The Breakfast Club Interview with Joel Tudman talks New Book 'The Fight to Find Yourself', Healing and more

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
The Breakfast Club wanting everybody is DJ n V, Jesse, Hilarias, Charlamaine,
the guy. We are the Breakfast Club Lawla Roses here
as well. We got a special guest in the building.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
We told you you're going to have him back.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
That's right, doctor Joelson, and welcome back man.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Thank you for having us back. I didn't get to
talk to you last time. I wasn't here. I was
out of town. How you doing that parade? It's it's
honor to meet your brother.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
New book, The Fight to find Yourself moving from uncertain
to unstoppable is out now.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I want to ask you, doctor Joe, what was.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
The What was the moment, like that real breaking point
that made you realize you weren't living as.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Your authentic self? Several moments. I don't think I can
categorize it to one. I think it was a breakdown
for me, a chain of events, a lot of success,
and the success couldn't solve the pain. And so once
all the breakdowns started to accumulate, I started realizing this
stuff is just a band aid. Every accolade, every award,

(01:02):
every stage, every opportunity could not solve the inner pain
and so having a good community. Of course, Jay, of
course other brothers and other ministers that knew that I
was hurting started looking into the insights, saying, hey, man,
pull yourself back. We need to talk to you. My

(01:24):
mentor who became a pastor, he began to talking to me.
He told me to stop speaking. So for I think
nine months too, he tried in travel. I didn't go anywhere.
He made me stay home and minister at the house
so he could watch over me and check over me.
But the pain had gotten pretty bad, pretty bad. I
think I put a gun to my head twice during
that process, trying to figure out how to maneuver through.

(01:48):
But then once I found a pretty good therapist, things
started changing, and I started journal and started documenting and
seeing things change for myself.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
You talk about in the opening of the book going
through the motion of things and how they just feels
so empty. Yeah, but you also have such a big
platform and you're speaking places you can fall back into
the motions easily, even at certain points in it, like
how do you kind of stop yourself from falling back
into the motion of things because you know you're entertaining
at the same time too.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
It's a great question. Let's do it like this. When
the annoying comes on you to speak, it comes on
you for the task for the moment. So the annoying
comes on you to do what you need to do.
You study yourself, how you prepare, You do what you
need to do. You pray. That's God doing his thing
through you. When that's over, it's over, and you can

(02:38):
walk off the stage and feel like you're absolutely failed,
even though people were absolutely blessed. You can walk off
the stage get a phone call that just rips everything away.
After all, those people have given their lives to Christ.
And that's what I'm talking about, that that moment, you're
annoying it for that moment, and then when you come off,
you don't have the badge to live. And that's what

(02:59):
I was experienced, and so it was a massive fall
off and I got tired of that, real tired of him.
What changed?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
What gave you the feeling of wanting to live again?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
I lost my father and my son back to back.
Both of those relationships were difficult to had my son
when I was sixteen years old. They came to live
with me in his sophomore year and then my father.
We had a good relationship, but it wasn't like what
you want to father and son to have. I respected
him very much so, and he wasn't an absentee. We

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just didn't have a relationship. And so that thing grew
grew and grew. So in the process, I built all
these walls that protected me emotionally. And the last two
weeks of my dad's life, I spent with him in
the hospital and I got to know him like I

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never knew him before. I held his hand, washed him,
I shaved him, I fed him, scratched his back. It
was a different feeling from me that unleashed this avalanche
of emotions that I never felt before, and I needed
to figure out how to deal with them. For a
little bit, I felt like it was great, And then

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for a second I was like, God, how could you
do this? How could you wait till the end? And
I'm this old to give me the feeling of being
a son. I'm already a man, and I've already mastered
the way I do life, you know, and so it
may not be perfect, but it's mine. And when that happened,
those two deaths broke down everything I knew. It broke

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down my own blueprint, and I had to come up
with a new one. So you lost yourself because of
what you lost. When people.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
You too you at your lowest and you're feeling like
taking your life, most people say that is the devil working,
and it's not anything but the devil trying to get
you to take your life.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Do you agree with that? I don't know if I
agree with it or not. I'm gonna be honest with you.
I know that Satan comes to kill, still and destroy.
I don't think God does that. But what I will
say is that there are some things that happen to
us internally chemically that we are born with or born
without that only scientists can answer. I don't think the

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scientist is God not saying that. But I don't think
that's a question that you could just easily answer from
a five or six minute conversation. I think it involves
a lot of study, a lot of interpretation, and the
opportunity to really converse with people that have the problem,
not people are just sitting around the table discussing it.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Because when most people feel like they want to take
their life, it's a lot of times they feel worthless,
right they feel like that they don't have an answer,
they'd rather they feel like life would be better without
them than with them in it, And it's learning that
that complete opposite.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Did you have that feel I felt that because I
had understood the word of God and had enough left
in the tank. I had enough to kind of come
back and forth and talk to myself. When I was younger,
I didn't. I just took the pills, but I didn't die.
When I got older and I pulled that trigger, I

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pulled that trigger to die, but I didn't. I felt
that way. But I will say I was going back
and forth dialogue in my head. Now, this is something
I want to say straight up. Most pastors, most people
in church are going straight up to you know, you're
going to hell, you know, and that is the devil's work. Again,

(06:43):
I think it's unprofessional and it's a lack of empathy
and compassion to have a conversation with the person to
find out why they felt that way. Why do you
feel that way? I think that's a part of the conversation.
I understand the eternal security and eternal damnation. We got
that the religious perspective of the walk with God. Somebody

(07:07):
still needs to get in your walk, get in your
shoes with the word of God and help you walk
through why you feel that way. I think that's the
missing ingredient. Great question, great debate, but the missing piece
of the question and the conversation is the person, why
do you feel that way?

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Because I've been there before and I write it in
my book of me being feeling worthless right, me doing
things making me feel like an embarrassment to my family,
and me feeling like not being here would be better
for my family. Took a lot of praying, a lot
of talking, a lot of discussion. When somebody ever tells
me that they're thinking about it, I jumped to it immediately, right,

(07:47):
And the reason I jumped to it and jump to
have a conversation I have conversation with so many people online.
The reason I jumped to it is because another thing
that also gives me great fear is sometimes people feel
like I got to show you I would do it,
you know what I mean, Like I'm thinking about it,
And a lot of times we write that person off
like just just go sleep, just go take a shot,

(08:09):
just just go talk to somebody, And I feel like
the worst thing you can do to somebody in that
position is kind of sign them off. They almost feel
like I have to show you I was going to
do it, and once I have, once I show you,
there is no ups there is no fix that.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
I can't fix that. That's why I said the person,
the person matters. I love the theological conversation, the church conversation.
It's great to have put the put the collar down
and talk to the person and then we'll navigate there.
Why do you feel that way? What caused you to
get that way? That's more important right now, you know,

(08:45):
And I love what you said about it, because some
people say I'm just going to do it, and if
you and I and if they do it, we don't
get an opportunity to come back.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
We got more with doctor Joel A tell mean when
we come back. He has a new book, The Fight
to Find Yourself. It's the Breakfast Club Good Morning.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Never could have made AT without you, I would have
a host it all. But now I see how you
were there for me, and I can say, never would

(09:26):
have made that, never could have made AT without honey.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
You, I would have it lost at all.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
But now I see how you were there for me,
and I can say I'm strong, I'm the wiser, I'm
mad too much, mad.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Went out, look back.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Everybody and just Hilari Charlamagne, the guy we are the
Breakfast Club. Lawna Roses here as well, was too kicking
with doctor joel A Tubben Laurie.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
You also talk about to in the book, just how
your wife has coached you through so many different moments
in your fight for the partners out there who are
like everybody's finding themselves. But I think when I hear
how you speak about her, there are certain parts and
certain things you couldn't have done without her. God, but
it has to be heavy on her as well. How

(10:47):
is she bouncing her own fight with helping you do
your fight?

Speaker 3 (10:49):
It's sometimes it's unfair. It's unfair because she had to
stop fighting for herself to help me fight. But I
think that's the power of love, and I think we
evolve in time. I think I don't think that marriage
is a fifty to fifty. Sometimes it's going to be
eighty twenty. Sometimes it's gonna be ten, one hundred, sometimes

(11:10):
it's gonna be seventy thirty. I think love is love,
and whatever number adds up that's based off of the
try the push between the two people, and there's always
gonna be one this week, and there's always gonna be
one that's strong. And so to each couple, I would
say that the journey to becoming who you are together

(11:34):
will be based off of the two of you remaining
honest and open. And I can carry you today. I
may not be able to carry you tomorrow. I carry
you today.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
People don't talk about a lot about how important a
good partner is, right, Yeah, because when I'm when I've
been at my lowest many times, if it wasn't for
my partner, I don't think I would be able to
come out of it the way that I did be.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
There for you guys crazy. This guy's crazy.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (12:07):
What's so crazy?

Speaker 2 (12:08):
I see him yesterday in the street, right, just happen
to see him in the street.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
I'm with my wife and my daughter. He's with his wife.
He walks up to me, He's going, kisses at me.
Howd your wife handled that? My wife didn't see his
wife see that?

Speaker 2 (12:23):
And his wife's like really, like, like that's wrong with
you now?

Speaker 5 (12:30):
Kissing him?

Speaker 3 (12:31):
What she said? But talk about the importance of a
part of that. His wife goes, somebody just blow kissing.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
He goes, that was Charlotte Man.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
I think that's beautiful that your spouses can laugh at that.
They can't. I don't know how long it took me
laugh at first. I don't think they thought it was
that funny talk about.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
The importance of of a good partner and a good
spouse when you're going to those things, because you know,
Charlamagne and myself talk about when you're really faithful in
your average and life, it opens up a whole another life,
another category, another.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
A whole nother round of favor. Absolutely, that comes upon
your life. Yes, a whole another round of favor, because
sometimes you feel like yours are worth nothing and we're
living off the other. Having a good spouse is the
opposite of having a bad one, Okay, And I think
a lot of the world is experiencing bad relationships. But

(13:26):
you hear so much about what it takes to being
a good one. To being a good one means you
survive a lot of bad things. I don't know anybody
that's been in a great relationship that doesn't have stories
of wounds and cuts and memories where things have gone bad.
That's what makes it good that you can go through

(13:48):
the storms and go through the rain and still remain.
And there'll be times where you feel like walking away.
There'll be times when you feel like departing. You take yours,
take mind, or you just take it all in out bounce.
But the love, the commitment, the responsibility to become the
one that you want to be drives everything. My wife,

(14:12):
her name is Latasha. She's been with me. I didn't
have anything, but that's not true. I did have something.
My credit was bad. That's what was bad. Yeah, I
had things, but my credit was bad and I was
able to get things without credit. But she looked at
the credit and said, yo, your credit is terrible. I

(14:32):
can fix it for you. I said what she said,
I can fix it for you. So she fixed my credit.
Credit went up and she's like, yo, I can handle
the money. And that was different from me because I
don't know. I've never been socialized into manhood where the
woman handled the money. But she could handle the money.
So I let our relationship be our relationship. At first,

(14:54):
I was a little bit embarrassed. I had this myth
of manhood that if she's doing this, and she's doing this,
it's going to make me look stupid. But I realize
my marriage is my marriage. It's not yours, and it
is not yours, and it's not until i'm a tour
as a man that I understand what goes on in
my house is my house. I don't care what's happening
in your house. So your spouse has to have the
ability to endore with the worst of you and the

(15:17):
best of you, and likewise, and just make sure that
you guys are on the same page with raising children,
all right. Make sure you're on the same page with
raising children so that you can recreate something beautiful and
not create something that's going to be a monster.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
But the steps of that for people, like if you both.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Don't have children, or even if one person does have children,
sometimes you don't know how person is into they're in
a situation, even if you have conversations prior to like,
what are the real steps to know?

Speaker 3 (15:43):
I don't think that there is a a cookie cutter
step because we're all different. I think when we spend
time with each other, what are you actually doing If
you're just having sex, smoking and drinking and they're all
having a real conversation about them, who you are? Where
you come from. What do you like? What don't you like?

(16:05):
I think all those things need to be talked about first.
What makes you happy? What makes you sad? When you
get angry? Do you throw things? Do you cuss? Do
you go off? Do you belittle me? Can you encourage
me when you don't like me? Can you still show
up for me when you want to leave me if
we have to go to a function. Will you embarrass

(16:26):
me even though you're upset with me? How do you
want to be appreciated? How do you want me to
leave you alone? How do we argue? What are our
parameters for arguing? Ours was listen? If you leave, you
come back, don't stay gone, and don't go to nobody
else's house to spend the night. If you don't want
to talk to me, go in the other room. But

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at some point in time that must be a resolution.
I think all those things matter because then we have
people that get married because the sex is great. We
get married because we got money, and the kids are
going to be pretty because we both look good. But
we've done none of the other work to discover what
we like. If you're Catholic and I'm Protestant, If you're Catholic.

(17:08):
Do you want the kids to be all of that
little bitty stuff that we avoid because we're attracted. Those
things need to be discussed. Then let's go to counseling.
Let's go to counseling and see what happens. If we're Christian,
let's also go visit the Christian counselors. It doesn't have
to be the pastor what is it the they're saying
about our relationship? And I walk with God because I

(17:30):
don't want to get in our in our marriage and
find out you you don't believe the way I believe?
Why am I just not finding that out? All of
those little things need to be discussed before we ever
even talk about kids. Then we start talking about it.
How do we want to raise our children? How many
children do you want? What kind of school do you
want them to go to? Do you believe in corporate punishment?

(17:52):
I think that's the right word of beating your kids
or soft parented, whatever the correct words are. I think
all those things matter before we do. But we're backwards.
We have sex first, we like the feeling first, and
we get together and we stay together and neither end
up with coming law marriage, or we go ahead and
get married because we're already pregnant, and then we wrestle

(18:13):
with all the other stuff later. Just flip the script.
We know what to do, just reverse the order to
flip the script.

Speaker 5 (18:19):
Who We are very.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Intentional about a lot of the things. This is probably
the first time ever. I mean, I'm thirty three, so
I'm pretty young. But this is the first time that
I feel like my intention is actually like matched. And
even when it's not the best thing, like I'm not
the best person and vice versa, it's still like a no,
we're gonna we sit down.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
We were about to talk about this. And I've never in.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Certain conversations I've never had Like we had a financial
conversation the other day and I was like, no one
has ever. It's the first time you had it ever. Yeah,
it was. It's very new, but so it's been some months.
But we've been dating for longer than that. But we've
been dating for about a year. But officially it's not new.

Speaker 5 (19:00):
Yes, it is to be.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
That is not new. I wish I had a computers.
Do you like you doing?

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Me?

Speaker 4 (19:09):
Know?

Speaker 5 (19:10):
The only reason we knew is because she had to.
First of all, she.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Just thought so one of them fell off.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
No that's not true. No that's not he's framing this
completely wrong.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Alright, when we come back, we're gonna talk more about Lawrence.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
So don't go anywhere.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Doctor Joel A Tubman is here.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
It's the breakfast Well, good morning.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
You're going up.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
They're not going up there. You're going up, Not she
going up the night?

Speaker 3 (19:38):
She going up?

Speaker 5 (19:39):
They're not she going up. They're not going up there.
Not she going up the night? Start calling off phones,
she going up the night? Blowing down outlying you the
bus to type, knowing that you're lying. We don't go
for the height. Catch up from behind.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
He ain't know.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
I'm She's like when I drive, made me know what
I like. And then I said, why let me go
for it?

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Dy?

Speaker 5 (20:09):
Who going adopt the night? You going up?

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Is DJ Envy just hilarious.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Charlamagne and the guy we are the breakfast club. We're
still talking, doctor Joel a Tubman, that we would just
diving into Lauren's life.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Okay, So the only reason why I say it's new
is because I think I've had to learn. You've had
to learn how to be very.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
Different in this stage in my life.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Not even relationship just because of like career and a
lot of things. I took a lot more time with
certain things this time around sexual sex.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
What'd you do different about it?

Speaker 1 (20:56):
We just it took some more time before it happened,
which is very different from me. We also we also
public like being in public with each other. I took
time before I did that in public sneaky videos.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
We're still taking I feel.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Now just got one year we've been dating.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
For you, that's a long time.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
That's still very new.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Though. Have you slept with him within three and sixty
five days? Okay? You have? You have had sex with
this man multiple times? Uh huh, look at your mind.
What I'm saying is this exactly what you just said.
You've slept with this man. You have a smile on
your face. You are you're enjoying that you have slept
with this man multiple times. You should be that enthusiastic

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about everything else.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
But I'm saying this is the first time that I am.
Like in other situations, there have been things that I think.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
When did you find out about his credit first.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Month or first month of us being in a relationship,
not the first month of us dating.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
So on, what's the difference to tell me.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Because when we were dating, it was casual stuff, so
it was like dinner, it was phone conversations.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
It wasn't you know, did y'all talk about your faith?

Speaker 5 (22:10):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (22:10):
When that was probably like one of our first in
person conversations.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
So how long did it take from phone to in person?
What do you mean you did phone first, then you.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
Did in person first?

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Because this is someone that I already knew, Like we
went to college together for a bit, so we did
in person first and then the phone kind of guy friends.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
Yeah, we were cool before that.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Did y'all sleep together when y'all was cool? No, no desire, No.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
There was desire, but it did happen. And that's what
I'm saying. I took the conversation. Yeah, like there was
definitely desire.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yeah, so you wanted this guy already? Did he want
you already?

Speaker 5 (22:50):
I don't think so what made you?

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Did he ask you out? Did you ask him out?

Speaker 1 (22:54):
We got together as friends just he was like, you know,
you're in Jersey, would love to take you out the
happy hour, celebrate everything got going on. It wasn't who
initiated the term me. I initiated the term aggressive.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Especially on that cast. It was a lot being left.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
It wasn't even about No, it wasn't me being aggressive
on cosamigos. It was when we said our first time
in person, that happy hour conversation. I was sitting there
and I'm like, man, this man is amazing, Like I
would love to get to know more about him, not
just as my fear.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Now, let me ask you this. When you said that,
where were you psychologically emotionally? Did you know yourself before
you made that decision?

Speaker 5 (23:35):
No, I don't think I fully know myself.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Now, how much of yourself do you know? What do
you know about yourself?

Speaker 1 (23:40):
I know a lot about myself, but I don't think
that I'm fully through like my fight, Like so you're
still fighting on und I didn't even begin the fight, honestly,
probably until this year, because I didn't know that it
was a fight to be had.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
I just figured that's.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
So powerful because I just told him that that sometimes
when you were in a relationship, this is not your relationship.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
Go ahead, I'm enjoying them.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
I think sometimes when you're in a relationship, when you
get healed, when you actually find you, it opens up
your eyes so much that you start looking at all
of your choices and all of your decisions, and you
can see the unhealthy picks, the unhealthy partners, the unhealthy conversations,
And it's hard to speak to sick people. And I'm

(24:26):
not pointing to anybody specific. It's hard to have a
conversation with sick people because you yourself didn't know you were sick,
and now you realize that, hey, I'm better, but I
created this sickness or I played a part in the
sickness that becomes difficult, which is what I know we'll
probably talk about with the holidays. When you're going into

(24:46):
the holidays. Should I be trying to discover myself right now?
And it's twofold. Its juxtaposition. If you have a safe place, yes,
If it's not safe, no, because those conversations will turn
into wars and it'll create a horrible holiday experience. But

(25:09):
if you have a safe place and there is enough
health in the room, mom, uncle, sister therapist somewhere, there
has to be some safety for you to retreat and
then not necessarily isolation, but some alone time for you
to actually process and come out and talk. You can

(25:31):
move methodically through it. But if you are healed, your
hold and you are connected to someone that is sick,
it's going to be a difficult path. How then my
question to you, how do you have a healthy conversation
with an unhealthy person?

Speaker 5 (25:53):
Right now? I just be doing it.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
You just be doing it.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
I think a lot of Yeah. I mean, because I'm
thinking about people in my life. I love that I
know they're not having they don't even they're.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Not crear to fear.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
I don't know, lord, No, I'm telling the truth.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Like I'm literally every day I'm engaging with people that
I know are not in the best spaces, like in
their fight, you know. But I don't have a choice
because these are people I love, Like it's my mother,
it's my you know.

Speaker 5 (26:19):
Like, so you literally just get through it.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
You set boundaries for certain conversations, but you I'm literally
just doing it some days because I don't have a choice.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
Like what do you do in a situation like that?

Speaker 3 (26:29):
It's very difficult. It's going to be a war, and
you have to be prepared. And this is what I'm
saying to you. Once you go through your journey, and
you're going through your journey right now, I've gone through mine.
Now I'm evolving, all right, because, like you said, you
don't just get there and stop. Not the same man
you are thirty five for forty five fifty five. If
you're gonna change, you're gonna evrow. But coming into self,

(26:52):
coming into knowledge of self, knowing who I am, knowing
that I know why I get upset about certain things.
I know why certain things trigger me. I know when
I need to remove myself. I know when I need
to go in stronger because I'm aware of me. Now.
Because I'm aware of me, it helps I help myself
in the unhealthy conversation. I don't make it more unhealthy.

(27:13):
I don't make it more toxic because at one point
I was I would keep pushing and keep pushing and
keep pushing because I'm trying to get you to understand
what I'm saying. But I realized you're never going to understand.
You don't have the capacity. So what I've learned now
is that now that I faultifying me, there's no need
for me to fight you because you don't know you.
I need to retreat and let you be you and

(27:35):
come back on another time to help a conversation.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Do you do that differently in different situations, because like
for instance, with my dad, I do that all the time,
but with other people, I go all the way like
that's not happening. Like, so, do you feel like you're
more in your fight? You further along with certain people
in certain situations?

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Okay, so different yea, because they're different people, different relationships,
different levels of covenant. Yeah, definitely, definitely all we think.
Thank you for this amazing opportunity to be with my
brothers and my sister. We asked that you bless her
as she continues to fight to find herself and move
in this industry, that she is more than enough and
she's capable of taking it to the next dimension. We

(28:12):
thank you for both of our brothers who have been
staples in this industry for a long time. Continue to
allow their minds to evolve. Bless their families, Bless their children.
Everyone is to connect it to them God as they
continue the sore in their fields. Father, we thank you
for the day. We thank you for another opportunity to
praise your name. We ask you you seal it. We
thank you for your glory and your divine grace in

(28:34):
Jesus name. Amen, Amen, thank you all. You got to
do it one more time more The breakfast club in
the morning,