing for me because so
I started on TikTok doing lifted trucks, Like I grew
up loving lifted trucks and fast cars, and I'd always
wanted to lift a truck. So when I turned eighteen,
I when I went to go pipeline, I was making
enough money to build a truck.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
So I built a truck with my family.

Speaker 8 (21:42):
My uncle Brent helped me, My brother John helped me
build a truck, and I started posting that on TikTok.
And that's what kind of got me a bunch of
followers at first, was like my truck went kind of
viral in the truck talk space, I guess, on TikTok.
And so I started actually going around to all of
these like truck shows all around the US, and I

(22:04):
would travel in my truck and go and meet up
with these buddies that I would, you know, get to
know on TikTok first and then I would meet them
in real life. And so I was just trying to
like I was like trying to like growing a following.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Meeting new friends in the truck scene.

Speaker 8 (22:18):
And then one night we were drinking beer around a
campfire and I started singing, just you know.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Buzzed up, having a great time with your buddies.

Speaker 8 (22:28):
A good song comes on, you know, and I started
singing and they were like, man, you got a voice, dude.
And I'm like, nah, I just you know, like what
are you talking about? And You're like no, like your
voice was really cool. And that kind of like inspired me,
I guess, just a little bit.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Like I was like, oh, that's cool. Like I've never
had anybody tell me I've got a cool voice, you know.
And so that's when.

Speaker 8 (22:51):
I I started just singing a little more at the campfires,
and I had a couple more people tell me like, man,
your voice was really cool, and that kind of got
my brain like hmm, like what does that mean, Like my.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (23:04):
So I just thought it was cool that people thought
my voice was cool. So I kind of, in secret,
like secrecy, started singing a little bit more on my own.
And from the time somebody told me, hey, your voice
is cool, to the time I released my first song
was probably like two months.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (23:24):
So and this is why I'm like, man, I'm just
so thankful for God man, because I really feel like
it's my path. So when I started singing, I didn't
post anything on TikTok yet I posted something on Snapchat
because I thought, oh, maybe this will give me some
girls or something. Me singing on Snapchat, right, So I
put it up and it didn't get any girls. But

(23:46):
this guy from my hometown named Gavin Lucas split up
and was like, hey, man, I didn't know you like
sang and I'm like, dude, I don't. I just had,
like I tried singing the other day around a campfire.
Somebody told me my voice was good, and I just
put it on Snapchat. I honestly thought I was trying
to get some girls, but what's up? And he was like, well, dude,

(24:07):
I've been like secretively writing songs for like years. But
I didn't really want to like show him anybody because
I don't know, you know, I just have been writing.
And I'm like, well, dude, we should get together, and
he was like, yeah, I would love to hear you
sing some of my songs.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
And I'm like okay.

Speaker 8 (24:23):
So then when we got together, that was about a
month into being like, man, do I have a cool
voice and then man. Three weeks later, two weeks later,
me and Gavin got together, like maybe our tenth time
getting together, and he was like, man, we should try
to write.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
A real song. And I was like, you know what,
I'll try it.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Let's do it.

Speaker 8 (24:45):
And so we sat down that night and we wrote
my first song, never Coming Home, And after.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
We wrote it was only the first verse.

Speaker 8 (24:53):
I wrote the first verse, and then it was like
two am and we were going to go home, and
he was like, hey, let's record this so we remember
where we're at. Because, like I said, at this point,
I had never written songs before. I never sang really before.
I have no idea how to play guitar, I have
no idea what I'm doing. And this song was just like, man,
this is really cool, Like I really liked this song,

(25:15):
and it was the first time I had ever after
I recorded it was the first time I had ever
heard my voice over like truck speakers, like through bluetooth, right,
So I was trying to get hyped up, and I
was like, man, this is pretty fire, Like I love this.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
I love this song. I've never heard my voice like this.
This is cool.

Speaker 8 (25:31):
So I got home and I was like man, I
think I'm gonna post this on TikTok. I had like
seventy thousand followers at the time from the Truck Lifted
Truck Space, and I called Gavin. I was like, hey, man,
you care if I post this video because you're in it,
And he was like, oh, dude, that'd be cool.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Man post it and see if anybody likes it.

Speaker 8 (25:50):
And he's like, man, I'll make you a deal if
it gets some views. Tomorrow, let's figure out, like when
it gets some views, we'll figure out how to record it.
Because we had never we thought people recorded in their
houses right away. We thought we didn't know you could
just go to a studio and pay them and they
would record your songs. So get up the next morning

(26:10):
and my phone is like exploding and I turn over
and it's got like, dude, the video has like a
million views that like in the morning it did, and
there was like so many comments, and it was cool
because people were like, yo, we didn't know you, saying man,
we thought you did trucks, and I was like, I don't.
I just I'm just here, man, But like I will

(26:33):
if you guys want me to. I'm trying to, like
I literally remember, like I'm trying to figure this out.
I have no idea what's going on, Like I don't know.
And from that point forward, that morning is when I
was like, I'm gonna figure this out. Like I had
been praying a lot about what my purpose was and
praying for God to give me something to chase, and

(26:54):
I really thought that was the truck stuff because it
was going really well and there was brands reaching out
and it was give me some a little bit of money,
and it was just kind of like maybe I do this.
And then all of a sudden, like what I was
praying for just like kind of came to life and
he gave me this massive opportunity of like, yo, here's
some views.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Go chase this. And since then I have not let up.

Speaker 8 (27:17):
It was like, yo, I'm gonna figure out, like okay,
like to go in a little bit more death man.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Like I remember that day.

Speaker 8 (27:25):
I looked up, okay, all right, if I got if
I'm getting a million views on this video, how can
I turn that into like streams and how can I
get people to listen to this song? And I was like, okay,
what is streaming? How much is so a million streams?
At that time was seven thousand dollars. I'm like, okay,
a million views I could, I could try to get
a million streams. And we went to the studio and

(27:45):
it was thirty five hundred bucks or three thousand dollars
to record the song. And I didn't have no money.
So I remember that day I went back to my
mom after after waking up quitting my job.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
I went to Gavin's.

Speaker 8 (27:58):
We started trying to figure out what is going on,
and we found a recording studio that would do it.
And I went to my mom and I was like, Okay,
this is gonna be a shock, but I quit my
job and I'm gonna do music.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
And she was like music, what are you talking about?
And I'm like, look at this video.

Speaker 8 (28:17):
And I showed her the video and it was like,
this was a song I wrote, like I wrote this
with Gavin, like we wrote this last night, and it
got like almost two million views already, and she was
like okay, and I was like, and I need fifteen
hundred bucks to record this song. And at the time,
we didn't have any money. Like we grew up, you know,
just like everybody else in the world, and so we

(28:37):
didn't have any money, but she scraped together fifty hundred
bucks and I was like, Mom, if you can give
me fifteen hundred dollars to go record this song and
I get a million streams, that's seven thousand. I can
pay you back double if you just help me do
this because I really.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Want to chase this.

Speaker 8 (28:51):
And you know, it's crazy to look back now on
all that because it's like, dang, all this stuff happened,
and my I'm investing fifteen hundred into me and like,
just that part of life was so much fun because
it was like that moment where I was like, I'm
gonna chase this and there's nobody gonna change my mind.

(29:12):
I'm not doing anything else. I'm gonna do this.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, that's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
It was a little different, man.

Speaker 8 (29:18):
It was like wake up one day, Oh my gosh,
everybody loves my song. I'm gonna try to record it.
And now dude, here we are. We got a freaking
another number one. It's like, it's so crazy, man, Yeah,
it's it's that. That was the craziest ride cause you're
just like you're off like faith. You're like, I'm quitting
this job that pays me really good, and I'm gonna

(29:39):
go chase something that I feel like God's telling me
to do.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
And man, I'm so glad I listened, you know.

Speaker 8 (29:43):
But yeah, that was the moment that I was like, yo,
I only started this a month ago, two months ago,
three months ago.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
This song's going big.

Speaker 8 (29:53):
I'm quitting my job like I'm doing it, like I like,
if He's telling me to chase anything, this is definitely it,
you know.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yeah, he had a different plan for you, for sure
than you have for yourself.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
If you you know, alternate timeline, multiverse, if you hadn't
stepped out on your faith there, where do you think
you would be today?

Speaker 5 (30:15):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (30:17):
Only God knows, truly. I have no idea because at
that time, man, I was I didn't like my job
that I had because it was so scattered. It was like, oh,
you would have work like these months, and then you
wouldn't have worked these months, but then sometimes you would
have work like it was just too not like it

(30:38):
just like wasn't enough, I guess. And I didn't really
like the job anyways. And I so like at the
time before I started music, I was like behind on
my truck payment, I had no money. My job wasn't
really existing anymore at the time. So I was kind
of like, God, I don't know what to do, you know.

(31:00):
I thought I was chasing the right thing, and I
thought this is what I was gonna do, But I
don't know what to do, and I'm giving it to you, Like,
give me something to chase, give me something to anything,
you know. So I was I was really in a
bad spot before music, so like, yeah, God knows where
i'd be there.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah, now, a lot of people, you know, you have
had such a meteoric rise in a relatively short amount
of time. Do you ever feel that people may underestimate
that there still was a struggle and all that there
still was a hustle and you know, hard times that
you had to go through. Do you ever feel that
people underestimate that aspect of it.

Speaker 8 (31:42):
M you know, it's as much hard work as this
is and has been, and.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Like you said, there is a grind to it. You know.

Speaker 8 (31:53):
I have had to grind every single day for the
last five years since I had that opportunity.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
I have not slept. I'm kind of working.

Speaker 8 (32:01):
But at the same time, I'm so blessed and I'm
so fortunate to have a dream to chase have opportunity
every single day. It's just like, I know that people
would die and kill to be in my position. And
that's where I'm like, if you underestimate it, that's okay,
because I'm so blessed that I'm not.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
I don't.

Speaker 8 (32:24):
I don't care if you think I work harder, don't
because I'm like, dude, I'm so blessed that I there
is a grind, but I know what the real grind is.
The real grind is, you know, digging ditches and setting
cones out for construction and going and working, you know,

(32:45):
twenty hours straight and not like that is true, and
doing it when you hate it.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Right.

Speaker 8 (32:50):
So I had a job that I hated and I
was grinding, working my ass off every single day and
the heat and it just so now every single day
I wake up, dude, and I get to go into
an air conditioned room and write songs and get to
do what I do.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
I'm like, yo, I'm blessed. Man.

Speaker 8 (33:08):
So there is a grind, but I know there's people
out there that are working ten times harder than me
every day.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
So it's like, hey, I'm blessed. I'm grateful just to
be here.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Yeah, I love that attitude and speaking of writing, you know,
so I was telling your manager before we started that
I'm not a giant fan of country and you I saw,
you know, one of your videos on Insta or TikTok
or something early on, and I was like, what who
is this? Like his voice is is incredible? And then

(33:41):
when Religiously the album came out Religiously the song, I
was like, oh okay, and I was hooked from then
on out. You know, I also your voice, your showmanship,
the whole package. I just you know, fell in love
with with that and the rawness that you have. You
know that you're you are humble, and you are acknowledging

(34:04):
of of where you came from and and you know,
and I just love all of that. Thanks, of course,
thank you for sharing, you know, for sharing that and
and sharing your vulnerability, which was is my question is,
you know, as you've been writing, was there ever a
time you know, you you obviously talk about real life

(34:24):
and heartbreak and all. Is there ever something so far
that you've been like that's a little too vulnerable for me,
you know, or that we've ended up hurting hearing, or
that we've ended up not hearing, like has there been
that for you in this process, No, and that.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
You know it's so it's music has always been vulnerability.

Speaker 8 (34:49):
That's what music is to me, like, and that's what
it's so fun is I've always been such a deep person,
but nobody ever wants to talk deep. So when I
got into music and everybody always wants to talk so
deep about things and write all these really vulnerable things,
that's like, I just I'm such an open book that
I love it. Like I'm the quickest person to just

(35:11):
meet you and tell you exactly what I got going
on in life, like and that's where it's just I
get it. Some artists and some writers are like, oh,
I don't know if I could tell people that, but
I'm like getting it off my chest has always been
the best for me. So that's how it started. When
I started writing music, was I was just I say
it in a lot A lot of a lot of

(35:32):
the shows vulnerability and like being vulnerable and like therapeutic
is writing to me, Like when I was sitting there
and like trying to write that my first song, I'll
never forget it. I just started writing from what I
had been through, things that had happened. That was really
recent back then, and that's what I've always done is

(35:54):
just try to be like so open and treat it
like therapy.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Guys.

Speaker 8 (35:59):
Then I write this song and I'm it's like, man,
I get paid to talk about my problems in a
song and write about my problems, and then it gets
to go and help so many other people that are
going through the same thing.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
So I think it goes back to like, man, I'm just.

Speaker 8 (36:17):
Like, it's like God's plan for me, man, because I
love I love talking about my problems and people love
hearing about it because it feels so relatable, I guess
or they can just like they heal from it. So nah, man,
I kind of put everything out there. And I really
think that's that was my motto in the beginning on
social media writing songs. Everything was like be all out there,

(36:41):
be exactly who you are, and never hold anything back
because that was an opportunity if you hold it back,
that was an opportunity for somebody to relate to what
you're going through, what you've been through. And it's like,
that's just the motto for me. So it's been awesome
being so vulnerable and so being able to just throw
everything out there. Because like, yeah, it's good life, right,

(37:03):
It's like absolutely therapy.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
And I imagine it's freeing, right, like because then you
don't have to worry about you know, I can't expose this,
You've already exposed it all.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Yeah, oh yeah, I'm out there. Man.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Oh yeah, what has been you know, you've been under
this microscope obviously for the last four five years. What
has been the hardest aspect for you to adjust to?
You know, because you went from one life to a
whole different life.

Speaker 8 (37:34):
Man, I'm still the same me that started. I'm still
the same twenty year old. But I would say navigate
I had. I would say I just had to like
grow up quicker and like I call it getting my
shit together quicker to where I just I feel like
because I was so like, because there is a lot

(37:58):
of people watching me, I guess I was like, hey, man,
you're gonna have to have the self awareness to not
go out and make the mistakes that others have. You're
gonna have to really learn from that before you do them.
And I've made my fair share of mistakes. But as
far as like touring and girls touring and girls do

(38:19):
not mix, I can't you know that just gets you
in trouble. I had to like really learn that, and
you know, any any other I feel like any other
man twenty year old.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
That you put on a tour with Morgan Wallen.

Speaker 8 (38:34):
It was crazy out there, you know, and like, you know,
so I would say, like that aspect of it, you know,
learning like, hey, man, you can't, like don't the temptation
was crazy. So like it was like the temptation of
drinking too much, the temptation of going out with girls,
the temptation of just.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Not being who I really am.

Speaker 8 (38:55):
That was like that was like a weird thing to
go through and like, Okay, I'm gonna have to figure
out how to like act like I've already made the
mistake and I've learned, like but I haven't. But so yeah,
I would say that was like, man, I went from
nobody watching me and I was still a great person,
but I was just like any other sixteen year old.

(39:16):
I was out there drinking beer and hooking girls and
you know, same thing, just like anybody else. But I
guess not everybody else, but you know where I come from,
that's the thing I guess. So growing up really quick,
that was like, Okay, you had your fun, dude, but
now you have an opportunity and you can't.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Mess it up and good luck.

Speaker 8 (39:37):
Yeah, soh yeah, growing up figuring it out really quick.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
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(40:02):
And you know, one thing that I've learned from talking
to so many people like yourself at a high level
is you really have to know who you are because
the temptation is so strong in so many different directions
and you have access to pretty much anything you want
at any time, that if you're not truly in tune
with who you are, you can get lost really quick,

(40:25):
you know.

Speaker 8 (40:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, dude. And I would even say, I'm
I'm definitely not perfect. I got lost along the way
the last couple of years. I've definitely had some like
ups and downs and stuff.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
That's life. You're gonna have that you're gonna learn, gonna grow.

Speaker 8 (40:39):
But exactly what you just said is like man being
able to drink so much and have so much fun
and nobody really cares and it's kind of part of
the job. Everybody's just like having so much fun and
that can get carried away really quick. And I had
to learn that, like, hey, whoa, you got to chill out, man,
you can't be doing this with that. So I mean, definitely,

(41:03):
you got to know who you are for sure. And
that's where I think I'm at now, is like I'm
totally grounded again and I'm like, Okay, I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
I'm ready to write more songs. I'm ready.

Speaker 8 (41:15):
I've actually experienced so much the last two or three years,
you know, I just put out this album, but I'm
ready to write songs again. And I'm like, I'm back
to who I truly, truly am. I don't drink that
much anymore. I have really got off just like partying
in general. I'm super focused on like family and making
sure that my people are taking care of just kind
of like the things you should be, yeah, really focused on.

(41:38):
I feel like I'm back there, and yeah, but they're
for you know, it got a little wonky for a
little while. We got a little roller coastry, but we
made it. But yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
And you were you know, if you're talking about the
an incident that I think you're talking about. You were
very open about that as well, you know, if you're
talking about, you know, the incident with the old on exactly,
you came out and did a video and was like, hey,
messed up.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Sorry about that.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
You know, I'm gonna do better next time. A lot
of people would be terrified to do that, you know.

Speaker 8 (42:14):
Yeah, And I think that goes back to what we
were talking about earlier, is just like the vulnerability of
like I am, I am totally okay with everybody watching
me all the time rock.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
I love it, but also understand I'm still.

Speaker 8 (42:27):
A human, Yeah, and I'm definitely gonna mess up it
from time to time on certain things.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
You know.

Speaker 8 (42:33):
I'm twenty five, right, so I'm like, yeah, and that's
where you know when I when I'm dude, it was bad.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
It was so bad.

Speaker 8 (42:41):
And now I can laugh about it because it's been
long enough. But man, at you know, I the reason
I made the video too in the first place was
I really just felt bad for the fans that support
me and for the people that know that's like not
who I am, right.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
I just felt so bad.

Speaker 8 (42:58):
I was like, honestly, I'm not apologizing to get anybody
that's hating on it. I'm kind of just apologizing to
like all these people that have supported me and I
let down, because that's that's over the last five years,
I feel like I've built a family across the world, man,
just everywhere I know all these people and they've just
supported me. And when you make a mistake like that
that goes viral like that, you just like, yep, I

(43:20):
got a man up. I gotta take accountability for my
actions and nobody can be mad at the guy that's like, yeah,
I messed up, like I messed up, and I'm gonna
do better next time for sure. And that's also a
thing too, is like my dad always telling me like, hey,
you can apologize, but if you do it again, that
apology doesn't matter at all because you didn't learn anything.

(43:40):
So that's where I'm at now, is like since then, man,
I've really been just like grinding, Like Okay, I'm like
I said, I'm not drinking barely any that much anymore,
especially not on like show days or whatever we've got going.
But yeah, just like taking accountability and being like I
will be next better next time, because there's not going

(44:01):
to be this next time, Like, I'm not going to
ever let this happen again because I value my career
too much and I value the love of everybody's that's
helped me build this career too much where it's like, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
And like you said, we all make mistakes. It's all
about accountability, and you did that, you know, and I
think I think fans respected and appreciated.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
That, so hopefully right, I'm like, hey, that's all.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
I got, absolutely, and that's all you can do. So
one of the things that I love about you is
that you have done all these different collabs, one of which,
you know, just hit number four on the Billboard Hot
one hundred. You know, You've done stuff with Diplow, who
I love, Jonas brother, Like, why has that been important

(44:48):
to you?

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (44:50):
Man, I would I would say that it's not like
always been like important, I guess to me. But at
first I didn't do any collabs at all, and I
kind of I there was one I did that I
just I didn't really know the people at all I
did it with, and it kind of like was just

(45:10):
a weird thing and it was really cool and it
was like, yeah, this is awesome, But I kind of
realized I want to know who I'm collabing with, and
like I want to know and that's what kind of
sent me on like collabs. I was like, man, who
could I reach out to? That's just like crazy, like
who could I.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Reach out to? And like see if they you know?

Speaker 8 (45:29):
And I think they just kind of randomly became a
part of my music. Like I would say I didn't.
I wasn't like I want a lot of collabs on
this record. I want to do all this stuff. It
was kind of like like the big ex collab. He
just I was sitting in the same spot I'm sitting
right now and he just texted me randomly and it

(45:50):
was the song and he was like, hey, man, do
you like this song?

Speaker 3 (45:53):
And I'm like, bro, I like this song.

Speaker 8 (45:56):
Dude's freaking fast, this sick so same thing with like
Luke Combs, I remember.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Which by the way, congratulations it is number one right now.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Thanks so much dude.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Thanks.

Speaker 8 (46:09):
Oh it's crazy even talking about this because I posted
it on social media. But I took a selfie with
Luke in October of twenty twenty four, and it's not
even October twenty twenty five and we have.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
The number one song on radio. It's so crazy man.
And same thing.

Speaker 8 (46:28):
I got this demo through text and it was backup
plan acoustic from these Tucker Bether, Jimmy Bell and I.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Think it's John Sherwood. I think it's Sherwood. I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 8 (46:44):
Anyways, they sent me a text Tucker Beller did and
he was like, hey man, do you like this song?

Speaker 3 (46:49):
And I was like, dude, I freaking loved this song.
And I remember listening.

Speaker 8 (46:53):
My producer Austin was there and he was like, hey man,
this song's sick, and I'm like, dude, you know who
would crush this? Luke Combs, Like truly, like this isn't like,
oh I want to do a song with Luke comb.
This is like Luke would crush this song. And he
was like yeah, but we don't know Luke Combs. And
I'm like, yeah, you're right, we don't, so so that
I just like kind of you know whatever. I'm like, okay,
I'm definitely putting that on my album. And then he

(47:15):
invited me to do concert for Carolina and then we
became like we just kind of started cutting up that
day and it was just like, man, like I really
like this dude, it seems like we're like really getting along.
And at the end of the night he gave me
his phone number and I was like, man, is this
like is this like God telling me I should just
shoot my shot right now?

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Like yeah.

Speaker 8 (47:36):
So I waited a little while because I was nervous.
I'd wake up and I'd be like, oh, I don't know,
I don't know. But then finally one morning I sent
the text and I was like, basically like, dude, I've
had this song forever. I don't know what you're doing,
but man, I think you would crush it. I think
the song smash. And he texted me back a month
later and he was like, dude, I'm in let's do

(47:59):
this song and then fast forwards. Now it's number one
on country radio, so it's like, wow, it kind of
just oh dude, it's it's literally mind blowing. I have
no idea what's going on. I always just saying I
just work here. I'm like, dude, I have no idea,
what's happening right now?

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Same thing, dode.

Speaker 8 (48:16):
I got a song with the kid Larroy. Yeah, right,
how does that even happen?

Speaker 5 (48:21):
Man?

Speaker 8 (48:21):
Like I've I've listened to kids since man almost since
he started like singing and stuff when he was like
fourteen fifteen years old. Like I remember watching him and
being like, man, I love this kid. And then he
went and went on to do like a song with
Justin that Stay, you know Stay, and he had a
massive hits himself, and I was just like already just

(48:42):
a massive fan. And then his agent, Mike g hit
me up and was like, hey, do you want to
go to dinner with kid Larroy? And I'm like, oh
my god, freaking heck, yeah I do. I'll go.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (48:57):
So then when he when we got to dinner, it
was it's just the same thing. We just started cutting
up and realized like man, we're we're one and the
same here, like we were what almost the same person?

Speaker 3 (49:07):
This is crazy.

Speaker 8 (49:08):
And he actually asked me, he said, hey, man, do
you wanna do you want to make music sometime? Like
I really like just love your vibe and you know,
we've having so much fun tonight, like we should make
music sometimes, and I'm like yeah. So that night after dinner,
he had a show and then he was like, man,
you got to take me on Broadway and you got
to take me out.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
And I was like, all right, let's go.

Speaker 8 (49:29):
So we ended up having a night, but on the
way to the too, we actually went to Morgan's. On
the way to Morgan's, he was like, man, you got
any songs, And I'm like, dude, I actually wanted to
play this earlier. It's it's a song that I feel
like is sonically really close.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
To what me and you could do.

Speaker 8 (49:46):
It's going on my album, but check this vibe out,
just check the vibe. It's like I'm like, maybe not
the song, but what about the vibe. And after the
song was done, it was lost. He was like, dude,
I love just that song, like that is like a smash. Dude,
like that's a that's a really big song. I'm like, dude, thanks,
And he kept saying that all night. He's like, dude,

(50:08):
play that song. Give Bailey Ox play that song. And
so finally I just was like, dude, you just want
to get on this thing, Like you just want to
get on the song. And he was like, bro, I'd
be honored to get on the song. So it's kind
of like staying with Diplo. Diplo just showed up at
my house one day.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
He just like.

Speaker 8 (50:26):
No, literally, he was like, hey, I'm on my way
and I'm like, holy crap, Diplo's on the way.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
To the house. This is crazy.

Speaker 8 (50:32):
And uh he just sat right here in the same
same position as we are sitting right now, and he
played me ashes and he was like, dude, I got
this song listen boom and I was like, dude, ah,
I love this, I love I love I love like
the story of it's pretty cool. It's not something I
usually talk about, but I like that it's different. The

(50:52):
production was just different. I was like, this is so cool.
And so yeah, all these new collabs, they just happened
like kind of buy coincidence.

Speaker 5 (51:01):
Man.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
I always that's what I've been saying.

Speaker 8 (51:03):
I'm like, dude, God is just taking care of me, man,
because I've been meeting so many people that I'm so
inspired by and have looked up to for a long time,
and the fact that they want to do music with
me is like, dude, crazy.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
And it's a testament to your talent and you as
a person. You know, I really truly believe that I
would love you just selfishly. I would love to see
you do like a full on just your voice on,
like a dance song. I think will be so cool,
so left field. But I just I just just in
your head for the future.

Speaker 8 (51:33):
Hey, I am not opposed to anything, you know. That's
what I've said since I started music, was like, I
grew up in country. I'm rooted in country. I like,
you know, I lived that life. But in the world,
I don't care what it is. If I love it,
I'm doing it. So I'm down there. Dz X dance

(51:53):
there you go.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Imagine I pop out with some like crazy dance and stuff.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
That'd be so dope.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
I'm mad at it.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
I'm rooting for it.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
I'm calling you though, I'm calling you.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I'll be hey, I'm there for you, all right, for
for for the album. You know, we've talked a lot
about the collabse and the single, how well it's done.
You're you're on the road right now and you are
such a showman. Where did that come from? Dude?

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Thanks? I like, God, give it. I have no idea.

Speaker 8 (52:23):
I I there's all these little things that people have said.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
They're like, you run around so much like you're not.
You don't get nervous. I'm like, no, I get nervous standing.
So if I'm standing in a mic, I'm nervous.

Speaker 8 (52:37):
But if I'm running around, I can't be that nervous
because my energy can't keep up, I guess, or the
nervousness can't keep up with like the energy. I don't know,
but I would say like ADHD helps me, So dude,
I would say ADHD. And then also Morgan Wallen because

(52:58):
getting getting to be on tour with Morgan so at first, okay,
so at first, when I started playing, it was like
I had watched YouTube videos of like my favorite band,
Tesla and Nickelback and all these just big artists watching
what they do and how they do it, and I
was like, okay, like okay, this is okay, this is

(53:21):
live music. Okay, I gotta like this is what I do.
And then I would say I kind of found my groove,
you know, in the two o'clock spot on a festival, right,
like get started finding my groove and finding what I
wanted to do. And then being on tour with Morgan
really opened my eyes to like I want to do that,
and I want to do that like that's sick and

(53:42):
that blow up thing is sick.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Like so I just learned a lot.

Speaker 8 (53:46):
Being on tour with him for two years was just
like whoa very I learned a lot. So then when
I went to go do my tour, it was kind
of like, Okay, I want to do that, but I
want to do it my way, and I want to
do this, but I want to do it like this
instead of that. And like what I love, dude, creating
my live show, finding moments to make it more awesome

(54:07):
and impactful and just the that is so fun to me.
I have a blast creating that. So I would say
I'm like not to where I want to be, but like,
it's been so much fun learning like trying new dance
moves and trying what works and what doesn't. And yeah,
so it's been fun. But God given, dude, I have
no idea. I don't know how I'm here.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
I I you know, I am bummed because I broke
my kneecap in February, so and I couldn't even get crush. Yeah,
I was trying to. I'm five seven and I was
wearing crocs and my best friend is six' four who
has been a basketball player all of his. LIFE i was,
like you THINK i could dunk and he was, like,
no absolutely. Not and then we had his son's fifth

(54:51):
birthday party at a like a sports complex and there
was an indoor court AND i was, like remember you
said a can? Dunk he was like, yeah And i'm,
like watch this. Man when, DIDN'T i was like feet
away from the hoop ten foot hoop went right down
on my kneecap on the. Hardwood couldn't drive for three.
Months it's been a. Mess BUT i missed training that
WILD i should, say LIKE i was like saving nuns

(55:13):
from a tiger attack or. Something but, yeah but, uh
BUT i missed your, show you, know BECAUSE i couldn't
go to any. Shows SO i need to know as
you're this kind of LEG i Hopefully leg one is
kind of winding. Down is there going to be A
leg two to support the?

Speaker 8 (55:31):
ALBUM i THINK i think we're gonna have, hopefully we're
working on it right. Now But i'm hoping to have another.
Tour so, honestly, Bro i'm never quitting. Touring, Yeah i'm never.
Quitting this is like ALL i want to. DO i
just love touring so. Much so of course there's gonna
be another tour next, year and probably the year after

(55:52):
that and the year after, That god, willing of.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Course but uh, yeah oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
AWESOME i can't wait to come see you for my
First bailey. SHOW i will be. THERE i can't wait.

Speaker 8 (56:06):
Hopefully, honestly you know, WHAT i would say that your
injury has probably saved me all tour BECAUSE i swing
in on a rope. Swing SO i bet he was, Like,
Okay i'm gonna have him break his knees so he'll be.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Good you, know, Hey i'll take it for, you, Man
i'll take.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
It so basically What i'm saying is thank.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
YOU i got, YOU i got. You how's the?

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Knee?

Speaker 1 (56:32):
NOW i was on crutches for like five months and
a full full brace from like my hip to my.
Ankle Now i'm on Like i'm supposed to be using a,
cane But i'm kind of hard. Headed so NOW i
have like a, small you, know sleeve or. Whatever and
But i'm you, Know i'm an active. PERSON i normally

(56:53):
am traveling a lot for my show and all and
that all just, stopped which. Sucked SO i ended. Up
i'm a Huge heart movie, fan AND i ended up
writing this book BECAUSE i had three MONTHS i couldn't.
DRIVE i was relying on other, People SO i wrote
this book called thirty One days of, horror which is
like it's like a challenge for my listeners and. Viewers
each day In, October i've chosen a different horror movie

(57:16):
and there's like interactive elements and like behind the scenes,
stuff and SO i tried to do something productive BECAUSE
i feel like you AND i are similar in that
way that LIKE i can't be still and so you,
Know i'm kind of forced to be stuck in my
house And i'm, Like, okay what CAN i? Do what
CAN i do that's? Creative all, Right i'm gonna write a.
Book i'm gonna do. This i'm gonna do. That i'm

(57:37):
gonna to be, like, DUDE i broke my.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
KNEE i Think i'm gonna write a. Book.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
YEAH i was, like my house is the cleanest it's
ever been in my, life because you, KNOW i was
like using my crutches AND i would sit down on
the floor and then just like hand do. It i'm
LIKE i was after like the third or fourth, DAY
i had run out of things to, do you, know

(58:02):
And i'm, like what AM i gonna do? Now so
THEN i just started getting, creative you, know finding that.
Outlet so write a, book, yes, sir, yes, Sir.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Well, dude it seems like you're on the home stretch.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
Then.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Cool, yeah, Yeah i'm getting. There i'm absolutely getting, There.
Bailey the album is, incredible the song again number one
another number one as we, speak and, uh and you
know you got what a couple of shows left right
on this this.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
STORE i think we have one show.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Left one show, okay and they they'll be able to
follow you for tour dates for next year AND i
will be there. Myself. BRO i can't. WAIT i can't. Wait,
Bro please come on your come on whenever you. Want
but your next, album your next, project let's do it.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Up, yeah, Dude we've got a lot more to talk.
ABOUT i CAN i can feel. It i'm LIKE i
want to talk. More so, yeah absolutely Absolutely thanks for
having me on this, one. Dude this is so.

Speaker 8 (59:00):
COOL i once again never thought i'd ever be Where i'm,
At so this is really cool getting to talk to
you and talk about.

Speaker 7 (59:08):
That.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Thanks, oh thank you, Man thank you for being such
a great. Artist thank you for being such a great,
guy being open and. VULNERABLE i appreciate. It.

Speaker 8 (59:15):
Bro oh yeah much love, Always bro and, lady it's.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
My, Boy Bailly. ZIMMERMAN i love, that. Dude so. Much
he's just like a genuinely amazing soul and such a
talented guy AND i just love. HIM i can't say
enough good stuff about. Him All, right that's another episode
of Pop Culture. Weekly huge thanks To Michael, Chavez James,
Wan Patrick wilson via From, meiga and the Homie Bailey

(59:45):
zimmerman for joining. Me if you liked today's, episode please
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