Amber Arrington; Dr. Robert Melillo; Olivia Ferney; Traci Andreason; Carly Hartwig

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It's a misunderstood profile on the autism spectrum and why
everyday demands can feel neurologically overwhelming for some children. Joining

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educator and advocate whose work is grounded in lived experience
and practical strategies for families navigating PDA. We're also joined
by our co contributor, doctor Robert Milillo, clinician, researcher, and
internationally recognized expert in childhood neurological development. Stay tuned for
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Welcome back, beautiful Dry State area. You're listening to a
moment of zen right here on seven to ten war
the voice of nerk iHeartRadio and beyond. Welcome to the
Brain Blueprint segment. Today, we're leaning into a topic that
is profoundly misunderstood and deeply emotional for countless families. Pathological
demand avoidance, or PDA. It's a profile within the autism

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spectrum that often goes unrecognized for years. Children who experience
everyday demands brushing teeth, getting dressed, transitioning tasks as neurological
threat signals rather than simple requests. Now, for those families,
everyday life can feel like an unpredictable battlefield of anxiety,
overwhelm and misunderstood behaviors. Our co contributor is doctor Robert Milillo.

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He's a clinician, a researcher, author, and world renowned expert
in childhood neurological disorders. We have our incredible guest today,
Amber Arrington. We are honored to welcome someone whose voice
is transforming the way families understand PDA. Amber is the
founder of Autism Savvy and she's a mom of four
autistic children aged five, six, eighteen, and twenty one. She

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specializes in helping parents identify PDA early and teaches them
her signature approach to speaking fluent PDA a communication framework
that rebuilds calm, connection, and confidence inside homes that often
feel overwhelmed or misunderstood. Her work blends lived experience, practical tools,
and emotional truth. So many parents carry quietly and you

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can of course find her directly on platforms at Autism
Savvy Amber and doctor Milillo. Welcome to the show, superstars,
Happy to be here. Sit okay, Amber, I'm going to
kick off with you. So before we bring the neuroscience
into focus with doctor Mililo, I want to ground this
in what parents feel long before they have a diagnosis.
So PDA is often misinterpreted as defiance or behavioral issues,

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when in reality it's a profoundly different internal experience for
the child. Now, in your own words and through your
lived experience, what is pathological demand avoidance in the simplest terms,
and how does it tend to present in a child's
daily life?

Speaker 5 (06:30):
I would say that PDA is an elevated nervous system
response to everyday demands. And the thing is, these kids
are going to look very different from what they expect
autism to look like, because they are going to probably
be very verbal, extremely social, They're going to be very intelligent,
and yet they might still completely shut down if there's

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a request made to them as simple as get on
your shoes. And when that happens, it's not defiance, it's
their brain going into fight or flight because that demand
feels to them as if a lion is chasing them.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Now, doctor Mililo, I want to kind of bridge this
into the neurobiology of what ambrid just described.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Do you want to take it away there?

Speaker 7 (07:14):
Yeah, well, let's you know, for me, I'm always trying
to talk and describe it in neurological neuroscience terms. So
you know, when you talk about fight or flight, one
of the things that you know, we've done research on
has shown that these children are in a sympathetically dominant state,
so you know, the sympathetic parasympathetic system. And because of
immaturity and because of other developmental issues, they are literally

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in a constant fight or flight state. And we see
this because their heart rate is higher than it should be,
which tells us that that balance is improper. And you know,
I have some other ideas about what's happening in the brain.
But I'd love with your experience if you look at
it and think about what do you think is happening
in the brain neurologically or from a neuroscience perspective. Do

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you have any thoughts on that? And you know, what
do you think is going on?

Speaker 5 (08:04):
Sure, from my perspective, when a PDA child hears a demand,
their brain isn't registering it as just a simple request
like we would respond to something.

Speaker 8 (08:13):
It feels to them like a loss of control.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
And so it's like if we're sitting in the passenger
seat of a car and the driver just slams on
their brakes. That feeling that we get to me, that's
an example of how they're feeling and what they're experiencing
all day long.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Every day.

Speaker 5 (08:28):
So that's that fight that flight, but also freeze and
fawn and so it's their nervous system saying danger even
when things are safe.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (08:36):
You know when one of the things I've you know,
done research in and written papers are is that you know,
especially with children that are very verbal on the autism spectrum,
you know, their left hemis for your skills are exceptional.
They're brilliant, but their right hemis for your nonverbal communication
is really deficient, and they don't hear the subtle things
like crosotic variation in the tone. I had this experience

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with him in like this many years ago where I
asked him a question he was going to work, and
I said to him, you're going to work now, and
he looked at me and he went, I am And
I said, wow, well that was a weird response. And
then I realized, if you don't hear me say you're
going to work now, like just a tone, and you

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just hear it through the words, it's your going to
work now, it was a command to him, and he
completely misinterpreted it as you know, you're telling me to
do something, you know what I mean. So I think
a lot of it may have to do with that
that they don't understand it's a request and they're looking
at maybe as a command. And they also, you know,

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they don't like to transition to new things because that
left brain loves familiarity and it likes doing the same thing.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Over and over exactly.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
That scientific framing is so important because it removes blame
from the child or the person and the parent right,
because it's that right brain responding to perceived threat, not
a behavioral choice, which is the fundamentals of this. It's
not a choice right now. Amber, One of the ways
you support families is by translating these neurological and behavioral

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patterns into real life, recognizable moments. I mean, it helps
parents say, oh, that's what I'm seeing. So can you
share a specific example of a moment in your home
when a simple everyday request became overwhelming for your child
and what was that escalation looking like on both sides?

Speaker 5 (10:27):
Okay, sure, So recently I took my two little autistic
girls to an indoor play place and we arrived about
ten am, and I realized in that moment that my
littlest one, who has the PDA profile, she had not
used the restroom since before bed the night before, so
it had been well over twelve hours. I started to

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feel anxiety because I know she needs to go potty,
but from what I know about her is that the
mere suggestion of hey, do you need to go potty
or it's time to go potty would trigger a meltdown
or total refusal. And so that's just an everyday life example.

Speaker 8 (11:04):
I just have to like lean.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
Into my own mental toolkit of strategies that I use
to try to get her to accomplish that thing that
I know she needs to do while she gets to
remain autonomous about how and when it happens.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Wow, I mean that's that's thank you for your vulnerability
in sharing that, because I think these moments are the
ones parents feel the most isolated in, and even hearing them,
you know, spoken out loud, brings a lot of validation.
Something as simple as going body.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
Absolutely, And it's those type of little things that can
really just trick them up and trick us up as
parents when we don't know what we're dealing with.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, and this is now I'm going to lean to
doctor Milillo. Can you help distinguish PDA from things like
general anxiety or oppositionality?

Speaker 7 (11:49):
Doctor Mililo, general anxiety To me, when we talk about anxiety,
it's more of a right brain dominant thing. Has a
lot to do with a sense of danger. It has
a lot to do with fear or social anxiety or embarrassment,
whereas this is more a sense of control. I think
it's it's you know, not wanting to give up control,
not wanting to you know, do something, and that left

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brain is very, very controlling, you know when it comes
to that. And we have some kids that literally say
that that what's happening? We ask them, you know, and
some of these kids are spellers. And I don't know
if Amber, if you also work with nonverbal kids that
have you know, this type of stuff too, because they
can also get you know, really resistant and aggressive at times.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Now, Amber, you've created a language and a strategy set
that truly changes the dynamic and PDA homes and it
aligns beautifully with what neuroscience tells us about coregulation and
the threat perception system.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Can you walk us.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Through what speaking fluent PDA actually look like. I mean,
how to shifting the language, the tone, or the structure
of a demand create immediate regulation for these children.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
So it might be a bit different than you might
think by the way it's it sounds speaking fluent PDA.
What that means to me is I'm really talking about
how we regulate ourselves as the parent first, because when
we can understand what's really going on between a PDA
child's brain and body, what's really happening, then we can
see it through a different lens, Right we can have

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compassion for them instead of frustration that they're not behaving
the way that we wish that they were. And so
when we can see it that way, then we stay grounded.
And a lot of times it's that these PDA kids
need to borrow a safe nervous system, and we can
be that for them. So when we stay calm and
we stay curious and connected, then their bodies can keep
feeling safe. So when I'm saying speaking fluent PDA, I think.

Speaker 8 (13:40):
That's more what I really mean.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
It's also about fluently understanding the nuances of their behavior
such that supporting them becomes second nature.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
It's really extraordinary how much gets stabilized when the approach shifts.
In hearing you speak, I mean not the expectations with
the delivery and the emotional scaffolding, and parents need to
hear that this is not about lowering the bar, it's
about lowering the threat. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
I like the way you put that.

Speaker 7 (14:05):
Okay, Amber, I'm really interested and I want to know,
you know, how do parents manage this? What are some
of the things or strategies that you may teach parents
to help them with a child that maybe having pathological
demand avoidance.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
Okay, So one of the most helpful approaches that I
see parents using in this space for pathologically demand avoidant children,
myself included, would be this low demand parenting approach, which
to me, it simply means we let go of as
much as we can, as often as we can, and
by doing this, we're reducing unnecessary pressure. Because, like, think

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about how much unnecessary pressure we put on our.

Speaker 8 (14:43):
Kids as parents.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
So when we can reduce that pressure, then their nervous
system can you know, stay settled and feel safe. I
think that's really important. I also think it's important to
essentially stop trying to be the boss of my kid
all the time. I can remain the leader, but instead
like collaborate and partner with them to get things done.
So I'm really strategic about how I craft every scenario

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that my daughter is walking into to allow her to
be able to remain equal and autonomous in that moment
so that her nervous system.

Speaker 9 (15:14):
Can stay safe.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
And the idea with these kinds of strategies is just
that over time, when we support our kids in this way,
they can stay more regulated and get more resilient because
we support them in their felt safety.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, well, Amber, I thank you for coming on and
doctor Mililo, you are amazing. I always love these segments.
I mean, Amber, your lived experience and your wisdom and
your powerful voice are priceless.

Speaker 8 (15:38):
Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 7 (15:40):
Yes, thank you, Ambri, You've been great, wonderful.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
You can learn more from Amber at autismsavvy dot com.
That's savvy, and you can find her on social media
on the Gram at Autism Savvy, And of course you
can explore doctor Robert Milo's neuroscience work at doctor robertmlilo
dot com and also find him on the Gram at
doctor Robert Mililo.

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Welcome back, beautiful Tri State area. You're listening to a
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back to the Elevated Experiences segment brought to you by
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believe life is meant to be experienced at altitude.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
Today's show takes us.

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Into a world that is equal parts glamorous, unpredictable, and,
let's be honest, absolutely addictive.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
To watch.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
A world where a simple text message can turn into
a five figure helicopter rescue, where every hour counts, and
where expectations aren't just high, they're stratospheric. And at the
center of this universe is a woman The New York
Times described as the viral concierge decoding the psychology of
the ultra wealthy traveler. You know her as the creator

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behind Travel with Livy across all platforms, where her rich people.
Problem storytelling has racked up millions of views and endless fascinations.
Her life is the perfect blend of crisis management, luxury logistics,
and cinematic storytelling. Olivia Fernie has become the blueprint for
what modern luxury travel concierge work looks like. Olivia, Welcome

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to the show, Superstar.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Hi, thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Oh my goodness, I'm so excited to talk to you
because you're They make me laugh, and they also make
me want to share them because they're so ridiculously far
fetched but rooted a truth that people just can't conceive
that this is even a request. So in the New
York Time article and in your viral clips, you share
these stories that feel more like scenes from Succession.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Than real life.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
What was the first request where you thought, Okay, this
isn't travel planning, this is a different universe entirely.

Speaker 9 (18:29):
I mean, when I got into this job, it was
very apparent, very quickly. Kind of the insanity that I
was going to be dealing with.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Something that I.

Speaker 9 (18:37):
Dealt with very early on was in the stratosphere of food.
And you would not believe the kind of things that
I deal with when it comes to food. I have
vegans that decide that they want to eat only meat,
like halfway through their megayacht trip, and they need me
to literally helicopter certain cuts of meat out. I have
people that are allergic to certain fruits and vegetables from
certain countries, and they never tell me until we get there.

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So many different pieces of moving there's so many different
moving parts when it comes to what I do. And
I would say that was the craziest one that I
had right in the beginning was limes. I had a
woman that was allergic to limes from different countries, and immediately,
like my brain just was like, what is wrong with
this person. I don't understand how this is a real thing.
This is just not possible. But you know, in my

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position is my job not to judge, it's to execute.
So when a client needs a lime from somewhere else
because the provisionals at a certain resort don't have those limes,
I gotta get it done. I need to go to
a farmer's market local or have a lime flown in
so that she can have the right margaritas. But now
I'm so numb to it. I deal with all sorts
of requests, all the time. So I'm I'm not shocked

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these days.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
That's incredible.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
And what I love is that your normal is everyone
else's jaw dropping moment. I mean, you truly operate in
an alternate dimension of travel without a doubt. Now, I
want to pivot to the network behind the magic. So
for you to even attempt these wild requests from last
minute yacht charters, to sourcing obscure items like lines, or

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to securing villas that aren't even listed publicly, you must
have a global network.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
That's just unreal.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
So can you walk us through what that network actually
looks like? I mean, who are the people or partners
who make impossible possible? And how fast can you mobilize them.

Speaker 8 (20:24):
When the clock is sticking?

Speaker 9 (20:25):
Great question. I mean, I consider myself to be a
part of the Avengers of luxury travel. I don't pretend
like this is just me myself and I I have
an amazing team here. But I also like I, as
a luxury travel agent, need to get stuff done at
the drop of a hat, at any point in time
and at all hours of the day. As we know,
there's time differences around the world, and I can't stay

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up twenty four hours a day. So it really is
important that I have connections with people on the ground.
You know, I can't pretend like I've got a connection
with a Nona in Italy who's going to get me
the best reservation at the hardest to get spot with
the old grandmother cooking this incredible Italian pasta that nobody
knows about. Right, if I have a client that needs
something at this crazy spot that's hard to get into,

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or a spot that nobody knows about, I need people
on the ground that just like understand the lay of
the land. So that so what I spend three hundred
and sixty five days a year doing. I'm flying everywhere,
I'm shaking hands with people, and I'm getting to know
the communities so that I can make the impossible happen.
So yeah, I realize you consider it like a very
wide net of connections, but I have the best rock
stars in the best places in the world.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
It really shows that luxury isn't just about money, right,
It's about access and your network.

Speaker 9 (21:33):
Is trust everything. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
Now, when family dynamics enter the chat.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Okay, So, one of the stories referenced publicly was about
a young client wanting to rent an entire branch of
palm JUOMERI right, essentially as a reaction to family tension
from what I understood. So in situations like that, you're
not just a concierge, You're almost a mediator. I mean,
how do you manage these emotionally charged requests? Have you

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ever had to balance conflicting family expectations or navigate a
request that put you in the crosshairs of a family dynamic?

Speaker 9 (22:07):
Absolutely? I deal with it every day. I have so
many amazing families that I work with, and for me,
I don't know what it is, but there's some joy
and satisfaction I get out of kind of managing those relationships.
I think sometimes in families, and you know, everybody has
family issues, no matter how wealthy or not wealthy you are.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
You know, these.

Speaker 9 (22:28):
Families sometimes need a little guidance. And I consider myself
a very calm person. So sometimes if a father and
a daughter have a disagreement on something and it's simply
just a communication error, I love being able to get
involved so that I can kind of lessen the blow
on both sides because sometimes we just come in hot.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, you're managing travel, but sometimes you're managing heartbreak and
frustration and ego all combined in one.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
So kudos to you, my dear, you have your work
cut out for you. I thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
So the New York City effect you've mentioned living in
New York, and The Times even hints at your unshakable calm.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
That's not a New York fit.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
So do you feel that the New York City lifestyle,
the pace, the pressure of the immediacy, has shaped how
you respond to chaos? I mean, is your calm something
you had to develop or is it simply who you
are at your core?

Speaker 9 (23:17):
I think it's something I am at my core. New
York is insane. I honestly don't consider myself like a
citizen of any city. I am traveling all the time,
like eight to nine months of the year, I'm somewhere,
so I would I would say I do spend quite
a bit of time in New York. But New York
still stresses me out. I mean, I feel like I'm
gonna get hit by a bike every time I leave
that house, so it's a crazy spot. It definitely doesn't

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help my commness down there. I love the city, but
I think it's an innate thing for me.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, that's the New York superpower, right, unbothered resilience, and
you really embodied that. So do the ultra rich know
what they want? Or are they proving that they can
get it? So many of the wild many of the
wildest requests you've shared, imported vegan lemons and limes and.

Speaker 10 (24:05):
Tire spas, cleared out special access helipads, or urgently securing
yachts just because do these requests come from genuine needs
or is it.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Some sort or is it some of it symbolic like
a flex a statement of power. What's really driving the
psychology of the ultra wealthy traveler?

Speaker 9 (24:24):
You know, I think it's a mix. It really depends
on every single individual because all of us are so different.
You know, I think that some people see my Instagram
and we've gotten so many amazing clients that have come
from that. But I've also had, you know, some difficult
clients that we just haven't been able to work with
because they'll see some requests and think that they're allowed
to come in and use and abuse the relationship. You know,

(24:45):
it's a two way streak. This relationship takes a lot
of respect and trust on both ends. I know, what
I'm doing. I'm very good at what I'm doing, and
you need to trust that I can do that. So
when somebody comes in we have no relationship and they're
yelling and screaming and swearing, those things get in my
head a little bit. They're just requesting things that are
simply not possible or borderline illegal. I can't get those
things done, So I think it kind of depends. At

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the end of the day, everybody is trying to do
stuff that other people haven't done. Experiences are on like
the growth stream right now, like crazy, so things are
definitely changing. But it has been interesting to see how
requests have changed a little bit due to the social
media stuff.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
I see a book in the future for you. If
you haven't, if.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
You haven't thought of authoring one, you definitely should. I
mean just your insight, your the way that you are
handling your accounts, and the ability to keep growing, I
mean building these mega empires for yourself and really having
this at the palm of your you know, of your
hands and at your fingertips is quite extraordinary to see

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at such a young age.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
You're truly very accomplished.

Speaker 9 (25:50):
Thank you. I really appreciate that.

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Welcome back, beautiful Try State Area. You're listening to a
moment of Zen right here on seven to ten wor
the voice of New York iHeartRadio. I'm your host, zen
Zam's Welcome back to a Going Deep segment brought to
you by Co two Lift. Today, we're joined by Tracy Andreasen,
a Board certified nurse practitioner and the founder of Rise
Rejuvenation Center, which is a leading medical aesthetics and wellness

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clinic in Utah. With a reputation for empowerment, clinical precision,
and a strong commitment to education. She's become a trusted
voice in the aesthetic industry, where she's a national speaker
and clinical trainer. She's also the author of Color Me Injected,
a detailed anatomy manual designed specifically for esthetic injectors, and

(27:32):
the founder of the Utah Injectors Association. She's going to
join me today to chat about redefining beauty through education, empowerment,
and holistic care. From natural results and intimate wellness to
creating a culture of confidence inside and out.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Welcome to the show, Superstar.

Speaker 8 (27:48):
Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
So excited to have you on.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
So said, he showed that more than eighty percent of
esthetic complications arise from procedures performed by undertrained injectors or
non medical providers. Right, you have built something extremely rare
a space that emerges artistry with anatomy and mentorship with medicine.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
I love what you're doing, so I'm going.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
To dive right in between RISE Rejuvenation Center, Utah's Injectors Association,
and your manual Color Me Injected. You built a little
ecosystem or a big ecosystem of beauty and empowerment and
more importantly educate education. So what inspired you to create
this kind of space and more importantly platform and focus

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not just on service and treatment, but also the fact
that you emphasize the importance of continual education.

Speaker 8 (28:36):
Well that's a great question, and thank you so much
for your perspective. I think that's amazing. It's a good
look into the METSPOS space for sure. That's part of
the reason, honestly why I started Rise because I felt
like a lot of the METSPOT spaces were just book
your treatment, get your treatment, leave, and I felt like
one we could be doing better with empowerment, making people
feel better about themselves without having had done anything to them,

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where they just feel empowered by just meeting with us.
So I really love to listen and learn from my
patients and then validate and educate. I think education changes
everything from you know, when we have a client perspective,
it just builds confidence and trust with their provider. But
I also love teaching in general, like teaching colleagues and
teaching my team, and I just believe that when people

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understand the why, like the concepts behind everything we're doing,
they are better providers, They're better connected to the care
and the results are just always better when we are
like diving deep into what we're doing, why we're doing it,
how we should be doing it, and just staying up
to date in general.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, that's such an incredible foundation because it's really clear
your mission goes far beyond aesthetics, because what you're doing
is you're cultivating safety and confidence and professional excellence all
at once, and I think not everyone is doing that.

Speaker 8 (29:50):
Yeah, that's a hard balance to strike for sure.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
For sure, now you've also become synonymous with natural beauty,
and that's exactly what today's patients are asking for. According
to to this year's Allergan Esthetic Global Consumer Report, seventy
eight percent of people now say they prefer a natural look,
and ninety percent list quote unquote natural looking results as
the top factor in satisfaction. Okay, that's logical, it's and

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that's a real shift because we've moved from the instagram
phace era to one that celebrates subtlety and balance and authenticity.
But that kind of restraint requires both artistry and deep
clinical understanding, at least.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
In my opinion.

Speaker 8 (30:29):
Yeah, so I totally agree.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
So how do you.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Ensure your patients achieve those natural looking results and going
one step further, how do you help them maintain the
results long term without going overboard?

Speaker 8 (30:40):
Yeah? So I agree that the shift has been so obvious.
Like I've been injecting for ten years, and initially, I mean,
we had people coming and asking for results that I
just would deliver on them like I'm not you're gonna
look plastic or it's gonna look weird, and they're like,
that's what I want. I want that like, you know,
exaggerated look Like I don't. I don't think I'm the
injector for you. I always say, like, the best results

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are the ones that you can't really detect. You just
like look at them, You're like, wow, you look great.
You know, Like all the celebrity globes we see where
people are freaking out about them are always the ones
where no one can figure it out.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
They're like, did they get a facelift? Did they?

Speaker 8 (31:13):
You know? Is it really just that they're drinking lemon
water all of the oil?

Speaker 1 (31:18):
You know?

Speaker 8 (31:19):
So I just I think starting with a really great
consultation is important, like really understand what their goals are.
Creating a plan based on expertise and knowledge about either
facial aging or beautification and balance is key. And then
in order for them to maintain oh my gosh, I
tell them it's like getting a personal trainer. If I
was your personal trainer and you never went to the

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gym after that, you didn't eat healthy unless I was
there watching you eat. Like, you're not going to have
great results. So I'm going to do my best when
you're in office and when you're at home, I want
you have good skincare, good hydration, good wellness habits overall,
and those are the things that really keep their results lasting.
And saying natural looking.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
I love that philosophy, and it's never about just London water.

Speaker 8 (32:02):
I disagree, that's a lie.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Right, So your philosophy, I love it enhancement without erasure,
because you're showing patients that beauty can evolve gracefully when
guided by science and intention, and I think that's at
the core of it all. Now, let's turn to a
subject many still shy away from intimate wellness.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
So, despite how.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Common these concerns are, they're often just left out of
the wellness conversations. And research from the International Journal of
Women's Health shows that one in four women experience some
form of pelvic or vaginal pain, yet less than thirty
percent of us ever bring it up with our practitioners.
So intimate health is not just physical. I mean it's

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emotional and psychological, directly tied to confidence and self esteem.
And I love that you've made it part of your
care model. So, Tracy, what inspired you to create a
safe space for us gals in particular to explore and
prioritize our intimate health. And how do you see your
role in advancing this conversation openly and without shame?

Speaker 8 (33:02):
Oh my gosh, Well, this is a subject I'm very
passionate about. I mean, just like you said, so many
women have gone through changes that have affected the quality
of their intimate life, whether it's childbirth, hormones, aging, Like,
there's so much that goes into it, and there's so
many women more than sixty percent of women are suffering
with something, and I think the conversation is hard to

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bring up if you make it weird and awkward. I
think my role is to make it not weird. Like
I don't think it's weird. I think it's just normal.
I mean, we all go through something, and the intimate
health world is only going to stay taboo if we
keep being quiet about it. So I love to use
my social media platform to be a more open dialogue space.

(33:43):
We created a really intimate, private, discrete area to talk
about intimate health here it Rise, while also keeping it
very warm and open, so there's no shame, there's no embarrassment.
There's a lot of empowerment for that open dialogue. And
I think that once women realize that they're not alone,
because since they're not talking about it, a lot of
women don't know that this is happening to a lot

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of men, it's major. It just like kind of flips
that switch so that you know, I get to share
with them that there are real effective solutions to these things,
and it's incredibly freeing. It's definitely one of the most
rewarding parts of what I do.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Yeah, it's all about demystifying sexual stigmas surrounding female sexual wellness,
and there's a lot of stigmas, So it's a very
much needed perspective, and you're taking something often whispered about
and you're turning it into an empowering dialogue that validates
and uplifts us women. It's amazing what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
Thank you well, thank you now.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
One of the treatments you offer that's getting a lot
of attention and buzz currently right now is the CO
two Lift V. It's a non invasive vaginal rejuvenation option
that's clinically proven to enhance hydration, elasticity, and comfort for
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at the dermal level. So what they're doing is it's
clinically verified and clinically backed with actual visible improvements in
texture and tone after just three sessions. So it's a
fascinating blend of science and self care that's changing how
women approach intimate rejuvenation and you are one of their headliners.
So how do you integrate CO two Lift V into

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your intimate care protocols, whether as a standalone option or
paired with other treatments. I'd love to know, you know,
what results have you seen firsthand and what's the feedback?

Speaker 8 (35:37):
Well, I love this product. It is such a fun
addition for our patients. I think it's one of the
only products that I feel like people can get excited
about and not scared about because it's you know, it's
a painless option and you can do it at a home.
It's rejuvenating, and it just feels like a lot less
of a scary commitment. You know, people get afraid of

(35:57):
devices or afraid of injections, and then you have this
that's like here to help and it's not not invasive.
So I love it for that reason. It's a great
entry into intimate healthcare. Like you said, we see improved hydration,
improved comfort, the elasticity is so much better. People see
visible change, which is amazing. For cosmetic reasons, we definitely

(36:19):
use it as a standalone treatment if people want that,
we teach them how to use it in office, and
then they can do it at home, which is so nice.
I like that they're involved and connected with their care
and empowered to have a results driven you know, product
at home that they use, but we also do pair
it with some of our in house treatments and office treatments,
do it right after a treatment to help healing and

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just also boost the results of the treatment.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
That's remarkable, I mean, and the founder land Occur, She's
an incredible soul. And the idea that women can restore
function and comfort naturally without surgery or downtime is truly liberating.

Speaker 8 (36:54):
Oh totally. And you know it's about time. You know,
it's about time for so many things, and in women's
lives that we are like, you know, beauty is pain,
or you're going through something a childbirth and periods in menopause,
and it's like nice to have an intimate health option
that is truly just like kind to our bodies and
restorative and not scary.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Yeah, And with that, we are at the end of
our date. Tracy, It's been such a pleasure chatting with you.
I learned so much from you today And when I
come to Utah, I'm coming to visit you.

Speaker 8 (37:23):
Oh, I cannot wait.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
That was the incredible Tracy andreasen Board certified nurse practitioner
and founder of Rise Rejuvenation Center in Utah. You could
head directly to their website at Rise Rejuvenationcenter dot com
and you can follow them on the Gram at Rise
Rejuvenation Center and at Tracy Andreasen Underscore and p That
was our going Deep segment brought to you by Co

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Welcome back, beautiful Tri State area.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
You're listening to a Moment of Zen right here on
seven to ten WR the voice of New york iHeartRadio.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
I'm your host, Zenzams.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Today's conversation is part of our Clean Collective, brought to
you by Society Brands featuring Crunchy, and we're diving into
a topic that affects every woman listening, whether she realizes
it yet or not. Hormones under attack, the hidden toxins
in our beauty routines, and how to protect our families
without fear. Because when we talk about hormones, fertility, energy,

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mood and long term health, we often talk about food, stress,
and sleep. But what's frequently from that conversation is what
we're putting on our bodies every single day.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Today, we're joined by carl Hartwing.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
She's a holistic reproductive health practitioner, a certified fertility awareness educator,
Low Talks living expert, and self proclaimed Crunchy Mom. Carli
is passionate about empowering women to take control of their
health and lead their wellness journeys with confidence, one clean
swap at a time.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
She brings balance to the Low Talks Conversation.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Educating women and families on everything from environmental talks and
exposure to hormone health, fertility and long term well being. Carly,
welcome to the show, Superstar.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Okay, I want to start with your story because so
many women are living in bodies that feel off, but
they don't always have the language for it. And in fact,
when I was preparing for this segment, I came across
research that showed that nearly eighty percent of women report
hormone related symptoms at some point in their lives, things

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like irregular cycle and fatigue, and acne and anxiety, or
even fertility changes. And yet environmental exposure is rarely discussed
as a contributing factor in conventional health care.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
Now, you describe yourself as.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
A crunchy mama and low TALX educator, But this journey
started with your own health struggles, to my understanding, So.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
Can you get into that a little bit.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
What were the earliest signs that your hormones were out
of balance? And how did discovering the impact of everyday
products shift the way you viewed your health and body.

Speaker 12 (40:29):
I knew, I knew in my gut there was something
going on with my the RD. I was in my twenties,
I was healthy, I was exercising, I was eating well,
but I was gaining weight for no reason whatsoever. My
mood swings were like out of control. I mean, I
think back to my now husband. We had just started dating,
and it's like he was pretty amazing for sticking with

(40:51):
me through all of that. I had no energy, I
had no fatigue, and again I was young. There was
no reason for this, And so what did I do?
I went to my primary care physician.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
She ran a.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Little bit of blood work, but not much, you.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Know, just kind of scratched the surface. And what did
she do?

Speaker 12 (41:05):
She came back and told me that I was the
pillar of health, and I was like, okay, perhaps on paper,
but I'm telling you that I don't feel right. I
know in my bones that something is going on. So ultimately,
her resistance to continue kind of working with me to
figure out what was going on led me to get
a second opinion by a functional medicine practitioner and she

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was honestly the first one to introduce me to this
whole idea of environmental toxins. And so after starting to
work with her, I discovered that, sure enough, my hormones
were completely out of whack. My body wasn't producing progessterone.
She said that I had the hormone profile of a
postmenopausal woman and I was like wheys Wow, I had hypothyroidism,

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and the reason she figured that out is because she
ran a full thyroid panel, which my PCP wouldn't do,
and I was dealing with a lot of heavy metal
toxicity in my body. So she really was the bridge
for me to understand that the products I was putting
on my body and using in my home were impacting
my health.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Your story actually reflects what so many women out there
experience before they ever connect the dots, and that's that's
what we're going to unpack today. So when people think
about clean living, they usually focus on food, organic produce,
cutting out additives, reading nutrition labels.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
But here's what many don't realize.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
The skin is our largest organ and studies show that
chemicals from personal care products can be absorbed into the
bloodstream within minutes. And according to the CDC, thalates and
parabins are detectable in the vast majority of Americans, with
consistently higher levels found in women. So when we talk
about clean living, many people focus on what's going into

(42:46):
their body, but many of the biggest hormone disruptors are
actually in our bathrooms and makeup bags. So can you
explain how ingredients like thalates and parabins and synthetic fragrances
interfere with hormones and why women and developing children are
especially vulnerable.

Speaker 12 (43:03):
Yeah, absolutely so these chemicals that you just mentioned, so thalates, parabens,
they are endocrind disrupting chemicals right or EDCs, And these
chemicals are a very specific class of chemicals. They can
mimic our hormones, they can block production of hormones, they
can impact how our hormones are actually produced in our bodies.

(43:25):
And these are well studied right, Like, these are not
like wo woo things. Endocrind disrupting chemicals are very very
real and they have a lasting impact on our bodies. Now,
for us, as women, we have a more delicate balance
with our hormones, which is why we are extra vulnerable
to the effects of endocrendisrupting chemicals. When we think about
our cycles and our hormones kind of balance, right, we

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have estrogen that dominates the first half of our cycle,
progesterone that dominates the second half of our cycle. We
need things to kind of remain in that balance for
our fertility and our hormones to be optimal. So in
women and endocarndisrupting chemicals can impact our ovulation. There are
a lot of women out there who are not ovulating regularly.
And while we may think of our periods as like,

(44:09):
you know, the star of our hormones, it's actually ovulation.
Ovulation is essential for our health. So endocarndisrupting chemicals can
impact ovulation. It can impact our ovarian reserve, it can
increase our risk of miscarriage, it can make it more
difficult for us to get pregnant and to stay pregnant.
And then children, especially young children and children who are

(44:29):
going through puberty, are especially vulnerable because their brains, their organs,
their endocrine systems, everything is still developing. So when we
think about endocarndesstructing chemical exposure for kids, that can truly
impact their health, their reproductive organs, their fertility, really for
the rest of their life. And this is even true

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in babies. We have found hundreds of chemicals in cord blood,
which means that these babies are being exposed in utero.
And there are studies to show that baby boys who
are exposed to thalates through their mother right so their
mother is exposed through their skin. Things like that and there,
like you said, their makeup, their personal care products that
can actually impact baby boys future fertility while they're utero developing.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
So the toxic load is real. It is very real.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
And now we're also seeing concerning trends across generations. So
today one in six couples experience those fertility challenges, and
research suggests puberty is occurring earlier in girls than it
did just a few decades ago. And while there's no
single cause, experts increasingly point to chronic, low level chemical
exposure during critical developmental windows as a contributor. Now there's

(45:42):
growing concern around hormone disruption, look to fertility challenges and
every even precocious puberty. Writing children we just talked about,
So what role do those environmental toxins and low level
chemical exposures play in these trends, particularly for kids, and
what are some realistic steps families.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Can take to reduce that burden.

Speaker 12 (46:01):
Yeah, So I'm loving the data that we're starting to
see because I think that as a whole, our society
is starting to take this more seriously. And I think
when parents see their eight year old daughters get their periods,
they're like, Okay, something must be going on. So we
know again that endocinndisrupting chemicals, especially zeno estrogens, which are
a very specific subclass of chemicals that specifically impact our estrogen,

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which is obviously very important when we think about young
girls as they're starting their transition through puberty. So we
know that those endocarndisrupting chemicals can impact really like the
feedback loops that are kind of going on when we
think about puberty between our brain, our protuitary gland, our
reproductive organs. So these loops are being disrupted, which is
why a lot of young girls and young boys are

(46:45):
starting to go through puberty sooner, and this can have
lifelong consequences. We don't want our daughters to be getting
their periods at you know, seven and eight years old.
We also know that there's chemicals called forever chemicals or
prefast chemicals, which I'm sure people have heard about just
through like watching the news. They're kind of a buzzy
term right now.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
Those are a.

Speaker 12 (47:05):
Specific type of endocarndestructing chemical that are especially problematic because
they are persistent in our bodies, unlike other types of
chemicals that we can excrete through our waste. So those
can specifically impact hormone development, and those are also starting
to be linked to that precocious or early puberty. So
what I always talk about with families, especially with parents,

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because I know that this can be overwhelming. I want
to make it perfectly clear that we can never live
a completely toxin free life, not in this world, not
right now, where we're inundated with toxins from our soil,
our water, our air, our personal care products. What we
can do is take steps to reduce our toxic load,
to allow our wonderful, beautiful detox pathways in our body

(47:50):
to work right, to allow our bodies to sweat to
excrete chemicals through our waste. We have our liver, we
have our kidneys, We have things that work. The problem
is we are inundating our so they cannot detox these
chemicals and these toxins effectively. So every little step you
take to support your family and especially your kids, in
reducing their exposure to these chemicals is going to add up.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
In a big way.

Speaker 12 (48:13):
So we have a lot of young girls that are
trying to shop at Sephora and Alta and getting beauty
products that they should not be putting on their skin.
That's a big one. Another big one is deodorant. I
know a lot of times when kids are starting to
go through puberty, you know, the odor starts, and so
we give them an anti pursperant. That is one of
the worst things we can do for our kids. We
want our kids bodies to sweat. Sweat is a huge

(48:35):
part of our detox systems. So choosing a natural cleaner
deodorant instead of an anti persperant is a really easy one.
The way that we pack our kids lunches right instead
of packing them in plastic containers, switching your kids to
stainless steel containers or glass containers like those will help
a lot. And then being really really choosy about the

(48:56):
products that you bring into your home for cleaning, like
I said, for their bath and body products, like there
are so many clean options out there, and it's getting
easier and easier to find them.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Yeah, And you know what I appreciate here is that
this isn't about fear, right, It's about awareness. You're not
saying everything needs to change overnight. You're giving families agency
in a place to start right. And the term clean
isn't regulated these days, and that makes shopping incredibly confusing.
Words like natural, green and non toxic are often marketing terms,

(49:31):
not guarantees of safety and clean living can feel overwhelming,
right in a world where products are poorly labeled or unregulated.
So what should consumers look for beyond buzzwords when choosing skincare, makeup,
and household products.

Speaker 12 (49:44):
Ignore the front label and just turn it around and
look at the ingredients. Literally ignore the front. Like you said,
non toxic, clean green. What I see a lot lately
is plant based, especially in cleaning products. Like plant based
is not necessar ly mean that it's clean and non toxic, right,
dermatologists recommended or pediatrician recommended, those are big and like

(50:07):
the personal care world, you'll see that a lot of
times on baby products meaningless. That's completely meaningless, because I
can tell you right now the number one dermatologists recommend
and laundry detergent for babies is draft and not only
does it have irritating ingredients to their sensitive skin, but
it has undisclosed fragrance, which, if your listeners don't know,

(50:27):
undisclosed fragrance is one of the first things that you
should definitely start to try to avoid because there's something
called the fragrance loophole where companies can hide any combination
of thousands of ingredients under the term fragrance. Just reading
your labels for undisclosed fragrance can be.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
Really really huge.

Speaker 12 (50:43):
But ignoring all of those claims on the front because
exactly as you said, they are completely meaningless.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
And I saw on one of your blog posts that
you endorse the Crunchy collection.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Tell me how you came across Crunchy. I love, love,
love Crunchy.

Speaker 12 (50:58):
So it took me a long time to find makeup
and skincare that actually worked that was also clean, Like
I found a lot of duds and so a brand
that I was using actually shut down and I was like, Okay,
this is a great time for me to try Crunchy.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
It turns out I love Crunchy.

Speaker 12 (51:13):
I think their makeup is the best, the best non
toxic makeup I have ever explained. Yeah, I will never
be without my Crunchy products.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
I love it. I love it.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Well, we are at the end of this incredible session.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
You are filled with information.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
I'd love to have you back in the new year
and we can talk about clean living again. But your
voice is very powerful, Carly. I mean, you have a
community of women that love and follow you. You're a professional,
your mother, your wife, You're educated and I was honored
to have interviewed you today.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Thank you so much. That means the world.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
You can learn more from Carly Hartwig at Cleanlvingwcarli dot com.
You could follow her directly on the gram at Clean
Living with Carly, And if today's conversation inspired you to
take just one step towards cleaner living, remember small intentional changes.

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Add up in a very big way.

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