Breakfast Club Interview with Havoc of Mob Deep: New Album Drop, 50 Cent, Jazmine Sullivan and more!
October 8, 2025 • 26 mins
🎙️ Havoc on Mobb Deep's New Album, Prodigy's Legacy & More!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Breakfast Club, DJ Envy, Jesse Hiliris, Charlaman and your dad.
(00:05):
We are the breakfast Club. Ye hav it?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's your brother us going on? How you feeling real good,
real good? Having from ob deep of course? New album
Internet out on this Friday, that's right. How did you
put this album together?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Oh? Man, it was.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
It was a long time in the making because you know,
after the untimely death for Prodigy, you know what I mean,
it was something that I wanted to do, but it
took me a minute because you know, the family was
in the grieving process. But to make a long story short,
linked up with alc Alchemists and we knew we had
to start, you know what I mean, it's about the album.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
So flew out there.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I had a couple of songs already, you know what
I'm saying, some verses from Prodigy's family, and Alchemists had
a ton of verses already, So we just started putting
it together and just breaking it down.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
So how did you pick which versus like when you're
going through Prodigy, you know versus that we've never heard?
How you picked which ones? We were anticipating hearing it.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Right, right?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I mean, it was kind of hard because I mean,
to me, you know what I'm saying, all prodigy versus
is dope, you know what I mean. So it was hard,
I mean because we ended up with like what twenty
five songs, you know, you know, ended up with fifteen,
but I don't know, you know, just the best ones,
you know what I mean, out of prodigies versus.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
If I could pick, it's really hard thope.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Now with any of these songs done already from y'all already, Oh,
these were all you had to get every new verses
from you know, whether his daughter, I see his door, raps,
his family or wolchemist.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I mean, you know, I thought that I was getting
most of the verses was like unheard verses, but like
one of them was like, you know, released like fourteen
years ago. So you know what I'm saying, we took
wipe the dust off and you know, rock through the
songs or whatever. But most of them is just versus
that nobody never heard before, especially you know what I'm saying,
something that.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Al has like it's like crazy versus like for real.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
But you know, I was giving some verses from the
family and I just you know, technology you could just
take a verse. If it's like ninety two bpms, you
could put it down an eighty eight or you can
speed it up to one hundred, so it's like kind
of seamless.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
How was the family were doing this?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Did the family want a new mob Deep album out
where they cooled it or they were.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Like they was cool with it.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
They was cool with it, but they just wanted to
make sure that they was part of the process and
that they wasn't left out. So, you know, the first
time that we started working on the album, we had
Prodigy's daughter there, you know what I'm saying, and getting
her blessings, and she was, you know, she was kind
of got a little emotional when she was hearing her father.
You know what I'm saying as me and I was
getting emotional listening to Prodigy talk like you know, Acapella
(02:28):
talk about Yo, I see you on the other side
and you know, I love you.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
It's crazy. I was your relationship with before he passed.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
It was actually I feel like I got my friend back,
you know what I mean, because right before he passed,
like real talk, we was shopping a whole foods, you know,
trying to get on a healthy path. And after we did.
Dad he knocked on my hotel though, like he never
comes to my room. Came to my room and we
was just kicking it, like just trying to go down
a healthy journey because you know, we had had, you know,
(02:56):
a little dust up before that.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
What was that dusting for?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Because I always was like mob deep was that one
crew like them they are never like just so from
the same area. They didn't been through thiefs and this
and that and problems with money, like they didn't been
through it all.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So I figured they out.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Was that one group that like, nah, but y'all had
a little situation at one point.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I just say this, like when it come to alcohol,
just stay away from social media, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It just lay that alone.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Some things like brothers go through things, but that's supposed
to be behind the scenes, you feel me.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
So it was just built up frustration.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
And me taking to social media, like I wasn't taught
to go to social media, and they are my differences.
So that's something that I did. And Prodigy kept it
like real classy like with it. He was, you know
what I'm saying, a class general where that he didn't
even engage in that little dust stuff, but you know,
it was a little strain on the relationship. We broke
up for like a year, then we came back together
(03:52):
toward and then slowly but surely just kept building that
brotherhood back.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
And after that breakup, how did y'all get back together?
Like what was that conversation? Who reached out first or
who put you together?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Because we both got friends in common, right, So it
wasn't like yo, okay today, y'all got to meet up.
It was like that gradual, gradual, graduate graduate. Then we
just end up in the studio together, you know what
I'm saying, And it was like nothing never happened, right,
Like the beat is up and we just like, yeah,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So we're going through X, Y and Z and you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
But we did get a chance to kind of like talk,
you know, you know, I know since I was fifteen,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So that was like my brother brother for real, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And it was just crazy when he passed how close
we was getting before.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
That, and y'all were in Vegas we passed, right, Yeah,
we was in Vegas.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
We had just did this, like, you know, one of
those shows I think Ice t be throwing those tours
with a lot of the old school artists or whatever.
Noriy was dead Ray Kornic Ghosts and he wasn't feeling well,
and you know, I just thought it was just like
one of those regular sickle cell crisis and he'll be
back home in New York.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Is there because I know that this is you work
with Massa pil to drop this. Is there anything just
because this is also people are looking at this as
like a comeback project or like a return project, but
it's also a tribute as well. Is there anything when
people are listening to the music from Prodigy that we
haven't heard, like when you were putting together and producing
all of this, Like what was the message you wanted
(05:18):
his fans to get from him in hearing him again?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Well, you know, I don't think that it was so
much of me like wanting the message to be put
out there about Prodigy. The fans know what they wanted,
you know what I mean? Like I'm constantly getting harassed
by the fans, Like yo, when you're.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Putting out that mall deep album.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I mean, look, I don't got no control over that,
you know what I'm saying, Like I don't own Prodigy versus,
so it was a process, you know what I mean.
But you know, I hope that you know, the supporters
get from it, Like Yo, you know, p was one
of the illest MC's out there, and I think that
you know, he had some unfinished business, was there.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
What was the pressure like for you if any, because
this has been what since twenty fourteen?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Since?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, the pressure was crazy, you know what I'm saying,
because of course, you know, the music landscape being changed.
You know what I'm saying, Oh, mab Deep, but we
stay in our lane, you.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
And I just kind of like, that's all I wanted
to do is just stay in our lane. I try
to go above and beyond and trying to sound like
I'm doing some drill music or something like that, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I just wanted to stay mab deep. Now you did
this still with NAS's mass appeal. She just mentioned, Yeah,
how involved with NAS with this project? And why did
y'all decide to sign with the NAS and do the
collaboration with Mass.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
NAS kind of like took the hands off approach, you
know what I mean, we trusted ours, you know what
I mean. We know, of course obviously since the beginning,
you know what I mean, from the top, and he
in position right now, you know what I mean. So we,
like tons of people would have did the mall Deep album,
you know what I mean. But at the end of
the day, it was like who do we trust? I
trust nas, you know what I mean. I'm like, okay,
(06:50):
you over there, Mass Appeal. We sat with them and
it wasn't about the money. It's just more or like
who would do justice to the project, you know what
I mean. And we trusted nos for that and you know,
he took a hands off approach. But when it was
time to, you know, give a little bit of critique,
he gave it.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
He did two verses on it as well, three three verses, yeah,
I mean three verses from lines. Yeah, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I think that's a good way to go out, you
know what I mean, on them All Deep album, and
that was cool, you know, featuring her Georgia Smith, you know,
due two phenomenal artists and uh Porter Henny.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
We got more way the havoc from a Deep When
we come back, it's the Breakfast Club good morning, buy
there the.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Night man, fine everybody else, Let's get it about it.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Let's seventeen yams when I just woke up eight three am.
Then my bullet proof trump nine pm, spook.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
The Alphemist in thirty one meet me here and Quinn.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
The Ridge seven pm.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
We drove to ac midnight on the dot. We parked
the VS.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Then we went up in a charge.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Mahall hit the crap table, black.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Jack tape going on. I hit the Honey Dollars slop
machine for thirty thousand, My wife hit the brulet well
for five.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Thousand for money front it's the spin.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
We hit the club BlackBerry and more and bottles above.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Now lock on.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Stage for you to see that had charged the one
that ownedly and checked me having fun with it. So
them done with it and me and missus p hit
the hotel Sleep from the City that Never Sleep. We
take power naps from the road that's sold the most albums,
and rain and last the longest run laps and rang
your strongest top shot and ran out of steam, but
(08:35):
tried his hardest little seventeen am and then I just
woke up eight pm. Then again.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
NV just Hilarius Charlamine, the guy we are the Breakfast
Club is still kicking it with Havoc. I see a
lot of your stories have been on Browl the last
couple of days. Right, of course, the park stories always
go viral, to j Zy stories go viral. But the
mind frame back then when you felt like the West
Coast was taking a stab at the East, right, and
y'all said, nah, this can't happen. Break that down, because
(09:03):
y'all will probably wanted the first to jump out the
window and be like, we riding all day long, and
how difficult was it when y'all were torring and going
to these markets and seeing these people, And did you
ever run into any of the people that you shot
at me on record?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I should say, yo, check it out.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Like when you in places like Minneapolis and you see
people throwing up gang signs and holding up Tupot posters,
you don't even know if you're gonna make it out
of here. You understand what I'm saying. So that's that,
you know what I mean? Never mind going to the
West Coast.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
But you know, back in those days, we was in
our twenties. You know what I'm saying we invincible. We
like what we got beef is on. I'm surprised more
artists in New York didn't come out swinging.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
You understand what I'm saying. This is NYC, and yeah,
we love our.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
West Coast brethreoms for sure, but were gonna let you know,
if you clap with us, we're gonna clap back, you
know what I'm saying. You know, a couple of artists
came represented New York, but not in a way where
we like yos y'all kick it down the buildings like nah,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
We're not letting you do that.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
But it was it was it was a test, you
know what I'm saying, Because it was it was serious
back then. People was getting shot and things of that nature.
But we came out, We survived it.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
And that never ran into anybody on the West Coach
that never ran into a park back and it ain't
nobody nah.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And it's not like we was hotting, you understand what
I'm saying. Like we went, we was in La. We
had to be in La, you know, to promote the project.
But he passed, you know what I'm saying, Like when
the people, was about to be on We came out
with a project that's we was about to hell on
Earth and he got shot.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
You know what I'm saying. That kind of just made everything.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Like and you'll like to switch singles because they said
the single was la la right he got killed or shot.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Right because it no, it was drop a gem on him,
drop a gym on it was drop a gym on it.
We put that out and it was it was it
was going viral so to speak for back then, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
What I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
But then he got shot and it's like, yo, son,
let's pull the record, like me and Pete like, yo,
let's pull it. Not even the label saying that, and
we pulled the record. And then eventually he definitely passed away,
so it was like damn, but we put it on
an album.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And pulling the record.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I mean, I know it's common sense to be like, okay,
you're pulling it because now things are like so serious.
But in that moment where y'all made that decision, the conversations,
like I think a lot of people hear these stories too,
and it just sounds like it's not kind of like
almost like a folk tells us. But you were like
in that moment, like what's the feeling of Like is
it okay? We want to pull it because we just
don't even want to be involved in this anymore, even
(11:23):
though you're already there, or is it like out of respect?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Like what's the real like like for real?
Speaker 5 (11:28):
For real?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, like why why pull it?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Because at that point, y'all are already like we hear
we doing this, like we've broken out our chest.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Look, at the end of the day, he was a brother,
He was our brother.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Like we might have beat for them and all of that,
but we don't wish death on nobody. You understand what
I'm saying. And we're not that thirsty like to be
like whatever he did, like keep it moving like that
would have been bad taste anyway, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
It was been tasteless. So we just like, nah, this
this pull it? You know.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I mean, your relationship was Big was not the best?
What you mean was it good? Because I thought the
relationship wasn't necessarily the greatest. You and Big, Oh for real?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Me me and BG we got the same birthday.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Oh I didn't know that. Did y'all ever have conversations
to say? Because y'all were both getting shot at like crazy.
Did y'all ever have conversations like let's do this together?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Right?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Unfortunately, that's another one that passed away so early. You
understand what I'm saying, because you know, Puff said, Yo,
come to the studio. I need you to do some
music with Big. I didn't even know the locks gonna
be on the song last Days. So I'm in there
doing that. He in another room because I guess he
was recording like crazy back.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Then, you know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
So we never got a chance to really have a conversation.
We went on tour together, you know what I'm saying.
The last memories I have are Big is being in
Ohio and we're supposed to go on. But Big was
like f that I'm going on before y'all because they
sprayed Mason. The crowd like like like you know, like
the gang members is wild that I didn't even know
(12:54):
Ohio had gangs like that.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
But those are the memories I have on him. So
we didn't get a chance to really kick it. Kick it.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
But I think if had he lived longer, we would
have probably been partying together.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
You know what I'm saying. Same birthday, gyminut.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Me, How did watching you know the depth of Tupac
and then a Biggie change how you felt about just
being an artist at the time, Like were you scared?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
But did it change because y'all ain't stop beefing. Y'all
kept going. Y'all never stopped nah, you know what.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
To be honest with you, it was like I felt
it was mad disrespectful. You understand what I'm saying for Like,
it's like, no, like you just killing artists like y'all
just you know.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
What I'm saying. I understand you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Artist is human beings, but it's like no respect for
the artists, like y'all just murking the artist. So that
had me super concerned, Like you know, I'm like wow,
Like it's you know, you already got your concerns when
you going on to him making sure you're safe, but
now just people just get out of here, like by
you going you Nah, that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I always tell everybody if we have a hip hop conversation,
my favorite beat up and I think I told you
before it shipped one, right, It's just when you think
of hip hop, there's nothing that out hip hop shit ones,
just the raw, just uncut. It doesn't sound like it's
ever filtered. It was just doesn't feel like it's never mixed.
And it just feels like that. But I also feel
like when a lot of times when they talk about
some of the greatest producers in this industry and in
(14:13):
the game, they don't mention you, right, how does that
make you feel? Because they'll mention, they'll mention the Dre's,
they'll mention so many other people, but I never a
lot of times I don't hear having I.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Mean, you know, it could get frustrating, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
It get frustrated, you know, when your neighme is not
being mentioned when you feel like it should be mentioned.
But at the same time, we never got nominated for Grammys.
And I'm sure we had albums that was platinum at
gold during the time when the other artists were platinum
gold and that, you know, and we never got nominated.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
So I just feel like it's in the same vein.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
But you know what, my piers, you know what I'm saying,
when I see them, Like I just seen doctor Dre
the other day. He's like, yo, you inspired me, and
I'm looking at him like like, you know what I'm saying,
Like you inspired me, But I feel him, I understand
what he's saying because we all inspire each other.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So things like.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
That kind of negate the frustration I feel of not
being mentioned because I could see somebody like doctor Jane
they be like, yo, son, like you know what I mean,
and that's all I be meaning, that's all you need say.
They were Prodigy with lyrics.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I think a lot of people don't necessarily understand how
nice he was lyrically. He doesn't get into a lot
of those conversations as well either he don't. But then
you have somebody like jay Z if you ask him
a question about Prodigy, he'd be like, Prodigy was one
of those ones.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
So when people don't involve them in a conversation, but
they rappers favorite rapper is screaming they nick, like not
screaming they nick, but giving them the credit, I think
sometimes that's.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
That's the just dude.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Sometimes eventually the generations that's gonna come after us when
they start doing their little investigation like we used to
do with the maybe not tell because they're a little younger,
but you know with the seventies, like we pulling like
James Brown were pulling all these stylistic blue magic. They're
gonna start pulling those small deep records and be like, damn,
what's this?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
This sounded crazy? Didn't know all that other stuff that's
supposed to be top forty, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
And how you mentioned Jake, how did that beef ever start?
And do you ever regret never producing for whole? Is
that one of the things off top? Of course, you
know what I'm saying. As a producer, you want to
produce for the.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Best producer for every New York.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
But right one, right, that's that's the one I'm chasing,
you know what I mean, But shout out the whole.
When that beef happened, I had to stay with my brother.
I didn't start. Oh it started because back to what
we was talking about with the you know, stupid crush
the buildings, and then we came with La La, and
then I think Prodigy seen an article with uh matter
(16:38):
of fact, I think jay Z said something in his
line about New York be sold since he didn't appreciate it,
and then he said something in a magazine and called
uh hold out his name.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Oh is it?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
You know what I'm saying, there's a call tact sport.
He you know what I'm saying. He had his prolem
he going right back at prodigy.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
So it just started right there. Do you feel like
that beef hurt Bobby.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I'm not gonna say that it hurt moll Deep, but
it could have did at a little little, nice little delay,
you know what I mean. Because when you got somebody
like that just coming at you, you know what I'm saying,
it's like it's start chipping away at you know that Almah.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I always wanted to know what Na said during that
time when you because y'all all be f together, the
nads of us say yo, let's do this together.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Like what was that conversation?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Like, Nah, he was on his lone wolf real quick,
you know what I mean. He came up with that ether.
It was like, you know what I mean, Nobody saw
it coming, you know what I mean. We never ever
had a conversation about like Yo, yeah, man, let's let's
go get him.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Let's jump them, let's jump him.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Now that was we got more with Havoc from Mob
Deep when we blow on the road, is here as well,
we're still kicking it with Havoc.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
From Mob Deep now.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Always I always like to ask because these are my
two favorite beats, my two favorite hip hop beats. I
want you to break down when you create shit ones,
when you.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Create a choir star? Right?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And whose choice was it to put it of every
artist out there? While little chim So let's start off
with breaking down shit ones. So where were you when
you made it? Create when you made shook ones? And
did you know that was gonna be.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
What it was?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Shook Ones?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I made that in my in Queen's Bridge, in my
mom's apartment where I grew up at right, thirty records
all over the floor, scratch pop, vinyl. Didn't even really
know what I was doing. Then the crew came into
crib Prodigy all and they said, what's this. I was like, Oh,
it's whatever, whatever. I'm about to turn the computer, you know,
the drum machine. No no, no, no no no, don't
don't don't turn it off.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Keep it. Kept it. We did the song to it.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Actually we had to Shook one part two and then
part one, and then then this became part two and
it took off. I had no idea it was going
to do that Quiet Storm. I ran out of samples,
you know what I mean. I ran out of anything
to sample. So I'm just looking at this sugar Hill
Gang record, like, damn, let me just try you for that,
because that's a record that I always passed, like you know,
(18:48):
white lines and all of that.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Nobody's not putting that on, you know what I mean.
So put that on, sampled it.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I said, let me slow it down maybe, like you know,
slow it down, throw some rim shots to it, and
just did it.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Didn't think nothing of it.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Prodigy used to come to my house go in the
basement to the studio while I'm sleep and then when
I went down, He's like, Yo, have what's this? I
was like this whatever, It wasn't nothing, and he did
a whole solo song to it, and then we ended
up making it the first single on I believe it
was Murder Music. And I was kind of a little
upset by then because Chris Lighty, God bless her dad,
(19:23):
he was like, Yo, we making this the first single.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I'm like, Yo, I'm not on it, you know what
I'm saying. He was like, but you made the beat.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
And I think that was the time when now everybody's
just looking at me as a producer and not even
a rapper. So that was a that's another story, you
know what I mean, that I'm getting looked at just
as a producer when I just be trying to, like,
you know, write my life away on the paper.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
But it's all good.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
And then how did y'all get what was the decision
to put Little Kim? Why Little Kim of all the
he's at that time?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Why him?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I mean, come on, very you know what time it is.
We go in the club right now, I'm all deeps
in the clubs. It's a sausage sveets, right, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
So we like, yo, we need to we need to
get the chicks involved. Who could get who? We could
get Little Kim? And she agreed to do it. I
went to the studio. I seen that in there writing
her verse. She sung a hookover. I'm telling you that
record took off off like you couldn't.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It was genius.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It was to the day where you could put out
a street record and it could be a single, and
this day is Kim's. One of Kim's biggest verses. It
just connects hot damn hole here we go again, and
she got that little the dance that she.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Do to this day, to this day, to this day.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Yeah, I was thinking about you. You mentioned like going
in the club and like using that and bringing that
back into the music. Maybe some artists do that now,
but I think a lot of artists are geared toward
like TikTok and numbers and research because the industry has changed.
And he always talks about how lit the club scene
in New York was, and all the artists and all
the things.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Like I was telling her that everybody used to be outside.
Ye when we was talking like it was, there were
no I would say, Richard broke.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
It was.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
It was the duel from the block on the left side.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Right, mob deep on the right, in this corner, kimming
them on this side. You would see Knaves was always
in the cup boy himself somehow someway wiggling in and out.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
You would see the lost boys. You just see so many.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You would see everybody in the club, and you would
see how music reacts. And like you said, it wouldn't
matter you play the gangsters, record girls was rapping, dudes
is rapping. And we would go from club to club
night tonight it was just a feeling in New York.
I always tell you about that you just could never change.
It was just something about that.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
I mean, it was an amazing time, you know what
I mean. Like when Street Records was you was able
to dance to it. You didn't have to make a
radio record, you know what I mean. But once your
record took off in the clubs, you was kind of
like pretty much out of there.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I think the clubs.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Dictated hits when you signed with fifty, When y'all did
the deal with fifty, break that down and while y'all
decided to sign that deal, and where were y'all at
that point as far as mob.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Deep to you, I mean, if you get off of
some ferraris, you got to go side the deal. Absolutely,
But nah, he called me. We was free agents at
that point. I think we had been on a job.
If we sold one hundred and fifty thousand records the
first week, that wasn't good enough for job today. That
I mean, that's like probably platinum or.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Something like that.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Absolutely, but it was happy with thirty exactly, So I
guess we was ahead of our time on not whatever
it is. But fifty called me and I had already
worked with fifty like maybe a year before that, before
he was bubbling on the mixtaps I remember, and he
was one of my favorite artists, you know what I'm saying.
We did bump that and clapped those things or whatever,
(22:30):
and that was supposed to be for my solo album,
loud Folded never came out, and then the next thing,
you know, a year later, somebody didn't fifty cent. It's
just going bubbling, right, So we kept that relationship going,
and by the time we became free agents, gave me
a call said I don't want to sign y'all. He
swept us up into the g unit Umbrella went on
tour restless history.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Why how come you never signed more artists? Because you
you were the producer, you were the artist. How could
you could have I'm sure signed fifty early on besides Dinoy,
who did y'all true?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
You know what it is? I guess I haven't ever
found the artist that I truly like.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
YO, Like I I just don't want to sign somebody
just to sign somebody like I guess my my bar
is high, you know, I really want to sign that artist. Now,
this is an artist that I did want to sign
that she wasn't signed at the time. It was a
Jazmine Sullivan. She just came into like right because back
then I was like getting people to throw reference vocals
(23:24):
and Steve I was working with stevebej and he knew
her and got to the studio and I was like,
God damn.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I was like, Yo, she's nice, you.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Know what I mean. But she's one of those artists
that you know it's going to get a major record
deal and get signed. You got to come with the
business if you want to sign a Jazmine Celibate. But
for instance, like I don't run across artists like that
all the time, and those are the artists that I
really would have, you know what I mean, And they
few and fall between.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
So you didn't sign her only because the deal with
situation was gonna be with you thought it should be
Like how did.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
That not move?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I wasn't ready. You know what I'm saying. I ain't
gonna lie for you know, female artists is like high maintenance.
You know what I'm saying. It come with a lot,
you know what I'm saying. Not to you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I mean, cause you got glam and branding and get it.
And I will say, although Jasmine no Archie che is
a little different, but Jasmine Sullivant is one of the
best singers period in the game. Right.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
But I feel like it took people so long.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
It was hotels for me when people even started recognizing
her the way that they should have. And she had
been working for so long before that, so I'm sure
a lot of money was poured into that. So I
understand what you're saying, but y'all didn't even have a
conversation and attempt to see like what she would say
to your offer.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I had the conversation in my mind, you know what.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I'm saying, Like I wish that I you know, because
I was just you know, I was in.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
My own way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
But the artist in me wanted her to shine, you
know what I mean, and not even you know, try
to get in her way. But you know that's what
it is, like I never come across all this or
that caliber. It's really hard, right, like you know. So
that's why I was gonna ask, what's the biggest bag
you ever you ever missed out on? Because just business wise,
you didn't plan for that. The biggest bag I missed
(25:02):
out on was for a super Bowl commercial. They wanted
to use the Mall Deep music in the super Bowl
commercial and for whatever reason, uh, a lawyer took too
long and we missed out on the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
So yeah, that that hurts still hurt.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So you're doing this album as a passion project because
obviously you don't need the money if you're still getting paid,
I ain't say that. Infinite is out this Friday, and
we appreciate you for joining us.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Man.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I love these stories and I just love to see
the growth because I was a kid in Queens and
I watched what y'all did and we admired that, you know,
I mean from the driving the cars, the shooting and
shook Ones video to all that we got a chance
to see it.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
So the fact that you're still heavy and you're still
doing it, man, we appreciate you. And this is we
got a date for the method Man Covid Covid album.
Oh yeah, the Mepha Man Covid.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
We don't have a date, but me and him were
actively in the studio and he tried to put me
in the head like I didn't let him, but he said.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
We got to finish this album for a couple of
months date, but okay.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
We'll have on though. Thanks for joining us, Thank you,
thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
An album comes out this Friday. It's Havoc, It's the
Breakfast Club, Good Morning, hold in the Wall, get it
at Me. It's Wing to Club.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Send the kites with the moldor Brothers, give them the
co
Breakfast Club, DJ Envy, Jesse Hiliris, Charlaman and your dad.
(00:05):
We are the breakfast Club. Ye hav it?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's your brother us going on? How you feeling real good,
real good? Having from ob deep of course? New album
Internet out on this Friday, that's right. How did you
put this album together?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Oh? Man, it was.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
It was a long time in the making because you know,
after the untimely death for Prodigy, you know what I mean,
it was something that I wanted to do, but it
took me a minute because you know, the family was
in the grieving process. But to make a long story short,
linked up with alc Alchemists and we knew we had
to start, you know what I mean, it's about the album.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
So flew out there.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I had a couple of songs already, you know what
I'm saying, some verses from Prodigy's family, and Alchemists had
a ton of verses already, So we just started putting
it together and just breaking it down.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
So how did you pick which versus like when you're
going through Prodigy, you know versus that we've never heard?
How you picked which ones? We were anticipating hearing it.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Right, right?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I mean, it was kind of hard because I mean,
to me, you know what I'm saying, all prodigy versus
is dope, you know what I mean. So it was hard,
I mean because we ended up with like what twenty
five songs, you know, you know, ended up with fifteen,
but I don't know, you know, just the best ones,
you know what I mean, out of prodigies versus.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
If I could pick, it's really hard thope.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Now with any of these songs done already from y'all already, Oh,
these were all you had to get every new verses
from you know, whether his daughter, I see his door, raps,
his family or wolchemist.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I mean, you know, I thought that I was getting
most of the verses was like unheard verses, but like
one of them was like, you know, released like fourteen
years ago. So you know what I'm saying, we took
wipe the dust off and you know, rock through the
songs or whatever. But most of them is just versus
that nobody never heard before, especially you know what I'm saying,
something that.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Al has like it's like crazy versus like for real.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
But you know, I was giving some verses from the
family and I just you know, technology you could just
take a verse. If it's like ninety two bpms, you
could put it down an eighty eight or you can
speed it up to one hundred, so it's like kind
of seamless.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
How was the family were doing this?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Did the family want a new mob Deep album out
where they cooled it or they were.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Like they was cool with it.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
They was cool with it, but they just wanted to
make sure that they was part of the process and
that they wasn't left out. So, you know, the first
time that we started working on the album, we had
Prodigy's daughter there, you know what I'm saying, and getting
her blessings, and she was, you know, she was kind
of got a little emotional when she was hearing her father.
You know what I'm saying as me and I was
getting emotional listening to Prodigy talk like you know, Acapella
(02:28):
talk about Yo, I see you on the other side
and you know, I love you.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
It's crazy. I was your relationship with before he passed.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
It was actually I feel like I got my friend back,
you know what I mean, because right before he passed,
like real talk, we was shopping a whole foods, you know,
trying to get on a healthy path. And after we did.
Dad he knocked on my hotel though, like he never
comes to my room. Came to my room and we
was just kicking it, like just trying to go down
a healthy journey because you know, we had had, you know,
(02:56):
a little dust up before that.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
What was that dusting for?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Because I always was like mob deep was that one
crew like them they are never like just so from
the same area. They didn't been through thiefs and this
and that and problems with money, like they didn't been
through it all.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So I figured they out.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Was that one group that like, nah, but y'all had
a little situation at one point.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I just say this, like when it come to alcohol,
just stay away from social media, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It just lay that alone.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Some things like brothers go through things, but that's supposed
to be behind the scenes, you feel me.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
So it was just built up frustration.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
And me taking to social media, like I wasn't taught
to go to social media, and they are my differences.
So that's something that I did. And Prodigy kept it
like real classy like with it. He was, you know
what I'm saying, a class general where that he didn't
even engage in that little dust stuff, but you know,
it was a little strain on the relationship. We broke
up for like a year, then we came back together
(03:52):
toward and then slowly but surely just kept building that
brotherhood back.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
And after that breakup, how did y'all get back together?
Like what was that conversation? Who reached out first or
who put you together?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Because we both got friends in common, right, So it
wasn't like yo, okay today, y'all got to meet up.
It was like that gradual, gradual, graduate graduate. Then we
just end up in the studio together, you know what
I'm saying, And it was like nothing never happened, right,
Like the beat is up and we just like, yeah,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So we're going through X, Y and Z and you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
But we did get a chance to kind of like talk,
you know, you know, I know since I was fifteen,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So that was like my brother brother for real, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And it was just crazy when he passed how close
we was getting before.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
That, and y'all were in Vegas we passed, right, Yeah,
we was in Vegas.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
We had just did this, like, you know, one of
those shows I think Ice t be throwing those tours
with a lot of the old school artists or whatever.
Noriy was dead Ray Kornic Ghosts and he wasn't feeling well,
and you know, I just thought it was just like
one of those regular sickle cell crisis and he'll be
back home in New York.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Is there because I know that this is you work
with Massa pil to drop this. Is there anything just
because this is also people are looking at this as
like a comeback project or like a return project, but
it's also a tribute as well. Is there anything when
people are listening to the music from Prodigy that we
haven't heard, like when you were putting together and producing
all of this, Like what was the message you wanted
(05:18):
his fans to get from him in hearing him again?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Well, you know, I don't think that it was so
much of me like wanting the message to be put
out there about Prodigy. The fans know what they wanted,
you know what I mean? Like I'm constantly getting harassed
by the fans, Like yo, when you're.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Putting out that mall deep album.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I mean, look, I don't got no control over that,
you know what I'm saying, Like I don't own Prodigy versus,
so it was a process, you know what I mean.
But you know, I hope that you know, the supporters
get from it, Like Yo, you know, p was one
of the illest MC's out there, and I think that
you know, he had some unfinished business, was there.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
What was the pressure like for you if any, because
this has been what since twenty fourteen?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Since?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, the pressure was crazy, you know what I'm saying,
because of course, you know, the music landscape being changed.
You know what I'm saying, Oh, mab Deep, but we
stay in our lane, you.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
And I just kind of like, that's all I wanted
to do is just stay in our lane. I try
to go above and beyond and trying to sound like
I'm doing some drill music or something like that, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I just wanted to stay mab deep. Now you did
this still with NAS's mass appeal. She just mentioned, Yeah,
how involved with NAS with this project? And why did
y'all decide to sign with the NAS and do the
collaboration with Mass.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
NAS kind of like took the hands off approach, you
know what I mean, we trusted ours, you know what
I mean. We know, of course obviously since the beginning,
you know what I mean, from the top, and he
in position right now, you know what I mean. So we,
like tons of people would have did the mall Deep album,
you know what I mean. But at the end of
the day, it was like who do we trust? I
trust nas, you know what I mean. I'm like, okay,
(06:50):
you over there, Mass Appeal. We sat with them and
it wasn't about the money. It's just more or like
who would do justice to the project, you know what
I mean. And we trusted nos for that and you know,
he took a hands off approach. But when it was
time to, you know, give a little bit of critique,
he gave it.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
He did two verses on it as well, three three verses, yeah,
I mean three verses from lines. Yeah, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I think that's a good way to go out, you
know what I mean, on them All Deep album, and
that was cool, you know, featuring her Georgia Smith, you know,
due two phenomenal artists and uh Porter Henny.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
We got more way the havoc from a Deep When
we come back, it's the Breakfast Club good morning, buy
there the.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Night man, fine everybody else, Let's get it about it.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Let's seventeen yams when I just woke up eight three am.
Then my bullet proof trump nine pm, spook.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
The Alphemist in thirty one meet me here and Quinn.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
The Ridge seven pm.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
We drove to ac midnight on the dot. We parked
the VS.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Then we went up in a charge.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Mahall hit the crap table, black.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Jack tape going on. I hit the Honey Dollars slop
machine for thirty thousand, My wife hit the brulet well
for five.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Thousand for money front it's the spin.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
We hit the club BlackBerry and more and bottles above.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Now lock on.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Stage for you to see that had charged the one
that ownedly and checked me having fun with it. So
them done with it and me and missus p hit
the hotel Sleep from the City that Never Sleep. We
take power naps from the road that's sold the most albums,
and rain and last the longest run laps and rang
your strongest top shot and ran out of steam, but
(08:35):
tried his hardest little seventeen am and then I just
woke up eight pm. Then again.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
NV just Hilarius Charlamine, the guy we are the Breakfast
Club is still kicking it with Havoc. I see a
lot of your stories have been on Browl the last
couple of days. Right, of course, the park stories always
go viral, to j Zy stories go viral. But the
mind frame back then when you felt like the West
Coast was taking a stab at the East, right, and
y'all said, nah, this can't happen. Break that down, because
(09:03):
y'all will probably wanted the first to jump out the
window and be like, we riding all day long, and
how difficult was it when y'all were torring and going
to these markets and seeing these people, And did you
ever run into any of the people that you shot
at me on record?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I should say, yo, check it out.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Like when you in places like Minneapolis and you see
people throwing up gang signs and holding up Tupot posters,
you don't even know if you're gonna make it out
of here. You understand what I'm saying. So that's that,
you know what I mean? Never mind going to the
West Coast.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
But you know, back in those days, we was in
our twenties. You know what I'm saying we invincible. We
like what we got beef is on. I'm surprised more
artists in New York didn't come out swinging.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
You understand what I'm saying. This is NYC, and yeah,
we love our.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
West Coast brethreoms for sure, but were gonna let you know,
if you clap with us, we're gonna clap back, you
know what I'm saying. You know, a couple of artists
came represented New York, but not in a way where
we like yos y'all kick it down the buildings like nah,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
We're not letting you do that.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
But it was it was it was a test, you
know what I'm saying, Because it was it was serious
back then. People was getting shot and things of that nature.
But we came out, We survived it.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
And that never ran into anybody on the West Coach
that never ran into a park back and it ain't
nobody nah.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And it's not like we was hotting, you understand what
I'm saying. Like we went, we was in La. We
had to be in La, you know, to promote the project.
But he passed, you know what I'm saying, Like when
the people, was about to be on We came out
with a project that's we was about to hell on
Earth and he got shot.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
You know what I'm saying. That kind of just made everything.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Like and you'll like to switch singles because they said
the single was la la right he got killed or shot.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Right because it no, it was drop a gem on him,
drop a gym on it was drop a gym on it.
We put that out and it was it was it
was going viral so to speak for back then, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
What I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
But then he got shot and it's like, yo, son,
let's pull the record, like me and Pete like, yo,
let's pull it. Not even the label saying that, and
we pulled the record. And then eventually he definitely passed away,
so it was like damn, but we put it on
an album.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
And pulling the record.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I mean, I know it's common sense to be like, okay,
you're pulling it because now things are like so serious.
But in that moment where y'all made that decision, the conversations,
like I think a lot of people hear these stories too,
and it just sounds like it's not kind of like
almost like a folk tells us. But you were like
in that moment, like what's the feeling of Like is
it okay? We want to pull it because we just
don't even want to be involved in this anymore, even
(11:23):
though you're already there, or is it like out of respect?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Like what's the real like like for real?
Speaker 5 (11:28):
For real?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, like why why pull it?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Because at that point, y'all are already like we hear
we doing this, like we've broken out our chest.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Look, at the end of the day, he was a brother,
He was our brother.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Like we might have beat for them and all of that,
but we don't wish death on nobody. You understand what
I'm saying. And we're not that thirsty like to be
like whatever he did, like keep it moving like that
would have been bad taste anyway, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
It was been tasteless. So we just like, nah, this
this pull it? You know.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I mean, your relationship was Big was not the best?
What you mean was it good? Because I thought the
relationship wasn't necessarily the greatest. You and Big, Oh for real?
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Me me and BG we got the same birthday.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Oh I didn't know that. Did y'all ever have conversations
to say? Because y'all were both getting shot at like crazy.
Did y'all ever have conversations like let's do this together?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Right?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Unfortunately, that's another one that passed away so early. You
understand what I'm saying, because you know, Puff said, Yo,
come to the studio. I need you to do some
music with Big. I didn't even know the locks gonna
be on the song last Days. So I'm in there
doing that. He in another room because I guess he
was recording like crazy back.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Then, you know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
So we never got a chance to really have a conversation.
We went on tour together, you know what I'm saying.
The last memories I have are Big is being in
Ohio and we're supposed to go on. But Big was
like f that I'm going on before y'all because they
sprayed Mason. The crowd like like like you know, like
the gang members is wild that I didn't even know
(12:54):
Ohio had gangs like that.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
But those are the memories I have on him. So
we didn't get a chance to really kick it. Kick it.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
But I think if had he lived longer, we would
have probably been partying together.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
You know what I'm saying. Same birthday, gyminut.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Me, How did watching you know the depth of Tupac
and then a Biggie change how you felt about just
being an artist at the time, Like were you scared?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
But did it change because y'all ain't stop beefing. Y'all
kept going. Y'all never stopped nah, you know what.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
To be honest with you, it was like I felt
it was mad disrespectful. You understand what I'm saying for Like,
it's like, no, like you just killing artists like y'all
just you know.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
What I'm saying. I understand you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Artist is human beings, but it's like no respect for
the artists, like y'all just murking the artist. So that
had me super concerned, Like you know, I'm like wow,
Like it's you know, you already got your concerns when
you going on to him making sure you're safe, but
now just people just get out of here, like by
you going you Nah, that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I always tell everybody if we have a hip hop conversation,
my favorite beat up and I think I told you
before it shipped one, right, It's just when you think
of hip hop, there's nothing that out hip hop shit ones,
just the raw, just uncut. It doesn't sound like it's
ever filtered. It was just doesn't feel like it's never mixed.
And it just feels like that. But I also feel
like when a lot of times when they talk about
some of the greatest producers in this industry and in
(14:13):
the game, they don't mention you, right, how does that
make you feel? Because they'll mention, they'll mention the Dre's,
they'll mention so many other people, but I never a
lot of times I don't hear having I.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Mean, you know, it could get frustrating, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
It get frustrated, you know, when your neighme is not
being mentioned when you feel like it should be mentioned.
But at the same time, we never got nominated for Grammys.
And I'm sure we had albums that was platinum at
gold during the time when the other artists were platinum
gold and that, you know, and we never got nominated.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
So I just feel like it's in the same vein.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
But you know what, my piers, you know what I'm saying,
when I see them, Like I just seen doctor Dre
the other day. He's like, yo, you inspired me, and
I'm looking at him like like, you know what I'm saying,
Like you inspired me, But I feel him, I understand
what he's saying because we all inspire each other.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So things like.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
That kind of negate the frustration I feel of not
being mentioned because I could see somebody like doctor Jane
they be like, yo, son, like you know what I mean,
and that's all I be meaning, that's all you need say.
They were Prodigy with lyrics.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I think a lot of people don't necessarily understand how
nice he was lyrically. He doesn't get into a lot
of those conversations as well either he don't. But then
you have somebody like jay Z if you ask him
a question about Prodigy, he'd be like, Prodigy was one
of those ones.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
So when people don't involve them in a conversation, but
they rappers favorite rapper is screaming they nick, like not
screaming they nick, but giving them the credit, I think
sometimes that's.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
That's the just dude.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Sometimes eventually the generations that's gonna come after us when
they start doing their little investigation like we used to
do with the maybe not tell because they're a little younger,
but you know with the seventies, like we pulling like
James Brown were pulling all these stylistic blue magic. They're
gonna start pulling those small deep records and be like, damn,
what's this?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
This sounded crazy? Didn't know all that other stuff that's
supposed to be top forty, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
And how you mentioned Jake, how did that beef ever start?
And do you ever regret never producing for whole? Is
that one of the things off top? Of course, you
know what I'm saying. As a producer, you want to
produce for the.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Best producer for every New York.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
But right one, right, that's that's the one I'm chasing,
you know what I mean, But shout out the whole.
When that beef happened, I had to stay with my brother.
I didn't start. Oh it started because back to what
we was talking about with the you know, stupid crush
the buildings, and then we came with La La, and
then I think Prodigy seen an article with uh matter
(16:38):
of fact, I think jay Z said something in his
line about New York be sold since he didn't appreciate it,
and then he said something in a magazine and called
uh hold out his name.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Oh is it?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
You know what I'm saying, there's a call tact sport.
He you know what I'm saying. He had his prolem
he going right back at prodigy.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
So it just started right there. Do you feel like
that beef hurt Bobby.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I'm not gonna say that it hurt moll Deep, but
it could have did at a little little, nice little delay,
you know what I mean. Because when you got somebody
like that just coming at you, you know what I'm saying,
it's like it's start chipping away at you know that Almah.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I always wanted to know what Na said during that
time when you because y'all all be f together, the
nads of us say yo, let's do this together.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Like what was that conversation?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Like, Nah, he was on his lone wolf real quick,
you know what I mean. He came up with that ether.
It was like, you know what I mean, Nobody saw
it coming, you know what I mean. We never ever
had a conversation about like Yo, yeah, man, let's let's
go get him.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Let's jump them, let's jump him.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Now that was we got more with Havoc from Mob
Deep when we blow on the road, is here as well,
we're still kicking it with Havoc.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
From Mob Deep now.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Always I always like to ask because these are my
two favorite beats, my two favorite hip hop beats. I
want you to break down when you create shit ones,
when you.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Create a choir star? Right?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And whose choice was it to put it of every
artist out there? While little chim So let's start off
with breaking down shit ones. So where were you when
you made it? Create when you made shook ones? And
did you know that was gonna be.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
What it was?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Shook Ones?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I made that in my in Queen's Bridge, in my
mom's apartment where I grew up at right, thirty records
all over the floor, scratch pop, vinyl. Didn't even really
know what I was doing. Then the crew came into
crib Prodigy all and they said, what's this. I was like, Oh,
it's whatever, whatever. I'm about to turn the computer, you know,
the drum machine. No no, no, no no no, don't
don't don't turn it off.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Keep it. Kept it. We did the song to it.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Actually we had to Shook one part two and then
part one, and then then this became part two and
it took off. I had no idea it was going
to do that Quiet Storm. I ran out of samples,
you know what I mean. I ran out of anything
to sample. So I'm just looking at this sugar Hill
Gang record, like, damn, let me just try you for that,
because that's a record that I always passed, like you know,
(18:48):
white lines and all of that.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Nobody's not putting that on, you know what I mean.
So put that on, sampled it.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I said, let me slow it down maybe, like you know,
slow it down, throw some rim shots to it, and
just did it.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Didn't think nothing of it.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Prodigy used to come to my house go in the
basement to the studio while I'm sleep and then when
I went down, He's like, Yo, have what's this? I
was like this whatever, It wasn't nothing, and he did
a whole solo song to it, and then we ended
up making it the first single on I believe it
was Murder Music. And I was kind of a little
upset by then because Chris Lighty, God bless her dad,
(19:23):
he was like, Yo, we making this the first single.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
I'm like, Yo, I'm not on it, you know what
I'm saying. He was like, but you made the beat.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
And I think that was the time when now everybody's
just looking at me as a producer and not even
a rapper. So that was a that's another story, you
know what I mean, that I'm getting looked at just
as a producer when I just be trying to, like,
you know, write my life away on the paper.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
But it's all good.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
And then how did y'all get what was the decision
to put Little Kim? Why Little Kim of all the
he's at that time?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Why him?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I mean, come on, very you know what time it is.
We go in the club right now, I'm all deeps
in the clubs. It's a sausage sveets, right, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
So we like, yo, we need to we need to
get the chicks involved. Who could get who? We could
get Little Kim? And she agreed to do it. I
went to the studio. I seen that in there writing
her verse. She sung a hookover. I'm telling you that
record took off off like you couldn't.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It was genius.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It was to the day where you could put out
a street record and it could be a single, and
this day is Kim's. One of Kim's biggest verses. It
just connects hot damn hole here we go again, and
she got that little the dance that she.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Do to this day, to this day, to this day.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Yeah, I was thinking about you. You mentioned like going
in the club and like using that and bringing that
back into the music. Maybe some artists do that now,
but I think a lot of artists are geared toward
like TikTok and numbers and research because the industry has changed.
And he always talks about how lit the club scene
in New York was, and all the artists and all
the things.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Like I was telling her that everybody used to be outside.
Ye when we was talking like it was, there were
no I would say, Richard broke.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
It was.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
It was the duel from the block on the left side.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Right, mob deep on the right, in this corner, kimming
them on this side. You would see Knaves was always
in the cup boy himself somehow someway wiggling in and out.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
You would see the lost boys. You just see so many.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You would see everybody in the club, and you would
see how music reacts. And like you said, it wouldn't
matter you play the gangsters, record girls was rapping, dudes
is rapping. And we would go from club to club
night tonight it was just a feeling in New York.
I always tell you about that you just could never change.
It was just something about that.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
I mean, it was an amazing time, you know what
I mean. Like when Street Records was you was able
to dance to it. You didn't have to make a
radio record, you know what I mean. But once your
record took off in the clubs, you was kind of
like pretty much out of there.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I think the clubs.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Dictated hits when you signed with fifty, When y'all did
the deal with fifty, break that down and while y'all
decided to sign that deal, and where were y'all at
that point as far as mob.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Deep to you, I mean, if you get off of
some ferraris, you got to go side the deal. Absolutely,
But nah, he called me. We was free agents at
that point. I think we had been on a job.
If we sold one hundred and fifty thousand records the
first week, that wasn't good enough for job today. That
I mean, that's like probably platinum or.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Something like that.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Absolutely, but it was happy with thirty exactly, So I
guess we was ahead of our time on not whatever
it is. But fifty called me and I had already
worked with fifty like maybe a year before that, before
he was bubbling on the mixtaps I remember, and he
was one of my favorite artists, you know what I'm saying.
We did bump that and clapped those things or whatever,
(22:30):
and that was supposed to be for my solo album,
loud Folded never came out, and then the next thing,
you know, a year later, somebody didn't fifty cent. It's
just going bubbling, right, So we kept that relationship going,
and by the time we became free agents, gave me
a call said I don't want to sign y'all. He
swept us up into the g unit Umbrella went on
tour restless history.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Why how come you never signed more artists? Because you
you were the producer, you were the artist. How could
you could have I'm sure signed fifty early on besides Dinoy,
who did y'all true?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
You know what it is? I guess I haven't ever
found the artist that I truly like.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
YO, Like I I just don't want to sign somebody
just to sign somebody like I guess my my bar
is high, you know, I really want to sign that artist. Now,
this is an artist that I did want to sign
that she wasn't signed at the time. It was a
Jazmine Sullivan. She just came into like right because back
then I was like getting people to throw reference vocals
(23:24):
and Steve I was working with stevebej and he knew
her and got to the studio and I was like,
God damn.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I was like, Yo, she's nice, you.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Know what I mean. But she's one of those artists
that you know it's going to get a major record
deal and get signed. You got to come with the
business if you want to sign a Jazmine Celibate. But
for instance, like I don't run across artists like that
all the time, and those are the artists that I
really would have, you know what I mean, And they
few and fall between.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
So you didn't sign her only because the deal with
situation was gonna be with you thought it should be
Like how did.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
That not move?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I wasn't ready. You know what I'm saying. I ain't
gonna lie for you know, female artists is like high maintenance.
You know what I'm saying. It come with a lot,
you know what I'm saying. Not to you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I mean, cause you got glam and branding and get it.
And I will say, although Jasmine no Archie che is
a little different, but Jasmine Sullivant is one of the
best singers period in the game. Right.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
But I feel like it took people so long.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
It was hotels for me when people even started recognizing
her the way that they should have. And she had
been working for so long before that, so I'm sure
a lot of money was poured into that. So I
understand what you're saying, but y'all didn't even have a
conversation and attempt to see like what she would say
to your offer.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I had the conversation in my mind, you know what.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I'm saying, Like I wish that I you know, because
I was just you know, I was in.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
My own way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
But the artist in me wanted her to shine, you
know what I mean, and not even you know, try
to get in her way. But you know that's what
it is, like I never come across all this or
that caliber. It's really hard, right, like you know. So
that's why I was gonna ask, what's the biggest bag
you ever you ever missed out on? Because just business wise,
you didn't plan for that. The biggest bag I missed
(25:02):
out on was for a super Bowl commercial. They wanted
to use the Mall Deep music in the super Bowl
commercial and for whatever reason, uh, a lawyer took too
long and we missed out on the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
So yeah, that that hurts still hurt.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So you're doing this album as a passion project because
obviously you don't need the money if you're still getting paid,
I ain't say that. Infinite is out this Friday, and
we appreciate you for joining us.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Man.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I love these stories and I just love to see
the growth because I was a kid in Queens and
I watched what y'all did and we admired that, you know,
I mean from the driving the cars, the shooting and
shook Ones video to all that we got a chance
to see it.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
So the fact that you're still heavy and you're still
doing it, man, we appreciate you. And this is we
got a date for the method Man Covid Covid album.
Oh yeah, the Mepha Man Covid.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
We don't have a date, but me and him were
actively in the studio and he tried to put me
in the head like I didn't let him, but he said.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
We got to finish this album for a couple of
months date, but okay.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
We'll have on though. Thanks for joining us, Thank you,
thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
An album comes out this Friday. It's Havoc, It's the
Breakfast Club, Good Morning, hold in the Wall, get it
at Me. It's Wing to Club.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Send the kites with the moldor Brothers, give them the
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