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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Warning everybody as DJ Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamage the God.
We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
in the building. We are Pastor Mike Todd. Welcome back brother.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
What's going on? Family? Y'all good today? How you feling?
How you doing? I feel great, man, y'all look good
in there. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Before we dive into anything, I do have a question
because the would making.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Fun of me, right, what's up?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I was speaking to a pastor and we were talking
about the celebration of Halloween, okay, and we used to
go all out as a family. We used to do
these videos and you know, make it fun and right,
just to decorate the house.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
And the pastor said, I don't know if it's a
good idea to go that far into it.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
She said, I'm not gonna tell you don't trick or treat,
but what you're doing might be a little too far.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I got you, what's your thoughts on it?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
So there's a whole bunch of different camps on this,
especially as people are actually coming out of that holiday.
My thing is, this is a season where the origins
of it are very dark, demonic.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Let's say evil.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
There are specific things though, that happen in our culture
that I believe can be redeemed. So I have little
kids that actually like dressing up, and if they dress
up not on Halloween, it's not a bad thing. It's like, oh,
look at him, he looks like a little princess or
anything like that. So what me and my family do
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is we use this opportunity to reach people with what
we believe with faith, We use this moment to bless people,
to give to them, to actually this is a time
for people to actually meet their neighbors. Do you know
how many people live in their neighborhood and never talk
to their neighbors.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Never. Actually you drive.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
By them, you look at their Christmas light, but you
never talk to them. So we use this as a
moment to actually meet our neighbors. We invite them to church,
we bless them with the best candy, we actually talk
to them and use it because all things can actually
work together for good. I definitely think that there are
some evil things that happen in this season. Also, I
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think to the pure, all things are pure and there
is something good that can come out of every situation. Also,
at the church, we do fall festivals, and we bring
kids to the church, and we we take something that
culture uses sometime to glorify something else, and we try
to figure out a way where we can put hope, love, joy,
peace in the middle of it. And so I just
would encourage everybody to use this as a moment to
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come together and not divide.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
You know, I don't think nobody is thinking about Halloween
as something evil. It's it's a community. It's joy, like
you said, it's the giving of the candy. It's a
bonding thing with the family and the neighborhoods.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Like.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I don't think nobody's looking at.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
It like now there are some evil stuff. Come on, now,
hold on, wait, I mean, first off, all of the
why are you gonna do that?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Don't do it like that?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
And one day, and when people do this all year round,
one day of people pretending.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
No, no, no no. I think I think that the hard
movies are evil to.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I think a lot of the origins of them are
a lot of the killing, a lot of the evil spirits,
a lot of the ghost stuff, a lot of demonic activity,
the seances, the Ouiji boards.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I mean, I could go on and on and on.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I do believe that stuff is demonic and does is
spiritual from darkness.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
What about when you're playing the records about people killing
each other.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I think a lot of that is evil origin as well.
Let's be honest, you know, stop playing those records. He
grew up, he.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Celebrate a bunch of you know, a bunch of holidays.
So I got living out his little boy different. You
don't even look at it as a denom. You know,
I got you. What are you about to say?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I'm asking?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But somebody, somebody will say that it's more diving into
demonic ways and worshiping the demon's worship.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
You don't think that, You don't think. You don't think
that music does that? You worship it? Satan was in
the Minister of music. Yes, sir, do you worship it?
You worship music? Yes? I do. Actually I love it.
I believe that worship is a little different than hold on.
Hold on.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Worship is a definite bowing down to something, Okay, So
let's be let's be very clear about that. And music
is a conduit of worship. So I would encourage everybody,
whatever you're listening to, there is.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Something that can get into your heart, your.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Spirit, your mind, your soul that will make you do
things that is not what you would really want to do.
It begins to show your allegiance and to make idols
of different things. And so that's why music is so powerful.
And I will say I agree with you that the
origins of a lot of the music that is out
and that we listen to is from evil nature.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Oh completely. But that's why you have to have strong will.
If you have your own you know what I'm saying.
You got strong will, then you won't be affected.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I will say that. I will say that a strong
will will get you so far. But there are things
that are more powerful than a will. There are decisions
that you can make to partner with certain things that
are stronger than you're deciding no, I don't want to
do that.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
How many people have said.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I ain't going back to that dude and he called
you at nighttime and you end up in his bed.
Dagn hol onween.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I'm just I'm just trying to say.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
What I'm saying is how many times have we said
we're not gonna eat the donut and we're sitting there
with a box of Krispy Kremes. How many times have
we said, so strong will is not always enough. I
really believe that you have to not just have strong will,
you actually have to have disciplines, practices, things that are accountable.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Around you, because if you don't, you will end up.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I think everybody listening to, everybody in this room has
done stuff we had a strong will that we were
not gonna do. Yeah, And that's why I think that
we really have to to put our faith in something
that's stronger than our strong will and have a foundation
that will never change.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
And for me, that's Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
See Charlamagne is the type of person you know you
give up cigarettes and he'd be like, but.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
What I want to be comfortable with. So I'm not judging.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
I'm just But also to what you failed to mention
is I don't think you can. I don't think you
can do a little bit of people. So if you
think something is wrong, you can't do a little bit
of it. I got you. I'm saying, So either you're
gonna stop doing it all together or you.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I'm just not diving into the huge thing that I
used to do before and do these huge videos and.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Decorations and productions. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
If my kids wanted to dress up in Tricker Trey
with their friends. I'm cool with, but I'm not. We
gotta celebrate this. This is progression though, and not perfection.
And I think that everybody has to do that.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Because there will be the Charlotte Maynees of this world
that always try to pick out what you're not doing.
But but I need I felt that you need an
a man right there. But I feel like that that's not.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
The way that people change.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
People don't fall into their vices all of a sudden.
They fall in progressively. It's watching something, it's doing something,
it's then participating it all the time, and it's becoming it.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
No, this is all of a sudden, because on Friday
he was telling us how you forgot his costume. He's
supposed to be damned that all of a sudden, clearly
break shout.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Out everybody who celebrated Halloween.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Is what the transition is.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Production. I'm not doing the production and opening up my
house to that envious.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I am still go I still go out with my kids.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Don't let them do not let him or anybody else. Okay,
It's just this is what I'm saying, Hey, bro, The
truth of the matter is all transitions and have tension
when you're trying to make a change, especially when you
have been something else. You have to realize that people
won't understand your transition because a lot of times that
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transition is supposed to happen in the dark.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
It's supposed to happen dark. One. You have to develop
into that thing.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
And because you guys, do everything in front of everybody,
and somebody can pull up what you said last week
or last year or last month and like you not that, Hey,
forget all of that for everybody that's listening in this
room right now, then that's in here.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Progression is messy in my mind because I was thinking.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
That and again and again. What I'm gonna tell you
is progression and changing into who God has created you
to be is a messy process. And sometimes you go
back and forth. Sometimes you're trying to figure it out.
Sometimes you're trying to feel what's real to you and
what you actually have to do.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
We got more with pastor Michael Todd.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
When we come back.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
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Speaker 6 (08:47):
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Speaker 7 (09:49):
I give you every bad.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I just want to watch get this world email morning.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Everybody is d J in a pure that's Hilarius Charlamage,
the guy we all the breakfast club is still kicking
it with Pastor Michael Todd.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Charlamagne, you're one of the few pastors who really speak
the language of culture right with the line between relevance.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And reverence for you. Yeah, so the line is at
the conviction.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I really have a relationship with God where he will
correct me and convict me. And I have a relationship
with people who have the sit down and shut up
card in my life and most people, when they get
to certain levels, nobody can tell them nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
But I have a wife.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Shout out to my wife, Natalie, who is the greatest
gift that God ever gave me. I met my wife
when I was fifteen years old and we've been together
for twenty three years, married fifteen, four kids later, and
she's the only woman that sees me fully. And when
I say fully, she sees my insecurity, she sees my fault,
she sees my lax she sees my successes. And God
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gave her to me to be a mirror. She don't
care about none of this. She don't care about anything.
She cares that I am a man of God and
I do what I say. And so first off, if
I'm coming home laying next to that every night, that's
that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Hey, Mike, that was too far for real. Hey, you
shouldn't have said that.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Oh dang, I thought that, Like so I people like
that in my life and that's just she's the main one,
but I have several others, and so I approach everything
with reverence. I think that sometimes people get confused though,
the the way people present something with being irreverent just
because it's different. And one of the things that I
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know for me is like I would be this way
if I was an Amazon truck driver.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I would like close, I would I would I would.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Listen to music, I would do different like And God
doesn't bless who you pretend to be.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
He blesses who you really are.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
And so for me, it's like God's changed me every
part of my life throughout this journe and He's continuing
to change me. That's why I leader church called Transformation Church.
I will not be the same this time next year,
something in me will have changed, and perfectly.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Something in you would have changed.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
And that's why a lot of time we take snapshots
of people in their life and we keep them there.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
But please make sure you running a.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Movie on me, because I'm going to keep changing you.
I mean, three years ago, I was two hundred and
seventy five pounds, Saplin, I am not playing with you, Jess.
I'll give you full up a picture you chahundred and
seventy five pounds.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I was hiding it in him three.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
X four x supreme. I was, I was flying. You
couldn't tell me. But then God convicted me. He said,
how you gonna tell these people to live right and
you are going to commit sin every day with your fork?
Nobody talks about that was me because the truth of
the matter is I was sinning, not with a woman.
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I was sinning with a donut. And every.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Hey, listen, I'm telling you. I'm telling you. It's funny.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
But the truth of the matter is people are out
here judging other people for lying and committing adultery, and
they's doing it all while committing sin. Like food was
meant for us to be nourished to fulfill God's plan,
not to become something to give us peace when we
need to go to Him for peace. And so again
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that conviction came to me, and God was like, I
don't want you to say nothing until you get your
life in order. And so I turned my garage into
a gym. I heard a part personal trainer. Me and
my wife work out every day together, and I've lost
sixty pounds.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
My wife finding and she'd ever been in her whole life.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
God, I thank you, And what I'm saying is, but
it came because I got convicted, like and so and again.
We all miss the mark. Everybody misses the mark and
falls of the glory of God. But we all got
to keep trying.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yes, I was two seventy five.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
That's okay, that's crazy, that's crazy. Yeah, but yeah, and
I'm not like like, yeah, it was under it was
under there.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
But he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
God doesn't bless who you pretend to be. He blessing
who you really are. I do not cuz though, but
but he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
But you don't smoke, you don't drink. So what are
you going over there for? Hey, listen, don't judge her. Listen,
you can cuss around me. Thank you. You're still sitting
Why I'm gonna tell your mama why? What would your
mama say?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
This is religion, the same thing you said, but speaking
this is religion. What's happening right now is religion. Religion
says that I'm doing something because of who's around. I'm
doing something because of how it makes me look. I'm
doing something because of how I want you to view me.
If that's not who you really are.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
It can never change.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And so for me, I tell people all the time,
if you cuss, cuss around me, something in me, though.
My prayer is we spend enough time together would allow
you to see that that's not the type of language
that you have to use to get.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Your point across.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
But if that's what you too, I would still rather
be connected to you and have access to you and
love you and be able to be an answer to
your problems then to be disconnected because you cuss.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I draw the line, I don't do that. Don't do
that around me, some stiff you can't do around me.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I mean, there are tons of things you can't do
around me, just for the reasons of what I'm trying
to listen. But the truth of the matter is sometimes
we use those things and we act like that's a
God thing and it's actually your personal thing. Like stop
putting everything on God and say like I don't like
when you cuss around me, Like hey, but.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Certainly it's a respect though, Like around your mama, some
people do depending on who your mama is.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
And what I'm saying is if you don't do it
around your mama, but you do it around everybody else,
you're a faker, and what happens. But what I'm saying
is you're disintegrated. You are learning and practicing being different people,
and there are too many people why depression is on
high while people are dealing with anxiety because they forget
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who they have to show up as. So every room
I walk into, I show up as myself. I don't
have to change. I live a whole life. Most people,
depending on who watching, the bishop walks in, the CEO
walks in, a celebrity walks in, they are trying to
figure out who do I need to be right now?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So if you curse in front of your friend, you
should curse from of your mama or your figure. Yes,
well this is the thing, this is the thing with
my but yes, so.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
The truth of the matter is because there's a reason
why she didn't want you to talk like that, and
you're choosing to go beyond that because I'm gonna live
my own life.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It's your own personal convictions.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I'm just saying that I'd rather you be the same
way so that God could actually change you instead of
him having to find which version of.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You you going to be today.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
The conditioning our conviction and what I mean by that
is has just said we're all conditioned to not talk
like that in front of all parents for the most part. Right,
So with conditioning our conviction because I don't care in
front of my mom just because I know she ain't
going for it.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Right again, I.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Think it could actually be the it's conditioning, like you
know that, especially in the black household, Like there are
certain things you don't do here, but wait till y'all
kids start doing it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Do you let your kids cuss in front of you?
Speaker 7 (17:34):
God?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Damn?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I mean, oh my god, not you? What do you say?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
No, I don't. Do you let your kids cuts in
front of you?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Hell?
Speaker 7 (17:40):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Do you let your kids cuss in front of you?
Speaker 4 (17:42):
No? But I have asked my seventeen year old when
she was younger sixty, I said.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Do you curse?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
And she was like yes, so all of you you
know I can. I just be as your brother, you're
living in a state of delusion. Watch watch, watch, because
you literally are doing the same thing your parents did
to you. You've been conditioned, and you know your kids
are doing the same thing you're doing, but for respect purposes,
you would rather not teach them. How to have a
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stronger vocabulary or teach them a reason why they cuss
or do it. You would rather just be a secret
from you and just don't do it around me. But
then you could go online and see them cussing out
people and listen, all of y'all are like, it's a
respect thing, and it's like, all we're doing is keeping
the cycle going.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
We're not changing language.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
We're not increasing vocabulary, we're not giving reasons or even
understanding reasons why they're doing it. All we're doing is
creating a barrier for them to be inauthentic around us.
And so most parents are not the people their kids
go to when they're in need because there's all of
these micro fake things that we put up around ourselves.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
So when I'm really.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Struggling, I'm not coming to you because I can't be
real because I'm pissed that these people did is and
I need to cuss to whoever I'm talking to right now,
and I can't cuss to my parents because it's disrespectful.
So I got hurt and I'm pis and I'm mad
and I can't do this, and we conditioned.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Them to do that, So all I'm saying to you
is like, it's delusional.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
We got moment, Pastor Michael to when we come back,
don't move.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
It's to breakfast club going. You think that gospel music
has gone too far? You think we've gotten you right
up through with our message. Well I got to new this, Clay.
You ain't hurt nothing yet.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
And if you don't know, now, you know, go to ride.
We better put them hands together and act like you
know opinion.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Come on.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Up in here.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I'm up.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
You can't take my short devil. You better put them
hands together and.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Have only with me.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Wanting everybody is DJ NDJ just hilarious. Charlamage, the gud
we all the practice club was still kicking it with
Pastor Michael Todd Charlamagne.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I do.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
I don't disagree with you, but I feel like we're
kind of conflicating two issues. And what I mean by
that is when my kids. When my daughter should be
eighteen next year, she curs.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
In front of me. I don't I don't care. You're
just talking about in the season that you're raising.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Absolutely, and I get it. And I also think that
I think I lost my mother point. Oh I did
lose mother point.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
It's all right, But that is the season that I
do believe the Bible says trained a child in the
way they should go, so when they get old they
won't depart from it.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It's not just what you say, though, it is what
you do. You're training them both ways.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
So if you're teaching your children or teaching anybody, hey,
you can do this, just don't do it around me.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Is that really what we're trying to teach them? Do
you know what I'm saying. I'm just teaching them that
everything that there's a season for everything. You turn eighteen,
you're an adult. Now you can have a conversation. The
other thing I was gonna say is I don't think, oh,
that's that was what I was talking about. I don't
think cursing is a barrier that keeps children from wanting
to be open with you. I think that you just
want to establish a level of trust to where they
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feel like they can talk to you about anything.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Having a curse keeps that.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I think the way that some parents act when their
kids say things they hear their parents say does create barriers.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I'm gonna just leave it at that.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
You think I counsel and work with a lot of
people that do not have healthy relationships with their parents.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
You act like this over a curse word. Imagine how
you act if I tell you I'm having.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Sex, or I'm a lesbian, or I try these drugs
or getting over over Damn, I get it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
No, I'm not talking to you.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah, And so I'm just saying from the other side
of helping a lot of people's kids who are adults
that are thirty three and thirty five and forty two
and at grave sites forgiving their parents because of how
they didn't have interaction with them. I'm just saying, like
I would, Yeah, I would do it a little different. Yeah,
I want I want to ask you Mike Path's Todd
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about this.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
They said Pat Michael Todd slammed for distracting outfit during
sermon on faith, and they said you had on what
was considered feminine preaching at type address.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I have no dress off.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
So I was gonna ad when clips of your sermons
go viral sometimes I guess for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
How do you handle being misinterpret what's feminine about that?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
You tell me, bro, it's it's black slacks, wide leg
that's in trin it's a black shirt and it's a
cropped leather top and and it's got Chelsea boots on
that are yellow.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So the truth they didn't know you had that shape.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
And the thing is, nobody said anything to me when
my belly was literally folding over my belt.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I was more holy than.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Like but but but but because I got fit and
healthy and I can wear larger medium now it's feminine.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It's the culture we live in.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Like, you know what I'm saying, Like, the truth of
the matter is to play ball at this level, there's
going to be opinions and pressure.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
How do you take people seriously with that? But they
forget your word? But I'm like that.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
The first thing I thought was I want to hear
what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Literally, I'm like, I want to go here the word.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
And again, that's part of the reason why I have critics,
and anybody that decides to do anything other than stay
in the house will have critics. And it's part of
the process that God allows me to endure to be
more like him.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I pray for all those people. Now that's the hard part.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
The hard part is seeing christ Man six sixty six
say something about me and having to be like God,
I thank you father, whatever made him post that comment
or say that I thank you that you would heal
his heart and give him the ability to have grace
and capacity for other people. Like that's hard, but that's
what the Bible tells us to do. That's like love
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your enemy, pray for them, Pray for those who despitefully
use you.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
These people don't know me. And the truth of the
matter of the reason I wore it is because my
wife told me she liked it. Yeah, like literally that morning,
my wife was like, I like that one.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
It was between this one and this one, and she's like,
I like that one. So the crazy thing is like
those are just things to distract you. And for me,
I have to stay focused and I have too much
to do in this world and to be put off
by that.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Is it wrong to be inspired by, you know, the
word of another preacher Because a lot of people write
they think if they go to church and they hear
one one person say this and preach their sermon this
way or whatever whatever, and then they go and they
see somebody else say it, then it's stealing, you know.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I'm song no, you know, if that's the case, then
we're stealing from Paul John we're stealing from David.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
We're still no. The gospel is meant to be shared.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
And the only reason that people try to corner the
market on something is because they're insecure that they'll ever
get anything else.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
The truth of the matter is that protection of like
I said it like this.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I said it like that, Like if the whole goal
is that the gospel of Jesus Christ be proclaimed so
that everybody would know about him. If you don't know
how to talk a certain way, please use my words
and tell them if that helped you help them with it,
like this is the Kingdom of God. And again, because
the Kingdom and a lot of areas has been turned
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into an organization instead of an organism, Like then people
are like, now it's my you know, my property and
my this.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
And I said it like this, and it's like yo.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I tell young preachers all the time, take my stuff,
preach it exactly, how ippreach it. We have people do
it all the time. I send people my notes like yeah,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Like this is the inspired word of God?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Like there are certain lines like if I put it
in a book and say it a certain way, and
the company I'm partnering with has a contract that it
has to be said. You can't take that. But like
my message is, and like how I said it, like
just my only thing is do it better?
Speaker 7 (26:37):
Now?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Would you like them to credit you at least?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
But I mean, how many of us wear clothes that
was inspired by somebody saw on Instagram and we don't
credit them And it's like, oh, that fit is crazy.
I'm and so yeah, like everybody wants to be recognized,
everybody wants credit. But for me, I know it's gonna
happen because of the level that God has raised my
platform too. For whatever reason, that somebody's gonna take that stuff,
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and my prayer is that it helps them the way
it helped you.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah, I saw them accuse you of taking some passive
sermon word for word.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I didn't listen to it, but I'm like, it's the word.
It's the word broke.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
And if somebody, if somebody's breaking something down in a
way that makes me understand, Like.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Y'all just said, a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Is confusing, a lot of this stuff is we gotta.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Figure it out.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
So if somebody gets a revelation or gets understanding or
it's like oh, it's like yes, copy paste, like tell
some other people.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
And this is the other thing that everybody has to remember.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
How you say it will be different because you have
different oil than them, Like there's a different thing on
your life than what they have on their life. I
think I heard Sarah Jake say it a couple days
ago that like, you can take the recipe, you can
take you can take the plans, but when we do it, because.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Different through different yes and so and so. That's oh,
she is a beast. Her and Terrey are doing an
amazing job in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
And again it's Kingdom. So I went to their installation service.
I didn't preach at my church and went there because
people need to see this is not about one thing.
This is about the Kingdom of God. And so yeah,
man I for everybody.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
PSA.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
If you hear about somebody preach something or something and
you feel like it could help your Bible study or
your youth group or your big church or little church,
you can use that man help.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
People get to Jesus. There you go. Well, let's end
this on a prayer. Father, I thank you for this day.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I thank you for the opportunity to share with my
brothers and sister I thank you for all the things
that you're doing in each of our lives and all
the lives of the listeners. Today, God, I thank you
that we all go on a journey of progression. Faith
is something that we actually know is real, but it's
something we all have to descy cover. And so I
thank you that you would allow everybody that's in this
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room and that's listening to have an experience with you
that would be undeniable. I thank you Father, as people
are getting furloughed right now and going through situations that
are literally unimaginable in America, I thank you, Father God,
that you would be peace that passes their understanding, make
ways out of no way, do things that no man
could do, Father God. With man, it's impossible, but with
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God it is possible. Today, Father God, I'm thinking that
all things are working together for the good of those
who are called and that love you and Father. If
somebody does not know you, if somebody has been far
from you, Father, thank you that your love, even through
this interview, is drawing them back home. I thank you
for transformation that happened in people's lives, and I think
you that people would get to know the way the
Truth and the life Jesus. In Jesus' name, we pray, Amen,
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appreciate y'all. Man, it's the breakfast love.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Just let my phone charge my phone, yes, Luthor Path,
Michael Todd, I didn't know that was just phone.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I just see a phone sitting and I'm like, why
was Chris Praise having me my husband faces my screen
saper Yard. I don't play with me, but I'm charging
my phone.
The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Warning everybody as DJ Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamage the God.
We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
in the building. We are Pastor Mike Todd. Welcome back brother.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
What's going on? Family? Y'all good today? How you feling?
How you doing? I feel great, man, y'all look good
in there. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Before we dive into anything, I do have a question
because the would making.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Fun of me, right, what's up?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I was speaking to a pastor and we were talking
about the celebration of Halloween, okay, and we used to
go all out as a family. We used to do
these videos and you know, make it fun and right,
just to decorate the house.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
And the pastor said, I don't know if it's a
good idea to go that far into it.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
She said, I'm not gonna tell you don't trick or treat,
but what you're doing might be a little too far.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I got you, what's your thoughts on it?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
So there's a whole bunch of different camps on this,
especially as people are actually coming out of that holiday.
My thing is, this is a season where the origins
of it are very dark, demonic.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Let's say evil.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
There are specific things though, that happen in our culture
that I believe can be redeemed. So I have little
kids that actually like dressing up, and if they dress
up not on Halloween, it's not a bad thing. It's like, oh,
look at him, he looks like a little princess or
anything like that. So what me and my family do
(01:23):
is we use this opportunity to reach people with what
we believe with faith, We use this moment to bless people,
to give to them, to actually this is a time
for people to actually meet their neighbors. Do you know
how many people live in their neighborhood and never talk
to their neighbors.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Never. Actually you drive.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
By them, you look at their Christmas light, but you
never talk to them. So we use this as a
moment to actually meet our neighbors. We invite them to church,
we bless them with the best candy, we actually talk
to them and use it because all things can actually
work together for good. I definitely think that there are
some evil things that happen in this season. Also, I
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think to the pure, all things are pure and there
is something good that can come out of every situation. Also,
at the church, we do fall festivals, and we bring
kids to the church, and we we take something that
culture uses sometime to glorify something else, and we try
to figure out a way where we can put hope, love, joy,
peace in the middle of it. And so I just
would encourage everybody to use this as a moment to
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come together and not divide.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
You know, I don't think nobody is thinking about Halloween
as something evil. It's it's a community. It's joy, like
you said, it's the giving of the candy. It's a
bonding thing with the family and the neighborhoods.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Like.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I don't think nobody's looking at.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
It like now there are some evil stuff. Come on, now,
hold on, wait, I mean, first off, all of the
why are you gonna do that?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Don't do it like that?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
And one day, and when people do this all year round,
one day of people pretending.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
No, no, no no. I think I think that the hard
movies are evil to.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I think a lot of the origins of them are
a lot of the killing, a lot of the evil spirits,
a lot of the ghost stuff, a lot of demonic activity,
the seances, the Ouiji boards.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I mean, I could go on and on and on.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I do believe that stuff is demonic and does is
spiritual from darkness.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
What about when you're playing the records about people killing
each other.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I think a lot of that is evil origin as well.
Let's be honest, you know, stop playing those records. He
grew up, he.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Celebrate a bunch of you know, a bunch of holidays.
So I got living out his little boy different. You
don't even look at it as a denom. You know,
I got you. What are you about to say?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I'm asking?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But somebody, somebody will say that it's more diving into
demonic ways and worshiping the demon's worship.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
You don't think that, You don't think. You don't think
that music does that? You worship it? Satan was in
the Minister of music. Yes, sir, do you worship it?
You worship music? Yes? I do. Actually I love it.
I believe that worship is a little different than hold on.
Hold on.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Worship is a definite bowing down to something, Okay, So
let's be let's be very clear about that. And music
is a conduit of worship. So I would encourage everybody,
whatever you're listening to, there is.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Something that can get into your heart, your.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Spirit, your mind, your soul that will make you do
things that is not what you would really want to do.
It begins to show your allegiance and to make idols
of different things. And so that's why music is so powerful.
And I will say I agree with you that the
origins of a lot of the music that is out
and that we listen to is from evil nature.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Oh completely. But that's why you have to have strong will.
If you have your own you know what I'm saying.
You got strong will, then you won't be affected.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I will say that. I will say that a strong
will will get you so far. But there are things
that are more powerful than a will. There are decisions
that you can make to partner with certain things that
are stronger than you're deciding no, I don't want to
do that.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
How many people have said.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I ain't going back to that dude and he called
you at nighttime and you end up in his bed.
Dagn hol onween.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I'm just I'm just trying to say.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
What I'm saying is how many times have we said
we're not gonna eat the donut and we're sitting there
with a box of Krispy Kremes. How many times have
we said, so strong will is not always enough. I
really believe that you have to not just have strong will,
you actually have to have disciplines, practices, things that are accountable.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Around you, because if you don't, you will end up.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I think everybody listening to, everybody in this room has
done stuff we had a strong will that we were
not gonna do. Yeah, And that's why I think that
we really have to to put our faith in something
that's stronger than our strong will and have a foundation
that will never change.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
And for me, that's Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
See Charlamagne is the type of person you know you
give up cigarettes and he'd be like, but.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
What I want to be comfortable with. So I'm not judging.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
I'm just But also to what you failed to mention
is I don't think you can. I don't think you
can do a little bit of people. So if you
think something is wrong, you can't do a little bit
of it. I got you. I'm saying, So either you're
gonna stop doing it all together or you.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I'm just not diving into the huge thing that I
used to do before and do these huge videos and.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Decorations and productions. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
If my kids wanted to dress up in Tricker Trey
with their friends. I'm cool with, but I'm not. We
gotta celebrate this. This is progression though, and not perfection.
And I think that everybody has to do that.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Because there will be the Charlotte Maynees of this world
that always try to pick out what you're not doing.
But but I need I felt that you need an
a man right there. But I feel like that that's not.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
The way that people change.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
People don't fall into their vices all of a sudden.
They fall in progressively. It's watching something, it's doing something,
it's then participating it all the time, and it's becoming it.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
No, this is all of a sudden, because on Friday
he was telling us how you forgot his costume. He's
supposed to be damned that all of a sudden, clearly
break shout.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Out everybody who celebrated Halloween.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Is what the transition is.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Production. I'm not doing the production and opening up my
house to that envious.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I am still go I still go out with my kids.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Don't let them do not let him or anybody else. Okay,
It's just this is what I'm saying, Hey, bro, The
truth of the matter is all transitions and have tension
when you're trying to make a change, especially when you
have been something else. You have to realize that people
won't understand your transition because a lot of times that
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transition is supposed to happen in the dark.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
It's supposed to happen dark. One. You have to develop
into that thing.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
And because you guys, do everything in front of everybody,
and somebody can pull up what you said last week
or last year or last month and like you not that, Hey,
forget all of that for everybody that's listening in this
room right now, then that's in here.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Progression is messy in my mind because I was thinking.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
That and again and again. What I'm gonna tell you
is progression and changing into who God has created you
to be is a messy process. And sometimes you go
back and forth. Sometimes you're trying to figure it out.
Sometimes you're trying to feel what's real to you and
what you actually have to do.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
We got more with pastor Michael Todd.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
When we come back.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
It's the Breakfast Club, Good morning, if this world month, Hey.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Seven days, if this rod is in mine not taking
James and Meg Humbosapi, if this row is mine. Not
taking hand amazing fron do something to that like hit
do strictly with it. I fine fine five five five
fine five Hey roma now seven bay drap it like
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it's hot. If this world was mine, I take it.
Jason May norms a file if this world was mine?
Not taking in the amise in front of the die,
and she'll do something to that light get too prictly
with the fire. It's abot to your dance. Let a
watch your fan he a fly, there's just one of
the cool by yacht.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Nah, it's swell com peef.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I was g a day.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
She don't thrown what she knows guess getting puppings on
the low.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Then the days come in for shure.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
If it was up on.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Man, give it nobody's new supper. I'll take your way
to pad.
Speaker 7 (09:49):
I give you every bad.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I just want to watch get this world email morning.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Everybody is d J in a pure that's Hilarius Charlamage,
the guy we all the breakfast club is still kicking
it with Pastor Michael Todd.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Charlamagne, you're one of the few pastors who really speak
the language of culture right with the line between relevance.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And reverence for you. Yeah, so the line is at
the conviction.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I really have a relationship with God where he will
correct me and convict me. And I have a relationship
with people who have the sit down and shut up
card in my life and most people, when they get
to certain levels, nobody can tell them nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
But I have a wife.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Shout out to my wife, Natalie, who is the greatest
gift that God ever gave me. I met my wife
when I was fifteen years old and we've been together
for twenty three years, married fifteen, four kids later, and
she's the only woman that sees me fully. And when
I say fully, she sees my insecurity, she sees my fault,
she sees my lax she sees my successes. And God
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gave her to me to be a mirror. She don't
care about none of this. She don't care about anything.
She cares that I am a man of God and
I do what I say. And so first off, if
I'm coming home laying next to that every night, that's
that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Hey, Mike, that was too far for real. Hey, you
shouldn't have said that.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Oh dang, I thought that, Like so I people like
that in my life and that's just she's the main one,
but I have several others, and so I approach everything
with reverence. I think that sometimes people get confused though,
the the way people present something with being irreverent just
because it's different. And one of the things that I
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know for me is like I would be this way
if I was an Amazon truck driver.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I would like close, I would I would I would.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Listen to music, I would do different like And God
doesn't bless who you pretend to be.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
He blesses who you really are.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
And so for me, it's like God's changed me every
part of my life throughout this journe and He's continuing
to change me. That's why I leader church called Transformation Church.
I will not be the same this time next year,
something in me will have changed, and perfectly.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Something in you would have changed.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
And that's why a lot of time we take snapshots
of people in their life and we keep them there.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
But please make sure you running a.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Movie on me, because I'm going to keep changing you.
I mean, three years ago, I was two hundred and
seventy five pounds, Saplin, I am not playing with you, Jess.
I'll give you full up a picture you chahundred and
seventy five pounds.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I was hiding it in him three.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
X four x supreme. I was, I was flying. You
couldn't tell me. But then God convicted me. He said,
how you gonna tell these people to live right and
you are going to commit sin every day with your fork?
Nobody talks about that was me because the truth of
the matter is I was sinning, not with a woman.
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I was sinning with a donut. And every.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Hey, listen, I'm telling you. I'm telling you. It's funny.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
But the truth of the matter is people are out
here judging other people for lying and committing adultery, and
they's doing it all while committing sin. Like food was
meant for us to be nourished to fulfill God's plan,
not to become something to give us peace when we
need to go to Him for peace. And so again
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that conviction came to me, and God was like, I
don't want you to say nothing until you get your
life in order. And so I turned my garage into
a gym. I heard a part personal trainer. Me and
my wife work out every day together, and I've lost
sixty pounds.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
My wife finding and she'd ever been in her whole life.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
God, I thank you, And what I'm saying is, but
it came because I got convicted, like and so and again.
We all miss the mark. Everybody misses the mark and
falls of the glory of God. But we all got
to keep trying.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yes, I was two seventy five.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
That's okay, that's crazy, that's crazy. Yeah, but yeah, and
I'm not like like, yeah, it was under it was
under there.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
But he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
God doesn't bless who you pretend to be. He blessing
who you really are. I do not cuz though, but
but he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
But you don't smoke, you don't drink. So what are
you going over there for? Hey, listen, don't judge her. Listen,
you can cuss around me. Thank you. You're still sitting
Why I'm gonna tell your mama why? What would your
mama say?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
This is religion, the same thing you said, but speaking
this is religion. What's happening right now is religion. Religion
says that I'm doing something because of who's around. I'm
doing something because of how it makes me look. I'm
doing something because of how I want you to view me.
If that's not who you really are.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
It can never change.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And so for me, I tell people all the time,
if you cuss, cuss around me, something in me, though.
My prayer is we spend enough time together would allow
you to see that that's not the type of language
that you have to use to get.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Your point across.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
But if that's what you too, I would still rather
be connected to you and have access to you and
love you and be able to be an answer to
your problems then to be disconnected because you cuss.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I draw the line, I don't do that. Don't do
that around me, some stiff you can't do around me.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I mean, there are tons of things you can't do
around me, just for the reasons of what I'm trying
to listen. But the truth of the matter is sometimes
we use those things and we act like that's a
God thing and it's actually your personal thing. Like stop
putting everything on God and say like I don't like
when you cuss around me, Like hey, but.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Certainly it's a respect though, Like around your mama, some
people do depending on who your mama is.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
And what I'm saying is if you don't do it
around your mama, but you do it around everybody else,
you're a faker, and what happens. But what I'm saying
is you're disintegrated. You are learning and practicing being different people,
and there are too many people why depression is on
high while people are dealing with anxiety because they forget
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who they have to show up as. So every room
I walk into, I show up as myself. I don't
have to change. I live a whole life. Most people,
depending on who watching, the bishop walks in, the CEO
walks in, a celebrity walks in, they are trying to
figure out who do I need to be right now?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So if you curse in front of your friend, you
should curse from of your mama or your figure. Yes,
well this is the thing, this is the thing with
my but yes, so.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
The truth of the matter is because there's a reason
why she didn't want you to talk like that, and
you're choosing to go beyond that because I'm gonna live
my own life.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It's your own personal convictions.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I'm just saying that I'd rather you be the same
way so that God could actually change you instead of
him having to find which version of.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You you going to be today.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
The conditioning our conviction and what I mean by that
is has just said we're all conditioned to not talk
like that in front of all parents for the most part. Right,
So with conditioning our conviction because I don't care in
front of my mom just because I know she ain't
going for it.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Right again, I.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Think it could actually be the it's conditioning, like you
know that, especially in the black household, Like there are
certain things you don't do here, but wait till y'all
kids start doing it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Do you let your kids cuss in front of you?
Speaker 7 (17:34):
God?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Damn?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I mean, oh my god, not you? What do you say?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
No, I don't. Do you let your kids cuts in
front of you?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Hell?
Speaker 7 (17:40):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Do you let your kids cuss in front of you?
Speaker 4 (17:42):
No? But I have asked my seventeen year old when
she was younger sixty, I said.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Do you curse?
Speaker 3 (17:46):
And she was like yes, so all of you you
know I can. I just be as your brother, you're
living in a state of delusion. Watch watch, watch, because
you literally are doing the same thing your parents did
to you. You've been conditioned, and you know your kids
are doing the same thing you're doing, but for respect purposes,
you would rather not teach them. How to have a
(18:09):
stronger vocabulary or teach them a reason why they cuss
or do it. You would rather just be a secret
from you and just don't do it around me. But
then you could go online and see them cussing out
people and listen, all of y'all are like, it's a
respect thing, and it's like, all we're doing is keeping
the cycle going.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
We're not changing language.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
We're not increasing vocabulary, we're not giving reasons or even
understanding reasons why they're doing it. All we're doing is
creating a barrier for them to be inauthentic around us.
And so most parents are not the people their kids
go to when they're in need because there's all of
these micro fake things that we put up around ourselves.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
So when I'm really.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Struggling, I'm not coming to you because I can't be
real because I'm pissed that these people did is and
I need to cuss to whoever I'm talking to right now,
and I can't cuss to my parents because it's disrespectful.
So I got hurt and I'm pis and I'm mad
and I can't do this, and we conditioned.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Them to do that, So all I'm saying to you
is like, it's delusional.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
We got moment, Pastor Michael to when we come back,
don't move.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
It's to breakfast club going. You think that gospel music
has gone too far? You think we've gotten you right
up through with our message. Well I got to new this, Clay.
You ain't hurt nothing yet.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
And if you don't know, now, you know, go to ride.
We better put them hands together and act like you
know opinion.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Come on.
Speaker 7 (19:49):
Up in here.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
I'm up.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
You can't take my short devil. You better put them
hands together and.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Have only with me.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Wanting everybody is DJ NDJ just hilarious. Charlamage, the gud
we all the practice club was still kicking it with
Pastor Michael Todd Charlamagne.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
I do.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
I don't disagree with you, but I feel like we're
kind of conflicating two issues. And what I mean by
that is when my kids. When my daughter should be
eighteen next year, she curs.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
In front of me. I don't I don't care. You're
just talking about in the season that you're raising.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Absolutely, and I get it. And I also think that
I think I lost my mother point. Oh I did
lose mother point.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
It's all right, But that is the season that I
do believe the Bible says trained a child in the
way they should go, so when they get old they
won't depart from it.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It's not just what you say, though, it is what
you do. You're training them both ways.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
So if you're teaching your children or teaching anybody, hey,
you can do this, just don't do it around me.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Is that really what we're trying to teach them? Do
you know what I'm saying. I'm just teaching them that
everything that there's a season for everything. You turn eighteen,
you're an adult. Now you can have a conversation. The
other thing I was gonna say is I don't think, oh,
that's that was what I was talking about. I don't
think cursing is a barrier that keeps children from wanting
to be open with you. I think that you just
want to establish a level of trust to where they
(21:34):
feel like they can talk to you about anything.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Having a curse keeps that.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I think the way that some parents act when their
kids say things they hear their parents say does create barriers.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I'm gonna just leave it at that.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
You think I counsel and work with a lot of
people that do not have healthy relationships with their parents.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
You act like this over a curse word. Imagine how
you act if I tell you I'm having.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Sex, or I'm a lesbian, or I try these drugs
or getting over over Damn, I get it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
No, I'm not talking to you.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah, And so I'm just saying from the other side
of helping a lot of people's kids who are adults
that are thirty three and thirty five and forty two
and at grave sites forgiving their parents because of how
they didn't have interaction with them. I'm just saying, like
I would, Yeah, I would do it a little different. Yeah,
I want I want to ask you Mike Path's Todd
(22:27):
about this.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
They said Pat Michael Todd slammed for distracting outfit during
sermon on faith, and they said you had on what
was considered feminine preaching at type address.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I have no dress off.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
So I was gonna ad when clips of your sermons
go viral sometimes I guess for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
How do you handle being misinterpret what's feminine about that?
Speaker 3 (22:49):
You tell me, bro, it's it's black slacks, wide leg
that's in trin it's a black shirt and it's a
cropped leather top and and it's got Chelsea boots on
that are yellow.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So the truth they didn't know you had that shape.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
And the thing is, nobody said anything to me when
my belly was literally folding over my belt.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I was more holy than.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Like but but but but because I got fit and
healthy and I can wear larger medium now it's feminine.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It's the culture we live in.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Like, you know what I'm saying, Like, the truth of
the matter is to play ball at this level, there's
going to be opinions and pressure.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
How do you take people seriously with that? But they
forget your word? But I'm like that.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
The first thing I thought was I want to hear
what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Literally, I'm like, I want to go here the word.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
And again, that's part of the reason why I have critics,
and anybody that decides to do anything other than stay
in the house will have critics. And it's part of
the process that God allows me to endure to be
more like him.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I pray for all those people. Now that's the hard part.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
The hard part is seeing christ Man six sixty six
say something about me and having to be like God,
I thank you father, whatever made him post that comment
or say that I thank you that you would heal
his heart and give him the ability to have grace
and capacity for other people. Like that's hard, but that's
what the Bible tells us to do. That's like love
(24:32):
your enemy, pray for them, Pray for those who despitefully
use you.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
These people don't know me. And the truth of the
matter of the reason I wore it is because my
wife told me she liked it. Yeah, like literally that morning,
my wife was like, I like that one.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
It was between this one and this one, and she's like,
I like that one. So the crazy thing is like
those are just things to distract you. And for me,
I have to stay focused and I have too much
to do in this world and to be put off
by that.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Is it wrong to be inspired by, you know, the
word of another preacher Because a lot of people write
they think if they go to church and they hear
one one person say this and preach their sermon this
way or whatever whatever, and then they go and they
see somebody else say it, then it's stealing, you know.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
I'm song no, you know, if that's the case, then
we're stealing from Paul John we're stealing from David.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
We're still no. The gospel is meant to be shared.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
And the only reason that people try to corner the
market on something is because they're insecure that they'll ever
get anything else.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
The truth of the matter is that protection of like
I said it like this.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I said it like that, Like if the whole goal
is that the gospel of Jesus Christ be proclaimed so
that everybody would know about him. If you don't know
how to talk a certain way, please use my words
and tell them if that helped you help them with it,
like this is the Kingdom of God. And again, because
the Kingdom and a lot of areas has been turned
(25:57):
into an organization instead of an organism, Like then people
are like, now it's my you know, my property and
my this.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
And I said it like this, and it's like yo.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I tell young preachers all the time, take my stuff,
preach it exactly, how ippreach it. We have people do
it all the time. I send people my notes like yeah,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Like this is the inspired word of God?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Like there are certain lines like if I put it
in a book and say it a certain way, and
the company I'm partnering with has a contract that it
has to be said. You can't take that. But like
my message is, and like how I said it, like
just my only thing is do it better?
Speaker 7 (26:37):
Now?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Would you like them to credit you at least?
Speaker 3 (26:42):
But I mean, how many of us wear clothes that
was inspired by somebody saw on Instagram and we don't
credit them And it's like, oh, that fit is crazy.
I'm and so yeah, like everybody wants to be recognized,
everybody wants credit. But for me, I know it's gonna
happen because of the level that God has raised my
platform too. For whatever reason, that somebody's gonna take that stuff,
(27:04):
and my prayer is that it helps them the way
it helped you.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah, I saw them accuse you of taking some passive
sermon word for word.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I didn't listen to it, but I'm like, it's the word.
It's the word broke.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
And if somebody, if somebody's breaking something down in a
way that makes me understand, Like.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Y'all just said, a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Is confusing, a lot of this stuff is we gotta.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Figure it out.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
So if somebody gets a revelation or gets understanding or
it's like oh, it's like yes, copy paste, like tell
some other people.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
And this is the other thing that everybody has to remember.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
How you say it will be different because you have
different oil than them, Like there's a different thing on
your life than what they have on their life. I
think I heard Sarah Jake say it a couple days
ago that like, you can take the recipe, you can
take you can take the plans, but when we do it, because.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Different through different yes and so and so. That's oh,
she is a beast. Her and Terrey are doing an
amazing job in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
And again it's Kingdom. So I went to their installation service.
I didn't preach at my church and went there because
people need to see this is not about one thing.
This is about the Kingdom of God. And so yeah,
man I for everybody.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
PSA.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
If you hear about somebody preach something or something and
you feel like it could help your Bible study or
your youth group or your big church or little church,
you can use that man help.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
People get to Jesus. There you go. Well, let's end
this on a prayer. Father, I thank you for this day.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I thank you for the opportunity to share with my
brothers and sister I thank you for all the things
that you're doing in each of our lives and all
the lives of the listeners. Today, God, I thank you
that we all go on a journey of progression. Faith
is something that we actually know is real, but it's
something we all have to descy cover. And so I
thank you that you would allow everybody that's in this
(29:03):
room and that's listening to have an experience with you
that would be undeniable. I thank you Father, as people
are getting furloughed right now and going through situations that
are literally unimaginable in America, I thank you, Father God,
that you would be peace that passes their understanding, make
ways out of no way, do things that no man
could do, Father God. With man, it's impossible, but with
(29:24):
God it is possible. Today, Father God, I'm thinking that
all things are working together for the good of those
who are called and that love you and Father. If
somebody does not know you, if somebody has been far
from you, Father, thank you that your love, even through
this interview, is drawing them back home. I thank you
for transformation that happened in people's lives, and I think
you that people would get to know the way the
Truth and the life Jesus. In Jesus' name, we pray, Amen,
(29:48):
appreciate y'all. Man, it's the breakfast love.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Just let my phone charge my phone, yes, Luthor Path,
Michael Todd, I didn't know that was just phone.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I just see a phone sitting and I'm like, why
was Chris Praise having me my husband faces my screen
saper Yard. I don't play with me, but I'm charging
my phone.
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