July 22, 2025 • 29 mins
Who got snubbed? Who surprised us? And is The Bear even a comedy? (We still don’t know.)
In this star-studded 2025 Emmy Awards nominations breakdown, Kyle McMahon welcomes back Rotten Tomatoes Awards Editor Jacqueline Coley to unpack the chaos, controversy and comedy of the 2025 Emmy nominations. From shocking shutouts (Squid Game & House of the Dragon, we’re looking at you) to Apple TV+’s quiet domination (Severance, The Studio, Shrinking), this episode dives deep into the biggest trends, breakout hits and Emmy dark horses.
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In this star-studded 2025 Emmy Awards nominations breakdown, Kyle McMahon welcomes back Rotten Tomatoes Awards Editor Jacqueline Coley to unpack the chaos, controversy and comedy of the 2025 Emmy nominations. From shocking shutouts (Squid Game & House of the Dragon, we’re looking at you) to Apple TV+’s quiet domination (Severance, The Studio, Shrinking), this episode dives deep into the biggest trends, breakout hits and Emmy dark horses.
💥 Topics we tackle:
- Why Sterling K. Brown is Emmy catnip (and yes, we said that)
- The Severance glow-up nobody saw coming
- White Lotus vs The Pit — which prestige drama will reign?
- The Bear’s identity crisis: Is it comedy, trauma, or both?
- Only Murders in the Building, Abbott Elementary, and other comedy heavyweights
- Apple TV+ as the new HBO? Kyle has thoughts™
- International contenders, streaming shakeups, and Emmy category chaos
- And yes, Kyle forgets about Adolescence until the very end and then has an existential moment about how good it is.
If you’re an Emmy junkie, pop culture nerd, or just here for the hot takes, this episode has it all — smart commentary, industry insights, and at least three times where Kyle and Jacqueline try not to spiral over TV politics.
Don’t miss:
- Kyle’s mini-rant about Pedro Pascal
- Jacqueline’s Emmy predictions (feast or famine incoming!)
- The best hour of television Kyle’s ever seen (spoiler: it involves Adolescence)
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Follow Jacqueline Coley everywhere, like on her Instagarm!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon from iHeartRadio,
your pop culture news, views, reviews, and celebrity interviews on
all the movies, TV, music, and pomp culture you crave Weekly.
Here's Kyle McMahon.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
So I am here once again with the always amazing
Jacqueline Coley, Awards editor at Rotten Tomatoes, who we love.
Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Thank you so much, Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Of course, it's always a pleasure talking to you. So
the numbs just came out for the twenty twenty five
Emmy Awards. What are your kind of general thoughts overall?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I mean, really it was a great year for television,
but in the kind of the Emmys this year, it
was really feast or famine. If you were one of
these shows that ended up being sort of like the Heart,
sort of beloved one from the Television Academy, you received
multiple nominations. Many of these shows broke category records for
the number of nominations for a show, stuff like the
studio shows like seven. But if you were some of
(01:01):
these bubble shows like Squid Game, House of Dragon or
some of the more quiet comedies, you really were just
absent from the entire awards conversation shows like the rehearsal.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, and that is interesting because I was shocked that
Squid Game didn't get anything at all, like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Squid Game, House of Dragon.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
And then people were surprised by show like Paradise making
it in over other shows like Your Friends and Neighbors.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Which a lot of folks had really enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah. Yeah, there are some interesting things this year. What
do you do you think there's a reason for that?
Is it just kind of one of those years.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
In truth be known? And we'll talk about this later.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
HBO, which is kind of known as the parentinal spot
for prime time, really highly produced incredible television. They led
with nominations, but if we really look at it, it's
the streamers that had such a huge dominance this year
and the viewing patterns of I would say general Americans
have really shifted. I mean you have HBO, which is
(02:04):
Max which is a streaming service although it is also linear,
but then you have Netflix, you also have Apple, and
you even have folks like Amazon with a show like
Paradise coming into the mix. And Disney's biggest show outside
of Abvid Elementary is and Or, which is only on
Disney Plus.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, so let's dive into some of these the drama category.
What's your take on the nominations and who do you
think is going to take it well.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Severance led in total nominations with twenty seven and this
is definitely one over at Rotten Tomatoes that everybody has
been sort of digging. Every single season has been certified fresh,
you know, with Ben Stiller. So I think the fact
that people have finally watched Severance. Its first season was
very good, but it was less watched. Now it's sort
of this cultural phenomenon. Everyone sort of appreciates the desperate
(02:56):
nature of corporate America. I think we all have, especially
post COVID, you know, going back to sometimes these not
really fulfilled office spaces. They it's really kind of hit
the seis geist moment, and so I'm really excited for
that one. But then a new show like The Pit,
which honestly feels like an old show because it echoes
so much with er that finding its way into the
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drama category winning over like we said, shows like shows
like Excuse Me that We're snubbed, that is I think
very noteworthy considering that it really does feel like an
old school drama that also certified fresh and also had
great audience scores.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Do for something like Paradise, which kind of I feel like,
at least in my bubble, kind of flew under the
radar viewer wise and really buzz wise. Was that a
surprise to you for forgetting a non for outstanding drama?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Well, I will go ahead and say that I did
predict it.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Over at Rotten Tomatoes dot com we have our yearly prediction,
So I actually did feel this, But it actually speaks
to more of the enduring love affair that the folks
within the television academy have for Sterling K. Brown. This
is a guy who sort of bursts onto the scene
with a show like The People versus OJ Simpson and
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then goes to cover that bet with an instellar run
on This is Us now with Paradise because he's coming
back with the COVID creator from This Is Us.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I think it was something where the general.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Public doesn't watch it, but television voters have kind of
decided if Sterling K. Brown is in it, I'm going
to give it its time, and I'm gonna go ahead
and commit to this. And it was one that the
critics also liked. It was eighty seven percent certified Fresh,
So I think it has more to do with the
sterling k Brown of it all. But yeah, I think
more people will tuned in for him and then found
out once they got there how great the show was.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, how about and or? Are you surprised to see
a You know, I don't feel this way, but I
feel like oftentimes in major award ceremonies, those types of
shows are ignored.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Were you surprised that No, I wasn't on that one?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Andre was another one that we definitely sort of predicted.
The more surprising thing that I found was that Diego
Luna was left off of the Best Actor in a
Drama Series. I mean, this show has really lived and
died by everything that he brought to the role of Kasian.
So I'm very glad to see that the show got honored,
but it was interesting that he wasn't.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So it was a bit of a mixed bag. Brander.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
They've always dominated the Creative Arts Emmys and a lot
of the technical stuff, visual effects, the production design, so
on and so forth, but you really would like to
see them have more of the actor performances. But side note,
voice performances by I believe Alan Tudic and one other
were nominated, so the show did get some above the
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lines thing, but again only in the voice categories.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Okay, and how about the Last of Us? I don't remember,
and I'm sure you do. If the first season was nominated,
it was, but yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
First season was nominated, and also Pedro got nominated for
the first season was well yeah, yeah, it had a
pretty good run in the first season, but this second
season was less well received. So it was interesting that
pretty much every category that they expected they had another
slew of nominations, and Pedro Pascal, who's only in half
(06:18):
of the episodes, still managed to garner a Best Lead
Actor nomination.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, which is pretty cool. I feel like everybody loves
him in my opinion.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
You know, it's another one where it's like, and this
is the thing with the Emmy's ballot that I really
want people to understand. Think about how many shows that
you want to catch that you haven't, and think about
how many names are involved in those shows. So when
folks are sitting down to make these votes, being somebody
like Pedro and Sterling K. Brown and other folks that
has that really instant name recognition and more importantly, a
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name you can't forget because they're in a project every
other week that really helps them with voting.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I mean it's a joke, but it's true.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah. Yeah. And Sterling, I mean he's as you said,
you know, he's such an amazing actor in general. Like
I've never watched anything that he's done that I was
disappointed in.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
You know, yeah, no, same, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
The So who are you thinking it'll go to for
Outstanding Drama.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Well, at this point, I feel I've made the show
to pit my personality.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I fell in love with that.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
I love TALKI procedural shows, whether it be a hospital
or a cop drama like that is the type like
Law and Order raised me an er, like put me
to bed. It's so, it's so that, But I have
to see the White Lotus, that those acting nominations really
dominating those below, those supporting casts, all of them getting noams,
(07:43):
has to make me think that that, along with the
sort of virality of you know, Buddhism and Parker Posey
and the Patrick Schwartzenegger and the snl of it all,
it seems like White Lotus was just so a part
of the consciousness that it may ride that way of
public understanding into an Emmy win.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I could really see that happening.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And do you think that it ever And this is
kind of in general, but using White Lotus as an example,
when there's multiple people, so many people from a series
that are nominated, does it ever cannibalize itself cannibalize the voters?
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I mean sometimes it does, but like from a show,
even like last year with the Last of Us, where
they had a ton of guest star performances that ended
up being nominated, it seems that although that does happen,
they eventually usually coll aalesque around one performance that stands
out on top of the other ones. And I think
this year, especially with somebody like Parker Posey, really sort
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of stands above everybody else in that particular show, or
even maybe a Carrie Coon. I think it's only when
there's two performances kind of split the vote where I
think it might be a little bit different. But with
the White Lotus, I think there's like a front runner
in each of those categories amongst the cast.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Okay, moving to Outstanding Comedy Series, there's some some new
series there, there's some not surprising series there. What do
you think about the NAMS this year for Outstanding Comedy.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I think it was a great overall microcosm of where
televisions today. You have network show like Abbott Elementary, you
have streaming shows like Nobody Wants This and Only Murderers
in the Building.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
And then you have these new sort of what I.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Would call the new cool kids of Apple popping in
there with Shrinking and The Studio, because both of those
shows I think show what Apple's been quietly doing over there,
which is getting some of the biggest stars I mean
Shrinking ern Harrison Ford his first Emmy nomination at eighty
three years young. And the Studio becomes this inside, behind
(09:51):
the scenes, satirical look into Hollywood that anybody who works
in Hollywood would see truth and kinship. So it's no
surprise that this, you know, Hollywood workplace drama is the
one that ends up resonating with the Television Academy.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
And then we have the controversial figure of the bear.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Is it really a comedy? Is it not really a comedy?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Leaning into this idea of what new comedy looks like,
which is also a part of the category. So I
just like how it shows everything you have wacky slapstick
stuff like what we do in the Shadows, and then
you have really grounded stuff like the Bear, and they
all work on this interesting and comedic level.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So it's interesting, you know, with the studio, which I love.
What I've noticed though, was all the people that I
talked to that know it and have watched it are
in the industry, and I wonder, I mean, for an
industry voted you know, award that doesn't really matter, but
(10:50):
is the general is it resonating with the general public,
Like none of my friends that aren't in the business
have have watched it, So I do wonder about that.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
I wonder about it too, because again I live in
a bit of the bubble of the industry and all
of my friends live for it. But Apple has said
that it has some of the best ratings on the
platform for the studio for a comedy. So Severan's I believe,
was its lead in for part of the season, and
then the studio had the lead in for Your Friends
(11:23):
and Neighbors after that, and Apple has said all of
the shows do extremely well. So I think it does
play because yes, Hollywood's stories about Hollywood, but I think
what the studio does really well is it's a farce,
Like it's so farcical.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
It is.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
People think that's what Hollywood people are like, So showing
them to be that cartoonish is something that even if
you aren't a part of it, you would still like
to be it. I've never really followed soccer, but I
liked Ted Lasso, and I think that may be the
appeal to audiences as well.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
That's a great point, nobody. I mean, I'm sorry, only
murders the building. Uh this is I feel like it's
a celebrated show. Has it won any major awards yet?
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Yes, Actually this past year at the SAG Awards, it
won Best Comedy Ensemble and I was actually there to
see the cast that was present. I believe it was
Selena Gomez, Kamil Nan Gianni. I want to say Richard
Kine was there, Like, don't quote me on that, but
a few of the cast members there to accept it.
But Martin Short and Steve Martin, who had been snubbed
(12:31):
every year that they went, did not come. And then
Martin Short actually won for Best Lead Actor as well.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
So it is a it was funny to kind of
watch that, But.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, it has won a few awards and This past
season was also great. They had new folks like Jane Lynch,
I mentioned, Kamil nan Gianni was in it, Melissa McCarthy
this last season had a ton of new folks out
of him.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
What do you think, who do you think is or
what what do you think is going to take it
this year?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
It's interesting.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
I do think Only Murders Left in the Building had
one of their best seasons last year. But Hacks has
been the sort of perennial favorite in this category. I mean,
the first year that the Bear came out, it swept
all of the Emmys categories, and I believe again even
the second year. But from its third year on it
has been losing to Hacks. And Gene Smart has been
(13:22):
dominating the Best Lead Actress category with straight wins every
year of their eligibility. So I actually think that it'll
be Hacks again this year. It is what people consider
to be the most pure, pure comedy in the category.
But don't count out a new show like Nobody Wants
This or even something like Only Murders Left in the
Building because a lot of the people that are in
(13:43):
SAG are also in the Television Academy.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Okay, let's talk about some of these shows, specifically Severance,
and you know, on the Apple side, Severance and the Studio,
let's dive into that. What do you think about out
you know, I love I love both of them. Severance.
The first season was kind of slow Burn for me
(14:07):
that I loved and I felt I thought was a
little bit too weird for kind of the general public,
but clearly in the second season that you know, was
not true. And then like the Studio we talked about,
you know, what do you think about those two?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I think it's really interesting because both of them show
for a lot of folks, as we mentioned, who maybe
not are watching Apple TV plus posts Ted Lasso, how
dynamic and diverse the slate over on Apple TV is.
You have Severance, this dark, dystopian workplace sci fi drama
where these folks are severing parts of their personality so
(14:46):
that they can become more appropriate corporate automatons and the
cover up around it. And then on the other side
you have this farcical, very broad comedy take the Studio,
and both of them led their categories with the most nominations,
the Studio time the Bear with twenty three nominations.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
And when you look at the nominees.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Both of them managed to get acting nominations for their
small parts. You have Zach Cherry from Severance as well
as Tremmel with his incredible marching band sequence from this
past year. You have these dazzling visual set pieces of Severance,
and then you have the long, sweeping one shots of
the studio, and both of these shows have huge production values.
(15:26):
Think of like F one style production value in these
television shows, and they bring out some of the best
on television. Martin Scorsesey and Ron Howard both earned Emmy
nominations for their work on the Studio, essentially playing themselves.
Zoe Kravitz did as well. And then, like I said,
with those acting and also visual effects and sequence nominations
(15:46):
for Severance.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I think too many people still sleep on Apple TV Plus.
It is from me. Since day one. It has been
consistently the best streamer where I know it is going
to be a high quality, not just production, but well written,
like they're for me. Apple TV Plus, I've not gotten
(16:14):
a miss from for anything that I've seen. It reminds
me of when I was a kid and HBO was
like the big thing that you went there for Prestige TV,
and I feel like Apple TV for me is now
that place. Not that HBO doesn't have great stuff, but
I feel like Apple TV is kind of the new
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HBO and the fact that everyone is whether it's a
hit or not, it's just like a knockout. What do
you think about that now?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Their consistency is key.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I mean, we haven't even talked about some of the
other shows that they had this year. They had a
show with David o'ellio called Government Cheese. They also had
several docs including like number one on the Call, She
shows that have come through there previously, like Emily Dickinson
obviously Ted Lasso. Either way, I think when they have
(17:06):
the goods, they can put out a very smart campaign
and they have put out very smart campaigns about how
to get them in front of the Television Academy audiences.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
And again, like I just feel the creative is behind it.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
You have been Silver also seth Rogen, which the studio
is one of the highest rated comedies that we have
on our comedies list this year, and from the minute
it premiered at south By Southwest, it has just kind
of been something that both audiences and critics like it.
I mean, I think we certified fresh that one before
the show even came out, and it's been ninety percent
(17:41):
all season.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
And they're having a great year. And I feel like,
you know, they're really starting to break through at least mainstream,
which is hysterical to say about Apple that's trillion dollar company,
but at least in this category, you know, in this
lens with F one being such a big hit, and
you know, I really feel like they're they're making their
(18:04):
marking their territory, if you will. It was what a
few years ago that Coda won the Oscar and that
was kind of like the big debut I would say
for Apple as a serious contender here, and then they've
slowly been like, you know, chipping away at that to
to greater and greater acclaim and and I would say
(18:27):
awareness from like the general public of a lot of
these shows. So I'm happy to see it.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
On the other end, speaking of great shows, HBO with White,
the White Lotus and The Pit, you know, they are
still consistently putting out bangers as well that kind of
have never you know, HBO has never really gone off
the map in regards to award ceremonies. Would you say,
(18:57):
would you agree?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
No?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
I mean, in this past year, they led the distributor
platform with the most nominations at one hundred and seventy three.
To put it in perspective, Apple had eighty one, so
double what Apple achieved with THEIRS. But that is also
a more comprehensive list of nominees. I mean, you can
(19:19):
take a show like Dune, which didn't get any above
the line nominations, but Dune Prophecy, that show that they
did on Hbox, received a ton of below the line nomination.
Same thing for House of the Dragon. And that's not
to mention we haven't talked about it yet. They also
have a very busy original film slate, and so they
did Mountainhead this past year with Steve Carell, and both
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him and the film ended up garnering a ton of nominations.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
And that's just talking about the drama side.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
On the comedy side, they managed to score their very
first two nominations for this quiet show that they've had
on their platform called Somebody Somewhere. It is written and
directed by Britt Everett. Folksing recognize she's sort of a
comedian who's been on the circuit for a long time.
But it's one of those shows where your really cool
(20:07):
friends know about it and they've been trying to get
you to watch it for years, but you probably haven't.
And that both the show and one of the supporting
actors from the show got a nomination. They got a
writing nomination in that, and I think it just shows
again HBO plays with more decks than anybody else in
very different places. They will have documentary series that are nominated,
they will have drama, comedy.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Also.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I didn't even mention the stand up specials that they
also managed to earn for nomination. So the breath of
what HBO does is just so much bigger than what some.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Of these other folks, even Netflix could and can do.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Speaking of that, Netflix has often been toe to toe
with HBO in regards to noms. That's a little different
this year, right, Yeah, Like I.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Said, so, HBO I believe topped. I believe they topped.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Sorry, HBO topped the total nominations, but Netflix was still
up there and definitely in the triple digits. And they
always kind of go back and forth with NETS and
HBO to see who gets the best of the total nominations.
Because they also have the largest market share, and with
Netflix it's global, So even their global product like Squid Game,
that will earn some nominations, it'll happen for these products
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that are not even in English language, that were marketed
to an entirely different part of the of the globe.
HBO manages to do this mostly with stuff that's marketed
and set for North America.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
And speaking of that, Showgun was one that really surprised
me this year. Was that a surprise to you at all?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
From last year? Last year? Sorry from last year?
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Yeah, No, Showgun wasn't post squid Game, post Parasite. There's
been this globalization of our viewing habits and our theater
habits over the past few years. I mean, we see
it rotten tomatoes. We have a lot of folks that
visit our site that are not from English language countries,
that are not from countries that we can even like
translate the site easily to. But they're passionate about film,
(22:11):
they're passionate about storytelling, and with these streamers and with
the sort of like access that you're able to have
now with digitization, a lot of folks become fans of
things being very far removed. We've seen this with like
k dramas becoming popular here. A lot of the HBO
products that are made here are then put on British
television and other parts of Europe.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
So I think that is.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
The reason why you're able to see shows like Showgun
happen younger audiences, which are very much used to subtitles
because of how they interact on the Internet. They are
less turned off by the idea of seeing something with subtitles,
whether it be a television show or a film. So
I think all of those sort of combined to make
it to where, yeah, this is going to be old hat,
(22:53):
and we'll see more what I consider international productions in
the Emmys as things continue.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
And is there this year a show Gun not? You know,
obviously that didn't do a million different nums, but is
there anything kind of on the radar similar to that
in an you know, in an international way.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
There is They just did not receive Emmy nominations. I
know crunchy Roll had a few things that it was
able to get nominations for this year, in some short
form and animated series, but for the most part, squid
Game got some nominations.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Below the line stuff like that, but they were kind
of shut out.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Out of those major ones, and I don't think I
can think of one.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Besides Bad Sisters, which is not.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Foreign language but is an Irish BBC. I'm sorry, in
Irish production. Adams the international import that made a big
impact in any of the above line categories, or if
you maybe wanted to say Alfonso Quran's disclaimer, Yes, that's
in English and mostly America performers. So it's like it's
sort of like international issue.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Right right? Are you going back to Squid Game for
a moment. I have been obsessed since it started, and
you know, binged the last season as of now. I
really thought this year that it would kind of get
all these noams. I mean, you know, I feel like
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traditionally award shows, will you know, look at Lord of
the Rings where in the theaters or for the Oscars
where it was the third one that you know what
I mean? I kind of was expecting that with Squid Game.
Is that not a thing for on the Emmy side, like, oh,
we know it's your final season, let's praise it.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I think there's two things.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
The television calendar has shifted. If you look at the
shows that got nominations. A lot of them premiered further
back than we're used to to carry over. A show
like Abbot Elementary starts in September. I believe the Pit
started in January of this year. Severance was already finished
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long before any voting season started. And a lot of
these shows that premiered later, like Squid Game, for example,
which premiered almost right before the voting window closed, they
did not fare as well. And people forget this, but
Copra Kai used to be a part of the any conversation,
and they came and went and so or even a
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show like the Rehearsal, which was also a bit later
in the year than what we've typically seen. It's sort
of shifting. And I think Squid Game may have suffered
from it's late in the calendar premiere because I believe
part two was what April May April?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, Okay, that's a completely makes sense, you know.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Taken it for me, I don't know, but that's the
way it felt.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
So you know, we'll see, we'll see what ends up
happening either way, but yeah, it seems that way.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
So zooming out, What are you expecting from the twenty
twenty five Emmys.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Well, I think it's gonna be again some more Feast
or Famine. I don't know which of these titles the
Television Academy is going to favor more. I think sometimes
there's backlash against over nominations, so like if they feel
a show overperformed in absence of better things, they may
take it out on that. You know, they may be like,
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we'd really need to have all of the guest performances
of one category B for White Lotus, because there is
a category this year. I believe best guests are in
a comedy, for example, they all are the studio and
then it's John Barenthal. Some people say, oh, they may
just go with John Barenthal because.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
They don't want it to be bullied by all the
folks from the studio, So that could happen. But I
think it's going to be like a sweep.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
I think shows like Adolescents on the Limited Series a
lot of the categories over there. I think either the
White Lotus or the Pit or Severance, whichever one ends
up being the one that the Television Academy loves more,
it will be a clean sweep. They'll get you know,
lead supporting and a lot of the writing and acting,
and as of this moment, on the comedy side, because
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Hacks has been so perennial and so dominating, they're the
only ones I feel very safe at this point in predicting.
They had an incredible season last season. Even more, somebody
they brought in last season as a new assistant instantly
walked into an Emmy.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
That shows the strength of that show.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I love that. And I didn't plan on asking about this,
but just as a note Adolescence, because I had completely
forgotten about it. That second episode of that and I
know that that kid is nominated is probably the most
powerful hour of television I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I don't disagree. And that's the thing I think Adolescence
has on its side. It managed to captivate the globe
and spark conversations and be incredibly entertaining and well made
in four episodes.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Four episodes, that's it.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
It's in and out, and it manages to go really
oceans of places in character development. So I think that
actually is going to be the biggest thing about that show.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
And you're right.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
The second episode is really where you're like, Oh, this
isn't just good, this is incredible.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, yeah, with and it was one take, you know,
I mean that with the kid and I feel horrible
that I don't know his name. And the therapist, I
mean that was, like I said, I would say, the
best hour of television I've ever seen. It was so captivating.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
The character.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
The woman who plays the therapist Aaron Doherty. She also
played Queen Anne or Princess Anne sorry in The Crown.
I believe she got snubs for her performance in that,
and so this is like very just desserts that she
finally gets an Emmy nomination here.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I love that. Jacqueline. Where can we find you to
catch up with all of your awesome covering, Well, you.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Can find me at that Jacqueline Anywhere and my writing
and musings about bard season, particularly Emmy seasons that rot
Tomatoes dot com. But be sure to check out our
brand new app where you can put all of these
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what you should watch next.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Awesome Jacqueline Coley as always a pleasure. Thank you so
much for joining me.
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
So I am here once again with the always amazing
Jacqueline Coley, Awards editor at Rotten Tomatoes, who we love.
Welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Thank you so much, Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Of course, it's always a pleasure talking to you. So
the numbs just came out for the twenty twenty five
Emmy Awards. What are your kind of general thoughts overall?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I mean, really it was a great year for television,
but in the kind of the Emmys this year, it
was really feast or famine. If you were one of
these shows that ended up being sort of like the Heart,
sort of beloved one from the Television Academy, you received
multiple nominations. Many of these shows broke category records for
the number of nominations for a show, stuff like the
studio shows like seven. But if you were some of
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these bubble shows like Squid Game, House of Dragon or
some of the more quiet comedies, you really were just
absent from the entire awards conversation shows like the rehearsal.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, and that is interesting because I was shocked that
Squid Game didn't get anything at all, like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Squid Game, House of Dragon.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
And then people were surprised by show like Paradise making
it in over other shows like Your Friends and Neighbors.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Which a lot of folks had really enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah. Yeah, there are some interesting things this year. What
do you do you think there's a reason for that?
Is it just kind of one of those years.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
In truth be known? And we'll talk about this later.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
HBO, which is kind of known as the parentinal spot
for prime time, really highly produced incredible television. They led
with nominations, but if we really look at it, it's
the streamers that had such a huge dominance this year
and the viewing patterns of I would say general Americans
have really shifted. I mean you have HBO, which is
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Max which is a streaming service although it is also linear,
but then you have Netflix, you also have Apple, and
you even have folks like Amazon with a show like
Paradise coming into the mix. And Disney's biggest show outside
of Abvid Elementary is and Or, which is only on
Disney Plus.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, so let's dive into some of these the drama category.
What's your take on the nominations and who do you
think is going to take it well.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Severance led in total nominations with twenty seven and this
is definitely one over at Rotten Tomatoes that everybody has
been sort of digging. Every single season has been certified fresh,
you know, with Ben Stiller. So I think the fact
that people have finally watched Severance. Its first season was
very good, but it was less watched. Now it's sort
of this cultural phenomenon. Everyone sort of appreciates the desperate
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nature of corporate America. I think we all have, especially
post COVID, you know, going back to sometimes these not
really fulfilled office spaces. They it's really kind of hit
the seis geist moment, and so I'm really excited for
that one. But then a new show like The Pit,
which honestly feels like an old show because it echoes
so much with er that finding its way into the
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drama category winning over like we said, shows like shows
like Excuse Me that We're snubbed, that is I think
very noteworthy considering that it really does feel like an
old school drama that also certified fresh and also had
great audience scores.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Do for something like Paradise, which kind of I feel like,
at least in my bubble, kind of flew under the
radar viewer wise and really buzz wise. Was that a
surprise to you for forgetting a non for outstanding drama?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Well, I will go ahead and say that I did
predict it.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Over at Rotten Tomatoes dot com we have our yearly prediction,
So I actually did feel this, But it actually speaks
to more of the enduring love affair that the folks
within the television academy have for Sterling K. Brown. This
is a guy who sort of bursts onto the scene
with a show like The People versus OJ Simpson and
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then goes to cover that bet with an instellar run
on This is Us now with Paradise because he's coming
back with the COVID creator from This Is Us.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I think it was something where the general.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Public doesn't watch it, but television voters have kind of
decided if Sterling K. Brown is in it, I'm going
to give it its time, and I'm gonna go ahead
and commit to this. And it was one that the
critics also liked. It was eighty seven percent certified Fresh,
So I think it has more to do with the
sterling k Brown of it all. But yeah, I think
more people will tuned in for him and then found
out once they got there how great the show was.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, how about and or? Are you surprised to see
a You know, I don't feel this way, but I
feel like oftentimes in major award ceremonies, those types of
shows are ignored.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Were you surprised that No, I wasn't on that one?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Andre was another one that we definitely sort of predicted.
The more surprising thing that I found was that Diego
Luna was left off of the Best Actor in a
Drama Series. I mean, this show has really lived and
died by everything that he brought to the role of Kasian.
So I'm very glad to see that the show got honored,
but it was interesting that he wasn't.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So it was a bit of a mixed bag. Brander.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
They've always dominated the Creative Arts Emmys and a lot
of the technical stuff, visual effects, the production design, so
on and so forth, but you really would like to
see them have more of the actor performances. But side note,
voice performances by I believe Alan Tudic and one other
were nominated, so the show did get some above the
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lines thing, but again only in the voice categories.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Okay, and how about the Last of Us? I don't remember,
and I'm sure you do. If the first season was nominated,
it was, but yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
First season was nominated, and also Pedro got nominated for
the first season was well yeah, yeah, it had a
pretty good run in the first season, but this second
season was less well received. So it was interesting that
pretty much every category that they expected they had another
slew of nominations, and Pedro Pascal, who's only in half
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of the episodes, still managed to garner a Best Lead
Actor nomination.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, which is pretty cool. I feel like everybody loves
him in my opinion.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
You know, it's another one where it's like, and this
is the thing with the Emmy's ballot that I really
want people to understand. Think about how many shows that
you want to catch that you haven't, and think about
how many names are involved in those shows. So when
folks are sitting down to make these votes, being somebody
like Pedro and Sterling K. Brown and other folks that
has that really instant name recognition and more importantly, a
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name you can't forget because they're in a project every
other week that really helps them with voting.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I mean it's a joke, but it's true.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah. Yeah. And Sterling, I mean he's as you said,
you know, he's such an amazing actor in general. Like
I've never watched anything that he's done that I was
disappointed in.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
You know, yeah, no, same, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
The So who are you thinking it'll go to for
Outstanding Drama.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Well, at this point, I feel I've made the show
to pit my personality.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I fell in love with that.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
I love TALKI procedural shows, whether it be a hospital
or a cop drama like that is the type like
Law and Order raised me an er, like put me
to bed. It's so, it's so that, But I have
to see the White Lotus, that those acting nominations really
dominating those below, those supporting casts, all of them getting noams,
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has to make me think that that, along with the
sort of virality of you know, Buddhism and Parker Posey
and the Patrick Schwartzenegger and the snl of it all,
it seems like White Lotus was just so a part
of the consciousness that it may ride that way of
public understanding into an Emmy win.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I could really see that happening.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And do you think that it ever And this is
kind of in general, but using White Lotus as an example,
when there's multiple people, so many people from a series
that are nominated, does it ever cannibalize itself cannibalize the voters?
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I mean sometimes it does, but like from a show,
even like last year with the Last of Us, where
they had a ton of guest star performances that ended
up being nominated, it seems that although that does happen,
they eventually usually coll aalesque around one performance that stands
out on top of the other ones. And I think
this year, especially with somebody like Parker Posey, really sort
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of stands above everybody else in that particular show, or
even maybe a Carrie Coon. I think it's only when
there's two performances kind of split the vote where I
think it might be a little bit different. But with
the White Lotus, I think there's like a front runner
in each of those categories amongst the cast.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Okay, moving to Outstanding Comedy Series, there's some some new
series there, there's some not surprising series there. What do
you think about the NAMS this year for Outstanding Comedy.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I think it was a great overall microcosm of where
televisions today. You have network show like Abbott Elementary, you
have streaming shows like Nobody Wants This and Only Murderers
in the Building.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
And then you have these new sort of what I.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Would call the new cool kids of Apple popping in
there with Shrinking and The Studio, because both of those
shows I think show what Apple's been quietly doing over there,
which is getting some of the biggest stars I mean
Shrinking ern Harrison Ford his first Emmy nomination at eighty
three years young. And the Studio becomes this inside, behind
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the scenes, satirical look into Hollywood that anybody who works
in Hollywood would see truth and kinship. So it's no
surprise that this, you know, Hollywood workplace drama is the
one that ends up resonating with the Television Academy.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
And then we have the controversial figure of the bear.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Is it really a comedy? Is it not really a comedy?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Leaning into this idea of what new comedy looks like,
which is also a part of the category. So I
just like how it shows everything you have wacky slapstick
stuff like what we do in the Shadows, and then
you have really grounded stuff like the Bear, and they
all work on this interesting and comedic level.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So it's interesting, you know, with the studio, which I love.
What I've noticed though, was all the people that I
talked to that know it and have watched it are
in the industry, and I wonder, I mean, for an
industry voted you know, award that doesn't really matter, but
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is the general is it resonating with the general public,
Like none of my friends that aren't in the business
have have watched it, So I do wonder about that.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
I wonder about it too, because again I live in
a bit of the bubble of the industry and all
of my friends live for it. But Apple has said
that it has some of the best ratings on the
platform for the studio for a comedy. So Severan's I believe,
was its lead in for part of the season, and
then the studio had the lead in for Your Friends
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and Neighbors after that, and Apple has said all of
the shows do extremely well. So I think it does
play because yes, Hollywood's stories about Hollywood, but I think
what the studio does really well is it's a farce,
Like it's so farcical.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
It is.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
People think that's what Hollywood people are like, So showing
them to be that cartoonish is something that even if
you aren't a part of it, you would still like
to be it. I've never really followed soccer, but I
liked Ted Lasso, and I think that may be the
appeal to audiences as well.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
That's a great point, nobody. I mean, I'm sorry, only
murders the building. Uh this is I feel like it's
a celebrated show. Has it won any major awards yet?
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Yes, Actually this past year at the SAG Awards, it
won Best Comedy Ensemble and I was actually there to
see the cast that was present. I believe it was
Selena Gomez, Kamil Nan Gianni. I want to say Richard
Kine was there, Like, don't quote me on that, but
a few of the cast members there to accept it.
But Martin Short and Steve Martin, who had been snubbed
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every year that they went, did not come. And then
Martin Short actually won for Best Lead Actor as well.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
So it is a it was funny to kind of
watch that, But.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, it has won a few awards and This past
season was also great. They had new folks like Jane Lynch,
I mentioned, Kamil nan Gianni was in it, Melissa McCarthy
this last season had a ton of new folks out
of him.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
What do you think, who do you think is or
what what do you think is going to take it
this year?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
It's interesting.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
I do think Only Murders Left in the Building had
one of their best seasons last year. But Hacks has
been the sort of perennial favorite in this category. I mean,
the first year that the Bear came out, it swept
all of the Emmys categories, and I believe again even
the second year. But from its third year on it
has been losing to Hacks. And Gene Smart has been
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dominating the Best Lead Actress category with straight wins every
year of their eligibility. So I actually think that it'll
be Hacks again this year. It is what people consider
to be the most pure, pure comedy in the category.
But don't count out a new show like Nobody Wants
This or even something like Only Murders Left in the
Building because a lot of the people that are in
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SAG are also in the Television Academy.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Okay, let's talk about some of these shows, specifically Severance,
and you know, on the Apple side, Severance and the Studio,
let's dive into that. What do you think about out
you know, I love I love both of them. Severance.
The first season was kind of slow Burn for me
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that I loved and I felt I thought was a
little bit too weird for kind of the general public,
but clearly in the second season that you know, was
not true. And then like the Studio we talked about,
you know, what do you think about those two?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I think it's really interesting because both of them show
for a lot of folks, as we mentioned, who maybe
not are watching Apple TV plus posts Ted Lasso, how
dynamic and diverse the slate over on Apple TV is.
You have Severance, this dark, dystopian workplace sci fi drama
where these folks are severing parts of their personality so
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that they can become more appropriate corporate automatons and the
cover up around it. And then on the other side
you have this farcical, very broad comedy take the Studio,
and both of them led their categories with the most nominations,
the Studio time the Bear with twenty three nominations.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
And when you look at the nominees.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Both of them managed to get acting nominations for their
small parts. You have Zach Cherry from Severance as well
as Tremmel with his incredible marching band sequence from this
past year. You have these dazzling visual set pieces of Severance,
and then you have the long, sweeping one shots of
the studio, and both of these shows have huge production values.
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Think of like F one style production value in these
television shows, and they bring out some of the best
on television. Martin Scorsesey and Ron Howard both earned Emmy
nominations for their work on the Studio, essentially playing themselves.
Zoe Kravitz did as well. And then, like I said,
with those acting and also visual effects and sequence nominations
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for Severance.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I think too many people still sleep on Apple TV Plus.
It is from me. Since day one. It has been
consistently the best streamer where I know it is going
to be a high quality, not just production, but well written,
like they're for me. Apple TV Plus, I've not gotten
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a miss from for anything that I've seen. It reminds
me of when I was a kid and HBO was
like the big thing that you went there for Prestige TV,
and I feel like Apple TV for me is now
that place. Not that HBO doesn't have great stuff, but
I feel like Apple TV is kind of the new
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HBO and the fact that everyone is whether it's a
hit or not, it's just like a knockout. What do
you think about that now?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Their consistency is key.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I mean, we haven't even talked about some of the
other shows that they had this year. They had a
show with David o'ellio called Government Cheese. They also had
several docs including like number one on the Call, She
shows that have come through there previously, like Emily Dickinson
obviously Ted Lasso. Either way, I think when they have
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the goods, they can put out a very smart campaign
and they have put out very smart campaigns about how
to get them in front of the Television Academy audiences.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
And again, like I just feel the creative is behind it.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
You have been Silver also seth Rogen, which the studio
is one of the highest rated comedies that we have
on our comedies list this year, and from the minute
it premiered at south By Southwest, it has just kind
of been something that both audiences and critics like it.
I mean, I think we certified fresh that one before
the show even came out, and it's been ninety percent
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all season.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
And they're having a great year. And I feel like,
you know, they're really starting to break through at least mainstream,
which is hysterical to say about Apple that's trillion dollar company,
but at least in this category, you know, in this
lens with F one being such a big hit, and
you know, I really feel like they're they're making their
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marking their territory, if you will. It was what a
few years ago that Coda won the Oscar and that
was kind of like the big debut I would say
for Apple as a serious contender here, and then they've
slowly been like, you know, chipping away at that to
to greater and greater acclaim and and I would say
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awareness from like the general public of a lot of
these shows. So I'm happy to see it.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
On the other end, speaking of great shows, HBO with White,
the White Lotus and The Pit, you know, they are
still consistently putting out bangers as well that kind of
have never you know, HBO has never really gone off
the map in regards to award ceremonies. Would you say,
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would you agree?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
No?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
I mean, in this past year, they led the distributor
platform with the most nominations at one hundred and seventy three.
To put it in perspective, Apple had eighty one, so
double what Apple achieved with THEIRS. But that is also
a more comprehensive list of nominees. I mean, you can
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take a show like Dune, which didn't get any above
the line nominations, but Dune Prophecy, that show that they
did on Hbox, received a ton of below the line nomination.
Same thing for House of the Dragon. And that's not
to mention we haven't talked about it yet. They also
have a very busy original film slate, and so they
did Mountainhead this past year with Steve Carell, and both
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him and the film ended up garnering a ton of nominations.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
And that's just talking about the drama side.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
On the comedy side, they managed to score their very
first two nominations for this quiet show that they've had
on their platform called Somebody Somewhere. It is written and
directed by Britt Everett. Folksing recognize she's sort of a
comedian who's been on the circuit for a long time.
But it's one of those shows where your really cool
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friends know about it and they've been trying to get
you to watch it for years, but you probably haven't.
And that both the show and one of the supporting
actors from the show got a nomination. They got a
writing nomination in that, and I think it just shows
again HBO plays with more decks than anybody else in
very different places. They will have documentary series that are nominated,
they will have drama, comedy.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Also.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I didn't even mention the stand up specials that they
also managed to earn for nomination. So the breath of
what HBO does is just so much bigger than what some.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Of these other folks, even Netflix could and can do.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Speaking of that, Netflix has often been toe to toe
with HBO in regards to noms. That's a little different
this year, right, Yeah, Like I.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Said, so, HBO I believe topped. I believe they topped.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Sorry, HBO topped the total nominations, but Netflix was still
up there and definitely in the triple digits. And they
always kind of go back and forth with NETS and
HBO to see who gets the best of the total nominations.
Because they also have the largest market share, and with
Netflix it's global, So even their global product like Squid Game,
that will earn some nominations, it'll happen for these products
(21:28):
that are not even in English language, that were marketed
to an entirely different part of the of the globe.
HBO manages to do this mostly with stuff that's marketed
and set for North America.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
And speaking of that, Showgun was one that really surprised
me this year. Was that a surprise to you at all?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
From last year? Last year? Sorry from last year?
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Yeah, No, Showgun wasn't post squid Game, post Parasite. There's
been this globalization of our viewing habits and our theater
habits over the past few years. I mean, we see
it rotten tomatoes. We have a lot of folks that
visit our site that are not from English language countries,
that are not from countries that we can even like
translate the site easily to. But they're passionate about film,
(22:11):
they're passionate about storytelling, and with these streamers and with
the sort of like access that you're able to have
now with digitization, a lot of folks become fans of
things being very far removed. We've seen this with like
k dramas becoming popular here. A lot of the HBO
products that are made here are then put on British
television and other parts of Europe.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
So I think that is.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
The reason why you're able to see shows like Showgun
happen younger audiences, which are very much used to subtitles
because of how they interact on the Internet. They are
less turned off by the idea of seeing something with subtitles,
whether it be a television show or a film. So
I think all of those sort of combined to make
it to where, yeah, this is going to be old hat,
(22:53):
and we'll see more what I consider international productions in
the Emmys as things continue.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
And is there this year a show Gun not? You know,
obviously that didn't do a million different nums, but is
there anything kind of on the radar similar to that
in an you know, in an international way.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
There is They just did not receive Emmy nominations. I
know crunchy Roll had a few things that it was
able to get nominations for this year, in some short
form and animated series, but for the most part, squid
Game got some nominations.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Below the line stuff like that, but they were kind
of shut out.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Out of those major ones, and I don't think I
can think of one.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Besides Bad Sisters, which is not.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Foreign language but is an Irish BBC. I'm sorry, in
Irish production. Adams the international import that made a big
impact in any of the above line categories, or if
you maybe wanted to say Alfonso Quran's disclaimer, Yes, that's
in English and mostly America performers. So it's like it's
sort of like international issue.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Right right? Are you going back to Squid Game for
a moment. I have been obsessed since it started, and
you know, binged the last season as of now. I
really thought this year that it would kind of get
all these noams. I mean, you know, I feel like
(24:25):
traditionally award shows, will you know, look at Lord of
the Rings where in the theaters or for the Oscars
where it was the third one that you know what
I mean? I kind of was expecting that with Squid Game.
Is that not a thing for on the Emmy side, like, oh,
we know it's your final season, let's praise it.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I think there's two things.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
The television calendar has shifted. If you look at the
shows that got nominations. A lot of them premiered further
back than we're used to to carry over. A show
like Abbot Elementary starts in September. I believe the Pit
started in January of this year. Severance was already finished
(25:11):
long before any voting season started. And a lot of
these shows that premiered later, like Squid Game, for example,
which premiered almost right before the voting window closed, they
did not fare as well. And people forget this, but
Copra Kai used to be a part of the any conversation,
and they came and went and so or even a
(25:32):
show like the Rehearsal, which was also a bit later
in the year than what we've typically seen. It's sort
of shifting. And I think Squid Game may have suffered
from it's late in the calendar premiere because I believe
part two was what April May April?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, Okay, that's a completely makes sense, you know.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Taken it for me, I don't know, but that's the
way it felt.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
So you know, we'll see, we'll see what ends up
happening either way, but yeah, it seems that way.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
So zooming out, What are you expecting from the twenty
twenty five Emmys.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Well, I think it's gonna be again some more Feast
or Famine. I don't know which of these titles the
Television Academy is going to favor more. I think sometimes
there's backlash against over nominations, so like if they feel
a show overperformed in absence of better things, they may
take it out on that. You know, they may be like,
(26:31):
we'd really need to have all of the guest performances
of one category B for White Lotus, because there is
a category this year. I believe best guests are in
a comedy, for example, they all are the studio and
then it's John Barenthal. Some people say, oh, they may
just go with John Barenthal because.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
They don't want it to be bullied by all the
folks from the studio, So that could happen. But I
think it's going to be like a sweep.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
I think shows like Adolescents on the Limited Series a
lot of the categories over there. I think either the
White Lotus or the Pit or Severance, whichever one ends
up being the one that the Television Academy loves more,
it will be a clean sweep. They'll get you know,
lead supporting and a lot of the writing and acting,
and as of this moment, on the comedy side, because
(27:16):
Hacks has been so perennial and so dominating, they're the
only ones I feel very safe at this point in predicting.
They had an incredible season last season. Even more, somebody
they brought in last season as a new assistant instantly
walked into an Emmy.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
That shows the strength of that show.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I love that. And I didn't plan on asking about this,
but just as a note Adolescence, because I had completely
forgotten about it. That second episode of that and I
know that that kid is nominated is probably the most
powerful hour of television I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I don't disagree. And that's the thing I think Adolescence
has on its side. It managed to captivate the globe
and spark conversations and be incredibly entertaining and well made
in four episodes.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Four episodes, that's it.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
It's in and out, and it manages to go really
oceans of places in character development. So I think that
actually is going to be the biggest thing about that show.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
And you're right.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
The second episode is really where you're like, Oh, this
isn't just good, this is incredible.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, yeah, with and it was one take, you know,
I mean that with the kid and I feel horrible
that I don't know his name. And the therapist, I
mean that was, like I said, I would say, the
best hour of television I've ever seen. It was so captivating.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
The character.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
The woman who plays the therapist Aaron Doherty. She also
played Queen Anne or Princess Anne sorry in The Crown.
I believe she got snubs for her performance in that,
and so this is like very just desserts that she
finally gets an Emmy nomination here.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I love that. Jacqueline. Where can we find you to
catch up with all of your awesome covering, Well, you.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Can find me at that Jacqueline Anywhere and my writing
and musings about bard season, particularly Emmy seasons that rot
Tomatoes dot com. But be sure to check out our
brand new app where you can put all of these
titles on your watch list. We just launched it this
past month and now you can go on there, check scores,
write your reviews, and more importantly, be like, oh I
(29:21):
liked Adolescents. You can go on there and find out
what you should watch next.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Awesome Jacqueline Coley as always a pleasure. Thank you so
much for joining me.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Thank you for having me, of course, thank you for
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