Emily Compagno in for Jimmy: Emily talks to Tim Kennedy, U.S. Army Ranger

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is a podcast from Woar from Everywhere, USA. It's
Fox Across America with Jimmy Fayla. What's up America?

Speaker 2 (00:09):
At your main man, Jimmy Fayala, And as you know,
I am on vacation, but never fear.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Emily Compangno is here the Human Happy Hour. Emily, you
are cleared for takeoff.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Human Happy Hour and you know what this means.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
We are starting another hour of the amazing Fox Across
America with Emily Compangno in for the equally amazing Jimmy Fayla,
who's on some amazing vacation right now, hopefully sending postcards. Guys,
we have an incredible guest coming up next, the man
who likely needs no introduction because he is such an

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amazing warrior, but I will give him one because he
deserves one. Tim Kennedy, US Army Ranger, sniper and Special
Forces operator and co founder of Save Our Allies. And
he is the host of the new Fox Nation special
General Patton and the Prayer That Changed History, which is
available now on Fox Nation. And Tim Kennedy himself has

(01:03):
a really special connection to General Patton, which we'll hear
about during this interview. So, guys, please welcome to the show.
Tim Kennedy, what's up girl?

Speaker 5 (01:14):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Oh my gosh, we've you had video too?

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Amazing. Okay, So, first of all, so good to see
you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Tim is my dear friend, and every time I get
to see you, it's a joy and a privilege. So
talk to us about this special on Fox Nation and
about your very special connection to the general himself.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah, I mean, if only I knew the man himself.
You know, he's a storied leader. But when I first
joined the military, you know, they're handing out Bibles, and
you also in the pamphlets that wash we'll stay in
the in the library of handouts from the chaplain. Patten's

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prayer was one of those, and then it's been reprinted
I don't know, pens of millions of times. But originally
when that prayer was first written and it was first printed,
it was handed out to everyone in his army.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
That was about to fight in Battle of the Bulge.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
And you know, arguably, obviously I'm a man of faith,
but that prayer turned the tides of the invasion. Like
June d Day happens, We're kicking butt, storming the beaches,
climbing cliffs, airborne operations and gliders, and as we pushed
a little bit further. In December comes around and some

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of that advance had stalled, and leading up to the
Battle of the Bulge there was some pretty terrible weather
and we needed to have air superiority and we have
close air support. So General Patton went to his chaplain
and asked him to write a prayer, and that's the
prayer that they wrote, and that was the prayer that
was printed and distributed to that army, and the men

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started praying and those clouds cleared.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
It's crazy, you know.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
It's a beautiful, powerful prayer written by a warrior for
a warrior.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
And tim on this nation special that you have the guests,
I mean, you have General Patten's granddaughter, you have a
historian and author of Patent's Wor, Kevin Haimel, and you
also have Alexander Kershaw, the journalist and author of Patten's Prayer.
So a really insightful in depth look into as well
the impact that that prayer had on the soldiers.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, it's he was a stored guy, but as history
and time has gone on, he was right.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
He was right about a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
He said that we should have kept fighting through eastern
Berlin and controlled all the way through eastern Europe, like
what led to the divide of the Berlin Wall. He
was saying, don't stop here. The Russia is going to
be our next adversary.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
He was.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
You know, he had some remarks around PTSD and while
I think everybody that struggles sometimes needs love and sometimes
needs care, he didn't want weakness to be celebrated. And
at the time it was very controversial, and you know,
people attacked him, but his heart was always from the
perspective of a warrior and for the warrior, just like

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this prayer was one of.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
The most incredible and thought provoking things I've ever heard.
I too, am a person of faith, and we've talked
about this together. Is the concept of our warriors that
serve selflessly and sacrifice so much, willing to pay the
ultimate sacrifice for our freedoms, going out there essentially sort
of with the knowledge that they're going home either way,

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that those with faith are if they actually do make
that ultimate sacrifice, they're going home to their Lord and savior,
Jesus Christ. And if they do survive, then they're going
home to their loved ones at home and that level
of acceptance and finality that that can be the peace
that surpasses all understanding, and does that make one a
better warrior? Can you share your thoughts on the intersect
of faith and service.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, I think they are so complimentary.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
I really struggled with how to reconcile what happens in
war with what does it mean to be a follower
of Jesus? And I think every warrior that has a
soul questions this. Uh, but we know that there are
no atheists and foxholes, and there's a reason for that

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because the things that you see at war are so
horrible and they are so dark, and war is the
worst thing that we can do.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
To each other.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
And I think a lot of men and women of
faith that go to war they have to struggle and
how how do I balance and reconcile these questions about
what I'm doing and am I doing the right thing?

Speaker 6 (05:42):
You know?

Speaker 1 (05:42):
But when I when I look to.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
The Bible and I see guys like David, you know,
his his best friend, Jonathan and Joshua Samson, Samuel, like
these guys were.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Savages, you know, like you know, killing non stop.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
In Jonathan's instance, when he went to go protect David,
like he snuck out into the Dead and Knight and
attacked an entire encampment, killing everybody there. And you know, David,
this this warrior that not only defied his father uh
and went to fight Goliath, and the brothers like no, no, no,
don't go do it. The king is like, ah, man,
I don't know, here, take my armor, and he's like no.

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Not only does he go out and fight the guy,
kill the guy, he then chops the dude's head off
and hangs it and holds it for both.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Sides of the army to see. Uh.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
That's the line of that's the genetic line of Jesus uh.
And so like we are not supposed to be this pacified,
emasculated man that just because I read the Bible and
because I love Jesus now is just supposed to be
this pacifist like love the Quakers love everything they do

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in the lifestyle, you know, like and they also did
pretty good during COVID, as did the Amish, you know.
But for me, I think faith and service complement each other.
And I love being a man of faith and still
having the opportunity to wear uniform and have the flag
of my country on my shoulder.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Guys, Tim Kennedy, incredible Army ranger, sniper, Special Forces operator
and co founder of Save Our Allies, host of General
Patent and the Prayer that changed history, and as we
talked about that, you carried a Bible and Patents prayer
with you during your service. I want to talk about
someone else in Switch Gears, because you are, as I said,
co founder of Save Our Allies, an incredible group that

(07:33):
right now is charged with informing America's and informing America
as they implore our administration to not now with a
draw our support for our allies, our Afghan allies that
are here in the United States and sort of suffering
under current some current policies. And I wanted to give
you the opportunity to share about that because I think
many Americans don't realize that we are abandoning our allies

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potentially yet again.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, Save Our Allies was founded during the evacuation of Afghanistan.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Myself, this is the pine Uple.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Express, Save our Allies, Project Dynamo, Allied Airlift, Samaritans, Purse,
what is Glenn Beck's uh air Airlines, Dozens of incredible
organizations that were all part of this, and none of
us were successful without each other.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
And by no means am I have staying like, hey,
save our allies did all this. But we I think
that we.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Are crucial, and we are on the ground in Afghanistan
during the evacuation during the peak, and we were there
to rescue Americans. We're there to evacuate Americans and our
allies to include you know, European nations. You know, if
you're a contractor, if you're a military member, we're making

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sure that there was a plane that had.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
A seat for you.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
We also had our Afghan partners, so specifically the translators
and the commandos, which were special Forces operators that would
do special operations deployments with American special operations. These soldiers
had top secret security clearances, they were awarded you know
SIV status, special immigration visas, and they were put on

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planes because they had fought for years and years and
years alongside Americans. And then you know, every single one
of those seats that we filled, those were approved by
Department of Defense, by Department of State, and you know,
backgrounds once those people came out. Now that they've been here,
our immigration system is flawed and I voted for exactly

(09:49):
what we're seeing, which is if you're an illegal, that
you are being removed, if you came here illegally like that.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
That's what I voted for.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
I just had the opportunity to interview our board Tom
and it was so insightful to see a man that
cares for this country, for our sovereignty of our borders.
But what we have here are these unique outliers. These
are are our these are our allies that fought with
us and for us, and they were legally brought here

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and then they're in this like holding pattern, this status,
and now because they're in this in between stage of
waiting for a court date SIV status, if are they
really truly asylum seekers? The special immigration visas having been
you know, temporary awarded for them to come out of country,

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have not been permanently awarded for them to remain. And
because of this unknown you know, the rule of law
being black and white, a lot of them are being
asked and forced to leave uh. And I think it's
a travesty for us to have one betrayed them in
the first place, in the first evacuation, and then now

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again to once we got them out from Taliban's control
and Taliban they desperately want these people back. They have
skills and understanding of America about our operations and how
Special Operations operates. Some of them are pilots with security
clearances and translators.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
With security clearances.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
We do not want them to go back to the
Taliban in our interests strategically, but morally, I think it's
the imperative is on us to do the right thing
for the men and women that fought buy and with us,
by for us and with us.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
What can listeners do to show support for this and
especially for those of us who voted for the same thing,
who are absolutely we voted for this and also need
to advocate to protect this subgroup of very important people
that are allies to our cause. I mean, how do
we help with that?

Speaker 1 (12:02):
That's a tough question.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
You know, of course, call your representative and ask them.
You know that these people that came back from or
came in from Afghanistan, they're all over the nation and
they're already contributing members, they're already working, they're already serving,
they're already doing the right thing. These aren't free loaders
looking for entitlement programs and you know, we both agree

(12:24):
that we voted for this radical change to include immigration
laws and strict enforcement of immigration laws. And you know,
you can have your day in court, and if that
court says that you came here illegally or you don't
belong here, goodbye. But we have to get our nation
back to Americans receiving American especially veterans, who are a

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seriously underserved population. So you can call your representative. Uh,
save our Allies. I just got back from the Middle
East a couple of days ago during Ozen Jordan for
the Israel evacuation. A bunch of again amazing organizations, a
bunch of the same ones that were in Afghanistan for
the evacuation. We're back in Israel during you know, the

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back and forth between Iran and Israel and then ultimately
America on Iran. So these organizations are still doing great things,
as is Save our Allies, and we are fighting in
an area that were we're not real experts in.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Which is like the diplomacy.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
I'm spending a lot of time in Washington, DC right
now on a variety of that are in issues, fighting
for all the things that we believe in, and you know,
for an amazing administration. But save our allies is having
to like go through this, you know, talking to those
elected officials about the importance of this issue. But it's

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a lot easier when the constituents do it, when when
the people that those representatives are representing are calling them
and saying, no, no, I care about these people, and
yes I voted for this. I want strict laws. I
want a sovereign border of closed border. But let's also
be able to recognize that we've a broken immigration system
and that has to concurrently be fixed.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
But this is America.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
We can talk about two things at one time that
aren't totally like mutually exclusive, and also be able to
solve two problems at one time.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
It's not one or the other. We can fix both.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Also to feel like under this administration we have we
have one that listens to us, where your voice does matter,
where veterans' voices are honored and heard, and allies are
amplified and heard. And the whole point is that I
think there's a there's a symbiotic quality and a collaboration
that certainly the prior administration didn't have.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
But now this is exactly the time, to.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Your point, to make your voice heard because it is
valued and it is sought after. And on that point,
this is my final question to you, Tim, which is
save our allies. You stand in the gap and you
certainly that gap was certainly atrociously wide during the prior
administration between you know, the values of our country and
what the administs with the government should do and could

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be doing, and what it didn't And certainly during the
national natural disasters, you guys stepped in too. And now
start contrast this administration, that cap is so much more narrow,
and we are grateful for that. But I wanted to
check in on the status of those in North Carolina
and West Virginian places that you guys were on the ground,
because news cycles tend to be real rapid, but human

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beings were still suffering. And I want to know if
if listeners should know anything about your work there would
save our allies.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
With our we're just the best like one that you
remember all of the places that we've been and that
you care so emily. Thank you so much since and
you're right stark contrast from this administration to the last administration.
If you look at the four years since our founding,
if you go from that twenty twenty one to twenty

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twenty five, and you see the cous In Sudan, cous
and Haiti, Western North Carolina and Tennessee. You see the
invasion into Ukraine. We were at all of those and
it is exhausting emotionally and spiritually to be at crisis

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after crisis, humanitarian disaster after humanitarian disaster, and there'd be
a need for us to be there, you know. It's
not like we're looking for the next plane to hop
on to go to some terrible place to be around
a bunch of broken people for fame or for a glory.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
It is so taxing.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
That was a double entendre because our tax paying dollars
were being completely misused in every imaginable way in these
crisises and these disasters. If we've been paying the Taliban
millions of dollars. But we will continue to fill a gap.
We have an amazing government and we have an amazing
military that can go and do the unbelievable, like mission impossible.

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That's for men and women in uniform. And the Department
of State is better than it has I think it
ever been in history. Rubio is absolutely killing it. But
there ultimately ends up always being these small outline I
don't fit into that regular bell curve of Hey, here's

(17:16):
a big evacuation effort. You know, DeSantis is going to
be flying a plane in There's going to be some
guy that's in jailed.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Sorry, Tim Kennedy.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
We're runny at a time, up against the heartbreak, and
I'm sorry for that, Sir, American Hero Tim Kennedy and
now host of General Patton and the Prayer That Changed
History More Fox Across America and when.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
We get back, welcome back.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
To Fox Across America's Emily Compano filling in for Jimmy
Fayla and guys. General Patton and the Prayer that Changed History,
hosted by Tim Kennedy, is available now on Fox Nation.
An incredible look into the Allies facing freezing temperatures fierce
German offensive during the pivotal Battle of the Bulge in
December nineteen forty four, when the General delivered a powerful

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prayer for divine protection and it worked.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
More Fox Across America next, So good guys.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
Just before, I like, for some reason this morning, I
was in a like Seattle nineties like era kick and
I was listening to the Soundgarden and Alison Chains and
all the things.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
This is so great.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
You are listening to Fox Across America with Emily Campano
in for Jimmy Faalan.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
You never know what you're gonna get with me, because
it might be a.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
Reggae day, it might be an eighties rock day, it
might be an eighties pop day. Today we're in the
Seattle nineties scene.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
It's just so good.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Oh and now to switch gears, we have an esteemed
guest joining us, Alabama Republican Senator Tommy Tuberville.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Coach Tuberville, that.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Is, as he is the former head football coach at Auburn,
and he's also the Alabama GOP gubernatorial candidate, and so
much more, sir, thank you for joining us on Fox
Across America today.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Coach, how are you.

Speaker 6 (18:56):
I'm doing great?

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Thank you hearing you great? Thank you all.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
So a lot is happening obviously on the hill, Coach,
and of course the ob three as it's known. Talk
to us about the issues in it. What do you
see is most important or conversely, what would be most
important if it didn't pass well?

Speaker 6 (19:17):
The biggest thing in the bill two thirds of it.
The way I look at it is the tax cuts,
President's tax cuts and put them permanent. It would save
my taxpayers twenty one and seventy two dollars and the
vice versa. They would go up that much or more
if we didn't pass it. So to me, that's enough

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just to pass this bill. Then of course you've got
the all the reforms in medicaid, in student loans, you
got the one hundred and fifty billion for the border,
and the one hundred and fifty for the military. There's
a lot of really really good in there for the country.
The main thing is we got to get it passed. Unfortunately,
we're pretty close on this. It was a photo finish

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of what Saturday when we voted on first time, and
now we're doing a vote rama and we'll have probably
forty to fifty amendment voats today and sometimes the night
around midnight, will probably vote to pass the bill or
not pass the bill. We'll see what happens.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Coach, can I ask you, given the strategy and the
chess and sometimes second degree chess being played at the
Senate level with you now as the gubernatorial candidate for Alabama,
there was there political pushback for you of like, please, sir,
don't give up your senator seat like we need that
was there? Is it difficult to transition out of that

(20:40):
talk to us about the climate there?

Speaker 6 (20:42):
Yeah. Well, I've enjoyed being up here since President Trump
got in. On my first four years here, I spent
with Joe Biden's administration in and you know, people forget
their first two bills that they did one like we're
doing today. They spent four tree dollars in just two
bills that had no pay for in other words, that
we didn't have anything to pay for it, so it

(21:04):
just went to our debt. But since President Trump's been here,
we've gotten a lot done and you know, it's a
lot more cohesive. But you know, I'm going to run
for the governorship of Alabama simply for the fact that
President Trump sent it more power and money back to
the states. This bill will do exactly that, and we'll
be able to put some things together that helped people

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in Alabama.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
And may I ask you, sir, what would be the
primary focus then, given that, like, what are the people
of Alabama need most or look forward to most with
you as hopefully their next governor.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
Well, first of all, it's these tax cuts, and then well,
there's a lot of things that we have to Our
farmers are in bad trouble. We're sixty percent rule in
the state of Alabama. We have to help our farmers
make sure they can make it through the tough times
that they've gone through through the Bide administration. Things are
even tougher right now, but they're getting better since with
the oil prices, the diesel prices have come down. We

(21:59):
need to tackle led. You We even in Alabama have
been overcome, but a lot of the woke DEI nonsense
has been in the states that have been pushed by
a lot of different groups. So yeah, that you know,
there's not a week goes by and tell people this.
Not a week goes by that we don't have a
manufacturing group from somewhere where it's in the United States, Europe,

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or an agent that wants to move their manufacturing back
to our country and they're looking for a place, possibly
in Alabama. So we got to grow our country. We
have to grow our state. And if we do that,
like President Trump says, we'll have an opportunity to pay
down our debt. But it's pretty hard to pay your
debt down by taxing your people. So hopefully we can
grow our country.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
And as an American citizen I am I am heartened
to know that the governors in the states have been
given back so much more agency. And to that point,
I think there's there's a lot of room to be
able to flourish now at these state levels.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
And wish you the best with that, sir.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
And then switching switching gears here, as a University of
Washington Husky, I have to tell you that the conference shakeup,
it took me up.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
I mean, I don't know what to do with a
big ten. To be honest, I don't know what to do.
It's talked to me about the pros.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
We're obviously entering the second season for that and everyone's
really excited. But what did you think, coach about the shakeup?
And as the PAC twelve was sort of blended in,
I think maybe we were the most affected. But do
you think that athletes are negatively impacted by the travel
schedule and you think the fans are negatively impacted by
having so many games be played outside of anywhere they

(23:30):
can get to.

Speaker 6 (23:31):
Yeah, First of all, the reason I really liked college sports.
You have your natural robberies, the problem is when this
nil hit and we had all the shakeups in the conferences,
you lost a lot of your robberies across the country
and they were natural. The problem too, especially with Washington
traveling to all the big ten schools, it's hard for

(23:53):
your fans to make any travel at all. Now you
can have a few, but not a whole lot. Is
very very expensive. And again it's right now. College athletics
is and I would call in a state of shock.
Sooner or later, we've got to be able to straighten
this out and get our conferences back together, be able
to pull you know, the schools back together that normally

(24:16):
participate against each other. And you look at the Olympic
sports and a lot of the women's sports have to
travel across country just to play a tennis match or
a swimming match or a track meet, and it's very
very expensive. So something's going to have to give in
college sports, fir us to continue to have the type
of action and competitive in this that we've had for

(24:38):
the last one hundred and fifty years.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
That's right, final question, sir, and you will be settling
a debate between my husband and I just know that
is cheerleading a sport. I e our NFL cheerleaders professional athletes.

Speaker 6 (24:53):
Well, I think a lot of what I think a
lot of ways they are because now athletic they have
to be. They actually practice more than a lot of
the athletic teams. You know, they're gymnasts, and I think
it leads leads to a lot of other teams. I
think it's very important. I think I think cheerleaders, the bands,
all of those entities really play a big role in

(25:17):
all the sports that we have. So I don't know
whether you or your husband were for cheerleaders being athletes,
but I won't take the side of one of you anyway.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yes, sir, you took the sight of me.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
I was a former NFL cheerleader, so all day, every day,
we were professional athletes. That's what I say, So you
definitely thank you for that. I knew I was right,
but now I can tell him that coach says I'm
right too. So Coach Huberville, thank you so much, and
we wish you the best, of course with that gubernatorial race,
and most importantly with this first step ob Thie, we're
hoping it passes.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Sir, Thank you so much for joining Fox across America.

Speaker 6 (25:53):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
All right, guys, more Fox Across America with Emily Compagno
in for Jimmy Fayla.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
After this shortbreak, a.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Show so good is frightening Day? How's that my hot podcast?

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Welcome back to Fox Across America.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
It's your guest host Emily Companno in for Jimmy Fayla.
And now we have an incredible guest, Paul Morrow, retired
NYPD inspector, founder of opsdesk dot org, Fox News contributor,
attorney and my friend.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Most importantly Paul, thank you so much for joining Fox.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Cross America having me ever.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
All right, So, so much is going on right now.
Obviously we have the Ditty trial.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Jurors are in deliberations after this seven week trial, and
we we've heard now that they sent a note back
and apparently it was about an instruction. Tell us a
little bit more about that and what you see coming
down the pike with this jury. This is trouble for
the prosecution. So and I'll tell you why. The prosecution
already dumbed down the jury instructions and in fact took

(26:54):
three predicate. They didn't change the charges that was misreported.
What they did was they took three instances that have
been testified to during the trial.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Including the arson, which surprised me.

Speaker 5 (27:05):
They took that off the table because they wanted to
simplify the jury instructions. They must have had some intimation that,
you know what, this thing is a little bit of
MorphOS it's a little bit shambolic. Let's streamline this thing
so that the jury understands, especially the Rico charge. Rico
is like complicated, but it's not. You need an organization,
you need to predicate crimes within ten years, YadA, YadA, YadA.

(27:27):
Whatever it is, there is a jur that apparently it
looks like it comes down to one who just seems
to be incapable of following the line of reasoning azurer
as in, one juror can.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Sink a whole case.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
So this case, in my estimation, was uncharacteristic of the
Southern District of New York, who's a conviction rate as well,
north of ninety percent. This one already looked to me
like it might be a little bit of trouble at
least on the two top charges. The lower charge I
think they probably got, but top charge, especially to Rico,
looked to me like they had a little bit of
turbulence there, and this can't be a good sign.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
And for people not who don't know New York State
law and men they don't, the question is there are
alternate jurors, and so would this be an instance where
an alternate would then supplant that person or will that
person is in it to ride or die?

Speaker 3 (28:16):
And what if the whole thing goes to hell just
because he can't figure it out?

Speaker 6 (28:19):
Right?

Speaker 5 (28:19):
The judge's call, all right, So the judge is going
to make the call of, look, you know, this person
is simply incapable, shouldn't be here to begin with. But
generally it comes down to if that's not a draconian move, okay,
And this is a federal charge, a federal case, so
you know it's going to be as a high level thing.
The judge is going to have to make a determination

(28:40):
here to say, you know what, this juror, for whatever reason,
is incapable, and this juror will go and we'll have.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
To substitute somebody else.

Speaker 5 (28:48):
But if the idea is the juror is saying, look,
I understand, it just doesn't make sense to me, it's
a very different kettle of fish, in which case essentially
you got a mistrial.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
It seems like there are huge sakes if that were
to happen.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
I mean, yeah, the government has invested massive resources into
this and given the allegations rightly, so it's commensurate with
how serious and frightening they all are. So it seems
like to hear this sort of almost seems surprising that
it would be on one juror who doesn't get it.
I mean, this is not the point of the collaborative
body is for the other people to say, look, let's
explain it to you.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Then, right, you sort of whip him into shape.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
Right, and you have to say to yourself, if this
person is incapable of following something that the other eleven
can follow, then you got to say to yourself, like,
how did that person get pass warder? How did that
person get onto the jury to begin with. So we
don't know the nuances yet, and we don't know by
the way that it's internally one that could be a
couple of others that are saying this thing just isn't
quite cohering from me. So there's a lot still that's

(29:46):
going to likely come out. In the defense of the
Southern District, they took a flyer on this case. And
one of the reasons they might have been willing to
do that, even though he's a public figure, which is
always a reach, you know there's going to be a
lot of eyes on it is they might have felt, look,
he has to be stopped. A bad guy, and the
statute of limitations on the state charges relative to that
horrible video where he beats up Cassi's run around on

(30:08):
a towel, all those ran because he paid off the guy,
the security guard who had access to that camera. Now,
you could have tried to make the case that, okay,
that the fact that he hid that stuff means the
statute shouldn't run. That's an uphill battle as well. For
whatever reason, the Fed's decided this case is there. And
I got to be honest, I kept waiting for the

(30:29):
big bombshell witness that's going to tie it all up.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
I kept waiting for somebody to come out, and reportedly
there was.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
He had an assistant who didn't testify and who didn't
get charged.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
So I don't know.

Speaker 5 (30:39):
I've talked to the former NYPD rap cop as he's called.
He was rap intel in the Intelligence Bureau of NAYPD.
I've talked to him a couple of times on my
podcast that you mentioned. I know him a bit, and
I've tooked a lot of other people on this case,
and I kept waiting for the big bombshell witness to
really tie it all together, at least relative to the RICO,

(31:00):
which is that he has an organization that's dedicated to
essentially sex trafficking. And I don't know, it got to
a point where it became kind of a he said,
she said, because there were all those texts from the
women that seemed to be transactional. They were reaching out
to him and saying, I want to get back with you,

(31:20):
and I enjoy this lifestyle. And so then the prosecutions
argument was essentially they have Stockholm syndrome, they're traumatized. Those
are tough, very gray metrics to be using to send
a guy to prison for the rest of his life.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
It's a tough, tough case.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
And as I said, as it's developed, I've actually been
a little surprised as it's.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Gone on all right, in our last four minutes together,
Let's talk about Coburger.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
So you hosted a weekly show every Friday giving.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Updates on top Karen Reid yeah, oh.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
That was on coured But on Coburger you were boots
on ground. Talk to us about the latest with that, right, No.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
You're not entirely wrong.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
I think there's a good chance we'll end up doing
the same thing on coburger. So that's probably we've heard.
But anyway, yes, you go say anyway, yeah Coberger, so
Coburger right now.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
I just got back from there.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
It's just that in Idaho for about three days and
we're doing some preliminary work relative to that case. I've
been out there a bunch of times. As you say,
case got moved to Boise, which is a beautiful town. Man,
Idaho's a very pretty place. And you know, the bottom
line is that that case is a lot different from
the Didty case. I got to tell you. The defense
has put together every delay tactic that they could. They

(32:31):
tried this alibi to judge swatted it down. They've tried
this idea that they want to have all these alternative
suspects with no proof to judge swatted that down.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
He doesn't really have a leg to stand on here.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
In fact, he has so little to back himself up
here that I don't think a prosecution the prosecution would
accept the plea. You know, people are asking me, what
do you think? Late last minute, please, might we not
get that? I don't think so. I think if his
defense team at this point put a tone in the
water about a deal, I don't think that they would
go for it. Now, the decision is not theirs, it's

(33:04):
under right a whole law and practice, it is the families.
They'd have to go to mister Gonsalves, who speaks for
the family. They'd have to pull the family. They'd have
to make sure you're all on board with this plea deal,
and from what I've heard from the family, they are
not on board with it.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Here's the issue.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
There's a special coming out on another network where they
got the two surviving roommates to come in and be interviewed,
and that's like really sensitive. So you had this dateline
thing that had a lot of stuff that shouldn't be out,
and now you have that. So the story goes that
we're likely going to get a whole second investigation as
to who leaked. You're going to get a collateral trial

(33:38):
about the trial. The judge wisely said, I'm not the
land We're going forward with the murder trial. That aspect
of it we'll deal with later. But what it does
open up is all kinds of appealable stuff. So in
a death penalty case, assuming that they get him, and
by the way, Idaho has the firing squad. Now, my
gut tells me that, you know, by the time they

(33:58):
get to maybe carrying out the sentence, if it is
in fact the death penalty, I'll be dead first.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
It's going to take thirty forty years.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
How is it possible for the survivors to have that
interview if the judge had issued a ruling, Because you're
right that the subject of the first date light interview
is why the defense argued to the judge, we can't
get an impartial jury, and we can't. You know, there's
all this stuff, and it just made everything so much messier.
I'm sort of shocked at the media's interplay here.

Speaker 5 (34:26):
Yeah, you know, it's amazing. I think a lot of
money is likely changed hands. I don't know how far
the gag order. I think the gag order only extended
to the lawyers. I don't think it extended to the witnesses.
And that's a tough gag order on the witnesses. Is
tough because you get a First Amendment issue, so I
have to look at the exact text of the of
the gag order. But I have not heard any intimation

(34:48):
of any sort that anybody is looking at going after
the two women that survived, who likely got a big payoff,
And you know, I don't begrudge them that their lives
have been changed irrevocably off of what happened that night,
even the one in the first on the first floor
who didn't see coburger, but never mind the poor girl
on the second floor who saw him, who people say,
why didn't you call the police, etc.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Etc.

Speaker 5 (35:10):
Which it would have been too late anyway, So it's
a little bit of a fad to complete at that point.
But nonetheless, I don't begrudge them that money. But that said,
it does throw a monkey wrench into this thing, and
I'm actually surprised the judge didn't give them a continuance,
let's say, for about a month, because if I was
to defense, what I would have argued is I would
have leaned actually in a Karen Read case as an example,
I would have said, look, there potentially is all kinds

(35:31):
of evidence here that shows that the witnesses have differing
opinions from what went on paper three years ago when
the cops did the investigation, including stuff that fell to
the cutting room floor. You remember in the Read case,
the prosecutor Brennan put stuff up that had her talking,
that didn't make the documentaries, that weren't on the cutting
room floor. He got all of that excise footage. I'd

(35:53):
want that stuff if I would have defensed, But it
doesn't sound.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Like they're going to wait for it.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Paul Morrow, there is no one better.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
And guys, Fox Across America with Emily Campaigno in for
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Speaker 3 (36:05):
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